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September 16, 2024
West Experiences Blowback From Fostering Fascists In Ukraine

At the start of the Special Military Operation in February 2022 I warned of the blowback that, I asserted, would likely come if the West continued to pamper Nazi groups in Ukraine:

The U.S. aim is to create an insurgency in the Ukraine.

The Coming Ukrainian InsurgencyForeign Affairs
Russia’s Invasion Could Unleash Forces the Kremlin Can’t Control

Since 2015 the CIA has trained Ukrainian groups for exactly that purpose.

CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invadesYahoo

CIA support for Ukrainian Nazis has a long history.

Op-Ed: The CIA has backed Ukrainian insurgents before. Let’s learn from those mistakesLA Times

A new Nazi insurgency in eastern Europe is an exceptionally bad idea. Fascist groups from everywhere would join in. A few years from now it may well lead to Nazi terror in many European countries. Have we learned really nothing from the war on Syria and the ISIS campaign?

Me and Ivan Katchanovski were probably the only ones who had warned of this:

Katchanovski adds that, “This is also going to have a dangerous effect on Ukraine and potentially other countries because now, basically, Nazis in Ukraine are made into national heroes.” He also noted that Azov (as well as Western governments) has consistently pressured Zelensky — including with threats, and even before Russia invaded — not to seek a peace deal with Russia or withdraw forces from the Donbas region. In February, Azov branded Zelensky a “servant of the Russian people” after he suggested that he might negotiate with Moscow.

Katchanovski said that the valorization of the Azov Regiment is comparable to how the West initially supported the predecessors of the Taliban in their fight against the Soviet Union’s intervention in the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and also risks inspiring yet more far-right activists from other countries to join the conflict in Ukraine in order to gain military experience, potentially causing a blowback effect if they make it home.

Yesterday one avid U.S. supporter of the fascists in Ukraine tried to assassinate the Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump:

Jack Poso 🇺🇸 @JackPosobiec – 1:39 UTC · Sep 16, 2024

EXCLUSIVE: Attempted Trump assassin Ryan Routh appeared in a propaganda video for the AZOV BATTALLION in May 2022
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Routh, himself being too old to fight, had tried to hire foreign mercenaries to fight on the fascist side in Ukraine. He obviously targeted Trump because he had promised to dictate an end to the war in Ukraine.

Was Routh more than a lone wolf in this?

Edward Snowden @Snowden – 23:27 UTC · Sep 15, 2024

We know little so far, but w alleged Trump shooter's personal and public participation in military activity in Ukraine, it is hard to imagine this White House's agencies can claim zero contact—"clean hands." Something of an Oswald vibe, here. Congress should get answers.
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As more people start to think about potential ways to end the war in Ukraine the far-right in Ukraine is threatening to use violence to prevent that:

SIMPLICIUS Ѱ @simpatico771 – 18:13 UTC · Sep 15, 2024

⚡️🇺🇦Ukraine's most feared drone warlord threatens Zelensky:

A serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the call sign "Madyar" openly and "without drama" threatens the Ukrainian government.

According to him, if someone negotiates with the Russian Federation "not in the interests of the Ukrainian people", then a million fighters will return from the front and overthrow such a government.
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The Washington Post tries to explain the issue:

‘Sprinkled with our blood’: Why so many Ukrainians resist land for peace
Ukraine is under pressure to cut a deal to end the war, especially if Trump wins, but there is likely to be fierce opposition from some soldiers and their families in the east.

It turns out that the 'so many' Ukrainians are not so many but a small radical minority that is willing to use force against politicians who want to take the necessary steps to make peace:

Polling, however, shows that Ukrainians are not ready to give up their land, especially among those soldiers in Donbas who have been fighting for it for the past 10 years.

[W]hile only 7 percent said they would join an armed protest in case of territorial concessions, that number more than doubled among soldiers and veterans — including those who have been fighting for the past decade, who have seen Russian forces raze the Ukrainian cities they capture to the ground, and who are now grappling with the prospect of losing their long-contested homeland.

The Post cites only few named sources in support of its thesis:

Vitaliy Barabash, the head of Avdiivka’s military administration, has been fighting Russia since 2014. The city was finally captured by Russia this winter after a decade of fighting.

He does not believe that Zelensky would sign a peace deal that would “abandon” Donbas — and said that it would be a “stupid mistake” to reason with Moscow. “Most people are hopefully that we will return to Avdiivka. They are ready to live in tents and rebuild this city.”

The report does not mention that Vitaliy Barabash, who is Jewish, was one of those who fought, and lost, with the fascist Azov battalion in Mariupol:

A Jewish Ukrainian soldier in the besieged Azovstal plant in Mariupol called on Israel on Wednesday night to intervene to save the garrison.

In a Facebook video posted by Jewish Kyiv-based entrepreneur and activist Ilgam Gasanov, Vitaliy Barabash said in Ukrainian, “It’s hard for me to speak, so my speech for me will be said by my brother, on behalf of all Ukrainian Jews who are together with me here.”

Barabash, also known as Benya, held a Ukrainian flag up to the camera as his friend read his statement, a Star of David tattoo clearly visible on Barabash’s hand.

Members of Azov and other 'nationalist' groupings in Ukraine are now experienced fighters. The have the means to fight as there are lots of Ukrainian weapons in unaccountable hands (machine translation):

Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Russia in Ukraine, more than 270,945 weapons have disappeared or been stolen.

In less than 2024, more weapons were stolen or lost than in the whole of last year – 78,217 units. At the same time, it is 4 times more than before the start of a full-scale war.

These weapons can be easily smuggled into Europe to target any politician who dares to pressure Ukraine into accepting an end of the war.

The attempted assassination of Trump is only one of the first of such incidents. (The motives for the assassination attempt against the Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico are still unknown.)

Many such incidents, predominantly in Europe, are likely to follow.

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This report from the FT explains how the threat of Ukrainian terror effectively blackmails the EU

EU plans to raise up to €40bn in loans for Ukraine without US
Brussels drafts alternative funding solution to circumvent a Hungary veto on extending the freezing of Russian assets

The EU is preparing to provide up to €40bn in new loans for Ukraine by the end of the year regardless of US participation, after a G7 plan to use frozen Russian assets to aid Kyiv faltered.
The unilateral push comes amid concern in Brussels that Hungary will prevent the bloc from delivering safeguards that the US needs for it to participate in the frozen asset scheme, according to three people involved in the talks.
The government of Viktor Orbán, the EU’s most pro-Russia leader, has sought to delay a decision on the frozen assets scheme until after the US presidential election on November 5.
But Brussels must start work on any alternative within the next few weeks since such a move would rely on powers that expire at the end of the year.
The funds are intended to aid the financial stability of Ukraine, which faces a $38bn financing gap in 2025, according to Kyiv and the IMF. The country relies on foreign aid to keep functioning as Russia steps up attacks on its infrastructure.
continues ==> https://www.ft.com/content/0684416f-58c6-4c76-ae54-140d34e30f67

“The funds are intended to aid the financial stability of Ukraine”. Said otherwise, the funds are intended to stem the flow of refugees.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 17 2024 0:46 utc | 301

RT reports Kazakh President Tokayev today told Scholz ““it is a fact that in military terms Russia is invincible.” And “Further escalation of the war will lead to irreversible consequences for the entire of mankind, and, first of all, all the countries that are directly involved in the Russo-Ukrainian conflict.” Tokayev suggested the Chinese-Brazilian peace plan is reasonable and worth pursuing. However, Zelensky “dismissed Beijing and Brasilia’s joint six-point peace roadmap as ‘destructive,’ accusing the two nations of siding with Russia. The plan emphasized ‘dialogue and negotiation’ as the only ‘viable way out of the crisis.'”
IMO, it’s very clear to Zelensky that he’s a dead man if he attempts to negotiate, meaning as soon as he declares his ukaz forbidding negotiations no longer valid he’ll become a target. NATO’s Nazis will become the next government and will likely be Ukraine’s last. IMO, Tokayev voiced something no major leader has had the guts to say publicly. Too bad what he said won’t be reported by Western media.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2024 0:48 utc | 302

karlof1 | Sep 17 2024 0:48 utc | 299
I saw that. Interesting that he had a meeting the Scholz. There has been a few hints, especially since the elections that the mood in Germany is changing.
Though on the other side of the coin, Germany is running freedom to provoke transits through the Taiwan Strait.
Germany is still under the terms of its surrender to the US in 1945, so with the Taiwan provocations Scholtz’s change on war with Russia may have more to do with orders from the US rather than the changing mood in Germany.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 0:56 utc | 303

Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 0:29 utc | 294
You missed my smiley point re “safe link”! Peter previously got stung/corrupted by some virusy link. That’s why I always explain the context and content of any link I might post. Clicking on some unexplained link by some unknown, untrustworthy, suss poster on a site like MoA is the pinnacle of idiocy, curiosity, FOMO syndrome, imo.
Otoh, I do appreciate your wariness of link-tracking, particularly in the US, with its hyper-surveilence agencies. But most citizens outside of the US (I’m Aust) are not so paranoid. Personally, I avoid all super radical sites, kiddie porn, and never search for “How to Make a Bomb” 🙂 🙂 🙂
Funnily, after visiting a particular UK site, I was once contacted by email by a bunch of anarchists inviting me to participate in helping them sabotage energy infrastructure (in the US!!!). I did reply — “Sorry, but you have a case of mistaken identity. I am a 14 year old Norwegian school girl who has no intention of spending my life in prison”. Never heard back, nor got any knocks on the door!

