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October 25, 2024
BRICS Sensation No. 1 – India’s Turn From U.S. To China

Some commentators wrote that this blog, and others, have neglected the current BRICS summit. They are right to a point.

BRICS is a long term project. It is the development of an economic and political conglomerate of supernational organizations designed to be an alternative to the ones created by the 'West' after the second word war.

There are several misunderstandings and a lot of wishful thinking about BRICS in alternative media.

BRICS will not replace the U.S. dollar. Any short term plan to replace of the currently most important global medium of financial transactions (not of real stuff trade) is unrealistic. Yves at Naked Capitalism has written several pieces to lay that out.

BRICS is not a military alliance. Iran joining BRICS does not mean that Russia or China or anyone else will come to its defense should the U.S./Israel attack the country. While they would probably provide some help in the background both will likely avoid any direct involvement.

Building BRICS will take several decades. Ad hoc reporting of and commentating one of its summits is not of much value without detailing the larger contexts. It will do that whenever the subject deserves it.

During the current BRICS session the most sensational issue with long term consequences actually happened shortly before the summit.

India has dropped the U.S. friendly anti-China policies it had implemented during the first two terms of the Modi government. It is (again) making nice with China and Russia while shunning U.S. attempts to make it a sidekick for U.S. policies in Asia.

This piece in Asia Times provides the background:

India and China have recently agreed to disengage from their prolonged border standoff in the western sector of the India-China Himalayan border on the sidelines of 16th BRICS summit. Tensions have simmered since June 15, 2020, after 20 Indian and an unknown number of Chinese soldiers were killed in a high-mountain clash.

On the geopolitical front, meanwhile, India lost significantly. It once viewed South Asia and the Indian Ocean as its traditional sphere of influence, but after becoming a US ally, none of its neighboring countries remain within its sphere. Instead, India has arguably become more of a subordinate ally to the US.

This was evident when the US conducted a Freedom of Navigation Operation (FONOPS) in the Indian Ocean on April 7, 2021, which sparked a strong backlash in Indian media and academia, despite India being a US partner. Additionally, the US has been accused of fueling anti-India sentiment in neighboring countries and covertly helping to oust pro-Indian governments in Sri Lanka, Nepal, and the Maldives. [The author leaves out the recent U.S. coup in Bangladesh – b]

This made India realize that the US expects it to relinquish its “strategic autonomy” and that India’s claims to a regional sphere of influence in South Asia are unacceptable to Washington.

Ultimately, after four years of experimenting with foreign policy, the Modi government came to understand that China’s cooperation is essential for India’s economic development. The prime minister’s economic adviser argued that China would likely refrain from interfering in India’s border issues due to its dependence on India, coupled with the prospect of increased Chinese investment.

The first and second terms of Modi’s government have marked one of the worst decades in India’s history in regard to international relations. During this period, India has incurred unprecedented opportunity costs while experimenting with international and geopolitical strategies. In his third term, Modi is looking to reverse the course by shifting from the US to China.

The piece argues correctly that it was U.S. arrogance towards India which has caused this change.

India's making nice with China, and its shunning of the U.S., is an immense geopolitical shift. The two biggest countries of this planet by populations plus Russia, the biggest country by landmass, are again friendly to each other. They will coordinate their moves wherever it is in their tri-lateral interest.

This shift in relations will have similar huge consequences as the recent reestablishment of relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

This is a disaster for the U.S. 'pivot to Asia'.

But U.S. and other 'western' media, have barely reported on it.

Comments

@NorwegianPawn | Oct 25 2024 18:33 utc
discussion context, from NP’s post above:

A Company in Uganda wants to purchase 500 Mahindra tractors and pays for them in Ugandan shillings. The money enters the bank and is transacted to an Indian bank; which pays Mahindra in rupees at the exchange rate. Different tiers of payments may be done. For example, a certain percentage in National currency and the remaining in a commodity or (eventually) a gold-backed BRICS currency. The bank keeps the stillings and can later on swap them to other banks in the network, even other nations.

Great questions NP. I also have a limited understanding of how a transaction like this would work. Here’s a few more considerations for us to mull over:
a. Banks don’t like to take currency risk. If they have significant amounts of foreign currency on the books, they try to get rid of it, or buy some currency insurance (there are markets where this can be obtained, cost fluctuates with “market’s” perception of risk. So asking the bank to be currency-intermediary in your example above might not be what the bank wants….
b. Unless the bank is invested with the tools to immediately address the risk. This is what I was getting at in my post above re: Does BRICS really need a common currency? Banks don’t generally do this (handle large amounts of foreign currency) now, but …
c. Central banks do. Central banks are good at, have all the tools necessary, to handle large amounts of currency risk (holdings). They have agreements in place with other central banks to shuffle the risk and title to large bundles of (electronic) currency around. If this function was performed at a perfunctory price, and somehow didn’t involve currency futures markets (speculator’s playground … good point you made in your post) then the currency risk specter can be minimized, and
d. If it is minimized,then one of the big reasons to have a common currency … goes away. And per my post above, I say “good riddance”.
e. So, if the BRICS central banks can be persuaded to provide real-time currency-exchange to their member-banks (e.g. the “local” banks in the BRICS realm), then your transaction as you described it above would work. In fact, BRICS Pay could do all this transparently, in real time, and tell you immediately what your currency conversion cost would be _before_ you execute the transaction (things like currency conversion really should charge some type of premium, because there are skilled people behind the scenes doing the work.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 25 2024 22:50 utc | 101

