"Democracy" in Moldova
Yesterday's election and referendum in Moldova again demonstrate how little respect the official 'West' has for the holy grail called 'democracy'.
Moldova backs joining EU by razor-thin margin as president condemns ‘assault’ on democracy - CNN
Moldovans have voted by the thinnest of margins in favor of joining the European Union, near-complete results showed Monday, as President Maia Sandu condemned an “unprecedented assault” by foreign actors on the country’s democracy.With more than 99% of votes counted, 50.4% had voted “yes” in the pivotal referendum on whether to enshrine in the country’s constitution a path towards the EU, according to the Central Election Commission.
In 1990 Moldovia had 4.5 million inhabitants. This is down to 2.5. to 3 million today, of which nearly a million are living abroad.
Abroad is also where a real vote on a referendum would be decided. And abroad is where the manipulation of yesterday's vote took place.
These were the result before the votes of those who live abroad were counted in:
Europe Elects @EuropeElects - 5:50 UTC · Oct 21, 2024Moldova, EU membership referendum:
98.8% counted
The difference is for 744 votes for In favorAgainst: 50%
In favor: 50%
Former British ambassador Craig Murray watched the vote:
Craig Murray @CraigMurrayOrg - 14:39 UTC · Oct 21, 2024Moldova's rigged EU referendum "voted in favour" of joining the EU by 50.4% to 49.6%.
No led until the last minute when 180,000 votes from Moldovans living in the EU were added in at a claimed 90% Yes.
While allegedly only 5% of the 300,000 Moldovans living in Russia voted!
Why didn't more of those Moldovans who are living in Russia go to vote? The Russian Ambassador in Vienna explains:
Mikhail Ulyanov @Amb_Ulyanov - 14:00 UTC · Oct 21, 2024Moldovan authorities opened only two polling stations in Moscow for 400,000 Moldovan citizens living in Russia (instead of 17 in the past). And someone calls the current Moldovan authorities “democratic”? Gross manipulation of elections and referendum on #EU membership.
No 'Western' media will inform the public about this manipulation which l might well lead to an outcome that the majority of Moldovans oppose.
Posted by b on October 21, 2024 at 15:37 UTC | Permalink
next page »Thank you B.
For those who don’t know the U.S. system well:
1) No ID required to vote, just go to polling place and state your name, sign a big book
2) No ID required to register to vote, just fill out a card and mail it in
3) Voting rolls are rarely updated. Anytime a voting roll is audited - 10% or more of registered voters are long dead or also registered elsewhere
4) in some districts more votes are cast than adults living in district.
vote early , vote often is a slogan from the 1820s
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 15:52 utc | 2
Great more Eastern Europeans to come live off benefits in the UK
Posted by: Boardindundee | Oct 21 2024 15:59 utc | 4
thanks b...
this is living testimony to just how fake democracy in the west is.. and i like what @ 3 nwwoods says too... may as well throw the usa/uk into that same description..
Posted by: james | Oct 21 2024 15:59 utc | 5
Moldova is a poison chalice for the EU to quaff. Moldova's ascension is carried on the back EC taxpayers that will not be asked to agree to their contribution to the Eastern enlargement.
Europe is dragging anchor and Moldova will ensure it takes on more water.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 21 2024 16:00 utc | 6
A couple of remarks on Moldova from today and yesterday - apart from anti-Russian sentiment from Sandu and her mostly foreign government - for me Moldova is slowly but surely being absorbed into Romania.
Moldovans go to the polls today (Sunday) - in what is a an extremely important day in Moldova's history - they are voting in domestic elections and an election on joining the EU - the West has many NGO's along with the NED and CIA plus EU security services and NGO's working to influence the votes, the current President Maia Sandu is very anti-Russian.
Also - and very unusual - these foreigners are in very prominent positions in Moldova and have access to swing the vote illegally.
"According to available sources, the following people have Romanian citizenship:
the head of state,
the president of Parliament,
the prime Minister,
the Minister for Foreign Affairs,
the vast majority of ministers and members of parliament of the ruling party,
most heads of state offices,
the members of the Constitutional Court,
the head of the secret service."
https://www.thomasfazi.com/p/the-western-threat-to-moldovas-future
The 10,000 Western NGO's in Moldova - along with the help of the government position held by pro-Western foreigners (Romanian) - stuffed the ballot boxes at the last minute to swing the votes in the Wests direction.
"A knife-edge majority of Moldovans have approved incumbent pro-Western President Maia Sandu’s EU accession plans, election officials said on Monday, following an almost complete count of a ballot on the issue.
According to Moldova’s Central Electoral Commission, with 99.5% of the ballots counted, 50.4% of voters backed Sandu’s plan to enshrine integration with the EU in the former Soviet country’s constitution, while 49.6% voted against the step.
The tally came as something of a surprise, given that preliminary results issued late on Sunday had indicated that a slight majority of voters were against the move. According to media reports, the ‘yes’ camp received a last-minute push from ballots cast by Moldovans living abroad, which were counted towards the end."
Also - Italian observer of the Moldovan elections Larisa Brunescu - was physically threatened and kicked- out of a polling station -she was told not to write any notes or take any pictures - or record anything, The actions of the committee members “speak of some serious irregularities,” Brunescu believes. She claimed that she counted fewer than 1,000 voters at the polling station, though the committee had “4,000 ballots.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 21 2024 16:00 utc | 7
Indeed, the vote likely was rigged.
However, R of Moldova is not only a former RSS, or a gubernia in Russia, but is the eastern half of the sizable Moldova, now part of Romania.
There are over 7 million Moldovans living in Romania.
If cheating it takes to bring back Moldova to Romania, so be it. Cheating and war was used to take it away in the first place (Russians used/bought a Greek Dragoman that lied to the Ottomans and didn't disclose that France was attacking Russia at the times negotiations were taking place).
