Zelenski's U.S. Trip Ends In Failure
The (former) Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelinski has failed. During his current travel in the U.S. his 'victory plan', a wishlist designed to drag the U.S. and NATO deeper into the war, did not gain support.
Even his most urgent request, to allow Ukraine to use supplied long range missiles for long-range strikes within Russia, has been rejected.
To justify its decision the Biden administration even 'leaked' an intelligence assessment which warned of allowing such:
Intelligence agencies concluded that granting Ukraine’s request to use Western missiles against targets deep in Russia could prompt forceful retaliation while not fundamentally changing the course of the war.
A promise of another US$8 billion gift in military supplies was offered as a consolation gift. But the package does not include what the Ukrainian military needs or wants:
In the absence of looser restrictions to let Kyiv use Western missiles, the White House has shipped the Joint Standoff Weapon (Jsow), a precision-guided glide bomb with a range of about 80 miles, for the first time.A statement by Mr Biden said the F-16-launched weapon would “enhance Ukraine’s long-range strike capabilities”.
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Even if Jsow is allowed to be dropped on Russia — Mr Biden’s statement does not make reference to the possibility — it does not have the range to cause significant harm.Because of the density of Moscow’s air defences near the front line, Ukrainian F-16s would need to drop the bombs from a safe distance, effectively meaning Jsow would be able to hit targets just 25 miles inside Russia.
Aside from a rather small amount for additional ammunition most of the $8 billion will be in payments to U.S. companies for the production of weapons which Ukraine will only receive years from now.
In her meeting with Zelenski Vice-President Kamala Harris urged to continue the war:
Ms. Harris, who has met with Mr. Zelensky a half-dozen times since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, said at the White House on Thursday that she would “ensure Ukraine prevails in this war,” adding that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia “could end the war tomorrow.”Ms. Harris said that those who would have Ukraine trade territory for peace were supporting “proposals of surrender” — a dig at former President Donald J. Trump, her Republican opponent, and his skepticism of aid for Kyiv.
She added that the fight in Ukraine “matters to the people of America,” and framed the conflict as one that the American people should recognize as highly consequential.
“The most important moments in our history have come when we stood up to aggressors like Putin,” Ms. Harris said, warning that the Russian leader would not stop with Ukraine, and would possibly even look into encroaching on NATO territory, if he succeeds in his campaign.
The Republicans have shunned Zelenski over his intervention in the upcoming election:
They were angered by Zelensky's visit to an arms factory in Biden's hometown of Scranton with top Democrats. Zelensky will meet Trump on Friday despite earlier reports that the meeting had been cancelled.Zelensky's visit to the ammunition factory in the key swing state of Pennsylvania was labelled by leading Republicans as a partisan campaign event.
In a public letter, speaker of the US House Mike Johnson said the visit was "designed to help Democrats" and claimed it amounted to "election interference".
The Republican candidate Donald Trump only agreed to meet Zelenski after the later begged him in a letter (which Trump immediately published). He had previously lambasted Zelenski for his unwillingness to negotiate a settlement with Russia:
Republican rival for the presidency, Donald Trump, mocked Zelensky at a campaign event as the "greatest salesman on Earth" and accused him of refusing to "make a deal" with Moscow.Earlier this week, Trump also praised Russia's military capabilities, saying: "They beat Hitler, they beat Napoleon - that’s what they do, they fight."
They indeed do. The news from the battlefield are not in Ukraine's favor.
Russian forces have surrounded Ugledar, a mining city that constituted a Ukrainian bulwark in its south eastern defense line. Whatever is left of the 72nd Ukrainian brigade has been trapped in the city after its earlier requests for evacuation had been denied.
The Ukrainian incursion into Russia's Kursk oblast is also coming to an end. The Ukrainian command had to pull back its largely destroyed 82nd brigade that had led the incursion. It was replaced with a Territorial Defense Brigade which lacks the training and will for a longer fight.
All over the eastern front Ukrainian troops are in retreat. They are in disarray and lack the capacity to hold a line (archived):
Ukraine’s troops and their commanders are growing concerned over manpower problems, particularly the quality of new recruits and the speed at which they are injured or killed in combat.
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Along the front in Donetsk, four commanders, a deputy commander and nearly a dozen soldiers from four Ukrainian brigades told the Financial Times that the new conscripts lack basic combat skills, motivation and often abandon their positions when they come under fire.The commanders estimated that 50 to 70 per cent of new infantry troops were killed or wounded within days of starting their first rotation.
The Ukrainian frontline is literarily running out of capable soldiers:
Seasoned soldiers “are being killed off too quickly”, said another commander on the eastern front, only to be replaced by mostly older men without experience and in worse physical shape.Age is a key concern — the average person in Ukraine’s military is 45. Of about 30 infantry troops in a unit, said the deputy commander of the 72nd brigade, on average half were in their mid-40s, only five were under 30 and the rest were 50 or older.
“As infantry, you need to run, you need to be strong, you need to carry heavy equipment,” he added. “It’s hard to do that if you aren’t young.”
There is no way for Ukraine to sustain the war for much longer. It will have to negotiate with Russia even while it is retreating everywhere.
The Biden administration will want to prevent a grueling defeat in Ukraine before the November election. But it has given Ukraine nothing to sustain for much longer than a few months from there.
Zelenski can see the writing on the wall. To end the war he will have to agree to give up on a large part of former Ukrainian proper. But the fascists who indirectly rule in Ukraine do not condone that and will give him little room to move forward.
What is Zelenksi going to do now when it is obvious that there is not other way out?
Posted by b on September 27, 2024 at 11:34 UTC | Permalink
next page »There is no way for Ukraine to sustain the war for much longer. It will have to negotiate with Russia even while it is retreating everywhere.
This has been said for 2 years now, and was indeed accepted by Kiev in April 2022.
Demilitaristion of Ukraine happened a long time ago in effect. Demilitarisation of Nato is largely over, at least its ability to fight conventionally in E Europe.
If this were about military goals Nato would have given up long ago. It is about the Matrix - about denying reality for as long as possible. More Ukrainians will be dragged away to be killed.
Posted by: Mickey Droy | Sep 27 2024 12:00 utc | 2
Posted by b
Zelenski's U.S. Trip Ends In Failure
Par for the course, a lot of things in Ukraine are ending in failure.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 12:01 utc | 3
The question is; how much territory will Russia have liberated, by the time of the US elections? At the rate they have been advancing, they are unlikely to take any major cities, but they will control something like 25 rather than 20% of Ukrainian territory. I get the impression, their advance is carefully calculated. They have some idea of what will damage Washington's prestige...
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Sep 27 2024 12:02 utc | 4
I try to avoid wishful thinking, but I have to concede the evidence of a sudden number of sobering signals coming from 'the west' (intentional lack of capital 'W').
OT (my apologies)*
Cannot see anymore web version of this TG channel:
https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/12476
(Pepe Escobar TG channel)
Thanks in advance
Posted by: Teta | Sep 27 2024 12:05 utc | 5
Thank you, B.
