Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 10, 2024
Biden’s Intent Is To Sow Chaos – Netanyahoo And Zelensky Are Working For Him

There is a great believe peddled by main stream media that the Biden administration is trying to hold the Zionists   back from their devastating action in Gaza, Lebanon and beyond, but unfortunately fails to do so. Some commentators argue that this is the case because the Israel lobby has a very strong position in U.S. policies and can direct the U.S. government into any direction of its liking.

My hunch is that this is putting the cart before the horse.

It is in fact the Biden administration which is using the Israeli (and Ukrainian) government to serve its foreign policy purposes. As I remarked:

This has been the general theme of a media campaign for a while. "Natanyahoo is steamrolling Biden and the poor guy can do nothing about it."

I do not buy it. One phone call from the White House to the Pentagon would hold resupply flights from the U.S. to Israel. Without constant supply renewal the Israeli Air Force would have to stop its bombing campaigns in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen within days if not within hours.

But instead of calling the Pentagon, the whole Middle East team around Biden, Antony Blinken, Brett McGurk and IDF soldier Amos Hochstein, has been urging Israel to extend its campaign.

They are hoping, like the neoconservatives in 2006 during the Bush administration, for the 'birth pangs of a new Middle East', which will forever change the strategic situation on the ground.

The conclusion from this is that Netanyahoo is largely doing exactly what the Biden administration wants him to do.

Gilbert Doctorow, the well known historian and journalist, is of similar opinion:

More on tails wagging dogs and vice versa


Some viewers/readers support my contention that the United States is using Israel as its proxy in the Middle East and is not just enabling but even directing Israel’s rampage in the region to ‘kick ass’ generally and to reinforce American dominance there in line with American global hegemony. Far from being outraged by the Israeli atrocities, the U.S. government is satisfied to see Israel take revenge for the many humiliations that the United States has suffered in the Middle East, most recently in the disorderly and disgraceful pull-out from Afghanistan but going back, say, 40 years to the hostage taking at the American embassy in Teheran by the new revolutionary Iranian leadership there that overthrew the American backed Shah.

Others in my audience have not hesitated to say that they think I am wrong, and that indeed Prime Minister Netanyahu is leading Joe Biden & Company around by the nose, which just happens to be the consensus view in mainstream media.

Most of this discussion is not visible to the broad public. However, the ‘Judging Freedom’ channel which has 450,000 subscribers and its host, Judge Andrew Napolitano put my proposition on the dog (USA) wagging the tail (Israel) to several of his best-known panelists in the 24 hours following my interview with him. To be sure, my idea seemed so ‘contrarian’ that it demanded a response from the mightiest minds in the alternative media camp. They obliged. With one exception, the mightiest minds were dismissive of my interpretation in more respectful, less respectful ways.

Professor John Mearsheimer and Larry Johnson are two of the guest on the Napolitano show who reject Doctorow's thesis.

However, Doctorow and I are not the only ones delving into this conundrum. Professor of history at Columbia University Adam Tooze, a rather famous commentator, joined us with his current Guardian comment:

Facing war in the Middle East and Ukraine, the US looks feeble. But is it just an act?

There is one school of thought that says the Biden administration is muddling through. It has no grand plan. It lacks the will or the means to discipline or direct either the Ukrainians or the Israelis. As a result, it is mainly focused on avoiding a third world war.

But what if that interpretation is too benign? What if it underestimates the intentionality on Washington’s part? What if key figures in the administration actually see this as a history-defining moment and an opportunity to reshape the balance of world power? What if what we are witnessing is the pivoting of the US to a deliberate and comprehensive revisionism by way of a strategy of tension?

Revisionist powers are those that want to overturn the existing state of things. In an extended sense, this can also mean a desire to alter the flow of events; for instance, to redirect or halt the process of globalisation. Revisionism is often associated with resentment or nostalgia for an earlier, better age.

Tooze digs down into the various action the Biden administration has taken against Russia, China and in the Middle East. He concludes:

In all three arenas – China, Ukraine and the Middle East – the US will say that it is responding to aggression. But rather than working consistently for a return to the status quo it is, in fact, raising the stakes. While insisting that it supports the rules-based order, what we are witnessing is something closer to a revival of the ruinous neoconservative ambition of the 1990s and 2000s.

[T]here is more going on here than simply muddling through. First the Trump and now the Biden presidencies are willing contributors to the controlled demolition of the 1990s post-cold war order.

People seem to have forgotten that Biden was never a liberal in the progressive sense. Since being a freshman in Congress Biden has always been on the conservative side of things:

Alliances With Segregationists

1975: Mr. Biden joined Senator Jesse Helms, a Republican segregationist from North Carolina, in supporting an anti-busing amendment to an education spending bill. When the amendment failed, Mr. Biden wrote a narrower measure that prevented schools from using federal dollars to assign teachers or students by race. It passed, 50-43.

In a television interview, Mr. Biden called busing an “asinine concept” and said he had “gotten to the point where I think our only recourse to eliminate busing may be a constitutional amendment.”

In 2002 Biden was joined at the hip with the neoconservatives when he, as the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, feverishly argued for launching the war on Iraq:

In a speech days before the 2002 [Iraq war] vote, Bush did say approving the resolution “does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable,” but he also laid out in detail why military action “may” be needed. And on the day the war broke out, Biden acknowledged, “We voted to give him the authority to wage that war. We should step back and be supportive.”

When the Biden administration is sowing global chaos the way it currently does, it is acting along a path which Biden has long favored and with the intent to sow chaos, not because this or that outside power is pressing him to do so.

Comments

The US regime is using Nazi-proxies in Ukraine and Zionist-proxies in Palestine. No wonder it is difficult to understand the difference between the two.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 16:36 utc | 101

‘If you want to know who rules over you look whose speeches get the most standing ovations in Congress’ – Voltaire (allegedly)

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Oct 10 2024 16:38 utc | 102

b: If Judging Freedom had interviewed you, will they post your interview? I have not seen it yet. Or it was background interview.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Oct 10 2024 16:40 utc | 103

@Apollyon | Oct 10 2024 14:21 utc | 21

Biden must be a Zionist whether he wants to be a Zionist or not, otherwise he could never hold the political office he holds. Jeremy Corbyn can never become British PM because he is not a Zionist.

Well, he says he is a Zionist
Joe Biden: “I Am A Zionist. You Don’t Have To Be A Jew To Be A Zionist”

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 16:42 utc | 104

sorry mr Doktor. BUT is nt this pretty much a byzantine discussion, and an interminable one FTM?
Just think of Newton ‘s indisputed law of universal gravity.
or gravitation, I dont know. He did not say flatly that the bodies ATTRACT themselves in this or that way. No. He said the in the Universe the observed “phenomena play out AS IF bodies attract themselves in the direct ratios of their masses and inverse one of their… etc”.
So mr Doctorow I intend now, no less than ending up this byzantine row, with the flwg once and for all scientific statement – in quotes: …..””In the Middle East the social/political/military phenomena play out exactly AS IF the zionist beastaniahoo cabal in the direct RATIO of AIPAC and the American Adm policy and in the Inverse Ratio of the MSM media assessments”.
Are both litigating sides satisfied?

Posted by: augusto | Oct 10 2024 16:43 utc | 105

@ S Brennan | Oct 10 2024 15:25 utc | 52
FFS. It’s CPC. Signature ‘tell’.
@ laguerre | Oct 10 2024 15:35 utc | 60
Well stated, though ‘troubled’ with final sentence.
@ james | Oct 10 2024 15:38 utc | 63
Agreed, indeed we do need to do so. Pat Lang ? Formally Retired, yet never ceased to ‘Serve’.
@ Ythisah | Oct 10 2024 15:41 utc | 66
Too true. Much of great import goes on quietly behind the pantomimes & flash, booms & whirl of the mighty Wurlitzer. Too many are easily distracted by it all … forest for the trees. Ooh, wait, look! A squirrel! (… Karl Rove)
Cheers
@ Jane | Oct 10 2024 15:49 utc | 73
The Great Game, & the Greater Game indeed never ended, continues evermore after a hostile takeover and redistribution of controlling shares, during WWII & without question post ’56. Cheers
@ Exile | Oct 10 2024 15:55 utc | 77
Whooah! I’ll drink to that.
@ karlof1 | Oct 10 2024 16:00 utc | 80
As always, Bravo Sir, Bravo. Prost!
@ Pearce Tournier | Oct 10 2024 16:02 utc | 84
Biden was always a ruthless inhuman bustard minion. Since Biden’s brain matter turned to mush years ago, not that it matters, no-one is home. See: Weekend at Bernies
Peace

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 10 2024 16:45 utc | 106

in fact I did a mix up of that statement. So sorry, folks. It should be : ” in the direct ratio of Aipac’s dreams as put by the MSM Media and in THE inverse one of the DC policy as put by the MSM media and pundits.

