Ukraine Open Thread 2024-229

September 26, 2024

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

According to the Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (14 September – 20 September 2024) the Ukrainian military lost a total of 24 tanks and 125 other Armored Fighting Vehicles during that week.

Of these only 6 tanks and 18 AFV were lost along the 1,000+ kilometer frontline within Ukraine. A total of 18 tanks and 117 AFV were lost due to the Ukrainian incursion of the Russian Kursk oblast.

This emphasizes the fact that the Ukrainian forces has used most of its material resources into the morale lifting public-relation campaign in Kursk without achieving much else, if anything, of value. There is little chance that any of the losses incurred during that short campaign will ever get a replacement.

The incursion will thus become a historic lecture of how not to employ ones scarce resources for short term political reasons.

Posted by b on September 26, 2024 at 10:45 UTC | Permalink

Comments

“Just because something is stupid… doesn’t mean they won’t do it.” -Old corporate management saying.

Posted by: MaryPeck | Sep 26 2024 10:56 utc | 1

It feels like we are at the beginning of the end to something in Ukraine.

Posted by: Packard | Sep 26 2024 10:56 utc | 2

The 53rd resident of Svalyava, Zakarpattia Oblast, died after being in the TCC.
This was reported by the wife of the deceased Sergey Kanalosh, Olga, to Suspilnoye. Uzhgorod.
She said that her husband went to the military registration and enlistment office completely healthy, but three days later she saw him in the TCC all bruised. A day later, Olga was informed that Sergey was in the hospital in serious condition.
Doctors told the TV channel that Kanalosh was delivered in a coma. He was diagnosed with intracranial hemorrhage. The man died soon after.
The TCC reported in its commentary that the mobilized man became ill during transportation to the training center. According to this report, the examination established that the death was not related to any injuries.

https://t.me/XU_kraine/64086

Another case of murder of a Ukrainian in the TCC building.
Not a single policeman was jailed, there are no criminal cases, nothing. The authorities gave TCC full rights to do whatever they want, the main thing is to catch more serfs for the war.
We will say one thing. Not all TCC workers will have time to escape from the country. It is unlikely that the system will protect them in the future, when the house of cards of Zelenskyy’s government collapses. That is why these jackals are afraid for their future, but at the same time continue to catch and fleece people.
In the future, a lynching of TCC workers in Ukraine is possible. If we were current TCC workers, we would quit and record a public criticism of the system and the authorities – this will save them in the future.
There is still time to come to our senses, but it is coming to an end…
Think!

https://t.me/legitimniy/18764

More than a hundred Ukrainians died in the TCC, while the government is slowing down the investigation of the murders, and the military commissars-police feel their impunity.
All this was the result of the Zemobilization, which engulfed the entire country, and the methods of its implementation have nothing to do with the law, while the deputies ignore all the circumstances and turn a blind eye to the lawlessness of the TCC.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24442

Posted by: Down South | Sep 26 2024 10:58 utc | 3

The Russians left Vovchansk aggregate plant to the Ukrainians, after AFU sent special forces to capture it. Then Russians glassed the area and the AFU special forces with thermobaric bombs.
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1839046689207820446

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 11:04 utc | 4

Forwarded from DD Geopolitics
Ukrainian journalist Anatoly Shariy reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine possibly lost four F-16s due to an unexpected strike.
However, this information has not been confirmed by other sources.
@DDGeopolitics

Posted by: guest | Sep 26 2024 11:10 utc | 5

unimperator | Sep 26 2024 11:04 utc | 4
Russian firepower is really coming into its own now. Sort of thing we didn’t see much of if at all earlier. I guess it took a bit to get back up to speed. That town in the southeast, I keep forgetting its name – that sort of thing that hasn’t really been seen since WWII.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 11:15 utc | 6

From Down South’s quote “The 53rd resident of Svalyava, Zakarpattia Oblast, died after being in the TCC.”
Looks like its not much fun getting caught by the pressgangs. They must get paid by pairs of ears rather than live cannon fodder.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 11:18 utc | 7

Kursk:
AFU Swedish CV-90 APC hangs out white flag trying to surrender and drive to the line. After it gets blown up by AFU blocking detachment from behind by ATGM.
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1839175515543875783

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 11:24 utc | 8

So the MI6 plan for a gadarene light-brigade rush to take over the KNPP [and a PR mega-victory] got stuck half-way and their sh1t then hit the fan …. shambles.
NATO has failed.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2024 12:03 utc | 9

D. Rogozin comments on the new nuclear doctrine:

Yesterday, already at night, several colleagues who worked with me in Brussels reported, conveying without unnecessary details, that now the most important question that NATO is discussing is: how many days after the appearance of NATO troops in Ukraine will Russia use nuclear weapons against them. That is, it suddenly dawned on everyone that it will be used, the only question is exactly how many days will remain until the Apocalypse.
They argue. Some say in two weeks. Others say it will take no more than 10 days.
This time, the reports on the results of our Security Council yesterday were perceived in Brussels not as a bluff and empty threats, but more than seriously. In the corridors of the Brussels headquarters of the North Atlantic Alliance, after reading the embassy dispatches from Moscow, the fear of losing everything in an inevitable and rapidly approaching nuclear conflict began to spread with the speed of stench.
Well, yes, it is one thing to poison a Russian bear locked in a cage, and another thing to go into his cage after all this poisoning. You can make good money by pitting Russia against Ukraine, that bastard offspring of Bolshevism. But to die for Ukraine? Of course not.
In the West, no one is ready for this development of this story. And if we really prove, probably not to them, but first of all to ourselves, that we are ready to go to the end, then this is the only way to stop the bloodshed and defeat the collective enemy. If we falter, start to dodge, fawn, then death awaits us.

Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 12:10 utc | 10

This is the worst kind of pressganging, when no one supports the war or its devious goals except for far-off Amerikan planners way over the western curvature huddled in their parochial bubble and small bands of Amerikan-nurtured staybehinders planted across the world. On par with the boys pressed into service on the old man-o’wars.
In stupid but inevitable grand war (FWW), men may grumble at mobilisation and curse their luck but shrug at history-to-come as they trudge to their fate. In Just War (GPW) they see the purpose and understand the moral imperatives and step boldly, sometimes to fail(36-39), sometimes to succeed (41-45).

Posted by: petra | Sep 26 2024 12:20 utc | 11

Turkish President Erdoǧan interviewed by NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/turkey-erdogan-urkaine-nato-israel-hamas-war-biden-putin-russia-brics-rcna172414
It’s quite a wide-ranging piece, so here is the commentary relevant to Ukraine:

Ukraine’s proposal for NATO membership is not a question “to be rushed,” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told NBC News in an exclusive interview Tuesday, adding that relations between his country and Russia were “expanding.”
Speaking on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, Erdoğan said that the U.S. and other members of the Western alliance “don’t want Ukraine to be a member state.”
“These are not questions to be rushed,” he said. “And when making our minds, when we are taking our decisions, we always take into consideration the stance of other NATO member states, we discuss those possible questions around the table and make the final decision accordingly.”
His comments will likely prove disappointing for his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is set to present his victory plan to the White House this week.
While the specifics of Zelenskyy’s proposal have been closely guarded until it can be presented to President Joe Biden, some of the basic details have emerged including the need for fast action and, crucially, a security guarantee of NATO membership, according to Zelenskyy’s chief of staff, Andrii Yermak.
In a Telegram post late Tuesday, Zelenskyy said he had “discussed the implementation of the peace formula” with Erdoğan.
But the Turkish leader appeared to dash any hopes of a fast-track to NATO membership in his interview with NBC News.
He said he would consider the position of other members of the alliance. “We are going to follow the developments, the deliberations, and reach a final decision accordingly. These are not decisions to be rushed in an excited way,” he said.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 26 2024 12:21 utc | 12

Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 12:10 utc | 10
Excellent post-thank you

Posted by: canuck | Sep 26 2024 12:31 utc | 13

@7 how do you think they get them to fight? They beat them to an inch of their lives… then “save them” by taking care of them once they start doing exactly what they are told. Sometimes they go too far at step one.

Posted by: Goldhoarder | Sep 26 2024 12:37 utc | 14

Come on b, don’t you see that at 10.000 Kia per month and the remainder of tanks and other critically low equipment, Kursk was a steal!
Now seriously, a couple of threads ago I mentioned that adding Kursk was enough to make a difference between AFU collapse before or after us elections.
Maybe, just maybe, that is the play, either us gets nato boots on the ground or takes a defeat before the elections.
As Z has the agency of a lobotomized lobster, I’ll say it’s the British wagging the dog…

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 12:55 utc | 15

[M]orale lifting public-relation campaign in Kursk

Lots and lots of resources, determination and real ingenuity were put into organising Maidan.
Whole generation of Western politicians – and the EU system – gambled their last credibility and renommée deceiving Russians by promising to save Yanukovich, democracy and human rights in Ukraine.
So on and so forth, for so many years.
So who is there left, then, to whom this PR campaign could be directed at, given the Ukrainian government itself a creature of coordinated international effort? Who’s not yet involved to the neck and in command of resources and free to act with deliberation?
I cannot see anyone, really, sorry.

Posted by: js | Sep 26 2024 12:55 utc | 16

Churchill: Beyond Hero or Villain
WW2 concepts such as (reverse) Lebensraum, stab-in-the-back legends and uniting enemies are still relevant today, while the mythology of appeasement narratives must be challenged.
https://www.beyondwasteland.net/p/churchill-beyond-hero-or-villain

Posted by: KevinB | Sep 26 2024 13:02 utc | 17

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:03 utc | 18

@7 how do you think they get them to fight?
Posted by: Goldhoarder | Sep 26 2024 12:37 utc | 14
How it seems to work is that the ones that survive the ‘discipline’ get shoved on a bus. Near the front line I assume the blocking detachment ensures they go to a trench or firing position and stay there. It seems their job is then to deplete Russian artillery stocks and flying fabs….
Many of the blocking detachments must now be Kursk fertilizer as some of the ‘mobilized’ seem to feel workplace health and safety is not up to scratch and are leaving again.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 13:08 utc | 19

This post implies that Russia has killed US pilots and instructors and potentially destroyed more than one F-16 on the ground, perhaps in the Starokonstantinov air base.
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1839288251062038893

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:13 utc | 20

This post implies that Russia has killed US pilots and instructors and potentially destroyed more than one F-16 on the ground, perhaps in the Starokonstantinov air base.
“>https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1839288251062038893

No link to the original facebook post, username doesn’t exist on fb, I call bravo sierra.

Posted by: 2TonCat | Sep 26 2024 13:17 utc | 21

Does anyone have links to real Russian aircraft losses in the SMO? I had a look in Wiki but it’s so bent I wouldn’t sit it on a toilet the right way round. Thanks.