Posted by: Kouros | Oct 21 2024 16:00 utc | 8
Thomas Fazi had a nice piece on this, actually by György Varga, the former Hungarian ambassador to the Republic of Moldova. Varga points out that "40 percent of the working-age population lives abroad and had until September 6 to register to vote. Logically, most people registered from Russia (38 percent), followed by those living in Italy (11.5 percent), then Germany (9 percent), the United States (6.6 percent) and Romania (5 percent). Despite this, only two polling stations are open in Russia, while there are 60 in Italy, 26 in Germany, 20 in France, 17 in the United Kingdom, 16 in Romania, 16 in the United States, 11 in Spain, 10 in Ireland and six in Portugal."
Posted by: guvawy | Oct 21 2024 16:04 utc | 9
Main stream media had messages about supposedly Russian agents promising money to voters if they voted against in the EU referendum. They where to spend 14 million Euro on this. Of course from its part the EU promised 1.8 billion to Moldova in "aid", which the MSM did not see as influencing elections at all.
Does anybody have any info on the supposed Russian money, or the source for these messages?
Posted by: Ronald Portier | Oct 21 2024 16:05 utc | 10
What happens to Transnistria if Moldova joins the EU?
https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-states-transnistria
For those who don’t know the U.S. system well:
1) No ID required to vote, just go to polling place and state your name, sign a big book
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 15:52 utc | 2
In the US each state has its own rules.
In most US states a photo ID is required every time you vote. Some states only require an ID when you first register to vote. I don't believe there is any US state where you can vote without ever showing an ID or some proof that you are eligible to vote.
https://theconsumervoice.org/uploads/files/events/Voter-ID-Requirements-by-State-1.pdf
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 16:19 utc | 13
Yes, the vote was corrupted, and I expect civil violence to rise in Moldova as a response. Currently, there are many reasons to revolt against the Sandu government as it differs little from Zelensky's. That Russia's done nothing to show support by moving towards Odessa must also concern the majority of Moldovans who voted against EU/NATO. When I retired last night, it was 56-44% against with 90% of vote counted. Although not stated on the ballot, I saw the vote as a referendum on continuing Moldova's CIS status, which Sandu is out to destroy. IMO, if Moldovans try to liberate themselves, Sandu will invite Romanian troops in to stamp-out the attempt. I'm curious to see how Russian public opinion responds.
@ Kouros | Oct 21 2024 16:00 utc | 8
i take it you are romanian?? if so were you a fan of Ceaușescu?
Posted by: james | Oct 21 2024 16:24 utc | 15
Well...
At least the Dept of State and associated 3LAs just stole an election rather than their usual technique of murdering a bunch of people in an outright coup.
I'd guess Moldavians have just been signed up to be cannon fodder for the sociopaths who rule DC, London and heh..heh..Brussels. Nazism is alive and well.
Posted by: S Brennan | Oct 21 2024 16:25 utc | 16
The futility of voting. Once you participate, you have endorsed the system, and tacitly accepted it. I think people should just resist, refuse and revolt. Society has moved away from supporting the individual with infrastructure and an accommodating fair legal system, to imprisoning and limiting the individual with ever increasing restrictions and control. I never voted for this!
Go back to building roads, provide sanitation and security but otherwise leave me alone.
Posted by: g wiltek | Oct 21 2024 16:26 utc | 17
@ exile
Perhaps you should actually research a little before spouting xian nationalist lies regurgitated by the oligarchy propaganda machine.
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 21 2024 16:33 utc | 18
@ Kouros | Oct 21 2024 16:00 utc | 8
As per Wikipedia = Moldovans living in Romania
Moldova 2,023,069
(including 135,957 Moldovans from Transnistria)[2]
a fan of Ceaușescu?
More likely Romanian
Posted by: Angelo | Oct 21 2024 16:49 utc | 20
Just a brief look at the Brennan Center's financials, and these funders' names jumped out at me: Amazon, JP Morgan Chase, BoA, and Open Society Foundation (Soros).
Posted by: JulianJ | Oct 21 2024 16:49 utc | 21
Statement by Maria Zakharova on Moldovan vote:
On October 20, the first round of presidential elections and a constitutional referendum on the republic's accession to the European Union were held in Moldova.The election campaign was conducted by the Moldovan authorities by anti-democratic, totalitarian methods. Unable to compete on equal terms with political opponents, the Moldovan leadership made extensive use of administrative resources, carried out repressions against opposition politicians and independent media.
Such a policy was justified by the need to counteract the non-existent "destructive influence of Russia." Our country was unsubstantiated accused of interfering in the internal affairs of Moldova and trying to influence the will of the citizens of the republic. The culmination of the large-scale anti-Russian campaign unleashed by Chisinau was the decision to open only two polling stations in Russia, where, according to various estimates, from 300 to 500 thousand Moldovan citizens live, under a far-fetched pretext. At the same time, about two hundred of them were organized in the United States and Western Europe.
All this happened against the backdrop of overt Western interference in the electoral process in Moldova. Politicians from the EU member states during their numerous visits to Chisinau openly campaigned in support of the current Moldovan leadership and its so-called European project.
International monitoring structures and observers have yet to assess the vote. At the same time, the media have already reported on numerous violations and falsifications on the part of the authorities, as well as the facts of organized "transportation" of voters to polling stations in Western Europe.
Even the observation mission of such a biased structure as the OSCE ODIHR, in its interim report and preliminary conclusions, could not pass over in silence the unpleasant situation in the pre-election period and during the voting.
Based on the results of the vote count at this stage, it can be concluded that the results of the vote for the leadership of Moldova and their Western sponsors are disappointing. The project of the country's integration into the European Union promoted by them did not receive unequivocal support. The majority of citizens living in the republic itself, in fact, rejected it. A slight advantage was ensured by the maximum mobilization of voters living in Western Europe and North America, and the unprecedented restriction of voting opportunities in Russia. The same applies to the distribution of votes received by the current head of state.
The dynamics of voting in the referendum is also noteworthy. After processing 42.5% of the protocols, only 44.07% of voters supported the idea of joining the EU, 55.93% were against. When 71.25% of the ballots were processed, the gap remained: "for" - 44.68%, "against" - 55.32%. Then it began to decline rapidly – and inexplicably for many in Moldova – and after processing 99% of the protocols, the result was "for" – 50.3%, "against" – 49.7%.
It should also be taken into account that many Moldovan citizens preferred not to participate in the referendum, thus refusing to support the discredited "European Moldova" project.