Posted by: augusto | Oct 10 2024 16:48 utc | 107

” My question is:
Why is there never any real damage or deaths in Israel?
You have 6 armed to the teeth “resistance” military groups plus Iran firing on Israel… and zip damage all the time.
No infrastructure, up and running military, air fields flying without a hitch, spy & surveillance drones & equipment hit, only to be replaced the next day.
It’s getting beyond “the high road” mantra to pretty much collaborative conspiratorial aims at the destruction of Gaza & So Lebanon.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2024 16:24 utc | 98 ”
This question has been addressed many times already. You probably dont understand because this is very high level 5D, quantum chess. Basically, Iran, Russia, China, Hamas, Hezbollah are too moral and ethical to respond and, by not responding, they are actually responding. They are all utilizing a famous military rule, first postulated by Sun Tzu, which states the ” only path to victory is through defeat. ”

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 10 2024 16:49 utc | 108

In light of 100 years of Zionist ethnic cleansing and ultra-violence, the undeniable effort by Zionists to exterminate Palestinian Arabs in Gaza, Zionist occupation and murder in the West Bank across decades, genocidal Zionist rhetoric, Joe Biden’s inability to form coherent thoughts, the open capture of Congress by AIPAC, the infiltration of the highest levels of the US Executive by Zionists, many of them dual citizens, the suppression of campus protests by Zionist billionaires, the Zionist puppet MSM, etc., it is ludicrous even to suggest that Israel is a shill of the US, and it is a blatant lie that shelters Zionists from bearing responsibility for their sick crimes against humanity.

Posted by: myguitar**fascists | Oct 10 2024 16:54 utc | 109

As anticipated, Israel has now shelled the UNIFIL outpost with the Irish soldiers.
From previous thread:
“the UN and international community have a legal and moral obligation to put an end to the horrific crime of genocide being committed by the Israeli occupation”
This is objectively true, but requires the means to compel the criminal state to cease its operations. This will be much discussed in the aftermath – should there be an aftermath – but presently international intervention is subject to a veto in the UNSC. Short of mobilizing against Israel, USA, and their Euro/Anglo lackeys, which would be in effect WW3, and not therefore viable, there is a chance that growing pressures fracture the Israeli state. The cabinet member flashing a pistol in the street points to such pressure. Basically there is no exit door to the accumulating serious problems this mayhem has magnified for Israel. In the aftermath, depending on how that turns out, there may be arrests and trials of select political and military leadership of the criminal nation, and maybe even some Americans as well. Perhaps ultimately this disaster, along with Ukraine, will so discredit and diminish the West that others can push a better more equitable world without harmful interference.
The China operation has inexorably moved forward during this US administration. Military partnerships with Australia, Japan, Philippines, etc have accelerated, tripwire provocations involving Taiwan have increased, and offensive missile installations are being placed across the “island chain”. It is very similar to the steady NATO build-up in Ukraine 2016-2021.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 10 2024 16:56 utc | 110

Nope, the Billionaires that run the MIC , Wall Street, and other big boy corporations and banks are influencing the wars. The W H , Pentagon and others get so much money from these fat cats , that it makes their government paychecks look like minimum wage. These mouthpieces on TV and in the Biden Cabinet are errand boys. The big money Think Tanks are brainstorming the Mid East and Eastern Europe – their public articles are just a front. my 2 rubles.

Posted by: GMC | Oct 10 2024 16:58 utc | 111

I find it useful to think in terms of a parasite and hosts. Israel / Zionist Jews / global shadow group, depending on your preference are the parasite. We can identify them as the parasite as when there are conflicts of interest, (Israel-US, Elite-masses, etc), the parasite usually wins. And resources flow towards them.
It is in the interest of the parasite to gain control over key aspects of the host. It is important that the host be unaware that the parasite is a parasite, so Israel has the holocaust, indivisible aircraft carrier, etc to make the host believe that the parasite is good for them. The parasite would also want the host to be dominant among others, so interests are aligned there. A good parasite would want to infect and control multiple hosts – Pegasus software sold to many countries, etc.
Like any metaphor, it is not perfect, but I think it’s more useful than a dog and tail.

Posted by: Rahul | Oct 10 2024 16:59 utc | 112

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 10 2024 16:40 utc | 104
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I suggest you go back and read my comment in its entirety.
Impeachment is not objective or legal, it is political.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2024 17:00 utc | 113

@EoinW | Oct 10 2024 14:45 utc | 39

The main question is: will the USA sacrifice Israel the way it’s destroyed Ukraine? This is the essence of the Doctorow argument. It is an interesting point as we are witnessing Israel self destruct. Plus an major direct attack on Iran is about as self defeating as the Israeli ground invasion into Lebanon.

The US is behaving irrationally, using everyone else as a tool of escalation, even if it leads to self-destruction. As b said

the U.S. government is satisfied to see Israel take revenge for the many humiliations that the United States has suffered in the Middle East, most recently in the disorderly and disgraceful pull-out from Afghanistan

The disorderly and disgraceful pull-out from Afghanistan 2021 was done in a hurry in order to enable attacking Russia via Ukraine (before Russia could become prepared) and empty it for the Zionist proxies to return to their origins, since their position in Palestine had become complicated. But project Ukraine is now failing spectacularly, so the Zionists proxies “had to” go for plan B, genocide of Palestinians. But that is now also failing even more spectacularly and even faster.
The tail and dog discussion is not really that interesting. The tail moves when the dog moves and vice versa.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 17:03 utc | 114

Dear Moon,
I’m sure that you will be relieved to know that I agree with you too. The zionist antisemites are the creatures of American Caesar in Palestine and his Brownshirt thugs at home in the US.

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 10 2024 17:06 utc | 115

“Trump was impeached because they wanted to impeach him.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2024 14:04 utc | 18
This has no explanatory power whatsoever. WHY did ‘they’ want to impeach him?
Posted by: Honzo | Oct 10 2024 16:40 utc | 104”
for the exact same reason Clinton was impeached. Not a question of what they did, but who they crossed.
The Bush crime familia gets little play these days. They do like the shadows. Things might get confusing for the simple when they might think there is daylight between the Bush operators and Biden. Trump’s only true sin was giving right wing voters an option that didn’t end in Bush.
I believe the intelligence scumbags were scrambling as quickly as they could to load the slates with their own chosen people.
Meanwhile, let em eat lies and swallow their misbegotten beliefs.
None of this merits discussion, even here.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Oct 10 2024 17:11 utc | 116

@ myguitar**fascists | Oct 10 2024 16:54 utc | 112
Honor, appreciate & share your apparent passion & outrage, yet …’tain’t so trivially, superficially, so.
What you read in the bible, is open to libel, it ain’t necessarily so …
Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong (Youtube 6m34s):

It aint necessarily so
The things that you’re liable
To read in the Bible
Little David was small but oh, my
Little David was small but oh, my
He fought the Goliath who lay down and dieth
Little David was small but oh, my
Yes, Jonah he lived in the whale
Oh, Jonah he lived in the whale
But he made his home in that fish’s abdomen
Ooh, Jonah he lived in the whale
Little Moses was found in the stream
Little Moses was found in the stream
He floated on water till old Pharoah’s daughter
She fished him she says from that stream
They tell all the children
The devil’s a villian
But it ain’t necessarily so
To get into heaven don’t snap for a seven
Live clean, don’t have no fault
Oh, I’d take that gospel whenever it’s possible
But with a grain of salt
Don’t live nine hundred years
Don’t live nine hundred years
But who calls that livin’ when no gal will give in
To no man, what’s nine hundred years?
Now I’m preachin’ this sermon
to It ain’t necessarily
ain’t necessarily
ain’t necessarily so

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 10 2024 17:14 utc | 117

Military partnerships with Australia, Japan, Philippines, etc have accelerated, tripwire provocations involving Taiwan have increased, and offensive missile installations are being placed across the “island chain”. It is very similar to the steady NATO build-up in Ukraine 2016-2021.
Posted by: jayc | Oct 10 2024 16:56 utc | 113
2016-2021 is 100% Russia’s problem, or stupidity if you want to call it that way. It was their option to watch like a movie and their option to start the smallest smo possible where they’ve spent more time running backwards than forwards. Even today they’re still hoping for a Minsk or Istanbul deal because on the military side they have no resources for anything more than the 5 soldiers and 3 missiles of the smo, which don’t even hit important targets because those belong to someone they can’t upset.
For China is much worse already. There were no permanent US bases in Ukr, there are in Taiwan. And US has never announced they will become directly involved in Ukr, but they did for Taiwan. US heavily depends on China and as long as Xi pays the protection racket nothing more will happen. he can’t be more pleased by the failed smo, he surely doesn’t it want to end soon now that he gets all the almost free energy EU used to get.

