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U.S. Government Media Debunks Ukrainian Propaganda Claim
This is curious.
Ukraine's General Staff confirms destruction of Russian arsenal containing Iranian missiles in Volgograd Oblast – Pravda.ua
Ukraine’s defence forces hit a Russian depot used to store and upgrade missile and artillery weaponry near the village of Kotluban in Russia’s Volgograd Oblast on the night of 28-29 September.
Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook
Quote: "According to the available information, a train carrying Iranian missiles had arrived at the arsenal the day before the strike. The military facility was heavily protected by electronic warfare and air defence systems, but our units successfully accomplished the combat objective. A fire is raging and ammunition is exploding on the arsenal's premises."
Details: The operation was reportedly carried out by the Unmanned Systems Forces in cooperation with units of the Special Operations Forces, Defence Intelligence, and the Security Service of Ukraine.
The General Staff said the defence forces continue to weaken Russia’s military capabilities.
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(((Tendar))) @Tendar – 8:11 UTC · Sep 29, 2024
Overnight, special forces of the Ukrainian army struck the Russian ammunition depot of Kotluban, Volgograd region. Iranian ballistic missile parts and launchers were stored at the site, according to Andriy Kovalenko.
Pictures from locals and the NASA FIRMS map confirm that a fire is ongoing at this site.
Like all GRAU Arsenal site, Kotluban' is located along main rail line. You will see increasingly those rail lines (yellow) marked on my maps. 4 Images
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A few hours later:
Satellite image shows missile arsenal in Russia's Volgograd Oblast intact following Ukrainian strike – Pravda.ua
Radio Liberty has released a satellite image showing that a missile and artillery arsenal targeted by a Ukrainian drone strike near the village of Kotluban in Russia’s Volgograd Oblast was not hit.
Source: Radio Liberty
Details: The satellite image, dated 29 September, shows that a fire broke out near the arsenal of the Russian Defence Ministry’s Main Missile and Artillery Directorate as a result of the Ukrainian drone strike, but the blaze did not spread to the premises of the ammunition depot.
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Of interest here is that Radio Liberty (Radio Svoboda), a U.S. government funded propaganda outlet in Russian and other languages, is debunking the false claim by the Ukrainian army.
Is that a warning to not go overboard with such fake victory announcements?
What will the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine think of such 'treachery'?
So yes, RUAF is moving slow due to constant re-calibrating of fire support and logistic, most likely.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 30 2024 23:36 utc | 121
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 30 2024 23:26 utc | 119
It’s commonly believed that cats play with their prey, before killing it, the truth is the ‘play’ people observe is the cat weighing up the right moment to strike. A premature close, might risk injury that whilst not immediately life-threatening could result in the cat being unable to survive. Thanks to the fusion of ISR to 21st century platforms, any dominant force is in the same situation. Russia is in the same situation, winning operationally, but losing strategically is their nightmare scenario.
Given Ukraine’s inability to wrest and maintain the operational initiative, I’d say the following.
50% haircut for Russian claims.
1/3rd of Ukrainian soldiers are combat capable, the remainder territorial units (less good troops, now due to the impact of PR ops and over-extending offensives)
Drones+Western ISR is a 50% force multiplier bonus
So 600K with only 150-200k capable of doing anything but defend, seems to fit the picture quite well. This latter group are constantly being diluted by raw recruits, though veteran brigades can somewhat counter the degrading effect due to the core survivors. The reservists are at a near constant, as replacements are far more rapidly created by successive enforced mobilisations.
The trouble for Ukraine is the game is changing, or more accurately Russia is changing it. The reservists are losing the force-multiplier, vital to the strategies coherence, of fixed fortifications. Witness the wings collapsing around Ugledar, a situation that will get worse, especially as the regular reserves are being attrited. So take care with predicted timelines, but do agree the real situation is being revealed by the respective capabilities of the two sides.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 30 2024 23:55 utc | 122
So I’ll have to go for H2? That means the clober list as collected below stands for KIA or probaly WIA as good as dead (not coming back)
So… I’ll I’ve to go with (until proven wrong) with H2, so AFU still has 630.000 able bodied troops. So RF had 121.000 KIA for AFU’s 404.000 KIA and a 3.338 Kill Ratio.