I get what your saying b, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. In August 1941 FDR and Churchill laid foundations for cooperation and the post-war future in the Atlantic Charter. August—that is, well before the USA was an official belligerent. It was a joint strategic statement. This summit at Kazan resembles it for a few reasons. First, it delineates clearly against whom and what BRICS is being organised. Second, it defines a bilateral basis for alliance and therefore lays out what ‘membership’ of BRICS can and will mean: a network of support and mutual repsect. Third, its aspirations are not pie in the sky: dollar dominance is failing and something will need to rush in to fill the void. Fourth, the first Western/EU aligned economy to join will be a game changer from which moment history will move very rapidly. Fifth, it represents an alternative platform to the UN, and a real effort at a non-aligned council for communication and dispute resolution. Sixth, it is serious about opposing imperialism and colonization, and therefore is perhaps the most serious gesture toward a future aimed at human flourishing I have seen in a very longs time. Finally, it has captured the very energy of multilateralism that the post-war order attempted to install, and which was utterly abandoned after 1989, only this time, for the first time, with a genuinely ecumenical spirit. BRICS looks like what the UN might have been had the West not tried to hobble its capacity.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 25 2024 23:14 utc | 102

@Johan Kaspar | Oct 25 2024 13:18 utc | 38
These 5 centuries of Western hegemony have been very good for the world as a whole.
Not for the peoples of the Western Hemisphere.

Posted by: Samu | Oct 25 2024 23:21 utc | 103

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 25 2024 23:14 utc | 102
Further to the post, compare the spirit of the clauses of the Atlantic Charter to those of BRICS, and compare the context. Bear in mind: the USA was not at war with Germany but was nevertheless planning a post-German defeat world order. BRICS is doing the same: not at war with the West, but mapping out what a post-Western hegemony might look like:
There were eight principal clauses of the charter:
1 No territorial gains were to be sought by the United States or the United Kingdom.
2 Territorial adjustments must be in accord with the wishes of the peoples concerned.
3 All people had a right to self-determination.
4 Trade barriers were to be lowered.
5 There was to be global economic co-operation and advancement of social welfare.
6 The participants would work for a world free of want and fear.
7 The participants would work for freedom of the seas.
8 There was to be disarmament of aggressor nations and a common disarmament after the war.
I hear the same aspirations in Kazan.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 25 2024 23:33 utc | 104

So the kokaine kid has “punished” the General Secretary of the UN by denying him an excursion to the delights and fleshpots of keeeeeve.
Kazan? No kyeeve for you!
Wonder how soon, and how many, will seek the same “punishment”, rather than the delights of 5? 7? hour each way train trip to Downtown corruption central? Anticipating, on arrival, the irritating, guttural voice of zliehnsky vacillating between begging and berating?
Btw haven’t noted a “high” profile A list celeb in Kiev in? A year? 18 months?
They only like to be papped beside winners. They share a reptilian instinct for the “current thing”, who is “In” and who’s a “liability/ loser”.
Smelly keive/khak tees are so 2022, dahling

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 25 2024 23:59 utc | 105

This bar should be forbidden for IQ below 100. And I am generous.
22+1+18+7+1+19=68…
Will he understand?

Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2024 1:22 utc | 106

It must be very frustrating for “someone” when Putin does not listen to the advice of that nobody.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2024 1:28 utc | 107

This kind of erroneous assessment illustrates perfectly the wealth divide between the astute and ignorant.
Why is it so difficult for some to understand the basics of hybrid war? Media control accompanied by narrative dominance is just as important as actual kinetic military conflict and weaponized economic and financial policies (sanctions).
Western news reporting isn’t as tangible as a rifle you can physically hold in your hand, or a bank notice of a transaction cancellation, but it’s very very real and a critical part of the western triad.
A lot of alt.media fills space by rebuttal or refutation; even that level of effort is somewhat redundant. I would suggest monitoring the MSM for what they’re really saying (or not saying) and act (bet/invest) accordingly.
Posted by: Markw | Oct 25 2024 11:50 utc | 16
Excellent post, thanks.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 26 2024 2:06 utc | 108

vargas, once again wins the ‘Most Retarded Post I Have Read Today’:
“I just looked at the headline.
The headline should be the essence of the story.
Otherwise it is a puzzle.”
Posted by: vargas | Oct 25 2024 22:39 utc | 100