Posted by: rk | Oct 10 2024 17:14 utc | 118

Nothing significant will change if Trump gets back in, no matter what he says.

Posted by: D J G | Oct 10 2024 17:15 utc | 119

Posted by: S Brennan | Oct 10 2024 16:26 utc | 99
Lots of words—you should check yourself for depression. But you didn’t address the question: have you watched too much of the lying shitpile Alex Jones or the dancing jew at China Uncensored?

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 10 2024 17:16 utc | 120

The Western elites need a war, desperately; a big crash, bang, boom, shock and awe, blow up lots of stuff type of war. Trouble is neither Russia, China or now Iran will oblige.
But the basic dilemma is that the West could all too easily lose in such a conflagration; hence the flailing, disjointed and sometimes contradictory policy pronouncements and implementations.
I’ll leave it to others to work out why the Western elites need this war…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 10 2024 17:16 utc | 121

Israeli terrorists firing again on UN peacekeepers. Israel is a rogue terrorist state and the longer the whorish political class of Maerica covers for the IDF bedwetters the more crimes against humanity they will commit. America is ensuring that its name will be a byword for horror and monstrous evil.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 10 2024 17:17 utc | 122

An army that one of their main tasks is to snipe children in the head, cannot and will not win any war.
A country that protect, promote and is proud of the soldiers that routinely snipe children in the head has no right to exist.
The testimonies of more than 40 american doctors working in Gaza, some of them jews themselves, is devastating:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/children-of-gaza/
But USA and the rest of vassals of the Empire give a dam of the Palestinian children, for them are less that a cockroach or a rat.
Also the Arabs traitors, particularly the cowards and corrupt Sunni Arab armies, specially in Jordan, working 24/7 to protect the child-murderers from the drones and missiles from Iran and the Resistance, meanwhile allowing the child-murderers and their american puppets to attack the Axis of Resistance is vomit-inducing.
It is really sad to see the old yemeni houthi warriors, armed with old rifles, with tears in their eyes after seeing the suffering of other arabs children in Gaza during more than a year and shouting to those traitors:
“Give us a path, oh! you arab cowards!, Give us a path!, Oh you arab cowards!”
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1843939155489018110
You arab cowards!, the same fate is waiting for your children and from the same people in due time!

Posted by: Dave | Oct 10 2024 17:21 utc | 123

Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 10 2024 15:49 utc | 72
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Glad to see you are still around.
Several years ago you made a very insightful and succinct comment about how corporations have had technically astute people replaced by order-giving authoritarians to the detriment of the US. I thought I had saved this, but I can’t find it. If you recall this comment, I would appreciate a pointer to it or a copy of it.
Thanks for your contributions here.

Posted by: john_brewster | Oct 10 2024 17:22 utc | 124

@ dh-mtl | Oct 10 2024 15:49 utc | 72
i am going to repost your post, because i think it summarizes my own view really well… this is driven by money… as psychohistorian would say – we are still serving the god of mammon..
‘My hunch is that this is putting the cart before the horse. It is in fact the Biden administration which is using the Israeli (and Ukrainian) government to serve its foreign policy purposes.’
B., you are not far off, only a little. In fact it is the British Empire Elites (aka the ‘Globalists’) acting through their levers, MI6 & CIA, that control them all: Biden, Netenyahoo, Zelensky, Starmer, Macron, Schulz, Van de Leyen, Trudeau, Deep State, Western Media.
They all act under the general direction of the British Empire Elites. That is why their policies are all indistinguishable from one another. The only difference is the color of the lipstick they put on their policies to try to fool their individual populations.
The truth is that the British Empire Elites need their ‘Global Government’ to survive, and to get this ‘Global Government’ they need to suppress Russia, China and Iran. And they need to do this urgently as their western power base is collapsing almost in a free-fall. Urgently suppressing Russia, China and Iran are what these wars are all about.
Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 10 2024 15:49 utc | 72″
@ Outraged | Oct 10 2024 16:45 utc | 108
yes! pat lang was another cog in the empire and never figured out how to go beyond it.. well, he wanted the cia to be broken apart.. i will give him that and he was a part of the cia, so he was smart enough to see that..

Posted by: james | Oct 10 2024 17:24 utc | 125

I agree that the faction currently managing and controlling the US war machine is absolutely pushing every one of these conflicts forward full speed. Is Brandon driving or along for the ride or did he enter the address himself and others are now taking us to the inevitable destination? Not sure that matters until Jan 2025. The fact is that there is zero momentum in Washington to rein anything in. Who’s complaining outside public view is irrelevant. The people calling the shots rn want war on Russia, China, Iran, and any other country in the ME opposed to Israel.
Israel and Ukraine are marching to oblivion and we’re both pushing and enabling them.

Posted by: BHA | Oct 10 2024 17:25 utc | 126

Moonie: “They are all utilizing a famous military rule, first postulated by Sun Tzu, which states the ” only path to victory is through defeat.”
This might require further elaboration. Actually it seems to play with the original poster’s own suspicions. “Hamas is both exceedingly astute but also incomparably more moral than the Israeli regime. For example they would never commit genocide against Israelis, but know that the Zionist entity would facilely fall into the trap of doing do against untold numbers of Palestinians. This is the trap they have set for Israel: they have done precisely what Israel expected them to do, knowing full well that Israel knew this and that it would likely lead to a hecatomb in Gaza, and yet they remain far more moral because if they cannot (and would not) perpetrate genocide against Israelis they would knowingly be the catalyst for genocide against Palestinians. Why? Because the two enemies are at an ethno-existential impasse, with rumours of genocide constantly floating in the air against both sides. The impasse can only be broken by Hamas not by genociding Israel (in any case they are too moral for that), but by having Israel genocide the Palestinians.
Thereby the impasse is broken, and history in the Maoist or Stalinist sense is finally made, things can never go back to how they were. In this sense, the triumvirate of Israel, Hamas, and the United States become agents of the sort of history all too often seen during WWII, the kind of history that establishes new paradigms for decades, if not centuries to come. Some call this strategy Trotskyist (i.e.permanent revolution overfilled by all manner of conspiracy, including frequently collaborating with one’s so-called ultimate enemy, to the point that the two become indistinguishable—see Orwell’s critiques*).
**“Spilling the Spanish Beans” (July 1937), published while Orwell was writing Homage to Catalonia, contained his first discussion of Trotsky. This essay informed the British about the political conflict that was fatally weakening the Spanish Left and helping the Fascists win the war. Orwell states, “In Spain, everyone whose opinions are to the Left of those of the Communist Party is sooner or later discovered to be a Trotskyist, or at least, a traitor.” He then gives four increasingly hostile definitions of POUM. At the beginning of the war it “was an accepted party and supplied a minister to the Catalan Government; later it was expelled from the Government; then it was denounced as Trotskyist; then it was suppressed, every member that the police could lay their hands on being flung into jail.” Finally, parodying the Marxist question-and-answer rhetoric, Orwell defines the fatal epithet that was used to condemn Stalin’s enemies: “What is a Trotskyist? . . . The word ‘Trotskyist’ is generally used to mean a disguised Fascist who poses as an ultra-revolutionary in order to split the Left-wing forces.”

