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September 3, 2024
Ukraine – Russian Missile Strike Hits Swedish Instructors

A Russian missile strike on the Ukrainian Military Institute of Communications in Poltava has at least killed 41 and wounded two hundreds. Other sources claim higher numbers.

Poltava is about 120 kilometer from the Russian border. The warning times after the missile launch was allegedly too short for everyone to reach the bunkers.

The Institute of Communications is training radio and radar operators. Its main multi-story building has been completely destroyed.

Britta Ellwanger, a (former?) Swedish volunteer with the Ukrainian army wrote that Swedish friends of hers, also volunteering with the Ukrainian army, were among those who died in the strike.


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Sweden had promised to gift two Swedish AWACS planes to Ukraine:

Sweden has announced sending its Saab 340B AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning and Control) aircraft to Kyiv, as per an announcement made by its defense ministry on May 29, 2024.

Given the nature of the Institute of Communications in Poltava it is likely that the Swedes were training Ukrainian operators for those.

One wonders why the training was not held elsewhere.

The Swedes should have remembered the history of that city:

The Battle of Poltava[e] (8 July 1709) was the decisive and largest battle of the Great Northern War. The Russian army under the command of Tsar Peter I defeated the Swedish army under the command of Carl Gustaf Rehnskiöld. The battle put an end to the status of the Swedish Empire as a European great power, as well as its eastbound expansion, and marked the beginning of Russian supremacy in eastern Europe.

Swedish and NATO attempts to change that status of Russia in eastern Europe more than 300 years after it had been achieved has ended in failure.

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European Catholics, for example
Catholics, unlike Protestants, do not read a book even if they are threatened with death; they would rather die than read a book
so their minds were freer of the biblical toxic, although the Church of Rome was nothing more than Sadducean priestly Judaism 2.0
Well, now (ca. 2025) in the heads of most Catholics the Dominant Software has been installed, and if their grandparents were enthusiasts of the ferocity of German fascism, now their grandchildren are enthusiasts of Jewish fascism.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 4 2024 9:02 utc | 301

Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize purely on the basis of becoming elected US President. He was inaugurated 20 January 2009, and the nomination deadline for the 2009 Peace Price was 31. January 2009.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 5:29 utc | 286
No, Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize purely on the basis of being black. Period.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 4 2024 10:15 utc | 302

from Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 4 2024 0:19 utc | 250
“…But if you lurk here long enough you can (mostly) pick a garbage post within a sentence or so, and scroll on by.”
I seem to have turned that into a little personal game and mentally sort of upbraid myself if I read more than 2 or 3 lines into the more well known trolls.

Posted by: Another Thing | Sep 4 2024 10:27 utc | 303

@Phil R | Sep 4 2024 10:15 utc | 304
I was much closer to the decision making process than you.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 10:54 utc | 304

No, Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize purely on the basis of being black. Period.
Posted by: Phil R | Sep 4 2024 10:15 utc | 304
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I’d say that he got it because the Nobel committee had overdosed on the same hopium that he’d addicted the American public to. Or, put another way, he got the prize simply by not being Dubya Bush.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 4 2024 11:40 utc | 305

I was much closer to the decision making process than you.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 10:54 utc | 306
I was (unfortunately) much closer to the recipient than you. I get that you’re Norwegian, but Obama didn’t win the Nobel Peace Prize for being elected president, it was a purely politcal/progressive award for being elected while black.
Having said that, since you were closer to the decision making process than me, I would (seriously) be interested in that decision making process, since he was the Commander-in-Chief over two wars (Iraq and Afghanistan at the time.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 4 2024 11:49 utc | 306

I’d say that he got it because the Nobel committee had overdosed on the same hopium that he’d addicted the American public to. Or, put another way, he got the prize simply by not being Dubya Bush.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 4 2024 11:40 utc | 307
I could agree with that. Whatever, it was a purely political award and had absolutely nothing to do with any other qualifications or peace initiatives. Although, I’m open-minded to opinions from others more familiar with the selection process.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 4 2024 11:53 utc | 307

245 – Richard Sorge, spying in Japan, communicated to the Soviets that the Japanese would attack only if several conditions were fulfilled, including the Germans being able to seize a major Soviet city on the Volga. They nearly but did not quite do so at Stalingrad, and by then the Japanese were fully involved in the Pacific War.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 4 2024 12:06 utc | 308