Posted by: Squeeth | Sep 26 2024 13:22 utc | 22

Boo@10….so the Russians have finally decided to take the SMO and the threats from FUKUS seriously. If all it took to stop NATO was to change the Russian nuclear doctrine…..at this stage, bit late for all the dead, but better than nothing. An entire country razed, along with its future and a wee bit of paper and some ink may have brought the entire SMO to conclusion much sooner. Sad.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 26 2024 13:23 utc | 23

Forwarded from
Герань Цветущая
Кстати по F-16. «Кинжалы» пробили бетонные укрытия этих самолетов на аэродроме «Староконстантинов».
Сейчас работают разведчики и спутники. Ждем объективный контроль. Сразу сообщим.
By the way, about the F-16. “Daggers” broke through the concrete shelters of these aircraft at the Starokonstantinov airfield.
Now scouts and satellites are working. We are waiting for objective control. We will inform you right away.

Posted by: guest | Sep 26 2024 13:28 utc | 24

Telegram channel Win-Win: “At the Starokonstantinov airfield, two F-16 fighters transferred by the Netherlands were hit while attempting to take off late. At the airfield itself, an SU-24, modernized for launching Storm Shadow missiles, was also destroyed. An open storage warehouse with 12 Storm Shadow missiles could also have been destroyed.
The extent of the F16 damage has not yet been determined, but the hull and fuselage were damaged during the launch attempt. The SU-24 burned out.”
Telegram channel Anatoly Shariy: “They report that as a result of the unexpected strike, minus four F16s”
We are checking

https://x.com/vicktop55/status/1839222578784731198

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:33 utc | 25

Interesting analysis to argue that Ukraine has crossed into Russia near Tetkino. They have been threatening, trying for several days. But now the satellite fire images (artillery landing) supports the view that they are in the country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j2Dl1Ytoc0
[Note the source is pro-UKR, so if you are one of those who can’t stand to look at info from both sides, just ignore…don’t disrupt your bubble.]

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 26 2024 13:34 utc | 26

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 26 2024 13:23 utc | 23
Changing in the nuclear doctrine has nothing to do with the recent developments on the battlefield.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 26 2024 13:37 utc | 27

unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:13 utc | 20
Those planes would require western ground crew as well. Don’t know if there is anything in it or not, but there seems to be a fair number dead, and she says “Someones upset up those five fucking F16’s. You’re fucking idiots.”
I did try a google search of the name and not a single result…..

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 13:41 utc | 28

unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:33 utc | 25
Four F16’s plus an SU. That makes five planes same as the other account. Taking off/in or near the shelter – plenty of ground crew around I guess.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 13:46 utc | 29

Strike by MiG-31K on Starokonstantinov Airfield: Significance and Consequences
Today, September 26, 2024, long-range MiG-31K interceptors from the Russian Aerospace Forces launched strikes on the military airfield of the 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade of the Kiev Junta forces (KJF) located in the Khmelnytskyi region. Three “Kinzhal” hypersonic missiles were fired. This airfield became a key target in the current operational-combat situation, and Starokonstantinov was chosen for the deployment of American F-16 fighters due to several factors, the most important being the unique reinforced concrete shelters that can protect equipment from airstrikes.
🔻 Strategic Importance of the Airfield
Starokonstantinov has long been used as a major hub for housing foreign aircraft, such as the F-16s supplied by the West. The presence of reliable shelters providing protection from potential attacks was a decisive factor in selecting this airfield. These shelters, built during the Soviet era, provide a significant advantage in terms of concealment and security, making them a priority target for Russian forces.
🔻 Operation Details and Results
Three missile strikes were recorded, causing powerful explosions and fires at the site. While the destruction of F-16s or specific damage to the flight infrastructure has not been confirmed, given the airfield’s importance, there may be potential losses. The sounds of explosions and subsequent fires suggest significant destruction.
📌 The final assessment of the strike’s effectiveness will depend on the release of satellite images and other evidence. It’s important to note that the loss of modern fighters will not go unnoticed, at least in the international media space.
🔻 Mysterious Cargo Plane Landing
It should also be noted that before the strike, reports surfaced of a military transport plane landing at the airfield without any identifying markings. This could indicate the delivery of military equipment or weapons by Western partners, which could explain today’s massive strike, as it was unusual for typical Russian tactics.
🔻 Conclusion
The strike on Starokonstantinov airfield is another step in the ongoing operation to destroy the KJF’s aviation infrastructure, supported by the West. Given the limited number of Soviet-era reinforced concrete shelters on Ukrainian airfields, their destruction could significantly hinder the future basing of F-16 fighters.

https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1839273351711166645

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:48 utc | 30

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 26 2024 13:34 utc | 26
In the light of the Kursk escapade and in the interests of viewing things from both sides, what is your view on the long-term operational and strategic outcomes the Ukrainians are planning with such a move?
Will it help to slow down Russian advances along the Donbass front? Will it deter Russia from continuing to make long-range missile strikes on any part of Ukraine they choose?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 26 2024 13:50 utc | 31

Dead US pilot or instructor has been revealed during a strike on Starokonstantinov airbase. Additional info from this post indicate that Russia has destroyed more than one F-16, either on the ground or in the air.
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1839288251062038893
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:03 utc | 18
Forwarded from
Герань Цветущая
Кстати по F-16. «Кинжалы» пробили бетонные укрытия этих самолетов на аэродроме «Староконстантинов».
Сейчас работают разведчики и спутники. Ждем объективный контроль. Сразу сообщим.
By the way, about the F-16. “Daggers” broke through the concrete shelters of these aircraft at the Starokonstantinov airfield.
Now scouts and satellites are working. We are waiting for objective control. We will inform you right away.
Posted by: guest | Sep 26 2024 13:28 utc | 24
Would be nice to have confirmation (4 daggers is a bit expensive so I would expect high value HUMINT confirmed targets)
On the pilot angle I find it bizarre that no information sanitary measures would be taken before informing family… and why the cyrilic on the post?

