West Experiences Blowback From Fostering Fascists In Ukraine
At the start of the Special Military Operation in February 2022 I warned of the blowback that, I asserted, would likely come if the West continued to pamper Nazi groups in Ukraine:
The U.S. aim is to create an insurgency in the Ukraine.
The Coming Ukrainian Insurgency - Foreign Affairs
Russia’s Invasion Could Unleash Forces the Kremlin Can’t ControlSince 2015 the CIA has trained Ukrainian groups for exactly that purpose.
CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades - Yahoo
CIA support for Ukrainian Nazis has a long history.
Op-Ed: The CIA has backed Ukrainian insurgents before. Let’s learn from those mistakes - LA Times
A new Nazi insurgency in eastern Europe is an exceptionally bad idea. Fascist groups from everywhere would join in. A few years from now it may well lead to Nazi terror in many European countries. Have we learned really nothing from the war on Syria and the ISIS campaign?
Me and Ivan Katchanovski were probably the only ones who had warned of this:
Katchanovski adds that, “This is also going to have a dangerous effect on Ukraine and potentially other countries because now, basically, Nazis in Ukraine are made into national heroes.” He also noted that Azov (as well as Western governments) has consistently pressured Zelensky — including with threats, and even before Russia invaded — not to seek a peace deal with Russia or withdraw forces from the Donbas region. In February, Azov branded Zelensky a “servant of the Russian people” after he suggested that he might negotiate with Moscow.Katchanovski said that the valorization of the Azov Regiment is comparable to how the West initially supported the predecessors of the Taliban in their fight against the Soviet Union’s intervention in the war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and also risks inspiring yet more far-right activists from other countries to join the conflict in Ukraine in order to gain military experience, potentially causing a blowback effect if they make it home.
Yesterday one avid U.S. supporter of the fascists in Ukraine tried to assassinate the Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump:
Jack Poso 🇺🇸 @JackPosobiec - 1:39 UTC · Sep 16, 2024EXCLUSIVE: Attempted Trump assassin Ryan Routh appeared in a propaganda video for the AZOV BATTALLION in May 2022
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Routh, himself being too old to fight, had tried to hire foreign mercenaries to fight on the fascist side in Ukraine. He obviously targeted Trump because he had promised to dictate an end to the war in Ukraine.
Was Routh more than a lone wolf in this?
Edward Snowden @Snowden - 23:27 UTC · Sep 15, 2024We know little so far, but w alleged Trump shooter's personal and public participation in military activity in Ukraine, it is hard to imagine this White House's agencies can claim zero contact—"clean hands." Something of an Oswald vibe, here. Congress should get answers.
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As more people start to think about potential ways to end the war in Ukraine the far-right in Ukraine is threatening to use violence to prevent that:
SIMPLICIUS Ѱ @simpatico771 - 18:13 UTC · Sep 15, 2024⚡️🇺🇦Ukraine's most feared drone warlord threatens Zelensky:
A serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the call sign "Madyar" openly and "without drama" threatens the Ukrainian government.
According to him, if someone negotiates with the Russian Federation "not in the interests of the Ukrainian people", then a million fighters will return from the front and overthrow such a government.
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The Washington Post tries to explain the issue:
‘Sprinkled with our blood’: Why so many Ukrainians resist land for peace
Ukraine is under pressure to cut a deal to end the war, especially if Trump wins, but there is likely to be fierce opposition from some soldiers and their families in the east.
It turns out that the 'so many' Ukrainians are not so many but a small radical minority that is willing to use force against politicians who want to take the necessary steps to make peace:
Polling, however, shows that Ukrainians are not ready to give up their land, especially among those soldiers in Donbas who have been fighting for it for the past 10 years.
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[W]hile only 7 percent said they would join an armed protest in case of territorial concessions, that number more than doubled among soldiers and veterans — including those who have been fighting for the past decade, who have seen Russian forces raze the Ukrainian cities they capture to the ground, and who are now grappling with the prospect of losing their long-contested homeland.
The Post cites only few named sources in support of its thesis:
Vitaliy Barabash, the head of Avdiivka’s military administration, has been fighting Russia since 2014. The city was finally captured by Russia this winter after a decade of fighting.
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He does not believe that Zelensky would sign a peace deal that would “abandon” Donbas — and said that it would be a “stupid mistake” to reason with Moscow. “Most people are hopefully that we will return to Avdiivka. They are ready to live in tents and rebuild this city.”
The report does not mention that Vitaliy Barabash, who is Jewish, was one of those who fought, and lost, with the fascist Azov battalion in Mariupol:
A Jewish Ukrainian soldier in the besieged Azovstal plant in Mariupol called on Israel on Wednesday night to intervene to save the garrison.In a Facebook video posted by Jewish Kyiv-based entrepreneur and activist Ilgam Gasanov, Vitaliy Barabash said in Ukrainian, “It’s hard for me to speak, so my speech for me will be said by my brother, on behalf of all Ukrainian Jews who are together with me here.”
Barabash, also known as Benya, held a Ukrainian flag up to the camera as his friend read his statement, a Star of David tattoo clearly visible on Barabash’s hand.
Members of Azov and other 'nationalist' groupings in Ukraine are now experienced fighters. The have the means to fight as there are lots of Ukrainian weapons in unaccountable hands (machine translation):
Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Russia in Ukraine, more than 270,945 weapons have disappeared or been stolen.
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In less than 2024, more weapons were stolen or lost than in the whole of last year - 78,217 units. At the same time, it is 4 times more than before the start of a full-scale war.
These weapons can be easily smuggled into Europe to target any politician who dares to pressure Ukraine into accepting an end of the war.
The attempted assassination of Trump is only one of the first of such incidents. (The motives for the assassination attempt against the Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico are still unknown.)
Many such incidents, predominantly in Europe, are likely to follow.
Posted by b on September 16, 2024 at 9:53 UTC | Permalink
next page » Are these weapons going to be used in Europe against Govts or against the Muslim 'Invaders' as Azov etc would call them. Or is it going to be far more twisted & Machiavellian than that with the fingerprints of the CIA/European Security Agencies everywhere?? Time may tell.
Cheers, Chris in Ch-Ch
Posted by: Chris in Ch-Ch | Sep 16 2024 10:20 utc | 2
"It turns out that the 'so many' Ukrainians are not so many but a small radical minority that is willing to use force against politicians who want to take the necessary steps to make peace:"
Resident
#insider information
Our source from the President's Office said that all journalists, officials, and journalists were instructed to say that the Zembilization is going well, that there are enough soldiers and that they will all be ready soon.
This is done in order for the West to allocate money to Ukraine and extend military support.
If they (Western sponsors) understand that the capture of serfs in Ukraine is already less than the losses at the front, then they will understand that collapse is inevitable. For Bankova, this will be a " political and historical death." That is why it is important for them to create the illusion in the media that there are many soldiers and there are still serfs for war.Resident
#Insider information
Zelensky wants to visit the Donbass before traveling to the United States.
