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September 26, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-229

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

According to the Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (14 September – 20 September 2024) the Ukrainian military lost a total of 24 tanks and 125 other Armored Fighting Vehicles during that week.

Of these only 6 tanks and 18 AFV were lost along the 1,000+ kilometer frontline within Ukraine. A total of 18 tanks and 117 AFV were lost due to the Ukrainian incursion of the Russian Kursk oblast.

This emphasizes the fact that the Ukrainian forces has used most of its material resources into the morale lifting public-relation campaign in Kursk without achieving much else, if anything, of value. There is little chance that any of the losses incurred during that short campaign will ever get a replacement.

The incursion will thus become a historic lecture of how not to employ ones scarce resources for short term political reasons.

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To the people discussing the role of gold. Gold is money; fiat is debt. Gold is a store of value; fiat always depreciates. Some have pointed out that gold’s rise in value is matched by the rise in other commodities. I have a personal example.
Dad bought our house in 1960 in suburban Toronto for C$14,800, or about 400 oz of gold at the time. Two years ago, a house down the street sold for just over $1 million, or about 400 oz of gold. In 60 years, the fiat currency is only worth 2% of what it was worth before. You don’t buy gold to ‘get rich’; you buy gold to ‘stay rich’.

Posted by: KevinB | Sep 27 2024 3:13 utc | 201

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 27 2024 2:47 utc | 204
>> You have nothing posted here since start of this UKR thread .. What you complaining about?
Posted by: Activist Potato | Sep 27 2024 3:00 utc | 207
“Well, I did not mean to pollute this thread…was simply commenting on a post in this thread that would not have been properly contextualized in another thread. I will read your post in the Open Thread, but I think your “thread” argument in this case is a bit pedantic, even if strictly correct. “
Don’t let bother you, don’t let insult – Some guys fear the truth anyway ..

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 27 2024 3:17 utc | 202

“Canada is a major gold producer ..” – really? What numbers related to the Ukranian reserves?
Pls keep close to this UKR Topic’s thread and/or latest US/UK attacks on ‘deep state’ Russian territory. Thanks.

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 27 2024 3:28 utc | 203

Posted by: petra | Sep 26 2024 12:20 utc | 11
This is the worst kind of pressganging, when no one supports the war or its devious goals except for far-off Amerikan planners way over the western curvature huddled in their parochial bubble and small bands of Amerikan-nurtured staybehinders planted across the world. On par with the boys pressed into service on the old man-o’wars.
In stupid but inevitable grand war (FWW), men may grumble at mobilisation and curse their luck but shrug at history-to-come as they trudge to their fate. In Just War (GPW) they see the purpose and understand the moral imperatives and step boldly, sometimes to fail(36-39), sometimes to succeed (41-45).
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Great post Petra.
Áobh

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Sep 27 2024 5:00 utc | 204

Some other On-Topic comments just copied from ‘everywhere’ regarding the current UKR war situation after having presented some points of a “Victory Plan” of the Ukranian’s Mister Piano-Cock Z. – aka “President” , presented today:

“I think the first time I saw video of a new thermite incendiary drone for lighting tree lines on fire was less than two weeks ago, and now it seems I’m seeing their use every day, so they must work well. There is some famous video from the World trade Center on 9/11/01, where a corner of a tower is letting out a waterfall of sparks a few minutes before the collapse. The white-hot waterfall of molten metal was the same color temperature as these thermite incendiaries give off. A heavier corner column of the WTC was too big to cut with the explosive squibs used on other columns, so it got a thermite cutting charge, caught on camera.”

“… Zelensky withdrew from the talks at the last moment. According to Ukrainian negotiator David Arakhamia, former US Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, and several Ukrainian media reports, the US and UK were instrumental in convincing elensky to abandon negotiations.” …

The ruling classed throughout NATO and Friends want anything and everything else which they could blame for the collapses’ Great Reset.
.. The war in the Ukraine is another banksters’ war. However, it necessarily becomes more desperate.

Some others also think about what’s coming next ..

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 27 2024 5:24 utc | 205

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 26 2024 20:02 utc | 122
A total of 18 tanks and 117 AFV were lost due to the Ukrainian incursion of the Russian Kursk oblast ..
.. This emphasizes the fact that the Ukrainian forces has used most of its material resources into the morale lifting public-relation campaign in Kursk without achieving much else, if anything, of value. ..”
Pls excuse, though a “total of 18 tanks and 117 AFV were lost” may be great for today, that’s only a ‘lot’ by means of an effective counter meausures by RF.
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The loss figures are nonsense!
They are probably closer to reality.
In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 17,400 military personnel, 130 tanks, 62 infantry fighting vehicles, 95 armored personnel carriers, 824 armored fighting vehicles, 525 cars, 142 artillery pieces and 31 multiple rocket launchers, including eight HIMARS and six MLRS from the USA, eight launchers for anti-aircraft missile systems, five transport-loading vehicles, 35 electronic warfare stations, eight counter-battery radars, two air defense radars, 18 technical units and other equipment, including 11 technical clearance vehicles, one missile clearance system -77 and one armored recovery vehicle.

Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 5:26 utc | 206

The deep state is ending the war against Russia. Trump has been campaigning on ending the war. Now that the war against Russia has failed, the deep state will use Trump for the face of the war on China. Last time, the deep state were not behind him because Trump wanted detente with Russia so he could attack China.
Trump is virtually guaranteed to be inaugurated as the next President in January.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 27 2024 3:52 utc | 215
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New target China, that may be, but the deep state must be clear about one thing…
Against China now means AGAINST CHINA & Russia + North Korea.
The deep state itself created this constellation, and forced it, by literally driving Russia into the arms of China and into an alliance with North Korea.
Russia the raw materials, China millions of soldiers, North Korea the madness to push the button.
AND NO COUNTRY in the world could currently do without the Russians’ raw materials without going under, at least economically.
See Europe, without Russian raw materials it cannot survive, never compete.
Example Reinmetall…who are CURRENTLY NOT in a position to build a SINGLE tank without raw materials.