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 13:51 utc | 32

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 26 2024 13:34 utc | 26
How is Ugledar looking to you, nonce? No territory gained, dumbshit?

Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 13:53 utc | 33

Sending Americans, Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, German etc etc home in body bags cannot be hidden forever, if ongoing and substantial. Time will tell.

Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 26 2024 13:54 utc | 34

Newbie | Sep 26 2024 13:51 utc | 32
I noticed the cyrilic too. VK rather than facebook?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 13:56 utc | 35

In America’s Final War, Andrei Martyanov gives an insightful explanation of U.S. defeat. What the U.S. military lacks now is a reverse gear. Our diplomatic corps, habituated to bullying the world, also lacks the ability to wind things down to a level of stability that would have to be similar to the concept of “peaceful coexistence” that made a brief appearance in the 1960s.
Otherwise, the U.S. will doubtless be left to the false strategy of incrementally escalating the conflicts in Ukraine and elsewhere until we are decisively slapped down. This may happen soon, as Zelensky’s ground forces are being crushed, which is why he is screaming for U.S. long-range missiles to attack the Russian homeland. His biggest cheerleader is Keir Starmer, Britain’s out-of-control prime minister who seems to want to use the crisis in Ukraine to boost his domestic political support the way Margaret Thatcher used the Falklands crisis. (substack)

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 26 2024 13:57 utc | 36

In Kursk alone:
A lot of technology that would require about 6 freight trains of 1000 meters to transport!
Approximate figures:
In total, during the fighting in the direction of Kursk, the enemy lost more than 17,400 military personnel, 140 tanks, 62 infantry fighting vehicles, 95 armored personnel carriers, 824 armored fighting vehicles, 525 cars, 142 artillery pieces and 31 multiple rocket launchers, including eight HIMARS and six MLRS from the USA, eight launchers for anti-aircraft missile systems, five transport loading vehicles, 35 electronic warfare stations, eight counter-battery radars, two air defense radars, 18 technical units and other equipment, including 11 technical clearance vehicles, a missile clearance system -77 and an armored recovery vehicle.

Posted by: ossi | Sep 26 2024 13:58 utc | 37

and why the cyrilic on the post?
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 13:51 utc | 32
The viewer sets the language of the site interface

Posted by: rk | Sep 26 2024 13:58 utc | 38

“How is Ugledar looking to you, nonce? No territory gained, dumbshit?”
What did Putin say? That he would want all of Ukraine? or did he say he would de-nazify and de-militarize Ukraine?
And what is he doing?
I cannot understand people that are totally unable to comprehend what they are being told. It is not as if this is highly complicated!
People should listen carefully, and try and understand. At least try. But you are in good company. Most of the politicians in the West also do not understand, and neither does MSM. It must be something in the food or the water, that cause people to behave like goldfish.

Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 26 2024 14:00 utc | 39

US Congress starts investigation into Zelenskyy’s visit to Pennsylvania
The Committee on Oversight and Accountability of the House of Representatives of the US Congress has launched an investigation into President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s flight to Pennsylvania to visit a munitions factory “at the expense of American taxpayers,” its chairman, James Comer, said.
In particular, the congressman called the trip of the Ukrainian President “an election campaign of Kamala Harris” in a key state for her. He said the committee would request documents from the White House, the Department of Justice and the Pentagon.
The committee must determine “whether the Biden-Harris administration attempted to use a foreign leader to benefit Vice President Harris’ presidential campaign and, if so, this is a clear abuse of power,” chairman Comer wrote.
It will be recalled that sources close to Donald Trump said that he has no plans to meet with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Meanwhile, the Speaker of the US Congress demands the dismissal of Ukrainian Ambassador Markarova and accused her of meddling in the elections.
The Speaker accused Markarova of having organized Zelenskyy’s visit to a factory in Pennsylvania, where weapons for Ukraine are produced. Zelenskyy was accompanied by representatives of the Democratic Party, but no Republicans were invited. Johnson said that Zelenskyy’s visit was “clearly a pre-election campaign and clearly interference in the election.”