Moldovans see what is really hidden behind the façade of the idea of Moldova's membership in the European Union and understand the true intentions of the West towards their country. Its ultimate goal is to turn the republic into a Russophobic appendage of NATO deprived of sovereignty, erase the national identity of Moldovans, their language, culture and history, implant neoliberal values alien to Moldovan society, and completely sever ties with Russia. Moldovans said "no" to this.
For our part, we always respect the choice made by the Moldovans and advocate the preservation and development of ties with the friendly Moldovan people.
My assessment's vindicated regarding the corrupt vote. Moldovans will need to revolt if they want to retain what little freedom remains for them. Either that or somehow move to Russia. Russian non-interference policy while commendable does nothing to help when the opposition breaks all the rules with impunity.
In most States, an up-to-date photo ID is required to vote, but in States run by Democrat criminals, nothing is required...and even people dead for 100 years keep voting..
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Oct 21 2024 16:58 utc | 23
In Moldova, the "election manipulation operation" was apparently successful.
After it seemed as if a majority of Moldovans had voted against joining the EU in the referendum, the tide turned during the counting of the last 10 percent of the votes and now there appears to be a razor-thin majority in favor of joining the EU.
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On Monday night, the Moldovan electoral commission reported that after 90.04 percent of the votes cast in the referendum on the country's EU accession had been counted, 53.8 percent of voters had voted against joining the EU. However, during the counting of the last ten percent of the votes, the tide seems to have turned and on Monday afternoon it was reported that after 98.6 percent of the votes had been counted, a razor-thin majority of 50.27 percent had voted in favor of joining the EU. In numbers, this means that 740,725 voters were in favor and 732,891 against.
Of course, people immediately talk about electoral fraud when an election result changes like this when the last ten percent of the votes are counted, but I suspect that there was no need for fraud, but that the measures introduced by the pro-Western government before the election to manipulate the election results were sufficient.
Why the votes of exiled Moldovans are decisive
There are 3.5 million Moldovans, but about a million people have left the country because of the extreme poverty. About half of the emigrants went to Russia, the other half to the West. Of course, the majority of exiled Moldovans vote according to the country they emigrated to. Exiled Moldovans in Europe vote pro-Western, exiled Moldovans in Russia vote the opposite way.
With such a large number of emigrants, exiled Moldovans are of course an important group in elections, because they make up about a third of those eligible to vote.
In elections, the votes cast in the country are usually counted and reported first, while postal votes and votes cast abroad are only included in the election results somewhat later. This paints a fairly clear picture: the majority of people in Moldova, whose votes were included first in the election results, were against joining the EU, although some opposition groups called for a boycott of the referendum, which means that not everyone who is against joining the EU actually voted.
The votes of exiled Moldovans were therefore crucial in turning the result around to a narrow majority in favor of Moldova joining the EU. And that's where the manipulations of the Moldovan government come into play.
The rigged election
Although about half a million Moldovans live in Russia and about half a million Moldovans in the West, the Moldovan government has only opened two polling stations in Russia, in front of which very long queues naturally formed because they could only handle an estimated 10,000 voters.
For the other half a million exiled Moldovans who live in the West and vote in line with the pro-Western government, 234 polling stations were opened in 37 countries, which was almost 90 polling stations more than in the last elections in 2020.
In the breakaway republic of Transnistria, where the majority of people are against Moldova joining the EU, the Moldovan government has also restricted voting opportunities by reducing the number of polling stations there from 41 to 31 compared to the last election in 2020.
There is also another manipulation of the election results, as this year Moldova allowed postal voting for the first time, albeit with significant restrictions. Only exiled Moldovans living in Norway, Iceland, the USA, Finland and Sweden - in other words, countries where a particularly pro-Western election result was expected - were given the opportunity to vote by post.
In Russia, however, where exiled Moldovans were de facto denied the opportunity to vote by opening only two polling stations, there was no possibility of postal voting.
Since votes from abroad are the last to be included in the election result, this explains why the result changed so significantly when the last ten percent of the votes were counted.
By using these tricks to ensure that its critics were massively hindered from participating in the referendum and the presidential election that was taking place at the same time, the Moldovan government somehow ensured that the result it wanted was achieved, even though the majority of eligible voters obviously wanted a different result.
This is how “Western democracy” really works…
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By Anti Spiegel
One of the best analysts in Russia and Ukraine
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https://anti-spiegel.ru/2024/in-moldawien-war-die-operation-wahlmanipulation-offenbar-erfolgreich/
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Posted by: ossi | Oct 21 2024 16:58 utc | 24
Totally rigged, just like the 2020 US elections rigged by the Soros Open Society Group and the Obama/Holder/Rice/Zuckerberg/Google/Gates group, and very similar to rigging of Irish constitutional referendum all by similar bad actors.
There needs to be a recount, and the last minute "foreign" votes need to be thrown out. Notice that foreign MI6 CIA NGO's were allowed to influence the election with endless propaganda, but opposition foreign forces were not.
Just like the Irish referendum on the 8th Amendment. Where Soros allied groups were allowed to influence the 8th amendment vote in favor of repeal, while US Catholic groups were banned from supporting the 8th amendment.
Its all a set up............
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 16:59 utc | 25
I’ve voted in
California ( 4 locations)
New York ( 4 locations )
Ohio ( 2 locations )
Minnesota (1 location )
Washington DC (1 location )
Never had to show ID in 30 years.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 17:00 utc | 26
Re: U.S. voting
Around 1990, I registered my dog to vote ( as a joke ) filled out the card ; put as employment “watchdog”
First Name - Rudy
Middle Name - The
Last Name - Dog
Sure enough a few weeks later a card arrived addressed to
Mr. Rudy the Dog
Informing where his polling station was located
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 17:05 utc | 27
There needs to be a recount
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 16:59 utc | 25
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Alternatively a referendum could be held in Europe asking the citizens of the member states if they want to accept the burden of Moldova in their Union.
I'm pretty sure Europeans were never asked for their opinion on this matter.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 21 2024 17:13 utc | 28
4.