Posted by: Ludovic | Oct 10 2024 17:25 utc | 127

Zionists = NeoCons = Dog = Tail = Hidden People Pulling the Strings = Latest Revision of “We’re Entitled to Rule The World”.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Oct 10 2024 16:27 utc | 100
It is all one Empire. The Anglo-Zionist Empire.
As the Eastern Roman Empire and the Western Roman Empire were one, until the division became real:


395 CE
In 286 CE, Emperor Diocletian decided to divide Rome into two sections to try and stabilize the empire. For a hundred years Rome experienced even more divisions until the empire was finally divided in 395 CE and became the Western Empire and the Eastern Empire. This division changed Roman life and government forever.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2024 17:26 utc | 128

Posted by: Jane | Oct 10 2024 15:49 utc | 73
Has Zionism ultimately (for the West) always been about Russia?
And the Palestinians are in the way and are slated for elimination because they won’t play the Game?
Zionism is an ideology, it began with the creation of stock companies in Europe and spread to London, the bankers were financing the trips to colonize the places in the world where goodies existed but were in need of the means to exploit what they found.. Like many British, Spanish type colonies on the American continent, slaves were brought in to do the farming or to provide the cheap labor needed to produce the crops or products that would be sold (traded in Europe and the Orient)<= because of the profit from trade, London eventually owned the largest fleet in the world.. moving slaves West and moving slave produced goods East. The West and East Indies companies come to mind. About the time the London Zionist killed President Lincoln (1865) after the Civil War in America (which war by the war was about Global; but traders had to have the economic strength of America to keep killing people and stealing their goods in or from foreign lands and to keep transporting slaves to produce the goods in foreign lands) it became obvious to these colonial bandits (Empire-Zionism (EZ)) that their profits from Whaling (whale oil) were disappearing (not enough whales to supply the demand for oil and gas).. Oil was discovered after the civil war in many places mostly Pennsylvania and the Civil war ended slavery not only in the USA but in many Zionism-Empire owned colonies.. So what were the greedy to do, but to find out where most of the oil and gas in the world was, and to set sail to get it.. (1880 to WWI 1913)) They discovered that most of the reachable oil and gas was located beneath the surface of what was then known as the Ottoman Empire. Problem was German industry was already drilling, pumping oil and gas from beneath the Ottoman Empire and shipping it to Germany and were building railroads throughout the Ottoman empire, so EZ discovered Germany industries were in competition for the oil and gas. No way was German competition acceptable to EZ. The EZ already had control over the political systems in most of the nations in Europe and by 1913 they had control over the USA, but the problem with a war against Germany and the Ottomans was the European nations did not have sufficient income or capital to fight WWI, so presto in 1913, back in America, the sixteenth amendment was introduced in 1909 to force Americans to fund the European war to be which EZ intended to arrange just as soon as the American taxpayers were on the hook to finance the war. The 16th amendment was ratified in 1913.. so I will list first Article I of the US constitution as it was before the 16th amendment and then I will list the 16th amendment ratified in 1913 (when did WWI start? ) Article I, Section 9, paragraph 4 says No capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken. 16th amendment says The Congress shall shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.. Shortly after this the first Income Tax on American incomes became constitutional the Revenue Act of 1913 (Underwood-Simmons Act) became law.. Before the year was out the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was passed.. and presto EZ was ready to put the world at war. The goal to take possession and control of the oil beneath the Ottoman Empire and to block German access to the Oil and gas beneath the Ottoman Empire ( a lot like Nord Stream II disappearing). The answer to your question has Russia always been about Russia is NO.. is my answer.. Russian oil and gas takes more technology to produce than existed at the time and but Russia had helped the deep south during the civil war, little was known about how much oil and gas Russia had at the time. During WWI the Russian subsurface oil and gas wealth became apparent. So next in line was Russia.. but Germany rebounded from WWI and so Russia had to wait until the pesky German industrial complex could be destroyed. The above is Snake's version of the history EZ through WWII. Posted by: Moonie | Oct 10 2024 16:11 utc | 86 Russian National Guard signs landmark deal with Jewish leaders - https://www.rt.com/russia/605502-russian-national-guard-jewish-community-accord/
Empire Zionism at work.. its everywhere its highly infectious. pervasive and efficient..

Posted by: snake | Oct 10 2024 17:28 utc | 129

Thanks for the discussion b.
b, your position presupposes that there are people in key position in the empire that can say no to the entity. Where are they?
In effect you are saying that killing your way to “victory” is the empire’s go-to now? Yes, professors G. Doctorow, M. Hudson, and R. Wolff agree with you, but doesn’t mean it is a correct position. I don’t buy it.
You have to explain, how does the empire’s interests align with that of the entity.
You have to explain how a war with Iran is that of the empire’s interest.
You have to explain, how is it that equivalent of two nuclear bombs worth of munition dropped on Gaza could not defeat Khhhhamas.
You have to explain, if the empire could not beat the cave-dueling-goat-herding-bare-foot-towel-heads in Afghanistan – trying for 20 years – and sandal-wearing-towel-heads-with-curved-knives in Yemen, how could the empire beat Iran and its advanced society. [my apologies to Afghans and Yemenis for the terms – those are that of the empire’s, not mine]
Everybody talks about Straits of Hormuz, but that discounts the fact that a war with Iran is a war from the Caucuses to the horn of Africa, and from Hindu kush to the Mediterranean, not just Iran proper. All Iran’s turf, not the supply-chain 10,000K away.
Here is my challenge: produce a list of key position personnel, or entities, in the empire, that could say NO to the entity. Remember E. Macron recently? Didn’t last 24 hours.
Every day that passes, we get closer and closer to the end of the empire, and its bastard child, the entity, if we live long enough, not having to “duck and cover.”

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 10 2024 17:29 utc | 130

Why is there never any real damage or deaths in Israel?
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2024 16:24 utc | 98
Simple:
a) The Military Censor.
b) The Resistance is firing at military targets.
You will hear nothing about the military casualties in Israel. It is suicide to inform the resistance that their coordinate strikes were accurate.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2024 17:29 utc | 131

Some commentators argue that this is the case because the Israel lobby has a very strong position in U.S. policies and can direct the U.S. government into any direction of its liking.
My hunch is that this is putting the cart before the horse.
It is in fact the Biden administration which is using the Israeli (and Ukrainian) government to serve its foreign policy purposes.

A good hypothesis makes good predictions.
So, if it is the USA the one using Israel as proxy in the ME then will Israel retaliate in force against Iran for the Iranian successful attack on Israeli air bases and other military targets?
Your hypothesis says YES because it is Israel the country that will be destroyed, not the USA, so essentially the USA will consume some of Israel to take down Iran.
On the other hand if it is Israel the one in control of the USA then Israel will not retaliate with force against Iran because Israel will not take the option of being destroyed as the Ukraines are being destroyed. Instead Israel will find some sneaky trick to make the USA attack Iran (USS-Liberty-esque trick)

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 10 2024 17:29 utc | 132

Arch Bungle @10: “What we have here is a self-wagging dog tail.”
Precisely, and the metaphor works on multiple levels too.
I think perhaps people are ascribing too much agency to both the zio-psychos and the neo-lib-cons. Rather than masterfully manipulating the course of history as they see fit, they are deep into crisis management mode, trying to hold their train together in the midst of an ongoing wreck; chasing after wheels that have come off (we’re talking about dogs here, after all) even as the whole train leaves the tracks and smashes into scrap.
Of course, the train wreck is in slow motion. Some imagine these historical events happen all at once, but this wreck will be going on for years to come.
The point here is that neither Biden nor that nutcase zionist monster yahoo are in control of events. The big businessmen/oligarchs behind them are not in control either. Rather, they are being controlled by events; reacting to them. Obviously, they are trying to get ahead of the historical processes and grab history’s steering wheel again, but… well, they are already holding that steering wheel, but it is no longer connected to anything anymore. The whole “liberal order” that it is supposed to control is falling to pieces.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 10 2024 17:30 utc | 133

Biden isn’t and hasn’t been calling the shots.
And the Israeli/Jewish hold on American media and on Congress means America, printing tens of billions as it sinks into debt and crime and fake asylum seekers is serving Israeli interests not American ones.
B’s theory is worth considering precisely in order to reject it. Jewish-Zionist and Evangelical Christian useful idiots, keep the tail wagging and will until this Republic finally falls.

Posted by: Jim C. | Oct 10 2024 17:35 utc | 134

Balderdashbuster | Oct 10 2024 15:30 utc | 57
I started to read this “analysis” but as soon as I got to the point where he talks about “the Jews” spending $7 billion” I realised that this was just some anti-semitic dross and not really an intellectual argument against b’s hypothesis. Balderdash by name and content.

Posted by: Vragtes | Oct 10 2024 17:35 utc | 135

@Ludovic | Oct 10 2024 15:54 utc | 76

The question remains, what power is the undisputed father of Oct 7 itself?

