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October 21, 2024
“Democracy” in Moldova

Yesterday's election and referendum in Moldova again demonstrate how little respect the official 'West' has for the holy grail called 'democracy'.

Moldova backs joining EU by razor-thin margin as president condemns ‘assault’ on democracyCNN

Moldovans have voted by the thinnest of margins in favor of joining the European Union, near-complete results showed Monday, as President Maia Sandu condemned an “unprecedented assault” by foreign actors on the country’s democracy.

With more than 99% of votes counted, 50.4% had voted “yes” in the pivotal referendum on whether to enshrine in the country’s constitution a path towards the EU, according to the Central Election Commission.

In 1990 Moldovia had 4.5 million inhabitants. This is down to 2.5. to 3 million today, of which nearly a million are living abroad.

Abroad is also where a real vote on a referendum would be decided. And abroad is where the manipulation of yesterday's vote took place.

These were the result before the votes of those who live abroad were counted in:

Europe Elects @EuropeElects – 5:50 UTC · Oct 21, 2024

Moldova, EU membership referendum:
98.8% counted
The difference is for 744 votes for In favor

Against: 50%
In favor: 50%

Former British ambassador Craig Murray watched the vote:

Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg – 14:39 UTC · Oct 21, 2024

Moldova's rigged EU referendum "voted in favour" of joining the EU by 50.4% to 49.6%.

No led until the last minute when 180,000 votes from Moldovans living in the EU were added in at a claimed 90% Yes.

While allegedly only 5% of the 300,000 Moldovans living in Russia voted!

Why didn't more of those Moldovans who are living in Russia go to vote? The Russian Ambassador in Vienna explains:

Mikhail Ulyanov @Amb_Ulyanov – 14:00 UTC · Oct 21, 2024

Moldovan authorities opened only two polling stations in Moscow for 400,000 Moldovan citizens living in Russia (instead of 17 in the past). And someone calls the current Moldovan authorities “democratic”? Gross manipulation of elections and referendum on #EU membership.

No 'Western' media will inform the public about this manipulation which l might well lead to an outcome that the majority of Moldovans oppose.

Comments

So, no different than when regime change is done in the US, then?
Color me shocked

Posted by: Kay | Oct 22 2024 1:08 utc | 101

” You have to have a drivers license or state id to do anything in this country.
If they don’t have ID that is their own failing, too bad so sad.
Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 21 2024 21:40 utc | 79 ”
Very true, the cry babies whining about an ID requirement, to freaking VOTE, are a bunch of disingenuous babies. Poor people do the following all the time:
Buy alcohol : need an id
Collect food stamps: need an id.
collect welfare: need an id
get section 8: need an id.
get child assistance: need an id
pickup their child from school: need an id.
buy cigarettes : need an id.
the list is numerous.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 22 2024 1:10 utc | 102

responding to Exile Ed | Oct 21 2024 18:46 utc | 47 says..
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 15:52 utc | 2
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In Texas .. for over twenty years I have had to present a state-approved identification and a voter registration card at the voting booth to vote.
Blissex | Oct 21 2024 19:13 utc | 57 says..
If instead federal elections were organized and controlled at the federal level they would be a lot cleaner, ..
<=I refuse to vote for a person I do not want to be my leader (I have not seen a candidate that I trust or want to be my leader. I vote none of the above. I consider a government that conducts its affairs in secret neither honorable nor democratic. . Another reason I do not vote is the people running things are not on the ballot.. Posted by: Blissex | Oct 21 2024 19:23 utc | 60 * What really matters is not how many votes there are for whom, but who selects/nominates the candidates. The principle is "the proles can vote for whoever they want after we have nominated whoever we want". <= I agree.. the idea that electing a party selected, private money financed leader is democratic is ludicrous.

Posted by: snake | Oct 22 2024 1:17 utc | 103

Clever Dog@2315
I take it that you are a loyal and faithful adherent for the Democrat party. Interesting. Here in Manysnota we host the Democrat Former Labor Party. Are you a public school teacher, perchance? Or maybe a government employee? Betcha you don’t know that those two demographics are two of the largest backing for that party which once was democratic. But you are still Democrats..
There may be some overlap, but college edjumacated women are the tail of the party. They are really smart and access their noose from boobtoob presenters, including handsome, well-coiffed men and women who could do really well in Vegas. The major casinos there do not feature lap-dancers. But there is at least one party which gives pride of place to a well accomplished pro in that art form. She is said to get a big rise from the crowd…nice smile and much, much more.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 1:17 utc | 104

Pagan@2158
Vital information I’d not previously encountered. Thanx.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 1:24 utc | 105

Posted by: Naive | Oct 22 2024 0:03 utc | 96
I am still confused why Lavrov still say about the yankeeland that it is an “adversary” or a “partner”. Doesn’t he understand that it is a ruthless and mortal enemy? And that everything has to be handled with that in mind.

Lavrov understands that well and is in complete control of what he says: no word is random. If you don’t understand (seems you’re confused) then start thinking about why Lavrov may use the wording he does.
The idea that professionals (in any domain, here: military, political, technical) need advice from random forum denizens is so ridiculous. Get a life. (This paragraph is not about Naive but the sillier half of comments in general.)

Posted by: Konami | Oct 22 2024 1:32 utc | 106

Tobias Cole@2013
When Pinnochio spotted his first female wooden puppet he hollered out: “Wooden tit be wonderful”. That’s how I feel about Fair elections here in the $tates: Wouldn’t it be wonderful. When machines count the votes, voters’ votes don’t count.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 1:33 utc | 107

@Borderli 4
“Great more Eastern Europeans to come live off benefits in the UK
Posted by: Boardindundee | Oct 21 2024 15:59 utc | 4”
Because England stole more than one trillion dollars from Russia alone in 9os and from east Europe aswell
London is the main centre of money laundering in the world and England lives off stolen wealth coming from 3rd world from oligarchs who are invited by thriving British to deposited stolen money in British tax havens run from London

