Fake Reports Of Missile Transfers To Russia Are Used To Sanction Iran
Fake news reports have claimed, based on anonymous sources, that Iran has delivered ballistic missiles to Russia for use in the war in Ukraine.
Iran strongly denies to have sent any such missiles. Ukraine has not reported the impact of any such missile on its territory . There is zero evidence that any missile transfer has happened.
In September the U.S. and the UK imposed new sanctions on Iran mostly effecting its civil air line traffic. Now the EU is following with similar sanctions. These sanctions are claimed to be in punishment for missile transfers - which did not happen.
Outside of UN Security Council decisions all economic sanctions like travel impediments are in opposition to the rules of the Word Trade Organization and have no legal basis.
Let's follow the trail:
The first fake scare about Iranian missile transfer to Russia appeared in February 21. Reuters headlined:
Exclusive: Iran sends Russia hundreds of ballistic missiles
DUBAI, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Iran has provided Russia with a large number of powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, six sources told Reuters, deepening the military cooperation between the two U.S.-sanctioned countries.Iran's provision of around 400 missiles includes many from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons, such as the Zolfaghar, three Iranian sources said. This road-mobile missile is capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles), experts say.
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The shipments began in early January after a deal was finalised in meetings late last year between Iranian and Russian military and security officials that took place in Tehran and Moscow, one of the Iranian sources said.An Iranian military official - who, like the other sources, asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information - said there had been at least four shipments of missiles and there would be more in the coming weeks. He declined to provide further details. Another senior Iranian official said some of the missiles were sent to Russia by ship via the Caspian Sea, while others were transported by plane.
"There will be more shipments," the second Iranian official said. "There is no reason to hide it. We are allowed to export weapons to any country that we wish to." ... A fourth source, familiar with the matter, confirmed that Russia had received a large number of missiles from Iran recently, without providing further details.
On March 15 the leaders of the U.S. controlled G-7 group of western countries reacted to the Reuters report:
We are extremely concerned about reports that Iran is considering transferring ballistic missiles and related technology to Russia after having supplied the Russian regime with UAVs, which are used in relentless attacks against the civilian population in Ukraine.
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Were Iran to proceed with providing ballistic missiles or related technology to Russia, we are prepared to respond swiftly and in a coordinated manner including with new and significant measures against Iran.
Nothing came of that. Not one Iranian missile appeared in Russia or Ukraine and no further statements were made.
However, a Reuters piece in August 2024 noted in an aside:
Reuters reported in February on deepening military cooperation between Iran and Russia and on Moscow's interest in Iranian surface-to-surface missiles.Sources told the news agency at the time that around 400 Fateh-110 longer-range surface-to-surface ballistic missiles had been delivered. But the European intelligence sources told Reuters that according to their information, no transfer had happened yet.
Ukrainian authorities have not publicly reported finding any Iranian missile remnants or debris during the war.
The Reuters February 21 'exclusive', based on six anonymous sources, had turned out to be completely fake news. One wonders if those "three Iranian sources" Reuters had claimed to have talked to spoke Hebrew.
The shame over having issued a fake report did not prevent Reuters from issuing a similar fake report, covering a different type of missiles, just six month after the first one.
Exclusive: Iran to deliver hundreds of ballistic missiles to Russia soon, intel sources say
Aug 9 (Reuters) - Dozens of Russian military personnel are being trained in Iran to use the Fath-360 close-range ballistic missile system, two European intelligence sources told Reuters, adding that they expected the imminent delivery of hundreds of the satellite-guided weapons to Russia for its war in Ukraine.Russian defence ministry representatives are believed to have signed a contract on Dec. 13 in Tehran with Iranian officials for the Fath-360 and another ballistic missile system built by Iran's government-owned Aerospace Industries Organization (AIO) called the Ababil, according to the intelligence officials, who requested anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters.
Citing multiple confidential intelligence sources, the officials said that Russian personnel have visited Iran to learn how to operate the Fath-360 defence system, which launches missiles with a maximum range of 120 km (75 miles) and a warhead of 150 kg. One of the sources said that that "the only next possible" step after training would be actual delivery of the missiles to Russia.
The usual back and forth followed with the U.S. threatening sanctions and Iran denying that any transfers were taking place:
A spokesman for the U.S. National Security Council said the United States and its NATO allies and G7 partners "are prepared to deliver a swift and severe response if Iran were to move forward with such transfers."
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Iran's permanent mission to the United Nations in New York said in a statement that the Islamic Republic had forged a long-term strategic partnership with Russia in various areas, including military cooperation."Nevertheless, from an ethical standpoint, Iran refrains from transferring any weapons, including missiles, that could potentially be used in the conflict with Ukraine until it is over," the statement said.
A month after the second Reuters missile fantasy report the U.S. decided to take up the theme. An 'Exclusive' Wall Street Journal piece said:
U.S. Tells Allies Iran Has Sent Ballistic Missiles to Russia
European officials say Europe and U.S. are working on a sanctions response to Iran’s move
Updated Sept. 6, 2024 5:05 pm ETIran has sent short-range ballistic missiles to Russia, according to U.S. and European officials, a move that gives Moscow another potent military tool in its war against Ukraine and follows stern Western warnings not to provide those arms to Moscow.
A day later Natasha Bertrand, the spokes' spokesperson at CNN, 'confirmed' those claims:
Iran recently transferred short-range ballistic missiles to Russia to use in the war against Ukraine, according to two sources familiar with the intelligence, completing a delivery that US and Western officials had warned was in the works for almost a year.
The claim that a missile transfer deal was 'in the works for almost a year' is weird. The first Reuters report in February was about medium range Fateh 110 missiles while the August report was about short range Fateh 360s. Those are two completely different systems. How do they constitute one deal?
The vague 'intelligence' claims were followed by more threats of sanctions:
National Security Council spokesperson Sean Savett told CNN in a statement that “any transfer of Iranian ballistic missiles to Russia would represent a dramatic escalation in Iran’s support” for the Kremlin in its invasion of Ukraine.“We have been warning of the deepening security partnership between Russia and Iran since the outset of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and are alarmed by these reports. We and our partners have made clear both at the G7 and at the NATO summits this summer that together we are prepared to deliver significant consequences,” Savett said.
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Iran’s Permanent Mission to the United Nations denied the transfer had been carried out in statement to CNN.“Iran’s position vis-à-vis the Ukraine conflict remains unchanged. Iran considers the provision of military assistance to the parties engaged in the conflict—which leads to increased human casualties, destruction of infrastructure, and a distancing from ceasefire negotiations—to be inhumane. Thus, not only does Iran abstain from engaging in such actions itself, but it also calls upon other countries to cease the supply of weapons to the sides involved in the conflict,” the statement said.
The official Iranian denial did not help. Just three days later the U.S. and UK imposed new sanctions on Iran:
The UK government is today announcing new and significant measures against Iran and Russia, following the Iranian regime’s transfer of ballistic missiles to Russia for use on the battlefield in Ukraine.In coordination with our international partners, the UK will cancel its bilateral air services arrangements with Iran, which will restrict Iran Air’s ability to fly in to the UK.
The NY Times stenographed the U.S. version:
Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken accused Iran on Tuesday of shipping short-range ballistic missiles to Russia for use in Ukraine and said that the Biden administration was imposing more sanctions against Tehran. The penalties include measures against Iran Air, the country’s main airline, he said.Russia is likely to use the missiles “within weeks in Ukraine against Ukrainians,” Mr. Blinken said at a news conference in London with the British foreign secretary, David Lammy. He added that dozens of Russian soldiers have been training in Iran to use the missiles, the Fath-360 model with a range of 75 miles, and that the United States had shared intelligence in recent days with its allies on Iran’s aid.
Five weeks later zero Iranian missiles have appeared in the skies over Ukraine.