The EU will now attempt to push the United States of America further to the front lines by pressuring them to breach every conceivable threshold of decency and deference. Until Trump, who I think will prevail if he manages to survive chaos and disorder—if not - a bloody nose for NATO while the United States remains silent. Because they are the first in a long line of nations and personalities that made this horrific conflict possible. By equipping Nazis in Ukraine with funds from the European Peace Funds acting as a piggyback. Now the US is leaving Ukraine to itself and watch how European NATO performs its dance. Zelensky is done.
Posted by: whirlX | Sep 27 2024 12:07 utc | 6
Speaking of failure, "No hard feelings, it's just business."
Duda acknowledged that many in the West want to resume business with Russia."We must not deceive ourselves - many today are waiting for this war to end so they can return to business with Russia, openly and without shame," the Polish leader told Polsat News.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 12:10 utc | 7
I suppose there’s a very remote chance that Zelensky could throw a huge spanner in the works by getting back to Ukraine, announcing a lifting of martial law and calling presidential and parliamentary elections. That’s about the only way he could get out alive, by losing office.
One heck of a “Hail Mary” and very, very unlikely to actually happen though.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 27 2024 12:15 utc | 9
I remember reading about the demise and disintegration of the EU ten years ago.
I commented the people running the EU would never let that happen.
My prediction and I hope I’m wrong:
The people running the EU and the USA will never stop and give up east Ukraine. Oligarchs have bought up this land and want the wealth associated with it.
And they cannot lose face.
This war will escalate if Harris wins the election. And I think with Trump as well.
His negotiating tactic to tend the war is basically blackmail.
Posted by: Jl555 | Sep 27 2024 12:18 utc | 10
He will retire to his Tuscan vineyard and live out a comfortable retirement. Nothing will happen and he’ll suffer no consequences. Ruling classes don’t suffer consequences any more, they’re protected. The remaining Ukrainians will hopefully join Russia and prosper, or they’ll remain a black hole for intelligence laundering, sex slavery and money recycling.
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2024 12:19 utc | 11
"No hard feelings, it's just business."
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 12:10 utc | 7
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Easier said than done. There will be hard feelings. The only question is how dangerously hard.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 27 2024 12:20 utc | 12
Ruling classes don’t suffer consequences any more, they’re protected.
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 27 2024 12:19 utc | 11
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A bet was wagered and over a trillion dollars was lost. There will be consequences.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 27 2024 12:23 utc | 13
what a panorama
The actor hired for the horrific tragedy of the Ukrainian gambit, the European puppets at the service of the state department in Washington ...
Washington in the hands of the mental software of Ukrainians, Poles, Belarusians and Russians of a medieval ethnic group fond of stories, fantasies and delusions
and a Russian ruling class that has preferred to sacrifice young Russians rather than bother the masters of the West
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 12:33 utc | 14
Posted by: Jl555 | Sep 27 2024 12:18 utc | 10Losing face is not an issue. The empire "lost face" in Cuba, Vietnam, Afghanistan and nobody gives a shit. The grip on mainstream media is strong enough that any truce/armistice/surrender will be painted as a win.My prediction and I hope I’m wrong:
The people running the EU and the USA will never stop and give up east Ukraine. Oligarchs have bought up this land and want the wealth associated with it.
And they cannot lose face.
A lot was invested into Ukraine, and many of the investments are going to be lost. That happens. They will move on, keep the geopolitical potential of Ukraine/Baltics/Finland etc. vs Russia, and exploit and warmonger elsewhere. It's normal business. This war is a bit unusual because it takes place in Europe. It is very normal (sadly) in many regards. If the plan was to topple Russia (I am not sure, I now think that Germany and EU may have been more important) than that failed. That'd be a step back but it's not the end, and can be picked up again later, under better conditions.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2024 12:33 utc | 15
Does Ukr even have any f-16s left?
Last I saw (last night) Russia's latest round of strikes was specifically on F-16s. Of course, they were hidden in Soviet bunkers, so it may take a few go rounds to demolish them...
Posted by: Mary | Sep 27 2024 12:35 utc | 16
Don't know if this article from Denmark has made it abroad. Regarding the North Stream pipeline.
Around 4-5 five days before the sabotage the harbor master of the small island Christiansø, closes to the NS2, was out with the rescue service because they had noticed a number of ships with closed radios (transponders?). It turned out they were American navy ships. When the rescue service closed in they were instructed by the Danish Naval Command to turn around. When back on land, the harbor master was instructed to not mention the incident.
Just another data point.
Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 27 2024 12:35 utc | 17
-There is no way for Ukraine to sustain the war for much longer.
Heard that more than once in two and half years. Let's wait and see. Well I am going to.
Posted by: Dharma | Sep 27 2024 12:39 utc | 18
OK. I've just finished reviewing this mornings MSM Ukraine news cycle and can humbly recommend that rump Ukraine be renamed Copeland.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 27 2024 12:46 utc | 19
“Ukraine is gone, it’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” the Republican candidate said. “If we made a bad deal, it would have been much better. They [Ukraine] would have given up a little bit and everybody would be living.”
Speech by Trump at a rally couple of days ago.
Posted by: alek_a | Sep 27 2024 12:46 utc | 20
thanks b.. i am on holidays..
the way i see it, the idea is not to win a war with the usa.. look at vietnam, libya, iraq, afganastan and etc. etc.. the idea is to prolong the money making opportunities for as long as possible.. the object is not to win, but to profit and prolong…. listening to the usa presidential candidates, it is clear one is selling hopium and the other is implying he is going to end it, but i think he is leaving the door wide open to continue this stupid painful war indefinitely…. sad to see how even something as monumentous as this is treated like another bullshit political campaign to profit off, as opposed to demonstrating real leadership.. and here we are in the west with a real leadership vacuum.. if an actual leader were to show up in the west, everyone would be shocked!
Posted by: james | Sep 27 2024 12:50 utc | 21
Wouldn't be sad to see Zelensky get fragged. Dance with the devil...
Posted by: Scottindallas | Sep 27 2024 12:50 utc | 22
Speech by Trump at a rally couple of days ago.
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Evident demonstration that Ukraine is not a central issue for Permanent Washington Permanent
Clear demonstration that the Russian ruling class has preferred to sacrifice young Russian soldiers rather than bother the masters of the West
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 12:51 utc | 23
Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 27 2024 12:35 utc | 17Didn't know, very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2024 12:53 utc | 24
and a Russian ruling class that has preferred to sacrifice young Russians rather than bother the masters of the West
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 12:33 utc | 14
That's why we and the 87% of the world loves Russia. Finally someone dared to stand up to the sick outlaw US Empire.
