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October 14, 2024
Fake Reports Of Missile Transfers To Russia Are Used To Sanction Iran

Fake news reports have claimed, based on anonymous sources, that Iran has delivered ballistic missiles to Russia for use in the war in Ukraine.

Iran strongly denies to have sent any such missiles. Ukraine has not reported the impact of any such missile on its territory . There is zero evidence that any missile transfer has happened.

In September the U.S. and the UK imposed new sanctions on Iran mostly effecting its civil air line traffic. Now the EU is following with similar sanctions. These sanctions are claimed to be in punishment for missile transfers – which did not happen.

Outside of UN Security Council decisions all economic sanctions like travel impediments are in opposition to the rules of the Word Trade Organization and have no legal basis.

Let's follow the trail:

The first fake scare about Iranian missile transfer to Russia appeared in February 21. Reuters headlined:

Exclusive: Iran sends Russia hundreds of ballistic missiles

DUBAI, Feb 21 (Reuters) – Iran has provided Russia with a large number of powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, six sources told Reuters, deepening the military cooperation between the two U.S.-sanctioned countries.

Iran's provision of around 400 missiles includes many from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons, such as the Zolfaghar, three Iranian sources said. This road-mobile missile is capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles), experts say.
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The shipments began in early January after a deal was finalised in meetings late last year between Iranian and Russian military and security officials that took place in Tehran and Moscow, one of the Iranian sources said.

An Iranian military official – who, like the other sources, asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information – said there had been at least four shipments of missiles and there would be more in the coming weeks. He declined to provide further details. Another senior Iranian official said some of the missiles were sent to Russia by ship via the Caspian Sea, while others were transported by plane.

"There will be more shipments," the second Iranian official said. "There is no reason to hide it. We are allowed to export weapons to any country that we wish to." … A fourth source, familiar with the matter, confirmed that Russia had received a large number of missiles from Iran recently, without providing further details.

On March 15 the leaders of the U.S. controlled G-7 group of western countries reacted to the Reuters report:

We are extremely concerned about reports that Iran is considering transferring ballistic missiles and related technology to Russia after having supplied the Russian regime with UAVs, which are used in relentless attacks against the civilian population in Ukraine.
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Were Iran to proceed with providing ballistic missiles or related technology to Russia, we are prepared to respond swiftly and in a coordinated manner including with new and significant measures against Iran.

Nothing came of that. Not one Iranian missile appeared in Russia or Ukraine and no further statements were made.

However, a Reuters piece in August 2024 noted in an aside:

Reuters reported in February on deepening military cooperation between Iran and Russia and on Moscow's interest in Iranian surface-to-surface missiles.

Sources told the news agency at the time that around 400 Fateh-110 longer-range surface-to-surface ballistic missiles had been delivered. But the European intelligence sources told Reuters that according to their information, no transfer had happened yet.

Ukrainian authorities have not publicly reported finding any Iranian missile remnants or debris during the war.

The Reuters February 21 'exclusive', based on six anonymous sources, had turned out to be completely fake news. One wonders if those "three Iranian sources" Reuters had claimed to have talked to spoke Hebrew.

The shame over having issued a fake report did not prevent Reuters from issuing a similar fake report, covering a different type of missiles, just six month after the first one.

Exclusive: Iran to deliver hundreds of ballistic missiles to Russia soon, intel sources say

Aug 9 (Reuters) – Dozens of Russian military personnel are being trained in Iran to use the Fath-360 close-range ballistic missile system, two European intelligence sources told Reuters, adding that they expected the imminent delivery of hundreds of the satellite-guided weapons to Russia for its war in Ukraine.

Russian defence ministry representatives are believed to have signed a contract on Dec. 13 in Tehran with Iranian officials for the Fath-360 and another ballistic missile system built by Iran's government-owned Aerospace Industries Organization (AIO) called the Ababil, according to the intelligence officials, who requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters.

Citing multiple confidential intelligence sources, the officials said that Russian personnel have visited Iran to learn how to operate the Fath-360 defence system, which launches missiles with a maximum range of 120 km (75 miles) and a warhead of 150 kg. One of the sources said that that "the only next possible" step after training would be actual delivery of the missiles to Russia.

The usual back and forth followed with the U.S. threatening sanctions and Iran denying that any transfers were taking place:

A spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council said the United States and its NATO allies and G7 partners "are prepared to deliver a swift and severe response if Iran were to move forward with such transfers."
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Iran's permanent mission to the United Nations in New York said in a statement that the Islamic Republic had forged a long-term strategic partnership with Russia in various areas, including military cooperation.

"Nevertheless, from an ethical standpoint, Iran refrains from transferring any weapons, including missiles, that could potentially be used in the conflict with Ukraine until it is over," the statement said.

A month after the second Reuters missile fantasy report the U.S. decided to take up the theme. An 'Exclusive' Wall Street Journal piece said:

U.S. Tells Allies Iran Has Sent Ballistic Missiles to Russia
European officials say Europe and U.S. are working on a sanctions response to Iran’s move

Updated Sept. 6, 2024 5:05 pm ET

Iran has sent short-range ballistic missiles to Russia, according to U.S. and European officials, a move that gives Moscow another potent military tool in its war against Ukraine and follows stern Western warnings not to provide those arms to Moscow.

A day later Natasha Bertrand, the spokes' spokesperson at CNN, 'confirmed' those claims:

Iran recently transferred short-range ballistic missiles to Russia to use in the war against Ukraine, according to two sources familiar with the intelligence, completing a delivery that US and Western officials had warned was in the works for almost a year.

The claim that a missile transfer deal was 'in the works for almost a year' is weird. The first Reuters report in February was about medium range Fateh 110 missiles while the August report was about short range Fateh 360s. Those are two completely different systems. How do they constitute one deal?

The vague 'intelligence' claims were followed by more threats of sanctions:

National Security Council spokesperson Sean Savett told CNN in a statement that “any transfer of Iranian ballistic missiles to Russia would represent a dramatic escalation in Iran’s support” for the Kremlin in its invasion of Ukraine.

“We have been warning of the deepening security partnership between Russia and Iran since the outset of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and are alarmed by these reports. We and our partners have made clear both at the G7 and at the NATO summits this summer that together we are prepared to deliver significant consequences,” Savett said.
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Iran’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations denied the transfer had been carried out in statement to CNN.

“Iran’s position vis-à-vis the Ukraine conflict remains unchanged. Iran considers the provision of military assistance to the parties engaged in the conflict—which leads to increased human casualties, destruction of infrastructure, and a distancing from ceasefire negotiations—to be inhumane. Thus, not only does Iran abstain from engaging in such actions itself, but it also calls upon other countries to cease the supply of weapons to the sides involved in the conflict,” the statement said.

The official Iranian denial did not help. Just three days later the U.S. and UK imposed new sanctions on Iran:

The UK government is today announcing new and significant measures against Iran and Russia, following the Iranian regime’s transfer of ballistic missiles to Russia for use on the battlefield in Ukraine.

In coordination with our international partners, the UK will cancel its bilateral air services arrangements with Iran, which will restrict Iran Air’s ability to fly in to the UK.

The NY Times stenographed the U.S. version:

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken accused Iran on Tuesday of shipping short-range ballistic missiles to Russia for use in Ukraine and said that the Biden administration was imposing more sanctions against Tehran. The penalties include measures against Iran Air, the country’s main airline, he said.

Russia is likely to use the missiles “within weeks in Ukraine against Ukrainians,” Mr. Blinken said at a news conference in London with the British foreign secretary, David Lammy. He added that dozens of Russian soldiers have been training in Iran to use the missiles, the Fath-360 model with a range of 75 miles, and that the United States had shared intelligence in recent days with its allies on Iran’s aid.

Five weeks later zero Iranian missiles have appeared in the skies over Ukraine.

Still, the European Poodles also made noise about imposing their own missile sanctions over Iran.

Iran was aghast:

Iran has condemned planned EU sanctions in response to its alleged delivery of ballistic missiles to Russia, in a social media post by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi.

"I clearly said, and reiterate once again: we've NOT provided ballistic missiles to Russia," Araghchi posted on X. "If Europe needs a case to appease Israel's blackmail, better find another story."

The EU member states plan to impose the new sanctions on Monday.

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Seyed Abbas Araghchi @araghchi – 22:58 UTC · Sep 10, 2024

Once again, US and E3 act on faulty intelligence and flawed logic

– Iran has NOT delivered ballistic missiles to Russia. Period
– Sanction addicts should ask themselves: how is Iran able to make & supposedly sell sophisticated arms?

Sanctions r NOT a solution, but part of problem

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Seyed Abbas Araghchi @araghchi – 6:11 UTC · Oct 13, 2024

In a meeting with @JosepBorrellF and @enriquemora in NY, I said the following:

1- Iran-Russia military cooperation is not new; has a history, long before the Ukrainian crisis began.

