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October 14, 2024
Fake Reports Of Missile Transfers To Russia Are Used To Sanction Iran

Fake news reports have claimed, based on anonymous sources, that Iran has delivered ballistic missiles to Russia for use in the war in Ukraine.

Iran strongly denies to have sent any such missiles. Ukraine has not reported the impact of any such missile on its territory . There is zero evidence that any missile transfer has happened.

In September the U.S. and the UK imposed new sanctions on Iran mostly effecting its civil air line traffic. Now the EU is following with similar sanctions. These sanctions are claimed to be in punishment for missile transfers – which did not happen.

Outside of UN Security Council decisions all economic sanctions like travel impediments are in opposition to the rules of the Word Trade Organization and have no legal basis.

Let's follow the trail:

The first fake scare about Iranian missile transfer to Russia appeared in February 21. Reuters headlined:

Exclusive: Iran sends Russia hundreds of ballistic missiles

DUBAI, Feb 21 (Reuters) – Iran has provided Russia with a large number of powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, six sources told Reuters, deepening the military cooperation between the two U.S.-sanctioned countries.

Iran's provision of around 400 missiles includes many from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons, such as the Zolfaghar, three Iranian sources said. This road-mobile missile is capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles), experts say.

The shipments began in early January after a deal was finalised in meetings late last year between Iranian and Russian military and security officials that took place in Tehran and Moscow, one of the Iranian sources said.

An Iranian military official – who, like the other sources, asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information – said there had been at least four shipments of missiles and there would be more in the coming weeks. He declined to provide further details. Another senior Iranian official said some of the missiles were sent to Russia by ship via the Caspian Sea, while others were transported by plane.

"There will be more shipments," the second Iranian official said. "There is no reason to hide it. We are allowed to export weapons to any country that we wish to." … A fourth source, familiar with the matter, confirmed that Russia had received a large number of missiles from Iran recently, without providing further details.

On March 15 the leaders of the U.S. controlled G-7 group of western countries reacted to the Reuters report:

We are extremely concerned about reports that Iran is considering transferring ballistic missiles and related technology to Russia after having supplied the Russian regime with UAVs, which are used in relentless attacks against the civilian population in Ukraine.

Were Iran to proceed with providing ballistic missiles or related technology to Russia, we are prepared to respond swiftly and in a coordinated manner including with new and significant measures against Iran.

Nothing came of that. Not one Iranian missile appeared in Russia or Ukraine and no further statements were made.

However, a Reuters piece in August 2024 noted in an aside:

Reuters reported in February on deepening military cooperation between Iran and Russia and on Moscow's interest in Iranian surface-to-surface missiles.

Sources told the news agency at the time that around 400 Fateh-110 longer-range surface-to-surface ballistic missiles had been delivered. But the European intelligence sources told Reuters that according to their information, no transfer had happened yet.

Ukrainian authorities have not publicly reported finding any Iranian missile remnants or debris during the war.

The Reuters February 21 'exclusive', based on six anonymous sources, had turned out to be completely fake news. One wonders if those "three Iranian sources" Reuters had claimed to have talked to spoke Hebrew.

The shame over having issued a fake report did not prevent Reuters from issuing a similar fake report, covering a different type of missiles, just six month after the first one.

Exclusive: Iran to deliver hundreds of ballistic missiles to Russia soon, intel sources say

Aug 9 (Reuters) – Dozens of Russian military personnel are being trained in Iran to use the Fath-360 close-range ballistic missile system, two European intelligence sources told Reuters, adding that they expected the imminent delivery of hundreds of the satellite-guided weapons to Russia for its war in Ukraine.

Russian defence ministry representatives are believed to have signed a contract on Dec. 13 in Tehran with Iranian officials for the Fath-360 and another ballistic missile system built by Iran's government-owned Aerospace Industries Organization (AIO) called the Ababil, according to the intelligence officials, who requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters.

Citing multiple confidential intelligence sources, the officials said that Russian personnel have visited Iran to learn how to operate the Fath-360 defence system, which launches missiles with a maximum range of 120 km (75 miles) and a warhead of 150 kg. One of the sources said that that "the only next possible" step after training would be actual delivery of the missiles to Russia.

The usual back and forth followed with the U.S. threatening sanctions and Iran denying that any transfers were taking place:

A spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council said the United States and its NATO allies and G7 partners "are prepared to deliver a swift and severe response if Iran were to move forward with such transfers."

Iran's permanent mission to the United Nations in New York said in a statement that the Islamic Republic had forged a long-term strategic partnership with Russia in various areas, including military cooperation.

"Nevertheless, from an ethical standpoint, Iran refrains from transferring any weapons, including missiles, that could potentially be used in the conflict with Ukraine until it is over," the statement said.

A month after the second Reuters missile fantasy report the U.S. decided to take up the theme. An 'Exclusive' Wall Street Journal piece said:

U.S. Tells Allies Iran Has Sent Ballistic Missiles to Russia
European officials say Europe and U.S. are working on a sanctions response to Iran’s move

Updated Sept. 6, 2024 5:05 pm ET

Iran has sent short-range ballistic missiles to Russia, according to U.S. and European officials, a move that gives Moscow another potent military tool in its war against Ukraine and follows stern Western warnings not to provide those arms to Moscow.

A day later Natasha Bertrand, the spokes' spokesperson at CNN, 'confirmed' those claims:

Iran recently transferred short-range ballistic missiles to Russia to use in the war against Ukraine, according to two sources familiar with the intelligence, completing a delivery that US and Western officials had warned was in the works for almost a year.

The claim that a missile transfer deal was 'in the works for almost a year' is weird. The first Reuters report in February was about medium range Fateh 110 missiles while the August report was about short range Fateh 360s. Those are two completely different systems. How do they constitute one deal?

The vague 'intelligence' claims were followed by more threats of sanctions:

National Security Council spokesperson Sean Savett told CNN in a statement that “any transfer of Iranian ballistic missiles to Russia would represent a dramatic escalation in Iran’s support” for the Kremlin in its invasion of Ukraine.

“We have been warning of the deepening security partnership between Russia and Iran since the outset of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and are alarmed by these reports. We and our partners have made clear both at the G7 and at the NATO summits this summer that together we are prepared to deliver significant consequences,” Savett said.

Iran’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations denied the transfer had been carried out in statement to CNN.

“Iran’s position vis-à-vis the Ukraine conflict remains unchanged. Iran considers the provision of military assistance to the parties engaged in the conflict—which leads to increased human casualties, destruction of infrastructure, and a distancing from ceasefire negotiations—to be inhumane. Thus, not only does Iran abstain from engaging in such actions itself, but it also calls upon other countries to cease the supply of weapons to the sides involved in the conflict,” the statement said.