Posted by: blueswede | Sep 27 2024 12:54 utc | 25
The question is; how much territory will Russia have liberated, by the time of the US elections? At the rate they have been advancing, they are unlikely to take any major cities, but they will control something like 25 rather than 20% of Ukrainian territory. I get the impression, their advance is carefully calculated. They have some idea of what will damage Washington's prestige...
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Sep 27 2024 12:02 utc | 4
I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with American elections. The Russians certainly are no. They, like anyone who is paying attention, understand that whoever is president, the Deep State rules the US. This does not change just because the face in the White House does. Russia is fighting a war against the US in all domains, and is winning in all domains. Their pace in any particular domain is not a function US 'electoral' politics, it reflects their understanding of the interaction of events in all the domains of conflict.
The US war machine has reached a critical limit. It cannot sustain the war in Ukraine and the one in the ME at the same time. It cannot win either one, it can only choose which to prolong. THIS choice is not determined by electoral politics in the US either: The Israelis have the same level of control over both parties. Whichever party or individuals prevail in the November elections, they will have to oversee the defeat of the US in Ukraine. They may or may not be able to push the defeat of Israel back so their successor has to deal with it.
The 'winners' will also have to deal with the same global financial crisis and all the issues of decay and destruction in American society, and since both parties are politically corrupt, and both parties are under the thumb of the 'donor class' and the security state institutions that serve it and control the kompromat on US politicians, neither is in a position to lead any kind of constructive change until the organs of power of the very class that brought the nation and the world to this state are ready for change. In the meantime, chaos, destruction and despair will characterize the American condition.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 27 2024 12:54 utc | 26
@ 23 simon..
you sound quite confident in your conclusions.. do you ever doubt your confidence?
Posted by: james | Sep 27 2024 12:55 utc | 27
Arghhhh! It's easy. Zelensky grabs more people off the street and forces them at gunpoint to the front. Rinse, repeat. Foreign pressure means nothing because the situation isn't subject to reason in the common sense. The US can supply ammo and handheld weapons without limit.
Really, what can stop the war? An international demand that Zelensky holds monitored elections with aid cut off threatened. The West won't do that - which tells you they want the war to continue. And starvation or emigration of freezing refugees won't stop the war either. They run away or die, so what? Other than that, outright rebellion of army units or cities - but that can't happen if the enforcers/Azov/army kidnappers are still in control. So, there is no end to it. Please feel free to point out how I could be wrong because I don't see it. And you may have thought 'to the last Ukrainian' was just hyperbole?
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 27 2024 12:56 utc | 28
and a Russian ruling class that has preferred to sacrifice young Russians rather than bother the masters of the West
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 12:33 utc | 14
That's why we and the 87% of the world loves Russia. Finally someone dared to stand up to the sick outlaw US Empire.
Posted by: blueswede | Sep 27 2024 12:54
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You and I are saying exactly the opposite.
you affirm the fantasy propagated by the tolerated alternative media
I think just the opposite: young Russian soldiers are dying because the Russian ruling class does not want to bother the masters of the West.
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 13:00 utc | 29
I get it Simon, you belong to the 13%. Tough luck.
Posted by: blueswede | Sep 27 2024 13:05 utc | 30
young Russian soldiers are dying
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 13:00 utc | 29
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Conscripts or volunteers?
Posted by: too scents | Sep 27 2024 13:06 utc | 31
Simon: I assume that's trolling because I don't believe in stupidity but for everyone else I'll quickly explain: Russia's SMO is (a) upsetting massive Western (financial) investments in Ukraine, (b) negative to US because they lose the Ukraine pawn (militarily/politically) built up so patiently, (c) costly on a global scale because de-dollarisation and pro-BRICSing speed up.
It's not a total loss because the empire got something out of the Ukraine gambit but "does not want to bother the masters of the West" is either delusional (if stupid) or pernicious (if intentional).
Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2024 13:08 utc | 32
[email protected] elected, once Trump finds out Russia has oil, he will never seek peace or call off the dogs.....as they have wanted all along, a SlogMow to keep Russia busy.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2024 13:11 utc | 33
Kamyhoe Harris, the marxist Soros/Obam puppet, continuing to support corrupt Kieve fascists.....only in the world of the contorted democommie party............
Their party will end on November 5th and then Volo will be friendless and on his way to Haifa and his luxury seaside condo................
The party is over, time to sober up..............meanwhile at MOA bar its time for a Bloody Mary, extra Vodka please, and hold the pickel............
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 27 2024 13:16 utc | 34
Posted by: Mickey Droy | Sep 27 2024 12:00 utc | 2 "Demilitaristion of Ukraine happened a long time ago in effect."
Maybel, but it looks like Zelensky came home with 7 or 8 billion dollars to "remilitarize" Ukraine for a bit.
Which made Maxim Yusin, a prominent Russian columnist and commentator to say on Russian TV: "Let’s come down to earth... This conflict is forever, your grandchildren will still be fighting in it.”
It looks like there are Russians who aren't as optimistic as you are.
Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 27 2024 13:18 utc | 35
[email protected] 100%, it will just move to a ongoing border skirmish until, if possible, Russia can make it to NATO borders. No end in sight this week, maybe next.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2024 13:20 utc | 36
Meeting between Lavrov and Anthony
Any rational Russian player and patriot would have said:
- look Anthony, if you bother me in Ukraine, I will bother you in "our (your) colonial project" (Vladimir Jabotinsky) founded (1917-) by Ukrainians and Poles and the brutish Empire
The Russian ruling class has preferred to sacrifice Russian soldiers rather than upset the Masters
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 13:20 utc | 37
@ 37 simon
you don’t want to come across as a broken record at moa, or do you?
Posted by: james | Sep 27 2024 13:22 utc | 38
A bet was wagered and over a trillion dollars was lost. There will be consequences.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 27 2024 12:23 utc | 13
That's just the way it is, they bet and lost, and because they're good Americans they want their money back. Probably not from Ukraine, probably not from Russia either or China, but they will find someone; in the end you can always squeeze something out of the Europeans, because they don't defend themselves and are always grateful.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Sep 27 2024 13:23 utc | 39
Broken record and Moa is A=A
Be sincere and speak clearly: you simply didn't like what I said because you can't stand harsh reality.
Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 13:25 utc | 40
What will Zelensky do?
He'll flee Ukraine for the States - and a new leader of Ukraine will thrash out the surrender.
The Neo-Nazi brigades will make noises of never surrendering - but in the end, they'll do as they are told.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 27 2024 13:26 utc | 41
James at 12:50 “the idea is not to win a war with the usa.. look at vietnam, libya, iraq, afganastan and etc. etc.. the idea is to prolong the money making opportunities for as long as possible”
This is absolutely it. It’s not that there are not other objectives and aims like weakening Germany and making Europe more dependent on the US and etc. too. But the long term and constant aim is the budgetary need for credible foreign enemies (with occasional, hopefully manageable foreign wars to punctuate the narrative) to justify the incredible budgets and expense.