Posted by: canuck | Oct 26 2024 2:09 utc | 109

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 25 2024 23:33 utc | 104
102 and 104 were very well done, thanks.
Yet ‘aspirational rhetoric’ and its projected ‘reality’ never seem to consummate; one hopes the BRICS evolution will be an exception to the rule.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 26 2024 2:23 utc | 110

Didn’t get to the Comments above in depth, but maybe someone covered this already: BRICS+ – great optics, but the single most important step imo were/are the grain and the precious metals exchanges. These are templates for the reversal of financialization of the economy in the casino (‘markets’). Regulated and rational trade values (no speculation profits) will accomplish that when generalized – meantime, starting with basic foods can eliminate food insecurity in all participating countries.

Posted by: Paul Spencer | Oct 26 2024 4:30 utc | 111

Justpassinby @ 96, Canuck @ 110:
No wonder Vargas is the current village idiot here, this person believes you can get all the news from the headlines. All the small print beneath is beyond that person’s ken.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 26 2024 4:45 utc | 112

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 25 2024 20:45 utc | 89
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No.
Do better next time.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2024 4:46 utc | 113

I hope that BRICS re-organizes IP law
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 25 2024 20:29 utc | 86

Excellent points about the sham that is IP law. IP law is a huge artificial externalized cost and drag on society.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 26 2024 4:47 utc | 114

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 25 2024 20:50 utc | 90

NATO on your borders is NATO on your borders.

A flashing faggot approaching a hungry bear is a flashing faggot approaching a hungry bear.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 8:37 utc | 115

I just looked at the headline.
The headline should be the essence of the story.
Otherwise it is a puzzle.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 25 2024 22:39 utc | 100

How naive!
The extreme can be found in US media.
A juicy statement in the headline pretending to state fact
AND
nary a word further down in the text to provide explanation or prove.
psychology:
the statement sticks because the following text does not trigger
any reflection about the statement.

Posted by: MAKK | Oct 26 2024 8:58 utc | 116

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 25 2024 13:38 utc | 43

@Johan Kaspar | Oct 25 2024 13:18 utc | 38
These 5 centuries of Western hegemony have been very good for the world as a whole.

I don’t think the world as a whole would agree with that, especially not the millions who were killed in the process.

There have been a few similar counterpoints to my comment.
Yes, Western hegemony in the past 5 centuries has been enforced brutally leading to the deaths of millions. It has been a colonizing enterprise to capture resources and markets. Granted.
YET the same enterprise brought medicine, technology, institutions of law, capital formation, schools and universities, and some degree of redistribution of income to very backward, brutal, tyrannical and superstitious societies in America, Africa and Asia.
The West did not invent all those things, but the West expanded them to the whole world, along with the brutal aspects of colonialism.
And I include Russia in the West, btw, so yeah, I count Mendeleev’s periodic table among those good things that the West have given to the world.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 9:01 utc | 117

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 26 2024 4:45 utc | 113
No real person can write something that stupid.
All you guys are replying to a bot.
Sometimes a real person intervenes and post under the same moniker to dispel doubts.
But most of the times is just the bot that you are replying to.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 9:06 utc | 118

Not sure I’d take this as a world-historic turning. India is merely hedging its bets imho, it can see the rise of the Far East and would like a foot in both camps. Pretty sensible.
Modi is rapidly catching up with Erdogan, the undisputed master, in the balancing act competition. Erdogan has free access to the EU market for Turkish industry, he’s a NATO member – and at the same time Russia is building his nuclear plants, and he attends BRICS gatherings.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 26 2024 9:14 utc | 119