Posted by: Sam | Oct 22 2024 1:35 utc | 108

Very strange … I have seen a report which has not been picked up by any other website and which remains unconfirmed and unchecked by independent reporters that, according to an anonymous contact close to Maia Sandu, the Moldovan President has serious mental health issues that include panic attacks.
Austrian psychiatrists’ diagnosis: Moldovan President Sandu has schizophrenia
Sandu’s outbursts after the Presidential polls and the EU referendum, conducted together, certainly appear very extreme.
Moldova Leader Slams ‘Attack on Democracy’ as Presidential Polls Go to Run-Off

… At a press conference in the early hours of Monday, Sando alleged that pro-Russian forces under the command of fugitive Moscow-based oligarch Ilan Shor had attempted to steal the elections through large-scale falsifications and bribes for voters.
“It is an unprecedented attack on freedom and democracy in our country. Criminal groups, together with foreign forces hostile to our interests, attacked our country [using tens] of millions of euros, lies and propaganda,” she said.
“They aimed to induce fear and panic in society. We will not give up defending freedom and democracy,” she declared.
The head of the General Police Inspectorate, Viorel Cernauteanu, said last week that police have documented a network organised by Shor that provided at least 130,000 people with electoral bribes via bank accounts at Promsvyazbank in Russia.
Second-placed candidate Alexandr Stoianoglo thanked voters on Sunday evening, after the polling stations closed, saying they showed Moldova is “determined to define its own future”. Stoianoglo opposes Moldova following a pro-Western direction.

Sandu faces a run-off election against Stoianoglo next month – I’m sure that is the usual procedure in most European and Latin American republics, a first round of voting to eliminate minor candidates and then a second, run-off round involving the two leading candidates – and already she has leapt off the deep end alleging fraud, vote-buying and Russian criminal interference, and accusing “foreign forces” (Russia, of course) of encouraging fear and panic.
I’d be curious to know what other MoA barflies think of Sandu’s reaction to what is a normal electoral procedure.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 22 2024 1:38 utc | 109

Jinn@2005
Perhaps you are not aware that Old Hippie hails from Chicago. The friggin city was built on graft and ward-by-ward gratuities for those who voted for the machine. Hasn’t changed much from the Daze of Richard Daley.
Current mayor of that joint is under the wing of the Ill-Noise governor, an heir to the Hyatt Hotel fortune and a member of the second largest crime clan in Chi-Town. His family made Rahm Emanuel, who ran Obaminable AND Big Mike as the First “Lady”.
Barak’s mama was Agency and she worked diligently for her employees by helping engineer the military overthrow of the Sukarno government and then went out and butchered around half a million discomfiting leftists. So we can safely say that Obaminble is the first known prez who started out as an Agency brat. Military brats are quite common in politrix and more, but Agency brats are NOT a dime a carload.
Some claim that Obaminable still runs the Democrat party from behind the scenes. Well, he does get featured a lot in the commercials. So Rahm Emanuel’s “special” Tribe recognize that Agency brat as the most brown-nosed $habos Goys in their entire carnival. Oh, they also own Carnival Cruise Lines…special electronics in every room and suite…the really special ones even feature obscured peepers.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 1:47 utc | 110

OrNot@1938
Good take on the systematically corrupt EU. It is “managed” by its own Deep State which answers primarily to City of London and Wall $treet as the leading lights of the Bank$ter cabal. Oh yes, they also have “commissioners”/quasi representatives who have no actual power. The architecture of that bureaucracy on steroids is totally top-down. Whoever spins the top calls the shots.
EU, like NATO and the U$$A + the remaining Five Eyes inevitably follow a specially chosen Golden Rule: “Them that holds the gold makes the rules”. See, the whole racket is quite simple, but maybe not simple enough for the average employee to both comprehend and resist.
Serfdom has returned. When surfing through the barnacles underwater around Brussels; visions of the many rulers wearing crowns tend to clarify and manifest.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 1:58 utc | 111

Luckily for American democracy, there isn’t an endemic underground market for fake photo IDs.
And, of course, IT specialists hired by mega-wealthy political activists with official access to voting systems would never tamper with vote counting or tallies. Voter fraud on that level simply doesn’t happen in the grand USA.
“Hope is not a Strategy!” – Chas Freeman

Posted by: William Manchester | Oct 22 2024 2:00 utc | 112

I’m having a hard time following things. The Main Stream Media keeps on telling the world that Israel is winning the war. Yet many of the alternative commenters (like Scott Ritter) go as far as to say that this war will be Israel’s demise. I think many of the commenters here agree with the latter sentiment.
Posted by: MikeMikeTango | Oct 21 2024 23:09 utc | 368
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Mr. Tango, you are a thinker, but not a deep thinker. Did you think that the Hamas resistance fighters in Gaza entered the tunnels on Oct. 7, 2023, thinking they had the means to defeat Israel and the U.S. in a head-to-head military confrontation? Do you think that Hamas, with its puny small arms, homemade rockets, and plastic explosives, thought that they could defeat Israel on an open battlefield while Israel is being supplied by the U.S. (and other Western nations) with tens of billions of weapons like 2000lb bombs, guided missiles, tanks, F-35 fighter jets, and military helicopters? Not to mention a flotilla of warships parked just offshore of Isreal.
If so, then no wonder you are having a hard time following things. You might as well shut down your computer and call it quits because you have confused the demise of Israel with the winning of an unwinnable war: The two things are completely different unless a third allied force like Iran or Russia enters the fray, which was never the expectation of of Hamas.
The demise of Israel is about the end of Israel’s ability to look the world in the face and pretend to be a righteous and democratic nation ever again. The chosen people have been exposed for what they are: International criminals, murderers, and genociders, on the same level as the Nazis whom they have always rightfully Whimpered about.
For 75 years Israel has stomped on the rights and dignity of the Palestinian people while the world (especially the Western world) turned its hypocritical head and looked the other way. The United Nations Security Council proved to be a foil for the United States, who vetoed every attempt by any nation to provide relief for the Palestinian people via the U.N.
Today, thanks to all factions of the Resistance, the nations of the world are no longer turning their heads. The world is starting to realize the evil of Zionism (both Jewish and Christian), and even more, the world has become more and more aware that the so-called Western democracies, and especially the U.S., are nothing but hypocrites: The hegemon has no clothes and western liberal democracy is a rotten rag.
The issue of Israeli genocide in Gaza, and the murder and crimes against the humanity of all Palestinian people for the last 75 years are no longer an open secret to be ignored: The illegal occupation by Israel of Palestinian sovereign territory has been officially declared by the U.N’s International Court of Justice to be an international crime against the people of Palestine, and the world can no longer ignore the cries for justice of the Palestinian people anymore: This will be the demise of Israel as a nation because Israel is now an international pariah, it just doesn’t know it yet.
So, Mr. MikeMikeTango, whoever you are, whatever you are, in case you did not realize it before, when the Hamas Resistance fighters entered those tunnels after 10/7/24, which they meticulously developed over many years, they did not expect that they would live to see the demise of Israel, or a free and sovereign Palestine, which they dream of and will probably die for.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 2:10 utc | 113