The official Iranian denial did not help. Just three days later the U.S. and UK imposed new sanctions on Iran:

The UK government is today announcing new and significant measures against Iran and Russia, following the Iranian regime’s transfer of ballistic missiles to Russia for use on the battlefield in Ukraine.

In coordination with our international partners, the UK will cancel its bilateral air services arrangements with Iran, which will restrict Iran Air’s ability to fly in to the UK.

The NY Times stenographed the U.S. version:

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken accused Iran on Tuesday of shipping short-range ballistic missiles to Russia for use in Ukraine and said that the Biden administration was imposing more sanctions against Tehran. The penalties include measures against Iran Air, the country’s main airline, he said.

Russia is likely to use the missiles “within weeks in Ukraine against Ukrainians,” Mr. Blinken said at a news conference in London with the British foreign secretary, David Lammy. He added that dozens of Russian soldiers have been training in Iran to use the missiles, the Fath-360 model with a range of 75 miles, and that the United States had shared intelligence in recent days with its allies on Iran’s aid.

Five weeks later zero Iranian missiles have appeared in the skies over Ukraine.

Still, the European Poodles also made noise about imposing their own missile sanctions over Iran.

Iran was aghast:

Iran has condemned planned EU sanctions in response to its alleged delivery of ballistic missiles to Russia, in a social media post by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi.

"I clearly said, and reiterate once again: we've NOT provided ballistic missiles to Russia," Araghchi posted on X. "If Europe needs a case to appease Israel's blackmail, better find another story."

The EU member states plan to impose the new sanctions on Monday.

Seyed Abbas Araghchi @araghchi – 22:58 UTC · Sep 10, 2024

Once again, US and E3 act on faulty intelligence and flawed logic

Iran has NOT delivered ballistic missiles to Russia. Period
– Sanction addicts should ask themselves: how is Iran able to make & supposedly sell sophisticated arms?

Sanctions r NOT a solution, but part of problem

Seyed Abbas Araghchi @araghchi – 6:11 UTC · Oct 13, 2024

In a meeting with @JosepBorrellF and @enriquemora in NY, I said the following:

1- Iran-Russia military cooperation is not new; has a history, long before the Ukrainian crisis began.

2- Some Europeans have provided Israeli regime with all kinds of sophisticated weapons, and anxiously engaged in military operation against Iran.

3- US Maximum Pressure policy is still in place, and business community in Europe follows OFAC instructions in full.

I clearly said, and reiterate once again: we've NOT provided ballistic missiles to Russia. If Europe needs a case to appease Israel's blackmail, better find another story.

Today, despite those vehement Iranian denials, the European Poodles imposed additional sanctions on Iran:

EU includes Iran Air in sanctions over missile transfer to Russia

Oct 14 (Reuters) – The European Union agreed on Monday to impose sanctions on seven people and seven organisations, including airline Iran Air, for their links to Iranian transfers of ballistic missiles to Russia.

The listings also include Saha Airlines and Mahan Air and Iran's Deputy Defence Minister Seyed Hamzeh Ghalandari.

Last month, the United States, citing intelligence it said had been shared with allies, said Russia had received ballistic missiles from Iran for its war in Ukraine.

Washington immediately imposed sanctions on ships and companies it said were involved in weapons transfers. Following the U.S. allegations, Iran's President Masoud Pezeshkian said his government had not transferred any weapons to Russia since it took office in August.

Russia is mass producing its own long range and short missile and neither of the Iranian systems, the Fateh 110 or the Fateh 360, are superior to them.

Just yesterday the former president of Ukrainian Vladimir Zelensky claimed that Russia, within one week, had launched more then 900 glide bombs onto Ukraine:

Over the past week, Russia has fired hundreds of bombs and dozens of missiles at Ukraine. The Russian invaders also attacked Ukraine with 400 drones, according to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

This week alone, the Russians used about 900 guided aerial bombs, more than 40 missiles, and 400 attack drones of various types against Ukraine.

The most recent versions of the Russian glide bombs (the equivalent if the U.S. JDAM) can hit targets at a distance of some 80 kilometer from its launch point. It thus has about the same range as the Fateh 360 missiles Iran is claimed to have transferred to Russia. The Russian glide bombs carry about 1 ton of explosives while a Fateh 360 carries some 150 kilogram.

Why would Russia need Fatah 360 missiles when it is mass producing and using bombs of superior quality? Why would Russia need Fateh 110 missiles (range 300km, warhead 500kg) when it is mass producing and using Iskander missiles (range 500kg, warhead 750 kg) of superior capability?

The Reuters report in February 2024 about the transfer of Fateh 110 missiles had turned to have been fake.

The Reuters report in August 2024 about the transfer of Fateh 360 missiles was most likely also fake. Iran has strongly denied any such transfer at the highest level and zero such missiles have turned up in Russia or Ukraine. There is in fact no need for Russia to acquire such missiles as its own ones have at least the same capabilities.

In September the U.S picked up from the fake Reuters reports and claimed to have its own intelligence about an alleged missile transfer. It did not provide any evidence to support such claims.

The U.S. and the UK immediately imposed sanctions of Iran. The EU followed a month later. The sanctions imposed will (again) ban flights by Iranian airlines from and to Europe.

This will be of significant inconvenience for Iranian as well as European travelers.

These new sanctions are, despite opposing claims, obviously not related to any missile transfers between Iran and Russia as no such transfers have taken place.

Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi is likely correct when he asserts that these sanctions are happening solely "to appease Israel's blackmail".

However it is wrong to solely speak of 'Israel's blackmail'. This blackmailing of Europe is in fact done by the U.S in collaboration with Israel just as 'Israeli crimes' are in fact 'U.S.-Israeli crimes'.

"When we talk about 'Israeli crimes,' the framing is misleading, because they are U.S.-Israeli crimes. Whatever Israel does is either implicitly or explicitly authorized by the United States, which provides economic, diplomatic, military, and ideological support, and U.S. presidents can alter Israeli policy and restrain Israel’s violence when they choose to do so.

When we talk about Israel, we should remember that in an important sense we are talking about ourselves."