@15 vargus, quoting Reuters: “but Kyiv would need to wait several months as the U.S. works through technical issues ahead of any shipment, U.S. officials said”
U.S. officials. said.
I’m going to point out the obvious: that “several months” gets us to the beginning on November. Which just so happens to coincide with the elections in the USA.
As in: this promise is not going to be fulfilled. But what it *will* do is sucker the Ukrainians into not throwing in the towel prior to the US Presidential elections.
After which, well, let’s be honest here: if Trump wins then that promise isn’t going to be fulfilled, and if Kamala wins it isn’t going to be fulfilled.
But, hey, if a lot of Ukrainians have to die in those “several months” then, gosh, it’ll be worth it. Wouldn’t want any foreign interference in US elections, would we?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 4 2024 12:20 utc | 309

@304 Phil R “No, Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize purely on the basis of being black. Period.”
Untrue. Look back at the MSM news reports at the time.
Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize for giving an extraordinarily good speech in Cairo.
It impressed everyone at the time. Immensely.
That speech got him his gong, because at that time nobody understood that he was the ultimate Empty Suit.
He gave Good Speech. But he never swallowed. And he never, ever, went all the way.
When the definitive history of the United States of America is written some time in the distant future the Chapter devoted to Barack Obama will be very short.
Two words, actually: Cock. Tease.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 4 2024 12:26 utc | 310

245 – Richard Sorge, spying in Japan, communicated to the Soviets that the Japanese would attack only if several conditions were fulfilled, including the Germans being able to seize a major Soviet city on the Volga. They nearly but did not quite do so at Stalingrad, and by then the Japanese were fully involved in the Pacific War.
Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 4 2024 12:06 utc | 310
Yes. In light of the drubbing the Japanese copped in Mongolia in 1939 this is probably very likely. And the full involvement of the Japanese effort in the Pacific precluded any serious further adventure into Siberia. However the Japanese Kwoming army in Manchuria still made plans for a renewed future attempt.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Sep 4 2024 12:34 utc | 311

@malenkov | Sep 4 2024 11:40 utc | 307

Or, put another way, he got the prize simply by not being Dubya Bush.

That is more or less how it was, yes.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 12:58 utc | 312

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 4 2024 12:26 utc | 312
There are too many shortcuts you do concerning Obama. He is the one that brought the new hyper-liberal era that we all “enjoy” the fruits off today.
Cairo was his first destination outside of the US.
The arab spring started not much later, he just delivered the starting point with this speech.
The muslim brotherhood were his allies, remember the first attempt in Egypt. They are the allies of a part of the democrat party to this day. There are persistent conspiracy theories that Obama is muslim anyway, remember he didnt take the traditional oath on the Bible at first but was forced to do so later.
His administration was particularly militant domestically against traditional culture people, what is today MAGA ( and the direct result of it).
The lingbterm policy of Obama and his supporters is to create a society resembling South Africa, ignoring the consequences that come with it for the white people. Because whatever happens to them is their fault due to colonialist sins. This is the way to interpret much of the “white fragility” movement and whatever woke culture is today. The same reasoning fuels immigration. People on the left actually see South Africa as a model on how to deal with contradictions in society. Some even take Zimbabwe as well as a resounding success.
So yes, Obama’s African—derivative policy on racial lines was one of the most destructive things that happened to the Western countries recently. Aside from what will happen if Russia wins.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 4 2024 13:02 utc | 313

Yeah, Right@311…..the deaths will be worth it….cheap.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 4 2024 13:50 utc | 314

james @217
Thanks for looking into it. The page you went to is edited regularly. Last time I looked it was 4 million employees worldwide. Now it says 40% of Sweden’s “industrial workforce”. However that is defined. Throw in those not directly employed but wholly dependent on family business.
I am sick of reading about “bankers’ and “industrialists” and “financiers”. They have names. There are few of them. In Sweden everyone who is anyone is a family member or relative.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 4 2024 13:53 utc | 315