To do this, Commander-in-Chief Syrsky was instructed to stabilize the front in the Donbas by any means necessary.
Before the trip and at the time of Zelensky's visit to the United States, the APU must advance in order to maintain a good information background.
Expect to see are large increase on the Rus MoD daily tally sheet.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 10:35 utc | 3
And this.
https://x.com/vicktop55/status/1835600239337648570
The Press Bureau of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation reports that, according to information received by the the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia, the leadership of the special services and the military command of the Kiev regime, at the instigation of their curators from the United States, are working on a scenario for yet another inhumane provocation. It is planned to stage a Russian missile strike on a children's institution on Kiev-controlled territory - a hospital or kindergarten - with a large number of victims. Extensive media coverage of this tragedy is envisaged with the involvement of leading international media.
The leadership of Ukraine hopes to use such a barbaric method to increase the fighting spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, justify the lifting by the West of restrictions on the use of missile weapons to hit targets deep in Russian territory, and attract the support of the countries of the Global South. The lives of Ukrainian children, who are thus put at risk, are neglected by Zelensky's clique.
At the same time, the Americans plan to use the provocation to intensify the pressure campaign they have already launched on Iran, as well as the DPRK for allegedly supplying Moscow with ballistic missiles. It is assumed that these are the types of ammunition used in the attacks on the children's institution. US Secretary of State E. Blinken has already called on EU countries to impose new sanctions against Tehran and Pyongyang for transferring weapons to the Russian side. In this way, Washington is leading Europeans to immediately and as harshly as possible respond to the incident by condemning Russia and its partners.
The development of the Ukrainian crisis shows that Kiev and its Western sponsors refuse to learn from their mistakes. After a series of bloody provocations, including the cynical staging in Bucha, the strike by a Ukrainian missile on the Kramatorsk train station, and the recent fall of a Ukrainian air defense missile on the territory of the Okhmatdet hospital in Kyiv, few people in the world believe in the "treachery" of Moscow and the "innocence" of Kiev.
Press Bureau of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia
Perhaps it will come to nothing or be called off because Russia has made it p[ublic, but with the desperation to get the Americans back in the game, anything can happen.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 10:38 utc | 4
That last at four should have been blockquote. Last sentence, typo and all was mine and not part of the quote.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 10:41 utc | 5
Something we ought to bear in mind is that these fascistic types, centering on Galicia, but sprinkled within Ukraine proper, have no right to hold the Donbass region and much of the former Ukraine SSR was a bad ca 1922 decision to include the ethnically Russian areas east of the Dnieper) in their Frankenstein Monster.
Also critical to remind ourselves that the Maidan coup regime in Kiev is rapidly losing their hold over the several Oblasts which can be described as Ukraine proper...a people but not a natio.,The reason was that they were long under alien occupation by the Mongol Golden Horde; Poland-Lithuania; the Tatars; the Turks and more recently, the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Those Malorussians (Little Russians) were long deracinated by centuries of those occupying cultures.
The fanatics are mostly constipated in Galicia and portions of other oblasts in far western "Ukraine". They must be excluded from any future NovoUkrania. Reason for the split is that formerly Orthodox people in those regions were converted into becoming "Uniats" in concert with the Church of Rome. Westernized for centuries, a majority of those people have the notion that they are superior to their eastern Slavic Orthodox brothers.
Excluding that westernized small minority should be one of the first moves of a government of liberated Ukraine. Lenin's mistake of conglomerating three separate ethnic nations into a single entity...Ukraine SSR...can be described as an unintended error of political engineering. Centralization of power and resources, based upon ideological speculations, was simply not a good idea.
Highly centralized power inevitably creates divisions amongst variant populations who cannot develop the mutual acceptance which is the foundation of a national identity.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 16 2024 10:51 utc | 6
I speculated the US powerbrokers have now long agreed that The Donald was robbed of his second term, even if he didn’t necessarily expect his first!
All the Lawfare and Russiagate failed; the Maxwell Epstein scam failed; the Dems implicated themselves ;Clinton and Obama guilty of sedition and treason with the attempts to keep him down in the first term and certainly to stop him in the second. The three letter agencies traitors to the State.
And of course the Bidens and Kerry and various Republicans all who have been working to steal Ukraine and balkanise Russia for many many decades… whilst filling their boots from the laundering of public funds forever.
So the factions which are the dysfunctional US system of buying politicians and votes that support Drumpff appeared to have agreed that he would be allowed his fair win.
The Ukraine funding that took so long and required his nod to go through a few months ago, as Cameron confirmed in his spoofing, means that VVP’s warning was heard by The Donald and his team are already calling the longterm shots.
No new weapons , no coordinated and natzo flight programmers.
Hence the first attempt and now the second - third time they may be lucky they only need to suffer once , The Donald has to be lucky every time.
The establishment does not want their multigenerational hopes being completely dashed on the rocks they are already on.
I guess the only chance he has of getting through this alive is either to let them have their way or to declare them as deadly internal enemies - requiring ‘clean skin’ patriots to take up arms against their brothers, fathers and yes murderous mothers.
That includes the mummy/daddy ziofascists in all levels of government and military and the tech offshoots of the state and MIC under the global robber bankers - in effect a open civil war - without declaring one.
That plays out as many pitched gun battles and bombed buildings in compounds and offices. Of course he would need a trusted full team of bodyguards for himself and his children.
It will of course spill into Anglo European government departments and establishment too, which are long under the ziofascist jackboots with their aristos Nazi connections.
Time to clear the stinking nests of the dynastic murdering thieves and free Europe as well as ordinary Americans.
That is the only chance to escape the fate of the defeated, isolated enslaved unipolar in the destroyed Garden , surrounded by barbed wire, to keep us IN !
So that our grandkids may yet live in a prosperous new law based multipolar as equals with the whole of humanity instead of deluded smug woke imperilists lackeys never realising WE are the BAD guys. we are the Nazis and fascists and Zionazis supporters of genocide daily in The Palestine.
Hey if Drumpff doesn’t deliver than he too will be part of that problem that WE will have to deal with - after all these weapons are not just available to the ziofascist crazies and one thing is certain THEY are the FEW.
WE are the MANY.
Non Pasaran- Onivar!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 16 2024 11:02 utc | 7
aristodemos | Sep 16 2024 10:51 utc | 6
This map of monuments shyows the spread of rabid Bandera nazism in Ukraine. Blue are the Bandera monuments and red are the Lenin monuments in the various oblasts.
The three oblasts of Galicia was certainly the epicenter but that has spread to adjoining oblasts
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 11:04 utc | 8
It's not blowback if it's part of the plan. Gladio 2.0
Posted by: Hankster | Sep 16 2024 11:05 utc | 9
Posted by: too scents | Sep 16 2024 10:15 utc | 1
Nothing new under the sun as they're (nazis, jihadists, zionists) birds of a feather who serve the same master...
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 16 2024 11:18 utc | 10
Schumer from 2017. Re "intelligence community" and Trump.