Everybody, say goodbye to the RF numbers undercuting true caasualties or being only KIA.
As a second interesting point, western media and actors SOMETIMES say the truth, in a way that looks good but the truth. Same goes for AFU with their numbers. I’ll explain. At the really start of the SMO AFU estimated RF kills, but soon started using anything hit, so 1 in 6 is a good estimate of true KIA, and in july some american general mentioned 100k KIA the rest wounded (and many recovered of course), it fit’s that model.
Here are my numbers, if anyone comes knoking on my door I’ll know they’re good 😀 (already formated, copy paste to a csv file and open in excel, should work)
sep=,
Column,28/02/2022,31/03/2022,30/04/2022,31/05/2022,30/06/2022,31/07/2022,31/08/2022,30/09/2022,31/10/2022,30/11/2022,31/12/2022,31/01/2023,28/02/2023,31/03/2023,30/04/2023,31/05/2023,30/06/2023,31/07/2023,31/08/2023,30/09/2023,31/10/2023,30/11/2023,31/12/2023,31/01/2024,29/02/2024,31/03/2024,30/04/2024,31/05/2024,30/06/2024,31/07/2024,31/08/2024,30/09/2024
RFKIA,5300,10200,950,1217,850,872,1178,1863,2123,2843,2847,3590,3623,4020,2858,2900,3405,2975,2805,2518,3780,4658,5078,4333,4755,4735,4425,6488,5842,5903,6138,6352
AFUKIAredux,4615,13648,4340,6575,8401,6598,6266,8887,7157,4587,3315,4003,5588,7522,7815,8855,16068,10630,11048,9623,11423,10058,21043,11658,16135,15285,14710,21103,27558,30315,33899,35650
So with official numbers we get something plausible KIA and casualties, permanent and recoverable.
Add some information about starting size, recruitment (already did) and you get a full picture, if you want I can give you , just need time to clean it up and format as csv.
Hope you like it.
P.S. unimperator, sorry, lot of respect but can’t get your input to fit
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 1 2024 0:41 utc | 129
Posted by: Lundi’s Bonbon | Sep 30 2024 11:09 utc | 211
Unrelated with Ukraine but Vladimir Putin would seem giving Abkhazia and South Ossetia up, just like he gave Artsakh up in 2023.
a new commenter = a new CIPSO agent
other CIPSO agents gratefully take up the lie
politica refers to :
Speaking Sunday at a press conference at the U.N. General Assembly in New York, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov insisted that an agreement to resolve the decades-long standoff in the South Caucasus country was possible.
quotes Lavrov as follows:
“They have said that they want historical reconciliation,” Lavrov said of the ruling Georgian Dream party. “What form this reconciliation takes is up to the states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia to decide … If there is interest from all sides in normalizing these relations … we are ready to help.”
here the original !!!
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to media questions following the High-Level Week of the 79th session of the UN General Assembly, New York, September 28, 2024
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1972854/
“…..Question: Today, you have mentioned Georgia in your remarks. What is your comment on the latest Georgian official statements that after all the [08.08.2008] war was started by Mikheil Saakashvili? Do you think it possible and realistic that Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia would reach some new understandings?
Sergey Lavrov: It is clear that the current Georgian leaders are honest in their assessments of the past. They said in so many words that they wanted a historical reconciliation. It is up to the countries in question – Abkhazia and South Ossetia – to decide in what aspect and form it could take place. Some contacts are inevitable anyway. We (provided the sides are interested) will be ready to help, if all the parties concerned display an interest in normalising relations and securing non-aggression agreements so that no one conceives the desire [to breach them]. That the war was launched by Mr Saakashvili was a fact known to everyone with the exception, perhaps, of our Western colleagues and Ms Salome Zourabichvili, the current Georgian President.