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 17 2024 1:02 utc | 304

The reason UK going nuts over deep strikes could be Odessa. They fear loosing it. Jewel in the crown.

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 1:03 utc | 305

Jake Blanchard @ 285:
De facto dictator Zippy may have learned nothing from his grandfather Semyon Zelensky’s experience as an infantry man (while still a teenager; Semyon would have turned 100 years old this year were he still alive) and then a colonel fighting with the Soviet Army during World War II. Poppy could have told young Zippy about how all the Soviet peoples (Russians, Ukrainians, Tatars and others) resisted Nazi German invasion, and how so many soldiers and civilians died or gave up their lives willingly in resisting.
More likely though, Zippy’s memory is selective when it suits him. He is cunning in a streetwise way, that is certain, looking out for No 1 and enriching himself along the way, but he is not necessarily wise or capable of insight into his behaviour and actions. He probably is aware of Russian capabilities and what the Russians are likely to do to him if ever he were captured, but at the same time is in denial of these facts and possibilities. Being surrounded by yes-people catering to his and his wife’s whims does not help either of these deluded individuals.
If Zippy knew what was good for him, he’d realise the safest place for him to be is in the inside of a Russian prison cell in solitary confinement somewhere in the remote parts of Siberia or the Russian Far East. Even if he were to escape to Florida and live in a comfortable gated community with his fellow Ukrainian exiles, there’s a risk someone (under orders of the CIA or some remnant of the SBU or Azov Battalion) could find him and kill him.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 17 2024 1:03 utc | 306

Jake Blanchard | Sep 17 2024 1:02 utc | 301
Those types are small timers, common crims. Easy enough to keep out. I use a laptop but plugged into the mains without the battery. On the very rare occasion something does get through my basic stuff, its just a matter of hitting the power switch on the wall. That’s all it takes to prevent the computer being infected by small time scammers or hackers or whatever.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 1:10 utc | 307

gnosis
Very clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEszja9BDYo

Posted by: Paspas | Sep 17 2024 1:11 utc | 308

@Peter AU1 | Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:56:00 GMT | 300

Germany is still under the terms of its surrender to the US in 1945,

No, it’s not. Those terms ended, de jure, in 1955. Germany codified in its constitution when it can use force:

Article 115c
[Extension of the legislative powers of the Federation]
(1) The Federation shall have the right to legislate concurrently for a state of defence even with respect to matters within the legislative powers of the Länder. Such laws shall require the consent of the Bundesrat.
(2) To the extent required by circumstances during a state of defence, a federal law for a state of defence may:
1. make temporary provisions concerning compensation in the event of expropriation that deviate from the requirements of the second sentence of paragraph (3) of Article 14;
2. establish a time limit for deprivations of freedom different from that specified in the third sentence of paragraph (2) and the first sentence of paragraph (3) of Article 104, but not exceeding four days, for cases in which no judge has been able to act within the time limit that normally applies.
(3) To the extent necessary to repel an existing or imminently threatened attack, a federal law for a state of defence may, with the consent of the Bundesrat, regulate the administration and finances of the Federation and the Länder without regard to Titles VIII, VIIIa and X of this Basic Law, provided that the viability of the Länder, municipalities, and associations of municipalities, especially with respect to financial matters, is assured.
(4) Federal laws enacted pursuant to paragraph (1) or item 1 of paragraph (2) of this Article may, for the purpose of preparing for their enforcement, be applied even before a state of defence arises.

So Germany doesn’t need American permission to do what it wants with its armed forces, in a de jure sense. However, de facto, yes Germany relies heavily on the US for its defense and security, and probably will not do anything without implicit American approval first. But they are not bound by law or treaty to do so.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 17 2024 1:14 utc | 309

Jake, just a bit more to my previous, Virtually all here if the post something that interest me and provide a link, I simply click on it, not and issue.
Then there is the the likes of the piece of fairy floss I recently upset that has gone into a world of its own…..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 1:15 utc | 310

Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 1:10 utc | 304
Ah yes, but do you have a peep hole through the front door, chain locked and booby trapped, with a grab bag ready to escape out the window if The Feds come knocking, like Mel Gibson’s “Conspiracy Theory” movie?!?! Some of the folks round here remind me of such characters. Lol.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 17 2024 1:26 utc | 311

Imagine the terror and dilemma of a nazi in Odessa. He looks at the docile man passing by thinking is he the one that turn to a vicious lion at the right time and tear me apart
Then looks at the river thinking where are they going to make the crossing.
Looks up wondering air drops?
Then looks at Transnistria,how many going to come from there
Potential death all around. He must be planning escape routes, all the while justifying to himself it is better to be alive to fight another day

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 1:27 utc | 312

“The U.S. aim is to create an insurgency in the Ukraine.”
In addition to blowback, the problem with this sentiment that the US will run into, if it is their aim to “create” an insurgency, is that viable insurgencies aren’t created by foreign/external forces. They have to be homegrown, and evolve naturally from real grievances. Yes, they can be sponsored from abroad, and sent cash and weapons, but the people doing the fighting have to be indigenous. Otherwise, it will fall apart.
I don’t foresee Russian-speaking eastern and southern Ukrainians fighting an insurgency against Russia. Maybe western Ukraine might, but I don’t think, barring a complete collapse of Ukraine’s government, that Russia will push further west. Even then, I don’t think they would keep a serious troop presence there. Install a puppet, and withdraw to annexed Russian lands is more likely.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 17 2024 1:28 utc | 313

James M. | Sep 17 2024 1:14 utc | 306
I don’t see anything there that fully releases Germany from the terms of its surrender. A few years ago, a US official had to fly to Japan to sign off on the change to the constitution that allowed Japan to go from what was termed a self defense force to what was obviously and offensive force for attacking China. That one was in the MSM, so it was quite public so long as you also knew the reason a US official had to sign of on the change to the constitution which most do not.
From even before the German surrender, there were already plans to reform the remaining Military and use in conjunction with other western forces to launch and attack on the Soviet Union. Churchill had that plan early. FDR wasn’t amendable to it but Truman was. In that way I assume Germany’s post surrender constitution would have differed from Japans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 1:31 utc | 314

Tokayev voiced something no major leader has had the guts to say publicly. Too bad what he said won’t be reported by Western media.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2024 0:48 utc | 299
Maybe not front page and the counter gets boosted but…
https://www.reuters.com/world/kazakh-leader-urges-scholz-support-chinas-peace-plan-ukraine-2024-09-16/

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 17 2024 1:34 utc | 315

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 22:25 utc | 260
Sorry, I am not an expert on the Uniates, Peter. I have met some, and that is what I remember. This is different from the takeover by a localized Ukranian Orthodox bishopry replacing what had been the Russian bishopry oriented Orthodoxy. The latter had been in Ukraine from the time Russia inherited Orthodoxy through Prince Vladimir in 988. Much of that heritage has been usurped by the new group.
Thank you for your helpful posts on this thread.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 17 2024 1:35 utc | 316

Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 0:56 utc | 300–
Thanks for your reply. I wonder if Germany will ever become an independent nation again. Perhaps the East Germans ought to vote to repartition the nation again so at least they can be free. Maybe such a move would shock the West Germans out of their stupor and awaken them to their captivity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2024 1:36 utc | 317