Six ways from Sunday of getting back at you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYyXv2l4-I
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 11:23 utc | 11
Andrew Tate
@Cobratate
So the first assassin is in a Black Rock video.The second assassin is in an Azov video.
But neither are deep state agents?
https://x.com/Cobratate/status/1835557470774694136
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 11:28 utc | 12
The private industries with massive investments in Urkaine and those who hoped to profit from the demise of Russia cannot afford to lose what they have already loss but.
Collectively these industries have been unable to organize the western nation states sufficiently for national governments to win this war..probably the reason is the only benefactors would be the private corporations and their Oligarch owners and there is growing and organizing resistance to politicians giving their nations money away for a war in far off Ukraine.
I also remind that the MSM is privately owned and fully integrated with the privately owned, dubiously funded intelligence agencies.
There just is no benefit I can see to national governments or the people these governments govern to engage in, or to put out the effort needed to win this war. Security is not the issue for the West.. access to resources and cheap manpower is.
So the national politicians seem to be using the governments they have the authority to lead, to accomplish profits for private enterprise? I wonder what's in it for the for the involved politicians. Hopefully a document will surface.
The head chopper armies often seem to private enterprise vested? I have notice they seem to be employed when oil and gas rights are the basis for the conflicts?
Posted by: snake | Sep 16 2024 11:42 utc | 13
2028 Mint Press News November 19
Last month, an unsealed FBI indictment of four American white supremacists from the Rise Above Movement (RAM) declared that the defendants had trained with Ukraine’s Azov Battalion, a neo-Nazi militia officially incorporated into the country’s national guard. The training took place after the white supremacist gang participated in violent riots in Huntington Beach and Berkeley, California and Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017.
The indictment stated that the Azov Battalion “is believed to have participated in training and radicalizing United States-based white supremacy organizations.”
After a wave of racist violence across America that culminated in the massacre of twelve Jewish worshippers at a Pittsburgh synagogue, the revelation that violent white supremacists have been traveling abroad for training and ideological indoctrination with a well-armed neo-Nazi militia should cause extreme alarm."
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Trump government funded 200m to Ukraine...Congress made it illegal to fund Azov.
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Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly — chronicling their experiences on social media before they bring their lessons back home. But U.S. law enforcement has done nothing so far to restrict the flow of right-wing American extremists to Azov’s bases.......The almost unbelievable story exposes an axis of fascism that stretches across the Atlantic, from the Ukrainian capital of Kiev to the sun-washed suburbs of Southern California, where some of the most rabid modern white supremacist gangs were born....,,
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it seems from a quick read that the infameous RAM group were associated with MAGA andTrump being present at his victory parade. The article has extensive details about RAM and association with Azov. I highly recommend b please read.
June 2024...bbc reports USA has lifted its weapons ban on Azov....surely encouragement.Wonder how much they have recieved.
Considering Vance revealing Trump peace plan for Ukraine two days ago....can events now suggest this reversal is viewed as a betrayal by such Azov funded supremacists who have now turned against Trump ....? Blowback indeed
Posted by: Jo | Sep 16 2024 12:28 utc | 14
re; latest "attempt" on the Donald.
...Sento odore di pesce.. I smell fish.
Posted by: Cocoliso | Sep 16 2024 12:33 utc | 15
"Highly centralized power inevitably creates divisions amongst variant populations who cannot develop the mutual acceptance which is the foundation of a national identity."
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 16 2024 10:51 utc | 6
Well said: you might enjoy this interview with Raoul Paul by Tom Bilyeau-go to the 23 minute period where he talks about centralization.
I had fun reading Babylon Bee this morning : "FBI Tries To Distract From Old Trump Assassination Attempt With New Trump Assassination Attempt ".
What is it ? A game with CIA ? "We can miss more assassination attempt than you failed on Castro ?" Or the good old McCarthyism kikin' "Don't let that Cuban Commie be number one , everybody know communism didn't works !"
Posted by: Savonarole | Sep 16 2024 12:42 utc | 18
So - from this I take - that any prominent person speaking out for peace between Russia and Ukraine - might find themselves on a Ukrainian hit list - I'm pretty sure the Neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine , has another hit list already - one where the likes of Roger Waters in on it.
Also with many Ukrainians fleeing to Europe - we should expect a rise in Nazism/Fascism in Europe.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 16 2024 12:44 utc | 19
It's pretty obvious that any simulated 'jihadist/Hamas/Iranian' attack, including a dirty bomb, especially if German leadership starts having second thoughts about contining to bankroll the further decimation of Ukraine, could be 'jihadist/Hamas/Iranian' in name only, and in reality a revived Gladio with origins in Ukraine special ops. Hamas itself, without any hope of winning, but an assured destruction of Gaza, went ahead and took the bait, while IDF were inexplicably massacred in their bases in the vicinity of the security wall. Yet who has de facto control of Gaza, and indeed of Hamas intelligence, if not Israel itself? And indeed many IDF (and civilians) were killed by friendly fire on Oct 7, but their survivors and comrades have been apparently too brainwashed to see that Oct 7 was a coup d'etat that "required" their sacrifice. In the West the blowback or even coup could come in the form of a similar act of "jihadist" or "Russophile" aggression, necessitating massive escalation of the war, but in reality the work of Ukraine ultra-nationalist saboteurs or even foreign intelligence services and militaries, e.g. Nordstream. With the recent scandal in the (literal) premier Anglo-Jewish press in the UK, there cannot be the slightest doubt that Netanyahu and the regime he leads are incessantly, deliberately, and even ostentatiously prevaricating and confabulating. Who now could believe one iota about what they say have to say about Oct 7 or the siege of Gaza without the most careful and neutral outside revision of everything detail the aforesaid say and have said?
Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 16 2024 12:57 utc | 20
It takes about a week for Polish food lorries to get through UK Border controls. Obviously that eats into the sell by time of the produce.
After b's interesting post, I will assume that the new British Government are actually terrified of Ukrainian weapons being smuggled in with food.
The previous government enjoyed eating its own vomit , MI5/6 jargon for blowback from its nefarious , terrorist groups, WITH RELISH.
So, putting 2 + 2 together, the US and Tories conspired to destroy Europe, morally ( Israeli genocide ), intellectually ( Britain has a Socialist Welfare State ), economically ( Nordstream ), militarily ( all weaponry spent in Ukraine ), and last but not least spiritually ( Fascist Islamophobia ).
Nice work if you can get it, then duck under the parapet and let the other bunch of idiots take the flak.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2024 13:06 utc | 21
Someone please remind me once again.
What was the vital American strategic interest we were supposed to be defending in Ukraine, much less in all of Eastern Europe? You know, an interest that we Americans would happily agree to spend $200 billion in supporting, while also risking a a very real nuclear WW III with Russia over. What was it ever all about?
Me, and about three hundred million of my closest and increasingly nervous friends would really like to know.
Posted by: Packard | Sep 16 2024 13:08 utc | 22
In the US, the American football season (high school, college, professional) has started. It will distract many from their attention to little things like shooting at politicians.