2- Some Europeans have provided Israeli regime with all kinds of sophisticated weapons, and anxiously engaged in military operation against Iran.

3- US Maximum Pressure policy is still in place, and business community in Europe follows OFAC instructions in full.

I clearly said, and reiterate once again: we've NOT provided ballistic missiles to Russia. If Europe needs a case to appease Israel's blackmail, better find another story.

Today, despite those vehement Iranian denials, the European Poodles imposed additional sanctions on Iran:

EU includes Iran Air in sanctions over missile transfer to Russia

Oct 14 (Reuters) – The European Union agreed on Monday to impose sanctions on seven people and seven organisations, including airline Iran Air, for their links to Iranian transfers of ballistic missiles to Russia.

The listings also include Saha Airlines and Mahan Air and Iran's Deputy Defence Minister Seyed Hamzeh Ghalandari.

Last month, the United States, citing intelligence it said had been shared with allies, said Russia had received ballistic missiles from Iran for its war in Ukraine.

Washington immediately imposed sanctions on ships and companies it said were involved in weapons transfers. Following the U.S. allegations, Iran's President Masoud Pezeshkian said his government had not transferred any weapons to Russia since it took office in August.

Russia is mass producing its own long range and short missile and neither of the Iranian systems, the Fateh 110 or the Fateh 360, are superior to them.

Just yesterday the former president of Ukrainian Vladimir Zelensky claimed that Russia, within one week, had launched more then 900 glide bombs onto Ukraine:

Over the past week, Russia has fired hundreds of bombs and dozens of missiles at Ukraine. The Russian invaders also attacked Ukraine with 400 drones, according to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

This week alone, the Russians used about 900 guided aerial bombs, more than 40 missiles, and 400 attack drones of various types against Ukraine.

The most recent versions of the Russian glide bombs (the equivalent if the U.S. JDAM) can hit targets at a distance of some 80 kilometer from its launch point. It thus has about the same range as the Fateh 360 missiles Iran is claimed to have transferred to Russia. The Russian glide bombs carry about 1 ton of explosives while a Fateh 360 carries some 150 kilogram.

Why would Russia need Fatah 360 missiles when it is mass producing and using bombs of superior quality? Why would Russia need Fateh 110 missiles (range 300km, warhead 500kg) when it is mass producing and using Iskander missiles (range 500kg, warhead 750 kg) of superior capability?

The Reuters report in February 2024 about the transfer of Fateh 110 missiles had turned to have been fake.

The Reuters report in August 2024 about the transfer of Fateh 360 missiles was most likely also fake. Iran has strongly denied any such transfer at the highest level and zero such missiles have turned up in Russia or Ukraine. There is in fact no need for Russia to acquire such missiles as its own ones have at least the same capabilities.

In September the U.S picked up from the fake Reuters reports and claimed to have its own intelligence about an alleged missile transfer. It did not provide any evidence to support such claims.

The U.S. and the UK immediately imposed sanctions of Iran. The EU followed a month later. The sanctions imposed will (again) ban flights by Iranian airlines from and to Europe.

This will be of significant inconvenience for Iranian as well as European travelers.

These new sanctions are, despite opposing claims, obviously not related to any missile transfers between Iran and Russia as no such transfers have taken place.

Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi is likely correct when he asserts that these sanctions are happening solely "to appease Israel's blackmail".

However it is wrong to solely speak of 'Israel's blackmail'. This blackmailing of Europe is in fact done by the U.S in collaboration with Israel just as 'Israeli crimes' are in fact 'U.S.-Israeli crimes'.

"When we talk about 'Israeli crimes,' the framing is misleading, because they are U.S.-Israeli crimes. Whatever Israel does is either implicitly or explicitly authorized by the United States, which provides economic, diplomatic, military, and ideological support, and U.S. presidents can alter Israeli policy and restrain Israel’s violence when they choose to do so.

When we talk about Israel, we should remember that in an important sense we are talking about ourselves."

– Noam Chomsky

Posted by b on October 14, 2024 at 15:33 UTC | Permalink
Comments

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2024 18:52 utc | 70
Wasn’t the Sukhoi Superjet designed twice – first with Western engines, then with Russian ones?

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 14 2024 20:55 utc | 101

It seems neither Hamas nor Hezbollah thought to get a few thousand shoulder-fired SAMs before the genocide.
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 14 2024 20:18 utc | 97
It depends from what altitude and from what distance the Israeli jets release their bombs or launch their missiles. Probably far from reach of shoulder launched SAM’s?

Posted by: NoName | Oct 14 2024 21:03 utc | 102

Sorry, I will go and watch Netflix now..We did spend some of our holidays in Pwllheli close to where The Prisoner was Filmed. Its a bit nicer than Cornwall where they speak Cornish
Its a big world – travel and enjoy all the different cultures, At the end of the day, we are all pretty much the same.
Roedden ni’n gwybod na fyddai siarad Cymraeg yn gweithio’n rhy dda – yn bennaf oherwydd nad oedden ni’n gwybod dim Cymraeg

Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 21:04 utc | 103

@ @ retroflecks | Oct 14 2024 18:01 utc | 53
i am not sure what to make of that… sounds like whatever it was in the past, has been fixed so that iranians can travel to russia…
@ reante | Oct 14 2024 19:10 utc | 77
well, i am not sure about your projections with regard to ksa….. maybe… obviously a working friendship with iran or brics for that matter, could offset your projection here.. on the other hand, it would piss off the usa royally, so maybe you are right..
@ Debsisdead | Oct 14 2024 19:43 utc | 87
thanks.. i will go read it now..

Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 21:31 utc | 104

Ossi’s #1 is excellent. The source is Igor Garnov’s https://de.rt.com/international/222416-us-flugabwehrraketensystem-patriot-aufgrund-von-geburtsfehlern/ (in German)

Posted by: Konami | Oct 14 2024 21:38 utc | 105

“The overall effectiveness of the Ukrainian air defense in intercepting missiles is 30 percent, and 66 percent for drones.”
In small print, there are “approximate interception rates” based on data from “Ukrainian sources.”
Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1
All fake data. I remember that after one night with many strikes the ukronazis pretended to have intercepted 80% or even more of the missiles.
Likely they count as intercepted when one of their own missile strikes one building.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2024 21:40 utc | 106

Kept on the down-low is the amount of Russian timber that used to feed Finnish mills. Of course, sanctioning your main supplier isn’t always the best move. Kind of like Russian Roulette (Finnish Roulette) will all chambers loaded.
https://www.metsagroup.com/metsawood/news-and-publications/news/2024/metsa-group-plans-to-end-its-plywood-production-in-suolahti/#:~:text=The%20plan%20to%20end%20production,of%202026%20at%20the%20latest

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 14 2024 21:47 utc | 107

Just in case no one has mentioned this possibility yet:
The hoopla about Iran’s shipment of “missiles” to Russia is obviously bogus. But perhaps what the story is meant to cover up is the shipments in the reverse direction: hypersonic technology, possibly a few missiles worth testing, to Iran FROM Russia.
Not much has been said about the rather speedy way iran has mastered hypersonic capability – enough to hit israeli based with 80% success rate. A technology the US – or anyone else in the West – has yet to master (the US is still conducting failed tests of their system. What part of the technology are they missing?)
I can see why it’d be desirable for Deep Staters + Israel to cover up that technology transfer. Perhaps it’s too scary to reveal? especially with an empty hand?
Anyways, i can see a number of reasons for such a cover-up through a “reversal”. Of course everyone knows Russia does not need ballistic missiles from Iran, given what it’s got. But Iran may well have needed a little “help” to show a sufficiently strong hand to deter israel – at least for a while.
An even crazier “conspiracy” scenario occurred to me : what if some of those “annonymous” sources were in fact Russia linked? or Iran linked? doing a little “deflection” of their own.
I can see why Russia would want that kind of “deflection”. After all, if Russia is seen as providing direct help to Iran, that makes israel their enemy and that’s something they are not ready for. – – yet.
Emphasis on “yet”. The smarter intelligence/military players in israel know very well that ultimately, it is Russia they’ll be up against. especially as the West declines and the Global South rises. But neither party is willing to go that route yet. Though they will have to, in time.

Posted by: Merlin2 | Oct 14 2024 21:55 utc | 108

Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1 “receive target designation from a special satellite.”
What is the name of the “special” satellite?