https://ukranews.com/en/news/1037004-us-congress-starts-investigation-into-zelenskyy-s-visit-to-pennsylvania
A Marxist plot, of the Groucho, Chico and Harpo variety…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 26 2024 14:01 utc | 40

unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:33 utc | 25
Four F16’s plus an SU. That makes five planes same as the other account. Taking off/in or near the shelter – plenty of ground crew around I guess.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 13:46 utc | 29
Strike by MiG-31K on Starokonstantinov Airfield: Significance and Consequences
Today, September 26, 2024, long-range MiG-31K interceptors from the Russian Aerospace Forces launched strikes on the military airfield of the 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade of the Kiev Junta forces (KJF) located in the Khmelnytskyi region. Three “Kinzhal” hypersonic missiles were fired. This airfield became a key target in the current operational-combat situation, and Starokonstantinov was chosen for the deployment of American F-16 fighters due to several factors, the most important being the unique reinforced concrete shelters that can protect equipment from airstrikes.
🔻 Strategic Importance of the Airfield
Starokonstantinov has long been used as a major hub for housing foreign aircraft, such as the F-16s supplied by the West. The presence of reliable shelters providing protection from potential attacks was a decisive factor in selecting this airfield. These shelters, built during the Soviet era, provide a significant advantage in terms of concealment and security, making them a priority target for Russian forces.
🔻 Operation Details and Results
Three missile strikes were recorded, causing powerful explosions and fires at the site. While the destruction of F-16s or specific damage to the flight infrastructure has not been confirmed, given the airfield’s importance, there may be potential losses. The sounds of explosions and subsequent fires suggest significant destruction.
📌 The final assessment of the strike’s effectiveness will depend on the release of satellite images and other evidence. It’s important to note that the loss of modern fighters will not go unnoticed, at least in the international media space.
🔻 Mysterious Cargo Plane Landing
It should also be noted that before the strike, reports surfaced of a military transport plane landing at the airfield without any identifying markings. This could indicate the delivery of military equipment or weapons by Western partners, which could explain today’s massive strike, as it was unusual for typical Russian tactics.
🔻 Conclusion
The strike on Starokonstantinov airfield is another step in the ongoing operation to destroy the KJF’s aviation infrastructure, supported by the West. Given the limited number of Soviet-era reinforced concrete shelters on Ukrainian airfields, their destruction could significantly hinder the future basing of F-16 fighters.
https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1839273351711166645
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 13:48 utc | 30
Yes, and if taking off then pilots would be in the birds.
As for the strike itself I saw the 5AM news , checked that it was 250 kms WSW of kiev but didn’t report it here as the news were sparse.
https://tass.com/emergencies/1847835
Would be nice if the transport plane had been hit as well, likely full fledged nato bird…
Just 3 daggers? ok, cheaper…

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 14:01 utc | 41

we re unable to grasp which of those two is replaceable or more replaceable than the other.
I mean, if the morale &PR booster sought for in Kursk or the
hundreds of PC vehicles, tanks and artillery and fuel spent in the venture…
Suspect that the morale item is even less recoverable…
What will History say of those Kyev commanders and political bosses ?

Posted by: augusto | Sep 26 2024 14:02 utc | 42

[Note the source is pro-UKR, so if you are one of those who can’t stand to look at info from both sides, just ignore…don’t disrupt your bubble.]
Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 26 2024 13:34 utc | 26

How ironic coming from a partisan ideologue. We’ve all read your endless ‘muh attrition’ cope posts. It’s like you can’t wrap your head around MoA often giving better analysis than all the Western media combined. It’s because MoA as an anonymous collective of drunks aren’t interested in deception. We’re interested in facts.
I used to read Ukrainian sources, until I realized they are engaged in lying at the same industrial scale that Israel is. Boldfaced, outlandish, ridiculous lies. Propaganda for babies. *ahem*
The Russian MoD hasn’t yet claimed that a babushka shot down a drone with a pickle jar, or staged atrocities where they have mass murdered civilians, and generally appear to provide an accurate summation of events, in so far as I am able to confirm.
Garbage in, garbage out, a principle of computing and more specifically of logic. Bad data leads to bad conclusions. Have you considered this could be the root cause of your poor analysis? Just like the entire Western misadventure here fuelled by hubris and cocaine?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 26 2024 14:02 utc | 43

fyi
Putin remarks on the re-draft of Russia’s nuclear deterrence policy
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/75182
h/t Geoffrey Roberts Links

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 44

The primordial interest of the US is to split Russia and Germany, because united they are the only force that could threaten us.
– George Friedman, Stratfor

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/109534
Video of speech in link

Posted by: Down South | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 45

The fear of a Russia/Germany cooperation, I think, is a historical artifact. Today’s Germans are not the Germans from 100 years ago. Decades of Mickey Mouse and Yankee occupation, as in Japan, have changed the people, and not for the better, IMO.
Narratives are the last thing to die in a war.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 26 2024 14:11 utc | 46

Posted by: Down South | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 45
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This is well known by now…at least among realists, politicians deny it to the death…

Posted by: ossi | Sep 26 2024 14:15 utc | 47

@Down South | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 45
Michael Hudson has stated the same for many years now ….
… one of the key reasons for the Ukraine debacle …. and not only Germany, but all of Europe backed up by MSM Russophobia on strong steroids …
Losers are all citizens of Europe – and the sacrificed Ukrainians
Other loser is NATO.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2024 14:16 utc | 48

Rumors in the economy say there is another surge in gold buying.
Big players appear to be buying up tons of gold after the BICs were announced
Gold price hit $2,700 per troy ounce for the first time in history – trading data
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The elites are getting restless it seems…

Posted by: ossi | Sep 26 2024 14:22 utc | 49

and why the cyrilic on the post?
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 13:51 utc | 32
The viewer sets the language of the site interface
Posted by: rk | Sep 26 2024 13:58 utc | 38
Thanks.
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we re unable to grasp which of those two is replaceable or more replaceable than the other.
I mean, if the morale &PR booster sought for in Kursk or the
hundreds of PC vehicles, tanks and artillery and fuel spent in the venture…
Suspect that the morale item is even less recoverable…
What will History say of those Kyev commanders and political bosses ?
Posted by: augusto | Sep 26 2024 14:02 utc | 42
They will not be in history books, just geography ones, for the huge mountains of shit they did…