The same group that wanted a “new Pearl Harbor” in September 2000
REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES – Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century
“Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor”

This group is fascinated by “catastrophic and catalyzing events” and October 7 is just one in a long row of such events the last 25 years. These events are increasingly blowing up in their faces though.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 17:35 utc | 136

The worst among the Israeli leadership and the worst among the US leadership are in full agreement, encouraging each other to ever greater extremes of murderous rampage, with the idea that it will all come right in a cataclysm producing a new order with the US on top of the world and Israel on top of the region acting for the US.
Who to blame? It takes both. They fully agree, and help each other in ways essential to continue what they do.
All must be prosecuted, as were the 1945 survivors of German leadership.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Oct 10 2024 17:36 utc | 137

I read this article’s headline as “Biden is the Intended Sau Chaos”. First impressions are often the correct ones.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 10 2024 17:45 utc | 138

I$raeli and Di$trict of Corruption entities possess a common bond. They are both under full operative control by the central bank$ters…all eight of them. Of those 8, seven, according to Deana Spingoli’s “The Ruling Elite”, are born and raised as Babylonian Talmudists…themselves getting their marching orders from the tally secretive Sanhedrin, the head of the snake.
The only American entity amongst the 8 is the Rottenfeller Crime Clan. Some claim that they, like the fortunately late mass-murderer, Lyndon Baines Johnson, are Cryptos. That supposition is yet to be proven.
“Rules Built Order” signifies that as per the Eye of Horus, hovering over the pyramidal control scheme on the ass-end of the U$$A $1 Fed-Note; there exist many layers to the onion…most probably with the Sanhedrin and the Rome-based Old Black Nobility at the Zugspitze.
The Collective Wa$te is under the thumb of the well-insulated highest level Barons of finance and by certain faux-religion factions. The Empire is THEIRS.

Posted by: aristodemos | Oct 10 2024 17:46 utc | 139

” You will hear nothing about the military casualties in Israel. It is suicide to inform the resistance that their coordinate strikes were accurate.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2024 17:29 utc | 135 ”
Thankfully, and to their credit, Russia, Iran, Syria, Iraq and others always report which sites were hit and how many people died. They do this as a service to the rest of the globe and to assuage any concerns the ZioWest might have about their targeting accuracy. The global South’s moral and ethical underpinnings compel them to.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 10 2024 17:47 utc | 140

@ GMC | Oct 10 2024 16:58 utc | 114
@ Rahul | Oct 10 2024 16:59 utc | 115
Great posts. Salut.
@ Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 17:03 utc | 117
Concur, yet:

The disorderly and disgraceful pull-out from Afghanistan 2021 was done in a hurry in order to enable

Respectfully disagree. False. It occurred as a panicked response due to unforeseen events on the ground, as they were actually occurring, in real-time.
Serial, endemic, ‘Head up Ass Syndrome’.
See: Korean War, Home by Christmas ? – PRC PVA forces cross the Yalu river – the Chosen frozen, the panicked retreat sth to a ‘Dunkirk’ departure – Seoul recaptured. Sth Vietnam, Tet Offensive – ’72 Offensive – ’75 offensive – panicked disorganized helicopter embassy liftoff to awaiting carrier decks. Collapse of the USSR – every Empire Intel service/Agency had their pants down around their ankles in shock & disbelief – utterly unforeseen …
Cheers
@ Dave | Oct 10 2024 17:21 utc | 127
Well said. Cheers

Posted by: Outraged | Oct 10 2024 17:47 utc | 141

Posted by: ChatET | Oct 10 2024 13:53 utc | 9 “Keep in mind, Trump was impeached holding up military aid to Ukraine.” This is yet more proof that short comments are not necessarily better. Trump was impeached for holding up military aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, namely, to force Zelensky to provide evidence against Biden.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 10 2024 14:42 utc | 38

Here’s what Trump said from the transcript:
“The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you could do with the Attorney General (Bill Barr of USA) would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it. It sounds horrible to me.”
I don’t see any attempt to “force him to provide evidence”. He is asking him to investigate.

Posted by: Benson | Oct 10 2024 17:48 utc | 142

@LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2024 16:22 utc | 96

Very few Americans can imagine what life is like in Lebanon, let alone Iran, and yet those same Americans are convinced that they reside at the center of the universe.

The shorter the radius of your universe, the closer to the center you are.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 17:48 utc | 143

I appreciate the attempt to make sense of US policy, but unfortunately there is no sense. Biden still lives in the 1970s and 1980s, and believes Israelis massacring Arabs and Russian soldiers dying in a place that the US ultimately doesn’t care about are the highest expressions of US power and authority. His advisors want very much to do their decades-long “pivot to China,” but that’s not going to happen. In the meantime, the US policy is utterly rudderless, and anyone who can put on a good show for Biden and make him feel like a Cold Warrior Extraordinaire has free rein.

Posted by: Bob | Oct 10 2024 17:49 utc | 144

I always read your articles, and I think you are one of the best commentators, but here, you are completely wrong. It is NOT in the US national interest to escalate the war in the Middle East. The reason why it is doing it is because of the powerful zionist ideological lobby affecting the highest echelons of US power.

Posted by: Ro | Oct 10 2024 17:53 utc | 145

and yet those same Americans are convinced that they reside at the center of the universe.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2024 16:22 utc | 96
It’s a hangover from the post WW2 hegemony. It will pass. Millions are sobered up every day now.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 10 2024 17:55 utc | 146

Millions are sobered up every day now.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 10 2024 17:55 utc | 151

When their domestic servants no longer report to work.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 10 2024 18:00 utc | 147

I started to read this “analysis” but as soon as I got to the point where he talks about “the Jews” spending $7 billion” I realised that this was just some anti-semitic dross and not really an intellectual argument against b’s hypothesis. Balderdash by name and content.
Posted by: Vragtes | Oct 10 2024 17:35 utc | 139
Why are you putting strange quotes around “the Jews”? You clearly don’t have a head for elementary math if you think that seven billion is a big number. The only anti-semitic dross around is the European, turkic “jews” genociding the real semitic people. Not that the semitic jews were any less cruel than them at any point in history though.

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 10 2024 18:02 utc | 148

The answer to your question has Russia always been about Russia is NO.. is my answer..
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My question was more or less rhetorical . . .
I think the answer is probably yes.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 10 2024 18:03 utc | 149

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 10 2024 17:18 utc | 126
Well, you’re certainly right in terms of what the RC says, but look at what they do. Does this look like a serious effort to take on China?
For my part, I think China (especially with Russia) is clearly superior to the US and the latter would be beaten by the former in any scenario, unless we all get nuked. Nonetheless, it’s interesting to look at what may be happening behind the scenes.
I know Baud says it’s post religion nihilism that’s to blame, but that doesn’t satisfy me in terms of the apparently crazy foreign policy decisions since covid. It looks like the RC is pulling in different directions.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 10 2024 18:05 utc | 150

@Outraged | Oct 10 2024 17:47 utc | 145
Good points, I accept. Thank you. In short, the US is now a runaway train.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 18:06 utc | 151

Euros are absolutely flipping out about the IDF shooting at UNFIL peacekeepers. Reports of IDF killing one.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2024 18:09 utc | 152

B is right on this one. In addition to Michael Hudson and Richard Woolf, Rob Urie at Naked Capitalism of the Doctorow/b thesis. By implication, I believe Yves Smith does also. Those who say the tail and the dog are the same have valid point too.

Posted by: Henry Gates Steen | Oct 10 2024 18:10 utc | 153

Norwegian@117……tail or the dog….it’s one of those direction distraction topics….amazing how many have time to make excuses for either….like it matters to those doing the dying.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 10 2024 18:12 utc | 154

Euros are absolutely flipping out about the IDF shooting at UNFIL peacekeepers. Reports of IDF killing one.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2024 18:09 utc | 158
____
In 24 hours the Euro response will be “Why didn’t the Irish peacekeepers get out of the way?”
Ireland may or may not issue a formal protest; I think the latter more likely.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2024 18:14 utc | 155

Doctorow is a marketing manager who is rather full of himself. Very interesting when he mostly concentrated on what Russian TV was saying about the war, helpless when making predictions or talking more widely. One of the unfortunate things about shows like Judging Freedom and Dialogue works is the assumption that all guests can be expert on all topics. They can’t. (At least the Judge keeps them to a tight schedule that never goes over 30 mins let along 90.)
Tooze on the other hand is a serious intellectual heavy weight and recently posted the 8th long blog in his Hegemony notes. Lets hope he finishes the book before everyone can see it has been over for some time.
https://adamtooze.substack.com/archive?sort=new
He seems to avoid the most controversial topics (perhaps his column in the FT pays too much) but without making obviously wrong statements.
Dog or Tail? Doesn’t matter really. Once the US goes (has gone) Israel is done. Israel being done means everyone knows US has gone. They are both carriages in the train that is charging over a cliff edge. Israel may be carriage 1. (Europe is carriage 3.)