Naive | Oct 22 2024 0:03 utc | 96–
Old habits die hard. You’ll gain some further insight into Lavrov the person in “So, You Want to be a Diplomat: Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s Interview for the MGIMO 80 Documentary” which was also published by MFA today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 22 2024 2:12 utc | 114

Re-imagining History is becoming more common on the www as the years whizz by.
Earlier today, I Googled Mt St Helens to refresh my memory of the date on which it blew its top, reducing the height of its summit by several hundred feet and losing ~ 2+ cubic kilometres of bulk.
Wikipedia thinks it happened in 1980. But a friend who was commuting between Seattle and Oz for work, as an adult, when Mt St Helens blew its top would only have been about 12 years old in 1980.
She was in Oz when the eruption occured and when she returned to Seattle the first thing she noticed was that the tip of Mt St Helens was no longer visible from her lounge room window.
It’s interesting that Google found some Wikipedia horsefeathers for me in response to a simple Historical query…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 22 2024 2:14 utc | 115

Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 2:10 utc | 113
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I apologize for posting this comment on this thread. It was meant to be, and was, posted on the Palestinian thread started on 10/20/24. My screen skipped pages: Long story. Again I apologize.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 22 2024 2:21 utc | 116

Blissex:
Was it really coincidental or actually congruence that your posting was listed as being at 19:13. To me that set of numbers translates to a year. Without political shenanigans at the FEDERAL level, this ruptured republic would still perhaps be paying two cents to mail a First Class letter. Those carryings on by a House and Senate,never having been recessed over the Christmas holidays that year…were carried out by a small group of ultimate insiders.
As a rump Congress and Senate, both lacking a quorum, passed the FEDERAL Reserve Act on December 23 of that year and immediately couriered that unanimous vote of less than two dozen men, comprised by the alleged “Representatives” of We the People…along with the $enate of “Sober Second Thought”. The courier hastily brought that bill to 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue where a blackmailed President Thomas Woodrow Wilson, signed off on that document, effectually made it the law of the land.
Though several members of both houses did protest the unlawful act, with neither the House nor the Senate carrying an essential quorum; “somehow” the legislation did not get seriously called to question on the floors of either chamber. There was a lot of heavy money behind all that chicanery…where the ruling Bank$ters paid off enough movers and shakers to keep the pot from boiling over.
Using both the tools of inflation most of the while and deflation when a bit of “scalping” was in order; the brand new Federal Reserve Bank assumed the previous role of Congress as the controller of America’s financial system.
Because the price of First Class postage is no longer two pennies; we face a level of inflation which is best expressed by that universal metric. Simply mailing a letter now indicates that the actual inflation rate will soon reach the 3,000% level. Those ruling Bank$ters sure know how to milk the public cow.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 2:24 utc | 117

@ karlof1 | Oct 22 2024 2:12 utc | 114 with the link to their latest…thanks
I think the take away from Lavrov this time was his consistency on calling out the West as the problem. Lavrov is clear that it is not US/UK/EU leadership but Western leadership (whomever they might be)….my God Of Mammon cult that includes Pope Frank and King Chuck.
As I said before about this election, Democracy my ass!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 22 2024 2:35 utc | 118

Sam@135
Good insights. Yes, the whole financial shebang is run outta City of London…a privately held and quietly independent enclave within Metropolitan London. Even King Chuck is required to wear special regalia and inform its “officials” beforehand of his intent to pay a “social’ call.
Yes, the taxation hideouts and money-laundering rackets are centered in the Channel Islands, the Caymans and a few more remnants of the Empire.
Now featuring the largest naval fleet in the world, China could have great fun liberating those precious jewel islands of the Empire. Currently possessing a couple of permanently parked moldy aircraft carriers along with a relative handful of destroyers and frigates; along with several Yankeestani subs…the Mangy Old Lion still rules the waves financially…but not by means of naval power.
Similar to the French difficulties with New Caledonia native populations…a modest flow of Chinese cash could stimulate rebellious thoughts within those bank$ter hidey-holes for “hot” money. So soak the rich and give a nice bonus to those folks who populate those handy island possessions of ALL the old colonial powers…particularly “Great” Britain.
And while at it, lucrative trade relationships could assist the Scots, the Northern Irish and perhaps even the Welsh and the Cornishmen in declaring their Celtic independence. Should such events occur, “Merry Olde England” would no longer be capable of calling itself “Great” Britain.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 2:41 utc | 119

Interesting that they have basically split the popular vote 50/50. That’s as apathetic as the BC vote which is split along the same lines….that’s how shitty all governments clinging to the demockracy canard really are…..can’t imagine having to vote on which pile of shit…..smells, hmm, sweetest.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 22 2024 2:45 utc | 120

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 22 2024 2:14 utc | 115
You cannot see Mt St Helen’s from Seattle. It is almost on the border of Oregon. The eruption did happen in 1980. I still have a piece of pumice that I picked up the next day from my aunts porch in Langley, British Columbia. Mt Ranier is the volcano you can see from Seattle.

Posted by: Badjoke | Oct 22 2024 3:04 utc | 121

Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 17:44 utc | 33
“Republican paranoia about voter fraud has made it far more difficult to vote in most US states in the last couple of decades.”
As the old saying goes, you’re not paranoid if they really are out to get you (or in this case, if they really are out to steal the election).