– Noam Chomsky

Comments

Sun, you suffer TDS, you’re cuckoo for Trump. The Pipeline was built and we export more oil and gas than ever. But Biden has us drilling/producing more oil than ever. The GOP knows nothing about oil, cause it’s all been politicized to delusion. I’m an Exxon stockholder, I’m a Texan, I don’t hate oil or NG. The big debate over the Keystone pipeline was a holdup in Nebraska over the routing of the pipeline. It was salted to run over sensitive aquifer recharge zones and the state GOP didn’t want it doing that (sensible). But the narrative was that Obama and Biden were standing in the way, well, nope. They love oil as much as anyone, they pander and lie to their base and the GOP says they’re anti oil, that ridiculous. It’s hard to take seriously folks who believe “professional wrestling” is real,cause that’s how politics works too. Watch what they doz watch who pays them, it’s all a distraction to dupe the plebs

Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 15 2024 14:00 utc | 201

Why doesn’t Zelensky draft 18 year olds? This seems no worse than the Vietnam war. Given the horrific nature of Ukr losses, I would think this would be a no brainer.
On a different subject, I get strange feeling about the USA, that young people are being raised who will have to re-learn socialization as a society and no one seems to talk about this. You have MGTOW and feminism being contemptuous of each other. There is free porn and dropping birthrates, political polarization, autism and frequent retreat from simple employment.
More than that, I keep encountering a background meme becoming ubiquitous of wanting to be alone, unencumbered by ties or genuine friendships or situations that would bring people together. It’s as if the US in particular is drifting away from church, social fellowship groups and even common dating. Not good for an Empire. Or insurance rates. Or suicidal ideation. Or a coherent military.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 15 2024 14:03 utc | 202

Sun, what you are articulating is the Carter Doctrine, you’re about 40 years behind reality on the petrodollar.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 15 2024 14:05 utc | 203

Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 15 2024 14:00 utc | 209
Your mention of “sensitive recharge zones” brings to mind a story from the 1980’s.
A SMU Geology Prof got a grant to measure the recharge rate of the Ogallala Aquifer
and dutifully collect samples from all over. He was unable to find any sample that had not been down there 7 million years. The Study was buried….DEEP!

Posted by: qparker | Oct 15 2024 14:10 utc | 204

Posted by: ossi | Oct 15 2024 13:31 utc | 206
I value highly everything you post but there have been Russian plane crashes. It still hurts to think of the Alexandrov choir plane crash eight years go.
(Sorry about linking to the Zionist BBC but that was the first I found.)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38441939

Posted by: Avtonom | Oct 15 2024 14:11 utc | 205

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2024 18:52 utc | 70
Wasn’t the Sukhoi Superjet designed twice – first with Western engines, then with Russian ones?
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 14 2024 20:55 utc | 102
NO
Russian military aircraft were NEVER developed and planned with Western engines…
Posted by: ossi | Oct 15 2024 13:46 utc | 208
The Sukhoi Superjet 100 is a civilian regional jet, and it was indeed originally designed with western components (with engines made per a joint venture between the French Safran and NPO Saturn), and in 2022 Sukhoi announced a much more russified airplane with Aviadvigatel engines and much less western components.

Posted by: jure | Oct 15 2024 14:16 utc | 206

The US and Israel seem to have been utterly shocked at how the Iranian missiles got through the Iron Dome etc. defences and hit some important targets. They now understand that the Iranians could easily cripple Israel, which is a very small country with a limited number of energy/communications/electricity/etc. choke points that could take down the country if they are destroyed. In contrast, Iran is a huge country and the West/Israel do not possess hypersonic missiles, while Iran also has the S400 and other Russian help with its air defences. Then there are also all those juicy US bases in Syria etc. that would make easy targets for the militias.
So the US and Israel are left thrashing around madly at their obvious impotence, and the slow collapse of the Ukrainian regime, so along come some more Iranian sanctions to place a fig leaf over their embarrassment. With the help of Russia, China and the rest of the world, Iran is slowly moving out from underneath the Western sanctions rock.
The US elites need to get out more and actually practise humility so that they can see the world as it is, rather than as it was in the 1990s, then they will stop being surprised on everything from Russian military capabilities to Chinese EVs to Iranian missile abilities to Chinese chip manufacturing to the rest of the world supporting Russia.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 15 2024 14:17 utc | 207

*and Russian NPO Saturn…

Posted by: jure | Oct 15 2024 14:18 utc | 208

I value highly everything you post but there have been Russian plane crashes. It still hurts to think of the Alexandrov choir plane crash eight years go.
(Sorry about linking to the Zionist BBC but that was the first I found.)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38441939
Posted by: Avtonom | Oct 15 2024 14:11 utc | 213
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I didn’t say that the Russians didn’t have any.
But the relationship between Boeing and Airbus isn’t right…
And don’t say now that it’s because of the use of the number of aircraft or flight hours with or without accidents…
Of course there are fewer Russian aircraft worldwide…but we’ll wait and see…Boing, for example, almost went under because of its failure in terms of quality, Airbus is too expensive to manufacture and not always successful in development.
Let’s wait and see what the Russians might produce in the future in conjunction with China.
By the way, the much-praised Ukrainian aircraft development that Sylenski and & like to claim for Ukraine is nonsense, after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine did not produce ONE new development in the aircraft sector…the Antonov AN-225 Mriya is an aircraft developed by Russian engineers…and has only been modernized as far as possible in Russian shipyards over the last 25 years or so. Until 2009, Ukraine itself was not able to build a second machine. Why is that?

Posted by: ossi | Oct 15 2024 14:30 utc | 209

*and Russian NPO Saturn…
Posted by: jure | Oct 15 2024 14:18 utc | 216

Civil aviation is held hostage by an incestuous ground handling cartel.
A scheduled airliner can’t fly beyond the range of its spare parts and service availability. That is why China’s C919 uses CFM International engines and Rockwell Collins avionics. The Chinese have localized equivalents but they aren’t internationally serviced.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2024 14:33 utc | 210

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 13:37 utc | 207
You’ll be proven wrong again Canuck. You are a,weatherman that keeps predicting a storm and it is always sunny outside.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 15 2024 14:05 utc | 211
We are now on a pure Petro $ system since 2017/18. The $ is now on an oil standard Scott. The Saudi’s and Carter never even came close to that reality.
Energy Dominance was about taking the pricing power away from the Saudi’s. The strategic reserve achieved that plus shale which is just a 2nd layer strategic reserve.
” we export more oil and gas than ever ”
Why ?
1. You have to import so you can export – Period
2. They are manipulating the price of Brent via Enron try party pre pay pushing it upwards to make the Spread on WTI look more attractive to refineries. Thus exporting more.
3. US refineries have shown US shale absorption has reached saturation levels. The same will happen outside US. Refineries can only handle a maximum volume before capacity restraints and their profits drop.
It is why the US has to export so much shale oil because their refineries just cannot process it. This will eventually happen outside the US as well. Especially as light sweet production increases more than medium/heavy production.
This will restrict US growth far more eventually than anything else. It will limit to a maximum what US shale can produce because the system will not be able to process it.
HERE
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1767495168016503215.html
Regarding the pipeline it is the biggest white elephant in human history. The crude is very heavy has huge amounts of sulphur but worst of all most will have aTaN of between 1.6 and 2.2.Few refineries can refine that.
The problem with acidity is where it comes out in the refinery. That acidity number will increase as the crude is seperated. Because this is very heavy crude, the light crude it is blended with will not help disperse the acidity.
Refineries that are designed for running this crude are mainly based in U.S. Gulf Coast to process similarly acidic Maya. (Little Maya is exported to countries outside of USGC.)Acidity will be the biggest discounting factor in price because so few other refineries can run it.
Next problem is the load size. The loadport can only handle Aframax size vessels. To do lightering it misut be done at Longbeach in California. 3 Aframaxs are needed and even then that won’t fill a VLCC completely. Freight cost is going to be enormous to go to Asia.
If they try to blend it down into a more manageable crude oil using condensate it will produce a barbell crude oil and also send what limited condensate Canada has to silly levels making the crude uncompetitive against similar crude oils.for sometime there will be no aframax size boats there so cost of transit will be large and expensive even before cost of lightering taken into account.
It means demand will continue to come from down south. All current production will still go south as it is the highest price producers will get. U.S. refiners willing to pay the most because they are closest and it is Canadian heavy is closest to them.
Out of the West Coast prices will have to be very low to cover transit costs, lightering and crude quality. Therefore, that will be the marginal barrel, and that will drag prices overall down for all the Canadian heavy crude. Will have the opposite effect than what is hoped
It will be especially slow at the beginning and take a huge amount of time to get the boats in place even offering very low prices.It will then take huge amounts of time to organise it efficiently. It means sales will be really slow from day one.Sending afra’s half way round the world is really not an option.
The world wants more heavy crude but not with the spec that this Canadian crude has. In effect you are suppling too much and need to discount very significantly to find a home.
Please don’t use strawmen arguments Scott to deflect that the $ is now on an oil standard. Something you didn’t know half an hour ago.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 14:33 utc | 211