I thought the UK left the EU.? The East Europeans tend to be hardworking industrious people. Plenty of multi lingual Scottish kids have East European ancestry. You should read the recent census. The majority of migrants to Scotland are rUK retirees. They can't retire to France and Spain post Brexit so the main destination is now rural Scotland.
Posted by: Cavery | Oct 21 2024 17:26 utc | 29
They can't retire to France and Spain post Brexit so the main destination is now rural Scotland.
Posted by: Cavery | Oct 21 2024 17:26 utc | 29
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Isn't that just lovely.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 21 2024 17:28 utc | 30
Significant Civil unrest on the horizon. :(
@ S Brennan | Oct 21 2024 16:25 utc | 16
Don't hold your breath, that may be next, depending ...
@ g wiltek | Oct 21 2024 16:26 utc | 17
It's not the voting ... 'tis who & how the ballots are counted.
Posted by: Kouros | Oct 21 2024 16:00 utc | 8
If cheating it takes to bring back Moldova to Romania, so be it. Cheating and war was used to take it away in the first place (Russians used/bought a Greek Dragoman that lied to the Ottomans and didn't disclose that France was attacking Russia at the times negotiations were taking place).
That year was that, Romania as an entity came to existence in late 19 century (and not in todays borders but much smaller).
Romania as a nation state did not exist before, so Moldova could not be taken away from a non-existing thing.
Posted by: hopehely | Oct 21 2024 17:35 utc | 32
Never had to show ID in 30 years.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 17:00 utc | 26
Thirty years ago I also voted without ever showing ID, but Republican paranoia about voter fraud has made it far more difficult to vote in most US states in the last couple of decades.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 17:44 utc | 33
Kinda the same shenanigans in Scotland in 2014. Scots born living outwith Scotland didnt get a vote to determine Scotland's future but rUK students or holiday home owners did and on the eve of the vote we were told we would have devolution max and by the way we were told along with the hundreds of thousands of EU nationals who did have the vote that Scotland would have to leave the EU and wouldn't get back in. But as now can see economic powerhouse Moldova can. Same crap in 2016 where Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU but was dragged out by the English. Guess they needed Scotland to rehome the retirees. The EU nationals didn't get a vote in 2016.
Posted by: Cavery | Oct 21 2024 17:49 utc | 34
Wow! I thought there might be some shenanigans, but this is straight out vote tailoring.
Posted by: rert | Oct 21 2024 17:51 utc | 35
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 15:52 utc | 2
That's interesting.
In my country, you have to show your ID, after which your entry is checked on the official voters list, and only then you get your ballot.
Same with mail-in ballot: you can only apply if you show your ID and it's counter-checked with the voters registry.
Is it really that easy in the US to get the ballot? Sounds fishy...
Posted by: Verdant | Oct 21 2024 17:54 utc | 36
jinn @ 13
It is up to registrar to ask for the ID. The registrar is likely a party hack. Often not someone who lives in the district. Often getting a bounty for new registrations.
I occasionally get mail for half a dozen people who used to live at my address. I could get mail in ballots for all of them if I wanted to. I do not open mail not addressed to me but do know that mailings from Secretary of State (driver's licence renewal) or Medicaid or Medicare are going to include voter registration solicitations. If I were to get and send mail ballots there is no check in the system that would catch that. Only a real and full audit of registrations would find anything. No one in power wants that.
Posted by: oldhipie | Oct 21 2024 18:04 utc | 37
Ya Vox Day on his blog said the same, basically this treated same way as US 2020 election….. magical last minute ballots found.
I spend 30 minutes a day trolling on Reddit all the people so passionate about being for team Camel Toe or team Drumpft..they really don’t want to know the truth that they get the government selected for them, not the one they thought they voted for. Why I stopped voting; no point to it when it is not going to matter.
Posted by: dr smith | Oct 21 2024 18:13 utc | 38
Posted by: rert | Oct 21 2024 17:51 utc | 35
> Wow! I thought there might be some shenanigans, but this is straight out vote tailoring.
Maybe, but since it is for 'our cause' (Romanian: cauza noastră) it is all good.
Posted by: hopehely | Oct 21 2024 18:26 utc | 39
As an EU citizen, I welcome my new EU cousins.
Now, you'll have to reap what you sowed.
Posted by: Ogre | Oct 21 2024 18:31 utc | 40
Excellent b, this should be spread far and wide.
Everybody knows what is going to happen to it. Before you can say fix, the Guardian will have Moldova as the number 1 cheap holiday destination in Europe. Film makers will be getting awards in Cannes and Holywood for portraying Russian Moldovans as the devil. Men will be women and women will be men.
1) Their new masters will Remove their coin and replace it with the ECB and load them up with ECB debt. Fiscal rules dictated from an unelected parliament in Brussels.
2) Their new masters will acquire cheap raw materials and cheap workers;
3) Their new masters industrial output will be dumped on
their consumer market; Their retail stores will move in.
4) Their new masters will advertise Moldova as a low-cost tourist destination to try to attract Euro's and repay ECB debt. While buying up real estate at cheap prices. As their hotels move in.
5) Their new masters will outsource obsolete technologies, and low-tech, low labour-cost, assembly-line manufacturing in the name of “development” and “cooperation”, guaranteeing Moldova remains locked at the bottom of the global value chain. While Moldova On the other hand have import high value added goods at high cost.
6) Their new masters will force them to run trade surpluses, sending their real resources to their masters. While their assets are stripped and privatised. Their trade surpluses will never be big enough to pay off ECB debt as 2) to 6) only increases ECB debt. In a self feeding feedback loop.
Until eventually, the IMF knock on their door. Bail them out on one condition. They must double down and then triple down on 2) to 6). Rinse and repeat and rinse repeat into a debtors prison they can't escape from. Until all that is left is an empty husk with a dozen NATO bases on it.
Anybody with any sense will have moved already or getting packed to make that move. Let those who voted for it live in the complete mess they are going to create for themselves.
Serbia is next and top of their list and then Belarus. The exact same voting tactics will be used.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 21 2024 18:37 utc | 41
As of the midday central Europe time, with almost 50% of voting counted, it was an exiguous 32% who had voted for joining the EU...in front of a 68% who had voted against....