Still, the European Poodles also made noise about imposing their own missile sanctions over Iran.
Iran was aghast:
Iran has condemned planned EU sanctions in response to its alleged delivery of ballistic missiles to Russia, in a social media post by Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi."I clearly said, and reiterate once again: we've NOT provided ballistic missiles to Russia," Araghchi posted on X. "If Europe needs a case to appease Israel's blackmail, better find another story."
The EU member states plan to impose the new sanctions on Monday.
Seyed Abbas Araghchi @araghchi - 22:58 UTC · Sep 10, 2024
Once again, US and E3 act on faulty intelligence and flawed logic- Iran has NOT delivered ballistic missiles to Russia. Period
- Sanction addicts should ask themselves: how is Iran able to make & supposedly sell sophisticated arms?Sanctions r NOT a solution, but part of problem
Seyed Abbas Araghchi @araghchi - 6:11 UTC · Oct 13, 2024In a meeting with @JosepBorrellF and @enriquemora in NY, I said the following:
1- Iran-Russia military cooperation is not new; has a history, long before the Ukrainian crisis began.
2- Some Europeans have provided Israeli regime with all kinds of sophisticated weapons, and anxiously engaged in military operation against Iran.
3- US Maximum Pressure policy is still in place, and business community in Europe follows OFAC instructions in full.
I clearly said, and reiterate once again: we've NOT provided ballistic missiles to Russia. If Europe needs a case to appease Israel's blackmail, better find another story.
Today, despite those vehement Iranian denials, the European Poodles imposed additional sanctions on Iran:
EU includes Iran Air in sanctions over missile transfer to Russia
Oct 14 (Reuters) - The European Union agreed on Monday to impose sanctions on seven people and seven organisations, including airline Iran Air, for their links to Iranian transfers of ballistic missiles to Russia.The listings also include Saha Airlines and Mahan Air and Iran's Deputy Defence Minister Seyed Hamzeh Ghalandari.
Last month, the United States, citing intelligence it said had been shared with allies, said Russia had received ballistic missiles from Iran for its war in Ukraine.
Washington immediately imposed sanctions on ships and companies it said were involved in weapons transfers. Following the U.S. allegations, Iran's President Masoud Pezeshkian said his government had not transferred any weapons to Russia since it took office in August.
Russia is mass producing its own long range and short missile and neither of the Iranian systems, the Fateh 110 or the Fateh 360, are superior to them.
Just yesterday the former president of Ukrainian Vladimir Zelensky claimed that Russia, within one week, had launched more then 900 glide bombs onto Ukraine:
Over the past week, Russia has fired hundreds of bombs and dozens of missiles at Ukraine. The Russian invaders also attacked Ukraine with 400 drones, according to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.This week alone, the Russians used about 900 guided aerial bombs, more than 40 missiles, and 400 attack drones of various types against Ukraine.
The most recent versions of the Russian glide bombs (the equivalent if the U.S. JDAM) can hit targets at a distance of some 80 kilometer from its launch point. It thus has about the same range as the Fateh 360 missiles Iran is claimed to have transferred to Russia. The Russian glide bombs carry about 1 ton of explosives while a Fateh 360 carries some 150 kilogram.
Why would Russia need Fatah 360 missiles when it is mass producing and using bombs of superior quality? Why would Russia need Fateh 110 missiles (range 300km, warhead 500kg) when it is mass producing and using Iskander missiles (range 500kg, warhead 750 kg) of superior capability?
The Reuters report in February 2024 about the transfer of Fateh 110 missiles had turned to have been fake.
The Reuters report in August 2024 about the transfer of Fateh 360 missiles was most likely also fake. Iran has strongly denied any such transfer at the highest level and zero such missiles have turned up in Russia or Ukraine. There is in fact no need for Russia to acquire such missiles as its own ones have at least the same capabilities.
In September the U.S picked up from the fake Reuters reports and claimed to have its own intelligence about an alleged missile transfer. It did not provide any evidence to support such claims.
The U.S. and the UK immediately imposed sanctions of Iran. The EU followed a month later. The sanctions imposed will (again) ban flights by Iranian airlines from and to Europe.
This will be of significant inconvenience for Iranian as well as European travelers.
These new sanctions are, despite opposing claims, obviously not related to any missile transfers between Iran and Russia as no such transfers have taken place.
Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi is likely correct when he asserts that these sanctions are happening solely "to appease Israel's blackmail".
However it is wrong to solely speak of 'Israel's blackmail'. This blackmailing of Europe is in fact done by the U.S in collaboration with Israel just as 'Israeli crimes' are in fact 'U.S.-Israeli crimes'.
"When we talk about 'Israeli crimes,' the framing is misleading, because they are U.S.-Israeli crimes. Whatever Israel does is either implicitly or explicitly authorized by the United States, which provides economic, diplomatic, military, and ideological support, and U.S. presidents can alter Israeli policy and restrain Israel’s violence when they choose to do so.When we talk about Israel, we should remember that in an important sense we are talking about ourselves."
- Noam Chomsky
Posted by b on October 14, 2024 at 15:33 UTC | Permalink
next page »On the face of this the story is absurd. The idea behind it is to continue to promote the idea that Russia is severely short of arms and must go to Iran and North Korea to fortify its supply of missiles and arms. The reality is that Russia is out-producing the Empire in missiles and Iran needs every missile it can find to fight Israel/US who are both focused on conquering Iran. The way the Empire views reality is that all countries who oppose expanding the Empire must be destroyed--pure force must be applied or we (the Washington Empire) will lose the world domination sweepstakes to China.
First, however, we need to be clear that anything in the mainstream media is propaganda always. We all know that.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 2
Another side use this claim serves, I think, is trying to explain away how all those "Russia has run out of missiles/shells/ammo/something else!" propaganda headlines fail to match to reality. Western narrative pushers can easily pivot to justifying it with "Well, of course they have run out, and they obviously can't make anything, but they're being given missiles/shells/ammo/something else by Iran/Korea/China/India!".
Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 14 2024 15:53 utc | 3
thanks b...
financial control... sanctions is the name of the game and all sorts of bullshit rationale is given for it.. bottom line - the west - city of london/wall st - want total control and are using sanctions for this purpose..
iran - if russia and china don't stand with iran - the weakest member of this trio - they are going to have a big problem... i hope russia and china knows this...
middle east... is this really all about control of the oil? it looks like it to me..
@ c matt
exactly..
Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 15:54 utc | 4
@ ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 2
thanks... fascinating and i didn't know any of that..
Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 15:59 utc | 5
After 45 years of sanctions, Iran has survived and grown stronger. Europe has suffered from some of that.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 14 2024 16:01 utc | 7
The best way for Iran to prove they have not given ballistic missiles to Russia is to fire every single fucking ballistic missile they have at the Apartheid State. Every single one!
Cheers M
.....okay! okay! maybe they should keep a few dozen in reserve....for the after party.....
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 14 2024 16:02 utc | 8
Just to be safe, they've got a false flag against trump in the works. Don't even need to kill him, just 'attempt' and they can ramp up the zionazi support machine;
https://www.rt.com/news/605616-trump-biden-us-iran/
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 14 2024 16:06 utc | 10
iran - if russia and china don't stand with iran - the weakest member of this trio - they are going to have a big problem... i hope russia and china knows this...
Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 15:54 utc | 5
If you & I know this, of course Russia & China know it.
Iran is a critical crossroad in China's Belt Road/new silk road. That is a large part of why the US wants war with Iran. To stop China.
I voted for Trump over Hills largely because she would have started that war back in '17. Trump bought Iran precious time to prepare. I won't vote Trump (or Harris) now because 1. Gaza & 2. the Iran war is on & Trump is all for it. Bought & paid for.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 14 2024 16:12 utc | 13
Just the standard:
West screeching and feeling entitled to punish anyone anywhere for anything & making up the reason afterwards.