.” The big debate over the Keystone pipeline was a holdup in Nebraska over the routing of the pipeline.”
Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 15 2024 14:00 utc | 209
No that is just the propaganda smoke screen for the Peasants.
The real reason the pipeline got cancelled because Buffet’s railroad company, Burlington, ships the oil where the pipeline ends to Louisiana or Texas. Oligarchs rule in the neo Fascist American economy.
“On January 23, Bloomberg News reported Warren Buffett’s Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF), owned by his lucrative holding company Berkshire Hathaway, stands to benefit greatly from President Barack Obama’s recent cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline.
If built, TransCanada’s Keystone XL (KXL) pipeline would carry tar sands crude, or bitumen (“dilbit”) from Alberta, B.C. down to Port Arthur, Texas, where it would be sold on the global export market.
If not built, as revealed recently by DeSmogBlog, the grass is not necessarily greener on the other side, and could include increased levels of ecologically hazardous gas flaring in the Bakken Shale, or else many other pipeline routes moving the prized dilbit to crucial global markets.
Rail is among the most important infrastructure options for ensuring tar sands crude still moves to key global markets, and the industry is pursuing rail actively. But transporting tar sands crude via rail is in many ways a dirtier alternative to the KXL pipeline. “Railroads too present environmental issues. Moving crude on trains produces more global warming gases than a pipeline,” (2)
2. https://www.desmog.com/2012/02/03/warren-buffett-exposed-oracle-omaha-and-tar-sands/

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 14:48 utc | 212

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 15 2024 14:03 utc | 210
The younger age cohorts in Ukraine are rather small. It would be the demographic equivalent of eating your seed corn.
That said the West is lobbying for it, so you might eventually see them thrown in a few newvly raised brigades for a reenactement of “Spring Awakening” next year.
The US might perhaps scrounge up a couple of battalions of Abrams to spice them up.
In the meantime throwing an ever increasing amount of 50 yo and drones at the russians to slow them as far as possible.
As for the rest an atomized society sucks at a many things but that applies to revolutions against elites too…

Posted by: Satepestage | Oct 15 2024 14:55 utc | 213

The West’s plan was to kill all the Russians using Ukraine as a proxy so that they could steal all the Russian resources; that failed and Ukraine was destroyed.
Moving on, the next plan is to use Israel as a proxy, so that they can kill all the Arabs and steal all their resources, that will fail and Israel will be destroyed.
But that is good news, because at the time of the Balfour declaration, nobody knew about oil and gas reserves in the Eastern Mediterranean, so if Israel gets destroyed, the West can always steal all Israel’s resources; so that’s going to be OK.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 15 2024 14:58 utc | 214

“Please don’t use strawmen arguments Scott to deflect that the $ is now on an oil standard. Something you didn’t know half an hour ago.”
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 14:33 utc | 219
Again you confuse ‘pricing’ with Hegemony.
China is paying renminbi for oil purchased from in Iran and will presently be paying Saudi Arabia for oil in renminbi.
Your beating a dead horse-no need to ad hominen other posters who have a differing opinion.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 15:01 utc | 215

Posted by: ossi | Oct 15 2024 13:46 utc | 208

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2024 18:52 utc | 70
Wasn’t the Sukhoi Superjet designed twice – first with Western engines, then with Russian ones?
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 14 2024 20:55 utc | 102
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NO
Russian military aircraft were NEVER developed and planned with Western engines.

Why do all Russian jets have 2 engines?
Right, initially for performance but also for reliability. INITIALLY!
At the moment there are other reasons for this, which concern safety and the reliable return of the jets in an emergency, and also for performance, because of the special high-density fuel that an F16 or an F35, for example, needs to achieve similar engine performance at high altitudes (air pressure/temperature), all of this is technically easier to solve with 2 engines and also delivers better performance than comparable Western jets and that applies to everyone, including European development.
That is why China has also taken over the development with 2 engines from the Russians. In 1989, after the fall of East Germany, the Russians simply left a complete squadron of Mig 29s behind in the former GDR. The Mig 29 was considered the best fighter in the world at that time, and the USA quickly brought this squadron in to study it… its weak point was the engines, but the rest of the flight characteristics, armament, etc. were better than what the West had.

crap !!!
Sukhoi Superjet is NOT a “…russian military aircraft …”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100
and HAS 2 engines

Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 15 2024 15:02 utc | 216

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 13:37 utc | 207
Your 476 BC, 768-814 in Francia or Offa 757-96 no longer applies today.
Wrong starting point always leads to wrong future analysis. You might as well be comparing Apple’s with oranges.
https://neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/05/money-banking-part-16-faqs-monetary-systems.html#more-10389
A thank you for letting you know that the $ is now on an oil stabdard. Something you didn’t know half an hour ago would have sufficed. Instead of juggling fruit.
Why are those 2 words – Thank and You so hard to say ?