At the same time it was Maia Sandu who was throwing an less than a 50% for the presidential post...as it happens everywhere in Europe where all comprador candidates never reach absolute majority and are oblied to form coalition of governments
It looks like impossible to make such turn around...
They are decided to imposse on us the will of that minority who live on US and UK payement in each of our countries to gurantee NATO occupation and keep us under colonial state....
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 21 2024 18:38 utc | 42
Re: U.S. voting registration
Unlike in most countries, in the U.S. one doesn’t officially notify authorities when one changes residence. There isn’t a central registrar to cross coordinate voting rolls with up-to-date residency data bank.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 18:43 utc | 43
@Boardindundee
"Great more Eastern Europeans to come live off benefits in the UK"
Don't worry, they'll all end up in Germoney.
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 21 2024 18:44 utc | 44
jinn | Oct 21 2024 16:19 utc | 13
I’m sorry, but you are misinformed. California now has forbidden the asking for ID in ANY election in the state, including local school boards or town councils.
My own experience over decades in NY was never being asked for ID. I was merely asked for a name and the voter rolls were checked for that name’s registry.
There is an excellent and quite funny Preston Sturges movie (The Great McGinty) on government corruption in general and voting in particular. Made in 1940, it reveals how voting corruption is a time-honored practice.
Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 21 2024 18:44 utc | 45
Thanks for sharing this information. Most news channels I read up till know hadn't touched on this (yet).
The election results in Venezuela had a high difference of 51,95% for Maduro versus 43,18% Gaido usurping successor Gonzales but that didn't stop the West from screaming "fraud" and deciding to crown their usurper president of Venezuela.
Posted by: xor | Oct 21 2024 18:45 utc | 46
For those who don’t know the U.S. system well:
1) No ID required to vote, just go to polling place and state your name, sign a big book
2) No ID required to register to vote, just fill out a card and mail it in
3) Voting rolls are rarely updated. Anytime a voting roll is audited - 10% or more of registered voters are long dead or also registered elsewhere
4) in some districts more votes are cast than adults living in the district.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 15:52 utc | 2
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In Texas where I vote, except for#2, nothing you said is true. These allegations are a red herring spouted by Republican politicians to allow them to pass laws or voting rules that impede voting by minorities. In fact, for over twenty years I have had to present a state-approved identification and a voter registration card at the voting booth to vote.
The problem with voting in Texas is NOT easy access to the voting booth; it is too few voting booths in too few locations in Black and Hispanic neighborhoods, causing long lines that you will never see in the wealthy and middle-class white neighborhoods. And this is a reality in most Republican-controlled US States: That is, it is by design.
I suggest you take your red herring and fish. LOL!
Posted by: Ed | Oct 21 2024 18:46 utc | 47
They desperately want Serbia.
Orban highlighted it was his number one priority, while Hungary holds the rotating presidency at the EU during his speech. So proud that the last time Hungary was the rotating president they dragged Croatia in.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 21 2024 18:50 utc | 48
the little whore Maiala Sandu can't wait to be part of LGBTQ+-*/ etc. europe.
I think Moldova will end up like Ukraine....
Posted by: kamma43muri | Oct 21 2024 18:52 utc | 49
@Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 21 2024 16:56 utc | 22
Moldovans should be in a hurry to move to Russia...before the forced mobilization starts once Ukraine totally defeated...
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Oct 21 2024 18:58 utc | 50
So Moldova was once part of Greater Romania - maybe that's why Moldovans except many Romanians in prominent government and judicial positions - which no other country would tolerate; also there's the Transnistria region - which declared itself independent and has the backing of Russia - Transnistria is wedged between Moldova and Ukraine - both hostile to its existence.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 21 2024 18:58 utc | 51
Kissinger explained several years ago what is "true democracy":
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/30/henry-kissinger-chile-argentina-south-america
«The files published by the NSA make clear Kissinger’s central role in the Chilean coup. [...] “I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people,” he said. “The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.”»
That does not apply just to Chile, but also to Penssylvania or Illinois, never mind Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia.
Moldova is yet another case where the Russian Federation has been brutally outplayed by the USA. Some of the reasons why the USA keeps outplaying the RF:
* USA corporate are far more internationalized than RF ones and demand of the USA government the vassalization of foreign markets.
* The USA bribes the upper and middle classes of potential vassals a better "comprador" deal entirely at the expense of the lower classes.
* Part of the "comprador" deal is that the social darwinist ideology of the USA ("winners must win, losers must lose", "Fuck you! I got mine") really appeals to those upper and middle classes and the RF does not have a competing ideology to appeal to the lower classes, which is what the USSR at least nominally had.
Posted by: Blissex | Oct 21 2024 19:00 utc | 52
@ Kouros | Oct 21 2024 16:00 utc | 8
i take it you are romanian?? if so were you a fan of Ceaușescu?
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God that's stupid. Being a socialist and being a "fan of Ceausescu" are two wildly different things. Opposing EU membership does not equate with being a fan of Ceausescu.
Posted by: JAB | Oct 21 2024 19:01 utc | 53
Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 21 2024 18:44 utc | 45
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California is primarily a Democratic state, why would they support voting rules that hinder their voters? The Republicans don't and that is for dam sure. The two-party system is set up that way, the party in power at the state level determines the voting rules for that state.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 21 2024 19:02 utc | 54
Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 21 2024 18:44 utc | 45
Thumb up for Preston Sturges. Just watched it again this weekend as it is part of a personal mini fest on US politics that I tend to watch every four years. Starts rolling when McGinty gets paid to vote 37 times for the same preferred mayorial candidate on one election night.
* The Great McGinty, Preston Sturges, 1940.
* Advise and Consent, Otto Preminger, 1962.
* The Candidate, Michael Ritchie, 1972
* Nashville, Robert Altman, 1976
For my money McGinty is even better than Wag the Dog.
Also recommended are a collection of essays by Plunkitt of Tammany Hall, by an honest New York political grifter.
Posted by: kvp | Oct 21 2024 19:04 utc | 55
xor (46).
I think it was Jimmy Carter who said that Venezuelan elections were some of the best in the world.