So the “war” doesn’t have to be won to be a great victory for the people who matter. Their tens and hundreds of billions in new contracts are in already. EU militarized policy is in effect and they will pass laws for required military spending of gargantuan proportions this year.
And just think: the China affair hasn’t even been kicked off yet …
Posted by: Caliman | Sep 27 2024 13:29 utc | 42
Eighthman @27
Consider the likely scenario of a catabolic collapse. Rather than a big all-at-once collapse, we may see sections of the front give out one by one, over time. Kind of like the body slowly dying one organ at a time. First the kidneys, then the liver, then the heart. Finally, the brain.
For example, Zelensky may have to give up the entire southern Zap direction now that Ugledar is toast. He can try moving those troops to Kharkiv or Kupyansk to stave off the inevitable for a few more months. Eventually a complete withdrawal from the Donbas looks likely if not in 2024 then 2025.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 27 2024 13:29 utc | 43
Maximum available manpower for the UAF would be circa 3 millions max in 2022. Now with 750k deads 1.2M crippled : at best one million left without accounting all the Awol, nuts, too mad or dumb to serve.
In normal conditions a third are frontline material, the rest is rotation and logistic.
Actually you can already forget about the rotation in 404... so whatever money and guns you poors in ; without able bodies to man the guns this will soon end. Or it's world war Z and they found a way to raise the deads ... graveyards are active places in 404 but not that kind of "active" for now :)
Posted by: Bernd Badder | Sep 27 2024 13:30 utc | 44
"It's not a total loss because the empire got something out of the Ukraine gambit but "does not want to bother the masters of the West" is either delusional (if stupid) or pernicious (if intentional)."
Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2024 13:08 utc | 32
100% correct
I posted here some speculation after CIA leaks hit the US MSM stating that strikes deep into Russia will not accomplish much was opening the potential for Harris to work towards a peace settlement that she could take credit for. Notwithstanding her positioning for this, she has taken the neocon weak way out. She has chosen war and more death. Now that she has, we can expect Trump do do some unpredictable things.
Posted by: frithguild | Sep 27 2024 13:33 utc | 46
[email protected] realists in Russia than here at MOA. At least some Russians have their eye on the big picture, and they know way more about the mood there. I'd be surprised to find out they didn't mind the first 2 years of the SlogMow as it plowed along under the tutelage of grifters. Imagine the letters to the MOD from the mothers wives, daughters and children of dead Russian soldiers when they found out some grafting fucker was responsible for the death of their family members.
Russia completely underestimated FUKUS. But then they did leave the barn doors open after they flogged the first 2, 3, 4.....how many Ukie armies, hard to keep track sometimes.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2024 13:33 utc | 47
I wonder what percentage of the population are sympathetic to the military/neo-Nazis. This may be a deciding factor in ending the conflict.
Posted by: horseguards | Sep 27 2024 13:42 utc | 48
How many wanna‘ be vassals or color revolutionaries gonna‘ have second thoughts after seeing Zelensky thrown under the bus ?
Posted by: Exile | Sep 27 2024 13:45 utc | 49
My prediction and I hope I’m wrong:
The people running the EU and the USA will never stop and give up east Ukraine. Oligarchs have bought up this land and want the wealth associated with it.
And they cannot lose face.
This war will escalate if Harris wins the election. And I think with Trump as well.
Posted by: Jl555 | Sep 27 2024 12:18 utc | 10
You are very right.
The defeat of the west is unthinkable.
A question: How expensive is it for the west to finance this war?
Big money or peanuts?
Posted by: vargas | Sep 27 2024 13:46 utc | 50
reply to 43
I see what you're saying but 'and then what happens'? Sure, Donbass is lost, along with 3-4 other areas but how does that end the war? The front line changes and men, boys, women, pensioners are dragged of the street into combat. Someone with a gun in their hands must say "No" and be multiplied by thousands across Ukraine. As Mao said, "all power comes from the barrel of a gun". Where's the fragging, for Pete's sake?
I don't see this 'investment in Ukraine stuff. I'm sure there are plenty of resources on the Moon but no people to work or retrieve them and much of that will apply here. Mining takes many years of financial losses to eventually be successful ( believe me, I know). The US lost a trillion on Afghanistan and 6 trillion on the War on Terror. If these sociopaths had invested in stem cell/regeneration research, we might be demigods by now.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 27 2024 13:46 utc | 51
Hmm I dunno he got a lot of money and weapons to be sent in regular intervals for a long time.
It wasn't a bad trip, and he helped Harris in her presidential bid too, so that may help more in the future
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 27 2024 13:46 utc | 52
Ukraine Weekly Update, 27th Sept 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-22d
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 27 2024 13:50 utc | 53
The question is; how much territory will Russia have liberated, by the time of the US elections? At the rate they have been advancing, they are unlikely to take any major cities, but they will control something like 25 rather than 20% of Ukrainian territory. I get the impression, their advance is carefully calculated. They have some idea of what will damage Washington's prestige...
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Sep 27 2024 12:02 utc | 4
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Well, it's not just the USA's presidency that plays a role in the Russians' apparently slow advance.
There are many reasons, from high losses if you go on the offensive to civilian casualties.
But... it's also about allowing the Nazis to have space in the country until the guns finally fall silent. If the Azov Nazis around Sylenski come under too much pressure, they will become dangerous. Where will they go if Putin takes over the whole of Ukraine? The EU's neighboring countries will probably say thank you and wave them off. The USA, well, maybe take in the elites among them in secret, and the rest?
So Putin is actually helped, there will be a rest of Ukraine, which will then even be allowed into the EU, so the EU has the problem of ACTIVE armed NAZIS in their territory with the freedom to travel!
Whether the rest of Ukraine is viable is definitely not the case without Odessa. And Odessa is much more important to the strategists in the West than Kiev or Lviv. WE WILL SEE THAT the battle for Odessa will dominate the issue more than Sylenski himself.
By the way, Macron's weak point but also his dream is Odessa!
Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 13:55 utc | 54
Posted by: too scents | Sep 27 2024 12:23 utc | 13
"There will be consequences." I can't wait to gloat at the twats here in the UK.
Posted by: horseguards | Sep 27 2024 13:55 utc | 55
⚡️⚡️⚡️ #Инсайд Our source in the Ukrainian delegation said that Biden promised Zelensky to allow strikes deep into Russian territory after the US presidential elections. At this stage, the Biden Administration will support Ukraine's initiatives and supply available weapons so that the Russian army cannot seize Donbas. https://t.me/rezident_ua/24454
Delusional or disinformation "leak" or else.
Posted by: Richard L | Sep 27 2024 13:55 utc | 56
Posted by: Ed4 | Sep 27 2024 13:18 utc | 35
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Atheists can be such Utopians.
In the Russian way of thinking, the existential battle against evil is perpetual on this plane.
People keep thinking that war can end when the bad guys are all blown up. Naive, IMO.
Eliminate every psychopath around today and there will be thousands more in 20 years. Evil is a sickness, an incurable sickness, a constant struggle not unlike the need for food or oxygen.