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 23:21 utc | 273
here is canada it is the same, or worse… all the politicians slavishly cowtow to the usa agenda.. it is beyond pathetic and we have a bonafied nazi fairly high up in parliament too – crystia freeland… so, maybe it isn’t so bad in australia!
@ karlof1 | Sep 17 2024 0:48 utc | 299
zelensky is dead man walking… he will be very lucky if he makes it to his condo in florida.. very, very lucky.. dangerous time for him is early november right before the usa elections.. if he gets taken out then, it will be overshadowed by the usa election madness which is another reason why it is a dangerous time for him..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2024 1:37 utc | 318

Jake Blanchard | Sep 17 2024 1:26 utc | 308
Nah. I don’t bother with that crap. Back about 2013, I started researching the legal term Estate in Fee Simple. To cut a long story short, that was a no go are. It revolved around a federal court case in the the 30’s that defined the term. With the research I also found a small loose group scattered around Australia that were looking into the same thing. Ended up contacting them and they said they believed their phones were being listened to/tapped. At that time I was a computer security nazi and there was one bug I had not been able to isolate. Down loaded a tool and worked on it all night. At 7 am I deleted a file, and the computer was fine again. I was very attuned in those days to if it was slowed by something. I Had been chasing this bug for a week or more and when I got it I said to the wife that I had finally found it. That was at 7am. At 10am, when there was nobody around for half an hour that flat was completely ransacked and only my computer and modem taken.
The transcript of the court case which was at a gov.edu site was sometime afterward erased and any reference to it on the net erased.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 1:47 utc | 319

Newbie | Sep 17 2024 1:34 utc | 312–
Thanks for your reply. I see they translate Tokayev differently, but the same gist.
In a similar vein, it’s beyond time for a national leader to stand up and declare the Zionists will fail in their project to Genocide all Palestinians and steal their lands. Perhaps that will actually happen at the upcoming UNGA Debate that begins next week.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2024 1:48 utc | 320

Peter AU1 #307
And further to my #301, you do realise that following any/all links outside of MoA is just not existentially necessary. I do realise you are old, unwell, ensconsed in God’s Waiting Room, with an intense hunger and curiosity about everything geopolitical, and masses of time on computer. But ffs, not everything online needs a compulsive worm hole exploration!!! I too have lots of free time to delve anywhere I wish, but I apportion my day, my PHONE TIME, (no computer here) to a balanced mixture of the optimistic vs the pessimistic; the intelligent world vs social media; music to both sooth and energise my soul; books with real words on real paper; being in nature to remind me that the world DOES NOT need changing by ME (anymore … been there, tried that in my little ways. I lost.)
Like you, I too hope to live long enough to see the End of Empire, hence my daily visits to MoA, RT, Substack, YT, are really just hopeful hospital visits to see if the demon patient has died yet.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 17 2024 1:50 utc | 321

juliania | Sep 17 2024 1:35 utc | 313
From what I read it was only or mostly the western regions that were Greek Catholic. Kiev and other regions remained orthodox. If what I read was correct, those western parts were already greek catholic when Kievan Russ adopted orthodox Christian. I though than given early Greek presence in Odessa and Mariupol ect that this was plausible.
Greek catholic, from what I could make of it were closer to the Orthodox than they were to the Roman Church.
But that really is the first time I have run onto mention of Greek catholic as separate from Rome.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 2:02 utc | 322

west-experiences-blowback-from-fostering-fascists-in-ukraine
Posted by b on September 16, 2024 at 9:53 UTC
… with 317 click bait comments so far which I will do my best to avoid like the plague.
In my opinion a horribly unrealistic article and contents. Hyperbole, wild conjecture, exaggeration, unsubstantiated assertions, and replete with conspiracy theories. No thank you!
“Me and Ivan Katchanovski were probably the only ones who had warned of this:”
Oh dear, some realism please! You are not Robinson Crusoe! That and a swallow does not a summer make. I’ll skip the rest for now so I do not unsettle the cargo cult natives too much, but the logical fallacies and unfounded connections are uncountable.
( “one swallow does not a spring make, nor one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy” )
And it is: “Ivan Katchanovski and I were probably the…. ”
Apologies for being Contrarian but when confronted with the material which I totally disagree with, then there is no alternative but to be Contrarian. (TINA)

Posted by: Escobar | Sep 17 2024 2:02 utc | 323

Escobar | Sep 17 2024 2:02 utc | 319
Piss off troll.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 2:09 utc | 324

Jake 301 reported:
“Sorry, but you have a case of mistaken identity. I am a 14 year old Norwegian school girl who has no intention of spending my life in prison”.
I am. Whatcha doing on Saturday night babe?
[ my humble and humorous contribution to the topic of rife gullibility ]

Posted by: Escobar | Sep 17 2024 2:14 utc | 325

oldhippie | Sep 16 2024 18:35 utc | 166
*** Ryan Rush ….***
Appearance such as in the UK would likely be either Green Party or Lib Dems.
(though maybe not quite unhinged enough)

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 17 2024 2:25 utc | 326

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 11:04 utc | 8
I must commend you on this find, Peter. It is very revealing because it shows the difference in prevailing ideologies and symbols. It also exposes some of Russia’s failures in its narrative.
The map clearly reveals that the epicenters of Ukro-fascism coincide with the mot craven support for Atlanticist intgration and servitude to the Anglo-American regime. The exact opposite is the case of the regions that held to some Soviet ideals and maintained their respect for Lenin.
This was further validated during the Anti-Maidan Spring of 2014. were the anti-fascist, pro-Russian crowds typically gathered in Lenin Squares under Lenin statues. Or the video of the elderly Red Army veteran who defended siad local statue in Slavyansk when some Ukro-fascist youth gathered to initiate its demolition.
I would also add the famous video of Babushka Z who welcomed the soldiers in her yard with the Soviet flag, unaware that they were AFU thugs.
And this is why the Russian state has an issue with its narrative. While Lenin may have blundered (and NOT in the modern historical context) on some fixations, he fundamentally promoted the unity of the Ukrainians with the Russians. This was recognized by the Anglo-American masters of Maidanist Ukraine and their fascist minions, hence the campaign to erase the Soviet legacy with emphasis on Lenin. That was validated on the map You, Peter, provided which shows that Lenin monuments INCREASED in number in the pro-Russian east after the 2014 coup.
The Russian government, however, has consistently failed to grasp this reality, because its political elites are still engaged in this perverse effort to defend the arch traitor and neoliberal comprador Yeltsin. It is beyond the pale that Putin continues to praise this sub-human betrayer of Russia just because he served under him, while basing the very idol of the pro-Russian elements in Ukraine.
Again, it is imperative for Russia to leave behind the baggage of the 90s and move forward. I mean, for God’s sake, the most prominent allies of Russia in this struggle are to be found in the Soviet era historical relations and that includes Lenin. The US/UK leaders were able to maneuver to support the Khmer Rouge when it became convenient for them, but the Russia have to continue trashing their own history due to an inability to confront their failures in the late 20th cent.?

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 2:35 utc | 327

This is impossible to believe or take seriously:
” – from this I take – that any prominent person speaking out for peace between Russia and Ukraine – might find themselves on a Ukrainian hit list – “
Posted by: Republicofscotland also known as Rumplestiltskin who only now woke up after a very long nap.
@ Sep 16 2024 12:44 utc | 19
And people think Biden has dementia and that’s bad?
………….
“… the frat boys in the WH who dream up these tactics graduated from Harvard and Yale, and they don’t teach reality at those ivy league bordellos.”
Posted by: Janet | Sep 16 2024 14:21 utc | 45
Oh contraire Janet, they do. They teach them the people the media the politicians are guaranteed to be dumb stupid uncaring selfish greedy and unbelievably gullible again and again and again.
They’re right too.
…………
Anyone critical of the intelligence community is going to be in their crosshairs. That is why Scott Ritter had his passport taken from him. The truth can be openly admitted on national television but it makes no difference. No one seems to notice or care. That is why I feel hopeless. The truth doesn’t have to be suppressed because it doesn’t matter.
Posted by: David | Sep 16 2024 13:18 utc | 26
Spot on David! It’s also why and how Ritter got framed for pedophilia charges as well. If they want you thye’ll get you unless like Snowdon you catch a fats plane outta there.
btw imho Ritter was incredibly stupid of late. A wiser man would have either shut the fuck up or emigrated to Siberia. In fact I put it to everyone he was fucking idiot long before he had his passport seized! It’s what “blind unrequited love” (of country) will do to your mind by turning it to mush.