Good morning- busy busy so passing through and parsing through too!
Great observations by some – same old narrative management by others as usual which actually allows for correctives. So thanks to all.
1. India – is a Humpty Dumpty. It is playing footsy with the giants but is a whore Empire.
It was built as such. There was NO ‘India’ until it was constructed from various body parts at Independence by the Empire ; the viceroy was THE top imperialist scum at the time, his wife was a whore to Babylon. Nehru and Jinna were the imperialist lackey ‘coconuts’ – it went from that starting dysfunction that caused millions of dead in the Partition , the blood sacrifice , the great scar.
That persists to this day. It was set up with that ‘independence’ as a means for the continuation of the Great Game. Because the proxy Nazis failed.
In short there was No India. There was a ‘Raj’ constructed by collecting a whole set of Nations with seperate Peoples, Languages and cultures in the Subacontinent.
Using by natives to build armies and navy – which were controlled from the top and in reality that connection has been maintained ever since. They still operate under the same military and naval families and the same top level coordination with their Anglo masters.
Against Russia and China. The CIA flew the U2’s out of Pakistan! The Indian Navy is still linked with the British Royal Navy.
The on purpose breaking into Pakistan/India (both made up names ) was the ziofascist banker imperialists action in response to their failure in ww2.
India vetoed Pakistan entry to BRICS+.
2. The same goes for that oldest slave built colony of Brazil in the South Americas – it is still run on the same lines and by the same dynastic conquistadors – believe it or not the ziofascists! They insist on keeping what they conquered , by mass murder of natives. For them if they have destroyed the populations and brought their slaves then it is theirs forever ! They know they can’t keep it by force because the revolutionaries have access to equal weapons in recent decades!
Brazil vetoed Venezuela.
They can’t overwhelm them with guns against bow and arrows anymore – so they built Words – Contracts and Lawyers and Courts to enforce these contracts – all owned and run by the same ancient powers.
They twist the courts and judges and laws according to their rules and only allow equal justice between themselves – the masses are not allowed that.
The ultimate con was the League of Nations – a joke at the end of WW1 when they though they had finally got their hands on EurAsia with their ‘Men’ installed – in both Russia and China – and they would rule with the white ziosupremacy all the collected imperial colonies that had been ‘won’ by every iteration of AngloEuropean nations imperial tasked to build the conquest of the whole world.
When that juicy prize turned to ashes on their tongues a mere few years later (Lenin dead , Stalin purging the neo-colonialists in his midst) they had to go again!
When that spectacularly failed the United Nations was made as their new clothes to hide behind.
That UN attempted con has been pretty useless. A plaything and a honeypot in NewYork to entrap the world’s representatives- with money and blackmail ever since. The Veto being the only thing that kept it functioning in any way.
So Brazil is the pivot to the south Atlantic as their supposed easy win!
Fortunately Venezuela endures, Nicaragua does too and several ancient surviving native peoples are restored and ready to throw the conquistadors back into the Seas they came sailing across from Europe. The Multipolar is ready to help them if asked. And they have all the modern weapons as the Empire does.
My desired outcome is to see both India and Brazil fall into the natural balkanisation that the Empire attempts to do to EurAsia.
And then there is South Africa … and Turkey!
Jury is forming on them.
The SCO is not BRICS.
It is not BRICS against the Empire (Natzios).
It is the equally armed and the ancients SCO against the Pirate global robber bastards.
Ps @Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 9:01 utc | 118 who just posted to say that he includes Russia as Western European !
Get a grip John ‘Europe’ does not.
It sees the illegal apartheid entity more European then the RF or even the nearer Turkey which it won’t ever let join.
Because ? Supremacist Racism.
Of which the tropes of Western Civilisation/ Garden – Jungle, all good things – ignorant savages , one God – heathens , etc etc comes from.
You are therefore enforcing these tropes unwittingly or on purpose – which is it John?
Without the Silk Road ‘Europeans’ wouldn’t have ever discovered cotton or silk or printing or astronomy …

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 26 2024 9:53 utc | 120

yves smith often downplayed the brics and she made a lot of wrong analysis and predictions, cause her bias toward european left parties (like greens) that she used as her main source of information. that’s why she write that the euro is working and it’s the aim of the brics. but it’s a wrong premise: the euro ruined european continent, and a single currency to replace the dollar it’s just not necessary, but it’s also a burden. probably also bernard downplayed brics cause he was too reliant on yves smith. i remember also her wrong predictions about isreal, when she used as reliable sources fellas like korbyko and helmer. i stopped reading her blog few weeks after october 2023

Posted by: Giandavide | Oct 26 2024 9:55 utc | 121

Posted by: Giandavide | Oct 26 2024 9:55 utc | 122
Exactly right. Like I said, Ives is not clear-headed in matters of geopolitics, should not be trusted as rational and objective, b should not let her American left-ish blog influence him.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 10:23 utc | 122

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 26 2024 9:53 utc | 121
Actually most Europeans consider Russians as Europeans. They look like us, they have had a typical European empire and aristocracy for many centuries, they have contributed a sizable share to science and technology, they are Christians and White (with a little bit of Asian for good measure), they have large and typically European cities, they have expelled Muslims from Eurasia, et cetera. Russians are Europeans, period.
So when I speack of the West’s positive contributions to the world, which so far are much larger than the contribution of all other regions combined, I certainly include the Russians amongst us, as I should.
There is too much fanatic hatred for all things Western in this blog. Not complaining. Just pointing out the fanaticism. Not good to be a fanatic. Better to be a rational person than can handle nuances and details and remains realistic and cool-headed.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 10:35 utc | 123

I just looked at the headline.
The headline should be the essence of the story.
Otherwise it is a puzzle.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 25 2024 22:39 utc | 100
How naive!
Maybe I am naive.
I was always thinking that the title of an article is the shortened main message of the text. When I write I do so.