Adopting a truly rational and objective view of history should make this clear.
And then, there is revelation which also explains this quite clearly.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2024 13:56 utc | 57
Poroshenko prepares for Zelensky's election, by Sergey Mirkin, journalist, Donetsk, for VZGLYAD. 09.27.2024.
Perhaps Zelensky's victory plan is designed to be rejected in Washington, which will give the ZE team the opportunity to carry out a multi-move combination that will result in holding presidential elections without lifting martial law.
Representatives of the European Solidarity party (the political force of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko) made several statements that the team of the head of the Maidan regime, Volodymyr Zelensky, is preparing for the presidential elections.
Thus, Ukrainian parliament member Oleksiy Goncharenko (included by Rosfinmonitoring in the list of extremists and terrorists) stated that, according to his information, Zelensky's deputy head of office Viktor Mykyta secretly met with regional representatives of the Servant of the People party (Zelensky's political force) and discussed with them issues of the electoral process and preparation for the elections. Another Poroshenko supporter, former Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yuriy Lutsenko, is confident that the so-called plan for Zelensky's victory is calculated on the fact that he will not be approved in Washington, and this will give the ZE team the opportunity to carry out a multi-move combination, the result of which will be the holding of presidential elections without the lifting of martial law, which will allow Zelensky's supporters to control the entire process.
Why did Poroshenko's supporters raise the topic of elections now? There are several versions.
Poroshenko decided to raise the issue of elections before his trip to Washington. Moreover, journalists and experts in the US have written more than once that Zelensky, by refusing to hold elections, is violating the principles of democracy, and cited the case when in the 1950s the US held presidential elections despite the fact that the country was waging war in Korea. Perhaps the representatives of "European Solidarity" are following orders from certain forces in the West who want to ensure that elections are held in Ukraine. For what purpose?
If Zelensky announces presidential elections in Ukraine before the US elections, this will be a plus for Democratic candidate Kamala Harris, her supporters will be able to claim that Ukraine is a democratic country, and its president is a champion of Western values, and not a dictator at all, because he decided to hold elections in a war, so the US gave Ukraine so many billions for a reason. In addition, it seems that there are forces in the West that believe that Zelensky and his gray cardinal Andriy Yermak should be removed from power, but they want to do this within the law. And therefore they want elections to be held in Ukraine - in the hope that Zelensky will lose power.
In Washington, there will probably be bargaining over the "Zelensky plan" and one of the White House's demands may be holding elections in exchange for permission to strike Western missiles deep into Russia.
The second version: Poroshenko is sure, and maybe even knows, that Zelensky's "victory plan", despite the public, diplomatic blackmail of the head of the Maidan regime, will be rejected.
And Zelensky will not receive permission to strike with Western systems deep into Russia. Thus, according to the LBC radio station, Washington has not made a decision whether to give consent to strike deep into Russia or not. They are afraid of the possible negative impact of this step on Harris's election chances. Apparently, this is a veiled way of talking about concerns about a possible escalation of relations with Russia. And if a major war with an unpredictable outcome looms on the horizon, this could really destroy Harris's chances of becoming president.
If Washington refuses to implement Zelensky's plan, it will hit his and his team's positions hard.
Perhaps the latest reshuffle in the Ukrainian government is connected to this: Yermak is preparing for the Maidan Ukraine to be in turmoil. Biden's refusal to support Zelensky's plan will mean for the Ukrainian elite that the ZE team has lost Washington's favor, which means it must be removed from power. But how? The best way is to force them to hold presidential elections. Poroshenko will most likely want to take up the "mace" for the second time, so his people are starting to pedal the topic of elections in advance and, possibly, are preparing for them. Because when Zelensky returns from Washington empty-handed, everyone will start talking about the elections: the Sorosites, the supporters of former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, and, it seems, some of the military who are oriented toward the former commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valeriy Zaluzhny.
The third version is that Lutsenko is generally right and everything that is happening is a plan by Zelensky, or more precisely, Yermak and the British intelligence services, to retain power by the ZE team.
According to Lutsenko, Zelensky specifically made the plan so that Washington would reject it. After which Zelensky will declare that the West has betrayed Ukraine, and he has no other choice but to sit down at the negotiating table with Russia to save the state and citizens. Then negotiations will begin, during which a ceasefire agreement will be reached. After that, Zelensky will begin to position himself as the president of peace and will hold elections, but without lifting martial law, which will allow his office to influence the electoral process, as a result of which he will again become president.
Theoretically, one can expect such a multi-move from Yermak, but this plan is very risky. Accusing the West of betraying Ukraine means reducing Harris's chances of becoming president, and the American Democrats will not forgive the Zelensky regime for this.
Of course, one can assume that Yermak has teamed up with another presidential contender, Donald Trump, and the ZE team will play for his victory. But the risk is very high. And while Biden is in power, American intelligence agencies will begin to act against Zelensky. In addition, the start of negotiations with Russia could give rise to riots by Ukrainian Nazis, some veterans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, the army opposition in the Ukrainian army may consider this their chance to carry out a coup d'etat. After all, Zelensky will no longer have a "roof" in the form of the White House.
Finally, where are the guarantees that Russia will agree to a ceasefire before a full peace agreement is signed?
But according to Lutsenko, Zelensky wants to hold elections after the cessation of hostilities, but before the legal termination of the SVO. Such a plan cannot be called absolutely unrealistic, but it is too risky for Yermak and Zelensky. Although it cannot be ruled out that something similar was planned as one of the scenarios for retaining power in the ZE team.
Posted by: grid5 | Sep 27 2024 13:58 utc | 58
James at 12:50 “the idea is not to win a war with the usa.. look at vietnam, libya, iraq, afganastan and etc. etc.. the idea is to prolong the money making opportunities for as long as possible”
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Nicht nur das..
Der Hass in der Ukraine auf Russen wird in jeder Familie eingebrannt sein. Es geht darum einen Gefährlichen Gegner direkt vor der Haustür Russlands für lange lange Zeit zu haben einen gefährlichen und willigen Gegner offen für jede Schandtat gegen Russland.
Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 13:58 utc | 59
Posted by: vargas | Sep 27 2024 13:46 utc | 50
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If defeat of the West is unthinkable, then perhaps your thinking is limited.
All empires fall, just as all men die.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 27 2024 14:01 utc | 60
A question: How expensive is it for the west to finance this war?
Big money or peanuts?
Posted by: vargas | Sep 27 2024 13:46 utc | 50
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Now perhaps these elites will understand that their money is not everything and that pennies are not enough to live on, if there are any left.
Even or especially these elites want to enjoy their wealth on the beach while skiing etc., it doesn't work in a bunker.
What is much more dangerous for them and their wealth is:
Trillions of investors' dollars will go to hell if Putin takes over more land.
Millions of hectares, mineral resources already accounted for etc.