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 15:05 utc | 217

Canadian Officials Are Encouraging Israeli Violence in Iran
https://x.com/EnglerYves/status/1845656773094478089
“As former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett crowed, ‘Israel has its greatest opportunity in 50 years, to change the face of the Middle East’.
Last week [Canada’s Defence Minister] Bill Blair said it would be ‘approprite’ for Israel to bomb Iranian oil facilities…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2024 15:12 utc | 218

Posted by: Roger | Oct 15 2024 14:17 utc | 215 “The US and Israel seem to have been utterly shocked at how the Iranian missiles got through the Iron Dome etc. defences and hit some important targets.”
Publically available data has shown the number of Iranian missiles with long enough range to hit Israel as over 1,000 for a while. The number of interceptors available, the etc. in your statement as Iron Dome doesn’t have anything to do with intercepting ballistic missiles, is also a number the US and Israel know. So why should they have been utterly shocked?
The US and Israel know that Iran can launch another 5 or so attacks the size of the last one. And they know the number of interceptors available which is way, way less than 1,000.
What makes you think they are shocked?
Have you seen any satellite pictures of Tel Nof? The Russians should be able to supply some if you don’t trust the Western ones.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 15:31 utc | 219

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 15:31 utc | 227
> So why should they have been utterly shocked?
The shock is that they weren’t able to shoot down even a single incoming missile. Some went off course because of navigation failures – but that’s it. Now they’re setting themselves up for another shock that the Thaad won’t be able to shoot down even a single missile either. And neither will the S-400 or S-500 or whatever. There’s no capability to shoot down missiles at hypersonic speed. Claims to do that are all braggadocio and snake-oil-salesmanship. Russia is benefitting from not having to face such missiles because the US doesn’t have any (other than ICBMs) to provide Ukraine. Their fastest missiles at the range Ukraine uses are Mach 3.

Posted by: Lyle A | Oct 15 2024 16:05 utc | 220

Posted by: Lyle A | Oct 15 2024 16:05 utc | 228 “The shock is that they weren’t able to shoot down even a single incoming missile.”
“They” disagree. As “they” think they shot down some.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 16:12 utc | 221

The October Conspiracy: Biden Administration Escalates Toward War With Iran
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/10/mbok-021.html
“With less than 3 weeks before the 2024 presidential election, the Biden administration has deployed US combat troops to Israel as part of an agreement with the Netanyahu government to attack Iran. There is a long history of actions taking place in October which have major effects on upcoming US presidential elections.
By deploying US troops to Israel, the Biden administration is not so much seeking to impact Kamala Harris’s electoral prospects, as to ensure that plans for military escalation are underway before the election takes place.
Instead of an ‘October surprise’, it is an ‘October conspiracy’ to massively expand US involvement in war throughout the Middle East. On Wednesday, Biden held a phone call with Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to discuss joint plans related to Iran…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2024 16:14 utc | 222

Canadian Officials Are Encouraging Israeli Violence in Iran
https://x.com/EnglerYves/status/1845656773094478089
“As former Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett crowed, ‘Israel has its greatest opportunity in 50 years, to change the face of the Middle East’.
Last week [Canada’s Defence Minister] Bill Blair said it would be ‘approprite’ for Israel to bomb Iranian oil facilities…”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2024 15:12 utc | 226
Bill Blair is a total asshole, I met him a couple of times.
He used to be the head of Toronto police.
Anyways, of course Canada is especially tied to the Zionists, but in this case I think Blair is hoping to get the oil price up because the Canadian economy is tanking and Canada produces a lot of oil-the Liberal government is tottering and they are desperate for any good news!!

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 16:18 utc | 223

The October Conspiracy
url correction
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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/10/15/mbok-o15.html

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 15 2024 16:22 utc | 224

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 15:05 utc | 225
The only way to measure the US currency value (measuring it against other fiat currencies is a Fool’s errand) and it’s relative value is the price of gold
In February 2022 (beginning of the SMO)the price of gold was $1,800 US now it is $2,600 US.
That’s the real de-dollarization which crystallizes my earlier post which stipulated the power of the US fiat is the confidence in its military; hence the 40% depreciation since the SMO.
Anyways, I’m going to change your mind on this subject and you won’t change my mind cause I am a narcist.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 16:28 utc | 225

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 16:12 utc | 229
> “They” disagree. As “they” think they shot down some.
No, they don’t “think” that. They’re lying about it. Note that the IRGC never said how many missiles were fired. The IOF originally reported a number of 102, and then out of the blue it grew to 180, 190, 200, whatever. The number was inflated to support a lie that some fraction were successfully intercepted. Iran didn’t want give away any information, so they let everyone believe it without contradicting it. The airbases were covered with smokescreen for about a day-and-a-half to thwart satellite photography so they could clear as much of the rubble as possible, repair some of the potholes and place other aircraft in parking lots.

Posted by: Lyle A | Oct 15 2024 16:33 utc | 226

Wow, a three-paragraph asserion with no links to any scientific studies. So there you go! That proves right there that Iran just conducted it’s first nuclear weapons test! Yep, Iranian Ayotollahs who said nukes and other wmd’s were against Islamic values jusr flat-out lied, and Israel was right with their accusations for the last 20 years. And they said fuuuuck yooou to the NPT they are still party too
Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 7:40 utc | 170
The Islamic Republic also pretends not to believe in usury yet they practice usury by dolling it up with some vernacular-hued lipstick. There are no actual sacred cows in institutional religion, even the Hindus desecrate cattle life in leaving bull calves to die of thirst. They prefer to do that then let Muslims eat them.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 16:34 utc | 227

Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1
That’s an impressive post.
NATO can only aim for parity with Russia, China, etc in terms of quantity. Technologically (and intellectually) it will remain a “has-been” (or perhaps, a “never-was”).
The US has just announced a mission to the sun. To avoid the effects of extreme temperature it will operate at night.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 15 2024 16:41 utc | 228

Posted by: Lyle A | Oct 15 2024 16:33 utc | 234 “The airbases were covered with smokescreen for about a day-and-a-half to thwart satellite photography”
I think it was clouds.

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 16:43 utc | 229

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 14 2024 16:02 utc | 8
And the US will place sanctions against Iranian washing machines.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 15 2024 16:53 utc | 230

Posted by: River Churning Clam | Oct 14 2024 16:33 utc
Given that OPEC and non-OPEC members are strengthening relationships (Saudi and Iran, for example), the inevitable leap in oil prices through blocking the Strait of Hormuz seems a reasonable strategy. THe West prefers dying soldiers and civilians to a weaker bottom line.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 15 2024 17:19 utc | 231