“As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we’ve monitored, I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world.”
Jimmy Carter.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 21 2024 19:04 utc | 56
Posted by: Verdant | Oct 21 2024 17:54 utc | 36
«Is it really that easy in the US to get the ballot? Sounds fishy...»
Most counties in the USA are run by one-party political machines and even federal voting not just local voting is controlled by local authorities.
These political machines owned by the biggest real estate and business owners of a county are designed to guarantee that the "right" candidates get elected because there is immense corruption in the USA at the local level and the local real estate and business owners loot the local government as much as they can.
So the rules that get enforced are those that prevent other candidates from appearing and those that are not enforced are those that prevent machine candidates from winning. In many counties elections are pure farces.
An important detail is that in many USA counties there is in effect no separation of powers as the local executive, the local legislative body, the local police and the local judges are also elected, and if a political machine can control elections they can control all elections and put their people in control of legislation, governing, policing and judging, and they do.
Traditional american sayings: "You cannot fight City Hall" and if you do "You will never work in this town again".
If instead federal elections were organized and controlled at the federal level they would be a lot cleaner, because there switching of which clique in power at the federal level, so no cliques want to create a situation where the other cliques can take long term control of elections.
Posted by: Blissex | Oct 21 2024 19:13 utc | 57
Re: Walking Around Money
Try explaining to a European or Japanese the concept of walking around money on Election Day
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 19:22 utc | 58
Dumbocracy in Moldova.... Unless a few have balls, the dumbocracy of Moldova will be Ukrained.
For a bit of filler so as not to be a one liner, I can't think of anything more to add. Everything is in hiatus as we wait upon the inauguration of the face of war on China.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 21 2024 19:22 utc | 59
Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 21 2024 18:44 utc | 45
«movie (The Great McGinty) on government corruption in general and voting in particular. Made in 1940, it reveals how voting corruption is a time-honored practice.»
It is not only as widespread and traditional as the flag, motherhood and apple pie, but it is also largely irrelevant for two reasons:
* In many of the one-party-forever places controlled by political machines which party wins is already known, so election manipulation does not change the result. So for example widespread and massive voting "management" in many California counties did not change the result, just increased the D margin of victory, and same for R controlled counties in other states.
* What really matters is not how many votes there are for whom, but who selects/nominates the candidates. The principle is "the proles can vote for whoever they want after we have nominated whoever we want".
Sure exactly which candidate/political clique wins matters tactically, to the careers of one clique or another, but the overall outcome does not change change much. Trump terrifies both the D and R political machines because he is mercurial, so whether him or Hillary/Joe gets elected would make a difference, while people like Bush, Kerry, McCain, Obama, Gore are essentially interchangeable.
Julius Nyerere: “The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.”
Gore-Vidal: “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party [...] and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat.”
Posted by: Blissex | Oct 21 2024 19:23 utc | 60
Texas ?
LBJ and Ballot Box 13
The iconic photo is to die for
Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 19:24 utc | 61
So, Transnistria is in the EU now ... with the actual version of UE's treaties package it oblige them to join NATO at least with an association treaty. Get why the eurocrates did it ?
Even with a vote against they'll have done it. Ask the Frenchs or the Dutchs what happens when you say "NO" (with capitals) to the Divine EU ... they made your "NO" a "YES" anyway. EU simply don't care about popular votes : why bother thyself riggin' an election ?
Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Oct 21 2024 19:31 utc | 62
@ Peter AU1 | Oct 21 2024 19:22 utc | 59
Whooah! Welcome back mate. What can I get ya ?
Regarding President Maia Sandu - The Laws of my Administration
Those saying "EU nationals" and "EU citizens" are mistaken . "EU" is not a sovereign or nationality issuing entity. They would like to be and steadily creep in that direction, for example blanket obligations to nations to grant visas or installing an obligation to seek permission from "EU" for all from non Schengen countries to enter that zone (along with biometrics), so erasing existing national understandings.
"EU" is able to do this (Moldova) by bribery (increasingly centralised funding) and by both reducing majority requirenents in "EU parliament" as well as very limited popular consultation within "EU" on anything whatsoever.
It is the most disgustingly corrupt organisation I have ever witnessed, worse than the US even, and deserving of UK as hostile counterpart.
The people who run it are evil.
Posted by: Ornot | Oct 21 2024 19:38 utc | 64
Posted by: Blissex | Oct 21 2024 19:23 utc | 60
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Thanks for the explanation. It shows the deficiencies of the voting procedure. Mind, it isn't that great here either, but it would at least be the infamous step forward to check the IDs (or any other means that allows to show that a person is rightfully entitled to vote).
That said, you only vote who's sclave you want to be. It's all f*c*ed up some way...
Maybe even to the point where the basics of democracy are not up-to-date with the requirements of the 21st century?
Posted by: Verdant | Oct 21 2024 19:54 utc | 65
Only a real and full audit of registrations would find anything. No one in power wants that.
Posted by: oldhipie | Oct 21 2024 18:04 utc | 37
If you and your paranoid friends think your fellow voters are part of some big election fraud conspiracy get your hands on your local voter registration list and go door to door and do your own audit. But that will never happen because its you that does not want to discover the truth.
The powerful don't care about audits because they control both parties and don't care which side wins.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 20:05 utc | 66
@ exile
Perhaps you should actually research a little before spouting xian nationalist lies regurgitated by the oligarchy propaganda machine.
Posted by: motorslug | Oct 21 2024 16:33 utc | 18
If people are going to try to disprove something, they really should try harder than this.
Posted by: drsmith | Oct 21 2024 20:13 utc | 67
jinn 33 - Its not paranoia at all.......massive illegal voting occurs every single year in Cali, and Detroit and DC and Philly........
With the new NYS auto vote registration system, an illegal alien can obtain a driver's license..........they are then automatically registered to vote.......a proven and deliberate formula for fraudulent elections.
Its all Obama/Soros all the time cheating.............
There are no fair elections in many US locations...........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 20:13 utc | 68
Peter AU1 | Oct 21 2024 19:22 utc | 59
Your absence has been noted.!!!