Posted by: Mickey Droy | Oct 10 2024 18:15 utc | 156

Of course B is right. The US has a powerful interest in installing a puppet regime in Iran, not because it needs Iran’s oil but because China and India do and US control over Iran’s oil would give it powerful leverage over them. US efforts in this regard date back to at least 1953, when it teamed up with Britain to overthrow Mossadegh but Israel played no significant role, if it played any role at all.
Israel on the other hand has nothing to gain and everything to lose from war with Iran. Although Iran has on occasion condemned Israel’s actions towards the Palestinians, Syria, and others, it has never threatened to destroy Israel. Years ago, Ahmadinejad predicted Israel’s future disappearance, and the US media always misquoted this as a threat, but it never was. And Israel has no interest in Iranian territory. But its existence would be at risk in a war with Iran.
As B says, the US controls the flow of weapons to Israel and could put a stop to Israel’s aggressions in a minute. People who understand that US claims of being forced to do this or that by Zelensky are a sham somehow don’t see it when it comes to Israel.
AIPAC’s contributions to Congress members are dwarfed by those of the MIC, Big Oil, Big Tech, Big Pharman, and Wall Street. If any one of those opposed AIPAC policies on anything, they wouldn’t be implemented.
US extracontinental imperialism dates to at least 1898. Israel wasn’t involved until it became a proxy much later. Balfour, a vicious antisemite, welcomed the notion of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East because (a) it might be a way to purge Europe of Jews and (b) it might serve as a tool to exert European influence over uppity Arabs sitting on all that oil.

Posted by: Mouse | Oct 10 2024 18:24 utc | 157

Must see, as well as Baud yesterday on Dialogue works:
https://youtu.be/7lGT-q2YAO0?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/u7J2SA8U7Fk?feature=shared

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 10 2024 18:25 utc | 158

Posted by: Balderdashbuster | Oct 10 2024 15:30 utc | 57
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Lots to digest there, but re Biden as “mastermind.”
I doubt that anyone considers Biden even “a mind,” never mind a “mastermind.”
My thinking, which I didn’t add to my earlier comment, is that he was put in as a figurehead who could be relied on to default to the desired message (“We stand iron-strong with Israel,” or whatever). Even now, in his dementia and dotage, he can mouth the desired formulae. Might not even have to read it off the Teleprompter! And I am sure that his reptilian brain gets a charge from being the Big Bad Commander in Chief, the tough American wartime Fuehrer.
He could be relied upon not to pull on any emergency brakes or, spotting an iceberg, grab the helm and pull the ship onto a less hazardous course.
To me, the fact that both the executive and legislative branches are drenched with Zionists is evidence of the “melded blog” theory. AIPAC manages the Congress (and state capitols), while Neocon swamp dwellers such as Cheney, Bolton, Clinton, Obama, etc. manage the Executive Branch.
(1) A lot of people are making money with this, and expect to make (much) more in the future. (2) The Neocons do seem to believe that making US world hegemony nonnegotiable is in the US national interest. That is the basic message of the PNAC.
They don’t see any value in US soft power, which is in the toilet now, and for the foreseeable future.
Re Doctorow, it is possible that he sees things more from the Russian perspective and perceives the multigenerational war on Russian sovereignty.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 10 2024 18:25 utc | 159

Intolerable’ – Israel Attacks UN Peacekeepers in Lebanon, Italy Summons Ambassador

…Two UN peacekeepers were injured on Thursday after Israeli forces fired at the headquarters of the UN Interim Force (UNIFIL) in south Lebanon where Italian troops are stationed, prompting Rome to summon the Israeli ambassador.
“UNIFIL’s Naqoura headquarters and nearby positions have been repeatedly hit,” the UN mission said in a statement.
“This morning, two peacekeepers were injured after an IDF Merkava tank fired its weapon toward an observation tower at UNIFIL’s headquarters in Naqoura, directly hitting it and causing them to fall.”….

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/intolerable-israel-attacks-un-peacekeepers-in-lebanon-italy-summons-ambassador/

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2024 18:26 utc | 160

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 10 2024 17:16 utc | 124
The Western elites need a war, desperately; a big crash, bang, boom, shock and awe, blow up lots of stuff type of war. Trouble is neither Russia, China or now Iran will oblige.

I agree, and I think that the Covid measures were a previous attempt at a massive disruption. So yes, they need a war but it’s supposed to be conventional and, as you say, the enemy is not complying.
If you combine these two things then a war somewhere else seems necessary. For example in Western Europe, and there are ways how it can come about, I’m afraid.

Posted by: Konami | Oct 10 2024 18:26 utc | 161

Point a:
There is oil in Israel, just not ‘behind’ the pre-1967 borders. There is oil in the West Bank. There is oil in Israeli occupied Syria. And there is lots of oil and natural gas off the coast of Gaza. If Israel permanently takes all these areas, then US and UK oil/gas companies will reap the benefits.
b: Trump has explicitly said that he is personally financially interested in the Gaza real estate that will become available after the Gaza Holocaust is over.
c: Iran is oil rich. Very, very, oil rich. If Israel, the US or an Israeli/US force overthrows the Iranian govt. then US corporations will reap the benefit. Also if Iran goes, and, therefore, the Palestinians are all exterminated, the Yanks will be able to extend Nato into West Asia (and then into the so-called ‘Far East’) and further constrain and control China and then the Russians.

Posted by: Hidari | Oct 10 2024 18:27 utc | 162

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 18:06 utc | 157
Good points, I accept. Thank you. In short, the US is now a runaway train.
‐——-
Drivin’ that train
High on cocaine
ZioCons you’d better watch your speed

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 10 2024 18:34 utc | 163

William Gruff | Oct 10 2024 17:30 utc | 137–
IMO, the historical position outlined by Wolff and Hudson depicts reality realistically as none of the other hypotheses bother to look at the relationship’s roots. That podcast can and ought to be viewed by every barfly here.
The Big Picture issue also is discussed in that podcast, and it’s shown how the West Asian conflict serves the Empire’s purpose within that Picture. And it’s really to understand that bigger point why that podcast must be viewed. Indeed, the last four Dialog Works with that trio demand to be seen for their explanatory power.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 10 2024 18:34 utc | 164

1) Biden is a puppet on a string. He has Alzheimer and Parkinson deseases and it means that he is out of the game, out of any game.
2) Who is in charge in the USA? The Ashkenazis. Who is in charge in France? The same.
3) Who did the 911 attacks? The same.
4) Who are the masters? The same. Aka the neocons.
Harris or Trump whichever will will be chosen will like Biden a puppet on a string. The second a even volunteering. They are the tail of the dog.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 10 2024 18:35 utc | 165

RE: Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2024 18:26 utc | 166
Aren’t they allowed to fire back under those circumstances?
Think that’s their job, to keep the peace and hold the line. It’s why trained military troops are there on the line instead of high school football players.
Not sure how “summoning” an Ambassador is helpful on the ground. But sure, can wag a finger too I suppose and look like you care.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2024 18:38 utc | 166

Norwegian | Oct 10 2024 17:03 utc | 117
*** The disorderly and disgraceful pull-out from Afghanistan 2021 was done in a hurry in order to enable attacking Russia via Ukraine (before Russia could become prepared) and empty it for the Zionist proxies to return to their origins, since their position in Palestine had become complicated. But project Ukraine is now failing spectacularly, so the Zionists proxies “had to” go for plan B, genocide of Palestinians. But that is now also failing even more spectacularly and even faster.***
Now maybe the “Khazarian” option becomes even more appealing again to the narcissistic, psychopathic Jewish cultists. They can still benefit from stolen Palestinian oil and gas resources, while mostly living elsewhere — what is for now central Ukraine — with the option of having some big estates (and even what are effectively slaves to work on these).
So … is Putin going to collaborate with them? Does he already?
Or are such questions not supposed to be asked…..

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 10 2024 18:39 utc | 167

Posted by: Mouse | Oct 10 2024 18:24 utc | 163
Nice and factual.