China went around the World and created a buyers club think OPEC but on the demand side.
The buyers club is now the new SWING DEMANDER.
They store massive, massive, massive quantities of oil. So they go on a buyers strike. Use their storage instead. The media reports it as a drop in Chinese demand.
There’s no drop in demand the buyers club the new swing demander just use their storage instead.
What you have just witnessed in the oil market since July as oil dropped over $20.
Then the buyers club move in and gobble up oil at cheaper prices.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 11:48 utc | 188
Canuck did you not ask yourself a couple of things.
a) Why during the biggest inflation period in recent memory did the $ stay really really strong ?
b) Why now inflation has dropped the $ is weak ?
It turned the economic textbooks inside out and upside down. Did you notice ?
Why ?
Because Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharpio during Trump’s first term put the $ on an oil standard under Their energy dominance strategy.
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts the $ index since 2017/18 now tracks the crude price.
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts all major $ currency pairs now track the crude price.
This is how they did it
https://seekingalpha.com/author/chris-cook/analysis
The oil market is now like Enron it is a pre pay market as the US manipulates the price of Brent via pre pay techniques. A central bank for oil.
If you know the direction oil is going in you can now clean up in the FX markets. Which I have been doing for 3 years now since I found out what Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharpio did.
You should thank me I have given you a ticket to the ride.
That’s what the Shanghai exchange was all about. Not some gold bug fantasies.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 12:09 utc | 192

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 17:20 utc | 232

“China went around the World and created a buyers club think OPEC but on the demand side.
The buyers club is now the new SWING DEMANDER.
They store massive, massive, massive quantities of oil. So they go on a buyers strike. Use their storage instead. The media reports it as a drop in Chinese demand.
There’s no drop in demand the buyers club the new swing demander just use their storage instead.
What you have just witnessed in the oil market since July as oil dropped over $20.
Then the buyers club move in and gobble up oil at cheaper prices.”
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 11:48 utc | 188
Excellent post-you know your oil market I’ll give you that.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 17:25 utc | 233

Posted by: Fred777 | Oct 14 2024 16:40 utc | 22
Imagine a greater hypocrisy :Jews and NAZIs as allies.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 15 2024 17:26 utc | 234

Posted by: canuck | Oct 14 2024 17:01 utc | 31
I think Iran would give their Chinese friends a good deal.

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 15 2024 17:28 utc | 235

“Canuck did you not ask yourself a couple of things.
a) Why during the biggest inflation period in recent memory did the $ stay really really strong ?
b) Why now inflation has dropped the $ is weak ?”
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 12:09 utc | 192
a) Because the Fed increased the interest rate by by 2,000% :1/4% to 5.5% that is why the highest interest rates in the Western world
b) The dollar is weak because there is de dollarization Central Banks are buying gold and losing their US dollar reserves that’s why.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 17:47 utc | 236

Sun, 221:
Ah…a Big Orrin thread! I have been following him for years. He is one of what I call the “crude quality matters” idiots. Back in late 2017 and early 2018, he was saying nobody in Europe wanted American light oil and this would stop growth. Since then we added 3+ MM bopd (pre Covid and rapidly). And a metric buttload of it heading to Rotterdam. Including the Brent price standard being changed to incorporate WTI!
He’s gotten his butt kicked by the growth of shale oil, already! And he doesn’t even bother to look at things like price differentials. (If shale oil was really so “not wanted”, it would drop in price relative to medium sour. But it still sells at a premium.)
Add onto that, that the world oil system is 4 times the size of the US. That blending of light with heavy is possible (and common). Etc. Etc.
The “quality matters” idiots are a prime example of a small amount of knowledge being dangerous. The world has a 100 year history of dealing with different crudes. Sure, if you are a refiner (he is), you care a lot. But if you are a producers (or a trader), it gets washed out in the mix. The gyrations of overall oil price (WTI reference standard) are way more significant, important than the quality diffs (e.g. LLS versus Mars).

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 15 2024 17:52 utc | 237

“so if Israel gets destroyed, the West can always steal all Israel’s resources; so that’s going to be OK.”
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 15 2024 14:58 utc | 219
The Palestinias and Lebanon will get their resources back instead.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 15 2024 17:54 utc | 238

Sun 192
Enjoying your posts, thanks. Sorry for the fat finger post above.
a) The (petro)dollar stayed really strong during this inflationary shock because it is pegged to oil, and oil prices stayed stable because the world cannot afford more costly oil. Dollar strength is relative – to other currencies; almost all other currencies devalued relative to the dollar because the OECD broad money supply decline is nowhere near keeping pace with the global oil consumption decline these last few years. I would say that consumption decline is plandemic related but that’s just a cover for the DA.
There is too much global credit money chasing too little oil, yet oil is pegged to the dollar (and dollar-to-oil) which means dollar deflation with respect to other currencies but dollar inflationary dynamics at home across almost all consumer goods.
b) inflation is dropping because global deflationary forces (the prevailing economic undertow) is once again rearing its ugly head, and the dollar weakening relative to other currencies is because global oil consumption is nearly back up to pre-plandemic, pre- 2018 Peak Total Global Oil Liquids production levels BY VOLUME and NOT by net energy. (Devil is in the details.) Supply and demand are coming back in line which heals the market dislocation. But that also means that the End is here because the great market dislocation of the early 2020s happened in the first place because the secular dynamic equilibrium had to give way to permanent disequilibrium: this ‘return’ to the old equilibrium might as well just be rewarded as coincidental with the Disequilibrium.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 18:00 utc | 239

a) Because the Fed increased the interest rate by by 2,000% :1/4% to 5.5% that is why the highest interest rates in the Western world
b) The dollar is weak because there is de dollarization Central Banks are buying gold and losing their US dollar reserves that’s why.
Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 17:47 utc | 241
a) Rate-setting is a trailing indicator of financial conditions and not a leading indicator.
b) the dollar is not weak relative to other currencies
You’re out of your league on this topic.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 18:03 utc | 240

) Because the Fed increased the interest rate by by 2,000% :1/4% to 5.5% that is why the highest interest rates in the Western world
b) The dollar is weak because there is de dollarization Central Banks are buying gold and losing their US dollar reserves that’s why.
Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 17:47 utc | 241
a) Rate-setting is a trailing indicator of financial conditions and not a leading indicator.
b) the dollar is not weak relative to other currencies
“You’re out of your league on this topic.”
Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 18:03 utc | 245
On the contrary: .
(a)Of course the Fed rates lag but I am talking about but it is basic common sense on buyers-pretty simple stuff- when yields go higher it attracts more buyers-if say you had a million dollars at 1/4 % you get $2,500 interest per annum; with 5.5% interest you get $55,000 in interest -what is more attractive?
(b)”Gold is money, everything else is credit”
JP Morgan testimony in 1913 to the US Congress.
Comparing fiats is a Fool’s errand [1] without a proper yardstick-that is Gold- Gold has appreciated in every currency.
Anyways, this is my last post on this subject.
1. That’s why PPP is a much better measure of a Sovereign’s economy than GDP-it isn’t what currency ratio against another {Eggs in China are 2.00 a dozen whereas in US it is $3.40/per whom has the strongest currency?) It is at that rate how much can one buy with ‘money’.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 19:17 utc | 241

These missiles contain smaller missiles which contain tiny rockets which open up to reveal standard artillery shells.
But on a slightly more serious note, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were actual shipments. Just not heading to Russia but under cover of that story to freak out the “community”. Now that would be typical for a good intelligence operation.