The MSM will talk about it for 48 hours, then move on. By Wednesday it will not even be discussed, except maybe as a Trump campaign hoax, by the well rehearsed Dems posing as commentators.
And there will be people who believe it is a hoax. Certainly many did on the first shooting, where bystanders lost their lives.
And truthfully, there will be a 3rd attempt before election day. The crazies have been embolden. While the MSM "tisk, tisks" these attempts, they are secretly thrilled when they happen.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Sep 16 2024 13:10 utc | 23
What was the vital American strategic interest we were supposed to be defending in Ukraine
Posted by: Packard | Sep 16 2024 13:08 utc | 22
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The value of the pleb's 401(k) accounts and the ability of USA to sustain a wildly negative balance of trade.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 16 2024 13:15 utc | 24
"What was the vital American strategic interest we were supposed to be defending in Ukraine?"
Posted by: Packard | Sep 16 2024 13:08 utc | 22
Blackrock's Balance Sheet
Peter AU 1
I almost fell off my couch in 2017 when I heard Schumer say that Trump was "Being dumb" for taking on the intelligence community because the intelligence community had "Six ways from Sunday at getting back at you". I turned to my wife and said, "The Senate's leading Democrat just acknowledged on national television who is running the country."
Anyone critical of the intelligence community is going to be in their crosshairs. That is why Scott Ritter had his passport taken from him. The truth can be openly admitted on national television but it makes no difference. No one seems to notice or care. That is why I feel hopeless. The truth doesn't have to be suppressed because it doesn't matter.
Posted by: David | Sep 16 2024 13:18 utc | 26
RepublicofScotland 19
You maybe mean ' intentional, Tory, rise of Nazism/Fascism in Europe'.
I hope the British public are crystal clear that British Muslims are probably the only people who are ready and willing to fight Tory Fascism for Allah's sake.
And that would probably apply to every single country in Europe, except poor Hungary , which thinks Islam is a menace.
Bring it on. We'll show you what it means to defend your country from malice. Take out the upper classes and Monarchy while you're at it.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2024 13:19 utc | 27
I've said it before and I'll say it again, try it and see what happens. See how quickly support for Ukraine will turn against them. You start attacking civilians. You start engaging in terrorist activities, Europeans will turn violently against you. Never mind what U.S. citizens will do to you.
Right now people see Russia as the aggressor. They feel sympathy for Ukraine but are fatigued. They want an end to the war.
You point a gun at them and they will bomb you back to the stone ages.
Posted by: JoeSixPack | Sep 16 2024 13:23 utc | 28
I'm surprised that the U.S. MSM and their handlers, haven't blamed Iran yet. I did here some grumble about 'state actors' and by now we are conditioned to blame either Russia, China, Iran, or N. Korea.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Sep 16 2024 13:28 utc | 29
The Americans and the Germans are backing Nazis--fighting alongside them. This is not new or news, in fact, the obverse. Hardly a murmur from their populations.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 16 2024 13:32 utc | 30
Giyane | Sep 16 2024 13:19 utc | 27
Islam is something that is not indigenous to Britain. Nor is the great influx of muslims in recent decades.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 13:36 utc | 31
Thanks for keeping the attention on this, it is a huge risk for both Ukraine and the West. I see fewer and fewer reports of the reformed Azov Brigade actually involved in the worst of the fighting that is grinding down units, but a lot about its separate recruiting operations. It's hard to know how big these fascist forces are since they have their own recruiting and the order of battle doesn't tell you much. But whereas a normal Ukrainian brigade has 4 maneuver battalions, the order of battle of the Azov "3rd Separate Assault Brigade" lists 7 maneuver battalions and a massive number of support units. Likewise the National Guard's "12th Azov Special Forces Brigade" also lists 7 maneuver battalions. These forces are likely each several times the size of a normal Ukrainian brigade.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 16 2024 13:37 utc | 32
Remember when Lavrov was asked if he worried about the fascists in Kiev?
He replied that he was more worried about the fascist in Washington DC.
They are just creating more assets that can be activated if or when needed.
Posted by: Governthemente | Sep 16 2024 13:37 utc | 33
Is this our daily distraction from the fact that the Ukronazis are moving deeper into Ukraine?
I thought they were being pushed out? Every day they become further entrenched. Why does b keep lying to us?
Posted by: Bartholomew Chubbins | Sep 16 2024 13:40 utc | 34
From Webb, March 2022, who's always at the very edge in pattern recognition but has a knack for weaving a great many facts into her long form narratives:
"Yet, this insurgency is poised to have consequences that reach far beyond Ukraine. It increasingly appears that the CIA sees the insurgency it is creating as more than an opportunity to take its hybrid war against Russia ever closer to its borders. As this report will show, it appears the CIA is determined to manifest a prophecy propagated by its own ranks over the past two years. This prediction from former and current intelligence officials dates from at least early 2020 and holds that a “transnational white supremacist network” with alleged ties to the Ukraine conflict will be the next global catastrophe to befall the world as the threat of Covid-19 recedes"
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-reports/ukraine-and-the-new-al-qaeda/
Posted by: htyul | Sep 16 2024 13:44 utc | 35
David | Sep 16 2024 13:18 utc | 26 " The truth doesn't have to be suppressed because it doesn't matter."
Yep. Though I think what we are seeing now is a divided US when it comes to the power structure/deep state.
"The Senate's leading Democrat just acknowledged on national television who is running the country." Putin also said similar in the Carlson interview not because of US TV but because three or four presidents he had dealt with had been over ruled by the CIA.
And that brings up Carlson and why Russia put so much much preparation into the interview. Carlson's old man running the VOA/CIA propaganda operation in Europe, Carlson applying to join the CIA.
Putin was speaking to the designated envoy of the CIA.
The two attempts on Trump although obvious deep state links, I doubt were CIA. Very amateurish. If it was CIA Trump would be dead.
The brits and the colonies have a close knitted monolithic deep state but in the US, it is factionalized. and now those factions have split.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 13:52 utc | 36
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 16 2024 12:44 utc | 19
Nazism/fascism will rise in Europe (just rising while I'm writing) but not because of Ukrainians, that are a minority, but because it's the only way that governments can keep a grasp on we peasants.
Do you really think that they can push the war with Russia idea without resorting to fascist government?
Posted by: Mario | Sep 16 2024 14:01 utc | 37
Bob | Sep 16 2024 13:37 utc | 32
Nationalist/Nazi number. Sometime after the start of the SMO, Jacques Baud wrote an article for the Postil Magazine. He is ex Swiss military intel and had been part of the Nato 'training' stuff in Ukraine. He said at the start of the SMO, nationalist volunteer formations numbered 100,000 and made up 40% of the Ukraine military.
How much it has changed since I have no idea, but that piece by Baud is one point where a solid number can be found.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 14:01 utc | 38
Attempted Trump assassin Ryan Routh had to get Trump's schedule detail enough to know when to go take his shots. How did that information get to him?