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 3:19 utc | 122

The idea that professionals (in any domain, here: military, political, technical) need advice from random forum denizens is so ridiculous. Get a life. (This paragraph is not about Naive but the sillier half of comments in general.)
Posted by: Konami | Oct 22 2024 1:32 utc | 106

Sillyness aside, you surely must agree the better part of the officials, ‘professionals’ and government bureaucrats in the West are genuflecting useless mendicants, do you not? At best, deliberate sellouts of their own countries, at worst traitors and plainly stupid (see Baerbock). It seems clear that most of these sycophantic administrators are deeply incompetent, so it’s hard to blame anyone for thinking so.
In fact I would argue one of the defining characteristics of Western society now is incompetence. Incompetence and inflexible dogmatic thought all but enforced, with questions limited to the ones preselected by our betters. A long fall from enlightenment ideas indeed, the price men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be governed by evil men.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 22 2024 3:33 utc | 123

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 20:13 utc | 68
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 20:43 utc | 72
Did you know that its easy for anybody to check to see if you are lying?”

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 3:47 utc | 124

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 20:13 utc | 68
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 20:43 utc | 72
Did you know that its easy for anybody to check to see if you are lying?”
So if the Associated Press says Tobias Cole is wrong then he must be lying, right? Because I’m sure the AP has never,ever been wrong before. After all, why would the MSM lie?

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 3:51 utc | 125

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 22 2024 1:17 utc | 104
“Here in Manysnota we host the Democrat Former Labor Party. Are you a public school teacher, perchance? Or maybe a government employee? Betcha you don’t know that those two demographics are two of the largest backing for that party which once was democratic. But you are still Democrats.”
In Minnesota? Maybe he’s the guy who drives around to all the schools to make sure the boys bathrooms have the correct number of tampon dispensers. We’ve got our priorities here.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 4:06 utc | 126

Sam | Oct 22 2024 1:35 utc | 108
*** London is the main centre of money laundering in the world and England lives off stolen wealth coming from 3rd world from oligarchs who are invited by thriving British to deposited stolen money in British tax havens run from London ***
When even the Monarch has to request permission to enter its area … and there is one of its officials (called “The Remembrancer”) always present in the Westminster parliament to veto any legislation or discussion deemed contrary to its interests … and all its criminally extracted gains go off into secretive tax-havens abroad ….can it really be claimed that the so-called “City of London” is part of Britain at all?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 22 2024 4:09 utc | 127

The state of Michigan, USA is in great shape for the upcoming sham.
“Michigan’s voter rolls are under scrutiny less than three weeks from the Nov. 5 election, following a report the state has 500,000 more registered voters than people old enough to vote.”
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/michigan-voting-election/2024/10/18/id/1184667/

Posted by: Matt | Oct 22 2024 4:11 utc | 128

William Manchester | Oct 22 2024 2:00 utc | 112
Dearest Willie …
See: Here.
October 18, 2024, Warrior With A Just Cause Dies As Such.
Oct 21 2024 14:49 utc | 531

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 22 2024 4:20 utc | 129

The US Navy just lost two pilots in the crash of an EA-18G electronic warfare plane.
https://news.usni.org/2024/10/21/navy-identifies-two-crew-members-who-died-in-growler-crash
Does anyone know if there’s a connection to Ukraine or does this sound like an actual accident?

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 4:25 utc | 130

OT
@ Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 4:25 utc | 130 Your post is OT, topic is Moldova …
Cover story. They were likely KIA, vainly attempting to defend US/UK Navy vessels re deadly drone/missile/ballistic missile/hypersonics/suicide drone vessels launched by Ansar Allah, enforcing it’s legally de jure, UN Charter supported, declared/valid maritime blockade of genociding/war crime committing Israel, re multiple ICJ interim rulings & explicit binding directives & definitive UNGA consequential vote 124-14(IIRC) …. Replies in non OT thread, hm ?
OT

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 22 2024 4:41 utc | 131

To anyone here, either from the US or UK (or Canadians who opine regularly on both countries’ politics):
I think it’s fairly obvious that Trump has been subjected to a lawfare campaign. And certain people – both his steadfast supporters/fans and some undecided/independents may vote for him strictly as a result of this, or rather because he’s an “outsider” and these suits prove it. Some of it is genuinely legitimate (for example VERY recent “Central Park Five” defamation case), much of it is probably bullshit, or at least not very important to most people (bribing a woman to keep an affair or sexual assault allegation secret).
I don’t have a dog in the hunt. I will vote for Jill Stein, but would probably vote for a Libertarian as well if the candidate was right for me. So here’s my question:
How many of the people here that decry the lawfare treatment of Trump (and its parallels in the “intelligence services” in both countries) would have cast a vote for Jeremy Corbyn, who was also subject to a similar (but totally illegitimate) “antisemitism” campaign in the UK, including as a protest vote against the Atlantacist/NATO/Neoliberal/Neocon “system”?
I’m betting that most of you will remain silent or invoke red-scare commie anti-left arguments for why Corbyn wasn’t worth fighting for, but Trump is. And please forego the assassination angle, because Corbyn was effectively, politically, assasinated.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 22 2024 4:53 utc | 132

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 22 2024 4:53 utc | 132 about Trump and democracy in America….
Political kabuki for the masses or Trump would be in jail along with scores of other grifters like him.
I have yet to find any who can provide an example of Trump doing anything for the public good….kabuki fighting against the blue team does not count.
Does it not occur to folks that since the red/blue teams are on the same side of the Occupied Palestine genocide that structurally there is not a whit of difference between them but the color…… of money?
I will be voting for Jill Stein as well and hope she gets enough votes to wake up more American zombies.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 22 2024 5:12 utc | 133

Outraged | Oct 22 2024 0:06 utc | 97
…”merely more masked tribute.
Yep.
…years long queue behind Taiwan & all the rest, after US. Only manufacture ~12 SM-2/year
Aarh. Thanks. The “opposition” defence minister was asked about the govt announcement.
He said: {I may have taken liberties with my transcription}… “we love amerkkka and everything amerikkkan, especially we love their military. Our Only quibble is that delivery won’t be timely”.
Your point about the waitlist for delivery gives his comment context.
Anyway… we’re also not getting those eye watering expensive nuke subs anytime soon either … all Oz defence spending, is, as you say, just extortion and tribute to Empire.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 22 2024 5:14 utc | 134