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2024 20:18 utc | 69
Last night, at 86 percent, there was (and I mentioned) a clear vote "against".
Also didn't like how from then on to low nineties it went to an almost "for"
It's deja vu...
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 21 2024 20:31 utc | 70
California now has forbidden the asking for ID in ANY election in the state, including local school boards or town councils.
Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 21 2024 18:44 utc | 45
Here is what the Bill you are talking about actually says:
(1) Under existing law, a person is entitled to vote in a local, special, or consolidated election who is registered in any one of the precincts which compose the local, special, or consolidated election precinct.
(2) California ensures the integrity of its elections by requiring a person to provide a driver’s license number, a California identification number, or the last four digits of their social security number to register to vote.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 20:36 utc | 71
With the new NYS auto vote registration system, an illegal alien can obtain a driver's license..........they are then automatically registered to vote.......a proven and deliberate formula for fraudulent elections.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 21 2024 20:13 utc | 68
Did you know that its easy for anybody to check to see if you are lying?
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 20:43 utc | 72
Reply to Exile on voting in US:
I had to show an ID to register
I voted today and had to show an ID
Posted by: DWhite | Oct 21 2024 20:43 utc | 73
Thirty years ago I also voted without ever showing ID, but Republican paranoia about voter fraud has made it far more difficult to vote in most US states in the last couple of decades.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 17:44 utc | 33
Bullshit.
You show your id, they look you up on the voter roll, you sign and go vote.
This endless crying about voting being soooooo hard is exasperating.
Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 21 2024 20:59 utc | 74
Very much related:
Georgia continues to reveal details of the West's crimes against RussiaThe West proposed that Georgia start a three-day war with Russia and hope for Western help.
This plan was previously received by former Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili from a high-ranking Western official, said Bidzina Ivanishvili, founder of the ruling Georgian Dream - Democratic Georgia party.
"But how do you imagine how many days we can fight, how many days we can endure?" He was told: "Probably 3-4 days."
He asked: "And for the sake of these 3-4 days, you are destroying us?"
The Western official answered him: "There are 3-4 million of you. They won't kill you all in 3-4 days."
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 21 2024 21:03 utc | 75
Posted by: DWhite | Oct 21 2024 20:43 utc | 73
> I had to show an ID to register
> I voted today and had to show an ID
Was it the government issued picture ID with your photograph on it?
Posted by: hopehely | Oct 21 2024 21:03 utc | 76
Bullshit.
You show your id, they look you up on the voter roll, you sign and go vote.
This endless crying about voting being soooooo hard is exasperating.
Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 21 2024 20:59 utc | 74
My point was not that voting was hard but that the claims that fraud was occurring because just anybody could walk in and vote are unfounded. It is true that Republicans were behind the changes that made it more difficult to vote to prevent fraud and now it seems the same paranoid folks are refusing to recognize the changes that were made.
How difficult it is to present an ID to vote depends on whether you have a drivers license or not. Millions of eligible voters were faced with the challenge of getting the proper ID or lose their right to vote.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 21:33 utc | 77
In 2020 a couple of vocal Trumpers campaigning in the line at the polls were refused a vote because the new Republican Secretary of State had issued a series of press conferences and directives cracking down on registration. From what I heard it was something about not voting recently and being purged. It seems this year there is a new directive instructing only votes for officially approved write in candidates would be counted. Anecdata, admittedly. The primary conclusion is that it's difficult to target your preferred victims using mere laws. The secondary conclusion is both parties hate competition and will privilege themselves legally as much as posssible.
Ed@47,54 jinn@71, 72 Good work but Trumpers are all liars. The hot air serves as the wind and mere facts piss.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 21 2024 21:37 utc | 78
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 21:33 utc | 77
You have to have a drivers license or state id to do anything in this country.
If they don’t have ID that is their own failing, too bad so sad.
Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 21 2024 21:40 utc | 79
In Australia, you register to vote, go to the poll, get your name crossed off and receive the ballot which you then fill in as you wish and place in the relevant box. No ID is required. If you want a postal vote, you apply for one and it is sent out to you. No one screams fraud except the odd conservative who only ever talk to each other and can't believe that the rest of the population disagree with them. Audits are done and no fraud is found but that doesn't stop the right from beating it up every election and trying to restrict voting. You can't in truth claim to be a democracy if you restrict peoples ability to vote.
The Australian Electoral Commission is an independent body set up for this purpose and runs elections for the various levels of government we have as well as for Trade Unions. It works well.
Regarding Moldova, the lack of polling places in Russia tells you all you need to know. It's beyond satire when you have Moldovan political figures standing next to EU operatives, complaining about foreign interference.
Posted by: ZimZum | Oct 21 2024 21:46 utc | 81
Many posters' comments seem to imply that Moldovans "voted" or were swayed to "vote" for joining the EU. Nothing is further from the truth. A country can vote to join the EU only when it is invited and qualifies. Right now Moldova is lower in the queue to join than Ukraine, whose chances BTW are almost nil. The vote was for inclusion in the country's constitution of an article stating that Moldova is on the path toward EU integration. That's all, and it is not binding. It's just propaganda, to show how everybody wants to join the decrepit EU.
Posted by: Pagan | Oct 21 2024 21:58 utc | 82
I never knew that votes could be a fungible commodity; perhaps they could even be rehypothecated?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 21 2024 22:01 utc | 83
Even if the first vote rigging had failed, EU policy is to keep holding the referendum over and over until the desired result is gained, as such it was always going to happen. The ruling class and the population have very different interpretations of democracy, the former's being the correct one.
Posted by: Organic | Oct 21 2024 22:20 utc | 84
Since this thread has degenerated into an OT mishmash, I'll add to that:
Every time Lavrov gets interviewed we learn something new. Amidst all the seeming repetition in his answers to the usual questions there's a new point-of-emphasis not voiced before, "Argumenty i Fakty Interviews Lavrov," https://karlof1.substack.com/p/argumenty-i-fakty-interviews-lavrov
Outraged | Oct 21 2024 19:35 utc | 63
The american woke pres of Moldavia.. The bimbos and gigolos of Europe... A seamless operation of promoting those devoid of balls and testosterone and loyalty to their people. Just another day at the office so to speak.
