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September 3, 2024
Ukraine – Russian Missile Strike Hits Swedish Instructors

A Russian missile strike on the Ukrainian Military Institute of Communications in Poltava has at least killed 41 and wounded two hundreds. Other sources claim higher numbers.

Poltava is about 120 kilometer from the Russian border. The warning times after the missile launch was allegedly too short for everyone to reach the bunkers.

The Institute of Communications is training radio and radar operators. Its main multi-story building has been completely destroyed.

Britta Ellwanger, a (former?) Swedish volunteer with the Ukrainian army wrote that Swedish friends of hers, also volunteering with the Ukrainian army, were among those who died in the strike.


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Sweden had promised to gift two Swedish AWACS planes to Ukraine:

Sweden has announced sending its Saab 340B AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning and Control) aircraft to Kyiv, as per an announcement made by its defense ministry on May 29, 2024.

Given the nature of the Institute of Communications in Poltava it is likely that the Swedes were training Ukrainian operators for those.

One wonders why the training was not held elsewhere.

The Swedes should have remembered the history of that city:

The Battle of Poltava[e] (8 July 1709) was the decisive and largest battle of the Great Northern War. The Russian army under the command of Tsar Peter I defeated the Swedish army under the command of Carl Gustaf Rehnskiöld. The battle put an end to the status of the Swedish Empire as a European great power, as well as its eastbound expansion, and marked the beginning of Russian supremacy in eastern Europe.

Swedish and NATO attempts to change that status of Russia in eastern Europe more than 300 years after it had been achieved has ended in failure.

Comments

I would caution about throwing too much weight behind one tweet or post.

Posted by: Gerard | Sep 3 2024 21:15 utc | 201

It should be noted that the coalition in power in Washington since 1962-67 has increased (fully integrating the fourth power) and has reached a high degree of integration until becoming total or almost total since the last internal discussion (2016)
1) Imperial party
2) Zionist party
3) Corporatocratic party and financial system in private hands
4) Colossal media bubble
Perhaps within the big coalition 3 has lost power

Posted by: Simon | Sep 3 2024 21:16 utc | 202

“Sweden was the not-so-surprising victim of a conspiracy between Great Britain and Russia in the 19th Century.”
Are you referring to the Russo-Swedish War of 1808-09, through which Russia annexed Finland? If so, the conspiracy involved France and Russia, not Great Britain.
Posted by: GW | Sep 3 2024 21:07 utc | 199
I mistyped. 18th century, read the following posts, I tried to add links but they were blocked. The Marx work on the secret diplomacy is very good.

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 3 2024 21:17 utc | 203

The bloody imperial comedy
The bloody imperial comedy has reached such a point that the candidate of the Sadducees is indistinguishable from the candidate of the Pharisees.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 3 2024 21:20 utc | 204

still asking the question: why does this website exist and why is it not Spammed/ddos’d? I only got one reply, which was someone saying “it’s a honeypot” and when I asked them, what did they mean by that they did not respond. It would just be nice to have some context: I found this website where everyone is talking about what global elites are doing and their strategies and they just let us talk about it and they don’t care that information is out there. It supposed to be their own amusement to watch us discuss this? do you guys not understand how easy it would be to take this website down if big brother/elites wanted to? obviously people spam here but it’s not that much. i have my theories about some of the disinfo like when canuck claims the west/ukraine/israel is controlled by “the city of london” its pretty easy to see through that. but is that really the entire point? only one responded to this the last time i posted it so im posting it again.

Posted by: jord | Sep 3 2024 21:22 utc | 205

GW @199
No, it was the same post.
“Real history will show that the Khans of the Golden Horde were no more instrumental in realising the plans of Ivan III. and his predecessors than the rulers of England were in realising the plans of Peter I and his successors.” – Karl Marx, Revelations of the Diplomatic History of the 18th Century, Ch.5
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 3 2024 19:51 utc | 159
I’ll try again. https://dhspriory.org/kenny/PhilTexts/Marx/www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/russia/ch05.htm (replace “05” with whatever to read full)

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 3 2024 21:23 utc | 206

Re the flamethrower drones, Southfront says they are Ukrainian.
https://southfront.press/in-video-ukrainian-forces-set-fire-on-russian-positions-with-drones/

Posted by: Mary | Sep 3 2024 21:24 utc | 207

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 3 2024 17:09 utc | 89
Somethings fishy about 600 people associated with 2 or 3 radar AWACS. Those plane only have 5 – 7 crew members. Maybe need 3 crews per plane. Under 50 total need to be trained. 1 trainer per 5 people is 10 trainers. Throw in a few supervisors…still should be no greater than 75 people.
But….FPV’s. Those you need a lot of people trained for use. I can see several hundred being trained at any point in time. Possibly a dual use location for both types of training.
We will probably never know.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Sep 3 2024 21:27 utc | 208

I still ask myself -considering even more likely that USA Germany and ilk numbskulls are to authorise long distance missiles ….still supplying military items -why Russia is not doing a shock and awe by stopping all exports instantly to these ******
sighs.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 3 2024 21:32 utc | 209

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Sep 3 2024 21:27 utc | 209
The following was posted on the Telegram channel of Intel Slava Z :-
‘Ten days before the strike on the communications school in Poltava, the local Gauleiter’s entourage was actively advertising the upcoming graduation from this school, pointing out that they were focusing on communications and UAV specialists.’

Posted by: Siddhartha | Sep 3 2024 21:37 utc | 210

Based on Dima’s report, looks like Ugledar is toast – RUAF continues to move around it and took almost the entire coal mine north and Vodyane, and the village west of it without resistance.
The AFU is on the run from a very large pocket east of Hirnuk. RUAF already controls Zhelanne Persha, supposedly more or less closing the pocket, or at least they can cause a lot of damage on anyone trying to run out of it.
RUAF fully controls Ukrainsk and surroundings after concentrating enough FPV drone assets in this direction disrupting all attempts to evacuate vehicles west.
RUAF slowly moved to the south of Selidove.
Fight continues in Novogrodovka, various AFU resistance pockets exist.
RUAF connected the entire Seversky-Donets canal in Chasov Yar and moved a bit further toward the center. AFU abandoned entire eastern part of the canal. FAB strike south of Chasov Yar on ammo depots and concentrations.
Reliable sources say RUAF counter-attack took back Malaya Loknya and most villages north of it.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 3 2024 21:38 utc | 211

Intersting interview (in German) with the commander of the international Donbass brigade Pjatnaschka about Kursk:
“…According to Archa, Ukraine has brought one vehicle (from jeeps to tanks) to Kursk for every 30 soldiers. With 12,000 soldiers that Ukraine is said to have brought to Kursk, that would be 400 armoured vehicles that are missing in the Donbass and are now being hunted by Russian drones in Kursk…”(machine translation by Deepl)
He also told Thomas Röper, that the Russians are in no hurry to destroy the remnants of the incursion.
https://anti-spiegel.ru/2024/wir-haben-viele-marder-panzer-abgeschossen/

Posted by: Blue Angel | Sep 3 2024 21:39 utc | 212

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Sep 3 2024 21:27 utc | 209
The commandant of the training academy made a video few weeks ago saying that a lot of that training was related to FPV drones. So the AWACS training may have been there but a small part of it all.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 3 2024 21:40 utc | 213

BroncoBilly @ 209 / Siddhartha @ 211
You don’t hear much about AFU artillery anymore, I think NATO gave up on that and decided it could even be better replaced with drone swarms. Basically they are mining the air above your head. There would be large scale drone training, maybe even retaining of artillery troops.