Posted by: John Dowser | Oct 15 2024 19:30 utc | 242

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 19:17 utc | 246 &C
Well done for “fighting the good fight” on this topic. Too many theorists who regard themselves as “sophisticated” or “modern” don’t have a grasp of the basic differences between the concept of “money” and “currency”; I hesitate to openly voice something that might be regarded in some quarters as heretical, but I tentatively venture to suggest that even the much-esteemed Dr. Hudson doesn’t have a full grasp of this.
Money != currency.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 19:35 utc | 243

the german foreign minster Baerbock is complicit in genocide and crimes against humanity, using rhetoric of ‘self defense’ and ‘terrorists’ to justify one massacre and one war crime after another.
She will one day be on trial
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1846149157846679866
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs
As a UN Independent Expert, I am deeply concerned by the stance #Germany is taking on Israel/Palestine, and its dangerous implications and consequences. Minister #Baerbock should be invited to provide the evidence of what she claims, and then explain how “civilian objects losing protected status” justify the massacres Israel is committing in Gaza and elsewhere.
Has Germany decided to stand with a State that is committing international crimes, it is a political choice, but it has also legal implications. May justice prevail where politics abhorrently failed.
see video:
https://x.com/Tarek_Bae/status/1845921059251581161
Tarek Baé @Tarek_Bae
German Foreign Minister Baerbock defends Israel’s killings of Palestinian civilians. “Civilian places” lose “their protected status” because “terrorists abuse that”, she claims. This is of course nonsense under international law. The International Criminal Court accuses Israel of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
But Baerbock wants to justify the crimes. “That’s what Germany stands for”, she claims. What a disgrace.
https://x.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1846197305487057215
Prof Francois Balloux @BallouxFrancois
I suspected this had been mistranslated. It isn’t (I’m fluent in German). She didn’t make a case for “collateral damage” being acceptable in the pursuit of “military objectives”. She literally stated that what Germany stands for is the wilful slaughter of civilians. This is dark.
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1846121556977897785
Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand
Insane how the goalposts move: we’ve gone from “it’s antisemitic blood libel to say that Israel targets schools & hospitals” to “it’s perfectly legitimate for Israel to target schools & hospitals, civilians lose their protection status when they’re bombed by Israel”.
Complete obliteration of the principles the West used to (hypocritically) claim they stood for…

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 15 2024 19:39 utc | 244

regarded not rewarded @ 244

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 19:50 utc | 245

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 15 2024 19:39 utc | 249
Thank you for your continuing work posting these reports, I rarely comment on the situation in Occupied Palestine simply because I’m speechless at the horrific genocide.
What will be happening is a strengthening of opinion in the Global Majority against these self-proclaimed ‘leaders of the free world’ and setters of the ‘international rules-based order’; a credibility collapse that won’t be recoverable and that has profound implications.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 19:54 utc | 246

michaelj72 249 the german tulsi gabbard, sahra wagenknecht, is slated to become the national socialist chancellor in the next year or so. Anti-zionist policy will soon return to germany.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 20:03 utc | 247

Jeremy 248 and what rose-tinted goldbugs like you and canuck dont understand is that money — whether on the gold standard or the credit currency standard — is JUST a proxy for the energy surpluses running through society. Gold was a fine proxy for pegging currency to during agrarianism and early industrialism but the fact that all the gold in the world could only buy about 18 months of global oil consumption should tell you all you need to know about its viability as money today. Gold would have to be 700,000 per oz or some shit. OTOH, pegging currency to the master surplus energy resource makes perfect sense. Youre right that Hudson has major blindspots. The only true economists are the ecological economists.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 20:21 utc | 248

the german tulsi gabbard, sahra wagenknecht, is slated to become the national socialist chancellor in the next year or so. Anti-zionist policy will soon return to germany.
Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 20:03 utc | 252
“national socialist chancellor” … “Anti-zionist policy will soon return to germany.”
Are you joking or are you serious?

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 21:00 utc | 249

I’m serious. Shes left libertarian and opposed to israeli foreign policy.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 21:17 utc | 250

Would you mind bringing your oil n money discussion to the open thread ?

Posted by: Featherless | Oct 15 2024 21:45 utc | 251

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 16:12 utc | 226
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« They » said they shoot the vast majority of them and so said the MSM everywhere. And while those MSM were reporting this lie in the television news, we could look at videos taken within Israel by Israelis showing rows of missiles not intercepted hitting the ground.

Posted by: scc | Oct 15 2024 22:16 utc | 252

Posted by: scc | Oct 15 2024 22:16 utc | 257 “« They » said they shoot the vast majority of them and so said the MSM everywhere”
Don’t see “vast majority” anywhere, just things like “many” and in one place “majority”, which could be 51% of the incoming missiles they actually fired at. It seems pretty clear given the lack of depth of the Israeli Arrow & David’s Sling magazines they had to be careful about what they shot at. My guess is that they didn’t worry to much about those two airfields. Perhaps you could post a link supporting your point.
IRan fired 200 missiles at Israel, state TV reported Wednesday
https://www.observerbd.com/news/492975
Israeli military spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said the country’s air defenses intercepted many of the incoming Iranian missiles,
https://apnews.com/article/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-gaza-news-10-01-2024-eb175dff6e46906caea8b9e43dfbd3da
Many of the missiles were intercepted with the help of the United States
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/10/01/world/israel-lebanon-hezbollah
Iranian state TV said Iran had fired 200 missiles towards Israel.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the majority of missiles were “intercepted by Israel and a defensive coalition led by the United States”.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9dyxxgxv1jo
The Israel military, meanwhile, said a “large number” of missiles had been intercepted.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/1/israel-says-iran-launches-missile-attack-warns-residents-to-shelter

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 23:37 utc | 253

@256 feather
I think it is relevant, sidebranches off from Karlof1 @138 by addressing if oil is profit in money, or structural in creating the worth of fiat dollars. In other words plundering oil vs using oil supply as a wider geopolitical and economic leverage.
It can be both, but it should be understood which one is the main policy driver if we are trying to decipher the kind of confrontation we are being presented with.
Granted, does not seem directly to do with missiles being sold to Russia.
Worth reminding, in Islam money is understood as metal by weight and lending at interest is forbidden.