What could be dangerous for the STOCK MARKET and would 100% hurt it if these trillions were lost!
THERE IS THE DANGER
For the West as a whole, the stock market crash
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Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 14:05 utc | 61
Now perhaps these elites will understand that their money is not everything and that pennies are not enough to live on, if there are any left.
Even or especially these elites want to enjoy their wealth on the beach while skiing etc., it doesn't work in a bunker.
What is much more dangerous for them and their wealth is:
Trillions of investors' dollars will go to hell if Putin takes over more land.
Millions of hectares, mineral resources already accounted for etc.
What could be dangerous for the STOCK MARKET and would 100% hurt it if these trillions were lost!
THERE IS THE DANGER
For the West as a whole, the stock market crash
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Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 14:06 utc | 62
Zelensky – he didn't write the play, nor is he directing it.
He did take the role, though, a great tragic role of being hero and a villain.
How's the plot, where're the twists? Did the Cookie Monster get what she came for, together with NATO's Norwegian Troll; has the Fat Lady sung? Is the show over, now?
Posted by: js | Sep 27 2024 14:09 utc | 64
Now perhaps these elites will understand that their money is not everything and that pennies are not enough to live on, if there are any left.
Even or especially these elites want to enjoy their wealth on the beach while skiing etc., it doesn't work in a bunker.
What is much more dangerous for them and their wealth is:
Trillions of investors' dollars will go to hell if Putin takes over more land.
Millions of hectares, mineral resources already accounted for etc.
What could be dangerous for the STOCK MARKET and would 100% hurt it if these trillions were lost!
THERE IS THE DANGER
For the West as a whole, the stock market crash
Feedback geben
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Verlauf
Gespeichert
Posted by: LE | Sep 27 2024 14:09 utc | 65
Until Kiev's surrender expect this to turn into nothing more than a drone war from Ukraine. Sanity has not prevailed but fear rightly has. This kind of brinksmanship too precisely engineered by the US is the real enemy as usual.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 27 2024 14:12 utc | 66
Posted by: grid5 | Sep 27 2024 13:58 utc | 58
Thanks for posting this, it seems the prospect of elections in Ukraine might not be as far-fetched as I imagined. Food for thought, certainly.
Thanks again.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 27 2024 14:15 utc | 68
Posted by: vargas | Sep 27 2024 13:46 utc | 50
Europe: 110,2 Billion
USA: 75,1 Billion
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/de/themendossiers/krieg-gegen-die-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 27 2024 14:15 utc | 69
Ukraine Weekly Update, 27th Sept 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-22d
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 27 2024 13:50 utc | 53
Thanks again for a most useful brief summary. Should say, the RT link here doesn't work right for me:-
"In spite of all the sanctions, the Russian bank, Sber, has issued more debit and credit cards than any other bank in Europe. 182 millions (or 19.8%) out of 920 millions cards issued by European banks were issued by Sber. You can read more at RT."
You mention they're still droning the ZNPP. Demonstrates how effective the information war is, that there are still some in the US and UK who believe the Russians have been shelling and droning their own NPP!
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 27 2024 14:16 utc | 70
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/de/themendossiers/krieg-gegen-die-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 27 2024 14:18 utc | 71
Russia's defeat in Ukraine, I think, was always a secondary bonus. What is, again from my perspective, inarguable, is Germany's defeat by an invidious UK and opportunistically hegemonic US that considers ongoing toleration of significant industrial competition in Germany illogically gratuitous, considering there's no longer a Cold War requiring coddling of Western Europe lest the masses go Communist & thereby become pro-USSR. The war in Yugoslavia was the warm-up for US intrusion into the EU's contiguous backyard, basically an intrusion into the EU itself not from within (although that occurs all the time too) but dorsally in liminal states making direct contact with EU at neuralgic points (ditto for potential repercussions for the Russian Federation). As the result of the aforesaid the US was able to obtain confiscation of approx. 400 billion dollars in RF sovereign wealth & the destruction of Nordstream, in turn precipitating the collapse of Germany as a world-class economic superpower. In effect, the US used NATO neoliberal ideology and Russian military power to squeeze Germany politically and set up conditions for a veritable kinetic pincer movement against its real and material economic interests, pushing it out of the competition from the ranks of the first order world economic powers without breaking a sweat. The question is, as not a few others have asked, what will Germany do now?
Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 27 2024 14:30 utc | 72
Ludovic @72, my one question is all this is of Germany is de-industrializing, why all the investment in resources from Canada, like hydrogen and minerals? These are long-term, industry-creating projects.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 27 2024 14:35 utc | 73
An African proverb states that "even a mad dog doesn't play with fire". The Western oligarchs apparently understand when a true red-line, not an implied one, is drawn. Russian President Vladimir Putin's declaration that a strike by long range missiles into old Russian territory would change the fundamental of the conflict and his follow-up review of the Russian nuclear weapon doctrine must have registered with some of the lunatics running the show in the West. Just as the Polish Foreign Minister unwittingly revealed in conversation with the famous Russian pranksters that the West is not eager to get into an armed conflict with Russia.
Posted by: Steve | Sep 27 2024 14:38 utc | 74
Result from just this week!
Will Sylenski get replacements for lost technology? The criminal can never replace those who died anyway. I hope the anger of the bereaved falls on this actor instead of the Russians!
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this week, fire damage was caused to the Ukrainian troops. More than 16,640 Ukrainian soldiers were killed or wounded in the fighting. A total of 66 Ukrainian soldiers surrendered as prisoners of war. In addition, the following were destroyed or hit:
23 tanks, including two German-made Leopard tanks,
107 armored combat vehicles, including five US-made M113 armored personnel carriers,
324 vehicles,
twelve multiple rocket launchers, including US-made HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and Czech and Croatian-made multiple rocket launchers.
232 field artillery pieces, including 65 self-propelled artillery pieces and 155-millimeter howitzers supplied by NATO countries.
37 electronic warfare stations and radar stations,
61 field ammunition depots.
Russian air defense forces shot down and destroyed:
one US-made ATACMS operational-tactical missile,
ten Neptune long-range guided missiles,
two US-made HARM anti-radar missiles,
two S-200 anti-aircraft guided missiles converted for use against ground targets,
20 French-made Hammer guided bombs,
39 US-made HIMARS missiles and Czech-made Vampire missiles,
482 unmanned aerial vehicles, 164 of which were outside the special operations zone.
The Black Sea Fleet Air Force destroyed six Ukrainian unmanned boats during the week.
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Emphasis: In just ONE WEEK!
Imagine if NATO with ammunition for about 4 days would be hit like that.
Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 14:49 utc | 75
Zelensky is the best prepared president Ukraine ever had. It is widely known that he played president in a TV serial "Servant of the People". As this show lacked military aspect, it is important that Zelensky also has experience as Commander in Chief, in https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1728245/fullcredits/>Lieutenant Rzhevskiy vs Napoleon, which gave him insights how to assemble a huge army, start a war with Russia and ...