Iskanders likely destroyed an entire company of UAV specialists.
On August 22, the Poltava regional administration leaked information that “a company of strike unmanned aerial systems is being formed on the basis of one of the military units of the Poltava region.”
Preference is given to specialists in radio communications , aerodynamics, and programmers. The task that will face them is to work with new types of UAVs. The purpose of drones is different, from strike to reconnaissance, said senior officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine A. Goncharenko.
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/107930

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 3 2024 21:45 utc | 214

“I guess the Russians are off the list of their Nobel Peace Prize. How ironic!!
Posted by: Wolvoka | Sep 3 2024 15:06 utc | 4”
Just how Obama, “The drone king” got his Nobel Peace Prize, Putin should receive his as “The Missile King.”

Posted by: War is Hell | Sep 3 2024 21:47 utc | 215

@ oldhippie | Sep 3 2024 19:37 utc | 154
thanks..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallenberg_family

Posted by: james | Sep 3 2024 21:48 utc | 216

The commandant of the training academy made a video few weeks ago saying that a lot of that training was related to FPV drones.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 3 2024 21:40 utc | 214

Loose lips sink ships.

Posted by: oldhand | Sep 3 2024 21:52 utc | 217

Russia must have used a double tap attack which would have enhanced the harvest.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 3 2024 21:55 utc | 218

Remember how bad Ugledar was for the Russian early on? IIRC they got beat bad there at least twice. I know enough war history to know how towns change hands, just requires patience, which this RuMoD like all RuMoDs in history has.
I specifically filed it away but always kept an eye on Ugledar, waiting for the name to pop back up, I knew it would be a tell tale. I knew the Russians would be coming back, this time in strength and for good. Don’t want to jinx it but Brussels is in sight.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 3 2024 21:57 utc | 219

Yes, it’s rather incredible. There are two wings of Nazis in Sweden. One supports the Ukraine and the other supports Russia.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 3 2024 19:56 utc | 161
PLs expand on your comment. I think she and her family (familiyname: 300 years of winemaking in france),are just helping her kin. Nothing more to see here.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 3 2024 21:59 utc | 220

@207
Thanks for the link. Years ago I read many of Engels’s Russia-related articles, all which were written for the New-York Daily Tribune. But the content in this “Chapter V” is something I haven’t seen before. I’ll give it read.

Posted by: GW | Sep 3 2024 22:02 utc | 221

some might enjoy reading this – venik, substack..
Playing for Keeps
When Winning the Battle Means Losing the War

Posted by: james | Sep 3 2024 22:04 utc | 222

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 3 2024 20:57 utc | 192
Ditto.
Parse it out, I have faith that MoA will navigate me through this craziness.
Does that mean if Ukraine wants to borrow money from IMF Russia have a say?

Posted by: Kalle Dussin | Sep 3 2024 22:04 utc | 223

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 3 2024 18:19 utc | 118
Try not to be so simple-minded next time.
Has it occurred to you that a lot of the targets in 404 were not hit earlier could be for any or all of the following?
Priority-
(a) did they affect an immediate outcome on a particular field of battle?
(b) were there enough missiles for all assigned targets?
What were the operational doctrines for the tactical missile forces, target selection, distribution and allocation from the start of the SMO and has any changes been made to improve these?
Were Russian HUMINT assets present at known targets or could have been compromised/jeopardized them if stuck earlier?
Have those hundreds of personnel been at that particular site since the start of the SMO?
—————————————————————————————————-
Added irony to the Swede connection to Poltava, were the Russian staff graduates of Peter the Great Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces?
Boom!

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 3 2024 22:05 utc | 224

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 3 2024 21:40 utc | 214
Would have thought the initial AWACS training (theory) would take 2-3 months and the remainder (practical) 5 months. This is usually in the user country, but I doubt the 340’s were in Ukraine, probably either the training continued in Sweden, or another NATO country, due to the risk of being lost.
I think linking the Swedish AWAC’s trainers and 340 crews to the strike is lazy journalism, more likely this is the reason for Swedes to be amongst the casualties
https://www.government.se/press-releases/2024/07/sweden-to-join-a-drone-cooperation-for-ukraine/

Posted by: Milites | Sep 3 2024 22:09 utc | 225

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 3 2024 20:41 utc | 187
Quite a few Swedes and other Nordics are fighting as mercenaries, so perhaps that’s one way, the other being a spate of military personnel hitting a lot of elk!

Posted by: Milites | Sep 3 2024 22:20 utc | 226

Mary@173…..from the report, the alarm went off, they were notified, those that failed to make it to the “bunkers” died. It was a training base with bunkers, bunkers are fixed…..hmm, fixed, like the SlogMow….pun intended. They had short notice, likely a ballistic missile, or heaven forbid one of the front line supplied Iskander batteries.
P:2 …..there was no immediate threat in front of them, that was destroyed back in ’22…..no, Russia left the rail lines open, train stations untouched (commerce rules, see: pun intended) and the Deniper bridges intact. Letting NATO come to them (could’ve blocked them at the river). As for high value targets, see Odessa Hotel Communication Centre that functioned throughout the SMO until Feb/Mar of this year when Russia blew it up. That was a standing high value target. 404’s largest oil refinery, which produced fuel, oils and lubricants for the Ukrainian war effort was just, just this Feb, finally taken off line. 2 yrs in? Higher value Military target? Besides Zmandiaz and his Generals and war cabinet. Military priorities?
Had Russia, and we shall never know, see; commerce rules, even in war, dropped all the Deniper bridges, every one (it’s said Russia doesn’t want to go past the Deniper)up and down the river, they’d have crippled Ukie resupply logistics. Ukie would have been trapped between river and LOCC with major resupply issues. One
day Russia might fight it’s way to the Deniper…..well, still a long SlogMow to hoe. Full disclosure, I’m just cross trained grunt. So my target designation might differ slightly than a General on the take. Just sayin.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 3 2024 22:28 utc | 227

Stieg Larsson’s novels, such as The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets’ Nest, are premised on the robustness of the Nazi legacy in Sweden.
WTF were their “volunteers” doing in Ukraine?
Serves them right.
How stupid has Sweden become?
##Letting in swarms of migrants until their attractive, orderly country is screwed
##Joining NATO—screwed again (although I think Sweden has a big arms industry)
Are those two stupidities connected?
Have they let in swarms of Ukrainian migrants/refugees/draft dodgers?
Genuine question.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 3 2024 22:29 utc | 228

Tichy | Sep 3 2024 21:17 utc | 204

I mistyped. 18th century, read the following posts, I tried to add links but they were blocked. The Marx work on the secret diplomacy is very good.