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 14 2024 21:55 utc | 109

Propaganda tripe for regime change.
We’ll know when it’s about to happen when Reuters tells us that Iran is supplying free viagra to Iranian asylum seekers to rape German women.
USUKIS is sooo slooow to understand that after 25 years of propaganda drivel, nobody believes a word they say. The Satanic Datanic genocide in Sham has destroyed USUKIS’ credibility like the plague.
Since the beginning of this year visas between Pakistan , Iran and Afghanistan have been difficult to obtain because of USUKIS fears of military intervention in Palestine
The US owns a tract of land in Pakistani Kashmir as large as England and all the wages are paid by the US.
The Kashmiris are immensely proud of their access to and control of such an elitist defence contract, which would collapse in seconds if the region sent fighters to Palestine.
You can buy Congress and you can buy Pakistan, and you can buy Reuters, but I don’t think you can buy Afghanistan.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 14 2024 21:56 utc | 110

Kamala Harris cannot become a war president until she’s president. Which she cannot become as long as Biden is president. As he still is.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 14 2024 22:00 utc | 111

“well, i am not sure about your projections with regard to ksa….. maybe… obviously a working friendship with iran or brics for that matter, could offset your projection here.. on the other hand, it would piss off the usa royally, so maybe you are right..”
james 105
thanks james, my particular House of Saud call is based on this sub- framework of the non-public Degrowth Agenda (DA) that I call the Horsetrading Theory of Everything (HTOE). The DA needs to restructure the much fewer remaining oil flows post- financial collapse by non-market means and they’ve been engaging in this for years already. The HTOE is that geopolitical restructuring. Four years ago I predicted that Russia would reclaim Ukraine and at the same time I predicted that Israel would disappear. Venezuela becoming an oil protectorate of the USA is another. The Saud call another. There are others.
The HTOE sees that the nuclear powered and/or armed countries MUST get taken care of as well as possible or the civilizational collapse will become chaotic which risks nuclear war and/or chaotic grid collapse such that the nuclear reactors and spent fuel pools start popping off. As I see it, at least half of Saudi Arabian oil needs to go to the US and Europe, and since the US military is already fully interred in SA — and, ultimately, Saudi Aramco is really just a neocolonial front company for Standard Oil — the simplest move for the DA is for the extremely wasteful, elitist, and apartheid House of Saud to be deposed by the US.
The true relevance of BRICS, as I see it, is the facilitation of the non-petrodollar, regional bare-bones commodity-based barter bilateralisms of collapse.

Posted by: reante | Oct 14 2024 22:13 utc | 112

Merlin2 109
Slowly every strand of USUKIS’ invincibility is unpicking. When you know 100% you are being spied on , you will obviously feed the spies false information, if only for the great satisfaction of deceiving them.
It’s a psychological game in which the superpowers are made to look impotent at a very small cost to Iran. There are so many transit routes available to Iran. You could fly to Hungary or Russia or Istanbul on a tourist flight and literally hop into Iran.
Does Britain not understand that after centuries of manufactured self- importance, we are now a pariah state for our part in genociding Palestine?
The last straw that will break empire’s back is fast approaching .

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 14 2024 22:16 utc | 113

DS Map intel dropped:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#6/49.4324126/32.0581055
Overall, decent day at just under 18 kmsq. That’s slightly above the pace of 16/day to match SEP. However they had a very bad start to the month and need to get chopping if they are going to continue accelerating. No major strategic implications. Just a slightly better day of grinding.
S to N:
1. About 5 kmsq, N of Pryiutne (about halfway from Vuhledar to Huliapole). Real advance, gray moved. I doubt there is some massive big arrow effort starting, but does seem like perhaps more nibbling on this front, which had been static a long time.
2. About 7 kmsq, W of Zolata Nyuva (a town W of Vuhledar). [Same comments as (1).]
3. About 2.5 kmsq, W of Vodiane. Helps to widen the salient they are building towards Bohiavlenka (still a distance off). [Same comments as (1).]
4. About 3 kmsq NE of Nevske (pocket filled). Gray moved and UFA green ceded, but I think given the size of the pocket closing, it’s old cope being given up. Not very strategic, just straightens the line.
5. Very tiny advance in the heart of Toretsk (probably less than a quarter kmsq). Not sure why shown…maybe a geolocation drove it?

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 14 2024 22:23 utc | 114

@renate, #113:
I take it that in hoisting your HTOE theory (or tea leaves, which ever suits best), you assume US and Europe still sit, and will perpetually sit, on top of this world. Global South has no choice but to ultimately come down on their knees.
I think you need to wake up! The world as you see it has gone with the wind!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 14 2024 22:23 utc | 115

Sorry, mis-spelled your name. I meant reante.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 14 2024 22:24 utc | 116

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 14 2024 22:23 utc | 116
I’m not assuming, I’m patterning. Or possibly mispatterning but I’m batting a thousand so far.
You are misunderstanding me because you are politicized. Triggered. The US and Europe would simply be getting the lion’s share of SA oil because that is what has been decided is in the best interests of everyone, because the US and Europe have a shit-ton of nuclear weapons and nuclear spent fuel pools. It’s nothing personal, just practical.

Posted by: reante | Oct 14 2024 22:29 utc | 117

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 14 2024 21:47 utc | 108
Since the 1st January 2022, Russia forbade the export of raw lumber.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 14 2024 22:34 utc | 118

reante 113
Israel is not Likud, which is about as savoury as Azov fascism in Ukraine, or actually is Azov.
Israel can never collapse if 90 % of world Jewry detest this genocide.
Likud is just a Disney creature of the Neocons.
Secondly, in what possible sense , apart from a Crusade against the true religion of Islam, can Saudi Arabia be described as an apartheid state?
People of every colour and shade of
Belief are continuosly travelling to Saudi Arabia for Umrah and Hajj.
Both of these statements tell us about your prejudices. Palestine and Saudi Arabia both Holy lands. Are you slavering after all the other billions of Muslims after starving and torturing the Palestinians?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 14 2024 22:38 utc | 119

Thank you, james. I feel such a deep sense of shame for my adopted country, the US, as Israel keeps on with its atrocities. There is no way I would tell anyone how to think, just that they would think — and if anyone can influence the decisionmakers please, please do your best to do so. I know I can’t.
All I can do is give my garden a late afternoon shower to take them through the night before the sun comes again with its parching rays. And I’ll gather the dead leaves for the worm tubs remembering happier fall days of this task, when this shame did not engulf us all. I looked at the Alistair Crook article from Debs, thank you Debs. He too seems at a loss for words having tried so very hard to impress upon everyone what he knows, how darkly things must go before they end.
I thought that Arundhati Roy had the right way of speaking – her voice always says sorrow so beautifully, such a voice.
Words fail; it’s all I can say. Winter will seem like spring if only this mayhem ends.
Words fail.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 14 2024 22:49 utc | 120

Craig Murray firing on all cylinders. Please support his effort to cut through the propogandists.
Fuck Starmztrooper and all who are still believing Labour is better than the other lot.
Fuck Elon for throttling his X.
Twats.
‘Craig Murray
@CraigMurrayOrg
6h
This is really beyond belief. Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, attacking Lebanon, attacking UN peacekeepers and burning hospital patients alive.
Which is all Iran’s fault?
I hope every single person who voted Labour is deeply, deeply ashamed.
David Lammy
@DavidLammy
8h
Despite repeated warnings, the dangerous actions of Iran and its proxies are driving further escalation in the Middle East.
Following its ballistic missile attack on Israel, we are holding Iran to account and exposing those who facilitated these acts.
Oct 14, 2024 · 4:29 PM UTC‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 14 2024 23:18 utc | 121

Giyane 120 you make a fair point about likud. Originally my HTOE call for israel to disappear was hedged with, “or at the very least likud will disappear,” but now, given present events, its clear that the Elites have programmed into their favorite client state a self-destruct mode, and appear to be using that mode as the primary vehicle for timing the collapse of the global economy although the ukraine war might yet have something to say about that. I referred to SA as an apartheid state in large part because more than a third of its residents are long-term poor migrant workers with unequal rights but the regime is also pretty rotten to a large swath of its own.

Posted by: reante | Oct 14 2024 23:19 utc | 122

RF is buying ammo (arty ammo and tank ammo 152, 100, 125, 122mm), and missiles on an as needed basis from India, China, NK, Iran and Serbia (is Vucic playing both sides of the street?).
At this point its domestic production is very strong in all these categories, so shipments are used as supplements, not in an immediate sense. Currently RF is in fact rushing supplies of S400’s to Iran…so what is the point again?
Its totally laughable that NSC spokesfreak in the WH would accuse Iran or any RF supplier of escalation especially when one considers that all the EU and NATO has done is to escalate the types of equipment given to the Ukronazis…….F16’s anyone…….ATACM’s anyone……..cluster bombs anyone…..Patriot systems anyone……chemical weapons labs anyone…….EW stations anyone?

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 14 2024 23:40 utc | 123

@ reante | Oct 14 2024 22:13 utc | 113
interesting speculation on your part.. regarding ksa – yes, i can see all that… but ksa has been aligning with other countries in what looks like an attempt to alter it’s fate, or the one according to you!! we’ll see how it goes.. your predictions are very early, even if they are in the right direction.. it is much too soon to tell.. and i doubt very much that your speculation will be true, but i appreciate you sharing it all! thanks for commentary..

Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 23:49 utc | 124

Hmm Australia has urged its citizens to leave Israel ASAP… so they think it’s coming…
I would leave if I didn’t have a very good reason to stay…

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 14 2024 23:53 utc | 125

When are we gonna stop calling this madness or raging fascism and instead an Orwellian phenomenon counting since pre-Oct 7? Criminal incompetence of this order need not have one head villain—it can be decentralized and compartmentalized and then come together in a manner that activates a plan a la PNAC.

Posted by: Ludovic | Oct 14 2024 23:53 utc | 126

Posted by: reante | Oct 14 2024 22:13 utc | 113
your shitty theory is not backed by any facts; it’s just western nominalism what ought to be vs. the hard reality that us/uk/eu are now very used whores by the global israelli/jewish elite and need replacing.

Posted by: Boo | Oct 14 2024 23:57 utc | 127

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 14 2024 22:23 utc | 115
I admire your efforts. It is a shame you do not put all that effort into something more meaningful. Still, if it brings you joy. I could never fathom Trainspotting either, but this how I imagine you are after posting your incredibly meaningless stats. P.s wrong thread, fyi.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1063276932103801
The only surprising thing about the new Iranian leadership is the constant expectation that the US or EU is interested in anything other than the complete subjugation, servitude and plunder Iran. Like believing the Genocidal Entity is capable of humility.
More CIA agents have turned up in Lebanon.
There’s rumours of a split between Assad and his brother, hope this is disinformation.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 15 2024 0:11 utc | 128

james 124 i appreciate your warmth and circumspection. yes, it’s still early. the reason that i got into patterning the future with specifics is because the peak oil community has known for a long time what a high psychological barrier to entry that peak oil theory, and the attendant, near-term structural collapse of civilization, is for human beimgs that are heavily invested in the system however anbivalent they may be about the system. my reasoning is that if i do an exceptional job of patterning future geopolitics then people like yourself will say to himself or herself that the only way he could have known is if 2018 peak oil is true, and if peak oil is true then all the nations’ intelligence services and central banks have obviously known about it and planned for it non-publicly, because announcing the structural collapse of civilization is an impossible policy choice. hence the covert DA that began with a fake plandemic that destroyed 30pc of oil demand for a year in order to buy 5 more years until financial collapse of global facism. I dont have a crystal ball. Nobody does. But i do know what theyre up to. As for what you said about KSA, the HTOE has the third largest share of their oil going to china, thus the laying of that political groundwork over the last couple years. And on the level of bureaucratic political theater, KSA’s looking east simultaneously lays down the unspoken political foundation for moving on the House of Saud when the time comes. I said to peter AU1 last week that trump’s coming landslide victory next month would mean no more imperial coups as per the nationalist requirements of Phase 2 of the DA, but the US will get a free pass on the House because it will be marketed as delayed revenge for 9/11.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 1:07 utc | 129

What is ridiculous is that Iran is sending missiles to Russia for Russia’s use…what is plausible is that Iran is shipping its missiles to Russia so that Russia can then send them to their airbase in Syria, which will then be transported to Hezbollah and Iranian Rev. Guards cadres within Syria itself…Maybe why Israel has not struck Iran…They can’t defend themselves from mutual directions, and Russia may have played a hand in that. Armchairing, of course. Salud!

Posted by: Scottinyouston | Oct 15 2024 1:10 utc | 130

Boo 127 future facts, Boo, future facts! And you heard them here first. 🙂

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 1:12 utc | 131

Oops…”They can’t defend themselves from strikes from multi-directions” I don’t know how to edit my posts here…

Posted by: Scottinyouston | Oct 15 2024 1:19 utc | 132

“It seems neither Hamas nor Hezbollah thought to get a few thousand shoulder-fired SAMs before the genocide.” motorslug @ Oct 14 2024 20:18
That can only be because their leaders were traitors.
Posted by: big lies | Oct 15 2024 0:28 utc | 129
That can’t be the reason. Hezbollah are on the border with Jewrael, and ‘HAMAS’ are in Gaza, putting their lives on the line by turning Bad (bloodthirsty) Jews into Good (dead) Jews.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2024 1:34 utc | 133

I’m tony off-topic, and I’m a retard
I make post after post, but staying on topic is intolerably hard
I’m fat and gaseous, my liver is lard
I’m here day after day to ensure each thread is marred
With one chick, once, I had me some luck
Now I spend me days here reassuring all I could indeed fuck
But in truth, I really much rathered my time in a schoolboy rugby ruck
In the past my mind is irretrievably stuck
I fear everyone here knows I’m a cuck
I can post incessantly but always just muck
I’m tony off-topic and I’m a retard
My posts and opinions you should readily discard
My posts show nothing but contempt for y’all, and especially bernard.

Posted by: Tonyofftopic | Oct 15 2024 1:53 utc | 134

It’s Monday, so we have another article dealing with the West Asian situation and specifically the ongoing debate over who’s the Boss: The Outlaw US Empire or its Zionist proxy? Seems it needs to be more convincing since some people have a hard time reasoning and integrating about 60 years-worth of history, “The Outlaw US Empire–Always THE Boss,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/the-outlaw-us-empire-always-the-boss
Special thanks to Outraged for his excellent recap of Iran’s situation prior to and after the 1979 Revolution which I included in the essay. We should understand just how fortunate we are that the Iranians revolted–imagine NATO with Iran as an asset.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2024 1:58 utc | 135

Thanks for the report b.
The ruse is that if you turn the population against the “regime,” it will fall. They have no other weapons but terrorism, and sanctions.
I recommend people familiarize themselves with Hawala (Havaleh in Farsi) – sanction-buster.
——-
Well I’m certainly glad that the west is not supplying missiles or other weapons to Israel or the ukraine. Imagine how hypocritical that would look to the rest of the world.
@Fred777 | Oct 14 2024 16:40 utc | 23
“You nailed it. They ALWAYS accuse others of doing what they do themselves.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2024 16:49 utc | 27
Freud called it ‘projection’-an ego defense mechanism
Posted by: canuck | Oct 14 2024 17:00 utc | 30
I call it ‘Rules Based Order’ – do as I say, not as I do.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 15 2024 2:17 utc | 136

[[Sent to my list]]

Please make time to watch this podcast with Anya Parampil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G74I-h6UE
“Anya Parampil: Will the Killing Stop”
She is the most articulate speaker of truth to power, on the disaster facing the Palestinians, Israel, the Middle East, the USA, and the whole world because of the mad dog and liar Netanyahu and creepy Zionists controlling our own government such as the creepy liar Antony Blinken.
Today helpless civilians in North Gaza were burned to death when their meager tents were set on fire. No food has been allowed into North Gaza since October 1. These people are being sacrificed . . . to what?
Israel is killing at will in Lebanese communities and bombing Beirut.
Israel demands the right to continue to kill Arabs and others, including UN peacekeepers, for as long as they please, to achieve Greater Israel. No one is stopping them. Without US arms and fuel they would have to stop.
The USA demands regime change in Lebanon, Iran, and ultimately Russia as its right. Meanwhile huge volumes of precious fuel are burned through in military aggression in order to appropriate and steal more fossil fuel.
Do Americans understand the heinous crimes their country is underwriting and, increasingly, participating in?

Posted by: Jane | Oct 15 2024 2:22 utc | 137

@ reante | Oct 15 2024 1:07 utc | 130
thanks reante for the additional details of your speculation here.. it is all very interesting! i never dismiss speculation on the part of others… some of it might indeed be solid, but my own take is it is very difficult to predict the future and it can spin a number of ways that are completely unpredictable.. so – we’ll see my friend!!
@ karlof1 | Oct 15 2024 1:58 utc | 138
others at moa.. karl has written a great article that he shares @ 138… i highly recommend everyone read it..

Posted by: james | Oct 15 2024 2:25 utc | 138

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 14 2024 22:24 utc | 117
No worries about the misspelling, friend.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 2:38 utc | 139

indian punchline on russia-iran dynamics – oct 14th
Between Russia and Iran all is well that ends well
“When it comes to the Ukraine conflict, Tehran’s stance is similar to India’s approach. Interestingly, in a post on X in the weekend, Iranian foreign minister Abbas Araghchi wrote that in his recent interactions in New York with top EU officials, he categorically told them “Iran-Russia military cooperation is not new; it has a history, long before the Ukrainian crisis began… I clearly said, and reiterate once again: we’ve NOT provided ballistic missiles to Russia. If Europe needs a case to appease Israel’s blackmail, better find another story.”
Significantly, at the Ashgabat meeting, neither Putin nor Pezeshkian claimed a strategic convergence in the salience of the two countries’ respective foreign policies. Pezeshkian, nonetheless, assured Putin that he looked forward to attending the upcoming BRICS summit and “we will do everything needed to approve and sign the documents on its agenda.”

Posted by: james | Oct 15 2024 2:51 utc | 140

Posted by: james | Oct 15 2024 2:25 utc | 141
Much obliged, james.

Posted by: reante | Oct 15 2024 3:01 utc | 141

What about reports that Iran agreed not to respond to a limited Israeli hit? Also fake?