Poslan1@282…..if the Russians are waiting to replace missing brass after the fact, they are fucked.
Are the Russians that stupid. The MOD, once the graft was pointed out by Prigozian, had more than enough time to put new actors in place, hence the quicking pace at the LOCC and determination to bring the SMO to a close. Future graft aside.
Cheers M
…..mind you, there will be shortage of actors here reading lines from the “everything is as we planned” manual……

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 4 2024 14:04 utc | 316

LightYearsFromHome@121…..in that light, the sinking of the Moskova makes sense….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 4 2024 14:10 utc | 317

Suresh@225…..more excuses for leaving high value targets….no shortage of posters here covering their eyes and ears and making excuses….like the excuse up thread for not shooting down spy planes and drones flying up and down the Crimean coast…..sounds more like calculated fear….I do suppose Putin knows the difference between a street fight and a SMO though.
Cheers M
….and yeah, I’m simple minded, ask simple questions that have simple answers, not complex excuses……and I’m not afraid to face the truth…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 4 2024 14:34 utc | 318

watcher@272…..Priggy was the first person to openly say the graft word….no shortage of MOD brass recycling…..hmm, for graft…..and you have suspicions…..thanks for the laugh.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 4 2024 14:43 utc | 319

@ N. Hanrahan 292
“Soviet historians in the 1980s … argued that this military defeat [in Manchuria] – and not the war crime of dropping atomic bombs on the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – was the prime factor in the surrender of Japan.”
At 503,013 sq. miles, Manchuria is huge, bigger than France (213,011 mi²), Germany (138,070 mi²) and Poland (120,728 mi²) at 471,809 mi² combined. The Red Army took it in a week. It’s a big understatement to say that set a world record in military conquests. I’m sure the Tokyo elite had to change their soiled pants! My guess is that the shock of Manchuria going bye-bye in a week is what finally ended Tokyo’s slow debate over surrender. Of course, a lesser motivation was that the USSR joined the war. Western historians prefer to talk about this smaller surprise, as a way to avoid discussing how powerful and effective the Red Army had become. If the Red Army was that powerful – why, then you could get the idea that the Red Army itself defeated the Germans, and that while Western “allied” support was significant, the Reds would have won anyway.
Now, the only reason we might discount the influence of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that reports were slow in arriving to Tokyo and the leaders may not have yet understood the colossal devastation of two bombs.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 4 2024 15:33 utc | 320

@ Yeah, Right 312
You almost got me with your claim that Obama’s Cairo speech is whatg got him the Nobel “prize”. But your claim is flat wrong.
Obama’s famous Cairo speech was June 4, 2009.
Link to Obama White House Archives
The January 31, 2009 deadline for submission of candidates is the most telling. The “Peace” commission must have seen it like this: The global Deep State (less cohesive that any one nation’s Deep State, but yes, a hidden power) saw Obama’s Hopium as the thing to push because Obama was a serious CIA asset – and he had been from his first job out of college. The hopium was widely effective because of (1) his being not Bush Jr. and (2) his cafe au lait making him “black”.
I would add just one thing to this timeline. In April 2009, we now know, Obama secretly added 10% or 20% to the budget for making nuclear bombs. Great choice for the “peace” prize.
An American I worked with in the 1990’s, had spent two years at a nice middle-class job in Oslo in the early 1990’s. He and his wife were nice people and were very comfortable later living in Thailand, but they were thoroughly glad to be out of Norway because of the restrictive cultural conformity and the general awfulness of life there. That came as a real surprise to me; I had rose-tinted glasses from having childhood friends from Sweden. I believe Sweden must have changed drastically in the decades after they left.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 4 2024 15:58 utc | 321

Swedes being in Poltava in spite of the lessons of history… Is history actually taught properly anywhere? Does the average Swede know about the events of 1709?
Poltava was also the scene of an experiment by US bombers in WW2. They would bomb Germany and then fly east to land at a Soviet-held base in Poltava in 1944. It was a campaign of shuttle bombing. However, a German air raid in June 1944 caused major damage and there were recriminations, for example claims that Soviet anti-aircraft precautions were inadequate.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 4 2024 16:38 utc | 322