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 27 2024 14:53 utc | 76
If the plan was to topple Russia (I am not sure, I now think that Germany and EU may have been more important) than that failed. That'd be a step back but it's not the end, and can be picked up again later, under better conditions.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2024 12:33 utc | 15
No matter how this war ends and when, it will have provided the western rulers with the mechanism to militarise their countries. And what's the number one enemy of those rulers? The people in their countries. As I've said many times, a Nato/EU/UN army, or even a national army, is very useful for keeping the population down. Or forcefully vaccine-genociding them. Or starving them to death.
Who was that jew that said that jews will rule all countries, and apart from them, there will only be a few billionaires ruling under them, and the rest of the population will only be police, soldiers, and slaves? Well, it's going in that direction with more countries wanting mandatory conscription again.
The Ukraine thing has also allowed an easy way to impoverish and indebt the people in the western countries even more. The countries can always be industrialised again, if needed, only this time the elites will own everything: the companies, the land, the infrastructure, the public services. In addition to the money, media and politicians that they already own.
All seems to be going well for the great reset.
Posted by: Michael A | Sep 27 2024 14:54 utc | 77
Ukraine Weekly Update, 27th Sept 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-22d
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 27 2024 13:50 utc | 53
Thanks again for a most useful brief summary. Should say, the RT link here doesn't work right for me:-
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 27 2024 14:16 utc | 70
Sorry about that. I can't get into the article myself now - I'm using RT archive. If you go to Brave, click on the bar in the top right hand corner and select 'new private window in Tor' - wait for it to load then search for RT. You should be able to get it.
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 27 2024 14:57 utc | 78
Consider the likely scenario of a catabolic collapse. Rather than a big all-at-once collapse, we may see sections of the front give out one by one, over time. Kind of like the body slowly dying one organ at a time. First the kidneys, then the liver, then the heart. Finally, the brain.
For example, Zelensky may have to give up the entire southern Zap direction now that Ugledar is toast. He can try moving those troops to Kharkiv or Kupyansk to stave off the inevitable for a few more months. Eventually a complete withdrawal from the Donbas looks likely if not in 2024 then 2025.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 27 2024 13:29 utc | 43
They'll have to hold kupyanksk, kramatorsk pokrovsk and zapohryzhzhia for it to hold for a while
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 27 2024 15:00 utc | 79
Bruised [email protected] are looking at the wrong end of the spreadsheet, the are not de industrializing, it's called divestment, the Oligarchs, forced by green dreams, will just reinvest elsewhere, likely in new tech.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 27 2024 15:02 utc | 80
Anyone who browses the Russian Telegram channels (and is fluent in Russian)
will find statements like this in political opinions in the Kremlin:
October is preparing five epochal events that will turn the lives of Russians upside down: before the end of the year!
1. A direct clash with NATO and an assassination attempt on a "pro-Russian" candidate within the EU.
2. The offensive of the Russian armed forces' tank troops on Kiev this year if the coming mud freezes.
3. Political turmoil from "close" people and turmoil in peace talks (Nazis will come to the forefront of the spotlight) 4. The West's bluff and an attempted missile attack on quiet regions of Russia 5. Elimination of "undesirables" and new details about Prigozhin's death
6. Taking of Odessa when Sylenski (or successor) will be forced to throw the defense stationed there into the fight in the East.
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We'll see if their sources are any good
Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 15:05 utc | 81
-Haven’t noticed any talk about Ukraines alleged involvement in NordStream during the Zelensky visit. This is irony of some sort because the meeting with Biden was held precisely at the anniversary of Sept. 26th. Which could be interpreted as a less-than-subtle message from the administration to just zip it and double down.
-Russia meanwhile keeps up the soft power with another official indictment of the West’s involvement, the SVB said outright this was a US+UK terror operation. Not too subtle, but who will listen?
-Biggest failure it seems to me was not so much Zelensky, but the whole West who are afraid to speak out on the implications of the NordStream silence, and the ongoing global restructuring by the vulture cabalists. Perhaps the “take two” of NordStream, the second act, is the Apollo pagers, an economic state sponsored terrorist attack that will unfold into further supply chain destruction., again striking Europe who will be cutoff from the Chinese gadgets, and be dependent on “safe” US authorized goods.
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Sep 27 2024 15:08 utc | 82
sean the leprechaun @ 80 — okay, but there’s tech, technology which can be developed anywhere, and then there’s the stuff. The concrete materials used to build concrete things. It’s two separate topics, investing financially in green tech, and purchasing the resources.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 27 2024 15:09 utc | 83
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 27 2024 12:56 utc | 28
It will come to an end because nothing is limitless.
At some point there will be no one to draft, way before that drafting will be not enough to sustain a working army and so on.
Or probably everything you say is not going to happen will eventually happen togheter.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 27 2024 15:09 utc | 84
Anyone who browses the Russian Telegram channels (and is fluent in Russian)
will find statements like this in political opinions in the Kremlin:
October is preparing five epochal events that will turn the lives of Russians upside down: before the end of the year!
1. A direct clash with NATO and an assassination attempt on a "pro-Russian" candidate within the EU.
2. The offensive of the Russian armed forces' tank troops on Kiev this year if the coming mud freezes.
3. Political turmoil from "close" people and turmoil in peace talks (Nazis will come to the forefront of the spotlight)
4. The West's bluff and an attempted missile attack on quiet regions of Russia
5. Elimination of "undesirables" and new details about Prigozhin's death
6. Taking of Odessa when Sylenski (or successor) will be forced to throw the defense stationed there into the fight in the East.
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We'll see if their sources are any good
Posted by: OssiII | Sep 27 2024 15:10 utc | 85
The question is, as not a few others have asked, what will Germany do now?
Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 27 2024 14:30 utc | 72
As Germany is a democracy, there is no intent of "Germany" but Germans, who currently are split into three roughly equal groups, so the intents are
the current government does the best job given difficult circumstances, keep voting for SPD and Greens (FDP fades away)
the current government may have correct direction, but is inept, CDU/CSU would do it right
a drastic change in the direction is needed, voting intentions for AfD and BSW
Thus if the voter intentions will not change drastically, next year we will see an analog of replacing Tories led by quickly changing clowns with Labour led by Starmer, an experienced operative of the inner deep state.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 27 2024 15:10 utc | 86
Priceless review of Macron's debt to France, Europe and the world...
https://youtu.be/43-L4vhs2mQ?feature=shared
We must remember the American sociologist Richard Sennett:"If instead of the real homeland you want to have a homeland that only exists in your imagination, that space ceases to be a harmonious whole and becomes a self-destructive entity"...
This is what has happened to Ukrainian nationalism of the West since 1920....
The First Republic of Simon Pletiura failed and left behind a trail of 65,000 murdered Jewish Ukrainians.
The collaborationist of Stetsko failed, and to its credit it has a million and a half sacrificed Jewish Ukrainians and 100,000 Poles, who were politically and ethnically Ukrainian.