Posted by: ossi | Sep 27 2024 5:36 utc | 207

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary for the Morning of 27 September 2024; 06:59 (GMT+3)⚡️
🎯During the night, ‘Geranium’ UAVs struck targets in the enemy’s port cities of #Odessa, #Izmail and #Reni. Yesterday afternoon, strikes were carried out, including by hypersonic Kinzhals on the military airfield of #Starokonstantinov. There were speculations that the targets of the Russian missiles could have been hangars with F-16s. It also became known that as a result of strikes with new FABs with UMPC and UMPB in the city of #Zaporozhye, an object with enemy UAVs produced at the Motor Sich Plant has been hit.
🛡In the Rostov region near #Novoshakhtinsk this night, six UAVs were destroyed. As a result of falling debris in a field, grass caught fire. The fire was promptly extinguished by the on-duty rescue services.
🔹In the #Kursk region, in the Sudzhansky district, the RFAF advanced with heavy fighting near the settlement of #Plekhovo, repelling four counterattacks by the AFU with a total personnel strength of up to a company. On the Korenevsky section of the front, our troops are advancing and clearing the adjacent the adjacent forest areas and forest belts from the enemy. In the Glushkovsky district, three attempts by the AFU to break through to the village of #Veseloye have been thwarted.
🔹In the #Pokrovsk direction, the Russian Army is making its way towards #Mirnograd. The eastern and central parts of #Nikolayevka have been occupied, and assaults are being carried out in the western and northern directions. In nearby #KrasnyYar, our units have advanced into the central part of the settlement. In the south in #Gornyak, the RFAF are gaining ground on the outskirts, and footage of strikes on AFU positions in the town is circulating.📸👆
🔹In #Ugledar, Russian assault groups have occupied several houses in the eastern part of the town. The western part is under constant strikes by our FABs with UMPC and MLRSs.
🔹On the #Vremyevka ledge, the front has also come into motion. The Russian Army has taken up positions north of #Staromayorskoye in an area up to 4.5 kilometres wide.
💥In the #Belgorod region, near the village of #Grafovka, Krasnoyaruzhsky district, a tractor working in a field ran into an explosive device, and the driver was injured. In the Shebekinsky urban district, #Belyanka and #Bezlyudovka were shelled. In the village of #Murom, a private house caught fire as a result of an FPV drone attack.
💥In the #DPR, in the Petrovsky district of #Donetsk, a fire was extinguished after AFU shelling in the immediate vicinity of a firefighting tanker truck, resulting in a second strike that injured six firefighters.

https://t.me/two_majors/32649

Posted by: Down South | Sep 27 2024 6:06 utc | 208

Russian troops advanced west of Ugledar, reaching the highway that leads to Bogoyavlenka.
At the same time, the exit to the highway was further south than the fork to Ugledar. And although the city itself is not physically cut off completely, all remaining country roads are under fire control of the Russian Armed Forces. And in the city itself, the southeastern quarters have already been captured.
Therefore, even if the soldiers of the 72nd Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are approved to withdraw from the city, which will obviously be captured soon, they will clearly not be able to withdraw without losses.

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20988

The situation in the Kursk direction remains stably tense, fighting continues in various areas.
Ukrainian troops are attacking in the Veseloye area. At the same time, in the vicinity of Novy Put, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are accumulating reserves for a further offensive in the direction of Glushkovo.
Ukrainian forces also attempted to counterattack in the area of ​​Lyubimovka and Olgovka.
In addition, there are clashes in the vicinity of Plekhovo in the forests to the east, halfway to Borki. At the same time, no changes are observed in the LBS.

https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20990

Posted by: Down South | Sep 27 2024 6:15 utc | 209

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk Direction: Local Battles, AFU Buildup in Sumy Region
Situation as of the end of September 26, 2024
The situation in Kursk Region remains tense, with ongoing battles in various sectors.
🔻Ukrainian formations are attacking in the area of Veseloye in Glushkovo District. And in the vicinity of Novy Put, there are signs of personnel buildup for a further offensive towards Glushkovo.
🔻In Korenevo District, the Russian Aerospace Forces are active, with no changes in control zones observed. However, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, Ukrainian formations attempted to counterattack in the Lyubimovka area, but without success. The enemy, in turn, claims its own successes near Olhovka, but this is not confirmed by objective control footage.
🔻Meanwhile, in Sudzha District, the enemy is redeploying forces to the vicinity of Plekhovo, where battles are ongoing in the forests east, halfway to Borki. No attacks or changes in control zones are recorded, and on the adjacent territory of Sumy Region, the Russian Armed Forces continue to systematically suppress the artillery of Ukrainian formations.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17996

Posted by: Down South | Sep 27 2024 6:18 utc | 210

Still a remaining question/issue to be followed up within next days .. Any thermal sat-pics having captured above Toropets ground so far? .. You probally will see still very hot hotspots there, same as on NewYork’s ‘ground-zero’. Or not yet..?
Posted by: SB2UB | Sep 27 2024 5:24 utc | 219
“At this point one has to very seriously fear about the ability of Russia to respond to an actual strategic attack. How long will it take these bozos to figure out whether they should press the red button in response or not? And where was the mythical Perimeter system after Toropets? Also, how is it that two JASSMs (or whatever else that was) got so easily through all the way to Toropets, which is still 250-300 km from the border with Latvia? What does that tell us about Russian ability to detect such launches and then stop them with air defense? Questions…”
The Russian ‘Strategical Defense Doctrine’ has changed into a more Tactical Doctrine now, but every Western states still ignore that “new red line”, shall see how long Nuland/Blinken may “resist by words” on that ..
US: you’re out-of any danger, out of nuclear missile range! Happy US people, pls feel always safe behind your 2 oceans, if knowing what an ocean might be with underground enemies ..

Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 27 2024 6:20 utc | 211

…It must be something in the food or the water, that cause people to behave like goldfish.
Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 26 2024 14:00 utc | 39

or something in the air:
Study Reveals 0.5 Percent Microplastic in Human Brain Tissue
Scientists Find Microplastics Breathed Into Brain

Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 27 2024 7:08 utc | 212

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 26 2024 23:21 utc | 168
Probably, a) because most people’s predictions were based on common sense, and b) the Ukrainians changed the operational intent, when the plan failed to survive its first contact with the enemy.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 27 2024 7:46 utc | 213

LoveDonbass, Konami and Passerby,
Assuming that the US made Germany into a “spent force”, wouldn’t that (plus the USA’s role in destroying the Nord Stream pipelines) only reinforce Friedman’s quote, if not only serve as a stark reminder of the depravity of the Outlaw US Empire?

The primordial interest of the US is to split Russia and Germany, because united they are the only force that could threaten us.
– George Friedman, Stratfor

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/109534
Video of speech in link
Posted by: Down South | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 45

Posted by: joey_n | Sep 27 2024 8:04 utc | 214

@Peter AU1 | Fri, 27 Sep 2024 03:52:00 GMT | 215

Trump is virtually guaranteed to be inaugurated as the next President in January.