We have not seen the end of assassination attempts I expect. They are becoming normalized like the rest of the Might-Makes-Right world by the MSM.
Let me know when the God Of Mammon cult starts being assassinated. That would mean we are getting somewhere other than our current shit show.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 16 2024 14:05 utc | 39
Giyane, all welfare is "socialist". But every economy in the history of man has been blended. You're still brainwashed from the Cold War. Pfft.
Artedemos, you describe divide and conquer, Britain used it in all it's colonies. Put the minority in charge of a larger divided demos, and the instability will require colonial intervention to provide stability. It's an old playbook, Stalin knew what he was doing with Ukraine, the divided country would be divided a d this not a threat to Russia
Posted by: Scottindallas | Sep 16 2024 14:13 utc | 40
These are obvious paid CIA recruited operatives, both in Butler and Del Lago, attempting to assassinate DJT, because he is opposed to the continued funding of the Nazi government in Kieve.
So first it was the Vindman coup and the attempted impeachment, and now two assassination attempts. No doubt MI6 is assisting in this effort to kill Trump.....
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 16 2024 14:14 utc | 41
Attempted Trump assassin Ryan Routh had to get Trump's schedule detail enough to know when to go take his shots.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 16 2024 14:05 utc | 39
A number of similarities between this one and the previous clown. Both obvious drug mule types, and like drug mules are used by by smarter people, these two shooter mules had backing from power faction/s. Apart from when, the shooter mules had at least to know how and where to get close enough with a gun.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 14:14 utc | 42
Islam is something that is not indigenous to Britain. Nor is the great influx of muslims in recent decades.Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 13:36 utc | 31
Neither is the peaceful acceptance of an encroaching totalitarian state, but here we are, 4 1/2 years in the West's "new normal".
Oh the times, they're a-changin'...
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 16 2024 14:17 utc | 43
ThirdWorldDude | Sep 16 2024 14:17 utc | 43
The anglo world has generally accepted whatever their masters bestowed upon them.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 14:19 utc | 44
The US has a long history of arming and funding terrorist groups with the delusion that we can control them and use them against our enemies. We did this in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, and we're doing it in Ukraine with our full support of the neo-Nazis that control the Ukrainian military. But it always backfires, and we always lose control over them, partly because the frat boys in the WH who dream up these tactics graduated from Harvard and Yale, and they don't teach reality at those ivy league bordellos.
Posted by: Janet | Sep 16 2024 14:21 utc | 45
Re nazism in the west.
Neo-nazis have certainly became more visible due to the mass promotion of nazism in Ukraine and no doubt more have joined there ranks, but what we are also seeing is ordinary conservatives being labeled as far right and fascists.
Orban is exhibit A in that regard.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 14:24 utc | 46
Is this our daily distraction from the fact that the Ukronazis are moving deeper into Ukraine?
I thought they were being pushed out? Every day they become further entrenched. Why does b keep lying to us?
Posted by: Bartholomew Chubbins | Sep 16 2024 13:40 utc | 34
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Well at the moment the Urkris are running, not to say racing, towards Ukraine, especially the mercenaries among them, who make up the majority. They know full well that Russians do NOT take captured mercenaries and dispose of them on the spot. This is also one of the reasons why mercenaries avoid close combat with Russians at all costs. Real Ukrainians among the fighters usually only have one concern and problem: how to make the Russians surrender WITHOUT being shot in the back by these mercenaries.
How do I know this? Now there is Internet in Russia (Kursk) too, so you can Skype with normal Russians and native Ukrainians if you can speak Russian!
Posted by: ossi | Sep 16 2024 14:25 utc | 47
Once all this ends Russia will have same relationship with Ukraine like with Chechens today. After Ukrainians realise they were played by the west their fury deadly
I wish they had published the link for this but it conforms with other sources as to Ukraine moving towards extinction.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 16 2024 14:27 utc | 49
Sorry
The native Ukrainians among the fighters in Kursk only have one problem...how to surrender without being shot in the back by the mercenaries!
Posted by: ossi | Sep 16 2024 14:28 utc | 50
History repeats itself - so they say - and it looks like the rise of Nazism/Fascism across the West is happening again - its common knowledge the West sold materials to aid the Nazi's in World War II, and after the war was over - a plethora of Nazi's and fascists were welcomed into Western countries with open arms.
For years Nazism/Fascism - was if not stamped out, it was kept at bay - now along with Zionism another evil ideology - all, are on the rise - the Western media and its governments are trying desperately to make these evil ideologies acceptable to the citizens of the West - due to them backing the Neo-Nazi's in Ukraine, and the Zionists in occupied Palestine - but we must never ever accept these evil ideologies.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 16 2024 14:31 utc | 51
How did Ryan know that Trump would be playing golf at Del Lago.......the DJT decision to play on Sunday was last minute, and not on his schedule?
Obviously, this info was sent to Ryan by insiders in the FBI and the DSS........hello Houston you have a mole!
By the way Ryan has been attempting to recruit mercs for the Azov units in the UAF, has Harris/Walz stickers on his auto, and has numerous social media posts backing the demofascists........but of course there is no connection right Virginia?
The Butler shooter'ss cell phone has been tracked to DC near FBI HQ, all part of the big plan.............just like in the JFK hit, where the CIA and FBI failed in the first two attempts (due to last minute scheduling changes made by the POTUS staff).
Clear deep state attempts here...............
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 16 2024 14:41 utc | 53
"Re nazism in the west.
Neo-nazis have certainly became more visible due to the mass promotion of nazism in Ukraine and no doubt more have joined there ranks, but what we are also seeing is ordinary conservatives being labeled as far right and fascists.
Orban is exhibit A in that regard."
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 14:24 utc | 46
Its the old saw that the Political Pendulum swings too far too on each swing.
Take a simple glass of water-if there is too much acid (Left) one must add lye (Right) to bring it to a neutral 7 PH. And visa versa. Its drinkable.
Most sensible people, especially in the middle class, prefer the drinkable water in the political sense.
In the West the Pendulum has swung so far to the Left that in Intellectual Physics (TM) this precipitates for the 'center' to radicalize to the Right as the Pendulum violently swings the other way.
The laughable element is that traditionally the 'Left' was socialist and peace lovers but not war mongers and violent-now sides both are war mongers but the Left is more violent so as the Right movement grows so will the chance of a violent counter attack which could led to civil war.
PeterAU1 31
Lol. And was Crocodile Dundee indigenous to Australia?
Sorry sorry sorry. I am.joooooking.
Now he is the epitome of Australia.
Would Muslims ever come here if they didn't deep down inside , lerve the British Raj and its insane hypocrisy?
Sorry. 😊
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2024 14:53 utc | 55
Giyane | Sep 16 2024 14:53 utc | 55
Australia began as, and still is, a British colony. Still subjects of the English monarch.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 14:57 utc | 56
canuck | Sep 16 2024 14:50 utc | 54
Yeah. I would agree with that.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 15:00 utc | 57
The laughable element is that traditionally the 'Left' was socialist and peace lovers but not war mongers and violent-now sides both are war mongers but the Left is more violent ...