Posted by: vargas | Oct 26 2024 10:48 utc | 124

Jeff Bezos, purported owner of WaPo, has set an editorial policy of not endorsing a candidate.
Some employees, who think their opinion is important, are revolting (😁).
One has gone so far as to resign.
Who?
Op-Ed contributor, Robert Kagan.
Yes. *that* Kagan.
Probably he no longer needs the job, … because the Ukraine Project is bust; so, best to abandon ship before the retribution and retaliation begins?
Without him in a gatekeeper role at WaPo, will the ISW narrative see some waning and challenge across the mediascape.
Just another sign and portent that U$ is pivoting away from Ukraine.
Highly likely a declaration of victory, accompanying an ignominious departure is approaching

Posted by: Melaleuca | Oct 26 2024 11:12 utc | 125

The headline should be the essence of the story.
Posted by: vargas | Oct 26 2024 10:48 utc | 125

https://www.google.com/search?q=buried+lede
Misdirection is a common technique in the media.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 26 2024 11:14 utc | 126

Rag Picking Through the Kazan Declaration
https://johnhelmer.net/rag-picking-through-the-kazan-declaration-what-president-putin-gained-what-he-lost-from-brics-24/
“What President Putin gained – what he lost from BRICS 24…”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 26 2024 12:31 utc | 127

e. So, if the BRICS central banks can be persuaded to provide real-time currency-exchange to their member-banks (e.g. the “local” banks in the BRICS realm), then your transaction as you described it above would work. In fact, BRICS Pay could do all this transparently, in real time, and tell you immediately what your currency conversion cost would be _before_ you execute the transaction (things like currency conversion really should charge some type of premium, because there are skilled people behind the scenes doing the work.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 25 2024 22:50 utc | 101
A job opportunity for those programmers fired from work on the Linux kernel: A limited AI that focused on currency values. By monitoring banking transactions in BRICS countries, and analyzing PPP in real time, an AI could calculate even more realistic exchange rates than currently available via LIBOR.
Programmers with their skill could probably create such an AI as quickly as Iran can (as claimed) produce a nuclear bomb. By hacking into NSA, they might be able to obtain all the necessary data to analyze. We can assume that NSA has been collecting and collating that info. It would be more honest to collect the data directly by agreement with each BRICS country, but quicker and more fun to take advantage of what the US has likely been doing for years.

Posted by: Samu | Oct 26 2024 12:51 utc | 128

By monitoring banking transactions in BRICS countries, and analyzing PPP in real time, an AI could calculate even more realistic exchange rates than currently available via LIBOR.
Posted by: Samu | Oct 26 2024 12:51 utc | 128

Matching Engines are more clever. They match bids against asks of actual market participants.
Matching engines have been in use for three+ decades. Today, in 2024, any major market where trades aren’t adjudicated by a matching engine is a clear sign of manipulation.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 26 2024 13:06 utc | 129

@ Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 10:35 utc | 124
“Actually most Europeans consider Russians as Europeans. They look like us, ”
That settles it. Xenophobic comment. Eejit.
190 ethnicities.
Educate yourself and stop making moronic comments.
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ethnic_groups_in_Russia

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 26 2024 13:59 utc | 130

This is not an attack on any particular individual. If you take it as such, that’s on you.
The West may have been the worst thing to happen to humanity.
2 world wars, use of nukes on civilians, multiple genocides throughout the Americas.
I think humanity could have flourished in its absence.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2024 14:24 utc | 131

MOSCOW, Oct 23 (Reuters)
JIm Oneill..[Mr BRICS]

– The idea of the BRICS group ever challenging the U.S. dollar is for the fairies as long as China and India remain so divided and refuse to cooperate on trade,

The idea of the BRICS group ever challenging the U.S. dollar is for the fairies as long as India remains the agent saboteur.
FIFY
pS
BR I CS
I = Infiltrator.

Posted by: denk | Oct 26 2024 15:05 utc | 132

Way to go arch. You wrote this article and now Israel went ahead and pretended to bomb Iran after it. Now what are we going to do?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 26 2024 15:09 utc | 133

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2024 14:24 utc

The modern world was largely invented by White Christian men, you bitter, hate-filled mulatto weirdo. The West has certainly made more positive contributions to the betterment of humanity than the medieval, inbred pedophile cult you’re so proud of being a part of, you repulsive hypocrite.

Posted by: It’s all so Tiresome | Oct 26 2024 17:17 utc | 134

Regarding India and BRICS:
The border disengagement with China appears mutually genuine. This must be seen as a first step for relations to deepen within BRICS. It is clear that India is vetoing Pakistan from entering the association; while both China and Russia are very supportive of this country from eventually joining. And yet, there is no sign of frustration expressed from the sides of Kremlin and Beijing. They realize this will require more work.
However, a future betterment of IndoPak relations, bolstered by some genuine recognitions within the BRICS spirit makes it now appear more of a possibility.
This especially as the US-Pakistani relation has really soured.
Modi has surprised quite a few people and with his excellent foreign minister and a genuine desire from India to continue growth and development, I think more things will happen over the next year. Pakistan (and eventually Bangladesh) as future BRICS members will put India right in the center of the association and promises Apple opportunities for sustained growth.
There should be enough motivation both for India and Pakistan to realize that one of the strongest desires of USA is for the bitter enmity between these large nations to last.