Don’t be shocked and surprised when that doesn’t happen.

Posted by: James M. | Sep 27 2024 8:13 utc | 215

Someone needs to write a program for the comment sections at the MOA bar.
the program would allow members of the MOA bar to classify(by voting) the subject matter of a particular post as “off topic wrte subject matter of the thread” and in that same vote they would also indicate which of the available other threads it would be appropriate for? Once a min. number was reached, the software would remove the post from its original thread and post it to the thread or threads that voters identified in their votes to the comment.
ex. Joe says “electricity is invisible” on this, today’s thread, and next to Joe’s comment is a vote box where readers would
suggest Joes post belongs (let’s say B keeps five different threads going at one time). So there would be four options to check (vote on). Once the votes in any of the four reaches a certain min. number.. the comment would be removed to the other threads (the last thread would be a catch all). In the place were the out of category comment appeared, there would be the message Joe’s comment has been removed to the XYZ thread.
Something like this may discourage off topic comments from taking over the thread. How difficult would it be to write such a program. and to get it into B’s software platform?

Posted by: snake | Sep 27 2024 8:34 utc | 216

Posted by: joey_n | Sep 27 2024 8:04 utc | 230
Assuming that the US made Germany into a “spent force”, wouldn’t that (plus the USA’s role in destroying the Nord Stream pipelines) only reinforce Friedman’s quote, if not only serve as a stark reminder of the depravity of the Outlaw US Empire?

I think of it as a strategic subgoal, like getting an advanced pawn in Chess. That goal has been achieved for now. There are follow-ups to come: getting as much German/EUropean industry to the US homeland, for example. *If* Germany ever recovers and gets up by cheap Russian energy, then the subgoal will move up the priority ladder again. But up to now: a resounding success. The aftermath will occupy media and Germany for a while, it has only just begun to sink in.
A much bigger worry for Washington, and it’s no secret: officials says so, is the tight Russia-China cooperation. You can see how the USA actively try to hamper it, and again with some success: Chinese banks stopping cooperation with Russian companies for fear of the US market.
Some context: Friedman’s speech is from 2015, IIRC. Obama’s “pivot to China” was 2012. Taking out Germany has additional bonus effects radiating through all of EU.
I don’t see what depravity has to do with it. We’re talking about an empire: moral judgments are irrelevant.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 27 2024 8:44 utc | 217

@snake | Sep 27 2024 8:34 utc | 231
All you need is a limit on the number of posts each poster can make to each thread. Today the ‘cost’ of each post is zero because you can post infinitely many. If for example the limit was 5 posts per person per thread it would become a limited resource to be managed and thread bombing would become more difficult. Of course it would not solve the issue of sock puppets, but they would likely become more easy to spot.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2024 8:53 utc | 218

I understand how a kinetic warhead works, a baseball hitting a target at close to the speed of light will exploded like an atom bomb, it’s how meteorites work, but how do you combine both a passive kinetic warhead traveling at say mach 20 and 1500kg of high explosive? Won’t the kinetic impact obliterate the chemical explosive, or visa versa if the chemical explosion is somehow timed won’t it destroy the kinetic warhead?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 8:53 utc | 219

Posted by: snake | Sep 27 2024 8:34 utc | 217
It wouldn’t be hard. But my guess is that he does not want to complicate things and to keep the blog minimal. Also I feel that that sort of system could be abused by trolls to move on-topic posts to dead threads where nobody will see them.

Posted by: anonymous | Sep 27 2024 8:58 utc | 220

The sealing and other techniques have never been shown to exist for mass gassings. Yes, many hundreds of thousands or millions were shot and ‘holocausted’ but the continual bullshit about ‘historically’ documented gassings of Jews and anyone else without direct links to evidentiary technical proof is more propaganda. Just like the conquistador claims of hundreds of thousands of human sacrifices per month by machinations Aztecs.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 27 2024 9:07 utc | 221

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2024 8:53 utc | 219
Unz review did something similar years ago with some success. He set up an internal timer and if you post too much you have to wait an hour. The other thing he did was add a number to identify people who wanted to post anonymously so you could differentiate between them. Another way I’ve seen is to charge people some token subscription fee if they want to post. You’d be surprised how cheap thread bombers are.

Posted by: anonymous | Sep 27 2024 9:09 utc | 222

🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🏴‍☠️🎉The Ukronazis in Ugledar probably have some kind of holiday.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/128592

🇷🇺👉🏁🇩🇪🇺🇦 Western countries trained about 127 thousand military personnel for Ukraine, and Vladimir Zelensky then killed them.
This was stated by Maria Zakharova.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/128593

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2024 9:22 utc | 223

vargas | Sep 10 2024 12:10 utc | 412 — “…I must say, I always listen what Dima says, as he is my only source of information…”
vargas | Sep 12 2024 19:59 utc | 71 — We should spend as much time as possible with family and friends
vargas | Sep 21 2024 11:05 utc | 291 — We must face the reality. Ukraine us still very strong.
vargas | Sep 23 2024 21:53 utc | 321 — That is maybe Dima’s speculation. I do not understand what is going on
vargas | Sep 25 2024 7:40 utc | 608 — According to the latest Simplicius
he is still here — no time for family and friends
or he has NO family and friends
AND
he do not understand
AND
Dima is no longer my only source of information

Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 27 2024 9:23 utc | 224

Peter AU1 @ 185

The easy way to check is compare economies before and after the introduction of the petro-dollar. Compare general prosperity before and after the petro-dollar.

There it is in an empirical nutshell, QED.
Problem is 50ys on maybe one in thousand people understand that the petrodollar is a Ponzi that brought untold wealth to a small minority while allowing the deindustrialization, with all the concomitant and collateral damage, of the USA and related economies. When Trump or any other American politician well meaning or charlatan, talks about keeping the dollar strong he is talking about protecting the petrodollar, keeping the parasite alive, certainly not about a return to gold and the return to productive capitalism.
I have well meaning friends from Wall St. from top investment banks that if you bring up the decline and the now well apparent disaster that the great Ponzi petrodollar ushered in, will agree in part, but it only puts a dent in the vehicle of their dogma, the car keeps driving on. If you can barely dent the people best able to understand that driving a stake through the heart of the petrodollar is the only chance to restore western prosperity and prevent to slide from democracy to fascism, how much chance do you have with the masses?
On the other hand there’s Upton Sinclair’s famous observation that, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”. Normal people might be more ignorant but less ossified, who is harder to liberate from dogma, the priest or the parishioner? It always amazes me how Marx’s extremely difficult economic tomes spread like wildfire across the poor and workers of globe in a mere 70ys, majority of which at the time were illiterate. It’s a mistake to write off the hoi polloi, I’m optimistic, if we can avoid WW3 and the slide to demagoguery.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 9:56 utc | 225

James M. @ 231

Don’t be shocked and surprised when that doesn’t happen.