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 15 2024 3:30 utc | 142

Jane @140
Anja Parampil. Noe here’s a name I haven’t encounter for a while…I remember her from RT, before RT was censored off by my locsl cable purveyor.

Posted by: AJ | Oct 15 2024 3:33 utc | 143

Iran often refrains from targeting Israhell cuz sanctions
When are the Iranians going to learn that the US will sanction them over nothing to appease Israhell?
What would it take to destroy this ability by the US to continue to harm countries that won’t do US/Israhell bidding?
I am SO SICK of this shit out of the US/ISISREAL

Posted by: Kay | Oct 15 2024 3:42 utc | 144

Quit arguing and pleading for moar escalations, you keyboard warriors who have no blood in the game.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 3:43 utc | 145

Maybe they should rename Reuters Rorters…

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Oct 15 2024 3:49 utc | 146

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/11056
Middle East Spectator
— 🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: Israel’s Minister of Finance, Bezalel Smotrich, says he is ‘satisfied’ with the attack plans against Iran that were proposed by the Israeli War Cabinet.
Smotrich is known to be an Israeli hardliner and war hawk, which could indicate that the upcoming strikes are expected to be major.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/11051
Middle East Spectator
— ❗️🇮🇷/🇺🇸 NEW: Iran’s Foreign Ministry announces the suspension of indirect communications with the United States
Iran’s Foreign Minister, Abbas Araqchi: ‘Based on America’s systematic dishonesty and the current state of war in the region, we have concluded that there is no benefit in exchanging messages with the U.S.’

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 15 2024 3:51 utc | 147

Most ridiculous thing I see going on here is the supposedly pro-resistance people repeating MSM talking-point that Iran has tested a nuclear weapon! It was just a small earthquake and if anyone takes just 2 minutes to research the seismographic response they can see that it was just a moderately deep tectonic earthquake on a major, deep fault in western Iran, not even very unusual.
Why would so many cheerleaders here want to make it look like Israel was 100% right all along for the past 20 years for accusing Iran of “developing nuclear weapons of mass destruction”? And what about Iran being a signatory to the NPT? Sre the dummies who keep saying Iran tested a nuke are just liars?

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 4:01 utc | 148

Posted by: Kay | Oct 15 2024 3:42 utc | 147
And US is getting all their poodles to sanction Iran over fake intel that Iran send hundreds of ballistic missiles to Russia.
Iran never learns.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 15 2024 4:11 utc | 149

The second most idiotic thing still going on here at MoA is the idea that “there was a third assassination attempt against Trump!” No, people, the guy was a big Trump supporter who wanted to attend the Trump rally but just forgot to take his loaded weapons out of his van before he went to the rally. Anyone can look this up. He was released on $5k bail. Nothingburger.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 4:14 utc | 150

Posted by: james | Oct 15 2024 2:25 utc | 141
Thanks, james, for recommending karlof1’s substack. I might have missed it otherwise. I do see how he goes far back into the origins of the US, tracing empire forward through his ‘Outlaw Empire’ designation into Crooke’s latest article and then to Outraged’s tour de force. These are all folk I respect, but I have some reservations, Dostoievski fan that I am. I’ll try to explain what those are, taking Outraged’s final observation, that history rhymes.
I made that observation looking way further back into Jewish history as recorded in the Septuagint’s tale of the Jews asking Samuel for a king. I jumped forward and said that the story reminded me of the people demanding Barrabas instead of Christ when Pilate was asking which to release.
I really don’t think we can say that the US of A has been bent on its outlaw from its very beginnings. In various ways I think that many countries have a similar heritage, a heritage that goes back into each one’s sagas and legends that have been passed down as their power struggles ebb and flow. Perhaps, yes, as far back as Vietnam coming on the heels of the assassinations, and certainly the struggles are there in our oldest generation’s memories. But there were equally strong counterforces and we ought not forget them.
It is true that there were struggles between indigenous and incoming settlers – that happened everywhere. It happened on the great continent of Europe/Asia as well. And it has been pointed out that the immediate economic stresses we are entering in the US were encountered before that in Russia – different causes by different ‘agents’ but here we are where they were.
We ought not think that an implacable enormous force is bearing down upon the world with planning solidifying over centuries of masterminded evil. These ‘strategists’ are people after all, and narrowminded, powerhungry madmen can exist in any country. So I wouldn’t go back into other lifetimes to see trends developing. There are other trees in the forest, good ones. Putin wasn’t visible to Russians until fairly historically recently. We’ll get ours one day as well.
And that’s the rhyme I’m hoping for.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2024 4:16 utc | 151

My 3rd paragraph: ‘…bent on its outlaw heritage“.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2024 4:20 utc | 152

LOL That is some funny Suresh
by: Anonymous
I admire your efforts. It is a shame you do not put all that effort into something more meaningful. Still, if it brings you joy. I could never fathom Trainspotting either, but this how I imagine you are after posting your incredibly meaningless stats. P.s wrong thread, fyi.
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1063276932103801
Posted by: Suresh | Oct 15 2024 0:11 utc | 128

Posted by: jopalolive | Oct 15 2024 4:22 utc | 153

Anyone saying “10 km depth is just a placeholder” for any earthquake is totally full of shit, btw.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 4:25 utc | 154

@ juliania | Oct 15 2024 4:16 utc | 154
you make a great over arching angle to this juliania which is ultimately positive and i really appreciate that.. it is easy to get caught up in the darkness of it all and forget that their is light in all this too.. it isn’t all dark.. the darkness doesn’t last for forever either.. with that in mind, i am going to read something positive before i slip off to bed in one of the many enriching books that i have that don’t focus on anything like what i usually focus on here at moa… thanks kindly for your response here..

Posted by: james | Oct 15 2024 4:27 utc | 155

Why would so many cheerleaders here want to make it look like Israel was 100% right all along for the past 20 years for accusing Iran of “developing nuclear weapons of mass destruction”? And what about Iran being a signatory to the NPT? Sre the dummies who keep saying Iran tested a nuke are just liars?
Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 4:01 utc | 151

karma.

Posted by: retroflecks | Oct 15 2024 4:32 utc | 156

“karma.”
Posted by: retroflecks | Oct 15 2024 4:32 utc | 159
If that’s true the Ayotollahs are indeed liars. An Ayotollah once religiously proclaimed that nukes and other wmd weapons were against their religion. Was he just lying to gain a atrategic advantage?
I don’t think so. I think the whole thing about Iran testing a nuke weapon along an active fault 100 km from Tehran is just playing into the western media narrative. Just wondering why it gets so much traction here at MoA. Oh well, we know Pakistan has nukes so clearly it isn’t just a Muslim religious thing. Complicated.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 4:44 utc | 157

Be fair 148
We all have blood in a game of nuclear armageddon , or man- made covid. We see Biden learning that nukes are dangerous in Ukraine, same way he is now learning about blow-back from genocide, his dream option 2 for colonial expansion.
Smotrich said the immortal words, “We desperately need to get some legitimacy for our genocide”.
These sucker politicians always assume that military power is invincible on its own.
They only realise now , one year on , that they have to demonise Iran because the entire world is against this genocide. In the West , Yes-men rise to power, and they appear to have zero understanding of anything .
In Ukraine, all the Azov , Russophobic-brainwashed are now dead. In Jewry , all the Talmudic-brainwashed Islamophobes will die.
Because in the real world the stakes are too high to cling on to festering racism.
Especially when the Dividers and rulers try to weaponise that racism for colonial gain. Our job is either to try to defuse the racism that USUKIS has weaponised, or physically fight the racists they have brainwashed.
You cannot argue with Satan. His followers weaponise racism .
Our first priority is to learn to take those of our leaders who follow Satan , as followers of Satan.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 15 2024 4:55 utc | 158

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 15 2024 4:55 utc | 161
We who post here don’t really have any blood in the game. If we do, it is just a thought experiment. Right? I’m not sure anyone cares anymore, at least in the US. Thanks for the post. I don’t know, and I’m not saying I know everything.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 5:19 utc | 159

Posted by: Complicated | Oct 15 2024 5:19 utc | 164
I wish you would quit stalking me, but sometimes you do have good points worthy of thought. There are indeed many people here at MoA who believe every idiotic conspiracy theory put forth by the agency trolls (several here are cognitive infiltrators) or any theory that confuses people who are otherwise logical and thoughtful. To be expecyed, it is a talkboars and and everyone can post. But you are kinda dumb to think EVERY “conspiracy theory”, as defined by big media and govt is always false. Many many many turn out to be conspiracy facts. You called bevin and some other famous posters here sockpuppets, so nobody can take you seriously. Be more diplomatic.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 5:46 utc | 160

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2024 1:34 utc | 135
You cannot bring down fighter bombers dropping JDAMS from range with MANNPADS.
Those are for helis and CAS planes.