Hypocrisy is the continued mantra while committing either actual or financial genocide on Nation States.
I’ve nothing to say about it all anymore except it’s getting weary & boring hearing they’re whining. Russia & Iran, Cuba, North Korea & Venezuela & every other sanctioned bombed out country that doesn’t make a pack and set a date to obliterate the U.S. & UK and keeps whining like little idiot “victims”… I’ve no use for anymore.
There a loads of levers short of bombs that could be initiated as well, boycotts of UN, expulsions of ALL Western diplomats & closure of all Consulates & Embassies, a nation state initiative of leaving swift, trade embargo’s, oil embargo’s, on and on.
No patience anymore for the whining “unfair” sanctions ect. Executed by well known liars, murderers, cheats and hypocrites in the West.
Go to bed with dogs, wake up with fleas.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 14 2024 16:13 utc | 14
Whenever the western media say their info is from an "anonymous source" then treat it has complete bullshit.
Its more than likely either the intel services leaking shit to their favourite media or the editors themselves making the story up.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 14 2024 16:19 utc | 15
@ Mary | Oct 14 2024 16:12 utc | 14
thanks mary... things have gotten much worse since then, or maybe they have sped up and we are approaching a more critical turning point..
Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 16:20 utc | 16
What other sanctions are there which could have much of an effect on Iran? Iranian airlines are already blocked in the West (but I suspect will still be able to fly elsewhere).
And Iran, like Russia, does pretty well under sanctions - at least that was my experience during my last visit 5 years ago.
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 14 2024 16:23 utc | 17
Just changing the name in the title would make it much much more interesting :
"Fake Reports Of Missile Transfers To Israel Are Used To Sanction USA."
Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 14 2024 16:25 utc | 18
@b
Clearly this is an underhanded way of attacking Iran using an absurd pretext. The only interesting aspect is who benefits? It is the usual suspects US + Israel. Shameful to the max.
Occupied Palestine must be liberated to end this madness we are seeing materialized in all kinds of ways.
@ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 2
Very interesting... lots of technical details there.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2024 16:33 utc | 19
Iran should just seal off the Strait of Hormuz on general principles.
Posted by: River Churning Clam | Oct 14 2024 16:33 utc | 20
"The U.S. and the UK immediately imposed sanctions of Iran. The EU followed a month later. The sanctions imposed will (again) ban flights by Iranian airlines from and to Europe.
This will be of significant inconvenience for Iranian as well as European travelers."
This may well be true. However, I very much doubt it. Probably just more lies and bullshit as is imminent WW3
If you want to travel to London from Iran tomorrow, you can
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Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 16:35 utc | 21
Well I’m certainly glad that the west is not supplying missiles or other weapons to Israel or the ukraine. Imagine how hypocritical that would look to the rest of the world.
Posted by: Fred777 | Oct 14 2024 16:40 utc | 22
Russia does not need ballistic missiles, but Russia offers to Iran and DPR Korea the possibility to test, in real war condtions,balistic missiles made in Iran or DPR Korea. The effectiveness of weapons is seen in war.
Posted by: Surena | Oct 14 2024 16:41 utc | 23
Great thought surena, maybe they did send a couple just to see the results and the nazi controlled media ran with a 'fictionalized account'.
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 14 2024 16:46 utc | 24
What kind of sanctions would be appropriate against a country that supplied the weapons used by the IDF in the attack on the UN forces?
Posted by: CIROC | Oct 14 2024 16:47 utc | 25
Europe, again, shooting itself in the foot. USIS has Europe in a strangle hold and with Atlanticist sock puppets like Ursula VdL given another 5 year term, this won't change anytime soon.
Posted by: xor | Oct 14 2024 16:48 utc | 26
@Fred777 | Oct 14 2024 16:40 utc | 23
You nailed it. They ALWAYS accuse others of doing what they do themselves.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2024 16:49 utc | 27
Looks like a pattern of baseless accusations to prevent legal trade using illegal sanctions:
🇺🇦🇷🇺🇰🇵North Korea is now effectively joining the war against Ukraine, Zelensky said.https://t.me/intelslava/68399"The DPRK is actively joining the war on the side of the Russian Federation. According to the GUR, Russia has plans for the fall and winter that take into account support from the DPRK," he said.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2024 16:57 utc | 28
I have heard reports that Russia is sending many cargo planes to Syria.
Col. Jacques Baud: Will lsrael's
THAAD Defense System Stop
Iran's Devastating Attack?
https://www.youtube.com/live/eEtql91rzZE?si=8nJgSfc84D8Vhd69
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 14 2024 16:58 utc | 29
@Fred777 | Oct 14 2024 16:40 utc | 23
"You nailed it. They ALWAYS accuse others of doing what they do themselves."
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2024 16:49 utc | 27
Freud called it 'projection'-an ego defense mechanism
"Iran should just seal off the Strait of Hormuz on general principles."
Posted by: River Churning Clam | Oct 14 2024 16:33 utc | 20
That would be a clumsy move as it would impact China more than the West; China is an ally of Iran.
Posted by: Savonarole | Oct 14 2024 16:25 utc | 19
"Fake Reports Of Missile Transfers To Israel Are Used To Sanction USA."
Yes, except that you need to delete the word 'fake' in that case. And of course 'sanction USA' is not believable - yet.
As for the title of the article - when lies are all you have to fire, that's what you fire
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Oct 14 2024 17:02 utc | 32
Dima has reported this...
N. Korea likely to send troops to Ukraine in support of Russia: S. Korea's defense chief
Not sure why others have not gone in to train their armies. This episode of warfare is new and takes war to a new level.
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 14 2024 17:06 utc | 33
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/10/13/un-troops-in-lebanon-can-shoot-back-at-israel/
U.N. peacekeepers in Lebanon are permitted to use force in several circumstances, including self-defense and prevention of hostile action in its area of deployment, writes Joe Lauria.
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 14 2024 17:07 utc | 34
Dima has reported this...
N. Korea likely to send troops to Ukraine in support of Russia: S. Korea's defense chief
Not sure why others have not gone in to train their armies. This episode of warfare is new and takes war to a new level.
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 14 2024 17:06 utc | 33
I agree.
China, North Korea and Iranian military would be, IMO, neglectful if they are not monitoring the new way of making war.
Missiles to Russia ain't nothing. Now those dastardly Iranians are planning to assassinate Trump. Unnamed anonymous sources say so. Why would Iran do that? Reasons.
And Trump is stupid enough to believe it and go along with it. Think, man! That'll make the cover story easier to sell to the masses.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 14 2024 17:12 utc | 36
WARNING! Given the current state of technology, charging blocks and cables should be checked for supply chain attacks.
I think we have to add that to our earlier discussion.
There are cables and charging blocks that could perform an exploit on a device. The compromised device could then reach out to a control point and download or transmit anything.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 14 2024 17:14 utc | 37
@ Mary | Oct 14 2024 16:12 utc | 14
thanks mary... things have gotten much worse since then, or maybe they have sped up and we are approaching a more critical turning point..
Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 16:20 utc | 16
Their Ukraine project is crumbling before their eyes. Their "game-changing" wonder-weapons are changing the game...in entirely the wrong way. Israel is flailing. Their vassals are starting to rebel. Their populations are growing restive. Reality keeps leaking through their propaganda. The pressure is on.
The slow collapse is accelerating.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 14 2024 17:14 utc | 38
Sorry I accidentally went a little crazy on the bold type there.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 14 2024 17:15 utc | 39
Sorry I accidentally went a little crazy there.
FIFY!
Posted by: g wiltek | Oct 14 2024 17:18 utc | 41
Meanwhile, back in reality...