Posted by: canuck | Sep 16 2024 14:50 utc | 54
Wages of post modernist, group identity focused education
Posted by: frithguild | Sep 16 2024 15:00 utc | 58
Fourteen days to D-Day when the whole corrupt, fascist, house of cards in Kieve will collapse in giant dustpile......and Volo and his fellow scammers will flee to Haifa and their luxury condo's on the Med.
Volo's last stand will be his visit to DC, where he will desperately plead with the now mentally diminished Biden to allow him to start WWIII by attacking Moscow and St Petersburg.........he will fail, but he will also meet with Congressional leaders to further argue his case for the ability to trigger a general Euro war.
He will fail on both counts, and the battlefield situation will rapidly deteriorate. The Kursk salient has now become a huge fire bag, with the Road to Sumy becoming the Highway to Hell, a massive armored graveyard, as UAF units scramble to get back into Ukrainian territory before the main road is cut by the Chechen RF SOF. Armored UAF losses of all types including MBT's, IFV's, APC's, Humvee's, MRAP's, Stryker's, Marder's, Leopard's, Tank Retrievers, Mine Sweepers, 6x6 trucks, and technicals of over 1,000 vehicles, with 15,000 UAF Kia's and 20,000 UAF Mia's.........a complete destruction of an entire UAF field army....
and in the south numerous fronts inactive for a year are now very active..........the big RF push is on.....and the general collapse is at hand....
expect a Ukronazi black flag (with assistance from MI6) incident this week, most likely a staged attack on a Kieve hospital........... too late is all over but the crying and knashing of teeth........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 16 2024 15:01 utc | 59
Janet | Sep 16 2024 14:21 utc | 45--
Outlaw US Empire funding and training of Terrorists/Death Squads long predates Afghanistan as they were developed in Europe and South America at WW2's end. The Empire backed the OUN terror war in Soviet Ukraine even after it was mostly suppressed in the late 1950s. Previously in the 19th Century, such terrorists were called Filibusterers and employed in the Caribbean and Central America to further the Slave Power faction within the aggressive and growing Empire. Such actions were also employed during the war to steal Texas from Mexico. Other evidence of outrageous cruelty and terrorist actions are plentiful from the US Civil War. And of course, there's the long reign of terror aimed at former slaves mostly but not exclusively in the South. And I'd be remiss not to mention the massive amounts of Terror used during Vietnam where Mi Lai was the norm not the exception.
I strongly suspect that when it's over and the balance sheets are all tabulated, this will have been another amazing windfall for the cabals that profit from genocide and war. IE via arms sales, military investment and the resulting inflation of commodities. I also suspect that this paradigm is well known to the opposition and that it will necessarily have to be addressed by the Resistance.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 16 2024 15:04 utc | 61
Sorry for the typo.....should read "20,000 UAF Wia's", not "Mia's"..........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 16 2024 15:05 utc | 62
Tobias Cole | Sep 16 2024 15:01 utc | 59
I knew the comedian of Kiev was heading to Washington but not when. Everything hinges on that trip. The stripping of the old fronts to maintain offensives in Kursk is a last desperate gamble, so similar to what you say, to me that trip is make or break time for the MI6 asset.
Similar for the Brits who have banked everything on this.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 15:09 utc | 63
Overall I must endorse this post by b. I must add, given the extensive contacts between the US military officers running the Ukrainian theater of the war against Russia and their fascist friends, there is almost certainly a powerful fascist trend within the US officer corps, and in the security services, as well as in the police forces all across the US. Given the bipartisan commitment to servicing the military budget, and especially given the often proffered excuse the generals defied Trump's pacifist overtures, this should be a wakeup call, though a glance at the comments suggest it won't be. Most Trumpers are on board with the love of generals in the civilian administration, giant military budgets, and criticism of general officers for liberalism (!) suggest they are just more cryptofascists/fascist fellow travelers, like their Tin God. The Deep State theorists never include the officer corps in their conspiracy theories. To be absurdly fair, that may reflect how wearing uniforms and insignia isn't "Deep," but out front and obvious. They resent that the army didn't move into the Democratic cities before the election in 2020 and didn't openly support 1/6!
By the way, the Jewish Barash in Azov is a little reminder that Ukrainian fascism is not precisely Nazi fascism. Barash lives in the overlap between Zionism and fascism. (If you think open dictatorship is an essential part of "fascism," then Zionism is "merely" fascism-adjacent like Jim Crow/KKK style racism in the US.)
Seeing how so many Trumpers have arbitrarily concluded the other guy was a cultural Marxist or whatever demon they imagine, I'm afraid no doubt many will find this guy is "really" an agent of liberals. My thought is that Routh is just another boob who takes Trump's secret peace plan seriously, not a direct agent. And his previous encounters with police have not put him in jail because so many police sympathize with his right-wing aspirations.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 16 2024 15:12 utc | 64
That guy was also a Trump supporter until recently, and has had 20 years of bizarre behavior and run-ins with the law. His recent support for Ukraine feels like whatever came up on the Wheel of Fortune for him recently.
And those Azov fighters would not have gained that fighting experience had there been no invasion to fight.
Posted by: Inka | Sep 16 2024 15:16 utc | 65
Peter AU1 (56).
Indeed Australian PM Gough Whitlam - was illegally removed from office by the Queen of England's Governor General in Australia in 1975.
Today Australia can't put its armed forces out - without US help such is its dependence on the US - Australian will pay dearly for the AUKUS deal as well -whilst new Radomes are situated in Pine Gap to monitor China - effectively Australians, have allow the USA to make Australia a first strike country - whilst destroying their economy - by cutting trade with China right down - to appease their US masters.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 16 2024 15:17 utc | 66
Republicofscotland | Sep 16 2024 15:17 utc | 66
Yep.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 15:20 utc | 67
Well we have Sebtemper, about 4 weeks left, with luck 6 weeks, and on the front every step, every meter forward is torture. Because none of you has even mentioned the mud season in a single sentence.
If Russia is planning anything else then in the next 3 to 4 weeks nothing will be able to get through the mud of the black earth.
A very short window of time considering what is happening right now, if Sylenski attacks the Russian hinterland, perhaps because of the effect on civilian targets or nuclear power plants, then there will be NO time left for a counterattack against NATO in Europe because there would be no more advance. Therefore a counterattack would only be possible outside of the Ukraine outside of Europe.
From the end of October the front will come to a halt, which is why the Russians on the Eastern Front are trying to reach areas with motorways and roads. Roads that allow an advance. Anyone who knows Ukraine will know that the areas that were recently fought over have no major roads. Village streets in Russia, especially country roads, are potholed deserts and in the rain it is almost impossible to negotiate with a 4x4 without hundreds of tracked vehicles finishing it off. That is why the logistics center must fall to this area. From there, asphalt roads and rails lead west. This would ease the mud season somewhat as far as making progress is concerned. The Dnieper, the next major river, is best crossed in winter. I myself crossed this river in 1999 and 2011 with a truck in winter and for the locals that is the most normal thing in the world! So the Russian army must find ways to advance to the river by January/February or wait until around March/April 2025.