Seems beyond stupid for Zelensky to have dissed Trump and Vance if not ostensibly the GOP in his recent USA junket. He’s not a lone wolf, there’s no improv here, there’s an entire team of advisers, managers, and screenwriters behind him.
Maybe he/they know the fix is in?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 10:06 utc | 226

LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 10:06 utc | 227
“Seems beyond stupid for Zelensky to have dissed Trump and Vance if not ostensibly the GOP in his recent USA junket. He’s not a lone wolf, there’s no improv here, there’s an entire team of advisers, managers, and screenwriters behind him.
Maybe he/they know the fix is in?”

“The fix” certainly is in. (Surely you don’t think these elections are real?) The only question is which Zionist puppet the Jews will decide to install, and whether there’s any significant conflict between who Netanyahoo’s Zionists prefer (probably Trump) as opposed to who the US Jews prefer (probably Harris).
Trump by now is an extreme Zionist-genocidist performance artist whose only real position is Maximum Zionist. He’s also been more interested in economically-motivated confrontation with China than ideologically-motivated confrontation with Russia. Meanwhile whoever makes the decisions in the “Biden” administration, for all the ambivalence the US has shown, is still reliably supporting the hohols.
For those reasons Zelensky and his team may have decided it wasn’t worth sucking up to the Reps. Which seems pretty stupid, since it wouldn’t have cost them anything to do it anyway.

Posted by: flying dutchman | Sep 27 2024 10:39 utc | 227

On the day that Zhelensky presents his victory plan to Joe Biden,
quite a number of decisive events took place on the Ukraine battlefield:
– Vugledar was completely 100% encircled by Russian forces. Not “operational encirclement” with fire control but actual physical encirclement by Russian held territory. Surrender of Ukrainian forces there is gathering pace, Mariupol-style.
– Russian forces entered the city of Pokrovsk
– Another big encirclement of die-hard Ukrainian forces is taking shape a little south of the Pokrovsk front
– An important Russian advance in Toretsk might be the tipping point for Russian seizure of that town
– An important Russian advance in Chasiv Yar might be the tipping point for Russian seizure of that town
– In the Kupyansk region Russian forces are close to reaching the Oskol river, cutting in half the Ukrainian forces east of the Oskol (although its not a done deal and the Ukrainians are repelling some Russian attacks).
– A major new Russian attack may be developing in the Zaporozhiye direction moving north from the retaken Rabotino
– The collapse of the Ukrainian’s Kursk salient is accelerating with Ukraine switching out high quality forces to be replaced by territorial defence brigades. Another turning point.
– However in Volchansk (or Vovchansk?) after Ukrainian forces retook the “aggregate plant” Russians are retreating to straighen their lines.
Presumably Zhelensky’s victory plan only referred to the aggregate plant in Volchansk.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 27 2024 10:40 utc | 228

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 27 2024 10:40 utc | 229
These last weeks what started out as tendrils has grown in girth and is currently growing hooks to slash the AFU defense lines from top to bottom.
What happens when they all pull at the same time?
Retreat, and a point few if any have mentioned. AFU barely organizes at brigade level, when 3 or 4 retreat to the same area what will we see? Any defense coordination will probably be absent and even the simplest decision (A defends, others retreat for reserves) will likely fail as A might decide to retreat with the others…
My 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 27 2024 11:05 utc | 229

Ukraine Weekly Update, 27th Sept 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-22d

Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 27 2024 11:05 utc | 230

Previously posted this on the wrong thread. My apologies.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/missile-strike-f16s-ground-ukraine
So that’s about a third (?) of them gone already.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 27 2024 11:14 utc | 231

Western countries trained about 127 thousand military personnel for Ukraine, and Vladimir Zelensky then killed them. This was stated by Maria Zakharova.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 27 2024 9:22 utc | 224
Is that a good or bad thing to her? It depends on how many Russians they have killed and what damage have done, Nato sees it as a great deal anyway. Using zombie Ukros to attack creates a ratio of over 1:100 for Nato, even better than bombing men in slippers and with zero danger for US. The little slow smo with no economic sanctions is helping Nato do even more than they wanted. It was the same before smo, in the many years since Maidan, when they had no problems doing anything they wanted in Ukr.

Posted by: rk | Sep 27 2024 11:24 utc | 232

Russia is too soft to win this war. These captives will be released in 2 months and be back fighting on the front somewhere. Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 26 2024 19:16 utc | 116
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She said 500,000+ 200s and 300s later. Womp Womp.
Maybe, they will return to the Nazis to tell them the truth about Russian captivity.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2024 20:08 utc | 124
Exactly. Send a few back rested and well fed and many many more might choose life.

Posted by: Inki | Sep 27 2024 11:26 utc | 233

After a low value for June, the July numbers for excess mortality are in.
RF KIA for July should be 6.750 (almost 5.550 raw excess mortality + 1.200 correction)
If we check the AFU casualties for July it was 60.630 so an almost 9 in the kill ratio.
Not bad but, if we add up Kursk, this would probably mean 15.000 RF permanent losses (Kia+wia) per month, half of recruitment and almost double of what was standard during the first year and a half.
This means end game. Such high numbers and a near 10x kill ratio means this hurts RF but kills AFU.
Milites, care to comment?