Posted by: NorwegianPawn | Oct 26 2024 18:11 utc | 135

Posted by: It’s all so Tiresome | Oct 26 2024 17:17 utc | 135
############
How can one be an inbred mulato?
Imagine being proud of the “modern (Western) world”. LOL
Sounds like another Yankee who has never been out of the country except to kill and subjugate brown people.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2024 18:39 utc | 136

I’m actually of Coptic background, so I’m very familiar with the corrosive cultural effects of your Arab colonizer, pedo cult. 50% of the world wide population of your fellow cultists are the offspring of first cousin marriages, that’s what my reference to inbreeding referred to, in case your reading comprehension is that poor. If you hate the West so much, you should stop making use of its culture and inventions (computers, cell phones, the Internet etc), but I know you’re an hypocrisy won’t allow you. Why don’t you follow the advice of the hadith and go have a warm drink of camel piss for your health, cheers.

Posted by: It’s all so Tiresome | Oct 26 2024 19:00 utc | 137

Posted by: It’s all so Tiresome | Oct 26 2024 19:00 utc | 138
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Why would a Copt be taking up for “white Christian men”? LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2024 19:04 utc | 138

Because I live and work in the West and having experienced what a retrograde medieval cult can do to a society makes me appreciate the unique freedoms and achievements that the founders of this society built, for all its many imperfections and historical flaws. Do you even live in a Muslim majority country or are you squatting in the West like the hypocrite you are?

Posted by: It’s all so Tiresome | Oct 26 2024 19:32 utc | 139

One reason for India’s abrupt ‘rationality’ on border issues stems from its urgent need to lure back Chinese investments, after shooting itself in the foot with four years of CEA.
They all do, coming back to China after a failed BDS campaign.
Just ask the Aussies. !
Another reason is ….Big bro seem to be fed up with Delhi’s fence sitting, its now weaponising the Sikh issues to force MOdi’s hand.

Deliver Xi’s head, or else……

The last time Trudeau accused India of state terrorism against a ‘Canadian citizen’, the five liars went into three monkies mode.
India being a valued member of the teflon club,,..Licensed to kill, gringo included
This time around, Washington chimed in and up the ante, accusing Delhi of murdering American citizens as well …

US charges Indian agent in Sikh separatist murder plot

BBC
https://www.bbc.com › news › articles
18 Oct 2024 — The FBI has accused Indian agents of involvement in an assassination attempt on Pannun, a dual US-Canadian citizen, saying Pannun was targeted …

For the past seven decades, India was the vital cog in the anti China · ‎Cordon sanitaire
A too big to fail useful asset.
Now for the first time, the gringo seem to be playing hard ball with their Indians soul mates.
This prolly goaded Modi to soften its position on the border, defuse tension with China…at least for the time being, hoping that BRICS would shield it from the wrath of gringo long arm jurisdiction
https://tinyurl.com/msyun77z
thats all folks

Posted by: denk | Oct 26 2024 19:43 utc | 140

I was unaware that Maduro was Jewish:
“Maduro was raised as a Roman Catholic. In 2012, it was reported by the New York Times that he was a follower of Indian Hindu guru Sathya Sai Baba and previously visited the guru in India in 2005.[41] He stated in a 2013 interview that “my grandparents were Jewish, from a Sephardic Moorish background, and converted to Catholicism in Venezuela”.[42]”
I was prompted to dig further when I saw the red bracelet around his wrist.
He claims he was a follower of Satya Sai Baba (an alternative explanation for the red bracelet), but that’s just too convenient.
How many of these BRICS leaders are crypto Jews, I wonder?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2024 20:29 utc | 141

Do you even live in a Muslim majority country or are you squatting in the West like the hypocrite you are?
Posted by: It’s all so Tiresome | Oct 26 2024 19:32 utc | 140
I have and loved every minute of it.
Been trying to get back there out of the current Westernised shithole I’m stuck in for years now.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2024 20:32 utc | 142

Way to go arch. You wrote this article and now Israel went ahead and pretended to bomb Iran after it. Now what are we going to do?
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 26 2024 15:09 utc | 134
We’re going to write another article and see if we can get Israel to do more stupid things.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2024 20:34 utc | 143

BRICS is not a military alliance. Iran joining BRICS does not mean that Russia or China or anyone else will come to its defense should the U.S./Israel attack the country. While they would probably provide some help in the background both will likely avoid any direct involvement.
Building BRICS will take several decades.
I feel I need to comment on these two premises. I believe that indeed direct Rissian and Chinese involvement in setting up Iran’s air defences greatly influenced Israel’s decision to greatly scale back its planned attacks on Iran.
On the second premise I think things will happen much much sooner than many predict. Look at the price of gold for instance. It tells us that nobody wants US treasuries anymore. Even the staunchest supporters like Bank of England and Bank of Japan are in big doubt whether to continue buying US treasuries. Without the full loop of treasuries coming back to the US, dollar will continue to be under pressure and true inflation will continue to rise in the US. Price of gold will continue to rapidly climb. All BRICS plus central banks will be forced to speed up adaptation of alternative monetary channels that Russia and China are building.