Posted by: ossi | Sep 16 2024 15:22 utc | 68
So the Russian army must find ways to advance to the river by January/February or wait until around March/April 2025.
ossi | Sep 16 2024 15:22 utc | 68
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 15:26 utc | 69
Also, it hurts the website's credibility to use tweets from someone crazy enough to actually believe Trump's lies about "stolen" elections, like Simplicious.
Posted by: Inka | Sep 16 2024 15:27 utc | 70
@65
Where you been?
Those local Ukraine Nazis and Euro volunteers have been gaining combat experience in Donbas since 2014.
Nazis bad, worse when run by CIA
Posted by: paddy | Sep 16 2024 15:29 utc | 71
RT
President Putin has signed a decree increasing the number of Russian military personnel to 2.4 million. This follows a similar decision in December 2023. Peskov calls the move a response to the West's "proxy war" and NATO expansion.
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President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin has signed a decree officially increasing the personnel strength of the Russian Armed Forces to almost 2.4 million, including 1.5 million soldiers. The document was published on the website of the official announcement of legal acts. The decree states:
"I decree: 1. To set the personnel strength of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at 2,389,130 units, including 1,500,000 soldiers."
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When the president last increased the number of Russian troops, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the move was the result of the "proxy war" the West is waging against Moscow.
An innocent sentence from Putin triggers an earthquake in the West
Analysis
An innocent sentence from Putin triggers an earthquake in the West
"The security of our country must of course be guaranteed. This is related to the war that the countries of the Collective West are waging. A proxy war that includes elements of indirect participation in military actions as well as elements of economic war, financial war, legal war, exceeding the legal framework and so on."
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We must prepare for an attack by NATO, the West, all signs point to a war, even if there are elites who assume a war in Europe, the USA should be clear that for us they belong to Europe in terms of opponents.
Posted by: ossi | Sep 16 2024 15:31 utc | 72
Routh was a random nutjob, with crude methods. So was the one before. So were the two chicks who shot at Ford. So was Hinckley. If the CIA or UKR CIA wanted to take down Trump, they'd be way more professional at it.
Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 16 2024 15:32 utc | 74
Dmitry Medvedevhttps://x.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1835568435784187913
@MedvedevRussiaE
I wonder what would happen
if it turned out that the failed new Trump shooter Routh, who recruited mercenaries for the Ukrainian army, was himself hired by the neo-nazi regime in Kiev for this assassination attempt?
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2024 15:37 utc | 75
Don't underestimate the battle hardened Russians, Chechyan, and maybe some honorable Ukies that come out of this war - some of them will still want revenge on these Nazi bastards and will gladly chase those bastards to the borders of the cutthroat Pollacks , Moldovan etc. And if they get some Serious Support, as in Mr Kinzhal, some Gunships etc. - they will turn the tables on some of these Nato Isis guys thaat think the Borderland is their playground.
Posted by: GMC | Sep 16 2024 15:40 utc | 76
Shall we ever be able to know who ordered Kursk offensive, UK, USA or Sirsky?
Posted by: vargas | Sep 16 2024 15:42 utc | 77
Didn't know trucks could be driven on the river during winter. So guess that is how Odessa will be taken
Amazing text over the future of EU
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2024/09/the-eu-retreats-further-into-a-world-of-self-delusion.html
Posted by: vargas | Sep 16 2024 15:43 utc | 79
PeterAU1 56
Over the boulders
And under the stones
The Bushman wanders
Always alone.
But know my love
And know, and always know
There'll be soft landings
Where you go.
Written by a madman while taking a long hard look at life, and deciding not to always do whatever everybody else wants you to do.
But look after the immortal soul and fulfil her right to worship Her Creator.
Australia was born many millennia before White logic arrived, and will remain long after White logic has gone.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2024 15:43 utc | 80
Is this evidence the Trump assassin was a CIA asset?
https://x.com/Cancelcloco/status/1835513228560114015
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 16 2024 15:47 utc | 81
…… It is planned to stage a Russian missile strike on a children's institution on Kiev-controlled territory - a hospital or kindergarten - with a large number of victims. Extensive media coverage of this tragedy is envisaged with the involvement of leading international media.…….
During the War to Destroy Yugoslavia, false flags were a routine part of Washington’s toolkit. Typically the victims were neutralist or anti-war. It took me many years to finally understand the pattern.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2024 15:49 utc | 82
Concerning the so called Trump assassination attempt, one consistency between the two shooters is being completely ignored. That they were both Republicans committed to their perception of the ideology. This inconvenient truth runs against the Maga meme, that the Deep State is somehow afraid of Trump and is out to get him. But the evidence is far more conclusive that what's happening is precisely what B is talking about in this thread. That the Right Wing kooks that Trump has found so useful simply did what they are known to do, use violence when they don't get their way. Poetic justice in other words. The FBI agrees. One of Trumps newest detractors is Dick Cheney. Just saying. I can see why Pres Putin prefers the Dems. They're the straight guy in this comedy.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 16 2024 15:51 utc | 83
Trump’s second attempted assassin, Ryan Routh, Is in an AZOV commercial at 1:49.The first assassin, Thomas Matthew Crooks, was in a BlackRock commercial.
Same talent agency?
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For an idiot Giuliani asks a good question:
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Some guy on Twitter reposted on some TG I can't find again made a funny:
"I'm voting for the guy they keep trying to kill."
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2024 15:56 utc | 84
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 16 2024 15:43 utc | 80
How about the Bushman poem in iambic pentameter:
Over the boulders, under stones he roams,
The Bushman wanders, always far from homes.
Yet know, my love, and hold this truth in heart,
Soft landings wait wherever you depart.
"Routh was a random nutjob, with crude methods. So was the one before. So were the two chicks who shot at Ford. So was Hinckley. If the CIA or UKR CIA wanted to take down Trump, they'd be way more professional at it."
Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 16 2024 15:32 utc | 74
I disagree.
Those two jokers weren't CIA sponsored I agree, however, the truth is more subtle than that.
CIA, SS et al know about 98% of the nutters out there-so it is not that they create them it is they let them through the net...and assigning DEI SS to Trump.
And, in America they are plenty of nutjobs and as we know everbody and his dog have a gun...
It is misleading to think that Nazism/Fascism is on the rise in Europe. The reality is that it never went away. WWII was not, from the Allies’ leaders (apart from the Russians) “a war against fascism”. They may have used that sentiment to rally populations among whom there genuinely were anti-fascists ready to fight and die for the cause.
But, had the western Allies wanted to nip fascism and its later bastard Nazism in the bud, it had since the 1920s to start doing so. Instead the western allies ignored Mussolini and his Abyssinian campaign and positively assisted the fascists and Nazis against democratic Spain. Only Russia helped the infant Spanish democracy by sending arms of which it had relatively few. This Russian weakness was the self-preserving basis of the Russian/Nazi pact.