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 14:26 utc | 50

About the F-16 instructor. If her name is Melanie Malwin=Parker, then her husband is Steven Parker. A quick google search gives this interesting linkedin result.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-parker-91bb449

Posted by: Guest | Sep 26 2024 14:36 utc | 51

Next phase could see desperate Ukraine troops spray barrier troops first before surrender. Intel leaks to Russia could also increase

Posted by: Joe | Sep 26 2024 14:38 utc | 52

Posted by: ossi | Sep 26 2024 14:15 utc | 47
One, and probably a correct way to look at it is that instead of gold and commodities rising, the dollar and euro are falling against gold and commodities.
Instead, the relation between gold and other commodities could be staying more or less stable. So this implies falling fiat currency.
Otherwise, definitely, big things are cooking in the BRICS/financial world… things the western muppets do not like.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 14:38 utc | 53

Invading Russia is easy, getting out alive is the tricky part.

Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 26 2024 14:42 utc | 54

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 14:38 utc | 53
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Thank you
For the explanation, I’m not that well versed in this matter, I’ve always been told.
Watch the price of gold, if it rises too quickly, bad things are to be expected in the economy.
Because elites usually know in advance or believe they know when something is going wrong with their money and there is a risk.
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It doesn’t affect me…in keeping with the motto of my great-grandfather who experienced other inflations…
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING, YOU CAN’T LOSE ANYTHING

Posted by: ossi | Sep 26 2024 14:46 utc | 55

For all the micro(n) virile members vargassing around waiting for the thick Russian dick to rip apart their AIDS ridden assholes, here’s an opinion that will make your rectums wet:

The End of “I’m in the House!” for the US
Even before Karaganov’s interview with Kommersant in September of this year, it was clear that the main problem in American-Russian relations is that the US can, with a completely innocent expression on its face, support any bastard on the outskirts of Russia, causing any damage to Russia itself, but without suffering at all.
This policy was implemented before 22, and before 14, and before 8, and before 7, if special experts want to put the blame for the escalation with the West on Russia and believe that it began with Putin’s Munich speech. And this US policy has never stopped, although in 1991 many not the stupidest people called not to go down the path of confrontation with Russia, but to be friends with it.
The cooperation did not work out. There was more than one approach from our side. Not two . Not three . Not four . Not five . Not six . Not seven . Not eight . Not nine . Well, you get the idea.
With a tenacity worthy of a better cause, the United States mistook softness for weakness. Up to a point, this assessment did not deceive them.
However, this period was short by historical standards. Russia still has its own interests and huge opportunities to defend them. These interests require that no points of tension and potential threats be generated near us.
Just like it was in Turkey in 1962 next to the USSR.
Just like it was in Cuba in 1962 next to the USA.
But, as Karaganov said, some decided that they could formally bounce back using the method: “But it’s not us!”:
As for the statement signed by the leaders of the nuclear “five” … that there can be no winners in a nuclear war and that it should not be unleashed, this, it seems to me, is a fantastic intellectual error.
Because what does this mean? …that we can destroy each other with all the other types of weapons available to us. …now nuclear NATO led by the US is waging a full war against us, using Ukrainian cannon fodder. Soon, if we don’t stop this madness, they will start feeding others too.
The rebound period is over. Nuclear weapons can be used by Russia in a “conventional” war. Karaganov’s rhetoric differs little from the theses of Truman, who bombed Nagasaki and Hiroshima:
I understand that the decision to use nuclear weapons, which will inevitably lead to the deaths of innocent people, is a terrible step. But to have nuclear weapons and not be able to convince your opponent that you are ready to use them is suicide.
(and will lead to more casualties, I might add)
The concept of using military capabilities has prevailed over the concept of limited military conflicts today, September 25, 2024. At a meeting of the Security Council, Vladimir Putin noted about the change in the concept of nuclear deterrence :
In the updated version of the document, aggression against Russia by any non-nuclear state, but with the participation or support of a nuclear state, is proposed to be considered as a joint attack on the Russian Federation.
This actually means two things:
1. Participation in targeting of the armed forces of a NATO country with nuclear weapons together with Ukraine (or even just if we think so) and the use of weapons is recognized as aggression against the Russian Federation. Aggression of a nuclear power, with the possibility of response. Regardless of how NATO looks at it, by the way: the visor falls anyway and better sooner than later.
2. If anyone thinks that waving a nuclear weapon around in Europe is somehow harsh, as is attacking the USA, then let me remind you that we have an unfinished military conflict with Japan.
– You can also wipe out the American base there (what is it doing there anyway?),
– and to demonstrate that Russia has nuclear weapons,
– and, ultimately, conclude peace with Japan,
– and to convince China, which also does not particularly need American missiles in Japan, of the benefits of such actions.
– and resolve the issue with Ukraine.
And after this, US strategists will have enough problems for decades to sit, dry their pants and figure out how to defeat a power that would never hesitate to wash the US into the world’s oceans.
No way.
Learn to negotiate again – you knew how to do it before.
Yuriy Sinodov

Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 14:49 utc | 56

While we ought to exercise reasonable skepticism about FB screenshots of grieving widows, we should also exercise some analysis and add in to the mix the fact that IF a F16 pilot were killed and the widow put up a FB post on it, no doubt Suckerpig would take that thing down stat.
FB is well-known for censorship and being in bed with the MIC. I suspect even if a spouse of a US armed forces member were able to get a post like that up, it’s shelf life would be measured in minutes. Spooks control that place.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 26 2024 14:56 utc | 57

Here’s the link to Karaganov’s interview to kommersant daily from 2 weeks ago, for anyone interested:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7059257

It seems his vision prevailed in the security council of Russia after all. I’ve seen him making the same points a year or so ago.

Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 15:01 utc | 58

Ghost of Zanon | Sep 26 2024 14:56 utc | 57
She is also living at an airbase. If correct then he was probably still serving.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 15:02 utc | 59

Posted by: Down South | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 45
The primordial interest of the US is to split Russia and Germany, because united they are the only force that could threaten us. – George Friedman, Stratfor

I think we have to move on from this old adage. It was true and important. But is now obsolete, the USA were successful. The remaining pieces of German industry are about to be dismantled (and will go to the US and to China for the most part).
The new version of the adage is “to split Russia(n energy) and China (production)”. That worked in the Cold War (Nixon/Kissinger) and is to a large extent how they won it. But that’s the one thing they blew totally this time.
Germany is irrelevant in most regards by now, in my opinion.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 26 2024 15:02 utc | 60

An interesting article on why countries are purchasing gold.
“Almost 60 per cent of rich countries’ central banks believe that gold’s share of global reserves will rise in the next five years, up from 38 per cent of respondents last year, according to an annual survey conducted by the World Gold Council, an industry promotion group.
About 13 per cent of advanced economies plan to increase their gold holdings in the next year, up from around 8 per cent last year and the highest level since the survey began. That follows the lead of emerging market central banks, which have been the main purchasers of gold since the 2008 global financial crisis.
Meanwhile, a rising proportion of advanced economies — 56 per cent, up from 46 per cent last year — also think the dollar’s share of global reserves will fall over the next five years. Among emerging market central banks, 64 per cent share this view.”
https://www.ft.com/content/578237db-be6e-4df7-a1bc-0e72e8837636

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2024 15:04 utc | 61

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 15:02 utc | 59
Interesting. Forgot to add to my comment, the fact that FB is a known bad-actor for censoring means that just because her post is no longer up, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. It would have been scrubbed fast, if it were real.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 26 2024 15:07 utc | 62

g wiltek@39….. first they came for the cooks, and I watched the meat spoil, then they came for the bakers, and I watch as they were turned to dust, dust like, like flour. Then they came for the tire changer, the postman and the candle stick maker, while the Oligarchs sit at the dining table.
When Russia destroyed one two three Ukie armies they left the back door open to the point where NATO flooded the hood with thugs on drugs. Now they, Russia, feel the need to change their Nuclear Doctrine……OMFG.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 26 2024 15:09 utc | 63

The sabotage of the Nordstream Pipeline – information that has not been publicly revealed. The participation of the charter yacht ADROMENA was to deliver the sabotage team to the dive site. The divers used a submersible vessel to dive and set the explosive charge. The submersible was built in Aberdeen, Scotland, especially for this purpose. After the charges were set and the divers back aboard the charter yacht the submersible was scuttled. It was later recovered from the ocean floor by a country adjacent to the site. Aboard the yacht were Ukraine divers and one English diver who had a primary role in the construction of the submersible and its operation. He is not UK military. He is married to a Ukrainian woman and had lived in Ukraine where he taught people to dive. There are several links to a Ukrainian group in London. A second submersible vessel is currently being completed in Aberdeen by the same crew. Although it’s proposed mission is secret, it might be for the sabotage of underwater cables. Someday someone will research what is known and write a book about the Nordstream sabotage. It was a daring mission conducted primarily by the UK.

Posted by: Bingo | Sep 26 2024 15:09 utc | 64

The new version of the adage is “to split Russia(n energy) and China (production)”. That worked in the Cold War (Nixon/Kissinger) and is to a large extent how they won it. But that’s the one thing they blew totally this time.
Germany is irrelevant in most regards by now, in my opinion.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 26 2024 15:02 utc | 60
Agreed. The McKinder thesis is a shallow, facile theory based on staring at maps too long in any case. A Navy guy comes to the conclusion that what you need is a big Navy. Who could have predicted that?
Western foreign affairs policy these last 50 years or so has been all bullshit all the time anyway.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 26 2024 15:10 utc | 65

re: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 44
Thanks for the link. I hope b decides to devote a post to this development. My thought is the fools in the West will continue their provocations and the escalation process will go into high gear.

Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 26 2024 15:11 utc | 66

Posted by: Bingo | Sep 26 2024 15:09 utc | 64
It doesn’t matter if the submersible was Scottish or whatever the fuck.
That place is, or should be, under strict surveillance from NATO.
So, only two possibility exists.
1 NATO is a scam unable to protect its members infrastructure.
2 NATO surveillance was ‘casually’ watching brazzers while NS was blown.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 26 2024 15:19 utc | 67

in re: replacements
Biden-Harris Project 2025 is ON!
Statement from President Joe Biden on U.S. Support for Ukraine, 26 Sep

For nearly three years, the United States has rallied the world to stand with the people of Ukraine as they defend their freedom from Russian aggression, and it has been a top priority of my Administration to provide Ukraine with the support it needs to prevail. In that time, Ukraine has won the battle of Kyiv, reclaimed more than half the territory that Russia seized at the start of the war, and safeguarded its sovereignty and independence. But there is more work to do. That is why, today, I am announcing a surge in security assistance for Ukraine and a series of additional actions to help Ukraine win this war.