Posted by: Escobar | Sep 17 2024 2:36 utc | 328

@313
There is Ukraine Catholics, separate from Orthodox and in the 1960s in my home town separate from the vast Roman Catholic diocese.
Recently many Ukraine and East European sects have aligned with Rome, loosely. Probably for EU and Knights of Columbus councils now exist in Catholic communities in Ukraine.
I suspect for west sympathy, as Rome does not listen to the Ecumenical proscripts to Christian unity.
The Pope is wrong in not condemning NATO meddling as contrary to St Augustine Just War doctrine
I strongly believe there is no morality in the rules and norms Harris use to fund slaughter.

Posted by: paddy | Sep 17 2024 2:40 utc | 329

Constantine | Sep 17 2024 2:35 utc | 323
Putin has said Stalin’s biggest mistake was adding Galicia to Ukraine. Medvedev has made it clear Poland are free to take it back again.
The far western areas a genuine WWII cultural nazis. That has also spread to and extent through the rest of polish ukraine and to a minor extent some parts of Rusdsian Ukraine. The ne-nazis are different again. Azov originate from the mostly Russian football hooligans of Kharkov. Dneipro the same. Neo-nazi gangs emerged from many groups of football hooligans both Russia and polish Ukraine.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union The US Uk was able or had free reign to nurture the rise of nazism in Ukraine which the Soviet Union had kept at a very low level after putting the cleaners through them in the 50’s. With the US UK coup of 2014, Nazis were put in all positions of power, National police, intelligence ect.
With that Nazism in Ukraine grew like a weed.
As for nazism in the areas Poland will reclaim before this is over, the Poles remember Volyn. They are just as likely to wipe out nazism there once and for all, man women and child.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 2:49 utc | 330

Could any of you have imagined (before 2020 that is), that a Nato proxy war against Russia resulting in a million plus Ukrainian lives lost (not to mention the Russian lives lost), all over a campaign of fraud, deceit and outright lies – a monumental fraud of epic proportions.
Could we have imagined, in our wildest dreams, that a genocide would be taking place in real time before our eyes, acknowledged by the highest court of the land – while our governments tell us to look the other away.
Mass murder of civilians, bombing of civilian infrastructures, deprivation, bio-warfare etc. etc.
Its the new normal, and while we speak, at least 50% of your freedoms you thought you had are gone!
You won’t know that until you say ‘NO’ to something tyranny wants you do do.

Posted by: simon crow | Sep 17 2024 2:50 utc | 331

” Lavrov today described the Outlaw US Empire as Totalitarian: ”
@ 98
Lavrov like many others seeking the spot light today is not Robinson Crusoe. Where were they when Cuba, Chafez, Sheldon Wolin, Chomsky, Chris Hedges and all the others were speaking out in the wilderness?
Thousands upon thousands of intelligent academics and leaders, even American ones, have been saying so long before Putin or Lavrov arrived on the scene in the late 1990s. And it has taken them TWO DECADES to say a word about it. Good for them sure, but some realism please! They are not that “heroic” after all.
Lavrov and Putin and their peers since the 1990s were doing big economic trade and military / security deals with the US and Europe while that same Cabal of Crooks were invading and destroying every place they could. These corrupted myopic narratives of the moment are becoming so distorted biased they are ridiculous and no better than Dept of State and Pentagon disinformation propaganda techniques.
A more broader perspective and some realism (and context) wouldn’t hurt. OK enough Contrarian for now. Won’t change a thing but maybe one or two people will be glad someone else sees the world like they do and they are not alone completely yet. 🙂

Posted by: Escobar | Sep 17 2024 2:56 utc | 332

It is misleading to think that Nazism/Fascism is on the rise in Europe. The reality is that it never went away.
Posted by: Vragtes | Sep 16 2024 16:01 utc | 87
Both can be true. I think both are true. Fascism is the last stage of capitalist expansion. No one put it better than Hitler in Mein Kampf: “Better an end with horror than horror without end.”
For a wonderful analysis of WWII and how fascism never went away and the support from the western powers to make sure it didn’t, see James Heartfield’s
Unpatriotic History of WWII
https://www.amazon.com/Unpatriotic-History-Second-World-War-ebook/dp/B009ODXJ84
For the poetic version, see Pynchon “Gravity’s Rainbow.”

Posted by: JAB | Sep 17 2024 2:59 utc | 333

Escobar | Sep 17 2024 2:56 utc | 328
Anyone that comes here with the maine purpose of parroting MSM narrative, of attack the government that stand up to the Anglo American empire is a troll, paid or not.
You are a troll. Your crap about contrarian is just that. Crap.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 3:01 utc | 334

I read an article soon after the SMO started that there were many JEWS within the AZOV battalions. Here you have a Zionist Jew Prez of Ukraine, a Zionist Jew who started this whole thing (Vicki “Cookie” Nuland) along with her Zionist Jew Neocon, Wolfowitz doctrine clowns,… seems to me that this minority group is over represented everywhere, but even in Ukraine. Color me surprised.
“He does not believe that Zelensky would sign a peace deal that would “abandon” Donbas”
That is correct as there is 14.8 TRILLION worth of lithium and other precious metals there. Just so many ways our Zionist Jew billionaires could balkanize Russia and divvy up the spoils between them.
I pray everyday that Russia wins and that this mess is OVER for good..

Posted by: Kay | Sep 17 2024 3:07 utc | 335

@Peter AU1 | Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:31:00 GMT | 311

A few years ago, a US official had to fly to Japan to sign off on the change to the constitution that allowed Japan to go from what was termed a self defense force to what was obviously and offensive force for attacking China

What official was that, and when did he/she do that? I’ve lived in Japan for almost 20 years, I never heard of that happening. Yes, the US encouraged Japan to make the constitutional changes, but that’s not the same thing as the US giving official “approval.”
The issue is one of nominal, de jure, sovereignty. The official military occupations of both Germany and Japan ended decades ago. Foreign troops are “invited” to stay under separate treaties, that supersede the WWII agreements. For Japan it’s this: https://www.mofa.go.jp/region/n-america/us/q&a/ref/1.html For Germany it’s the annex I posted and its ascension agreement with NATO.
In theory, though not in practice, Germany and Japan are sovereign states. They are allowed to abrogate their defense agreements with the US. Nothing prevents them, except their own cowardice/complacency. I get what you’re trying to say about Germany and Japan – being vassal states of the US, which isn’t necessarily wrong, but just got to get the facts and agreements straight.
They’re similar sounding, but still different agreements from the ones after WWII.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 17 2024 3:24 utc | 336

juliania
If you happen to read this, I just did a quick research on Uniate and Greek catholic church.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/uniate-churches
In the linked page on Uniate churches, the Greek church is in the section “Melkite Catholics”
“In the countryside the liturgy was celebrated in West Syriac or Ararnaic and in the cities in Greek.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 3:25 utc | 337

Posted by: fnord | Sep 16 2024 17:55 utc | 147
The typical infestation of the bar by neoliberals masquerading as socialists or something. We have been informed by this puke that Snowden is under the spell of the Russian Intelligence and this (utter horsecrap) is really bad because Russia is a horrible imperialist country. Of course, not by Lenin’s definition, but by that of “fnord”, that well known luminary of socialist thought.
Moreover, the totally not champion of the far-right DNC wishes to see the overthrow of the Russian government, but as it was pointed in a backpedalling – sorry, addendum – post, not by CIA minions, by a workers’ revolution.
Unfortunately, “alek_a” somehow believed that poster “fnord” is genuine in his/her/their conviction. As it happens, it is quite a thing for a long time to have neolibs of the pseudo-progressive (i.e., regressive) variety bust balls about their utterly fraudulent revolutionary credentials, while they engage in the expected task of imperialism: vilification of the targeted countries.
Slavoj Zizek, Michael Malice, previously the Frnkfurt School, all are typical cases of leftists/anarchists who, magically, attack all those targeted by the Anglo-American regime, while simultaneously professing their totally sincere adherence to some “pure” version of revolutionary course to hide their tracks. But as it goes for all slugs, they leave behind them a trail of slime to track their true deeds and convictions.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 3:32 utc | 338

@ Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 2:35 utc | 323
> It is beyond the pale that Putin continues to praise this sub-human betrayer of Russia just because he served under him
I suspect personal loyalty have little to do with it. Putin cultivates the culture of peaceful succession of power within Russia. By not shitting on his predecessor, regardless of merit, he sets the precedent, a standard for future leaders. Transition of power in Russia have always been a weak link, historically. Time of vulnerability for foreign meddling and intrigues.