What did happen is Russia shipped a lot of gear to Iran a while ago. I'm wondering if that stopped or if they're continuously flying and shipping stuff in.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 14 2024 17:21 utc | 42
Europe is not forced to walk the path of submission to US onterests. Europe has chosen to do so. The elite and the commoners in Europe still dream the American dream. They feel themselves so superior, so strong, compared with Slavic subhumans. Europe is eager to die for America. They love that sacrifice.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 14 2024 17:21 utc | 43
What would be really useful is a list of assassinations by country responsible, I'll start:
Iran: can't find any confirmed, not counting legal executions after a trial
Israel: too many to count but here's a list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations
US: too many to count but here's a list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinations_by_the_United_States
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 14 2024 17:22 utc | 44
g wiltek | Oct 14 2024 17:18 utc | 41
Lol. Good one. Source:
https://youtu.be/sRmVEnP-EXs?si=2eVoMDzWwMrJ4lqu
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 14 2024 17:23 utc | 45
The problem is - 100 or 300 Million people who think their TV and News Media is God - thinks and now Knows for sure - that Iran sent missiles to Russia.And they could give a shit what happens - way over Here ! And who in Washington is going to blow the whistle and tell the Pravda ? No One. In American culture , Money overrides the Truth because their culture - is Money.
Posted by: GMC | Oct 14 2024 17:25 utc | 46
Who the fuck cares, what difference does it make? Iran has been sanctioned to the point of embargo by the US and Israel, that's what this whole BRICKS thing is about, the multipolar world. The US overplayed their hand, the wire was bent too many times. There is no increasing sanctions, the threat is a dead letter. I'm disappointed b failed to conclude his thoughts, this was all a TLDR post. His worst! (not hating)
Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 14 2024 17:29 utc | 47
Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1
Even the insurmountable Irondome must have weakened somewhat during the last rocket attack by the Iranians - why else would the Americans announce the stationing of THAAD in Israel with US soldiers a few days later, e.g. (https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/usa -stationing-new-missile-defense-system-in-israel-a-237b65bf-8bfd-4237-90b4-5790de7c1b8f)
However, we in the West were not allowed to learn anything about the effect of Iranian missiles on Israeli military bases.
Everything as always: kill rate 100%, only Ukraine manages 120.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Oct 14 2024 17:38 utc | 48
Alastair Crooke : Is Israel America’s Tool or Boss?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZfnXDpEqc
Alastair gives John Mearsheimer a history lesson.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 17:39 utc | 49
I wish Russia would deploying S400 systems in Iran to protect their oil infrastructure. After all, oil infrastructure is a civilian target.
Who else noticed that in all of the 'bomb Iran' talks it's assumed that that Israel should destroy Iranian oil infrastructure. While Iran targets military bases in Israel; Israel targets civilian infrastructure in Iran and this is considered moderate.
It looks like Russia is content to let her allies get picked off one by one.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 14 2024 17:52 utc | 51
Posted by: Scottindallas | Oct 14 2024 17:29 utc | 47
"The US overplayed their hand, the wire was bent too many times. There is no increasing sanctions, the threat is a dead letter."
Agreed
Don't be disappointed in "b". He not only wrote about all the fakery, lies and bullshit, he even proved it, with some pretty solid evidence.
Once you are certain, that someone has been repeatedly lying ( usually because liars can't remember their own lies (whilst the truth is easy to remember), you tend not to trust them much about anything any more.
Liars are their own worst enemies. If you've f'cked up, tell the truth and say sorry
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 17:53 utc | 52
...iran - if russia and china don't stand with iran - the weakest member of this trio - they are going to have a big problem... i hope russia and china knows this...
...
Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 15:54 utc | 4
This Rianovosti article had a side note that caught my attention:
(russian)
Туристов тут ждут! Кто и как получает визу в Россию
(yandex translated to english)
Tourists are welcome here! Who gets a visa to Russia and how
"Количество отказов по электронной визе минимально — менее одного процента, хотя ранее, например, по Ирану оно могло доходить до 50 процентов", — отмечает гендиректор "Интуриста" и вице-президента АТОР по въездному туризму Александр Мусихин. К тому же такая виза в три раза дешевле бумажной.
"The number of e-visa refusals is minimal — less than one percent, although earlier, for example, in Iran it could reach 50 percent, "said Alexander Musikhin, General Director of Intourist and ATOR Vice President for Inbound Tourism. In addition, such a visa is three times cheaper than a paper one.
I'm not quite sure how to parse this. Why have they singled out Iran in this article? Are they contrasting the "new" system versus the "old"? Is it only in the past, that Iran could see 50% visa rejection rate? Can Iran now also expect rejection rate to drop to 1% ?
Posted by: retroflecks | Oct 14 2024 18:01 utc | 53
I waatched some US feneral on FOX news. He was talking about bombing Iran. He was talking as it was some everyday normal job, or car racing. That was something "Israel shall do in any way". The general considered the West and Israel so superior that there was zero doubt in his voice.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 14 2024 18:04 utc | 54
Sukhoi, Irkut, Tupolev and others manufacture some pretty decent commercial aircraft. They have for many years. It is now over 10 years since the sanctions began on Russia.
How can it be, that Russia has yet failed to capitalize on US and European sanctions, and is not supplying aircraft to over half the world by now? Worse still, how can it be that Russia itself, as well as Iran and China, all still rely on Western aircraft for a significant portion of their commercial fleets??
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 14 2024 18:05 utc | 55
Just more bricks in the trade wall the west is erecting between the west and rest. Imo This goes with the big new tariffs on Chinese e-cars that will protect us high cost mfrs from lower cost/more efficient producers. As time goes on the us will be unable to compete with any exports including over priced arms and, eventually, food. And, fracking is peaking, meaning energy exports will wane.
Granted, Iran is too small to be self sufficient in all things, but imo they will find they can trade profitably with BRICS and others.
Posted by: John k | Oct 14 2024 18:12 utc | 56
[email protected] of Medak Pocket. The only difference is the attacking side in Croatia had no air support and were not prepared for the Canadians to fight back as well as they did. The battle lasted two days before reinforcements arrived to unblock the Canadians.
In Lebanon, unfortunately any UN retaliation would be met with aerial bombardment. Not really a fair fight.
On a serious note, when Paeta Hess-von Kruedener was murdered along with three fellow peacekeepers in Lebanon the Canadian government dragged its ass, not sure there was even an official inquiry. I do know his widow had to fight tooth and nail for info on why her husband, a UN commander, was deliberately attacked and killed by the Apartheid State. The only reason to outright kill UN peacekeepers is if they are witnesses to War Crimes, which this group of peacekeepers had. They were in the process of reporting such when their position was wiped out.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 14 2024 18:14 utc | 57
how can it be that Russia itself, as well as Iran and China, all still rely on Western aircraft for a significant portion of their commercial fleets??
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 14 2024 18:05 utc | 55
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Boeing is heavily subsidized. When Russia, Iran or China buy Boeing they are free-riding on the coattails of US subsidies.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 18:15 utc | 58
Given the situation with Israel, one would have thought that Iran would keep its missiles for itself, just in case ...
Unless there is an option to swap missiles for other technology it needs to fight off attacks from Israel. If a technology swap is a possibility, one would have thought NATO and the US would have much bigger worries than a few ballistic missiles finding their way to Russia.
Posted by: Marvin | Oct 14 2024 18:28 utc | 59
Many have asked about the value of these most recent sanctions which are essentially whining. The new Iranian presidential administration has now been schooled twice about Western duplicity and must now admit the obvious that the West can't be trusted about anything.
Big Picture says the West (which includes Japan, Australia, RoK and New Zealand) is losing across the board--its weapons and militaries are near useless, and their economies are mostly in recession or worse when genuine factors are considered, not the fantastical FIRE sector parasitical consumption that's deemed revenues for GDP. And social indicators throughout the West are in decline almost universally, with the nations at the West's periphery--Asia--doing the best except for Japan. The West's last controlling devices--the international commerce and payments systems--are under siege and will soon be replaced by alternatives that render sanctions useless. The recent defeat suffered by the West at the ASEAN Summits is indicative of the Big Picture's direction.