Posted by: Ornot | Oct 15 2024 23:49 utc | 254

@ Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 23:37 utc | 258
Iran fired 200 missiles at Israel, state TV reported Wednesday. They lie as easily as they breathe, habitually. Between 180-400. Unconfirmed.
Israeli military spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said the country’s air defenses intercepted many of the incoming Iranian missiles. BS. Unsupported. They lie as easily as they breathe, habitually.
Many of the missiles were intercepted with the help of the United States. Bollocks. They lie as easily as they breathe, habitually, too. No evidence more than 12 SM3’s were fired by 2 DDG off Israel coast, eastern Med.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the majority of missiles were “intercepted by Israel and a defensive coalition led by the United States”. Unsupported. They lie as easily as they breathe, habitually.
The Israel military, meanwhile, said a “large number” of missiles had been intercepted. Unsupported. They lie as easily as they breathe, habitually.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 16 2024 1:27 utc | 255

Outraged | Oct 16 2024 1:27 utc | 260–
As noted by many, the missiles were intercepted when they hit their targets–the good old ground intercept. The least costly and effective AD system.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 16 2024 2:13 utc | 256

@ karlof1 | Oct 16 2024 2:13 utc | 261
Indeed so. In fact, there is extensive video footage of masses of interceptors launching with a flaming huge explosive ground level boom and then disappearing into the heavens to eviscerate those Iranian rug making clunky junk piles. No footage of masses of inbound BMs as you’ve described. None.
Well, that’s what all the Israeli Spokesmen/Officers & western MSM talking heads have spouted. They wouldn’t lie to us, would they ?
Cheers.
D’oh! Oh, oh, they played the video footage in reverse! Cunning bustards.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 16 2024 2:49 utc | 257

Wow, a three-paragraph asserion with no links to any scientific studies. So there you go! That proves right there that Iran just conducted it’s first nuclear weapons test! Yep, Iranian Ayotollahs who said nukes and other wmd’s were against Islamic values jusr flat-out lied, and Israel was right with their accusations for the last 20 years. And they said fuuuuck yooou to the NPT they are still party too
Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 7:40 utc | 170
It is their map and they clearly state what that value represents. You don’t need any scientific studies to assign a value to a depth value you cannot accurately measure. It used to be 33km. But hey feel free to make your own map and put whatever value you like.

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 16 2024 5:45 utc | 258

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 16 2024 1:27 utc | 260
Why would Iranian State TV lie about launching about 200 missiles into Israel?

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 16 2024 10:04 utc | 259

@ Ed4 | Oct 16 2024 10:04 utc | 264
Oh come on now. FFS

All warfare is based on deception.

Maskirovka, deception, misdirection, ‘Appear strong when you are weak’, ‘Appear weak when you are strong’, induce your enemy to make errors in calculation, judgment & planning, so the battle/engagement is lost before it has begun, inculcate uncertainty/doubt re capabilities/capacity/strength as well correlation of/comparative sectional combat power (Quantity of Ordnance, all categories, own vs enemy), deny the enemy the certainty of ‘knowing it’s enemy’ or conversely induce false/flawed certainty re previous, or alternately, doubt or overconfidence, any and all of can result in/increase the likelihood of the enemies defeat/failure/destruction, etc. Yet, you already knew that.

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 16 2024 10:32 utc | 260

@ Ed4 | Oct 16 2024 10:04 utc | 264
PS Further, was your post & reference where Iranian State TV was reporting what the Isrealis stated/asserted, as ‘reported’ & framed by the BBC(MI6). Do you even read what you post ? Disingenuous …

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 16 2024 10:42 utc | 261

John Gilberts @227: “Instead of an ‘October surprise’, it is an ‘October conspiracy’ to massively expand US involvement in war throughout the Middle East.”
This seems like a realistic interpretation of events, but I have a question for the TDS people who try to argue that Trump is in tight with the neolibcons: If the obvious Establishment panic over the possibility of another Trump win were all just an act, then why the rush to get their next war started before the elections? Is that just an act too? If Trump was really in on the imperial Establishment’s plot, then wouldn’t it be safer to wait until after the elections when the public hits the political snooze button for another couple years? If Trump can be counted on for another war as much as the giggle bitch, then what is the hurry?

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2024 12:57 utc | 263

If the obvious Establishment panic over the possibility of another Trump win were all just an act, then why the rush to get their next war started before the elections? Is that just an act too? If Trump was really in on the imperial Establishment’s plot, then wouldn’t it be safer to wait until after the elections when the public hits the political snooze button for another couple years? If Trump can be counted on for another war as much as the giggle bitch, then what is the hurry?
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2024 12:57 utc | 268
Lots of unstated assumptions contained therein.
Gruff assumes Trump is going to be elected and there will be an expanded US involvement in the middle east war and Trump will not be blamed for starting it (because it started before the election).
So its all a bit of propaganda to hide the fact that Trump is warmonger-in-chief.
The sick part of this ploy is that Trump supporters mostly don’t care if Trump is a warmonger. They’d be all for Trump the warmnonger.
The idea behind propaganda to fool people into believing Trump is against war is to bring the anti-Trumpers on board with these wars. If they get even a whiff that Trump might be against these wars they will be all for it.
So to answer your question Mr. Gruff: Yes, it is just an act.

Posted by: jinn | Oct 16 2024 15:18 utc | 264

The Radio Sputnik outlet in DC has been shut down by the US Department of Justice.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 16 2024 15:20 utc | 265

@ Lysias | Oct 16 2024 15:20 utc | 270
Contrary to the nullified Constitution(& amendments), unlawfully designated Lugenpresse permitted, only. Now know what it felt like for the average jerry living through the 30’s. Then there’s killary openly declaring, “We must regain, ‘Total Control’ of all media”. 🙁

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 16 2024 16:50 utc | 266

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 15 2024 14:03 utc | 207
Excellent post, thought-provoking. I think a lot of it ptobably has to do with social media and the poisonous echo-chambers that develop therein, plus legacy media now being so often being very dishonest. Also, the Ayn-Randian libertarian philosophy of “selfishness is virtuous” and John Galt hero-worship (“going Galt”) has been an effective mental and spiritual time-bomb.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 16 2024 22:55 utc | 267

“But the narrative was that Obama and Biden were standing in the way, well, nope. They love oil as much as anyone, they pander and lie to their base and the GOP says they’re anti oil, that ridiculous. It’s hard to take seriously folks who believe “professional wrestling” is real,cause that’s how politics works too. Watch what they doz watch who pays them, it’s all a distraction to dupe the plebs”
Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 15 2024 14:00 utc | 206
That’s for damned sure, I agree. And the Dems made it look like it was the Indian tribes protesting that shut it all down. That sells very well to the Dem plebes.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 16 2024 23:10 utc | 268

“Ultimately Zionists and US power elite form one group with a common goal and a common ideology. The question of who is boss is actually meaningless.”
Posted by: Hamburger | Oct 15 2024 12:03 utc | 191
Succinct, well-stated Hamburger. Nation-states are a level far below the globalists in charge. The endless discussions about which nation-state “really” runs the show seem so deluded and WWE.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 16 2024 23:44 utc | 269

Money != currency.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 15 2024 19:35 utc | 248
If you can’t explain that to everyone here in two paragraphs, then you don’t understand it either. Go. Explain it so that every person here is going to remember it for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 17 2024 5:43 utc | 270