Posted by: Satepestage | Oct 15 2024 6:18 utc | 161

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 14 2024 22:38 utc | 120
As a white European male who has previously experienced living in Saudi Arabia for several years, I can assure you that they are an apartheid state. Experiencing life as an ‘other’ was quite an eye opener, especially being made to sit in the rear segregated portion of the bus with the women.

Posted by: Phalanges | Oct 15 2024 6:31 utc | 162

Australia lamely follows suit:
Five Iranians added to sanction list over links to missile program, as Australians told not to travel to Israel, Maani Truu, ABC News, 2024-10-15
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-15/five-iranians-added-to-sanction-list-travel-advice-raised/104472704

Posted by: YesXorNo | Oct 15 2024 7:14 utc | 163

Anyone saying 10 km depth is just a placeholder for any earthquake is totally full of shit, btw.
Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 4:25 utc | 157
US Geological Survey seems to disagree with you:
https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/why-do-so-many-earthquakes-occur-a-depth-10km

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 15 2024 7:18 utc | 164

Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1
Thanks for this very revealing lesson on the technical floors in the patriot system.
Regarding the thaad it was reported and claimed by Iran they hit Israels x band radar in nevatim afb on 1st Oct. Its been said this very powerful radar is similar and as powerful as the thaad radar and the only one Israel had. what is your take on this. Interesting news considering the US thaad system now being deployed in Israel.
RE sanctions .
It my be the case the squatters fear retaliation from iran and these sanctions(and thaads) are the best they an hope for in the short term rather than attack iran. They must have demanded sanctions no matter the flimsy pretext.

Posted by: RC213V | Oct 15 2024 7:29 utc | 165

You have time to waste responding to what the Ukronazis and their handlers say. No serious person cares what those devils say. Lying is natural to them.

Posted by: Mohale Thoka | Oct 15 2024 7:33 utc | 166

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 15 2024 7:18 utc | 167
Wow, a three-paragraph asserion with no links to any scientific studies. So there you go! That proves right there that Iran just conducted it’s first nuclear weapons test! Yep, Iranian Ayotollahs who said nukes and other wmd’s were against Islamic values jusr flat-out lied, and Israel was right with their accusations for the last 20 years. And they said fuuuuck yooou to the NPT they are still party too

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 7:40 utc | 167

Is there a relation between declining number of postings on 4chan and the increasing number of outright brainrotten /pol/ spammer postings here?
Personal attacks and insulsts, (crypto) glorification/relativization of nazi germany, lots of shilling for empire over the last few threads.

Posted by: kspr | Oct 15 2024 7:45 utc | 168

nothing will, Jeremy C. nothing – nothing but armed resistance will stop this israeli terrorism against the Palestinian people, Lebanon, Yemen, Syria et. al., and next of course, Iran
https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1845760695654138059
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn
If the sight of human beings burning alive won’t stop the UK government supplying arms to Israel, what will?
3:36 AM · Oct 14, 2024 ·2.8M Views
one of his best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EydhO8lJveU
BALLISTIC MISSILES ON TEL AVIV FROM LEBANON | UN FORCES CHALLENGE ISRAEL | ESCALATION ON THE WAY
Mahmood OD

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 15 2024 7:45 utc | 169

I don’t understand Mr. Martyanov, a Russian who loves his land, Russia, so much, but emigrated and lives comfortably in the United States despite criticizing it daily,
I find this somewhat bizarre if not ambiguous.

Posted by: A.cagliostro | Oct 15 2024 7:49 utc | 170

Posted by: A.cagliostro | Oct 15 2024 7:49 utc | 173
Yeah, a bit of a broken record. Blah blah blah Americans are all so dumb and poorly educated.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 7:55 utc | 171

Smotrich said the immortal words, “We desperately need to get some legitimacy for our genocide”.
These sucker politicians always assume that military power is invincible on its own.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 15 2024 4:55 utc | 161
I would say that it already has the legitimacy of the only people that matter: right wingers and phony liberals
in the USA and Europe, which are the ones that underwrite the legitimacy of the respective political systems.
Everyobody else can simply be ignored, bought or crushed.
While I am a believer in “you can do anything with bayonets except to sit on them” if you are after land/resources genocidal warfare vastly simplifies the insurgency problem down to the basic issue of applying overwhelming firepower against civilians. If the palestinians can be succesfully wiped out then exterminating everyone in Yemen (for example) would be a matter of course with blockade, firebombing of settlements by air and western Einsatztruppen vastly better equipped than those deployed on the eastern front going after the survivors. Eventually the task could be increasingly roboticized.
To resist that you would then need serious firepower capable of doing crippling damage or better a nuclear arsenal.

Posted by: Satepestage | Oct 15 2024 7:59 utc | 172

Remember, Andrei M left his beloved Russia to work for the US military-industrial-complex (Boeing). One thing I’ve noticed about the videos he posts is that so many are ex-CIA or US military, like Larry and Col MacGregor and Ritter. But i still like Andrei a lot. So much better than Blinken.

Posted by: Be fair | Oct 15 2024 8:07 utc | 173

Personal attacks and insulsts, (crypto) glorification/relativization of nazi germany, lots of shilling for empire over the last few threads.
Posted by: kspr | Oct 15 2024 7:45 utc | 171
(crypto) glorification are just short hand for modern day gold bugs. The biggest pump and dump scan since the last pump and dump scam they carried out during the financial crises. They Carry out with crypto every few months.
Their fairy tales always start off with the $ value dropped 95% since 1900. So we have to use something else. Or the $ is unstable.
That’s how you spot these fraudsters.
It’s the exact same propaganda used by the gold bugs and crypto bros that the big landowners who wanted and pushed for a gold standard, when the first settlers in the US wanted to issue their own public money.
Michael Hudson has,spent a career promoting public money. As he knows the true American history.
Nothing’s changed, it you know the true American history and look at the newspaper clippings from that time. The big landowners were the only ones who wanted it. Used propaganda and paid politicians to push for it. The workers and traders wanted to issue their own public money. The big landowners and politicians carried out propaganda called ” monetary silencing ”
The IMF, world bank, politicians, gold bugs, crypto bros, carry out the same ” monetary silencing ” framing and narratives today. Most of it is just a copy and paste job from the days of the early settlers. The techniques the big landowners used.
So how you do deal with these monetary silencers ?
HERE:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WqxB775qnP4
Why nobody takes them seriously anymore. Apart from those fooled and brainwashed by their monetary silencing propaganda.
You are right kspr they have seeped into here from other places. Can’t hide their true intentions for very long.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 10:14 utc | 174

Nothing will happen from the Iranian side. The mullas are keeping their feet still.
They walk around with brown stripes in their pants and are afraid for their lives.
In the event of a war with Israel, the mullah dictatorship could collapse from within at any time.
The internal political situation is volatile and is only kept under control by the terror of the Revolutionary Guards.
A totalitarian regime that publicly hangs men and women of all ages, minors and even children from car cranes for trivialities has no future.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Oct 15 2024 10:23 utc | 175

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 10:14 utc | 179
So why are the BRICS accumulating gold bricks?
Jerusalem Post no less:
https://m.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/precious-metals/article-824361

Posted by: Brian | Oct 15 2024 10:24 utc | 176

So why are the BRICS accumulating gold bricks?
Posted by: Brian | Oct 15 2024 10:24 utc | 181
If you think BRICS are going to implement the gold standard then someone has sold you a bridge.. It is not a payment system it is a saving system.
China collects gold bricks as collateral for their flakey tea pot oil refiners credit. What is often missed is the real purpose of the Shanghai Exchange.
Which has precisely nothing to do with the Death of The Dollar gold bug meme and everything to do with China’s determined attempt to wrest oil market pricing from the sell-side, with Asian buyers (and probably the EU – who are also short oil) cheering them on.
Shanghai crude oil futures are priced by traders – like all oil – in $ with a forward FX conversion into Yuan settlement. The clearing house guarantee comes in handy for dealing with flaky teapot refinery credit, which may be collateralised with gold or other acceptable collateral.
The importance of the Shanghai contract is not the currency – that is a red herring promulgated mainly by gold bugs and dollar bears who don’t understand the difference between a currency and a unit of account – it is the fact that it is a buy-side pricing mechanism (as was the LME when it began) in a market dominated by the sell-side.
Note that China is now the biggest global oil buyer, has been courting regional Asian buyers.
China alone pays $bn’s per month more when the oil price rises when oil started its ascent when Trump’s ‘Energy Dominance’ doctrine kicked in, and their neighbours are also paying a small fortune in pure economic rent gouged from them by sell-side market power on the ICE & CME platforms.
Brian,
The monetary silencers will never offer to take school children to the FED and treasury to teach school children how the magic really happens. Show them how money is really created. They don’t even teach the truth in schools or Universities and banks.
It must be kept in the dark or their monetary silencing propaganda will not work.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 10:41 utc | 177