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 10 2024 18:41 utc | 168

Posted by: james | Oct 10 2024 17:24 utc | 129
James, Thanks for your comment. I think for these elites power is more important than money.
Posted by: john_brewster | Oct 10 2024 17:22 utc | 128
Thanks for your comment. I am not sure the exact post that you are referring to. However, I have extracted the following, from a series or posts on the same day. Perhaps this is what you are referring to.
Actually the concept of ‘Complex auto-creative systems’ helps to understand the ‘social and historical origins of our current malaise’ currently affecting American (and British and European) society.
As I said in my original comment on this subject, @99, such systems (i.e. societies) require constraints, i.e. rules, in order to develop and function. And these rules are developed by trial and error over long time periods. Also required is communication and coordination across the system to ensure that the decisions and actions that are taken are in line with the needs and strategic direction of the society.
However problems arise when these systems are taken over by authoritarians. Authoritarians hate rules, because it limits their freedom to act. And what rules they do make tend to serve themselves at the expense of the system, i.e. the society as a whole. As well, authoritarians think that everything depends on the individual and that systems are unimportant.
The historical origins of the current malaise date back to the take-over of the U.S. political system by trans-national elites, with the election of Reagan in the U.S. in 1980 and Thatcher in Britain in the early 80s. Since then, these elites, who are very authoritarian in nature, have systematically degraded the systems of these societies, whether it be economic, education, health-care, electoral, policing, etc. to the point that they have created dysfunctional, quasi-fascist, states that benefit only themselves and their collaborators to the detriment and impoverishment of the vast majority.
The dissonance at the top of the Biden administration, that was the original subject of this topic, is typical of the anarchy that occurs when the rules that govern decision making no longer function and leadership at the top is absent.
So, in addition to knowing the ‘social and historical origins’, one also needs to know how things work. Authoritarian rule, under the trans-national elites that currently control the political and governmental systems in Western societies, is like a cancer that is systematically destroying the complex auto-creative systems that enables these societies to function and develop.
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Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2024 18:14 utc | 161
LOL. Macron + Meloni = Macaroni

Posted by: Turdworld | Oct 10 2024 18:47 utc | 170

If any one of those opposed AIPAC policies on anything, they wouldn’t be implemented.
Posted by: Mouse | Oct 10 2024 18:24 utc | 163

But they don’t.
They obey to their masters.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 10 2024 18:54 utc | 171

Michael A 123 Says:
“Lots of words…check yourself for depression. But you didn’t address the question: have you watched too much of the lying shitpile Alex Jones or the dancing jew at China Uncensored?”
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Whoa Mr. A, that’s lot of insults and sadly, all are premised on baseless speculation and projection. Had you bothered to read the “lot’s of words” in my snippet of an article you’d have found out that today’s CPC/CCP doesn’t give a rats ass which acronym is used, like all educated people they care about the content and context. Mao himself used CCP…using your warped reasoning he must have watched Alex Jones too…huh? CPC/CCP “controversy” is as important to China as which way American hang the toilet paper roll, they rightfully view it as a sign of a trivial mind.
My original statement has never been addressed.
So, once again, China has been the primary beneficiary of the Department of State and 3LAs criminally misbegotten actions in Ukrainia. And as I predicated in 2014 after the US led coup, short of nuclear annihilation, Russia/Russians will prevail and restore order to it’s lands.
To that end, Russia has already emerged as a stronger more capable nation due to DC/London’s military provocations and economic sanctions but, at a human cost. While Russians are, by their nature, a stoic people, they have hearts and across their great land families grieve for lost love ones who gave their lives to defend their country against the depravity of the soulless anglophilic schoolboys that dominate DC and London.
But back to your attempt to insult me…one presumes Mr. A that…you yourself must have watched a lot of “Alex Jones or Dancing Jew” to determine that they are “lying shitpiles”….no? Myself, I wouldn’t know of their veracity outside of news reports on Mr. Jones, I have not watched/listened to either “Alex Jones or Dancing Jew” but, I had heard that Jones had been censored from Utube and ordered to pay a $1,000,000,000.00 USD for his utterances. From that I deduce that he has as much political pull as the dog sleeping beside me.
In other words, your obsession with “Alex Jones or Dancing Jew’s” influence over the nation appears to be based on somewhat delusional thinking…the powerful pedophiles of Epstein’s black book have done far worse and escaped without so much as a scratch. If you must have an outlet for your hatred perhaps you should consider latching hatred onto one of those demented pedophiles?

Posted by: S Brennan | Oct 10 2024 18:56 utc | 172

Mearsheimer’s book on The Lobby is a farce. I’m the opening sections he says that US Mideast policy is determined by both US strategic interests and the Israel lobby. However, for the rest of the book he only examines the Israel Lobby. He doesn’t quote or reference a single US government document on US Mideast strategy or policy. There are many such documents from the US National Security Council and State Department which deal control of oil and the fear of nationalist and leftist movements in the region. There is also a wealth of primary evidence on the broader strategy of controlling the rimlands and trade routes of Eurasia, and Israel is of course part of that.
So, Mearsheimer is a clown on this question.
Bevin is entirely right. The US is enabling Israeli fascism and genocide because it intersects with the US strategy of fortifying its hold on west Asia, versus the BRICS, China, Russia, Belt and Road, etc.

Posted by: Hammer | Oct 10 2024 18:57 utc | 173

In 1982 Biden told the Israelis during a session of the senate foreign affairs committee to wipe out all Lebanese south of the Latane river and absorb it into Israel. Now that they are actively trying to do that we are supposed to believe that he is somehow not a genocidal manic despite a history of being one? I just am shocked at how fucking stupid my fellow Americans are. And I did not start with a very high opinion of them to begin with.

Posted by: badjoke | Oct 10 2024 19:02 utc | 174

Posted by: Hammer | Oct 10 2024 18:57 utc | 179
Fee fi fo fum, I smell the blood of a Zionut!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 10 2024 19:03 utc | 175

@ badjoke | Oct 10 2024 19:02 utc | 181
Take comfort ( /s ) in the fact that few Americans know where Lebanon is or that anything particular is going on there.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2024 19:07 utc | 176

Doctorow is entirely wrong. Israel dictates US policy. If Israel was merely an obedient proxy of the US, what need would it have for the multi billion dollar lobbying machine it operates in the US?

Posted by: jfrchitect | Oct 10 2024 19:07 utc | 177

Posted by: Hammer | Oct 10 2024 18:57 utc | 179
Mearsheimer’s book was well researched and took tremendous bravery to release. Counter anything in the book with some facts or STFU.
Is hammer a reference to the Macabees? Me thinks it is… 😏

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 10 2024 19:07 utc | 178

There is no separation between dog and tail.
What we have here is a self-wagging dog tail.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2024 13:55 utc | 10
This. Fully agreed. I have long insisted that despite the “factional” division into different states, the Anglosphere constitutes a more or less cohesive entity, the Anglo-American empire. The key is not in the national identification of the citizenry, but in the transnational one of the oligarchy, composed of the lites of the old British empire that amalgamted with those of the US, the powerhouse of the imperialist regime.
Israel is a closely attached appendage of the empire, one of singular importance for a number of reasons. There might be “factional” differences on the type of policies to be adopted, but the support towards the Zionist apartheid state isn’t predicated in shadowy takeovers or powerplays with proxies. It’s the empire standing for its own immediate components, in this case Israel.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 10 2024 19:09 utc | 179

So Zelensky met with the English PM and the new Nato Lord Haw Haw Mark Rutte in London today – where Zelensky was once again denied the right to fire long rage missiles into Russia – they know better – to not allow the wee Neo-Nazi dictator, to fire Storm-Shadow missiles into Russia.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 10 2024 19:12 utc | 180

Trump was impeached because they wanted to impeach him.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2024 14:04 utc | 18
This has no explanatory power whatsoever. WHY did ‘they’ want to impeach him?
Posted by: Honzo | Oct 10 2024 16:40 utc | 104
Why?
Trump had no wars.
Trump has an inclination to make friends with countries ordained by elites to be enemies, i.e., China, Russia, North Korea. (so did Lincoln, Roosevelt, JFK, Nixon, et al, by the way)
Trump wants the power usurped by the government returned to the governed – a’la 1776
And on and on…
Trump just got shot at – by the elites.
Trump doesn’t need the grief he’s going through. He’s got it made already – by any measure. So, what’s he in it for? To me, that’s an even better question.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Oct 10 2024 19:16 utc | 181

So Zelensky met with the English PM and the new Nato Lord Haw Haw Mark Rutte in London today
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Oct 10 2024 19:12 utc | 187

It is reported prominently what the Zelensky wants from the West. About what the West wants from Zelensky nothing is ever said.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 10 2024 19:17 utc | 182

RE: “You will hear nothing about the military casualties in Israel. It is suicide to inform the resistance that their coordinate strikes were accurate.”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2024 17:29 utc | 135
Casualties aside then, I’ll even give that the strikes are accurate.
Given the strength and weapons caches of the just 5 resistance sectors, the material and military damage has been minimal compared to demonstrated capabilities.
As you stated “use it or lose it”.
Someone (not Israel) has a boot-hold on the resistance throat, enabling the whole destruction of Gaza, West Bank & South Lebanon.
Currently Hezbollah hit Kiryat Shmona, repeatedly, an area in Occupied Israel north, repeatedly.
The village has been empty for months with the exception of about 2K settlers that stayed. So, demolition of empty homes & buildings to demonstrate they won’t be reoccupied (?).
Hitting barracks during the day, that no soldiers are even in at those times.
Given the combined capacity, it’s child’s play, and I wonder why, since their own destruction is frankly, ghastly.
Not buying the “moral” high ground, international interest and political arena, as it can’t be more obvious the “law” and international actors are useless.
Guessing the boot is Iran.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2024 19:17 utc | 183