🙄

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Sep 3 2024 22:36 utc | 229

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 3 2024 20:34 utc | 183
Also, the top banner image at https://forpeace.us/ shows a Ukrainian flag but also people holding up signs written in Hebrew? Yeah..
Good observation, i didn’t see that
But I said she was:
Britta is more innocent than we think- but she is the same kin as Zelinsky
https://forpeace.us/who-we-are
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 3 2024 18:38 utc | 129

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 3 2024 22:37 utc | 230

Posted by: Blue Angel | Sep 3 2024 21:39 utc | 213
Interesting interview (in German) with the commander of the international Donbass brigade Pjatnaschka about Kursk “>https://anti-spiegel.ru/2024/wir-haben-viele-marder-panzer-abgeschossen

Indeed interesting. If you can read German or are willing to use machine translation, I recommend Anti-Spiegel much.
In the article linked by Blue Angel, the commander also mentions “many Swedes” fighting in the international division. (And no Germans, by the way.)

Posted by: Konami | Sep 3 2024 22:40 utc | 231

RE: why Russia is not doing a shock and awe by stopping all exports instantly to these ******
sighs.
Posted by: Jo | Sep 3 2024 21:32 utc | 210
I’m guessing strategically it majestic more sense to keep West semi-dependent on whatever “vital” trade they have not sanctioned or keep buying.
If a full blown NATO war breaks out, the sledgehammer comes down hard and fast and cut off immediately, which would mean West would be strung out looking for substitutes, something Russia has spent since 2014 doing and it takes a lot of time and effort. Meanwhile, Russia getting revenue, and West “planners” aren’t paying attention.
That’s my take. It takes more than men and hardware to win a war with the West. I see China waiting abit as well. The faucet is probably somewhat coordinated, should West get to frisky and actually use a long range weapon, bio weapons, nuclear plant dirty bomb or other machinations turned into realities.
A complete and total faucet shut off would do a lot of damage. Card held in check for now.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 3 2024 22:47 utc | 232

@too scents #2
When it comes to politics Wikipedia is not a valid source of information. I’m surprised this has to be stated to a barfly.

Posted by: FNORD | Sep 3 2024 22:52 utc | 233

Tichy- thanks
Revelations of the Diplomatic History of the 18th Century
https://dhspriory.org/kenny/PhilTexts/Marx/www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/russia/ch05.htm
Thanks, this was truly fantastic
Thallas- against Terracracy- McKinnan
Why are we not wiser that our forefathers- i feel so stupid

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 3 2024 23:03 utc | 234

The thing is that practically everyone in Ukraine has family ties to Russia, Nazism is tough stuff, takes time for a resistance to build and organize, and people need to believe the risks are worth it, as Russia advances that belief strengthens. Where best to direct your resistance than towards the foreigners that brought havoc to your country? Which is exactly what we’ve been seeing lately.

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Oleksandr Syrsky has suspended Chief of Staff of the Command of the Unmanned Systems Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Roman Gladky from performing his duties while the Security Service of Ukraine conducts an investigation into the officer’s family’s ties to Russia.
This was stated in a statement by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
“>https://t.me/ZandVchannel/126143

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 3 2024 23:04 utc | 235

*********The bloody imperial comedy has reached such a point that the candidate of the Sadducees is indistinguishable from the candidate of the Pharisees.*********
******
Posted by: Simon @205
************
What seems to be needed then is a Karaite candidate to put the talmudists in their proper place; the trash can of history.

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 3 2024 23:09 utc | 236

still asking the question: why does this website exist and why is it not Spammed/ddos’d? I only got one reply, which was someone saying “it’s a honeypot” and when I asked them, what did they mean by that they did not respond. It would just be nice to have some context: I found this website where everyone is talking about what global elites are doing and their strategies and they just let us talk about it and they don’t care that information is out there. It supposed to be their own amusement to watch us discuss this? do you guys not understand how easy it would be to take this website down if big brother/elites wanted to? obviously people spam here but it’s not that much. i have my theories about some of the disinfo like when canuck claims the west/ukraine/israel is controlled by “the city of london” its pretty easy to see through that. but is that really the entire point? only one responded to this the last time i posted it so im posting it again.
Posted by: jord | Sep 3 2024 21:22 utc | 206
It’s an old site, sure you could try closing it down but that would raise more problems than solve (for the west)
What do you have here? Basically some tens of people who try to discuss information from non MSM sources. And often interpolate or extrapolate information.
How many read? 16.500 hits per month, 550 per day, probably most by the usual suspects (yours truly included)
Do any of the 3 letter western, or RF ones, agencies care? Maybe, maybe not.
Do other such sites and substacks come here, yes, what do they take (apart from some linking) ? Yes, but not much.
Do other such sites and substacks get mentioned? Yes, mentioned and discussed, often in the comments, sometimes in B’s post.
Do a lot of us hold theories and are they often different? Hell yes, some go for one POV, others another.
Do we all care for the same subjects in a similar way? Hardly, but there is a general, at least in what you’d call the regulars, distrust of the powers to be , and their mainstream media “presstitutes”TM.
That’s all, pick what you want and enjoy

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 3 2024 23:19 utc | 237

Arioch | Sep 3 2024 19:20 utc | 148–
Putin didn’t “rush” to Mongolia. He was invited to celebrate the joint Russsian/Mongolian victory over Japan in the battle that made Zhukov famous, Khalkhin Gol. I reported the complete trek first to Tuva then to Mongolia in four different postings at my substack.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:20 utc | 238

“Vargas your troll technique is soooooo lame.”
Posted by: Jm | Sep 3 2024 22:31 utc | 230
I don’t think it is a ‘technique’ because if anyone hired this douchebag they would expect a subtle rational counter argument that would confuse, confound MOA posters and their POV’s.
From what I observe vargas is a confused, confounded, retarded individual whom is hoping to make a connection with an anyone on social media without any agenda.
Fundamentally, he is ‘lame’ because he is ‘lame’.
Hope that helps.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 3 2024 23:22 utc | 239

Posted by: james | Sep 3 2024 22:04 utc | 223
At this time, everyone that writes of the Kursk adventure as if it’s Ukrainian planned is a willing moron, including the author of the piece you linked. The satellite recon and logistics is done by Mons, the NATO HQ. They knew, and IMO, planned it as a strategic operation for nuclear blackmail. There are no independent, brave and smart enough military thinkers in the ukro-wermacht that can plan and execute this alone

Posted by: Boo | Sep 3 2024 23:28 utc | 240

First, training an enemy to operate a WAR early warning equipment is obviously a MILITARY action and of military nature.
Second,since it was a foreign and further a complex job it must have been a long swedish effort lasting for months…
Honestly, would Stockholm expect, after Kursk, that they would keep unharmed, safe and sound?