Some in the West see the West Asian conflict with its genocide as a bright development where it can reassert its dominance atop the corpses of many thousands of Palestinians and other natives of the Levant, but the sad reality is they're brainwashed by their own propaganda. Western actions merely make the chasm between it and the Global Majority deepen on a daily basis. The cry now is to BDS all Western goods, not just Zionist. Comprador governments will exist for a few more years, but the populous from those nations are pursuing their own policy.
As for closing Hormuz, that's not needed because Ansarallah will target all Western tankers since they are clearly abetting the Genocide. The one uncertainly I have is the impact the cowardly comprador new BRICS members will have on its ability to reach consensus on its policy decisions. MbS has already abandoned the field; will MbZ follow suit? And what of Sissi? We'll find out soon enough. And what of Erdogan and the Turk's application? IMO, observer status is all that should be provided until he and the Turkish oligarchy cease being Western-minded.
Granted, Iran is too small to be self sufficient in all things, but imo they will find they can trade profitably with BRICS and others.Posted by: John k | Oct 14 2024 18:12 utc | 56
population: 89 million
theTrueSize.com map of Iran overlaid on Europe
theTrueSize.com map of Iran overlaid on US East Coast (rotated)
Posted by: retroflecks | Oct 14 2024 18:33 utc | 61
The US/Israel combo need to keep Europe hostage as exclusive market for their products which they will sell to Europe at estratospheric prices, like it happened with GNL once the Nord Stream piupelines blown out by the US, once competitors and freedom of commerce eliminated through sanctions, wars, invasionms and raw terrorism....
There is a not so despicable business interchange amongst Europe and Iran as it is the logical thing to do with eurasian neighbors with which European countries have kept diplomatic and commercial relations through millenia...
The ban on civilian airliners is directed at European businessmen...so that they definitely drow down...and their niche of business is occupied by BlackRock, Vanguard, etc...the same that is happening with agrobusiness, energy, and so on...
US/Israel/UK need to ruin Europe so that to keep it hostage for the survival of their fiat financiariced economy and far from its eurasian neighbors with which business is based in real value goods...
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 14 2024 18:34 utc | 62
Trump would be better off with Iranians as bodyguards to protect him from the American assassination attempts.
Asking for protection from the people who are trying to assassinate him is sheer idiocy.
Americans kill American Presidents, (although Israelis probably help, assist and support.)
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 14 2024 18:39 utc | 63
Reposted from previous thread, applicable here too:
https://jacobin.com/2024/10/destabilizing-iran-history-kamala-harris
Kamala Harris recently called Iran a “destabilizing, dangerous force” in the Middle East. The appropriate context for understanding this remark is the US’s own decades-long history of destabilizing Iran.
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 14 2024 18:41 utc | 64
Posted by: retroflecks | Oct 14 2024 18:01 utc | 53
"The number of e-visa refusals is minimal — less than one percent"
My wife and I used to travel around a lot as tourists. Travelling to India was the hardest to get a visa. We had to queue up at the Indian Embassy in London on our first attempt to travel to India.
A good old Irish friend of ours ( she climbs trees and cuts them down - still incredibly fit), comes round and asks us..
"I want to travel to Moscow" We said no problem...just fill out the form and go...but she then added I then want to travel to China, and stay in China with a Chinese Family for a few weeks, via the Trans Siberian Express.
So we sat down together, trying to work out how she could do it alone. This was a little bit more difficult to organise.. First of all you need to be invited by a Chinese Family...
We knew she would have no problem crossing any borders
Irish Girls travelling alone are Like That even in their 70's
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 18:41 utc | 65
Meanwhile, back at the Black Sea coast:
https://southfront.press/russian-missiles-hit-fourth-ship-with-nato-military-equipment-in-odessa/
"In the morning of October 14th, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched new wave of strikes on the southern Odessa region. Ukrainian port infrastructure and military airfields, where NATO is transferring weapons for the Ukrainian army, are coming under Russian strikes almost daily in October.
Today, Russian Iskander missiles struck the territory of the Odessa sea port. At least three strikes were confirmed. The target was the 8th pear [sic] of the port remote from other facilities, where the Ukrainian military was trying to hide the transfer of NATO weapons.
Russian attack was launched at the moment when Ukrainians were unloading their military cargo from the Moon cargo vessel that was navigating under the flag of Panama. The cargo reportedly included military communication, engineering and repair equipment from NATO. As a result of the strikes, the cargo vessel and boat of the Marine Guard were heavily damaged.
The Ukrainian military suffered losses. According to preliminary reports, 6 Ukrainian servicemen were killed and 9 others were wounded.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Oct 14 2024 18:43 utc | 66
Fake Reports Of Missile Transfers To Russia Are Used To Sanction Iran.
The latest one is North Korea sends troops into Ukraine to try and get even more NATO boots on the ground.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 18:50 utc | 67
What, anglo-zios lying through their teeth for the benefit of peddling their wicked agenda? Whowouldathunk...!
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Oct 14 2024 18:51 utc | 68
Rubiconned | Oct 14 2024 18:05 utc | 55--
The reason Russia has lagged in commercial airliner production is well known--the inability to produce an excellent engine to power the planes. But that was surmounted in 2022 and the certification process is now being completed. One of the major import substitution fields was in the area of turbine production for numerous applications--thermal power plants, pipelines, airplane engines being the three major sectors. The first to find replacement were for pipelines which happened before the SMO that were once supplied by Siemens. Most recently, the newest turbine was spun-up at a thermal power plant. The latest report on import substitution stated that the program was 90% completed. Recently, someone in Russia's government thanked the West for its sanctions providing the kick in the pants Russia needed to modernize its industry and do what it should have done many years ago. And the sanctions have done even more--they've empowered Russia's Near Abroad to formulate their own import substitution programs and to work much tighter with each other and Russia to improve their economies. That result was very evident in the latest CIS Summit. In summary, the Western Sanctions War has proven quite the tonic for most of the former Soviet Union with one self-outcast wanting to rejoin with Mother--Georgia.
And in Poland, hot air is being introduced to power Polish rockets:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-defeat-posture-polish-chief
"Amid mounting Ukrainian frontline losses in Kursk and the Donbas region, and growing questions regarding the Western world’s continued willingness to sustain the functioning of the Ukrainian state with tens of billions of dollars of aid, former Polish chief of the General Staff Rajmund Andrzejczak has projected . . .will hit all strategic targets within a radius of 300 km. We will attack St. Petersburg directly,” he asserted, . . . this was thought to refer to Poland’s very large scale orders for South Korean Chunmoo and American HIMARS rocket artillery systems."
HIMARS rocket systems are of course, the eighth wonder of the world - super-duper sonic, never-known-to-fail-wunderwaffen and everyone is frightened of them, especially Russians, who still rely on Chinese fireworks. Chunmoo - well, probably not so good as equivalent North Korean ones, but who knows. In any case, the Chinese fireworks will make short work of them.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Oct 14 2024 18:58 utc | 70
This story isn't being mentioned in the Oz MSM. Neither is Hezbollah's Haifa warning to the blood-dripping-from-their-fangs jews. Oz MSM is obsessed with what the Genocide Jews are doing in Palestine and Lebanon - to the point where abc.net.au is covering the genocide from the Pal & Leb side.
Re the West's sanctions on Iran Air; that's just a typically childish reaction to Russia's ban on Western airline flights over Russian territory, from which Iran Air is exempt. That gave Iran a big cost advantage and it was gobbling up some of the most profitable market segments.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 14 2024 18:59 utc | 71
@Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 16:35 utc | 21
Of course, you can continue travelling to Iran from UK, and highly likely from the USA too, the thing is that it is the European who can not...