Some reflections on Swedish mass media.
I make no distinction here between SVT/SR (state-funded) and privately owned mass media.
The media does not critically examine but accepts the following institutions’ versions of events, without suspecting that they may have their own, hidden agenda.
The royal house. Example: The king hangs out with so-called coffee girls, we all understand what it is about, and the mass media are initially critical and revealing. But then the King gathers representatives of the mass media, says: Now we turn the page!, and the mass media meekly and submissively joins in. Nothing more is written.
The military. Example: The military claimed that Russian submarines violated Swedish waters in the Baltic Sea. This goes on for several years, and journalists stand at the edge of the Baltic Sea and spy, but no Russian submarine is ever discovered. Do they then ask the question: Were there ever any submarines? Have we been used for other purposes by the military? No. They are unconsciously always potentially at the disposal of the military and through them of “foreign power”
The police. In the so-called Gothenburg riots, the police locked youths in a school and prevented them from getting out, shot a young man who threw paving stones in the back and completely failed to bring order to the riots, which they themselves apparently helped to escalate. Were journalists critical of police brutality? No. The politicians then? No, they gave the policemen flowers.
SÄPO (Security Service). Example: Russia is spying on Sweden. Yuk! Sweden spying on Russia? No, it’s just “signal detection”. The USA spies on Sweden via the USA. Reaction? The US is our friend. No danger.
Massmedia’s backing of the Ukraine project: I will not talk about its general Russophobia. It is itself huge. Russia is also reduced to Putin, and he is, as we all know, stupid and evil.
No, what I want to point out, is that what is reported is exactly what Ukraine claims. The first victim of war is the truth. Bot not in this conflict. What Ukraine says is the truth. The Russian version on the other hand is never rtold. Take the rocket strike in Poltava, for example. Only civilians dead! An atrocity! What Russia says, that it was indeed a military target, is not reproduced at all. But then, how different is not medias attitude towards Israel! Israel bombs a hospital and civilians die. Then suddenly there is what is missing regarding Russia a reason for the bombing: Hamas hid in the hospital. Says Israel.

Posted by: Ulf Persson | Sep 4 2024 16:47 utc | 323

No, what I want to point out, is that what is reported is exactly what Ukraine claims. The first victim of war is the truth. Bot not in this conflict. What Ukraine says is the truth. The Russian version on the other hand is never rtold. Take the rocket strike in Poltava, for example. Only civilians dead! An atrocity! What Russia says, that it was indeed a military target, is not reproduced at all. But then, how different is not medias attitude towards Israel! Israel bombs a hospital and civilians die. Then suddenly there is what is missing regarding Russia a reason for the bombing: Hamas hid in the hospital. Says Israel.
Posted by: Ulf Persson | Sep 4 2024 16:47 utc | 325

Western media does not make any effort to establish facts before coming to conclusions. The order is reversed; the conclusions are stated upfront, and then the “journalists” – i.e., stenographers – fill in the blanks.
An example of this, e.g., is Canadian state media today. The CBC “interviews” a Ukrainian rep and the conclusions are stated in advance (Russia bombs civilians, a school, your grandma, etc.) and plays catch with the Uke rep. It’s so idiotic that one is almost embarrassed for the Ukrainian.
In any case, the viewers are told what to think, not how to think. The latter is considered too dangerous. It’s a kind of anti-scientific inoculation against thinking. The long-term effect on people exposed to this stuff is a kind of “dumbing down” in which millions of people are turned into “bird brains”.
“Look, something shiny.”

Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Sep 4 2024 17:05 utc | 324

Swedish Foreign Minister Tobias Billström “who steered the Scandinavian country along a sometimes bumpy road to NATO membership and stood tall on supporting Ukraine” steps down.
I’m sure it has nothing to do with those Swedes who weren’t killed and injured in Poltava.
See
https://apnews.com/article/sweden-tobias-billstrom-foreign-ministry-quits-politics-bf0d386980ec945f589040ac48a07231

Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Sep 4 2024 17:38 utc | 325

Anyone stupid enough to deploy to oppose Russia in the Ukraine is a goddam idiot who is asking to be killed.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 4 2024 18:37 utc | 326

The Swedish joint staff,claims officially that the report of Swedish casualities in Poltava is a Russian fake-news, where they used
that woman’s BE’s social media account. Hard to know the truth.
But that the Swedish foreign minister, Tobias Billström, stepped
down, that’s true, and far more intriguing, just after two years,
leaving his whole political career.
He served before as minister for immigration,and was a Nato & Ukraine-hawk.
Is there internal contradictions in
the government, or what? A big surprise, during The Ukraine-war, and Palestina, if leaving of admin-istrative reasons, or personal?
But it is just an extraordinary situation.