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 27 2024 11:26 utc | 234

It is amazing that Ukrainians in Ughledar do not want to surrender.
They would rather die for western capitalism and the feeling that they are loved in Europe.
Ukrainians must be very stupid.
Putin never expected this level of fanaticism.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 27 2024 11:31 utc | 235

Previously posted this on the wrong thread. My apologies.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/missile-strike-f16s-ground-ukraine
So that’s about a third (?) of them gone already.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Sep 27 2024 11:14 utc | 233
Not really they have 60+ on call outside
Important would be if the 2 f16 flying out had pilots and they were put out of combat. (less than a dozen)

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 27 2024 11:32 utc | 236

“I think of it as a strategic subgoal”

E x a c t l y
The destruction of Germany and in any case the subjugation of the club of European Eu-nuchs was and is the consolation prize of the monstrous Ukrainian Gambit (1997-): sacrificing half a million or a million Ukrainian pawns out of hatred for Russia
The Russian ruling class suffers from the same class blindness as Kaiser Wilhelm II who believed he belonged to the club.
The German ruling class dreamed of (ca. 1910) turning Ukraine into a province of the German Reich; after all, Russians and Ukrainians, Slavs, are of an inferior class.
The German ruling class was unable to see that in London eyes they were as if they were Slavs.
And in the Ukrainian gambit we see how the blind Russian ruling class prefers thousands and thousands of young Russians to die rather than bother the Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians and Belarusians who hold the reins (1962/67-) of the Anglo-imperial beast.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 27 2024 11:35 utc | 237

Learn to negotiate again – you knew how to do it before.
Yuriy Sinodov
Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 14:49 utc | 56
Much better would be to destroy all NATO SSBNs at once.
They are usually being stalked by Russian nuclear attack subs the very moment they leave harbour and then on its a game of mouse and cat between them.
Obviously there happen to be moments when all 14 NATO SSBNs are in the crosshairs of Russian attack subs or in their harbours sitting ducks to Russia hypersonics.
A momentous decapitation strike would let NATO naked deprived of their main retaliation tool, without the need for an attack on civilian assets – except maybe nuclear tsunamis by Poseidons underwater nuclear torpedoes at the openings of Cheasapeake Bay, the Clyde and the Baie de Brest.
Immediate capitulation would ensue.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 27 2024 11:37 utc | 238

The former Pacific Fleet commander, Admiral Sergei Avakyants quoted by J. Helmer (for the context read the whole article https://johnhelmer.net/sending-a-boy-to-do-a-mans-job-vladimir-medinsky-to-negotiate-istanbul-ii/#more-90348):
<< In Russia, it is dangerous for the current government to lose wars, especially when for a long time this government held parades and convinced the people of the invincibility of their native army. Defeat will cause disappointment and loss of faith, but not in the army, rather in the political leadership. … the pressure on Russia from its historical opponents will only increase, and the escalation process will enter an irreversible phase. The enormous resources currently invested in the indirect hot war of the collective West against our country will be redirected to finance all destructive and anti-state forces (regional separatism, ‘the fight against the rotten corrupt regime’, ‘the promotion of universal freedoms and values’, etc.). Various states ‘historically offended’ by our country will begin to make territorial claims against Russia from all sides. The sanctions will not be lifted, but they may take even harsher and more painful forms for our economy. Part of the elite — weakened but still strong compradors, the remaining part of the ‘fifth column’ in the country – will painlessly adapt to the conditions of the collapse of the state. The country’s leadership, elite groups directly integrated into state structures, will be destroyed (politically, economically, and some even physically). No one will be forgiven, and no one will be forgotten. It is very important for the West to once again demonstrate to the entire world what awaits the ‘rebels’ who have encroached on its model of world order. There is no hope for support from allies due to the absence of any (except Belarus). It will be necessary to answer a very difficult question that is already forming in the public consciousness: ‘For what were so many sacrifices made if the goals of the SVO were not achieved, and is not peace concluded at the expense of fundamental concessions to enemies a defeat for Russia?’ The people, having once again lost their ‘Faith’ and ‘Tsar’, will remain silent, watching the collapse of their ‘Fatherland’. All this will not happen overnight, but by historical standards very quickly – in five to seven years. To avoid all this, Russia must choose the second option. It can be briefly described in two words – ‘Fight and Victory’. This option is unattractive and uncomfortable. It requires the leadership to assume the heaviest burden of responsibility, implement unpopular decisions, change the usual, established way of life for millions of people, introduce a different system of values and life priorities for the ruling elite. ‘Option No. 2’will require (for some time) exerting all efforts, attracting new personnel selected on the basis of professionalism, patriotism and the prevalence of the interests of society and the state over personal ones. It will be necessary to carry out a significant reorganization and restructuring of various government structures and a significant part of the entire state mechanism. The victory must be unconditional – neither enemies, nor partners, nor our own people should have even the slightest doubt that this is Russia’s Victory. The goals declared by the President must be achieved without fail: access to the 2014 administrative borders of the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions; denazification – a change of the ruling regime in Ukraine, a change in the Constitution of Ukraine and current legislation (permission for the UOC [Ukrainian Orthodox Church], official bilingualism, a ban on Nazi-Bandera ideology, etc.); demilitarization – constitutionally activated neutral status of Ukraine, prohibition of deployment on its territory of foreign military bases and military contingents (including advisers and instructors), heavy weapons, types of weapons capable of threatening the territory of Russia; after the invasion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces into the Kursk region, Ukrainian statehood in its current form should not exist or, in extreme cases, can be preserved, but weakened as much as possible. >>
Helmer concludes:
<< For the time being, no Russian mainstream media nor alternative press has reported Medinsky’s reemergence as Putin’s personal negotiator of end-of-war terms. The military bloggers Boris Rozhin (Colonal Cassad) and Mikhail Zvinchuk (Rybar) refused to respond to questions about Medinsky’s role. Dmitry Rogozin, currently the senator representing Zaporozhye and a future presidential succession candidate, has not commented publicly on Medinsky as Putin’s spokesman for negotiations. The Communist Party, which fiercely attacked Medinsky’s performance in Istanbul-I, has warned against the prospects for Istanbul-II but party leaders and the party spokesman refuse to answer questions on Medinsky’s current role. >>

Posted by: burak | Sep 27 2024 11:43 utc | 239

There’s a fact, the fucking reality: Ucrania has lost 1,000,000 humans in the military conflict. Kia or Mia, there are not many much people to waste in a lost conflict.
And. What will happen when the 6,000, 000 Ucranian refugees (joke), return to their neighbors?
Trump is an idiot, but he does not loose his mind when he is telling the Americans that the Ucranian war is a mess without future.
Posted by: Joel | Sep 26 2024 21:16 utc | 144
The observed effect: UKRAINIAN GENOCIDE and DEPOPULATION is of course the intended effect.
There are not TWO SIDES (US NATO against Putin’s RUSSIA) but
TWO OLIGARCHY PINCERS with their SEEMINGLY feuding fat puppets.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 27 2024 11:55 utc | 240