Russia defeated the Nazis (over 75% of Nazi materiel was destroyed on the Eastern Front and not by the Western allies). That the western allies were not opposed to Nazism/fascism as a matter of principled ideology, is evidenced, inter alia, by the fact that the US didn’t enter the war until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, its hand-sitting over Spain and during 1943 and 1944, realising that the Axis powers were going to lose, making sure that as many Nazis and hangers-on, had safe harbour in the the US, Canada and the UK. They were to help in the coming fight against Russia.
In Italy, after its surrender and the end of the war, it looked likely that communists would be elected. Instead, the west, principally the USA, installed the Mafia and right-wing governments. The same in Greece.
In Germany, Adenauer’s post war government had several Nazis in it and through out Germany, at local level, Nazis remained powerful albeit somewhat discrete. The whole Baader-Meinhoff campaign was a direct result of the failure to expunge the body politic of fascism. Same with the Red Brigade.
So now, all we’re seeing is the continuance of the fascist ideology, now perpetrated by the mainstream political parties, with grandiose names like Democrat or Republican, Labour or Conservative but in reality, still peddling the same fascist shit as before and subjugating the world’s majority to starvation and war, while they kak themselves when their bullies threaten the peace-haven societies and violence becomes real to them.
Posted by: Vragtes | Sep 16 2024 16:01 utc | 87
"Is this our daily distraction from the fact that the Ukronazis are moving deeper into Ukraine?"
Posted by: Bartholomew Chubbins | Sep 16 2024 13:40 utc | 34
What does this even mean? "moving deeper into Ukraine" sounds like they're fleeing the front for remote parts of western Ukraine.
Posted by: nazcalito | Sep 16 2024 16:01 utc | 88
ossi | Sep 16 2024 15:22 utc | 68--
Joe | Sep 16 2024 15:42 utc | 78--
I've been watching the slow advance of Russian troops onto the islands South of Kherson in the delta region for the past several weeks where recon units have explored the West bank area. The Dnieper does freeze over in places solid enough for vehicles to transit, but the delta area doesn't usually do so, although river flow is usually slower. After the debacle at Krinke, Ukie troops in the region have been continually attritted while the sector is also seen as "quiet" by Ukie command and has thus siphoned off troops to other parts of the front. It's clear from intel that NATO desires Odessa and wants Kiev to hold it, and pragmatically it's just as clear that Russia must liberate Odessa as IMO it's more important than Kiev.
i agree with your conclusion at the end b... thanks for the report...
Posted by: james | Sep 16 2024 16:03 utc | 90
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 16 2024 15:51 utc | 83
As a non Maerican I am always surprised by the logical pretzels your populace will twist yourselves into in order to evade the truth staring you in the face.
The supposed assassin is indeed a clown, but a red white and blue one who so passionately believes in the Ukraine disaster he would have tried to kill any candidate opposing it. Kinda exactly what b is talking about.
Demorats and republicunts are irrelevant here. The support for Ukraine is the primary thing, his obvious motivator. Something you might call hella inconvenient for the dogs of war. They're looking pretty mangy and covered in blood and excrement anyway. Maybe you Maericans would do the world a favor and pull them in? Your crazy is getting too big to fail.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 16 2024 16:05 utc | 91
“Take a simple glass of water-if there is too much acid (Left) one must add lye (Right) to bring it to a neutral 7 PH. And visa versa. Its drinkable.”
Posted by: canuck | Sep 16 2024 14:50 utc | 54
No, you’re going to get undrinkable salty water. It’ll be sodium something, probably chloride or sulfate .
Posted by: nazcalito | Sep 16 2024 16:06 utc | 92
Sorry -B-
Not buying any of the stupid narratives around a non-existent “assassination attempt” x2 these days.
Clearly BS propaganda with more “actors” (Note: Rumor has it, both these “assassin” folks were found in commercials funded by Blackrock, and this rambling on “assassin ” clearly has awesome acting skills). Trumps campaign trying to stay relevant is all after losing poll %s.
Have the public, even Russia, talk about anything other than:
1) The war is lost
2) USA U.S. bankrupt
As for the NAZI’s on the move, that I can get behind. However, in looking at the Canada salute, if we were to drill down, it wouldn’t be so much “migrant” NAZI infiltration in Europe as more honestly, the unmasking and emboldened NAZI’s that have been quietly there till now. Now they’ve been given a “space” to rise again, under the guise of “Ukraine”…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 16 2024 16:06 utc | 93
@ Vragtes | Sep 16 2024 16:01 utc | 87
thanks.. good post..
Posted by: james | Sep 16 2024 16:06 utc | 94
If it wasn't clear, the idiotic homophobic post on the troll thread wasn't me. But it appears I have been banned? Well, I guess the terrorists win. The comment I just submitted I won't reconstitute.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 16 2024 16:09 utc | 95
Securing coal mines in the Donbass before winter sets in is a reasonable objective for the RF. And it has real-world impact, unlike a forest patch in Kursk.
Every lump of coal taken away from UKraine can't be used to heat a Ukrainian in Kiev, Lviv, or Odessa.
Of course, the West can divert coal from England, Wales, or Poland. But that just screws their own citizens. And it doesn't help Ukraine's rapidly shrinking GDP. Imports reduce GDP.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 16 2024 16:11 utc | 96
During the War to Destroy Yugoslavia, false flags were a routine part of Washington’s toolkit. Typically the victims were neutralist or anti-war. It took me many years to finally understand the pattern.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 16 2024 15:49 utc | 82
Good point. Took me a while, too. Peter Gowan's articles at New Left Review helped, along with Diana Johnstone's great "Fools Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO, and Western Delusions." Well-timed false flag attacks were crucial in pulling NATO into the Bosnian conflict.
Posted by: dadooronron | Sep 16 2024 16:11 utc | 97
@ Jo | Sep 16 2024 12:28 utc | 14
another good post... thank you..
Posted by: james | Sep 16 2024 16:12 utc | 98
Vragtes | Sep 16 2024 16:01 utc | 87--
Quite correct. The Outlaw US Empire kept Nazism alive and well. Lavrov today described the Outlaw US Empire as Totalitarian:
... that George Orwell had a rich imagination and historical foresight. But even he could not imagine what a totalitarian state would look like. He described some of its contours, but failed to penetrate the depths of the totalitarianism that we now see within the framework of the "rules-based order."
There were other points raised in his presser today that make it worthy of translating and posting at my substack.
Posted by: james | Sep 16 2024 16:06 utc | 93
Thanks for the thanks, James. Thanks also for your many genuine posts. Your insights are powerful, so powerful in fact that your moniker is often stolen. But the theives’ posts are so lamentably poor, it’s easy to spot the fakes! Please keep posting!
Posted by: Vragres | Sep 16 2024 16:13 utc | 100
The comments to this entry are closed.
It seems reasonable to add this report here
Posted by: too scents | Sep 16 2024 10:15 utc | 1