Posted by: taukey | Sep 17 2024 3:34 utc | 339

James M. | Sep 17 2024 3:24 utc | 332
Will try and dig it up again. I think that was in early Trump days so up to seven years old news article now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 3:35 utc | 340

I get my foreign news mainly from rt.com and commentary from here. Looks like rt.com might get banned in Canada soon.

Posted by: calgary guy | Sep 17 2024 3:39 utc | 341

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 3:25 utc | 333
AFAIK the “Greek” part in the Christian denominations in the Polish territories had to do with the Schism. It was the Roman Catholics vs the Greek Orthodox. The faithful were not, of course, necessarily Romans or Greeks. The Unia was established under pressure by the Polish-Lithuanian authorities in the late 16th cent. and involved newly “converted” adherents to the Roman church who followed the Byzantine rites and rituals.
The Russians (and the Greeks who would move later to Mariupol and Odessa) were deemed to follow the Ecumenical Patriarchs of Constantinople, hence the “Greek” part. It was Constantinople that decreed Moscow as an Orthodox Patriarchate itself and granted the latter jurisdiction over the faithful in the Ukraine in the 1680s.
That settlement was upturned recently by the Anglo-American regime, of course, with Bart following orders from Washington to create a new Maidanist Church that adheres to the dictates of Mordor-on-the-Potomac and the craven desires of Ukro-fascism.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 3:42 utc | 342

@Peter AU1 | Tue, 17 Sep 2024 03:35:00 GMT | 336

I think that was in early Trump days so up to seven years old news article now.

If you can find it that would be great. The LDP proposed the changes a decade ago during the Obama administration, but the changes were never adapted. With or without US approval Japan still needs to go through their own processes to modify their constitution.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 17 2024 3:54 utc | 343

Odessa is the linchpin of western hegemony. Pull it and whole thing come crashing down,ultimately culminating in withdrawal of US from foreign bases by the end of the decade. British has realised it and panicking. Hence irrational and suicidical decisions

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 3:54 utc | 344

…its political elites are still engaged in this perverse effort to defend the arch traitor and neoliberal comprador Yeltsin…. 
…but the Russia have to continue trashing their own history…
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 2:35 utc | 323

In the same post you demand Russia start trashing her history and stop trashing her history. What is it that you really want? And what is it to you – are you a Russian? Do you live in Russia?

Posted by: Tempo | Sep 17 2024 4:00 utc | 345

Posted by: taukey | Sep 17 2024 3:34 utc | 335
It’s not a matter of any transition of power. The defense of Yeltsin has a personal factor for many Russians, Putin included, to deflect any blame for supporting the destructive policies of the 90s. This was the effect of social and political inertia, created by the failures of the late USSR, the severe inferiority complexes developed by the people and intense horror porn propaganda formulated by the western “advisors”.
The whole thing has become a form of psychological defense and involves an entire new and perverted historical narrative, where Yeltsin becomes a somewhat flawed hero and the destruction of the USSR – for which he played a very important role – the responsibility of the early Soviet leaders. The result is a set of ensuinf domestic and foreign policies and narratives that are harmful to Russia.
There is nothing regarding a peaceful transition of power when people do not see that treasonous parasites like Chubais and Khodorkovsky can skate after the horrific damage they did to a generation of the multi-national community. Nor the friendly treatment of liberal scum who abandoned ship in early 2022 and returned in all pomp and luxury when things didn’t go that well for them or that bad for Russia. It has a very detrimental effect on the popular perception of the state attitudes towards its backstabbers.
Ditto for its foreign policy. Russia could have mobilized much needed international support for this conflict of the utmost importance for anti-imperialism and a multi-polar world if it had a more respectful and emphatic attitude towards the prominent Soviet championship of the anti-colonial movement. In short, it is a failure of Russia that there isn’t a massive influx of Latin American volunteers in its ranks, while there are no few of the typically far-right variety in the NATO side.
In a simplified summation, there should have never been a “Simon Bolivar” unit on the side of the Ukro-Nazis/NATO., while there should have been a massive formation of that name in the Russian ranks. NATO recruiters and propagandists played that one very nicely, while Russia has spectacularly failed to utilize its own history of the Soviet era for that purpose. And unlike chicanery of the Anglo-American regime, this would have been a genuine battle for Latin American interests too.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 4:03 utc | 346

At #195, Ed: “At this point you’d have to be willingly ignorant not to recognize Trump as Moscow’s favored candidate.” It’s the reverse. In August 2017 Congress removed all Russia matters from Trump. Russian PM Medvedev commented at the time: “Any hope of improving our relations with the new U.S. administration is over….The Trump administration demonstrated it is utterly powerless, and in the most humiliating manner, transferred executive powers to Congress…The American establishment completely outplayed Trump.”….8/6/2017, Alastair Crooke…https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/06/playing-politics-with-the-worlds-future/…So the whole world knows Trump is a powerless clown. For US elites “Russia” also includes Ukraine & Syria. Don was/is full neocon on Ukraine as well, approved lethal weapons for them in 2017 which even Obama wouldn’t do. If Trump wanted to “save” the US, he’d have resigned and apologized to his voters. But he didn’t, he sat there for 4 yrs knowing he was going to deliver the opposite of what his 2016 voters voted for, became a more vicious neocon than McCain. He bombed Syria only 12 wks after his inauguration based only on fake photos of children delivered by US-backed jihadists in Idlib. WaPo patted him on the head. Months later he approved bombing that killed high ranking Russian soldiers in Syria who’d been invited by Syria’s president. In July 2017 Don went on tv and said he changed his mind about endless Mideast wars, now thinks they’re necessary. He approved lethal weapons to Ukraine in 2017-which even Obama wouldn’t do. Trump was elected in Nov. 2016 for #1, promising a wall on day 1, and #2, favoring detente w Russia and reduced US military intervention. Since then all he does is brag about how he tells Putin all the time that he’s going to bomb Moscow, and “nobody has been tougher on Putin than I have,” but that Putin still loves him. No one reminds voters that he was removed from Russia matters. Media knows if he wins he’ll still be powerless. People who say, “Trump doesn’t want Ukraine war” or “Trump doesn’t want to send more money to Ukraine” are ignoring his 4 years in office and most of what he’s “said” since.

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 17 2024 4:11 utc | 347

Posted by: Tempo | Sep 17 2024 4:00 utc | 341
What are you asking precisely? The message is obvious; terminate the glorification of Yeltsin and his works, recognize his crimes and proceed to destroy his neoliberal legacy.
At the same time, Russia must stop apologizing for its history when it involves the leadership of the anti-colonial struggle. Instead of bashing its champions, Russia should embrace that and seek a comradely struggle in the bloody conflict in Ukraine, whose result affects more countries than those nominally involved.
Again, take a good look to the map that Peter the Aussie provided through the link he posted. The regions of Ukraine that have been close and aligned to Russia are those who honored Lenin precisely because he has been perceived a symbol of Russo-Ukrainian unity. This is also the exact reason that the Ukro-Nazis and thier western masters sought to erase this symbol and the Soviet legacy in general from Ukraine. So what is the logic behind the Russian approval of the anti-Soviet campaign of the Maidanists and their Anglo-American masters?