burak @ 240

Medinsky

Thanks for this, I have wondered what ever became of Medinsky, if maybe the failure at Istanbul was his fault, from the peanut gallery that’s what I figured, he read the what in poker are called “tells” wrong and reported back incorrectly? All very interesting for a complete amateur Kremlinologist.
The hard core exponents in Russia are correct but politics isn’t about correct, even in the face of abject perfidy absolutes are for amateurs, that’s why ClownWorld espouses endless absolutes. Question is how tired is Russia, how does the MoD asses its capabilities after three ugly WWI style years? What can Russia achieve practically? It has balanced the war and domestic economy commendably, the Donbas looks like the surface of the moon, there’s a post WW2 level of investment and rebuilding needed, that’s also a part of the west’s scorched earth to tie up and set Russia back 20ys. Russia has assumed big financial obligations to the BRICS+.
Lastly, what are China’s plans and commitments in the strategic partnership, are they reevaluating given Russia success? Seeing the west’s fail in 404 is the USA now solely ramping up sanctions and military pressure against China, to then turn around and offer to pullback in exchange for Chinese distancing from Russia? USA retrenching on the Pivot to Asia for a decade? Would China allow the USA to buy time so it can buy time?

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 12:51 utc | 241

https://t.me/infomil_live/10492

Destruction of a hangar with a Czech MLRS “Vampire” of the Ukrainian Armed Forces hidden in it in the Kharkiv region.

https://t.me/milinfolive/131448

Footage of our troops using FPV drones with incendiary mixtures on various fronts is increasingly appearing online.
For example, the channel “Pomogaem Nashikh” published footage (videos #1-3) of objective control from one of the sections of the SVO, where our troops used “Termit” in enemy forest plantations for the first time. According to the authors, this means was previously used in this section only by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The servicemen successfully destroyed six square meters of the enemy zone.
The channel “Krylatye” presented the results of using an FPV drone with a thermite mixture in the Kursk region (video #4). In this case, our troops destroyed a forest plantation where the enemy had organized a stronghold. The results of the work can be seen in photos #5, 6 and 7.
The channel “Operation Z: Voenokry of the Russian Spring” also shared footage (videos #8-9) of the use of FPV drones with an incendiary mixture.
The latest video (No. 10) from the Ukr_G_M channel shows the result of the enemy trenches being hit by such a mixture. True, in this case they were hit by incendiary shells of rocket artillery, but this changes the essence.
Earlier, we reported that the use of thermite drones by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to burn out plantings has become widespread and serial. However, as you can see, the situation is changing rapidly, and our forces are actively catching up.
FPV drones with an incendiary mixture are especially dangerous, as they are capable of quickly destroying vegetation (grass, bushes, trees with foliage). This opens up a view for the enemy to camouflaged positions, which can deprive the defending units of property and ammunition, as well as reduce the surprise effect for assault groups.

https://t.me/milinfolive/131441

The enemy has published a video of testing the FPV drone auto-capture system, created for autonomous attacks on fast-moving and actively maneuvering targets.
According to him, we are not talking about 100% hits in such difficult conditions, but the percentage of successful attacks is quite high. Static targets have practically no chance.
These systems are especially useful in the last stages of the flight to the target, when the operator can lose control due to the impact of electronic warfare.
Let us recall that the enemy has previously announced the appearance on the front line of Russian FPV drones with auto-capture of the target and machine vision, undergoing tests.

https://t.me/milinfolive/131431

The enemy has captured the remains of a new Russian fiber-optic FPV drone, the Vandal (Prince Vandal Novgorodsky), which, judging by the photo, is our original development.
FPV drones “Vandal” are distinguished by excellent image quality, signal stability and its preservation until the last second. At the same time, they demonstrate a decent flight range, although, of course, they are limited by the length of the fiber in the reel and have certain limitations in maneuverability and routes. However, their main advantage is that they are not susceptible to electronic warfare .
The drone debuted during the battles in the Kursk region, when the advancing enemy equipped almost all of its equipment with electronic warfare against FPV. Footage of its use can be seen (here) , (here) and (here) .

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 27 2024 14:06 utc | 242

Someone needs to write a program for the comment sections at the MOA bar.
Posted by: snake | Sep 27 2024 8:34 utc | 217
The way things are going, Ukraine will fall before the program has been written.
My suggestion: take an existing spam program for email.
Feed the program all MoA’s posts, marked as “not spam”.
Feed the program all MoA’s deleted posts, marked as “spam”.
This way the program learns b.’s preferences.
Then apply the spam program to new posts.
Don’t delete posts if the program thinks they are spam.
Just use a different background color to inform readers that, probably, the post is not worth reading, much less answering.
Also makes it easier for b. to see which posts to look at in case a post needs deleting.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 27 2024 16:50 utc | 243

The Biden admin failed to define a path to victory, enabling his opponent. Far from saving liberal democracy, the war accelerated its decline. No surprise if you know the real reason it’s dying.
For Trump’s part, in 2016 he was under pressure by Kissinger to divide Russia and China, but it’s far too late for this and Trump now wants to go after all Russian allies. Per Sikorski, his peace plan entails threatening Russia into basically freezing the conflict again. The ship for that sailed in 2022.
As is typical for US politics, the Democrats represent an utterly bankrupt neoliberal, pro-war establishment while Trump raises some right criticisms about it then offers solutions that do nothing or worse. This then fuels the former in a mutual feedback loop. The former wants to go back to the 90s and the latter to the 80s, both of which are impossible.
US enemies will continue to converge while the US fights itself, its factions ironically accusing the other of serving one of these enemies. The factions and US rivals all benefit from this web of antagonisms, but the US as a whole does not and the web represents its global system tearing itself apart. The UN’s Guterres recently stated we are entering a purgatory between unipolarity and multipolarity, a dangerous power vacuum.
The Zelensky visit has gone underreported for ominous reasons.

Posted by: No Motor | Sep 27 2024 16:52 utc | 244

Posted by: James M. | Sep 27 2024 8:13 utc | 216
Strange, I’ve been reliably informed that a certain Western administration are ‘shitting themselves’’ at the increasingly likely return of Trump, whilst privately raging at the incompetent performance of the coup plotters anointed pinch hitter, Harris.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 27 2024 17:07 utc | 245

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 27 2024 14:06 utc | 243
‘The drone debuted during the battles in the Kursk region, when the advancing enemy equipped almost all of its equipment with electronic warfare against FPV. Footage of its use can be seen (here) , (here) and (here) .’
How fortuitous, the Russians just happened to have ECM resistant drones just when and where they needed them.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 27 2024 17:16 utc | 246

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 27 2024 11:26 utc | 235
Casualties are partly a result of operational tempo, which is now far higher than in previous years, it could be portrayed as a race between casualties causing the collapse or losing key terrain; however, history suggests the former will inform the latter, which will be the key determinant. Once the bastions have fallen then so has the Donbas and a major justification for the war, all timed to fit in with a likely change of the occupant in the WH and a possible last charge of the neo-cons.
Whatever the outcome, it’s end-game now and all the interested parties are moving quickly to consolidate, protect or just simply survive.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 27 2024 17:26 utc | 247

Pray for Andrei (The Saker) and his family. They have lost everything in the hurricane and are currently in shelter. Just thought I would let everyone know.