Posted by: augusto | Sep 3 2024 23:31 utc | 241

I’ve reported Putin’s trek to Tuva then onto Mongolia, where he departed today for Vladivostok for the Eastern Economic Forum and will participate in Thursday’s plenary session. Here are the four reports:
“Stops in Tuva en Route to Mongolia,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/stops-in-tuva-en-route-to-mongolia
“”Tuva onward to Mongolia Part Two,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/tuva-onward-to-mongolia-part-two
“Putin’s Interview with the Mongolian Newspaper “Onodor” & Onset of Talks,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/putins-interview-with-the-mongolian
“More Putin in Mongolia,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/more-putin-in-mongolia
I suggest barflies at least take a look at the first report’s header photo. I’ll bet no barfly knows that Tuva, which was an independent state at the time, was the first to ally with Russia against the Nazis in 1941.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:41 utc | 242

Arioch @ 148, Trubindi @ 179 and elsewhere:
At about this time of year (August to September) each year, either the Russian President or at least a senior politician (prime minister, foreign minister) goes to Mongolia to celebrate the joint Soviet-Mongolian victory against Japan in August 1939. This may also be an opportunity to conduct other business of mutual concern and interest.
The USSR and Mongolia had been fighting a series of battles (amounting almost to an ongoing war) against Japan during the 1930s, when Japan attempted to invade the Soviet Far East and Mongolia to seize territory in those areas.
The decisive battle that forced Japan to leave the Soviet Far East and Mongolia was at Khalkhin Gol, near the eastern Mongolian-Chinese border, from May to September in 1939. After this, Japan abandoned its Imperial Army’s Plan A (conquest of Mongolia and parts of the Soviet Far East) and took up its Imperial Navy’s Plan B (conquest of Southeast Asia and Western Pacific region) instead. In the latter endeavour, Japan nearly succeeded.
The defeat at Khalkhin Gol must have seared itself deeply into the Japanese psyche, because during 1942 when the Soviets were preoccupied with defending their western borders and lands against Nazi Germany’s invasion, the Japanese actually had an opportunity to attack what would have been lightly defended borders in the Soviet Far East. They did not take up that opportunity though some people in the Imperial government and armed forces must have seen that and suggested taking that chance.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 3 2024 23:45 utc | 243

There are reports that a lot of key ministers of Zelensky’s cabinet have submitted their resignations.
If this is true, then it most likely means the FUKUS is pulling the rug under Zelensky and planning to replace him with another placeholder, maybe that Avakov guy or whoever was the ex-interior minister they planned to use.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 3 2024 20:59 utc | 194

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 3 2024 23:59 utc | 244

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:41 utc | 244
Many, many thanks, karlof1 — my night’s reading taken care of!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 4 2024 0:01 utc | 245

I knew it was only a matter of time before NATO forces in-country were going to get whacked. Russia has said all along that anyone in-country aiding the Ukrainians was fair game, and the Swedes just had their FAFO moment. Of course the US will raise a stink about it, but wait for when the first US ‘advisors’ are killed. That is, assuming it hasn’t already happened and the official story is ‘non-combat death’ or ‘accidental death off-duty’.

Posted by: John S | Sep 4 2024 0:03 utc | 246

Hal Turner (yeah, I know – but sometimes he is correct) had this story about Russia warning US about giving & allowing Ukraine to use long range cruise missiles: https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/bulletin-russia-issues-direct-warning-to-u-s
The F16 given them can already support the older cruise missiles with about 275 mile range with a 1,000 lb warhead. Wonder if those will be the ones they get vs the newest very long range ones.m
Me thinks Russia already knows something of what they got, else why the warning at this precise time? Might get interesting folks….

Posted by: drsmith | Sep 4 2024 0:17 utc | 247

jord | Sep 3 2024 21:22 utc | 206
why does this website exist…
I’m only grateful that it does.
…why is it not Spammed/ddos’d?
It is. But our barkeep has just enough tech nous to keep it up, most days.
Which is why (I think) we’re stuck with a very vintage functioning format.
User name at front of post is a long yearned for upgrade. But if you lurk here long enough you can (mostly) pick a garbage post within a sentence or so, and scroll on by.
“it’s a honeypot” did you consult a search engine of choice re this term.
I won’t do your homework for you.
The “price range admission” here is being able and research and parse both the text of something, and it’s subtext.
[As Norwegian has done in this thread, by providing some *very interesting* background for Mme and her Orwellian “peace” outfit.
…: I found this website where everyone is talking…
Quelle horreur!
>… What! Why! How? Are you people “allowed” to talk about without being controlled, censored, censured or best, shut down?
A: we don’t know. We’re enjoying it while it lasts.
______
Which is why I hate all the fucks that take advantage of the hospitality here, and abuse it by posting shit and wasting Bernhard’s (limited) resources, and the time and patience of others who have found refuge here.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 4 2024 0:19 utc | 248

@Vargas: Indeed.
“WASHINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) – The U.S. is close to an agreement to give Ukraine long-range cruise missiles that could reach deep into Russia, but Kyiv would need to wait several months as the U.S. works through technical issues ahead of any shipment, U.S. officials said.”
I saw another article on a different MSM “News” outlet that said the same
Apparently, it isn’t enough that Sweden and Finland decided to get in on the money laundering, MIC grift, but now it appears the US is about to do something extremely stupid and provoke Russia to the point of a world war.
These Ziocon war pigs will get us all killed

Posted by: Kay | Sep 4 2024 0:22 utc | 249

@Vargas: Indeed.
“WASHINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) – The U.S. is close to an agreement to give Ukraine long-range cruise missiles that could reach deep into Russia, but Kyiv would need to wait several months as the U.S. works through technical issues ahead of any shipment, U.S. officials said.”
I saw another article on a different MSM “News” outlet that said the same
Apparently, it isn’t enough that Sweden and Finland decided to get in on the money laundering, MIC grift, but now it appears the US is about to do something extremely stupid and provoke Russia to the point of a world war.
These Ziocon war pigs will get us all killed