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 4:12 utc | 348

taukey | Sep 17 2024 3:34 utc | 335
Putin did attend Yeltsin’s funeral but did not attend Gorbachev’s funeral. It is worth watching the handover speech when fist Yeltsin made a speech with Putin next to him announcing the handover and then Putin making a speech on his own afterward as the newly appointed president. Yeltsin’s speech is the one to watch. It was genuine and is why Putin respected him.
Yeltsin went through a lot of prime ministers in quick succession before appointing Putin. With Yeltsin speach handing over the presidency to Putin, it became obvious that he knew he was not capable of achieving the Russia he had envisaged, and began looking for someone who could. I think both that (his honesty in recognizing his failures) and his judgement in choosing Putin went a long toward balancing his failures.
It is this part of Yeltsin Putin respects.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 4:15 utc | 349

SOB
Give me your bots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yu5Ox7b4Ow

Posted by: Paspas | Sep 17 2024 4:18 utc | 350

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 17 2024 4:11 utc | 343
I think the poster you wished to respond isn’t Ed, but the verminous neoliberal of the prog variety “fnord”. It’s the latter puke that insists that Russia promotes the far-rightist Trump (as opposed to the totally not fascistic DNC), ostensibly because he will serve the interests of the Kremlin. Of course, none of that is based on reality as your own fact-based response reveals, but that won’t affect the neoliberal trash with socialist pretensions.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 4:19 utc | 351

SMO started with landbridge to Crimea and will end with Odessa capture. Then peace

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 4:22 utc | 352

James M. | Sep 17 2024 3:54 utc | 339
Tried one quick search with duckduckgo that didn’t even turn up reference to that constitutional change. Will keep trying at times using different search terms and search engines. One I can find a reference to it with a date or something I should be able to locate it. A lot of this sort of thing gets hidden by search algorithms and very specific search terms are required. often the can only be found again if the actual address has been stored or bookmarked. In that case, yandex often turns things up that have been hidden by western search engines.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 4:23 utc | 353

Fanto 200
“The muslim population growth AND the declining German population, AND economic degradation is an explosive mixture. No need for Baader Meinhoff there, I guess.”
The depopulation of Muslim countries in West Asia is solely due to Zionism and its infernal Greater Israel.
The Muslim refugee population in Europe is vehemently opposed to the USUKIS Nazism brand that is currently trashing Palestine, and which recently made their own countries uninhabitable .
So Muslim anti-Nazis and European anti-Nazis will unite against the Zionist Nazis so beloved by Political Islam and European politicians because of $$$$$$.
Muslims from countries that Zionist Nazi Neocons have trashed are on your side. They have small businesses and mortgages, families and faith.
They are maybe your only chance to overthrow the Totalitarianism of the Zionist USA.
Love them.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 17 2024 4:33 utc | 354

Fanto 200
“The muslim population growth AND the declining German population, AND economic degradation is an explosive mixture. No need for Baader Meinhoff there, I guess.”
The depopulation of Muslim countries in West Asia is solely due to Zionism and its infernal Greater Israel.
The Muslim refugee population in Europe is vehemently opposed to the USUKIS Nazism brand that is currently trashing Palestine, and which recently made their own countries uninhabitable .
So Muslim anti-Nazis and European anti-Nazis will unite against the Zionist Nazis so beloved by Political Islam and European politicians because of $$$$$$.
Muslims from countries that Zionist Nazi Neocons have trashed are on your side. They have small businesses and mortgages, families and faith.
They are maybe your only chance to overthrow the Totalitarianism of the Zionist USA.
Love them.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 17 2024 4:33 utc | 355

you known nothing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl0nOv_SF0M

Posted by: Paspas | Sep 17 2024 4:35 utc | 356

To #347 Constantine, thanks for your observation. Though “Ed’s” name was at the end of the post I addressed, there were others cited within his post. I wasn’t sure who said what, so I mainly referenced the false allegation that the Russian Federation prefers Trump.

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 17 2024 4:44 utc | 357

James M. | Sep 17 2024 3:54 utc | 339
I have found that under Abe, there was a ‘reinterpretation’ article 9 that was officially adopted in 2015. That could be it but I still have find the report of the American official signing off on it. It was in the oz ABC that I think I first saw it at the time, then was able to dig up news articles on it several years later.
Have just tried a google search with different search terms but hasn’t turned up there either.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 4:57 utc | 358

Joe@354
Looks like you’re onto something.
Odessa is a key and as you insist, quite possibly THE key to a return to Russian domination of the northern shores of the Black Sea.
The settlement area is ancient, going back at least to the time of Hellenic Greek times when colonies were planted in the Dnieper delta region. In the early 17th Century, Catherine the Great’s troops wrested it from the Ottomans. In rapid order the German born princess who became Tsarina of Russia commissioned the City of Odessa. The population is dominated by ethnic Russians.
Historically, Odessa was a very cosmopolitan city where eastern and western merchants and traders built an entrepreneurial paradise…a far cry from the Ottoman Turks and their Islamist agenda of either heavily taxing or else converting merchants to Islam…and an extremely far cry from those Khazarians who dominated the grain trade…and an ultimate far cry from fascistic western Ukraine’s westernized “nationalists.”
In both of its roots and in its population Odessa was NEVER Ukrainian.

Posted by: aristpde, | Sep 17 2024 4:58 utc | 359

I know it is a bit OT but the Japan constitution issue makes me want to post

The current Japanese constitution turns 74 this month of May 2021.
It emerged from a unique context. In July of 1945, at the hellish end of World War II, the Americans and their Allies issued the Potsdam Declaration, from the ruined heart of a defeated Germany, against the last remaining Allied enemy, Japan. The Potsdam Declaration comprised the terms of Japan’s surrender, although in reality there were none: the Allies demanded that Japan’s surrender be unconditional.
The Potsdam Declaration also provided the justification for the Allies — meaning, mainly the Americans — to overhaul the entire political system of Japan. The postwar Japanese constitution is an addendum to the Potsdam Declaration, and an extension of the formal instrument of surrender which Japanese delegates signed on the deck of the American battleship USS Missouri on September 2, 1945.
The result of the country’s defeat, the postwar Japanese constitution — the only constitution in the world never to have been amended — is thus a snapshot of a particular moment of historical time. It is unamended largely because the historical context and emergent alliance system locks it in place. The context of the Japanese constitution is that one Asia-Pacific empire, Japan’s, fell entirely under the power of another, America’s.

https://japan-forward.com/bookmark-why-does-the-u-s-imposed-constitution-continue-to-frame-japan-as-a-nation/
It may be wording in the Potsdam Declaration that is the behind the scenes approval that Peter AU1 was thinking of reading something about.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 17 2024 4:59 utc | 360

Posted by: Tempo | Sep 17 2024 4:00 utc | 341
What are you asking precisely? The message is obvious; terminate the glorification of Yeltsin and his works…
At the same time, Russia must stop apologizing for its history when it involves the leadership of the anti-colonial struggle. Instead of bashing its champions, Russia should embrace that and seek a comradely struggle in the bloody conflict in Ukraine…
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 4:12 utc | 344

I was asking whether you lived in Russia. If you do, I wonder where you could see glorification of Yeltsin and apologizong for Russia’s history.
If you don’t, I wonder why you demand Russia to change her ways at all.

Posted by: Tempo | Sep 17 2024 5:06 utc | 361

psychohistorian | Sep 17 2024 4:59 utc | 356
I run onto that in my first search and quite interesting, particularly this part
“Visitors to the USS Missouri today will notice a circular bronze plaque inlaid into her deck, marking the place where General MacArthur gazed imperiously down at the Japanese delegates as they signed the surrender document with shaking hands.
But look more closely and you’ll also see a framed, tattered American flag. This is the flag which Commodore Matthew Perry flew over his ship the Susquehanna when it entered Edo Bay in 1853.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 5:07 utc | 362

You not. Your president .
This godess, Pelageia is trying to chamce the wold.

Posted by: Paspas | Sep 17 2024 5:16 utc | 363

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ciw2r8Dn1I

Posted by: Paspas | Sep 17 2024 5:17 utc | 364

aristpde, | Sep 17 2024 4:58 utc | 355
I have not run onto any reference of Odessa when under the ottoman empire and does not appear on European maps of that era. I assume iot lost importance as a trading port and may have dwindle back to something like a small fishing village. The catacombs speeck of its age though and nobody seems to know who dug a great deal of those. I assume that comes from earliest Greek times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 5:20 utc | 365

Typos again…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 5:22 utc | 366

Do you want to know why things are devolving on this site? It’s because too many of you are far too emotional. If someone disagrees with you, you go off like a spoiled teenage girl that doesn’t get her way. That’s why you assholes can’t have a reasonable conversation. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 17 2024 5:23 utc | 367

Immaculate deception | Sep 17 2024 5:23 utc | 365
What is your input for the Ukraine threads in the last weeks or more? Is that off topic piece it?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 5:25 utc | 368

some people talk more and some talk less… that about sums it up for me… big deal.. that is to be expected..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2024 5:28 utc | 369