But in fact there has never been evidence for widespread voter fraud, despite many genuine efforts to find it.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 21 2024 23:15 utc | 92

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWZzfMgIBAwa02DOyFiYlgzYU-dfvhk-GxkowTHyFh0w-J6CCcaSalhgcWhRViE7J1EPkXYJNvaTWLlpszpkdZeGVHjOvZNCWZTAwK3gV-Q1U77kEFDiVzWoH7kp11DX9NtW3_Iw/s640/Fraud.jpg

Posted by: retroflecks | Oct 22 2024 6:53 utc | 135

“Are you American wankers finished arguing about your fake democracy, yet?
Asking for a demonic friend.”
Posted by: Sikuvit | Oct 21 2024 23:54 utc | 95

That perfectly sums up this discussion thread ostensibly about Moldova.
Who are Americans are going to support in the Most Important Election Ever (since the last election): the Red State faction of the American Oligarchy or the Blue State faction of this same oligarchy?
The oligarchs’ election
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/10/21/rzsx-o21.html
This is true a momentous decision. It’s like choosing between your preferred serial killer, John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy.

Posted by: ak74 | Oct 22 2024 7:36 utc | 136

Please,B. We need an article on BRICS in Kazan and the total lack of coverage in the European MSM.

Posted by: Kaiama | Oct 22 2024 7:54 utc | 137

Don’t get upset about Moldova as an American!
If you have a party system like the Americans, you don’t need elections…
As an American, you only have the choice between the plague and the colera.
And they’re cheating so that half the world laughs about it, the rest at least smiles.
What chance would one of the people have, someone who is honest at least, but doesn’t have millions of dollars, REALLY NONE!
Although the Americans themselves don’t seem to be interested at all when I look at the glamorous events called party congresses, the show is what counts, not the future of the country.
And
Between us, a country that no longer has smart minds like Trump or Biden or Haris a warlord like Obama…(Nobel Peace Prize winner, which is a joke in itself)
that is, or rather their society is at the END anyway. I visited Boston in 2012 and as a European I was horrified by the homeless gangs etc. But when I visited in May 2024 I knew this country was lost, I had never seen it so bad before how the country and the city had changed for the worse, no future blockbuster in the cinema can keep up with that.
Feedback geben

Posted by: ossi | Oct 22 2024 8:04 utc | 138

Total unmasking of the western election interference industrial complex doing what it does in Moldova, and pathetic and laughable media bias by the usual suspects.
In 171 seconds.
FrudayEveryDay – a remarkably good YT channel from HK:
https://youtu.be/FH6mxp0zntw?si=0wNeef15Dr6iib83

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Oct 22 2024 9:41 utc | 139

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 22 2024 3:33 utc | 123
You surely must agree the better part of the officials, ‘professionals’ and government bureaucrats in the West are genuflecting useless mendicants, do you not? At best, deliberate sellouts of their own countries, at worst traitors and plainly stupid (see Baerbock). It seems clear that most of these sycophantic administrators are deeply incompetent, so it’s hard to blame anyone for thinking so.

Of course I agree. The reason is that these Western leaders are not professional. This is not rhethoric: they are not qualified for the job, even formally. You mentioned Baerbock — contrast her biography with those of Genscher or even Westerwelle. The decline is obvious, and intentional (not on Baerbock’s part, on those who made and hired her).
But what we see a lot in this forum is urgent hints of what Russian or Chinese fighters, generals, politicians have to do. (This is usually either Team Cheerleading or Team Sofa Football Coach, in the Ukaine war often what I call PRINO = pro-Russian in name only) and while mistakes are unavoidable, a lot of those are professional. As is, for example, FM Lavrov.

In fact I would argue one of the defining characteristics of Western society now is incompetence. Incompetence and inflexible dogmatic thought all but enforced, with questions limited to the ones preselected by our betters. A long fall from enlightenment ideas indeed, the price men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be governed by evil men.

Again I agree. Competence nowadays resides in the East. It’s a pity to see and I have a lot of personal stories in this regard (as a disgruntled Westerner), as have probably most here.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 22 2024 11:26 utc | 140

Tom_Q_Collins @132:

How many of the people here that decry the lawfare treatment of Trump (and its parallels in the “intelligence services” in both countries) would have cast a vote for Jeremy Corbyn, who was also subject to a similar (but totally illegitimate) “antisemitism” campaign in the UK, including as a protest vote against the Atlantacist/NATO/Neoliberal/Neocon “system”?
I’m betting that most of you will remain silent or invoke red-scare commie anti-left arguments for why Corbyn wasn’t worth fighting for, but Trump is. And please forego the assassination angle, because Corbyn was effectively, politically, assasinated.

And as is so typical of people whose brains are broken with “Trump Derangement Syndrome”, you would be wrong. I would vote for Corbyn without a second thought, even as the media-manufactured hysteria about him was in full swing.
Note: Literal assassination is very different from “character” or “political” metaphorical assassination. Trying to equate the two is further proof of a broken brain.
Disclosure: I have never voted for Trump, and would not have done so even if he ran for office back before he started pretending to be a Republican in order to fix the race for his then bff Hillary; when he was a Democrat and palling it up with Jesse Jackson and the Clintons. I volunteered in the Sanders campaign, but with the understanding that he would ultimately betray his base when push came to shove and he was forced to choose between the “deplorable” working class and the capitalist system. The same caveat applies to Corbyn. Like Sanders, Corbyn lacks the ideological “temper” in his steel to take capitalism to the mat and would thus be cold-rolled over. To see their leaders bend like a cheap Hyundai fender is, unfortunately, an unavoidable step in the education of the working class, so trying to get individuals like Sanders and Corbyn elected has value despite their inevitable betrayal.
One of the problems you can see in political leaders who are fundamentally “liberal” capitalists is the attitude that the elected position is about themselves. They think it is their prerogative to “turn the other cheek” or otherwise yield the fight when things get nasty in order to personally hold the moral high ground. That is “liberal” nonsense on par with “the meek shall inherit the Earth”. All the meek have ever inherited in human history is the dirt that their mouths get stuffed with while their faces are in their mud when the bold walk all over them… but then, perhaps that mud is the “earth” they are said to “inherit”, so no lies were told? Anyway, a real socialist with some Marxist steel in their spine will know that the elected position is not theirs to piss away when things get ugly. The elected position belongs to their class, and the individual elected by the working class to that position has an obligation to fight to the end for their class interests, regardless of what the capitalist mass media says about them or how bad their feelings are hurt by unkind words from oligarchs and their servile lackeys in academia and media.
So yeah, I decry the lawfare and the assassination attempts on Trump, both figurative by the media/academic/managerial caste, and literal by brain-phuqued TDS victims being led around by the nose ring by the CIA, and I would back Corbyn in an instant if he stood up to fight, so you know where you can shove that butthurt nonsense.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 22 2024 12:30 utc | 141