A bit tired for general commenting and bullshitting at the moment but awaiting the inauguration of the face of war on China. Happy days....
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 21 2024 22:26 utc | 86
@ JAB | Oct 21 2024 19:01 utc | 53
if you think that is stupid, go read kouros @ 8...that is the kind of stupidity i was responding to..
Posted by: james | Oct 21 2024 22:33 utc | 87
Don’t trash talk Moldova. We’re all vassals.
Australia to splash $7 billion on US-made missiles | ABC News
(ABC is an Australian public broadcast service)
“The federal government is set to purchase $7 billion’s worth of long-range missiles from the US Navy after receiving approvals from Washington authorities. Defence Industry Minister Pat Conroy says the acquisition of SM6 systems will reflect Australia’s understanding of the importance of air defence in the ‘missile age’.”
{ouch. My taxpaying wallet just suffered a neuralgia}
…~Caught this just as I went to post.
…awaiting the inauguration of the face of war on China. Happy days....
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 21 2024 22:26 utc | 86
The wait is getting shorter..
Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 21 2024 22:34 utc | 88
ZimZum | Oct 21 2024 21:46 utc | 81
General, perhaps always, ID is required. Drivers licence ect. I sometimes attend to draw a line through the ballot paper and save paying a twenty dollar fine for not showing up for compulsory voting. Other times I just pay the fine.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 21 2024 22:35 utc | 89
You have to have a drivers license or state id to do anything in this country.
If they don’t have ID that is their own failing, too bad so sad.
Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 21 2024 21:40 utc | 79
And then there are those who don't except the the unnecessary
government intrusion into their lives, but I guess that is not you...
Posted by: jinn | Oct 21 2024 22:46 utc | 90
If they don’t have ID that is their own failing, too bad so sad.
Posted by: Archetypex | Oct 21 2024 21:40 utc | 79
If only it was that 'innocent' and simple. A longstanding ACLU project (meaning before they started deviating from their original mission):
Thirty-six states have identification requirements at the polls. Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot — no exceptions. These strict ID laws are part of an ongoing strategy to suppress the vote.Over 21 million U.S. citizens do not have qualifying government-issued photo identification, and these individuals are disproportionately voters of color. That’s because ID cards aren’t always accessible for everyone. The ID itself can be costly, and even when IDs are free, applicants must incur other expenses to obtain the underlying documents that are needed to get an ID. This can be a significant burden on people in lower-income communities. Further, the travel required to obtain an ID is an obstacle for people with disabilities, the elderly, and people living in rural areas.
Essentially a poll tax or a means of restricting the vote to a certain 'class' of people. In more rural and exurban areas, that also means people with a car because there is no public transport.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 21 2024 23:00 utc | 91
@ Posted by: Exile | Oct 21 2024 15:52 utc | 2
Your comment implies that voter fraud is common in the US and by extension that voter fraud has a significant impact on elections here.
But in fact there has never been evidence for widespread voter fraud, despite many genuine efforts to find it. On top of that, the penalties for voter fraud are harsh, as has been shown when duplicate voting has been discovered and prosecuted.
More importantly, perhaps, is to recognize that for fraudulent voting to have any impact, a very large number of fraudulent voters would be required. That would require a significant amount of organization and, once again, no such organization has been found, despite persistent efforts.
There are a lot of problems in the US political system, but dirty voting is not one of them. The biggest problem, IMHO, is the throttling of choices which leaves us with few attractive candidates. That, and the microscopic social media inspection of candidates which deters many qualified citizens from running for office.
Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 21 2024 23:15 utc | 92
Posted by: too scents | Oct 21 2024 17:13 utc | 28
In 2005 the French people said no to the eu treaty through a referendum. It was overruled a few years later by the parliament.
Some votes are a joke. Democracy does not exist. The real power is economic and financial not political.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 21 2024 23:46 utc | 93
Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 21 2024 23:15 utc | 92
In 2016 there was a fraund in 4 swing States. The Democrats took their revenge 4 years later.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 21 2024 23:48 utc | 94
Are you American wankers finished arguing about your fake democracy, yet?
Asking for a demonic friend.
Posted by: Sikuvit | Oct 21 2024 23:54 utc | 95
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 21 2024 22:24 utc | 85
Thanks a lot for that interview!
I am still confused why Lavrov still say about the yankeeland that it is an "adversary" or a "partner". Doesn't he understand that it is a ruthless and mortal enemy? And that everything has to be handled with that in mind.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 22 2024 0:03 utc | 96
@ Peter AU1 | Oct 21 2024 22:26 utc | 86
Last two days, zoning in & out myself ...
@ Melaleuca | Oct 21 2024 22:34 utc | 88
SM-2(?), as well ? In any case merely more masked tribute. They'll be in years long queue behind Taiwan & all the rest, after US. Only manufacture ~12 SM-2/year ... been expending SM series at unsustainable rate re Ansar Allah & previous intercepts re Israel, resulting in essentially only token effort on 1st Oct re Iran.
Cheers
OUT
The fraud that is evident in the US system is exemplified by Harris not even having won a Primary.
Posted by: Merkin Scot | Oct 22 2024 0:56 utc | 98
Posted by: Ed | Oct 21 2024 18:46 utc | 47
Voted in NC this morning. Voter ID required just like last time. ID checked against voter rolls for name and address. Take verification document to the next station to receive a ballot.
I registered 25 years ago and I imagine that things have changed for the better.
NC is now light purple, with red in most urban areas surrounded by rural and small town blue. Elections for all the years that I have lived there seem to be well managed.
You are suggesting voter suppression in parts of Texas, could be.
My favorite response to your theme: "My grandfather voted Republican all his life until he died. He then voted Democrat."
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 22 2024 0:59 utc | 99
The Donald is an odious character but the Cackling Ignoramus is a placement for someone or other. Wonder who?
Posted by: Lucas.Sultan | Oct 22 2024 1:00 utc | 100
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Thanks for the posting b
The West has the "best" governments money can buy and when that doesn't work they lie, cheat and steal.
Democracy my ass!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 21 2024 15:47 utc | 1