Right after the 2008 events, the EU ordered an investigation, which was conducted by Hon. Heidi Tagliavini of Switzerland. It was written in black and white in her report that all of that had been the initiative of Mr Saakashvili. There is even no need to be surprised.
politico is already a flimsy source; then refers to another source:
https://oc-media.org/who-we-are/
“…In 2023, our spending was financed from the following sources:…”
– 9 % dutch embassy
– 43 % EED
– 40,8 % NED
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OC_Media
OC Media receives funding from different organizations and institutions as well as their readers. It has received funding from organizations such as UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung, Open Society Foundations, the National Endowment for Democracy, the European Endowment for Democracy, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic, and the Thomson Reuters Foundation.[3]
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about armenia:
European Council
Press remarks by President Charles Michel following the trilateral meeting with President Aliyev of Azerbaijan and Prime Minister Pashinyan of Armenia, 14.05.2022
“…On border issues, we reviewed progress and the next steps regarding the delimitation of the border. In this context, the leaders agreed on the resumption of the bilateral meetings on border issues. The leaders confirmed their unequivocal commitment to the 1991 Almaty Declaration and the respective territorial integrity of Armenia (29,800 km2) and Azerbaijan (86,600 km2). The ultimate delimitation of the border will be agreed through negotiations…”
Plenary session of the 8th Eastern Economic Forum, 12.09.2023
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/72259
Ilya Doronov: Mr President, I will now ask you about Armenia. A year ago, Nikol Pashinyan was on this stage, and I saw you talking on the sidelines. You appeared to be having a perfectly normal conversation.
Now, we are reading about the Armenian-US exercises that started yesterday, I believe. Pashinyan’s wife travelled to Kiev. The Speaker of the Armenian Parliament made very unfavourable remarks about our Foreign Ministry.
Where does this pivot in Armenia’s politics come from? How will this affect the situation on the border with Azerbaijan? And where could this ultimately lead Armenia?
Vladimir Putin: I do not think there has been any turnaround to speak of. We see and understand what is happening. You know, there is a lot I can say on this subject. We proposed a number of settlement solutions.
Frankly – and I think it is a well-known fact – Armenia controlled seven districts that it gained control of after the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict in question. We proposed that an agreement is reached with Azerbaijan in a way that two districts – Kalbajar and Lachin – remain within Armenia’s jurisdiction, as well as the entire Karabakh. However, the Armenian leadership did not agree to this, even though we tried to persuade them to do so for 10 or even 15 years. There were several options, but they all came down to this. When asked what they were going to do, they said they were going to fight. Well, all right.
In the end, everything has ended in the state of affairs we are seeing today. But it is not just about the outcomes of the recent conflict; it is also about the fact that the Armenian leadership has essentially -–well, not essentially, but effectively – recognised Azerbaijan’s sovereignty over Karabakh and documented it in the Prague declaration.
Truth be told, we are aware of this. Now, President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev is telling us: you are aware that Armenia has acknowledged the fact that Karabakh is our territory, and that the status of Karabakh is no longer a relevant issue. It has been resolved. The Armenian leaders have publicly stated this and acknowledged that the territory as of before 1991 that includes Karabakh – they provided the figures – is part of Azerbaijan. This has effectively taken place, and it was not our decision; it is the decision made by today’s Armenian leadership. And if that is the case, they tell us, you should resolve any outstanding Karabakh-related issues with us on a bilateral basis. Well, what can we say? There is nothing we can say. If Armenia itself has recognised Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, what can we do?
Of course, there are other issues related to the humanitarian aspect and the mandate of our peacekeepers. This is true. The mandate is still in effect. The humanitarian questions, including the prevention of ethnic cleansing, have remained unresolved, and I fully agree with that. I hope that the Azerbaijani leadership – they have always told us so and continue to say so – is not interested in ethnic cleansing. Moreover, on the contrary, they are interested in having this process unfold smoothly.
Ilya Doronov: How justified, do you think, are Yerevan’s claims to the effect that Russia and the CSTO failed to help, and the Nagorno-Karabakh siege has not been lifted, either, which led to a humanitarian disaster?
Vladimir Putin: Since Armenia has recognised Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, what is there to discuss? This is the key aspect of the issue. Armenia determined the status of Karabakh itself. That is all there is to it.
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it should also be mentioned that armenia has NEVER recognized Nagorno-Karabakh !!!
Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 1 2024 9:34 utc | 146
Today’s Russian Defence Ministry update on the SMO:
Russian Defence Ministry reports on the progress of the special military operation (1 October 2024)
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation.
In Liptsy and Volchansk directions, the Sever Group of Forces inflicted losses on formations of the 57th Motorised Infantry Brigade of the AFU, 36th Marine Brigade, and 113th Territorial Defence Brigade near Liptsy, Volchansk, and Volchanskye Khutora (Kharkov region).