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 14 2024 23:40 utc | 124 “RF is buying ammo (arty ammo and tank ammo 152, 100, 125, 122mm), and missiles on an as needed basis from India, China, NK, Iran and Serbia (is Vucic playing both sides of the street?).”
Do you have some links to RF buying ammo from India?
These links say India is selling ammo to Ukraine: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-ammunitions-ukraine-war-russia-defence/article68659032.ece https://www.reuters.com/world/ammunition-india-enters-ukraine-raising-russian-ire-2024-09-19/
And do you know how Serbia is shipping the ammo to Russia that it is selling them? I only see stories like this https://balkaninsight.com/2024/07/08/why-russia-tolerates-serbia-sending-arms-to-ukraine/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/12/world/europe/leaked-document-serbia-ukraine.html

Posted by: Ed4 | Oct 15 2024 11:09 utc | 178

Nothing will happen from the Iranian side. The mullas are keeping their feet still.
They walk around with brown stripes in their pants and are afraid for their lives.
In the event of a war with Israel, the mullah dictatorship could collapse from within at any time.
The internal political situation is volatile and is only kept under control by the terror of the Revolutionary Guards.
A totalitarian regime that publicly hangs men and women of all ages, minors and even children from car cranes for trivialities has no future.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Oct 15 2024 10:23 utc | 180
To the first paragraph: let me guess your Teeveeee told you that (most likely ARD or ZDF), right?
To the second paragraph: I agree with that. But Saudi Arabia who chops of heads in public is probably fine with you. Because they are allied with the USA. Right? Always these hypocrites… it’s getting tiresome.

Posted by: NoName | Oct 15 2024 11:21 utc | 179

“This blackmailing of Europe is in fact done by the U.S in collaboration with Israel just as ‘Israeli crimes’ are in fact ‘U.S.-Israeli crimes’.”
America or Israel it makes no difference. In either case we are talking about Jews more loyal to Israel and their tribe than the US and many are joint citizens.

Posted by: My Comment | Oct 15 2024 11:29 utc | 180

Brian,
I shouldn’t be telling you this as it is a real money maker for me. This is the last one I give for free.
Very few recognise what Trump’s energy dominance consisted of and what Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharipo from Morgan Stanley did. What did they do Brian during Trump’s first term ?
They put the $ on an oil standard around 2017/18. Here is how they done it.
HERE:
https://seekingalpha.com/author/chris-cook/analysis
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts the $ index since 2017/18 tracks the crude price. If you know what direction oil is going in you can clean up in the FX markets now that the $ has been put on an oil standard.
Did you ever wonder why when we had the biggest inflation episode in recent memory the $ stayed very strong Brian ?
Now that the inflation has dropped the $ has become weaker Brian ?
Turned the economic textbooks inside out and upside down. It is because Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharipo from Morgan Stanley put the $ on an oil standard.
FX traders and the zombies still think the $ has an inverse relationship with oil.
Back to China…..
That’s why they set up the Shanghi exchange and that’s why they built massive storage facilities. China created a buyers club Brian. They went round countries who suffer when the oil price rises.
The oil price is being directly manipulated and inflated by Enron pre pay techniques. To help the US shale guys.
China and the buyers club ( Think OPEC but on the demand side) now store massive, massive quantities of oil. So they go on a buyers strike.
The media report it as a drop in Chinese demand.
There is no drop in demand the buyers club just use their massive storage facilities instead. This drops the oil price.
What you have just witnessed since July Brian in the oil market.
The new swing demander – the buyers club – then move in and gobble up oil at the cheaper price. To fill back up their massive storage and what they need.
Then oil moves back up again.
HERE:
Let’s have a look at how China buys it’s crude oil.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1722921871748767962.html
HERE:
why we need to be careful about demand from China.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1613140403598802950.html
That’s what the Shanghai exchange is all about Brian.
It’s funny really, the gold bugs always wanted the $ put on a gold standard. What they got during Trump’s first term was an oil stabdard. The $ now tracks the oil price.
I find it funny anyway. It has been very, very profitable for me.
Oil price goes Up – $ index goes up.
Oil price goes up – USD/CAD, USD/ YEN, USD/CHF goes up
Oil price goes up – GBP/USD, EUR/USD, AUS/USD, NZD/USD goes down.
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts. Plot any major $ currency pair against the crude price.
The zombies who didn’t know what Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharipo did. Still think there is an inverse relationship between the $ and oil. Intra day and intra month can play about a bit. But as the yearly and 5 yearly charts show the $ now tracks the crude price. These fools get trampled on as they run for the exists.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 11:30 utc | 181

“The monetary silencers will never offer to take school children to the FED and treasury to teach school children how the magic really happens. Show them how money is really created. They don’t even teach the truth in schools or Universities and banks.
It must be kept in the dark or their monetary silencing propaganda will not work.”
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 10:41 utc | 182
I think you are missing the point.
Historically, the primary reason that the US dollar has not been reduced to toilet paper is because of its military superiority.
Countries in the past who tried to escape the dollar in trade-Libya was invaded cause they wanted to sell their oil for gold not dollars; Iraq was invaded cause they wanted to sell their oil in Euros-were severely punished-others got sanctions.
However, now that US military superiority has significantly declined (see Afghanistan retreat, Russia SMO, Hamas not being extinguished after a year of fighting) even while America spends more than all the other top ten militaries put together illustrates that the US is a ‘paper tiger’.
Such that ‘de-dollarization’ is now occurring.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 11:31 utc | 182

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 11:31 utc | 186
Your missing the whole point
HERE:
https://seekingalpha.com/author/chris-cook/analysis
Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharpio during Trump’s first term put the $ on an oil standard under Their energy dominance strategy.
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts around 2017/18 the $ was put on an oil standard.
Chart the $ index v’s the crude price
Chart the crude price v’s any of the major $ currency pairs.
That’s what the Shanghai exchange was all about.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 11:40 utc | 183

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 11:31 utc | 186
Why we need to be careful about demand from China.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1613140403598802950.html
Let’s have a look at how China buys it’s crude oil.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1722921871748767962.html
China went around the World and created a buyers club think OPEC but on the demand side.
The buyers club is now the new SWING DEMANDER.
They store massive, massive, massive quantities of oil. So they go on a buyers strike. Use their storage instead. The media reports it as a drop in Chinese demand.
There’s no drop in demand the buyers club the new swing demander just use their storage instead.
What you have just witnessed in the oil market since July as oil dropped over $20.
Then the buyers club move in and gobble up oil at cheaper prices.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 11:48 utc | 184

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 11:31 utc | 186
The reason China created the Shanghi exchange and the buyers club.
Is because the $ was put on an oil standard during Trump’s first term. The West are manipulating the oil price higher via Enron pre pay techniques to support the US shale guys.
That’s what the US policy energy dominance did.
Producers, shale guys, OPEC etc all want higher prices.
China, Eurozone , and others don’t. Every time oil goes higher it costs them billions.
It is all geopolitics.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 11:56 utc | 185

Another voice on the topic of who is in charge, US or Israel:
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/10/14/israel-does-what-does-was-always-planned-this-way/
Alistair Crooke again quotes Hudson to lay out the imperialist view of the world.
Ultimately Zionists and US power elite form one group with a common goal and a common ideology. The question of who is boss is actually meaningless.

Posted by: Hamburger | Oct 15 2024 12:03 utc | 186

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 11:31 utc | 186
Canuck did you not ask yourself a couple of things.
a) Why during the biggest inflation period in recent memory did the $ stay really really strong ?
b) Why now inflation has dropped the $ is weak ?
It turned the economic textbooks inside out and upside down. Did you notice ?
Why ?
Because Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharpio during Trump’s first term put the $ on an oil standard under Their energy dominance strategy.
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts the $ index since 2017/18 now tracks the crude price.
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts all major $ currency pairs now track the crude price.
This is how they did it
https://seekingalpha.com/author/chris-cook/analysis
The oil market is now like Enron it is a pre pay market as the US manipulates the price of Brent via pre pay techniques. A central bank for oil.
If you know the direction oil is going in you can now clean up in the FX markets. Which I have been doing for 3 years now since I found out what Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Sharpio did.
You should thank me I have given you a ticket to the ride.
That’s what the Shanghai exchange was all about. Not some gold bug fantasies.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 12:09 utc | 187

I find it funny.
The gold bugs always wanted the $ backed by gold. During Trump’s first term they got the oil standard instead.
It is hilarious ain’t it.
Fools never noticed, they still think there is a pre 2017/18 inverse relationship between the $ and oil.
Check the charts. The $ is now in an oil standard.
Why it is now so very easy to trade the FX markets and take money from these fools.
China knew what was going on. Had to do something so created the Shanghai exchange and the buyers club. The new SWING DEMANDER.
Store massive quantities and go On a buyers strike to bring the price of oil down. While the US are manipulating it higher via tri party Enron pre pay to help the shale guys.
It is all geopolitics.
China isn’t buying gold bricks to go on the gold standard they ain’t that stupid. They buy gold bricks as collateral for their flakey tea pot refineries credit lines.
BRICS is a savings system not a payment system.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 12:24 utc | 188

Rex Tillerson
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 11:40 utc | 187
Ho ! Long time I’ve not heard that name : The Venezuelan tamper tantrum Exxon guy ? “Boo Boo : Chavez kick me out from pumping the oil there wile payin’ nothing back to the commies, let’s regime change to Maduro ! : here is the new president Guyado !”
Funny how this cunt actions & sanctions drop local production from 6 to .9 and made the global oil prices skyrocket for a time 🙂
Now Exxon is stealing the offshore Venezuelan oil via horizontal drilling in “Guyana”, let’s see how long it can last ^^ : things has already getting tense between Maduro and Guyana.
The Kikes are doing the same with Lebanon RN ; they signed with Beirut for “Leviathan” then started a war to not share the profits with anybody and share even less for the part offshore Gaza : how it’s gonna work for them ? Jihad or not Jihad ? … it’s not even more a question.

Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 15 2024 12:35 utc | 189

Perhaps this story was the groundwork for “justifying” US missiles and crews to Israel. Classic projection.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Oct 15 2024 12:39 utc | 190

So the big lie has been revealed: the Axis of Resistance is either impotent or indeed complicit in the destruction of Northern Gaza by Israel. This shows that symbolic acts of resistance, fireworks in effect, all too often announced ahead of time, serve the purpose of mediatically serving as justification for the IDF to commit genocide in Gaza while costing Israel very little in terms of damage to infrastructure, both military and intelligence. In effect its choreography as Orwell predicted.

Posted by: Ludovic | Oct 15 2024 12:45 utc | 191

Information war is already in quantum stage. Here’s the next level.
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1845793336067588523?t=NoYocb4F43om5VyEzP-96A&s=19
Sky news now headlines idfsoldiers deaths are Israeli teenagers, wtf Google plexus

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 15 2024 12:46 utc | 192

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 11:31 utc | 186
The critical capability is being able to unload a lot of ordnance by means of airpower/missiles with minimal losses on most countries, as well the unilateral sanctions regime.
These are still somewhat effective: few countries have nuclear arsenals, air defenses capable of standing up to the strikes the USAF/USN can deliver and economic resiliency.
Most governments will balk at that and go along.
All out genocidal warfare (starvation inducing blockades, and unrestricted use of airpower against civilians) might also be deployed openly against recalcitrants once Gaza establish it as succesful precedent.

Posted by: Satepestage | Oct 15 2024 12:50 utc | 193

This is the real kicker Canuck.
Without actually having to spill the beans about the $ now being On an oil stabdard. As it is a good money earned for me. I was trying to tell you for months BRICS won’t crash the $.
Now you know the truth. The truth is out the $ is On an oil standard.
When the Saudi’s used T bills to inflate the price for oil they called that the Petro $ system.
It wasn’t a full on Petro $ system but it is now since the $ is in an oil standard. What we have now since 2017/18 is a full on petro $ system.
Oil goes up $ goes up.
Oil goes down $ goes down.
BRICS countries want higher oil prices, producers want higher prices.
Not that the $ is On an oil standard what does BRICS mean for the $ ?

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 12:53 utc | 194

Boeing may be losing market share rapidly considering all her issues, they’re not selling any new planes, just pushing already sold orders out. The workers are striking as the company is facing it fiercest headwinds. Don’t give up on Russia avionics uet

Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 15 2024 13:02 utc | 195

ISW reports that contradict Ukraine statements ( possibility) to happening now of North Korea troops seem to be the latestbus worded psyop to disguise EU placing their own troops into Ukraine battlefields. Who would think big lies the opposite of what’s actually happening g would be now the standard headlines on tell lies with vision and associated presstiute gangs

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 15 2024 13:05 utc | 196

Oil goes up
GBP/USD, EUR/USD, AUS/USD, NZD/USD goes down.
Oil goes up
USD/CAD, USD/JPY, USD/CHF goes up.
And vice versa.
Check the yearly and 5 yearly charts, chart the $ currency pairs v crude price.
It may come as shock to some on Moon Of Alabama, that Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Shaprio from Morgan Stanley put the $ on an oil standard during Trump’s first term.
Well you have heard it here first. Like you heard it here first Obama visited downing street to free Julian Assange.
But people were catching on in 2018
Here:
https://www.macrovoices.com/podcast-transcripts/419-chris-cook-energy-markets-are-manipulated-in-multiple-timeframes
A very thorough detailed conversation of what Rex Tillerson, Gary Cohen and John Shaprio were actually doing in the Whitehouse.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 13:25 utc | 197

Look at the prices to passenger seats ratios for whatever plane made in Russia below. Even despite the lower numbers produced, they are infinitely cheaper across the board:
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 14 2024 19:42 utc | 86
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In addition…
Have you ever heard of lost cabin doors on an IL or a Russian plane in general? Or even a crashed Russian plane (which also applies to military jets) which, strangely enough, nobody talks about here and the “accidents” in the West, especially US jets!
Not to mention the many Boeing breakdowns.
The only shortcoming so far has been the engines and their consumption. Consumption plays a major role in the price war between Airlines in the West, but not in Russia given the fuel prices, so there was a lack of incentive for engineers and also the state, which did not put any pressure on this criterion.
THANKS to sanctions and the existing interest of all southern countries in inexpensive Russian planes without the expensive maintenance contracts, because here too, as always with Russian exports…engineers are trained with and on the product. Wait 2 to 4 years and Boeing and Airbus will lose orders in large numbers in the south and east. All of this depends on the dollar and its value, and the cohesion of the BRICS as a whole – who is buying from whom, at what price and in which currency.

Posted by: ossi | Oct 15 2024 13:31 utc | 198

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 15 2024 12:53 utc | 201
I disagree; you are confused mistaking tradition as power: you believe that pricing in Sovereign coinage/currency stands for supreme political and military power.
The Western Roman Empire fell in 476 BC yet in Europe the Roman silver denarius was still used for ‘pricing ‘ till the 15th century even though there were few denarius left and no Roman army or no Roman politicians having any power 1,000 years later.(1)
1. ” At first glance, the coinage of the early Middle Ages might appear to be a simplified imitation of the examples left behind by the late Roman Empire. This is true to a certain extent: the coinage of the earliest medieval societies, such as the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, and Vandals, worked within the iconographic language of their Roman predecessors, albeit with a very noticeable change in identity. These coins continued using the standard formula of Roman Imperial coinage: usually displaying the portrait of the ruler on the obverse and a culturally relevant or religious image on the reverse. Beginning in the sixth century, some portraiture examples of the new leaders in Europe began to transition from imitating the cropped hair and crowned profiles of the Romans to proudly presenting the long-haired, mustached faces typical of the barbarian cultural aesthetic.
This initial trend of developing upon the Roman model would continue as the Middle Ages progressed and the new cultural divisions of Europe became more and more established. Stronger rulers such as Charlemagne (r. 768-814) in Francia or Offa (r. 757-96) in Anglo-Saxon Mercia would usher in currency reforms, which contributed to the establishment of weights and denominations in medieval coinage. Throughout the early Middle Ages, European denominations would center on the unit of the silver Roman denarius, becoming the “denier” in France, “denaro” in Italy, “dinero” in Spain, and “penny” in England (all weighing between 1g and 2g). This term would even find its way into medieval Muslim coinage as the gold “dinar.” By the high Middle Ages, new, regional denominations would emerge such as the Venetian silver and gold ducat (at 2.18g and 3.56g respectively), the Florentine gold florin (3.54g), and the French golden écu (varying weights). Most coins were issued from mints in capital cities and large, important cities across Europe.” 92)
2.https://libguides.ucalgary.ca/c.php?g=534419&p=3655950

Posted by: canuck | Oct 15 2024 13:37 utc | 199

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2024 18:52 utc | 70
Wasn’t the Sukhoi Superjet designed twice – first with Western engines, then with Russian ones?
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 14 2024 20:55 utc | 102
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NO
Russian military aircraft were NEVER developed and planned with Western engines.
Why do all Russian jets have 2 engines?
Right, initially for performance but also for reliability. INITIALLY!
At the moment there are other reasons for this, which concern safety and the reliable return of the jets in an emergency, and also for performance, because of the special high-density fuel that an F16 or an F35, for example, needs to achieve similar engine performance at high altitudes (air pressure/temperature), all of this is technically easier to solve with 2 engines and also delivers better performance than comparable Western jets and that applies to everyone, including European development.
That is why China has also taken over the development with 2 engines from the Russians. In 1989, after the fall of East Germany, the Russians simply left a complete squadron of Mig 29s behind in the former GDR. The Mig 29 was considered the best fighter in the world at that time, and the USA quickly brought this squadron in to study it… its weak point was the engines, but the rest of the flight characteristics, armament, etc. were better than what the West had.

Posted by: ossi | Oct 15 2024 13:46 utc | 200

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