Konami @140
Where would this “professionalism” that you decry the lack of come from in the West? University? Those campuses that are ideological “safe spaces” where anything approaching rational inquiry is verboten? Where even mathematics must now kneel at the alter of identity politics? Sadly, there is no professionalism to be found there these days.
There is no professionalism in the West, and there never will be again until western society’s economies and cultures are overthrown in revolution; the bloodletting is not elective at this point.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 22 2024 12:50 utc | 142

Why so much fixation on voter fraud? The issue in Moldova, as in the US, is election fraud. The even higher order problem is that these elections are bourgeois capitalist elections to begin with, which means that even in the best of circumstances they will ultimately fail to serve the interests of the public (working class). Service to big business is baked in.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 22 2024 12:56 utc | 143

Land-bridge to Transnistria would obviously help the cause here – so any guess on when that might happen?
2025?
2026?
2030?
Never?

Posted by: Julian | Oct 22 2024 13:42 utc | 144

Posted by: Julian | Oct 22 2024 13:42 utc | 144
Wondering when you will contribute something worthwhile to this bar?
2025?
2026?
2030?
Never?

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Oct 22 2024 14:02 utc | 145

I will be voting for Jill Stein as well and hope she gets enough votes to wake up more American zombies.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 22 2024 5:12 utc | 133
Agreed. As a canadian i cannot vote in american elections.
Scratch that.
As a canadian i might be able to vote in american elections.
We may have more than 2 parties here but they all clapped like standing seals for natzi’s. Twice on the same day.
Scratch that.
We may have more than 1 party here but they all clapped like standing seals for natzi’s. Twice on the same day.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 22 2024 14:05 utc | 146

I can’t help but smile, because b like most of the citizens of the West actually believes that there had been a time when democracy is respected by the Western oligarchs. “If Voting Made a Difference, They Wouldn’t Let Us Do It”. That’s it!

Posted by: Steve | Oct 22 2024 14:11 utc | 147

So if the Associated Press says Tobias Cole is wrong then he must be lying, right?
Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 3:51 utc | 125
Its not hard to determine the AP is not lying in this story.
The first step would be to read the story:

“That claim is 100 percent false,” State Sen. Michael Gianaris, sponsor of the bill, confirmed to The Associated Press in a phone call.

Do you know how easy it is to check to see if the state senator is lying?
Do you know how easy it is to look up the NY statutes covering registration to vote?

STATE OF NEW YORK
2024 ELECTION LAW
ARTICLE 5—REGISTRATION AND ENROLLMENT OF VOTERS
§ 5–102. Qualifications of voters; age and residence
1. No person shall be qualified to register for and vote at
any election unless he is a citizen of the United States and is or
will be, on the day of such election, eighteen years of age or
over, and a resident of this state and of the county, city or
village for a minimum of thirty days next preceding such
election.

Posted by: jinn | Oct 22 2024 14:32 utc | 148

CIA, EU, WEF — all criminal organizations.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 22 2024 14:41 utc | 149

Thank you, William Gruff, for pointing out the obvious, that the issue in the US is not voter fraud, but election fraud. It was not a lack of ID cards that allowed the mass dumping of ballots at 2am, or the manipulation of the voting machines.
And for the record, although I’m sure that most non-Americans don’t care, California is mostly Dem only on the coast, with inland residents largely Rep. In Illinois, Chicagoland is the Blue part, with the rest of the state solidly Red. It’s like that in many other states as well.
And in Moldova, they were not voting to join the EU. For Pete’s sakes, we should known by now that citizens wanting to join the EU (or not wanting to or wanting to leave) has nothing to do with whether or not they will be allowed to join.
Have people learned nothing from Ukraine? Obviously, the most stupid in Ukraine have not learned, because 10 years after they had membership dangled in front of them so that they would join the Maidan, they are still not in the EU.
Now they are dying by the thousands, but it is still dangled in front of them?? And some still fall for it? And citizens of other countries look at the situation, but still fall for the enticements?
Sure, 44% of Moldovans, sure you’re going to join the EU. Just like Georgia. And Turkey.
Any day now.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 22 2024 16:00 utc | 150

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 22 2024 12:50 utc | 142
Where would this “professionalism” that you decry the lack of come from in the West?

I don’t understand the question. There’s nothing special about professional conduct, it is (in the West: it *used* to be) normal. Every poor third world country manages to have professional diplomats.
We’re seeing the decay in the West, and it affects all levels. Diplomats, politicians, generals is just the highly visible tip of the iceberg. It is of course entirely possible to change course although I reckon it’d take a while (one generation say). Among smaller countries: Norway has behaved more professionally in (hostile) diplomatic affairs than for example Canada or Finland. Among the major US vassals (France, Germany, UK), it seems hopeless but I believe this is just because little happens by chance in those places: control is pretty tight by now. If you see what the Slovaks or Hungarians still get away with, that’s out of the question in Germany. (And they will tighten the noose for the rest too: I am afraid we’ll see concrete punishment measures against Slovakia and Hungary soon. The announcements are already out).

University? Those campuses that are ideological “safe spaces” where anything approaching rational inquiry is verboten? Where even mathematics must now kneel at the alter of identity politics? Sadly, there is no professionalism to be found there these days.

I disagree. Most professionals are still behaving professionally: the engineers, nurses, many scientists. I am not aware of European mathematicians “kneeling at the altar of identity politics” although there’s a certain buildup (many “gender & math” professorships, for example).