Posted by: Reader | Sep 4 2024 20:20 utc | 327

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Sep 3 2024 21:27 utc | 209
Re: High number of 200/300 at Poltava:
Slavyangrad (Telegram) rrported on August 22nd, that the Poltava regional administration had announced: “a company of strike unmanned aerial systems is being formed on the basis of one of the military units of the Poltava region.”
Preference was to be given to specialists in radio communications, aerodynamics, and programmers.
It looks like Russia just destroyed the first phase induction sessions, along with many of the potential candidates and their prospective educators and coordinators.
The Ukrainians made the fatal flaw of publicising this information, and the Russians combined it with their knowledge about military sites in the area and local hum-int to locate them.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 4 2024 21:19 utc | 328

the post about swedish victims seems to be fake.
https://www.logicallyfacts.com/en/fact-check/russian-news-outlets-falsely-claim-swedish-military-instructors-were-killed-in-poltava-missile-strike

Posted by: Martin Dambach | Sep 4 2024 21:28 utc | 329

I suggest barflies at least take a look at the first report’s header photo. I’ll bet no barfly knows that Tuva, which was an independent state at the time, was the first to ally with Russia against the Nazis in 1941.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:41 utc | 244
Thank you again, karlof1. The final report’s final photo is definitely worth seeing as well!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 4 2024 21:45 utc | 330

the post about swedish victims seems to be fake.
… [link removed] …
Posted by: Martin Dambach | Sep 4 2024 21:28 utc | 331
“On September 3, 2024, two Russian missiles struck a military institute and a nearby hospital in the city of Poltava in central Ukraine.”
That “fact check” includes the spurious and unsubstantiated claim that a hospital was also struck during the attack. Which hospital would that be, I wonder?
The fact checker needs fact checking. That’s a fact.

Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Sep 4 2024 21:58 utc | 331

Posted by: Martin Dambach | Sep 4 2024 21:28 utc | 331
It’s pointless turning up here and quoting deep-state operated “fact-checking” (read :”narrative matrix management”) outfits.
They are partnered with Meta and Snapchat, hence their credibility is so close to zero as to approximate zero.
Not sure if your paid to post this dribble, or you’re just poorly educated and naive.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 4 2024 22:08 utc | 332

Regarding Barack Obama and the Nobel Prize.
In general, the Nobel “Peace” Prize is a Nobel Propaganda Prize.
It’s one more soft power propaganda weapon that the West deploys to confer a “moral halo” on its political assets–and advance its political machinations. Often, this Propaganda Prize is bestowed on so-called dissidents (aka, pro-Western traitors/political stooges) in “enemy nations” that are targeted by the West for regime change or destabilization.
However, the Nobel Peace Prize can also be given to political assets within the West who serve it interests.
In the case of Obama, he was brought to power by the American oligarchy to “rebrand” the USA after 8 disastrous years under George W. Bush, who helped to shred America’s mask as a “force for good” with his preemptive wars around the world–particularly the American aggression against Iraq, which was based on lies about non-existent Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction.
The Nobel Propaganda Prize-winning Obama was promoted to fame and power as a more benevolent multicultural figurehead ruler for the American Empire.
Or as Paul Street incisively put it, Barack Obama was the Empire’s New Clothes.
Barack Obama: The Empire’s New Clothes
https://blackagendareport.com/content/barack-obama-empire%E2%80%99s-new-clothes

Posted by: ak74 | Sep 5 2024 4:50 utc | 333

I have seen nothing in mainstream media to back up the claim of swedish deaths. Hard to imagine it would be covered up this long….

Posted by: Joe | Sep 6 2024 22:12 utc | 334

The west won’t let Ukraine use dangerous weapons without a baby sitter. They have zero trust in that country.
The population might revolt and charge west or they could sell stuff and steal stuff..
Retire from any western army and go private so there is no ‘Nato’ army.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 7 2024 13:42 utc | 335