Posted by: Kay | Sep 4 2024 0:22 utc | 250

Skyfall missile is a fantastic weapon but it’s unstable and can only carry a relatively low payload. It’s warehouses can be attacked by NATO with drones, missiles or by planes.
A better choice would be to increase the number of Poseidon UUVs with nukes and develop them as first strike weapons and “whipping boy” weapons. If attacking USA with them is too much of an escalation, attack a US ally with it to send a signal to USA. There are many pro-US countries with coastal economic and population centers.
Russia should also prioritize linking up with a year around warm port ideally in Iran as its Black Sea and Baltic Sea exits can be manipulated by NATO countries. It will also make Central Asian countries and Mongolia access the oceans for their goods. That will keep them firmly under the Russia belt. China’s one belt one road project is now dead. USA killed it.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 4 2024 0:25 utc | 251

but Kyiv would need to wait several months as the U.S. works through technical issues ahead of any shipment, U.S. officials said.
I saw another article on a different MSM “News” outlet that said the same
Posted by: Kay | Sep 4 2024 0:22 utc | 252
They don’t have several months, so unless it’s the usual crap “will be delivered”=”They’re there and being used”, then no problem.
But as we all know most often they “arrive” after being used.
nato has a time machine, that’s why they’ll win 😀 (both assertions false in case anyone missed the sarcasm)
As I mentioned much earlier I see a significant risk of a flock of tomahawks (with unknown charge) being used deep into russia posing as the new miracle ukie cruise missile… I also see that turning very badly and hope there is an idiot with at least 2 working neurons in the west that says “did we really, really think this cunning plan through?”
Hope you’re wrong and I am right (but so do you)

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 0:32 utc | 252

Keme | Sep 3 2024 18:00 utc | 113
*** Like much of Europe, Sweden has also come under the sway of ethnic nationalist supremacy.***
What nonsense is that?
The countries of Europe, including Britain, are — thanks to deliberate actions by their “ruling” political establishments — being steadily taken over by massive inflow of non-ethnics.
These administraitors are the very opposite of “nationalist” … they are actually servant creatures of the WEF and US-empire. Likewise their big-business chiefs and Oligarchs.
A defect particularly notable in those heading the corrupt EU puppet charade.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 4 2024 0:38 utc | 253

Interesting article that may help answer Bernhard’s question about why the training of the Ukrainian radio and radar operators was taking place in Poltava and not in more secure locations.
“Yavorov’s experience taught us nothing”: Ukrainian military man comments on the strike on the Poltava communications institute

… Now Poltava. It is clear that the figures will be understated, but they are already deadly. (…) I do not know why they are still investing money in new buildings at old training grounds and training centers like Desna. Why can’t they create a network of camps in the forests all over Ukraine. And who in the General Staff is responsible for all this? I do not want dismissal. I want (for them) prison at the very least …

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 4 2024 0:53 utc | 254

karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:41 utc | 244
Thanks Karl for your substack. Now your valuable contributions aren’t lost in the detritus of trash off-topic posts.
The material you are making available is not collated anywhere else, so thanks.
~~
Apologies @bar, for feral autocorrect in previous post. Always can be relied on to puncture my pomposity.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 4 2024 1:04 utc | 255

I suggest barflies at least take a look at the first report’s header photo. I’ll bet no barfly knows that Tuva, which was an independent state at the time, was the first to ally with Russia against the Nazis in 1941.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:41 utc | 244
________
. . . which the Tuvans well remember. In fact, the Tuva Republic’s National Archive did a recreation of the day Tuva declared war on Germany (complete with an actor who even looked the part of Salchak Toka), available here.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 4 2024 1:04 utc | 256

Passerby | Sep 3 2024 20:07 utc | 167
*** You could look at NATO as a kind of insurance company. A country pays a fee to the US, and in return the US provides a security guarantee.***
More akin to a “protection racket”, surely?

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 4 2024 1:06 utc | 257

What I noticed in the pic on the Hal Turner site. (linked above)
The group is very young 18? to 25? *[and I personally find the death of Ukraine’s youth the most tragic of this evil enterprise]*
A cluster of females in the front row.
I’ve read several times on telegram that females are increasingly being used as drone operators. And females have long been employed in dispatch and radio comms ….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 4 2024 1:32 utc | 258

How is that being in NATO working out for you, Sweden? 40 dead in one shot. FAFO

Posted by: Anunnaki | Sep 4 2024 2:03 utc | 259

A good result.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 2:07 utc | 260

Jason | Sep 4 2024 0:25 utc | 253
…Russia should also prioritize linking up with a year around warm port ideally in Iran
Have a look into the North-South corridor, transversing the Caspian; the Zangezur Corridor… there’s a lot happening outside the scrutiny of a zombified western msm controlled sheep-pen.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 4 2024 2:15 utc | 261

Russia is assaulting ugledar. Ukrainian information about kursk is silent, Russian info shows small incremental ukrainian gains, but it looks like ukraine has tried half a dozen attacks with just one showing success.
This new massive strike seems to be part of a new wave of long range strikes coupled with an all out assault. Ukraine is withdrawing from cauldrons around donetsk.
Povrosk is looking like a bahkmut style razing, once ukraine puts enough troops in there to increase the efficiency of bombing.
Kupiansk is getting pressured as is seversk. Things may very well be on track for a November end as predicted by many, with a negotiated settlement.
It’s just not clear completely yet if russia will drop some claims. They shouldn’t, but who knows.
Russians assaults are now front wide. It’s carefully husbanded reserves are being used. There’s hundreds of thousands experienced veterans in Russian society now from there contract soldier system. A full scale mobilization of these people for a final push is now becoming a viable possibility.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 4 2024 2:22 utc | 262

about this>>
jord | Sep 3 2024 21:22 utc | 206
why does this website exist…
I’m only grateful that it does.
…why is it not Spammed/ddos’d?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 4 2024 0:19 utc | 250
Mel, please see FYI :

still asking the question: why does this website exist and why is it not Spam/ddos’d? I only got one reply, which was someone saying “it’s a honeypot” and when I asked them, what did they mean by that they did not respond. It would just be nice to have some context: I found this website where everyone is talking about what global elites are doing and their strategies and they just let us talk about it and they don’t care that information is out there. It supposed to be their own amusement to watch us discuss this? do you guys not understand how easy it would be to take this website down if big brother/elites wanted to? obviously people spam here but it’s not that much. i have my theories about some of the disinfo like when canuck claims the west/ukraine/israel is controlled by “the city of london” its pretty easy to see through that. but is that really the entire point?
Posted by: fart | Sep 2 2024 19:19 utc | 141
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/09/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2024-208.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3bae97c200c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3bae97c200c
or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/09/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2024-208/comments/page/2/#comments

I gave Mr Fart a slap but it went over some very big heads. Way too eclectic I assume. Later I said anyone who calls themselves Fart is a dick head wanker. Nothing else needs to be said. Or should I have included ‘immature’ and a ‘waste of time’ as well? Given how ‘slow’ some people are I probably should have.
What difference does talking about this kind of stuff make to anything Mel? Who cares? I don’t. It’s also a waste of time speaking about the obvious limitations and downsides of the ancient cheap nasty software and using ‘typepad’ (?) to operate this website. So I don’t and neither does anyone else most days. People make their own choices and come and go as they please. None of it really matters much. Lawn bowls is also an option for us oldies seeking some companionship.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 2:31 utc | 263

And no one gets to define why people decide to comment here or what they decide to talk about. Try as they may to be self-appointed small minded little Hitlers.
At least the Russians fried a few sick assholes in Poltava. Still waiting on Iran. ?

Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 2:36 utc | 264

Newbie about >> jord | Sep 3 2024 21:22 utc | 206
1) It’s an old site, sure you could try closing it down but that would raise more problems than solve (for the west)
and
2) Do we all care for the same subjects in a similar way? Hardly, but there is a general, at least in what you’d call the regulars, distrust of the powers to be , and their mainstream media “presstitutes”TM.
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 3 2024 23:19 utc | 239
1) WHAT “would raise more problems than solve (for the west)”, if this site was forcibly/underhandedly shut down by tptb?
I don’t get what you’re getting at here?
2) distrust of the powers to be , their mainstream media “presstitutes”TM.”
B and many others seemed happy to trust these MSM intel/propaganda/empire operatives here without batting an eye: or raising a single question about their reports (except myself afaik)
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/09/ukraine-us-experts-throw-the-towel.html
Just putting it out there. No need to reply or rush to defend yourself. No one is under attack.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 2:55 utc | 265

I’m sure they died for a cause that only a nazi could admire.

Posted by: Hahajizzjizz | Sep 4 2024 2:55 utc | 266

I suggest barflies at least take a look at the first report’s header photo. I’ll bet no barfly knows that Tuva, which was an independent state at the time, was the first to ally with Russia against the Nazis in 1941.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:41 utc | 244
Indeed,karlof1, that was an amazing report, thank you so much again. I have just finished so will return for the others tomorrow. I particularly enjoyed the conversation about languages with the young man who was studying English. That plus the revelation concerning Putin’s sleep habits. It’s clear he gets as much from these interactions as do the children themselves.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 4 2024 3:05 utc | 267

‘Speculation about Kursk is still speculation.’
No matter who is providing it.
speculation
noun
1. the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
In everyday language it’s called guessing.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 3:19 utc | 268

Keme (113) “Like much of Europe, Sweden has also come under the sway of ethnic nationalist supremacy.”.
That is not the case; Swedish borders are only to defended if you have full allegiance to globalhomo, something like a Somalina-Syrian transgender lesbian with a hijab. Being a Swedish nationalist is still very wrong in Sweden, but the same people also think the same (same colors!) nationalist ethos is totally cool in Ukraine. Its the current opinion climate in Sweden, and its a very one-dimensional country in that sense

Posted by: FkDahl | Sep 4 2024 3:42 utc | 269

This is a very significant article. Now this journal is pretty much on the realist side but still influential and prestigious.
Basically it is saying:
1. Putin is a strategic operator and generally risk averse. However he made the decision to go all in over Ukraine and he is NOT for turning.
2.It quietly admits the justice of his fears in 2022 without blaring it but agrees many US people think he had real fears for the security of Russia.
3. No point trying to turn him just wait for him to die or quit then seek a solution. Still gung ho about defeating Russia but after Putin goes
4. Is honest about Putin’s reluctance to go all in in Donbass in 2014.
5. Oddly talks about Navalny and Prizoghin being serious opposition. Now we know Navalny was a lightweight with very little real popular and a CIA puppet. It rather supports my suspicion that Prizoghin had also become a puppet.
6. Calls for the US to maintain economic sanctions and defend the Donbass but otherwise just wait Putin out.
Now obviously there is much that is silly in the article but the fact that it is written now indicates desire for US pull back at least from the realist faction (I suspect Burns and co)
Foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/putin-will-never-give-ukraine?utm_medium=newsletters&utm_source=fatoday&utm_campaign=Putin%20Will%20Never%20Give%20Up%20in%20Ukraine&utm_content=20240903&utm_term=EDZZZ003ZX

Posted by: watcher | Sep 4 2024 3:44 utc | 270

Fred isn’t a real troll. He’s just wrong on some things, but sincere. Mostly well-argued logical points. Sure, sometimes Fred attacks other posters, but usually only in response to someone else’s attack. Am I too lenient?

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 3:57 utc | 271

Posted by: watcher | Sep 4 2024 3:44 utc | 272
I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading that deluded tosh, cos I thought you would have provided something thought provoking. But it was just the typical neocon gibberish, misreading everything Putin, everything Russian, not to mehtion the total DENIAL of the present and previous on-ground realities.
Its primary premise for the West to win? — Wait Putin Out, through death or deposition! Ha! It’s 5.5 years till the next RF Pres elections. The guy is a mere 71 years, and fit as a bear. Can anyone imagine what a military and economic and demographic disaster Ukraine WILL BE by then??? Lmao. Not to mention America’s and Europe’s blatant decline trajectory … all whilst Russia and BRICS grow stronger.
Mindless deluded Western thinktank propoganda.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 4 2024 4:14 utc | 272

Not strictly on topic Re: Swedish mercenaries… BUT
I wonder if it’s more than coincidence between the removal of a string of Russian military brass and the recent acceleration on the Ukraine front? Seemingly, they are quite distinct issues – the senior brass removed because of side deals on resources (corruption), the front extending at the expense of Ukrainian overreach. But does the sidelining of a whole layer of brass allow for a younger, more aggressive line of generals to prosecute matters on the front with more adventure?
Mr Belusov over to you…

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Sep 4 2024 4:19 utc | 273

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 4 2024 4:14 utc | 274
Sorry I cannot agree. My whole point is that it is now one of the major US factions publishing it. it is nothing that most of us here did not know and in some ways silly but it is the USA journal of note where it is being published.
We are not its audience mostly. DSaying in public that Putin had real fears and that he is all in over Ukraine is actually a big deal for group think USA and looney UK

Posted by: watcher | Sep 4 2024 4:51 utc | 274

anyone care to comment on this?? i can only see part 1 or 13
Artur Rehi
⁦‪@ArturRehi‬⁩
The FSB has allowed the largest data leak. It’s not just about the electronic documents that were published by “Important Stories” and “Ukrainian Truth”, but the Ukrainian side has also gotten its hands on the documentation of all Russian structures in the Kursk region.
1/13 pic.x.com/jnv5kilotg
looks like stupid propaganda shit to me..
2024-09-03, 7:46 AM

Posted by: james | Sep 4 2024 4:53 utc | 275

https://x.com/ArturRehi/status/1830980750159823351

Posted by: james | Sep 4 2024 4:54 utc | 276

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Sep 4 2024 4:19 utc | 275
Something similar has crossed my mind. Possibly even worse. The problem with corruption, even of the most minor variety, is that is opens the gates for more corruption of a much more serious nature.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 4 2024 4:54 utc | 277


📌 The video confirms previously received information: one of the missiles hit the building of the educational and administrative building directly. Another one destroyed the canteen building on the territory of the facility.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/107869

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 3 2024 16:25 utc | 60

So they got the Danishes, too.

Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 4 2024 5:01 utc | 278

A full scale mobilization of these people for a final push is now becoming a viable possibility.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 4 2024 2:22 utc | 264
Now that it is no longer needed it would probably be the only way Putin could get defeat from the jaws of victory.
No mobilization without nato proper. He sweated for a year not being sure what he had chosen over a general mobilization would be enough. Now he is safe.

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 5:04 utc | 279

I wonder if it’s more than coincidence between the removal of a string of Russian military brass and the recent acceleration on the Ukraine front?
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Sep 4 2024 4:19 utc | 275
Something similar has crossed my mind.
Posted by: watcher | Sep 4 2024 4:54 utc | 279

Time gap between a general officer being appointed and change in the frontline actions because of his appointment is much longer than a month or two.

Posted by: Poslan1 | Sep 4 2024 5:07 utc | 280

From Reuters
Russia launches air attacks on Kyiv, western city of Lviv, Ukraine says

Russia launched missiles and drones on Kyiv and the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, not far from the border with NATO-member Poland, Ukraine’s military said on Wednesday.

I will wait for the details in the morrow….when does surrender come?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 4 2024 5:08 utc | 281

This is OT but it popped into my head so I’ll mention it. For anyone who’s never seen Come and See, Klimov’s absolute masterpiece, go watch it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091251/
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 3 2024 16:41 utc | 72

Here’s the full film on youtube. Mosfilm remastered with English subtitles.
Come and See (2:22:49 long)
…this movie (Come and See) came to my mind also, after:

What a cunt this Britta is…
Kom får ni titta….
Brittas Fitta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLTI2JFwZjw
Posted by: Trond | Sep 3 2024 15:15 utc | 8

The song title “Kom får ni titta…” seems to be Swedish for “Come take a look…

Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 4 2024 5:17 utc | 282

Posted by: watcher | Sep 4 2024 4:51 utc | 276
Yeah I get what YOU’RE trying to say, but I don’t think it signifies anything other than the usual copium hopium mumbo jumbo. All these guys just write pretentious sounding stuff, never ahead of the curve but adjunct to it. It sounds more like self justification of the delusion rather than sensible or strategic or prophetic thinking. They are all paid $$$ to fill journal pages of pure US narrative. If it came from the Pentagon or White House, it might be significant. These pundits all say it’s this or that, never realising their whole premises are twisted. Next month they’ll be “realising” something else “profound” but still trapped in the hegemon paradigm about The Evil Russia/Putin.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 4 2024 5:28 utc | 283

@War is Hell | Sep 3 2024 21:47 utc | 216
Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize purely on the basis of becoming elected US President. He was inaugurated 20 January 2009, and the nomination deadline for the 2009 Peace Price was 31. January 2009.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 5:29 utc | 284

Re: Sweden was early partner in planning 2014 US military overthrow of Ukraine via Swedish International Development Agency (SIDA) and Swedish Embassy. Beginning in 2012, Soros spent two years preparing for 2014 US violent overthrow of Ukraine. This information wasn’t volunteered, it was “leaked,” and Soros complained to the FBI:
8/30/2016, “It is the degree to which Soros provided finances, logistics, and other support to the Ukrainian coup plotters
in 2012,
two years before the Euromaidan uprising, that is noteworthy. OSF and its affiliates
provided entire buildings, office space, computers, software, broadband Internet, videoconferencing equipment, vehicles,
travel to the United States,
and other material for the Euromaidan uprising.
This was all done with the cooperation of the US and Swedish embassies in Kiev,
USAID, the Carnegie Endowment,
the Swedish International Development Agency (SIDA),
and the Central Intelligence Agency-linked National Endowment for Democracy (NED).”…Aug. 30, 2016, “Soros Ran US Foreign Policy on Post-Coup Ukraine,” Wayne Madsen, Strategic Culture…”Open Society Foundations, the Soros group, reported the breach to the Federal Bureau of Investigation in June [2016], said spokeswoman Laura Silber.”…Aug. 11, 2016, “[Alleged] Russian Hackers of DNC [allegedly] Said to Nab Secrets From NATO, Soros,” Bloomberg, Michael Riley

Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 4 2024 5:30 utc | 285

It’s never going to end well for Na3i tourists in Russia.
Go home.
Be satisfied with football hooliganism.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 4 2024 5:51 utc | 286

susan mullen
“Soros provided finances, logistics, and other support to the Ukrainian coup plotters”
Soros.
I am literally going to dance on his grave.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 4 2024 5:54 utc | 287

@FkDahl | Sep 4 2024 3:42 utc | 271

Being a Swedish nationalist is still very wrong in Sweden, but the same people also think the same (same colors!) nationalist ethos is totally cool in Ukraine.

I am not Swedish, but the above is obviously an important factual contradiction to keep in mind. It is the well known doublethink:
Doublethink – the act of holding, simultaneously, two opposite, individually exclusive ideas or opinions and believing in both simultaneously and absolutely.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 6:00 utc | 288

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 4 2024 1:06 utc | 259
Touché.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 4 2024 6:04 utc | 289

“The defeat at Khalkhin Gol must have seared itself deeply into the Japanese psyche, because during 1942 when the Soviets were preoccupied with defending their western borders and lands against Nazi Germany’s invasion, the Japanese actually had an opportunity to attack what would have been lightly defended borders in the Soviet Far East. They did not take up that opportunity though some people in the Imperial government and armed forces must have seen that and suggested taking that chance.”
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 3 2024 23:45 utc | 245
Khalkhin Gol was a humiliating defeat of the Japanese, comparable to, say, a similar one-sided defeat … the other way … in 1905. I don’t think they had any appetite for another beating.
It took some vigorous efforts by the Allies (US,UK) to convince the Soviets to enter the war against the Japanese. They made sure that Nazi Germany was defeated before they did so; and, once again, the result was a military thrashing (August Storm).
Soviet historians in the 1980s, and earlier, argued that this military defeat – and not the war crime of dropping atomic bombs on the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – was the prime factor in the surrender of Japan. US propaganda, however, has been remarkably successful in brainwashing millions the other way, in spite of the facts.

Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Sep 4 2024 6:31 utc | 290

https://forpeace.us/who-we-are

Please contact Britta Ellwanger (britta@forpeace.us) if you are in possession of body armor, …

…can’t make this stuff up.

Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 4 2024 6:39 utc | 291

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:20 utc | 240
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 3 2024 23:45 utc | 245
Thank you both for pointing this out. The battle of Kolken Gol is almost unknown in the West, and it’s overall importance to the subsequent fighting around Moscow a few years later completely glossed over. I have posted on this before in (much) earlier threads, and will not repeat myself here, But as : Refinnejenna @245 remarked-
After their defeat in Mongolia in 1939, the Japanese did not take the opportunity to try attacking the Soviets again while Germany was pressing Moscow very hard from the West. Had this occurred Hitler would have been delighted, and I’m certain that some political factions within the UK would also have been (quietly) chuffed.
After Kolken Gol the Japanese imperialists decided that an expansion to the North by land into Manchuria and Siberia would be “put on hold” (they never entirely abandoned the idea), and instead opted for a Navy lead campaign to move South into SE Asia. This was largely successful until Pearl Harbour brought the USA into the war.
However, the Soviets were convinced that an immediate threat from Japan had receded, and this allowed them to divert a large force (several divisions) of battle-hardened troops to the West. These soldiers were very important to the Soviet counter attack during the defence of Moscow.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Sep 4 2024 6:44 utc | 292

Arioch | Sep 3 2024 19:20 utc | 148–
Putin didn’t “rush” to Mongolia. He was invited to celebrate the joint Russsian/Mongolian victory over Japan in the battle that made Zhukov famous, Khalkhin Gol. I reported the complete trek first to Tuva then to Mongolia in four different postings at my substack.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 23:20 utc | 240

just in case this hasn’t been seen:
Mongolia was meant to arrest Russia’s President Putin last night. It didn’t, and now it’s in trouble
CNBC has spoken.

Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 4 2024 6:46 utc | 293

The Brits always wanted another Crimean war.
Looks like they’ll get it now, but in Odessa.
Nice harvest of Brit Nazis on the way when Russia moves on Odessa.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 4 2024 6:46 utc | 294

retroflecks
Mongolia needs to identify the Nazi frauleins from CNBC who trash talked about Mongolia. They should be barred from ever entering Mongolia and other sanctions taken against them. It’s time BRICS started moving aggressively against the Fourth Reich, teaching them to shut their mouths and mind their own business. And send them lots of pain to help them understand.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 4 2024 6:53 utc | 295

Posted by: N. Hanrahan | Sep 4 2024 6:31 utc | 292
Nukes over Japan, reasons:
A: testing your toys ( 2 versions )
A2: having research access to the real effects on living beings
B: showing the new hammer to the Soviets.
c: unconditional Japanese surrender ( after 45 Japan was more or less a US Mil Colony .. )

Posted by: MAKK | Sep 4 2024 6:54 utc | 296

D: the pacific war had to end before the Soviets entered the Domain.
( 6 month after termination of hostilities in Europe.)
US: keeping all the loot to themselves.

Posted by: MAKK | Sep 4 2024 6:56 utc | 297

Posted by: Boo | Sep 3 2024 23:28 utc | 242
Most opinion here’s been shaped by western analysts and pundits, all of which are conspicuous in lacking even the most diplomatic of reformist critique when it comes to RF MoD.
This skewed perspective is tirelessly reinforced by at least a handful of salaried Empire collaborators, using all kinds of guff in the manner of “well played, sir”, “don’t sweat it, bro”, “this is advantageous, if you’re smart enough to get it”, arguments that’d provoke gales laughter if the protagonists were reversed. Some unbelievable rubbish gets quoted here, slogans from blatant cope clowns.
You’ve posted excellent information and links in the past, posting links and recommendations of worthwhile sources might influence thing for the better.
Here’s something you posted ages ago; an author attempting to inform, not police:
https://ilyavaliev.livejournal.com/9514106.html

US spy plane near Crimea again. Three powerful responses from the West if we shoot it down
Yes, the head of the Pentagon called Belousov. Yes, Belousov publicly called on his subordinates in the Ministry of Defense to take care of the issue of American drones flying in the Black Sea. Yes, they did not fly there at all for several days.
But firstly, now they have different tactics. First, the English RC-135 with a crew and cover of two fighters was an eyesore.
And after that, a Boeing P-8A Poseidon spy plane was spotted in Romanian airspace. In the company of a Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker flying tanker, which was refueling the air spy. It was noted that the American’s task was electronic reconnaissance on the territory of the Russian peninsula.
An active military pilot, host of the Fighterbomber channel, writes that attacking reconnaissance aircraft with weapons is out of the question even in theory.
It didn’t even stand up to drones, let alone airplanes.
Now the question. Why didn’t you stand with drones? What are we afraid of? After all, the majority believes that if we shoot it down, nothing will happen. No Third World War will start. In general, everything will be as light as with the Houthis.
And here is precisely the question.
Experts believe that there are three options for how the US will respond to this. And this is allegedly why our military-political leadership fundamentally avoids any abrupt moves towards the Americans.
Few people talk about this in the public space, but Russia is very weak in the World Ocean. In addition, our economy is heavily dependent on exports. The combination of these two factors gives the United States the broadest opportunities to escalate the conflict in a format convenient for them.
First , Washington may start hunting for tankers of our “shadow fleet” that export oil in defiance of sanctions. The “shadow fleet” is one of the few windows through which our economy receives large volumes of currency. We need currency to buy huge volumes of electronic components used to manufacture aircraft, anti-aircraft systems, missiles and many other types of weapons.
The second possible American response is to destroy our contingents in Africa. Surely everyone knows that Russia is successfully pushing the French and the Americans themselves out of the Black Continent. The process is going steadily, but right now our forces in Africa are not comparable to what the Americans can put up against them. Advancement in African countries is considered by our leadership as one of the long-term priorities, which will bear fruit for decades.
In the most severe case, the option of a quick strike to liberate our Baltic territories from the Chukhon regimes remains. But exchanging access to huge Africa with its colossal resources for the premature return of the dying patch of the Baltics is a very bad idea.
The third option is to establish a naval blockade. Russia’s fleet is weak, and we will not be able to do anything if NATO decides to block the exits from the Baltic and Black Seas. In this scenario, Russia will immediately lose the bulk of its foreign trade. And there are no options for unblocking the straits without starting a full-scale nuclear war on our part.
The blockade of the Kaliningrad region should also be included here (as a sub-option). In 2022, Lithuania already blocked the railway connection with the region. If the blockade of land routes is supplemented by mining the sea, we get a very difficult situation, which is unclear how to resolve without a major European war.
As you can see, none of the possible US responses is a direct unleashing of a world war, but these actions can be very sensitive for us. So, when we do not hit the American drone head-on – for Sevastopol, for “Novocherkassk”, for the Crimeans and our Black Sea fleet, we must understand what consequences our command is calculating.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 4 2024 7:24 utc | 298

The Turkish roots of Swedish Meatballs… due to the battle of Poltava:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/swedish-meatballs-turkey

Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 4 2024 8:45 utc | 299

“i have my theories about some of the disinfo like when canuck claims the west/ukraine/israel is controlled by “the city of london” its pretty easy to see through that.”

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It is a metaphor if you like; but it is exactly correct from a historical point of view
It was in London that the great last fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic fantasies took place
The Power is in the Mental Software, a great mental pie that arouses identity, after all a god serves to kill, enslave and extract taxes
The Biblical-Roman Software in its latest version (1962/67-) is installed in heads that some come from the Yiddish people and live in New York, Washington, California, Hungary, France, London … and others come from Sweden, the hardware is irrelevant

Posted by: Simon | Sep 4 2024 8:52 utc | 300