Wisco
You are the conflict-
I am sporadic

Posted by: Paspas | Sep 17 2024 5:35 utc | 370

Posted by: Tempo | Sep 17 2024 5:06 utc | 357
What the hell are you talking about? Are you unaware of the Boris Yeltsin Institute in Ekaterinburg? Have you ever heard any public and explicit denunciations of the arch-traitor by the leading figures of the country? Have you seen any consistent effort to expose in the cultural sphere the horrors of the 90s AND the culprits? Are you unaware of the splendid fortunes of Chubais, Kudrin, Fridman or Khodorkovsky (who should have never been pardoned)?
As for the required change of the narrative by the Russian government, feel free to read my posts and respond to the content regarding domestic and foreign policy. Apart from tha,t you do not get to moderate the blog and decide what posters are allowed to comment upon.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 5:38 utc | 371

I have personally seen American cameramen making fake footage from the scene of the events, staging staging.
NYTs reporter Senior Chris Hedges, who finally came clean after writing 30 years of lies – wrote about that in his substack about 10 months ago.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 17 2024 5:41 utc | 372

Odessa part of the SMO could see active participation of international partners of Russia join in without a care what the hegemon thinks or feels.
Iran,NKorea,China,Syria,Houthis,Cuba, Venezuela,Central Asian Republics, fellow Slavs,and even Taliban could join the slaughter of nazis in Odessa

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 5:47 utc | 373

An excellent overview and analysis by b who is obviously getting better. Some bg on the Canadian aspect of the topic.
Canadian Imperialism’s Fascist Friends – 1 of 4 parts.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/16/vxen-m16.html
“Ottawa’s decades-long alliance with the Ukrainian far-right and the NATO war on Russia.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 17 2024 5:48 utc | 374

Posted by: Tempo | Sep 17 2024 5:06 utc | 357
As for Russia apologizing for its history, that is precisely what has been done by numerous officials in the past, Putin included, equating the USSR with the USA on the international stage, when the former was consistently socialist and the latter was and still is a hideous regime that doesn’t have any serious principles apart from the interests of the oligarchy.
On the other hand, until very recently, during the effort of the government to marshal support in the Global South, they remembered the anti-colonial struggle and even that, in a half-hearted manner. But why did they fail to do that all that time? Where is the promotion of the historical efforts of the Soviet Russians to support the independence of, say, the Latin Americans? Again, how is it that Russia has faild so spectacularly to form its own international brigades of allied volunteers (as opposed to isolated individuals) in this grim conflict against NATO in Ukraine?

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 5:49 utc | 375

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 5:47 utc | 371
Leave the Taliban out (they wouldn’t be interested anyway and Russians won’t like it), fully agreed about the rest.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2024 5:51 utc | 376

A couple of new Reuters headlines
“France uses tough, untested cybercrime law to target Telegram’s Durov”
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-uses-tough-untested-cybercrime-law-target-telegrams-durov-2024-09-17/
And I put this one in as well because I believe US is currently trying to extricate itself from its failed war against Russia so it can launch war against China.
“US strategy for anti-ship weapons to counter China: plentiful, mobile, deadly”
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-strategy-anti-ship-weapons-counter-china-plentiful-mobile-deadly-2024-09-17/
US extricating itself from the war on Russia is why we see Kusk. The Brits are doing their best not to just prevent US turning away, but for escalation that will involve direct conflict between US and Russia. No doubt banker boy is full onside with the Brits.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 5:53 utc | 377

Constantine | Sep 17 2024 5:49 utc | 374
Current Russia is one country that does not airbrush its past nor create fictional histories.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 6:00 utc | 378

@alek_a | Sep 16 2024 21:43 utc | 240

I think the progressive left just got their “Breivik” moment.

What you call the Breivik moment was in reality a Mossad moment. Without it, Stoltenberg would not become NATO boss and given the task to clear out Ukraine for them.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2024 6:22 utc | 379

Re current talk of Odessa —
Although Odessa has a history of being more Russian than Ukrainian, none of its history is remotely relevant to its SMO future.
1. Putin never mentioned Odessa and its people as one of the oblasts necessary for RF protection via the SMO. Yes, it has its Russian speaking majority, and yes it has voted pro-Yanokovich, and yes it was persecuted in 2014 and since.
2. But there has not yet been any referendum to formally ascertain popular preferences for governance. No doubt Moscow knows their inner allegiances and will act accordingly. I suggest it is within the big plan but currently on the backburner.
3. RF “taking Odessa” looks great on a map! and would tidy up its link to Transnistria. But the reality is a much bigger venture.
4. There are two primary reasons for Ukraine/RF argy bargy over Odessa, completely unrelated to history. One is its commercial value to Ukraine for Black Sea shipping, and the other is its value to NATO for a Black Sea base — both of which, I suspect, UKR/NATO/US will fight tooth and nail to keep.
5. 1 & 2 may well be so as not to scare Kiev and NATO into serious defence of it … yet. Yeah, Kiev (and now a clandestine French garrison there) think they’ve got an amphibious invasion covered, but who really knows RF’s plans? I suspect they are in limbo, depending on Donbass outcomes and timeframes.
One thing I do suspect is that the more Bolshie that Ukraine gets towards Russia, and the more rhetoric NATO talks, the more Russia will want to take Odessa as insurance and buffer security.
Who knows where the RFAF would be now if not for the Kherson withdrawal of early 2023. The lack of men plus the Dneiper estuary was a bridge too far. It will take quite some effort and time to take Odessa. I suspect the whole Kursk episode was a way by Kiev to keep the fighting focussed up north, and I’ll bet Odessa is quietly undergoing major defensive works as we speak. So all the history talk is just tosh.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 17 2024 6:26 utc | 380

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary for the Morning of 17 September 2024; 06:51 (GMT+3)⚡️
🔹In the #Kursk region, the RF MoD reported the capture of #Uspenovka. There are battles for #Lyubimovka and #Vetreno. In the Glushkovsky district, the enemy is operating in the border areas of #Krasnooktyabrsky, #Medvezhye and #NovyPut, trying to extend the zone of control northwards through #Vasiliyevka and north of #Medvezhye. Footage of objective control with destroyed enemy equipment is published.👆Heavy fighting is taking place, but the AFU is failing to realise its main plan to break through to #Glushkovo and the railway station of the same name. Thus, the ‘North Group of Troops’ reports that 4 breakthrough attempts near the #Veseloye settlement were thwarted over the day. During the repulsion up to 50 enemy militants out of 120 who took part in the attacks were killed, 4 AFVs and a Leopard tank have been burnt down.
🔹In the #Kharkov direction, fighting continues in #Volchansk. The AFU launched an attack from the side of the flour mill by a former prisoner group the 57th Separate Motorised Infantry Brigade. The enemy assault group was destroyed. An attempt to transfer enemy reserves to the right bank of the Volchya River was foiled. The enemy losses totalled up to 9 Nazis. In the #Liptsy direction, the AFU made 3 unsuccessful attempts to attack in the direction of the #Glubokoye settlement overnight.
🔹At #ChasovYar, the levelling of our flanks along the Seversky Donets-Donbass Water Canal has been completed. South of the town, the RFAF 👉 crossed this line in the direction of the #Stupochki settlement. It is reported about oncoming battles.
🔹In the #Pokrovsk and #SouthDonetsk direction, there was fighting in the area of #Zhelannoye1st and near #Ostroye. Towards #Kurakhovo our fighters are trying to advance through #Maksimilyanovka.
🔹Around #Ugledar, the situation is developing dynamically. There are battles for the mines and in the area of the motorway to #Konstantinovka.
💥In #Belgorod region, 10 civilians were wounded as a result of yesterday morning’s shelling of #Belgorod and the Belgorod district. In the settlement of #Dubovoye a 4-year-old boy was injured.
🛡In #Bryansk region, the head of the region reported the shooting down of 15 enemy aircraft-type UAVs overnight.
🎬#Kursk border, Glushkovsky district, settlement Novy Put – Smuglyanka’s squad reports 8 destroyed enemy armoured vehicles.👆

https://t.me/two_majors/31957

Posted by: Down South | Sep 17 2024 6:30 utc | 381

@Melaleuca | Sep 16 2024 23:56 utc | 286
Thanks, you got that right. I studied the event in detail.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2024 6:40 utc | 382

Jake Blanchard | Sep 17 2024 6:26 utc | 380
I too see no indication Russia intends to take Odessa militarily. That is a figment of pro Russian analists.
There was mention by the Russian leadership of referendums in areas where there had not already been referendums but that is about it.
In the areas that are now part of Russia, each has had two. one on Independence from Ukraine and after that a referendum on joining Russia. the two Donbass regions both conducted their own independence referendums prior to the Minsk agreements which Russia did not recognize until Feb 2022 It was on the 21st of February that Russia officially recognized the referendums and the EU introduced its sanctions from hell boomerang. It wasn’t until the the 24th that Russia announced at the same time as it launched, the ‘special military operation’.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 6:41 utc | 383