Posted by: Milos | Oct 26 2024 20:40 utc | 144

Posted by: It’s all so Tiresome | Oct 26 2024 19:32 utc | 140
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Isn’t it ironic that the “retrograde cult” is ownzoning your “modern world”?
If you don’t like people immigrating, you shouldn’t have colonized them. Every action leads to a reaction.
You colonize, and then 100 years later, they colonize you.
If only you “white Christian men” had not tried to enslave and rob others. If you could keep your hands to yourselves and not bomb people or starve them to death. Then, I’ve said many times, that Zionism is a uniquely Western idea. It didn’t originate in West Asia. It originated in the salons of the Western intelligentsia.
A romantic mythology to justify stealing land and oil from people who have been there since the dawn of time.
I reckon reverse colonization is a fair turnabout. Your anger and racist stuttering validate my perspective. 🙂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2024 21:15 utc | 145

Along the lines of Maduro’s speech at BRICS, here is Burkinabe hero Thomas Sankara (who was assassinated by his closest friends on behalf of “white Christian men”.

You cannot carry out fundamental change without a certain amount of madness.
In this case, it comes from nonconformity, the courage to turn your back on the old formulas, the courage to invent the future.
It took the madmen of yesterday for us to be able to act with extreme clarity today.
I want to be one of those madmen. We must dare to invent the future.

The courage he is speaking about is “moral courage”. Something that is in short supply in the world today.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2024 21:20 utc | 146

So when I speack of the West’s positive contributions to the world, which so far are much larger than the contribution of all other regions combined, I certainly include the Russians amongst us, as I should.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 26 2024 10:35 utc | 124
This is not even factually correct, never mind in principle.
I’ll make this short, because it can stretch to volumes and I’ve had this argument on moa before:
1. The entire foundation of Western mathematical science rests upon the linear algebras, scientific method, mechanical methods and geometries, translations of Greek philosophy bequeathed to the Europeans from shortly before the Renaissance during the era of the Islamic golden age.
Without the Islamic golden age none of the European scholars would have had the opportunity to learn their foundational technologies from scholars like Avveroes and Aveccina.
Not to mention the entire number system that came from the East via the Islamic civilizations.
Those foundational scientific principles and tools lay the groundwork for everything from calculus to modern quantum theory.
Without this foundation, Western science would never have happened as we know it. It may even have been totally absent if not much reduced in scope.
2. Following the collapse of the Islamic Golden age (the fault of Muslim zealots), science degraded in the non western countries. Concurrent with this period followed hundreds of years of White colonial occupation and exploitation.
Now this is important:
Participation of colonised non whites in science was suppressed by violence for those centuries of colonial occupation.
Moreover, the freedom to participate in scientific endeavour was suppressed by removal of resources which were carted off to the West from the various colonies. Not to mention the destruction of native lives who might otherwise have participated in scientific innovation.
One wonders how many thousands of Newtons and Eulers would have been born but instead died broken in the white man’s slave colonies.
So while you can brag all you want about white contributions to science you have to ask yourself at some point if the deliberate suppression of science in the colonies had anything to do with that.
Bear in mind that up to the early 1970s the teaching of mathematics to non whites was being suppressed in black South African schools.
In any case:
3. Around the early 20th century, with the decline of slavery and the decline of state-legalised white racism which prohibited participation in “the white man’s science”, the resurgence of non Westerners in scientific innovation began in earnest.
For example the discovery of brilliant minds like Ramanujan around 1915.
The contributions of Chinese and Indian scientists to the Western space and nuclear programme around the 1950s and 60s.
Since then we’ve seen an exponential explosion in foundational scientific contributions by non Westerners to what is now no longer Western science but a collective scientific culture.
The claim that the total western contributions to science are much larger than all others combined doesn’t make sense when:
a) those very contributions required and were founded on a mass of critical science provided by West and East Asian civilizations.
b) Those contributions are increasingly being dwarfed every day by the volume of fundamental scientific research and discovery being published by Asian institutions (many acting on behalf of Western institutions).
In fact, most scientific papers and experiments today are being written and conducted by non Westerners from Asia, with a rising volume from Africa and Latin America.
Within a few decades the contributions of the West to the collective human scientific story would have simply been a passing phase bookended between the Islamic Golden Age and the New Rise of Asia.
Except that from here on out the white man won’t be able to beat down any non-white attempts to participate in science like he did for the past few hundred years – we have nukes now.
Footnote:
“Chien-Shiung Wu (1912-1997) was a Chinese American physicist. During the Manhattan Project, she worked at Columbia University, helping develop the process for separating uranium metal into U-235 and U-238 isotopes by gaseous diffusion.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2024 21:51 utc | 147