There is no professionalism in the West, and there never will be again until western society’s economies and cultures are overthrown in revolution; the bloodletting is not elective at this point.

Nothing is over until the end. There’s a tug-of-war in the background (for example between industrial and financial capital: you can see this fought out among politicians) and I don’t agree with the defeatism. The situation is shitty, is likely to get more shitty but there’s no one-way road to shitdom. Too many unknowns: a civil war in the US or civil unrest in any EU country could happen — even if unlikely, we don’t know. So let’s fight our small battles without being hopeless all the time.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 22 2024 16:14 utc | 151

Hilarious:)
https://t.me/intelslava/68729

Posted by: blueswede | Oct 22 2024 16:42 utc | 152

@ james | Oct 21 2024 16:24 utc | 15
i take it you are romanian?? if so were you a fan of Ceaușescu?
Yes, I am Romanian, which should imply that I am closer and have some knowledge and understanding of the area much greater than the majority of people posting here, some from continents and oceans away.
As for Ceausescu, no, I wasn’t a fan of him until after the “Revolution”, when I saw what capitalism had in store for us. As for “democracy” western style, Caragiale taught us a lesson or two about it, especially when imbued with some good old Romanian “values”…

Posted by: Kouros | Oct 22 2024 16:56 utc | 153

@Angelo | Oct 21 2024 16:49 utc | 20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Romania
The population of Moldovans, Moldova west of River Prut is a founding province of modern Romania is in fact about 4.5 mil as of 2020. Many have moved in the west, from all over the country. What you seem to have quoted was the number of Moldovans in R of Moldova, that is east of River Prut. Check out the historical principality of Moldova and compare it with modern maps… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavia#/media/File:Moldova_(1483)-en.png
Yes, I am Romanian, which should imply that I am closer and have some knowledge and understanding of the area much greater than the majority of people posting here, some from continents and oceans away.
As for Ceausescu, no, I wasn’t a fan of him until after the “Revolution”, when I saw what capitalism had in store for us. As for “democracy” western style, Caragiale taught us a lesson or two about it, especially when imbued with some good old Romanian “values”…

Posted by: Kouros | Oct 22 2024 17:02 utc | 154

@hopehely | Oct 21 2024 17:35 utc | 32
“That year was that, Romania as an entity came to existence in late 19 century (and not in todays borders but much smaller).
Romania as a nation state did not exist before, so Moldova could not be taken away from a non-existing thing.”
How uneducated must you be in historical matters, and not only that of Romania and eastern Europe?
The United Principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia (Romanian: Principatele Unite ale Moldovei și Țării Românești), commonly called United Principalities or Wallachia and Moldavia, was the personal union of the Principality of Moldavia and the Principality of Wallachia. The union was formed 5 February [O.S. 24 January] 1859 when Alexandru Ioan Cuza was elected as the Domnitor (Ruling Prince) of both principalities. Their separate autonomous vassalage in the Ottoman Empire continued with the unification of both principalities. On 3 February [O.S. 22 January] 1862, Moldavia and Wallachia formally united to create the Romanian United Principalities, the core of the Romanian nation state.
On 21 May [O.S. 9 May] 1877, Romania proclaimed itself fully independent; the proclamation was sanctioned by the Domnitor the following day. Four years later, the 1866 constitution was modified and Romania became a kingdom, on 22 May [O.S. 10 May] 1881, Domnitor Carol I was crowned as the first King of Romania. After the First World War, Transylvania and other territories were also included.
Please check other European countries, like Italy:
The formation of the modern Italian state began in 1861 with the unification of most of the peninsula under the House of Savoy (Piedmont-Sardinia) into the Kingdom of Italy. Italy incorporated Venetia and the former Papal States (including Rome) by 1871 following the Franco-Prussian War (1870-71).
Or like Germany:
The first unification of Germany occurred in 1871 after Prussia’s victory in the Franco-Prussian War.
Check other countries and their popping up on the historical map, like Belgium, Finland, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece, etc.
As for the present day R of Moldova, please check the map of historical Moldova under Stephen the Great: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavia#/media/File:Moldova_(1483)-en.png
You will see that it encompases what is now R of Moldova and it is known to Romanians (be they Moldovans, Vallachians, Transylvanians, etc.) as Basarabia.

Posted by: Kouros | Oct 22 2024 17:14 utc | 155

@ Melaleuca | Oct 22 2024 5:14 utc
See detailed reply/comments/refs in October 22, 2024 – Election Musings – broad topic (non OT)

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 22 2024 17:32 utc | 156

D’Oh! above @ Melaleuca | Oct 22 2024 5:14 utc | 134

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 22 2024 17:34 utc | 157

There are no fair elections in many US locations………..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 20:13 utc | 68

What do you expect from “dial a vote” machines?
Why take the trouble and manipulate single votes when
you can just “dial” your wish into a voting machine?
Apropos:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_K%C3%B6nig_f%C3%BCr_Deutschland ( use translation.)
intriguing Novel with the issue transferred to German voting.

Posted by: MAKK | Oct 22 2024 17:35 utc | 158

Posted by: jinn | Oct 22 2024 14:32 utc | 148
The AP and some rando state senator are laughable to me as “proof.”
It’s all about setting up the machinery. When necessary they have a “computer glitch” and whoops, a million people get registered and voted.
After it’s over no one goes to jail and the results stand.
They already admitted to doing this once already.
I’m not sure why anyone would think the “law” would stop anyone.
Voting should be on one day, no mail in, no early voting. Paper ballots only that are archived. The only ID accepted should be a US passport. The only people who should get absentee ballots should be military and people in institutions (hospitals, senior homes etc.)

Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 22 2024 17:46 utc | 159

aristodemos @ 110
Thanks
jinn wants me going door to door asking questions. Wonder how that would work out. Not serious.
Pritzkers made their money long before Hyatt even existed. With their friends the Crowns they ran the Capone mob and have run the mob in Chicago ever since. The rackets made money but mostly it built an army. The real money started after WWII when real estate seized from interred Japanese was handed over to Crowns and Pritzkers in return for helping Truman in ’48 election.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 22 2024 19:11 utc | 160

Konami @151: “Most professionals over the age of fifty are still behaving professionally…”
Fixed that for you. More recent additions to STEM careers are becoming more like Dr. Lexus, and tell me you don’t see things trending towards this in medical diagnostics.
Older professionals are keeping their heads down to avoid attracting the attention of the crazy purple-haired, nose-ringed, sleeve-tattooed heresy/witch hunters. The only profession that Millennials forward respect and pursue with any passion is professional victimhood.
I have not seen a legitimate American (or European) “young professional” in decades, and that includes in engineering. The few people exhibiting professionalism I’ve run across lately are old and headed for retirement, or they are foreign nationals from the “Global South”.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 22 2024 19:47 utc | 161

Posted by: jinn | Oct 22 2024 14:32 utc | 148
“Do you know how easy it is to look up the NY statutes covering registration to vote?
STATE OF NEW YORK
2024 ELECTION LAW
ARTICLE 5—REGISTRATION AND ENROLLMENT OF VOTERS § 5–102.”
Oh, so there’s a law on the books. I feel much better now! Thanks for sharing. I find it just as reassuring as seeing the “gun free zone” sign when walking into the clinic and knowing that I am perfectly safe and protected because there’s a law that says so. I’m so relieved to know that this election is guaranteed to be fair.

Posted by: Paranaense | Oct 22 2024 21:34 utc | 162

Para 130:
Sounds like a par for the course mishap. Zero connection to Ukraine. Happened in CONUS with a newbie pilot. The plane would not have been doing any of its electronic warfare efforts for the Ukraine War, located almost literally halfway around the globe.
Naval aviation is dangerous.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 23 2024 1:39 utc | 163

DS Map update:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#11/51.2509568/35.0958252
Overall: Great day for the RFA. Took 42.5 kmsq. Well over double the pace of SEP (16/day).
Will be interesting to see how the month shakes out. I think RFA has had a lot of subpar days, so needs more like these, to continue previous month pace or to show acceleration. We shall see…I don’t keep a running tally, rely on the real mappers.
S to N:
1. 6 kmsq in fields E of Vodiane, N of Vuhledar. Starting to menace Bohiavlenka, which is now 2.7 klicks from the red and 1.3 clicks from the gray.
2. 5kmsq in fields E of Zoriane and including entry to the town. Half of it is in gray/red now (mostly gray).
3. 6 kmsq W of Tsukuryne. Seems to have taken whole town although DS didn’t concede it. (and don’t remember concession before.) Not sure what they are driving at/towards. Maybe protection for a salient reaching N towards Selydove? Or maybe just taking what is available to be taken.
4. 4 kmsq E of Selydove. Gray is definitely in E part of the city itself now. Mine and slag heap to NE not taken yet, but most of it is in gray (and even a little red). This is notable and shows the start of another direct effort to take the city.
5. Tiny (no kmsq) reversal within Toretsk. A “clarification” by DS, so maybe not even a reversal, but a correction. Still tiny, tiny. And it seems like a sine wave here, where we have had this tiny back and forth a couple full cycles now! Anyhow not significant in territory or strategy. Other than showing UFA still prevents RFA advance in that town.
6. 20 (!) kmsq to the S of Nevske, including the capture of small hamlet Novasadove. Haven’t seen much on this in the Twitter sphere. Wonder if it is cope concession or real advance. Seems to large for a real advance. If it was cope concession, it was not just gray zone conversion but a lot of green converted. Strategically Terne and all the towns/fields on the E side of the Zherebets reservoirs are now threatened from the N. For that matter, the salient itself is north of the row of lakes and already has gray across the (much smaller when not in a lake) river. So conceivably an effort could be made to develop a position allowing push down the W side of the lakes!
7. 1.5 kmsq within Kruhliakivka. Entire town is now in red or gray (half and half). Ukrops still control the bridge (i.e. in green) to the E of town. But RFA is basically at the E side of it. Very unlikely to be usable by UFA, at this stage.
8. Small movement in gray zone in Kursk, SW of Olgovka. In favor of the Ukrops.

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 23 2024 2:05 utc | 164

Posted by: Kouros | Oct 22 2024 16:56 utc | 153
I am originally from Hungary. I hope one day we get back Transylvania, i.e. Erdely.

Posted by: Peter Schmidt | Oct 23 2024 4:48 utc | 165

Re: #13, NO. In almost 15 years living in California, we’ve never once been asked to show any ID.
When I once remarked to a poll “worker” that she should be checking my ID and everyone else’s, and not letting anyone vote without ID proving citizenship (a US passport), the mindless little bitch threatened to call the police on ME.
We could go to random additional polling stations and cast “provisional votes” that likely will never be verified, merely counted. Presumably people are doing that on behalf of the democrats.

Posted by: RadicalCenter | Oct 23 2024 16:00 utc | 166

Americans should never have to pay to exercise our natural God-given RIGHT to move and travel in and out of our country. Passports always should have been provided to all US citizens at no cost.
Only US passports can serve as proof of citizenship, because many States give driver’s licenses to non-citizens. A driver’s license is valid to show home address, but it does nothing to prove citizenship.
Nobody should be allowed to vote unless he presents both a US passport and a US state driver’s license (or other state-issued photo ID).
Any “election integrity” measure that doesn’t restrict voting to people presenting both a US passport and a state photo ID with home address, is fucking useless.

Posted by: RadicalCenter | Oct 23 2024 16:05 utc | 167

@Peter Schmidt | Oct 23 2024 4:48 utc | 165
I am originally from Hungary. I hope one day we get back Transylvania, i.e. Erdely.
You really must be delusional mister. Have you been there? To get to Transylvania, you have to cross a sea of Romanians in Crisana, Banat, Satu Mare, Maramures, where the Hungarian population is in minority. As for Transylvania, you have only Covasna, Harghita and half of Mures counties with sizable Hungarian population, rest of the counties are full packed with Romanians.
Why would you think that all these many millions would want to live under Hungarian rule, again?
Or you would like to see Budapest occupied by the Romanian Army the third time?

Posted by: Kouros | Oct 23 2024 17:02 utc | 168