We confirm the information of our colleagues that Commander-in-Chief Syrsky is removing and transferring additional brigades and units to the Sumy region (Kursk direction), as well as to the Pokrovsk direction.
We will only add that they are being pulled from everywhere. For example, they were removed from Kherson and from the Odessa-Nikolaev region. Since they believe that the Russian Armed Forces are unlikely to push in large forces in this direction in the next 2-3 months.
Syrsky is trying to save the situation and hold the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces until Zelensky goes to the United States and holds a meeting with Biden.
Bankovaya has tasked Syrsky with carrying out the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by any means possible on these dates and not sparing people and equipment. It is important to create a positive information background.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18721

Posted by: Down South | Sep 17 2024 6:42 utc | 384

Many of our sources report that everyone is frightened by the trend that the Ukrainian army is already experiencing a growing transport deficit, which may intensify in 2025, which will force the government to begin implementing its backup plan for mass raiding of transport from the people.
There are many reasons for such fears:
1. People have stopped donating to purchase transport for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
2. People are burning transport of the Armed Forces of Ukraine/TCK (not much, but more than two hundred vehicles have been burned during this time).
3. The West is “screwing down” the level and quantity of deliveries of equipment and transport for the Armed Forces of Ukraine
4. At the front, in the LBS and in the rear, vehicle losses are high and are constantly growing.
5. Bankova will have almost no free money in 2025, which means they will not be able to “cover” the rapidly growing deficit. Moreover, the deficit will grow in almost all areas, and not just in the transport case.
Our advice. It is better to sell the second car (in the family or in business) at the present time, before it is taken away by the “beloved state”.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18722

Posted by: Down South | Sep 17 2024 6:43 utc | 385

Man summa you guys are suckers.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 17 2024 6:50 utc | 386

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 5:20 utc | 363
aristpde, | Sep 17 2024 4:58 utc | 355
I have not run onto any reference of Odessa when under the ottoman empire and does not appear on European maps of that era. I assume iot lost importance as a trading port and may have dwindle back to something like a small fishing village. The catacombs speeck of its age though and nobody seems to know who dug a great deal of those. I assume that comes from earliest Greek times.
As far as I know the Odessa region has been settled by various peoples for 5 thousand years or more, including Greeks, Iranian peoples (the Saka or Scythians) and earlier peoples. I think the earlier inhabitants were probably (at least partly) responsible for the catacombs.
But ariste @355 is historically correct. The city of Odessa was built by Catherine the great after defeating the Ottamans and is vary much Russian in culture, language, religion and general sentiment. Clearly its location was very strategic back in the 18;th century, and remains so now. Hence the British (NATO) obsession with the place.
I agree with poster Joe@348 upthread, and reckon that any end to the Ukraine/Russia conflict without the return of Odessa and the adjoining Black Sea coast to Russia (or Novorossiya if you like) would be unsatisfactory to the RF. Actually, achieving this without prompting direct and overt NATO involvement will be difficult to avoid, and will probably require a decisive RF battlefield victory over NATO.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Sep 17 2024 6:51 utc | 387

Barrel Brown | Sep 17 2024 6:51 utc | 387
I agree with you that current Odessa was founded by Catherine and Odessa is Russian. It will most likely go back to Russia. More than most likely. But I dont think Russia will take it bey military means. I think it will go to Russia when Nato in Ukraine is defeated which essentially is the end of Nato as an entity.
This gap between Greek Odessa and Russian is something I wonder about though. Was it a small fishing village? Was it a few abandoned relics at a good site for a port city.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 6:59 utc | 388

Deep missile strike into Russia and Odessa comes into play

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 7:09 utc | 389

The wikipedia entry on Ukraine Greeks has no hint of post 2014 fiction so a good enough starting point.
According that, by the time of and during the Ottoman era, Greeks had disappeared from the Black Sea shores with a few remaining pockets in the mountains of Crimea.
It seems likely Odessa had been completely abandoned by the time Catherine founded the current Oddessa.
Apparently, after Russia took the black sea shores from the ottoman empire, there was another influx of Greeks that I assume due to joint orthodoxy when Greece was still part of the Ottoman Empire. And then also Greek communists.
Majority of Greeks or their descendants now apparently in the Donetsk oblast.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 7:25 utc | 390

@ vargas
vargas | Sep 10 2024 12:10 utc | 412 — “…I must say, I always listen what Dima says, as he is my only source of information…”
vargas | Sep 12 2024 19:59 utc | 71 — We should spend as much time as possible with family and friends
he is still here — no time for family and friends
or he has NO family and friends

Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 17 2024 7:26 utc | 391

This gap between Greek Odessa and Russian is something I wonder about though.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 6:59 utc | 388

Not the best reference, but a jumping off point ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_slave_trade

Posted by: too scents | Sep 17 2024 7:31 utc | 392

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/has-russia-deployed-its-nuclear-subs-to-britain-usa/
Martin Armstrong in the above link and elsewhere talking of a revolutionary cycle peaking in Russia late September to October
Is it connected to deep missile strikes. Wonder how credible is he

Posted by: Joe | Sep 17 2024 7:41 utc | 393

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 6:59 utc | 388
“I agree with you that current Odessa was founded by Catherine and Odessa is Russian. It will most likely go back to Russia. More than most likely. But I dont think Russia will take it bey military means. I think it will go to Russia when Nato in Ukraine is defeated which essentially is the end of Nato as an entity.
This gap between Greek Odessa and Russian is something I wonder about though. Was it a small fishing village? Was it a few abandoned relics at a good site for a port city.”
Thank you for commenting on my@387
I hope you are correct about Odessa returning to Russia without huge military effort, but I think you agree that a decisive defeat of NATO by RF will be necessary. Perhaps that will occur on the East bank of the Dnieper, but who knows?
So far as the time between the Greek/Scythian occupation and Russian establishment of the city is concerned, I have no detailed knowledge but do know that various nomadic groups (Pechenegs, Kipchaks, Karzars etc) repeatedly travelled across the general area over several hundred years for grazing purposes, and importantly for grabbing slaves. The latter activity was termed “the harvesting of the steppes” and I have read (but don’t remember where}, that this was actively pursued by Karzar’s, with the captives being transported by Ottamans (and possibly Venetians) from ports in Crimea to slave markets in Turkey and other parts of the ME.
I imagine that some small agricultural and fishing communities became established over time in parallel with the slave trade and grazing. Perhaps the peoples of these settlements were sometimes taken as slaves.
It is interesting and historically relevant to the current conflict, but I do not have enough knowledge on this to say much more than I have. Even a Google search does not provide much enlightenment.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Sep 17 2024 7:49 utc | 394

too scents | Sep 17 2024 7:31 utc | 393
Thanks. An interesting section of the history of the Black Sea region.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 7:54 utc | 395

The first two assassination attempts where to set the scene.
The proper CIA move would be to crash Trumps airplane on the final days of the campaign. Some maintenance man / operative can do that and never be traced. Or a ‘cleaning person’ can stash a bomb somewhere unnoticed in the fuselage.
Does Trump’s security sweep the airplane routinely before flights?
Remember Prigozin.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Sep 17 2024 8:02 utc | 396

repeatedly travelled across the general area over several hundred years for grazing purposes,
Barrel Brown | Sep 17 2024 7:49 utc | 395
That fits with some of the old European maps where roughly that area was named Wild Fields.
The link provided by too scents at 393 on black sea slave trade, although wikipedia, was also quite good – filled in some gaps.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 8:02 utc | 397

Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 7:25 utc | 391
I forgot the link for that comment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Greeks

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 8:06 utc | 398

I hope you are correct about Odessa returning to Russia without huge military effort, but I think you agree that a decisive defeat of NATO by RF will be necessary. Perhaps that will occur on the East bank of the Dnieper, but who knows?
Barrel Brown | Sep 17 2024 7:49 utc | 395
I meant to comment on that as well.
The beauty of the SMO is Russia knows that it can just squat where its is and Nato will come to them. No need to chase Nato all over the countryside creating a large zone of destruction along with the civilian casualties that would occur.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 17 2024 8:17 utc | 399

Tom-Q-Collins @ 386
Best comment on this thread.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 17 2024 8:26 utc | 400