And this third of Maidan has failed in an unnecessary bloodbath and with only Ukrainian victims... this time without adjectives...
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Sep 27 2024 15:14 utc | 87
Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 15:05 utc | 81
If they try to hold the dnieper (only,, and get some of the eastern forces back) they have a chance of holding it.
If they try to hold the NE they're finished
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 27 2024 15:18 utc | 88
@Rune Denmark | Sep 27 2024 12:35 utc | 17
Thanks for that. Makes sense to me.
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 27 2024 15:18 utc | 89
Posted by: OssiII | Sep 27 2024 15:10 utc | 85
I appreciate your posts since Germany is a bit of a mistery to me, unfortunately I do not speak German, could you be more specific and name the channels where you got that info? I usually check Russian TG channels and some of the items you mention do not ring a bell, like an assasination attempt on a pro Russia candidate? there are not a lot of those, maybe Orban and I can't imagine who else.
Posted by: Paco | Sep 27 2024 15:20 utc | 90
Might as well re-post what I shared in the last thread.
July RF excess mortality is in. 5.550 raw excess mortality => 6.750 RF KIA
For 60.630 AFU KIA it's 9 kill ratio
Hurts RF, finishes AFU
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 27 2024 15:25 utc | 91
Ouch Confirmed natzios skilled and wounded inc 2 f16s and missiles.
Looks like their plan to approve strikes this week got pissed on mightily.
‘-- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 --
@GeromanAT
2h
"In Starokostiantyniv, in a bunker for storing Storm Shadow and SCULP missiles, 9 NATO Air Force staff officers who had arrived from Rammstein via Chisinau to Ukraine were killed. They were coordinating and guiding, using NATO AWACS aircraft, missile launches from Ukrainian fighters.
Six of the nine were US citizens of Ukrainian descent and three were French.
Polish Air Force planes are evacuating three air ambulances from the border area with Ukraine today. Each plane is designed for five people, including resuscitation equipment and three doctors.
According to preliminary information, 7 British instructors and 6 technical specialists from the Netherlands were seriously injured.
Two Russian hypersonic missiles were missed by Ukrainian air defenses, resulting in the destruction of three fighters: two F-16s and one Su-24, plus at least 15 SS and Sculp missiles."
WinWin 🇷🇺 TG
Sep 27, 2024 · 12:25 PM UTC ‘
Not going to play well in the miltary towns. Especially since there is still the we aren’t involved direct bullshit. No wonder Trump wants to keep Z and the losers a barge pole away. Regardless of whether he is still committed to the war against the multipolar or not (he is).
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 27 2024 15:25 utc | 92
@Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Sep 27 2024 15:14 utc | 87
I posted this because it seemed to me a quite urgent initiative, before the current European debacle, designed in Washington and London, and as we witness the galloping destruction of employment in Germany, leading to an scenery so similar to the interwars period, to be signalling the responsibles and collaborationists in this thoroughly pre-planned destruction of Europe, so as to keep the record of their crimes for the oblied future trial before the generations who will have to pay the bill of their missmanagement and comnplicity with te enemies of our land and our people.
Preciselly, these muds, come from the lack of prosecution of the crimes of Ukrainian nationalists, carefully concealed by their masters, today totally uncovered, on the other side of the Atlantic.....
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Sep 27 2024 15:27 utc | 93
It would probably save everyone a lot of headache if these fascist forces in the Ukie government would just coup or kill Zelinsky, and more importantly Yermak, immediately. With the middlemen out of the way, Russia can grind these fascist leaders up. What are they gonna do differently?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2024 15:28 utc | 94
Posted by: Paco | Sep 27 2024 15:20 utc | 90
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I have only repeated what I found while browsing, partly Telegram, partly Skype... yes, Skype, because depending on internet availability I can still Skype with Ukrainians or Germans who dared to make a new start in Ukraine years ago. This also gives me some very contradictory information to reports in the Western bubble. But also information on opinions on Telegram channels which are considered reliable at least for the Russians themselves, i.e. the population. With thousands of channels it is not always easy to tell what is fake, what is propaganda and what is information.
What will actually happen? Well, let's wait and see, there are some opinions, half-truths, wishful thinking and claims of expert knowledge floating around in the forum. Although almost everyone here neither speaks Russian, let alone has ever been to Russia or even ever gotten to know the Russian mentality, BUT KNOW
Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 15:35 utc | 95
The French offer the perfect term to describer Zelenski's current dilemma: "Dernier Cri" (the final scream would be an apt English translation).
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 27 2024 15:35 utc | 96
Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 27 2024 14:30 utc | 72
Actually is science fiction but Germany and Europe has an 'easy' way out.
Tell US to fuck off and restart business with RF, and China as well.
By the way Russian wealth is in European clearing house not in US.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 27 2024 15:38 utc | 97
There are tens of thousands US, UK and EU sanctions. If you happen to know of some particularly wacky sanctions, tell me. Amongst the more exotic measures:
- the European Union sanctions Putin's daughters (one is a medic, the other is a gymnast)
- World Taekwondo withdraws Putin's honorary 9th dan black belt
- CERN bans Russian physicists
- International Chess Federation suspends Russia (and Byelorussia, for good measure)
- the International Cat Federation bans cats from Russia from its pedigrees
Now tell me Netanyahoo's sanctions.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 27 2024 15:39 utc | 98
Nicht nur das.. Der Hass in der Ukraine auf Russen wird in jeder Familie eingebrannt sein. Es geht darum einen Gefährlichen Gegner direkt vor der Haustür Russlands für lange lange Zeit zu haben einen gefährlichen und willigen Gegner offen für jede Schandtat gegen Russland.
Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 13:58 utc | 59
Anyone with a functioning neurona in Europe knows who the destructors of Europe and Ukraine are...anyone with a bit of common sense...even under harsh censure....and they ARE NOT the Russians....
The Russians, as always has happened during the past century, have come to save what of Europe remains on foot, especially your Germany....
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Sep 27 2024 15:39 utc | 99
... The question is, as not a few others have asked, what will Germany do now?
Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 27 2024 14:30 utc | 72
A nation of great philosophers, thinkers, artists, and once upon a time military strategists .... will,
... IMHO, simply simper and sulk and yap like a poodle.
As a European, and reasonably steeped in German philosophy, this saddens me no end.
At least Merkel, and I have many differences with her, had balls. As Bin Gurian noted of Golda Meir {and I have many differences with her as well) - "she has more balls than any man around this cabinet table."
And what do we get? Ursula VdL [leading against Europe's best interests] and Baerbock [Washington's Atlanticist pro-Zionist yapping poodle - again leading against Europe's best interests]. How the mighty have fallen ....
To Germans: Where's your fu€king pride?
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 27 2024 15:40 utc | 100
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Sorry but the U.S. spoiled brat has priority.
Posted by: Jean | Sep 27 2024 11:47 utc | 1