Posted by: James | Sep 27 2024 22:59 utc | 248

James | Sep 27 2024 22:59 utc | 249
Same happened a few years back. The blokes a fool.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 5:06 utc | 249

@204 “Canada is a major gold producer ..” – really? What numbers related to the Ukranian reserves?”
Really? compares gold production to gold reserves, then admonishing other to stay on topic playing self annointed mod. Facepalm.

Posted by: Yarpos | Sep 28 2024 7:07 utc | 250

“Something like this may discourage off topic comments from taking over the thread. How difficult would it be to write such a program. and to get it into B’s software platform?”
Posted by: snake | Sep 27 2024 8:34 utc | 217
The irony being your post here is off topic.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 28 2024 7:40 utc | 251

SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
@simpatico771
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦The Ukrainian Armed Forces’ resources report that September was the most massive month of application of our BSVN “Geranium”.
The message also states that our new “Gerberas” were equated to “Geraniums” in these statistics.
In addition, the enemy notes that they have increased production of electronic warfare equipment that is designed to “jam” Geraniums.
If from July 24 to August 24 only 32 drones were shot down by electronic warfare systems, then from August 24 to September 24 – allegedly 154.

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1839966187272237528

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 9:59 utc | 252

SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
@simpatico771
⚡️🇺🇦The AFU has published a video of testing an FPV drone auto-capture system, which is being created for autonomous attacks on fast-moving and actively maneuvering targets.
According to him, we are not talking about 100% hits in such difficult conditions, but the percentage of successful attacks is quite high. Static targets have practically no chance.
These systems are particularly useful in the final stages of flight to the target, when the operator may lose control due to the effects of electronic warfare.
Let us recall that earlier the enemy had already announced the appearance on the front line of Russian FPV drones with automatic target acquisition and machine vision, undergoing testing.

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1839877316249338363

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 10:06 utc | 253

Olga Bazova
@OlgaBazova
Trump has agreed to meet with Zelensky just to humiliate him for being a sniveling goblin:
Trump: “I also have a great relationship with Putin…”
Zelensky: “I hope you have more good relations with us…”
Trump: “Well, you know, it takes two to Tango you know…”

https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1839680169910423994
Trump agreed to the meeting with the comedian beggar. Video at the link where the above is said. I assume at a presser for the meeting.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 10:18 utc | 254

— GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 —
@GeromanAT
“In Starokostiantyniv, in a bunker for storing Storm Shadow and SCULP missiles, 9 NATO Air Force staff officers who had arrived from Rammstein via Chisinau to Ukraine were killed. They were coordinating and guiding, using NATO AWACS aircraft, missile launches from Ukrainian fighters.
Six of the nine were US citizens of Ukrainian descent and three were French.
Polish Air Force planes are evacuating three air ambulances from the border area with Ukraine today. Each plane is designed for five people, including resuscitation equipment and three doctors.
According to preliminary information, 7 British instructors and 6 technical specialists from the Netherlands were seriously injured.
Two Russian hypersonic missiles were missed by Ukrainian air defenses, resulting in the destruction of three fighters: two F-16s and one Su-24, plus at least 15 SS and Sculp missiles.”
WinWin 🇷🇺 TG

https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1839642554003870071
There is now a number of slightly differing accounts on this but whatever the exact facts are, its becoming obvious that Nato was hit hard, in terms of both in planes and personnel.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 10:25 utc | 255

I am not sure what Down South has posted of the Ukraine accounts in the last 24 hrs so will post a few I find of interest. Hopefully it won’t be doubling up.

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the Ukrainian delegation said that Trump refused to support Zelensky’s victory plan, while voicing the idea that Ukraine should make a deal that would be a compromise with Putin. Negotiations with Trump were necessary for the President’s Office to maintain the support of Republicans and restore the failure of our diplomats.
Resident
The destroyed energy infrastructure will cause a heavy winter, and this in turn will be a catalyst for changing the attitude of Ukrainians to the war, writes The Washington Post….
…..A high-ranking Ukrainian official told the newspaper the same thing.
“We may get into deep, deep trouble this winter,” the official said.
In his opinion, this winter people can become ” exhausted, depressed and angry.” Ultimately, this can affect the morale of the community.
“My biggest fear is that when people go through a winter like this, there will be no way to find a consensus among the population,” he said……
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that Syrsky never gave the order to withdraw troops from Ugledar, leaving the 72nd brigade to simply die under the fire of the Russian army in an operational environment. Some units began to retreat from their positions without permission, which led to the loss of control over half of the city and the encirclement of the AFU special forces in Ugledar. During the night, we tried to withdraw part of the brigade, but came under heavy Russian artillery fire, suffering heavy losses during the retreat.
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the Ukrainian delegation said that Biden refused to even discuss Zelensky’s victory plan. The United States considers it not relevant, and the set of drafts/wishes of the President’s Office is not realistic, we were recommended to publicly announce the goals of further war that will suit the West.

https://t.me/s/rezident_ua
That last telegram post – “we were recommended to publicly announce the goals of further war that will suit the West.”
Continuance of war I assume will be in the way of low cost terrorist cells and insurgency groups after the main army has collapsed. I think it can be taken for granted the Russians would have factored this into the planning.
Insurgencies and terrorist cells require backing of the people, especially so insurgency groups. A hard dark cold winter will I think cure many of this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 11:08 utc | 256

how lovely. It is becoming clear that Ukraine is losing, even to the slowest,
Now it is a matter of finding some sort of explanation that does not make the politicians look like the complete idiots they are.
Popcorn time.

Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 28 2024 11:17 utc | 257

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to leave Rondar at night and withdraw to the rear without orders to retreat. Syrsky tried to stop the withdrawal of units and even transferred special forces to the city in order to stop the surrender of the city while Zelensky was in the United States, but this did not solve the situation, but only delayed the process and now it is the special forces that can get into the encirclement.