Recall that after blowing out the Nord Stream pipelines, ruining in the way European economy, the US kept buying uranium from Russia....and keeps travelling ot the ISS by Russian rockets...
This is a war for trading routes and riches, and they are in a hurry to grab and accumulate while wiping out competitors not sparing alleged "allies"...
Lebanon invasion is about this...Bezalel Smotrich is Israeli minister of economy of Ukrainian origin...he promises himself the great life by going over there grabbing as much as it is allowed by the "international community"....
Today they have burnt alive the patients, including children and personel, in a field hospital in a Palestinian refugee camp...
https://t.me/victorternovsky/6979
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 14 2024 19:01 utc | 72
Strikes on enemy port infrastructure in Odesa
Today, October 14, 2024, less than an hour ago, a strike was carried out on berth No8 of the Odessa Commercial Sea Port using the Iskander-M operational-tactical missile system.
At the time of the strike, the port was unloading military cargo delivered by the Moon vessel under the flag of Belize. According to reports, there were communications and communication equipment, engineering equipment and components for the repair of Western equipment and weapons on board.
The blow came at the time of unloading. As a result of the attack, damage to the hull of the Moon vessel was recorded, as well as damage to the boat of the Maritime Guard of the Border Guard. At the moment, losses among enemy personnel are known: 6 eliminated and 9 wounded servicemen.
It should be noted that the tactics of the vessel's entry into the port and the place of discharge are similar to the previous cases of damage.
Berth No8 is located at a considerable distance from other infrastructure facilities and vessels, which makes it convenient for hidden unloading and prompt movement of goods to logistics points.
Analysis of previous attacks on port infrastructure:
1. Port Yuzhnoye (October 06, 2024): Strike on the ship Paresa under the flag of St. Kitts and Nevis. The destruction of the ammunition carried on board caused large-scale fires and explosions, which confirmed the effectiveness of the actions of the Russian forces.
2. Port of Odessa (October 07, 2024): Strike on the Palau-flagged vessel Optima, which was carrying cargo disguised as grain. The strike also damaged the port operator's building, indicating the devastating effect of the attacks on maritime infrastructure.
3. Port of Ilyichevsk (September 14, 2024): The strike targeted military cargo that was on board the Shui Spirit vessel. This attack led to the destruction of military vessels and significant losses among Ukrainian servicemen.
These events demonstrate the consistent approach of Russian troops to the destruction of supply chains, which creates serious difficulties for the Ukrainian armed forces in obtaining the necessary resources and maintaining combat capability.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/140773
Posted by: guest | Oct 14 2024 19:03 utc | 73
ON the NeoCon and Zionist wet-dream ... weaken Iran - so it weakens Russian Federation - really weaken Iran - so this weakens China - really fu€k up Iran - Hellelulah .... BIG PICTURE ... connect the dots...
"When we talk about Israel, we should remember that in an important sense we are talking about ourselves."
- Noam Chomsky
On WASHINGTON’S Latest WEST ASIAN WAR
A “confluence of interests” (A. Crooke)
“Netanyahu is doing just what the United States wants.” (M. Hudson)
‘Netanyahu is doing just what the United States wants. The dream of Netanyahu is the same dream of the US neo-cons: war with Iran. Because if you can conquer Iran, then you just close up everything between Israel and Iran. You take up Syria, Iraq; you move down into Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. You take over the whole Near East.
Obviously, Netanyahu is doing what the United States wants, because the United States is giving it the bombs every week to drop, giving it the money every month so that it can continue.
So what we’re seeing is a good cop-bad cop pretending. The United States doesn’t want to be blamed by the whole-world abhorrence for what is happening in Israel. So it pretends to say, “That’s not us; we want to be the good guys; we told him to be gentle when he dropped his bombs and not kill anybody.” But he’s killing people. And we keep giving him bombs and telling him to be gentle with it. Well, what can we do? We don’t have control – he’s a “sovereign country” as you played at the beginning. So all of this is just a charade.’ (M. Hudson)
‘Does the AIPAC and the other domestic supporters of Israel inside the United States have influence? Sure they do. Professor Mearsheimer and his colleagues have demonstrated that for many years with countless studies. But I don’t think that would be enough, anywhere near enough, to explain what’s going on.
This is an alliance which has served the interests of those who run Israel and those who run the United States. And that’s why they preserve it.’ (R. D. Wolff)
Nima, Hudson & Wolff here – Full Transcript plus link to video [h/t nakedcapitalism.com]
Richard D. Wolff & Michael Hudson: Israel's End-Game Under Netanyahu | naked capitalism
The Judge with A. Crooke today here – video
Alastair Crooke : Is Israel America’s Tool or Boss?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZfnXDpEqc
And prob a further discussion later @
(100) karlof1’s Geopolitical Gymnasium | Karl Sanchez | Substack
So, enough of dogs, tails, propaganda, sanctions, and illusions. This is Global & Civilizational
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 14 2024 19:05 utc | 74
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2024 18:52 utc | 70
Russia has learned so much from China and vice versa. Their friendship is the best thing that happened to the world.
The shift to manufacturing in the 3rd world by the West has also given those countries So much knowledge. International property rights are just like international law. It's politics in a horse hair wig. There is absolutely no law without enforcement.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 19:08 utc | 75
middle east... is this really all about control of the oil? it looks like it to me..
@ c matt
exactly..
Posted by: james | Oct 14 2024 15:54 utc | 4
Yes of course it's all about continuing control of the oil.
Control of the best remaining oil on the planet during the growth phase of this civilization had a great use for the Israeli machine. Continuing to control it during the collapse phase as tens of millions of young Arab men come to realize that they have nothing left to lose is a situation in which Zionism becomes an untenable liability. So it is that Zionism must go.
The House of Saud will also fall, for basically the same reason. My best guess as to how the 6 year old non-public Degrowth Agenda catalyzes the Saud deposition is the full release of the 9/11 files. Smart. Gabbard loathes Wahhabism.
Posted by: reante | Oct 14 2024 19:10 utc | 76
It's easy to forget that the jewed-up West is run by childish dorks and dweebs whose arrested development prevents them from realising that when one has run out of sensible things to say it's time to STFU.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 14 2024 19:10 utc | 77
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 14 2024 19:05 utc | 75
Alastair Crooke just gave Mearsheimer a history lesson.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 14 2024 19:11 utc | 78
@b
The ballistic missile reports are false, but ironically this shows just how incompetent the West is.
Does anyone dispute that Iran transferred Shahed technology to Russia? As well as probably actual drones?
In the latter case, there should be clear evidence available.
Instead, "ballistic missiles". Making up a bullshit story when there is an actual real one over which sanctions could be applied.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 14 2024 19:13 utc | 79
Posted by: retroflecks | Oct 14 2024 18:33 utc | 61
Not impressed with the "True Size of"
When I was about 5 and still believed in Father Christmas, my Dad (a Sailor mainly between World War 1 and World War 2) bought me a metal globe of the entire Earth and showed me where we lived in the UK - The British Islands
I looked at him in astonishment
We are tiny - a couple of small islands off the continent of Europe.
How did we do that?
I was even more impressed when my eldest brother got my globe to float in free air....using a soldering iron, capacitors, electro magnets, and variable resistors
Its English (English) - though The Scottish also have some claim to fame
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 19:17 utc | 80
What a bunch of fuckin hypocrites - how many missiles has the West transferred to Ukraine and Israel. The West - is ran by evil charlatans, who make up their own rules as they go along.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 14 2024 19:20 utc | 81
Re the West's sanctions on Iran Air; that's just a typically childish reaction to Russia's ban on Western airline flights over Russian territory, from which Iran Air is exempt. That gave Iran a big cost advantage and it was gobbling up some of the most profitable market segments.Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 14 2024 18:59 utc | 72
Explains a lot. A few days ago I saw that europe was having a giant whinefest because Chinese commercial flights could overfly Russia, while theirs could not. So unfair, boo hoo hoo. Looks like they are taking it out on Iran. Between the smug patriarchic attitude, the incessant whining and cries of victimhood, and their inflated sense of entitlement, the West comes across as narcissistic spoiled brats.