Russia killing Zelenski changes little, and killing heads of state sets a bad precedent.
To Russia, the preferred outcome is when the Americans kill Zelenski.
This could be a learning moment for US allies.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 10 2024 19:17 utc | 184

DS Map intel dropped:
https://deepstatemap.live/en#12/47.4892530/35.9002304
Very small day, ~10 kmsq, which equates to 300/month. Which would be deceleration, not acceleration.
Overall, the “collapse” is not yet evident. Those massively muh-attrited Ukrops retain the ability to slow the RFA down. A lot.
Note also that yesterday, DS didn’t get a second update in, but had missed the day before. So that was actually a bad update also (covering 2 days, not 1). Overall, for last 3 days, we have ~34 kmsq, or an average of ~11/day. And they need to do 16/day to keep pace with last month. And 20/day, to keep the pace of acceleration.
S to N changes:
1. [+UKR] RFA DRG groups across the causeway at Plavni were “eliminated”. This had the potential to be a sort of reverse Krinky. Doesn’t seem like the RFA followed up, though (smart). Chalk it up as a probing attack. [Gray zone change only, no red zone kmsq impact.]
2. About 4kmsq in the NW of the Pokrovsk salient. RFA is now about 1.6 km from the first houses of Myrnorad (Pokrovsk’s sister city). About 1.1 km from it, if you use the gray zone. The villages of Mykolaivka, Krasnyi Yar and Krutyi Yar were finally 100% occupied. Looks like a real change, given the gray flexed also.
3. About a kmsq NW of New York. Looks like a real change, given the gray flexed also.
4. About 5 kmsq of fields in a pocket N of Andriivka (Pischane sector). Also the entire small village of Miasozharivka. Looks like a real change, given the gray flexed (and some green was lost).
5. Large gray zone advance (in RFA favor) in Kursk region. The town of Novoivanovka is mostly taken/contested. This is well to the E of Lyubimovka (still contested, also). If held, this allows control/cutting of the main supply road to UFA troops in the NW part of the Kursk salient (Korenevo area). So this is definitely “strategic”. Need to wait and see if RFA can keep control, though. Was a very large change on the map and with small numbers of forces (3 APCs!)
Note, this is a large area (25kmsq). However, I’m not crediting Russia, since I didn’t deduct Kursk from their AUG numbers. I see these as separate sectors and the RFA just needs to get back to par here. I do think RFA has been driving more/better in Kursk for last month or so. But it remains a very fluid area and different than the kind of grinding moves we see elsewhere and can forecast rates from. Also, UFA has definitely hung in there a lot more than most of the chitchatters on this site thought they would (most were talking about a week to get rid of them!)

Posted by: Anonymous | Oct 10 2024 19:19 utc | 185

@10 Arch Bungle
@186 Constantine
Concordo plenamente.
O rabo é o cachorro e o cachorro é o rabo.
Five eyes/anglosfere são um só e seu objetivo é a hegemonia ou o caos.

Posted by: Soviético | Oct 10 2024 19:19 utc | 186

“My hunch is that this is putting the cart before the horse.”
Bullseye !

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 10 2024 19:21 utc | 187

The Hail Mary pass from Joe ..,
Bitter revenge after decades of foreign policy failures … see Emmanuel Todd …
US-UK-Israel are choosing targets in the Islamic Republic of Iran and proxies in the region.for joint action because they can …
In fact an indirect hit at Putin and Russia hoping this wil support Zelenskyy in his “Victory Plan” … delay beyond January 20th.

Posted by: Oui | Oct 10 2024 19:22 utc | 188

In agreement with ‘b’ – This is what I posted a few days ago in response to a question karlof1 raised on his subtract discussing A. Crooke:
The only lesson the ‘professional world-order class’ learns from today’s state of play, and it is not really a lesson but more of an instinct as it appears incapable of ‘real learning’ as such, is that it needs to escalate and sow more chaos and mayhem as it would be simply unconscionable, assuming of course that it has anything remotely correlated to a consciousness let alone a conscience (which it hasn’t), to allow the present little deviation from its full-spectrum dominance trajectory to continue.
In other words: war.
https://karlof1.substack.com/p/al-aqsa-flood-one-year-later/comments

Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 10 2024 19:26 utc | 189

Israeli defense minister Galant says Israel’s response to Iran’s attack will be destructive and surprising. Speculation on Naked Capitalism is that he was talking about EMP. When the Vela explosion was detected by the Vela satellite in 1979, the satellite’s EMP sensor malfunctioned. The explosion is normally considered a nuclear explosion in space jointly conducted by Israel and South Africa.
One wonders what Israel learned about EMP from this explosion.

Posted by: lysoas | Oct 10 2024 19:29 utc | 190

RE: Posted by: Moonie | Oct 10 2024 16:49 utc | 111
Possibly is too “5D” moral chessboard stuff fir my brain to comprehend as you stated.
In my simple world, “morality” never stopped a building from collapsing with my entire family in it or aided my hands in digging a potato out of the ground to eat. “Moral high ground” is said by people that are still flipping their lights on with a switch.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2024 19:32 utc | 191

Sorry, I mistyped “lysias”.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 10 2024 19:33 utc | 192

thank you b,
my committee’s unconditional approval
hoping you’ll open some people’s eyes
we who live where the genocidaires’ HQs are, have an important role and responsibility to assume

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 10 2024 19:34 utc | 193

Автор: Аноним | 10 октября 2024 г., 19:19 по Гринвичу | 192
Укро фашистов гонят с Курской земли. Дело идёт хорошо!
https://t.me/yurasumy/18480

Posted by: Виктор | Oct 10 2024 19:40 utc | 194

Posted by: Honzo | Oct 10 2024 17:48 utc | 147
#########
Politics doesn’t conform to moral, philosophical, or mathematical rules.
You’re answering a question whose answer is not from a domain you believe acceptable.
They could have impeached Trump for wearing a hairpiece. The actual reason does not matter, the stated reason does not matter. What mattered was how much support Trump could get in the Senate and at what political cost.
It’s like asking if the color blue is good or bad. It just is. Whoever has the most power in the situation can decide what blue is. And whoever lacks power in the situation, must accept that answer.
We can agree, disagree, be happy, be angry, it doesn’t matter because that is how it works.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2024 19:40 utc | 195

Colonel Richard Black explains how the US instrumentalized the terrorists groups in Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xJo11ENed4

Posted by: Tom | Oct 10 2024 19:42 utc | 196

You’re answering a question whose answer is not from a domain you believe acceptable.
#####
Asking a question whose answer is not from a domain …

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2024 19:42 utc | 197

In this good article in The Cradle today:
https://thecradle.co/articles/resisting-fragmentation-the-battle-to-unify-west-asias-fronts
the author cites from a piece in the Israeli newspaper Maariv:
If the Israeli army had been alone in the mission, the Iranians would have had another matter, but the United States has constantly stood by its side, and is responsible for financing the war, continuing ammunition supplies, and providing diplomatic support. In practice, this is an Israeli-American battle, or American-Israeli, and the Israeli army is the implementing contractor, but Washington has a central role.

Posted by: JB | Oct 10 2024 19:42 utc | 198

RE: Posted by: lysoas | Oct 10 2024 19:29 utc | 197
Been hearing about this Iran/Israel “war” for 50 years now.
It will never happen.
Zionism cult came in with a whisper & will go out with a bang.
Zionism is finished.
What’s left of occupied Palestine afterwards some new world order will decide, which Iran/SA is fully on board with.
The Epstein scandal was the flashing red light that the stranglehold days of Mossad & Zios were over in the US.
This is the flushing of the toilet. Nothing more.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 10 2024 19:46 utc | 199

It doesn’t surprise me really.
When Christmas was banned in the UK and in Scotland for 400 years. Even mince pies were banned and anybody who asked to buy one for the family were supposed to be reported. To get round it and that’s why we have mini mince pies today.The Scots made little ones so you could hide them in your pocket.
The people who thought that wasn’t harsh enough punishment to ban Christmas and everything that goes with it, are the ones who moved to America. It was filled with complete psychopaths from the start.
That’s why they have less holiday days than anybody else and Christmas in America is called happy holiday rather than merry Christmas. Even on their Christmas cards today.
If there was left and right wing within the Presbyterian Church the first settlers were on the very, very, very, very right of that spectrum.
It is why they are so happy to join up with very, very, very, very right of any group and ideology to attack others. So.it doesn’t really surprise me the way they have acted since those days. Why anybody to the left of John Bolton is called a communist.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Oct 10 2024 19:46 utc | 200