Withdrawing without orders and against orders is becoming more and more prevalent down the length of the eastern frontline. The beginnings of a route.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 11:34 utc | 258

Legitimate
#rumors
Our source reports that Zelensky is preparing a massive strike on Russia with the help of a kamikaze UAV. He wants to break the record. At the same time, launch more than two hundred kamikaze drones that will fly deep into Russia.
Now office workers are trying to save up money.
The difficulty is that Russians have become more likely to “find out” the storage locations of UAVs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is always disrupting the office plans. The date of the massive attack has already been postponed twice.
Legitimate
#rumors #layout
Our source reports that Western intelligence services informed Zelensky that after changing the nuclear doctrine, Russia could launch a massive strike with TNW (tactical nuclear weapons) on Ukrainian bridges, railway infrastructure, including the Beskydy tunnel, airfields, thermal power plants and electric substations, gas and gas utilities, port infrastructure, and highways.
In the analytical note that was passed to Zelensky, it is indicated that the strike can be either isolated, preventive and indicative, or massive. A massive one will paralyze everything in the country, start chaos up to the storming of shops and border crossings, when people will flee the country en masse.
Hence the question of whether this time he will take the Kremlin on weakly, as it was in January-February 2022. And will he warn the Ukrainian people this time about the consequences of their decisions? The last time he used people as a human shield, this time he wants to repeat the feint?

Perhaps this is a better indication of how the Brits and the now minority faction behind Biden facade want to precede. The continence but on steroids of the attempts to make Russia respond in a kneejerk way that will pull US and nato into direct war with Russia. I guess these Wiley E Coyote plans will continue until Trumps inauguration in January.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 11:50 utc | 259

No drone coverage so strikes must be based on other sources.
https://t.me/fighter_bomber/18217

I have no information about the killed F16.
They are hitting Starcon (ed: Starokostiantyniv), that’s true. They have been hitting for 3 years now, regularly. But since, as in the case of Poltava, there are no drones for additional reconnaissance, then OK can only appear from the Ukrainians.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 28 2024 14:26 utc | 260

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 11:50 utc | 260
Given Russia could achieve this target list with conventional munitions it seems to me that the US, by raising the spectre of a nuclear strike, are emphasising to Ukraine, don’t you dare do anything foolish, whilst also offering a pretext for their lack of support for such a strategy.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 28 2024 19:38 utc | 261

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 11:08 utc | 257
I’ve been reliably informed that encirclements are not significant developments because the amount of terrain captured is minimal, only 0.001% off the daily increase in the running average of the monthly total. The fact that an elite mech brigade has been largely destroyed, along with the stiffening SF units, or that their dire predicament was caused by unauthorised retreats by flanking units is largely irrelevant, compared to the metrics of captured ground.
Wonder how many sq km’s Russia will gain, now that a bastion city like Ugledar has fallen and there’s little behind it, bar forest lines and scattered strong (in name only) points?

Posted by: Milites | Sep 28 2024 19:56 utc | 262

I understand how a kinetic warhead works, a baseball hitting a target at close to the speed of light will exploded like an atom bomb, it’s how meteorites work, but how do you combine both a passive kinetic warhead traveling at say mach 20 and 1500kg of high explosive? Won’t the kinetic impact obliterate the chemical explosive, or visa versa if the chemical explosion is somehow timed won’t it destroy the kinetic warhead?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 27 2024 8:53 utc | 220
The way artillery shells dig a hole in the ground, I suppose they just go off when they hit. Missiles fired at hard targets like tanks very commonly have a shaped charge that may go off well in advance of impact. The hot plasma gas jet does the job.
Given that energy is the square of velocity, I suppose with any high speed missile the desire would be to have it go off before the warhead slowed down. They do have warheads that can penetrate ground with some success. If the desire were for penetration, I suppose it would be something like that, or a shaped charge.

Posted by: Jmaas | Sep 28 2024 20:45 utc | 263

Milites | Sep 28 2024 19:56 utc | 263
Ah yes. The anony mouse with the lines on map fetish.
The is a list floating around on social media of the strategically important towns that had to be held at all costs suddenly becoming unimportant an no great loss once the Russians were nearing control of them.
Your 262. For a long time I have felt this period between the US backing out of the war and Russia is exceptionally dangerous. It actually began after the destruction of the vaunted and great southern offensive, though with the extra sixty billion going through attached to Israeli funding, the was a bit of a resurgence and the risk lowered. Now that it is obvious Kursk is a kill zone, that danger from the Brit elite working with the globalist faction in the US has reappeared

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 22:08 utc | 264

LightYearsFromHome
Jmaas | Sep 28 2024 20:45 utc | 264
I suspect the hypersonic warheads are either kinetic or nuclear.
Iskander is a little slower but right on the the hypersonic mark. Mach five being the starting point of hypersonic. From what I read, max velocity is Mach seven but I suspect around the Mach five or a bit under when it strikes. It has a number of different warheads but the high explosive one that I have seen detonates at a good height but has the appearance of a shaped charge with a jet of flame firing downwards from the initial burst.
There was something about this in a previous thread and somebody put in a very good suggestion of what could be occurring but I forget what it was now.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 22:20 utc | 265

Just remembered something on the Kinzhals that make me rethink the likes of their warheads. Sometime back, Kinzhal hit very deep Soviet era bunkers. One I believe was a Tochka-U storage the other a likely Nato headquarters.
Martyanov commented on these strikes and I would assume being a soviet naval offer would have at least some knowledge of them. Deeply buried and built to withstand nuclear strikes and impenetrable to weapons of the cold war era. I think those type bunkers were between 60 and 90 meters underground.
Somebody posted a quote here recently that include the Kinzhal I think being able to penetrate the ground to a depth of 100 meters. How much is in that I don’t know but the can certainly hit and destroy those cold war era bunkers.
In striking to such a depth, the warhead would lose a great deal of it kinetic energy so these may well have a small charge fused top detonate when the warhead breaks through into a cavity.
In an enclosed space, I assume a much smaller charge would give a similar effect to a much larger charge detonating on or just above the surface.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 22:36 utc | 266

Somebody posted a quote here recently that include the Kinzhal I think being able to penetrate the ground to a depth of 100 meters. How much is in that I don’t know but the can certainly hit and destroy those cold war era bunkers.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 28 2024 22:36 utc | 267
That is such an extreme depth I wonder if maybe it isn’t a shock wave that damages the bunker rather than actual penetration.

Posted by: Jmaas | Sep 28 2024 23:10 utc | 267