Posted by: Mike R | Oct 14 2024 19:28 utc | 82
#49 "Is Israel America’s Tool or Boss?"
They are both upper management. Neither is a boss.
Posted by: Matt | Oct 14 2024 19:35 utc | 83
The time has come for IRAN to equip itself with at least fifty nuclear warheads.
Posted by: kamma43muri | Oct 14 2024 19:37 utc | 84
@ Boeing is heavily subsidized. When Russia, Iran or China buy Boeing they are free-riding on the coattails of US subsidies.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2024 18:15 utc | 58
Iyushin Il-96
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-96
https://aerocorner.com/aircraft/ilyushin-il-96-300/
Seating capacity: >250
Unit cost: 40-50 Million USD
vs
Boeing 737
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737
Seating capacity: ±140-200
Unit cost: 90-120+ Million USD
What on earth are you ever talking about???
Look at the prices to passenger seats ratios for whatever plane made in Russia below. Even despite the lower numbers produced, they are infinitely cheaper across the board:
http://www.axonaviation.com/commercial-aircraft/aircraft-data/aircraft-pricing
Do i even need to point out the added savings on maintenance during the aircraft's lifetime? Janitors in Seattle earn 3-5x more than an engineer in Russia, in dollar amounts:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Boeing-Janitor-Salaries-E102_D_KO7,14.htm
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 14 2024 19:42 utc | 85
In a rush it's tuesday morning but I just read Alistair Crooke's latest article on how amerika led by the senator for boeing henry scoop jackson planned what is happening in the ME & ukieland more than 50 years ago at the Hudson institute.
See Israel does what it does; it was always planned this way which should dispel any doubt about which is the dog, who is the tail, and who is wagging what.
It is a must read though I suspect most amerikans will reflexively reject what it says because this is one very uncomfortable truth.
These nutters in State & congress see permanent worldwide war as their preferred outcome.
Amerikans need to pay attention to this but they won't, they never do, they're more interested in the inevitably rising cost of their consumer goods addiction, as always. Perhaps when the penny finally drops and they are forced to realise that abortion of a construct amerika, is headed permanently down the gurgler, they may but by then it will be too late, if it's not too late now.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 14 2024 19:43 utc | 86
when we were kids travelling in foreign lands - sometimes hitch- hiking and sometimes dropped off in the middle of nowhere - where are we - who's idea was this???
We always found that the poorest people in the world were the nicest and the first to invite us in to their homes, feed us and give us a bed to sleep the night (even when they slept outside when it was incredibly hot)
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 19:55 utc | 87
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 14 2024 19:13 utc | 80
"Making up a bullshit story when there is an actual real one over which sanctions could be applied."
Sanctions are illegal unless implemented by the UN.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Oct 14 2024 19:57 utc | 88
@ Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 14 2024 18:52 utc | 70
Thanks for the detailed reply. I had read something similar also.
I guess my point was more, for a country that has made aircraft and jets for decades, and can already produce hypersonic missiles, conduct space exploration, taking 10 years to produce a working engine sounds a little sub-par and a huge missed opportunity to kick start a national revival by exploiting a great opportunity through its superior technologies and competitive advantages.
Perhaps national security was prioritized over commercial developments, as resources and trained personnel were limited, but I guess they are getting there now eventually and irrespective of the reasons... always in extremis and with much suffering, the typical Russian way?
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 14 2024 19:58 utc | 89
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 19:55 utc | 88
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Why would you travel around foreign countries without money?
Posted by: Ed | Oct 14 2024 19:58 utc | 90
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 19:17 utc | 81
"The Scottish also have some claim to fame"
Yes, but we renounce it. We (or at least a good half of us) wish we never had anything to do with it.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Oct 14 2024 19:59 utc | 91
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The minimum elevation angle of the beam above the horizon for this radar is one degree. If it is less, the interference from local objects is too great and the receiver is overloaded, that is, the radar cannot detect the target. This means that in a At a distance of about 30 kilometers from the complex's position, targets are visible at an altitude of at least 500 meters, and at 10 kilometers - at least 175 meters. However, our cruise missiles and Geran drones fly at altitudes of 100 meters and lower, which means that they will be detected at a distance of 5.7 kilometers at the earliest. Accordingly, the range of fire of this miracle of American engineering at extremely low altitudes is the same as that of a simple portable air defense system.
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.... hhmmm.... funny you should say that ...
US intervention points to growing concerns over Israel’s air defences
Drones may fly more slowly than missiles, but the Iranian-designed carbon-fibre models used by Hezbollah are hard to see and difficult for radar to pick up, a task made more complicated because they are flown deliberately low. Manoeuvrable, this drone, said to be Sayyad 107, resisted GPS guidance jamming, possibly because it used Russian or Chinese alternatives.
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 14 2024 20:03 utc | 92
@ossi, #1:
Thank you for an interesting diagnosis of Patriot's birth defect :-). Yeah, hitting bullets with faster/mightier bullets is not a winning strategy. But back in the 60's when blocking ICBM was the hot topic, that was the logical idea that came to mind. The Empire's MIC just isn't adroit enough to grow with time and flexible enough to change tact when new tech became visible in sight.
I mean, hitting bullets with bullets may work but surely is highly inefficient and erroneous. How's about punching holes in ICBM with high energy/intensity laser to render the bullet limp? There is the issue of air attenuation to deal with, but it seems Russia and China are making better progress on this technology than the bloated Empire's MIC. Or, how's about mis-directing that incoming bullet from hitting intended targets by messing with its propelling rocket, again using laser or small (but fast!!!) impact objects good enough for changing the incoming bullets' trajectories? Here again, both China and Russia seem to be paying much more attention on radar and supersonic tech.
China wasn't the first to hoist electric vehicles onto humanity but lo and behold, it is now by far the best producer of EV (or any battery-oriented technologies, for that matter). China wasn't the first to adopt magnetic catapults, but now it seems China has catapulted itself to the front of this tech. I believe clear-minded people within the Empire see that and is the main reason for China-phobia.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 14 2024 20:04 utc | 93
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 14 2024 20:03 utc | 93
... apologies, response to Ossi @ 1 (Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1)
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 14 2024 20:06 utc | 94
What if the US would enter the war with Iran just before the elections?
K. Harris becomes a "War president". Americans love war presidents.
Maybe that is the trick to defeat D. Trump.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 14 2024 20:18 utc | 95
@ voice #94
It seems neither Hamas nor Hezbollah thought to get a few thousand shoulder-fired SAMs before the genocide. I've lately wondered what would happen(ed) if the masses all had simple laser pointers and used them by the 10ks or even millions when zionazi jets/missiles/drones come their way. Would this have any effect at all?
Everything I've read says they are a danger to all aircraft, any barflies know?
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 14 2024 20:18 utc | 96
Why is the efficiency of this system so low?
Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1
raytheon has provided their shareholders a return of a solid 10% over the last 3 years despite making a product that doesn't work ... I'd say that's dam efficient.