@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2024 21:51 utc | 148
Thanks for expanding on my earlier response to the self exposed xenophobe and sock puppets that try to retain the ‘gammon’ not ‘white’ Christian great man bullshit – Tarzan being the King of the jungle! Bullshit – that most of our European adventure novels of the 18th to early 20th centuries to engender the imperialist spirit amongst the youth so they would go forth and die in foreign lands for their banker masters being slavers and sugar plantation managers. Fuck that horrid history.
Also You must not forget the human ‘Computers’ who did the calculations for the Apollo missions ! A bunch of Afroamerican LADIES! they were still treated badly compared to their ‘white’ mathematicians.
Most importantly don’t ignore the fact that Africa will be the most populus continent in a hundred years and it’s many resourceful ancient peoples WILL be as good and more prolific then even the Asians who rule the roost now in EVERY country including the eejits supposed ‘white’ west.
Because statistically there will be more Africans than any other continentals that ever lived and hence they will have the most geniuses. Over the ensuing centuries.
Human survival in the long term depends on them.
The future is assured because it’s Black (of all variations) and Beautiful!
I don’t have a problem with that as I don’t with the fact that has been long agreed that humans came out of Africa in the first place as most genetic traces prove.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 26 2024 22:50 utc | 148

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 26 2024 22:50 utc | 149
Madame Fate is a wicked old crone
One day you’re the master race
The next you’re just a slave drone …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 27 2024 1:58 utc | 149

While India learned the hard way and realise it gotta pivot back to China, Germany bets on,,..India !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47H-yxTP5Q&t=214s

Posted by: denk | Oct 27 2024 5:37 utc | 150

A Chinese stooge like you should not spread anti-Indian propaganda like this quoting article written by some Maoist idiot from Nepal of all places, Nepal is obviously renowned for producing great thinkers.
Keep on like this and you will get more anal abscesses leading to fistulas and surgery after surgery leading into a world of hurt. Curses places in Sanskrit are particularly effective.

Posted by: Surya Mitra | Oct 27 2024 19:01 utc | 151

Keep on like this and you will get more anal abscesses leading to fistulas and surgery after surgery leading into a world of hurt. Curses places in Sanskrit are particularly effective.
Posted by: Surya Mitra | Oct 27 2024 19:01 utc | 151
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I wasn’t looking for an argument demonstrating the superiority of the Chinese mentality, but you provided one.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 27 2024 20:06 utc | 152

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 27 2024 20:06 utc | 152
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2020
Due to Modi’s curb of Chinese personnel, several TBM purchased from China were left idling cuz Indian engineers couldnt assembled the machines, resulting in huge delay of major tunneling works.
A major embarrassment for Modi’s Made IN Indian campaign .
Tried to find the news again without success.

Posted by: denk | Oct 28 2024 12:05 utc | 153

Posted by: Surya Mitra | Oct 27 2024 19:01 utc | 151
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Indian electronics manufacturers have suffered $15 billion in production losses and 100,000 job cuts due to escalating tensions with China. Visa delays for Chinese executives are hindering the industry’s expansion plans, leading to a $10 billion export opportunity loss and $2 billion in value addition loss.15 Jun 2024
https://tinyurl.com/2s43rskv
India looks to free up visas for Chinese technicians, …
CNA
https://www.channelnewsasia.com › asia › india-chinese…
17 Jul 2024 — Faster business visas will be issued for technicians needed to run Chinese-made machines installed in Indian factories in 14 sectors covered by
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India to fast track China visas after businesses hit by delays
The Business Times
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg › international › indi…
17 Jul 2024 — India’s government is finalising rules to cut down visa delays for Chinese technicians, responding to complaints from businesses.
PS
Im just stating facts.
YOur curse is totally uncalled for
A violation of the bar’s ethics.

Posted by: denk | Oct 28 2024 12:08 utc | 154

Quote: “this shift in relations will have similar huge consequences as the recent reestablishment of relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran”
Don’t bet too much on changing relations between Saudi and Iran.
Saud is a family, Saudi is a big chunk of Arabian Peninsula over which the Brits installed this family as caretaker. Family control of land, wealth and people is contingent on propping up by the West.
Quoting: Retired Gen Frank McKenzie
https://indi.ca/how-the-middle-east-is-divided-and-conquered/
As you can see, Saudi, Jordan, and the Gulf States are all occupied territory, and they pay to occupy themselves.
All of these military upgrades, however, are just hanging some bells on some eunuchs. These Arab states cannot fight anything except their own people.
Iran is the only fully free and functional state in the region, and can take all of the collaborators.

Posted by: Fadi | Oct 29 2024 5:21 utc | 155