The AFU losses amounted to up to 95 troops, two armoured fighting vehicles, and three motor vehicles. One field ammunition depot was destroyed.
The Zapad Group of Forces liberated Vishnevoye (Kharkov region).
Moreover, Russian units inflicted damage on manpower and materiel 4th, 53rd, 60th mechanised brigades, 4th Tank Brigade, and 117th Territorial Defence Brigade near Stavki, Yampol (Donetsk People’s Republic), Lozovaya (Kharkov region), and Nevskoye (Lugansk People’s Republic).
Two counter-attacks launched by assault groups of 14th and 116th mechanised brigades of the AFU were repelled. The AFU losses amounted to up to 410 troops, five motor vehicles, a U.S.-made 155-mm M777 howitzer, a UK-made 155-mm FH-70 howitzer, two 122-mm D-30 howitzers, two U.S.-made 105-mm M119 guns, and an Anklav-N electronic warfare station. Two ammunition depots were wiped out.
The Yug Group of Forces took more advantageous lines and hit formations of 24th, 58th, 72nd mechanised brigades, 56th Motorised Infantry Brigade, 143rd Infantry Brigade of the AFU, and 119th Territorial Defence Brigade near Razliv, Konstantinovka, Fyodorovka, Zaliznyanskoye, and Mayskoye of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
One counter-attack launched by a unit of the 5th Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was repelled. The AFU losses amounted to up to 900 troops, five motor vehicles, U.S.-made 155-mm M777 and M198 howitzers, a 152-mm Akatsiya self-propelled artillery system, a 152-mm D-20 gun, a 122-mm D-30 howitzer, and a UK-made 105-mm L-119 howitzer. One ammunition depot was wiped out.
The Tsentr Group of Forces liberated Krutoy Yar of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
Moreover, the Group’s units damaged manpower and materiel of 47th, 151st mechanised brigades, 95th Air Assault Brigade, 68th Jaeger Brigades, 109th, 116th, 119th territorial defence brigades, 12th and 15th National Guard Brigades near Selidovo, Dzerzhinsk, Nikolayevka, Lysovka, Sukhaya Balka, Druzhba, and Shevchenko (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Nine counter-attacks launched by assault groups of the 28th, 47th, 150th, 151st, 154th mechanised brigades and 25th Airborne Brigade of the AFU were repelled. The AFU losses amounted to up to 635 troops, a U.S.-made M113 armoured personnel carrier, three armoured fighting vehicles, two motor vehicles, a 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, three 152-mm D-20 guns, and two 122-mm D-30 howitzers.
The Vostok Group of Forces improved the tactical situation and delivered strikes at manpower and hardware of the AFU 58th Motorised Infantry Brigade, 127th Territorial Defence Brigade near Dobrovolye, Zolotaya Niva, and Rovnopol of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
Two counter-attacks launched by assault groups of the 72nd Mechanised Brigade of the AFU were repelled. The enemy lost up to 125 troops, a tank, an infantry fighting vehicle, six motor vehicles, a Polish-made 155-mm Krab self-propelled artillery system, and a 122-mm D-30 howitzer. Two ammunition depots were wiped out.
The Dnepr Group of Forces inflicted losses on formations of the 35th Marine Brigade, 39th Coastal Defence Brigade, and 124th Territorial Defence Brigade near Malaya Tokmachka (Zaporozhye region), Antonovka (Kherson region), and Kherson.
The AFU losses amounted to up to 60 troops, three motor vehicles, and an Anklav-N electronic warfare station. Three AFU field ammunition depots were destroyed.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, and Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces engaged AFU manpower and hardware clusters in 128 areas.
Air defence units shot down three U.S.-made ATACMS tactical missiles, three U.S.-made HIMARS rockets, and 31 Ukrainian fixed-wing unmanned aerial vehicles.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 646 aircraft, 283 helicopters, 32,558 unmanned aerial vehicles, 579 anti-aircraft missile systems, 18,468 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,469 MLRS combat vehicles, 15,450 field artillery guns and mortars, and 26,765 units of support military vehicles have been neutralised.
Might be at variance with the Ukrainian sub-contractor “Deep State” posted earlier.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Oct 1 2024 15:23 utc | 170
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