It's not like we didn't know the Patriot system doesn't work ... we knew that back in the 1990's when Ted postal brought to light their abysmal results against Saddam's SCUD missiles. You would think the US military would learn their lesson and maybe buy someone elses SAM's but no, Raytheon kept building their usless missile system NATO countries kept buying them and not a single investor was harmed.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 14 2024 20:29 utc | 98
Ossi @ 1:
Thanks for that detailed post. The information on the design issues of the US Patriot anti-missile defence systems is very interesting. I can hardly believe that the people who designed these systems would have been unaware of these issues. It seems likely to me that they must have been over-ridden by their own employers or the Pentagon about the supposed costs involved (financial mainly) in designing and building defence systems from scratch based on actually countering an enemy's defence capabilities, and were told to repurpose old systems with patch-up designs. The result is systems made over-complicated with too many layers, most of which are unnecessary and redundant, and the systems being hard for others to be able to understand them all, let alone fix wherever and whenever a problem occurs.
It seems incredible that in this day and age, Patriot anti-missile defence systems still rely on launch pads being placed in certain ways to defend against enemy missiles coming from all directions, when it should be obvious that launchers should be able to pivot individually when required and also to pivot in coordination with other launchers where needed.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 14 2024 20:29 utc | 99
the give away, is when in foreign lands, they understand very little English, and assume we are from Norway or Germany.
we mainly communicate by gestures and smiles and hugs and touches and are invited to meet their family
and we start talking in English (Lancashire) and mention Manchester United and Coronation Street and we all start laughing
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Oct 14 2024 20:32 utc | 100
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"Patriots" powerless due to "birth defects" in Ukraine
The pace of destruction of US Patriot ground-based air defense missile systems in Ukraine has increased recently. In the past week alone, at least two Patriot missile systems were destroyed. The special operation revealed the "birth defects" in the design of these air defense systems - and how Russian attack systems take advantage of them. A statement from the Russian Defense Ministry on October 9 states:
"The crew of the Iskander-M missile system attacked the position of a division of the Patriot missile systems with missiles ... and hit the launch pad of the Patriot missile launcher and personnel of the Ukrainian air defense missile division."
The next day, the Defense Ministry reported that "two Patriot launch pads were hit." Two more destroyed launch pads of these air defense missile systems were reported in August. So we have before our eyes examples of the regular elimination of the most modern and long-range Western-made air defense systems provided to the Kiev regime. Iskander-M missiles are usually used for this combat task.
In September, a document from the Kiel Institute for the World Economy entitled "War readiness in decades: Slow armament of Europe and Germany in comparison to Russia" was circulated in Germany. It states, among other things:
"The overall effectiveness of the Ukrainian air defense in intercepting missiles is 30 percent, and 66 percent for drones."
In small print, there are "approximate interception rates" based on data from "Ukrainian sources." Among other things, it states that the Ukrainian air defense missile systems in total only intercept "four percent of modern ballistic missiles such as Iskander-M" (this probably also includes Kinzhal and Zircon missiles).
But it is precisely the MIM-104 Patriot system that is designed primarily to combat Russian Iskander missiles. And now it turns out that the Ukrainian military itself admits that the vaunted American missile defense system is almost completely useless against them. Why is the efficiency of this system so low?
The point is that the Patriot model has a number of birth defects.
It is, if I may say so, genetically defective for this kind of task. When the Americans supplied this surface-to-air missile system to the Kiev regime, they were well aware of the dubious qualities of this weapon system.
In order to accurately shoot down ballistic and hypersonic targets, which include the Kinzhal, Zircon and Iskander-M missiles, this system must, first of all, receive target designation from a special satellite. Without this satellite, there is little chance of detecting and hitting such targets.
However, these satellites are in a low orbit and cannot hover continuously over the desired point. The schedule of the overflight of these satellites over the special operations zone is known to Russian reconnaissance with high accuracy.
Ministry of Defense: Russia destroys three Ukrainian Patriot air defense systems
Ministry of Defense: Russia destroys three Ukrainian Patriot air defense systems
It is not a problem to attack with Iskander missiles at the moment of the gap between overflights - thus immediately depriving the Patriot system of a large part of its capabilities.
It is also worth noting the peculiarities of the Patriot radar system. Depending on the modification, the Patriot battery can be equipped with the AN/MPQ-53 or the more modern AN/MPQ-65 radar. The former has a maximum viewing angle of 1 to 73 degrees, the latter from 1 to 83 degrees. In both cases, a "dead cone" is formed over the complex, which is not visible to the radar. A zone inaccessible for target designation.
In addition, there is another similar zone, which is due to the dynamic capabilities of the anti-aircraft missile. When firing at aerodynamic targets, this system has a short-range fire effective range of three kilometers. If the speed of the target increases, it will move further away. The missile does not have sufficient reserves of overload, which it must develop in order to fit into the target trajectory.
All Russian ballistic and aeroballistic missiles rush towards the target at a large angle of up to 90 degrees in the terminal section. That is, they are guaranteed to hit through the dead cone. Patriot systems have no chance of hitting them.
So a Patriot missile launcher is not able to defend itself, which means that it must be covered by another air defense system, for example, another Patriot system. There must be "mutual cover"
ng". In the conditions of total shortage of air defense equipment in Ukraine, this cannot be ensured.
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Wall Street Journal: F-16 crash raises concerns in the West about accelerated pilot training
The Patriot radar has another weakness, and that is when firing at aerodynamic targets at extremely low altitudes - Geran drones and cruise missiles (Kalibr, X-101, and so on). The AN/MPQ-65 radar cannot, as they say in air defense, "direct the beam into the horizon." In other words, it cannot detect low-flying targets that almost merge with the horizon.
The minimum elevation angle of the beam above the horizon for this radar is one degree. If it is less, the interference from local objects is too great and the receiver is overloaded, that is, the radar cannot detect the target. This means that in a At a distance of about 30 kilometers from the complex's position, targets are visible at an altitude of at least 500 meters, and at 10 kilometers - at least 175 meters. However, our cruise missiles and Geran drones fly at altitudes of 100 meters and lower, which means that they will be detected at a distance of 5.7 kilometers at the earliest. Accordingly, the range of fire of this miracle of American engineering at extremely low altitudes is the same as that of a simple portable air defense system.
By the way, against Geran drones and Kalibr missiles, the Patriots are surprisingly particularly defenseless in this case. This is because three types of missiles were supplied to Ukraine: PAC-2 GEM/T (also known as MIM-104D), PAC-2 GEM+ (also known as MIM-104E) and PAC-3 MSE (also known as MIM-104F). All three missile types are optimized for combating ballistic targets, they have appropriate warheads and the PAC-3 MSE even has a special kinetic interceptor. This leads to a drastically reduced probability of hitting aerodynamic targets - cruise missiles and drones.
Patriot: Japan shows why the system will soon become useless
Patriot: Japan shows why the system will soon become useless
Combating ballistic targets, however, is made more difficult by another design problem of the Patriot system - the angled launch of anti-aircraft guided missiles. The missile can only hit a target that is in the direction of the launch pad's inclination angle. Yes, if the launcher is placed in a certain way, the Patriot system can fire all around. But ultimately, each launch pad can only fire in one direction - and the others cannot support it.
It should be recalled that in the Russian S-300/400 anti-aircraft missile launchers, the missiles launch vertically and then tilt towards the target. This allows all the ammunition to be fully used, regardless of which side the targets attack from.
Thus, the complete destruction of the MIM-104 Patriot systems supplied to Ukraine is certainly inevitable. Due to its design features, Patriot systems cannot effectively combat Russian ballistic and cruise missiles, as well as drones.
By the way, the Americans are well aware of this. That is why for many years they have been developing a replacement for the Patriots together with Germany and Italy - the new surface-to-air missile system MEADS (Medium Extended Air Defense System). But even in this system, the main missile is supposed to be a modernized MIM-104F (PAC3 MSE), and there is an additional missile for low-flying targets IRIS-T SLM with a reinforced starting engine. This means that all the main problems of the Patriot system will remain in the future.
Posted by: ossi | Oct 14 2024 15:51 utc | 1