• $5.5B Presidential Drawdown Authority
• Unmanned Aerial Systems and air-to-ground munitions valued $2B
• Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) long-range munitions
• 1 Patriot air defense battery, “hundreds of” Patriot and AMRAAM missiles”
• DOJ, Treasury, and SS encryption services
• 1 November Ramstein summit

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 26 2024 15:38 utc | 68

in re: replacements
Biden-Harris Project 2025 is ON!
Statement from President Joe Biden on U.S. Support for Ukraine, 26 Sep
For nearly three years, the United States has rallied the world to stand with the people of Ukraine as they defend their freedom from Russian aggression, and it has been a top priority of my Administration to provide Ukraine with the support it needs to prevail. In that time, Ukraine has won the battle of Kyiv, reclaimed more than half the territory that Russia seized at the start of the war, and safeguarded its sovereignty and independence. But there is more work to do. That is why, today, I am announcing a surge in security assistance for Ukraine and a series of additional actions to help Ukraine win this war.
• $5.5B Presidential Drawdown Authority
• Unmanned Aerial Systems and air-to-ground munitions valued $2B
• Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) long-range munitions
• 1 Patriot air defense battery, “hundreds of” Patriot and AMRAAM missiles”
• DOJ, Treasury, and SS encryption services
• 1 November Ramstein summit
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 26 2024 15:38 utc | 69
I’d say the children’s crusade is ON!
Can’t let ukraine fall before the elections.
Z has failed on trying to force nato boots on the ground and being told to hold the line at whatever cost (at least until the elections, or even better inauguration … does it mean the DNC is starting to see it will fail the elections?).

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 15:46 utc | 69

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7059257
It seems his vision prevailed in the security council of Russia after all. I’ve seen him making the same points a year or so ago.
Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 15:01 utc | 58
The link isn’t working.

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 26 2024 15:48 utc | 70

The incursion will thus become a historic lecture of how not to employ ones scarce resources for short term political reasons.

On the contrary dear b. In the West the incursion will become a historic lecture of how to employ ones scarce resources for short term political reasons, because what matters to our Western halfwit political leaders is short term political reasons.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 26 2024 15:52 utc | 71

Garbage in, garbage out, a principle of computing and more specifically of logic. Bad data leads to bad conclusions. Have you considered this could be the root cause of your poor analysis? Just like the entire Western misadventure here fuelled by hubris and cocaine?
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 26 2024 14:02 utc | 43
It’s probably why they are losing the war. The Ukies and Imperialism can’t even make an objective analysis of the situation. The lies they have been telling themselves from day one are the most deadly.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 26 2024 15:54 utc | 72

Posted by: Joe | Sep 26 2024 15:37 utc | 68
Price hikes alone will not stop the US, though,
Eventually, China, along with the rest of the Brics and the Global South, will say, ‘We are sick of USUK planning regime-change operations with hired terrorist with unlimited printed dollar. We no longer trust the magic printed dollar. so we will convert our existing dollar reserves into gold bullion.’
When the time comes to make such a declaration, it will be difficult for the West to misbehave afterwards.
For Brics, It is important to choke the West off by creating a situation where the West can take unnecessary action, waste their money on stupid sabotage and create unnecessary deficits, which will lead to an exodus of precious gold・silver et al from the West.

Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 26 2024 15:55 utc | 73

It’s just a replay of the Battle of The Bulge or the Battle of Kursk during WW2.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Sep 26 2024 15:58 utc | 74

Posted by: Down South | Sep 26 2024 10:58 utc | 3
I have no pity for those ukrops killed by their own TCC. They should know better, hide or fight. In fact, the more they kill before going to the Ostront, the faster the ukrop State collapses for lack of morons to fill holes.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 26 2024 15:59 utc | 75

In stupid but inevitable grand war (FWW), men may grumble at mobilisation and curse their luck but shrug at history-to-come as they trudge to their fate. In Just War (GPW) they see the purpose and understand the moral imperatives and step boldly, sometimes to fail(36-39), sometimes to succeed (41-45).
Posted by: petra | Sep 26 2024 12:20 utc | 11

As a relative of people who died fighting fascism in Spain (1936-39) to no avail, I very much thank you for your mention of this war and the respect your comment transmits for those who felt the moral imperative to step up and fight.

Posted by: Feamantur | Sep 26 2024 16:09 utc | 76

The primordial interest of the US is to split Russia and Germany, because united they are the only force that could threaten us.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 26 2024 14:04 utc | 45
Today that sentence ought to read: The primordial interest of the US is to split Russia and China, because united they are the only force that could threaten us.
Germany is a spent force, only of regional interest.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 26 2024 16:13 utc | 77

@ Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 14:49 utc | 56
“And after this, US strategists will have enough problems for decades to sit, dry their pants and figure out how to defeat a power that would never hesitate to wash the US into the world’s oceans.
No way.
Learn to negotiate again – you knew how to do it before.
Yuriy Sinodov “
Thanks for that link to the wise words of Sinodov – it seems that with the high profile coordinated announcements by the whole RF including to ALL the World at the UN GA that they, ‘Collective West hegemony’, can’t whine that they were not told about the Doomesday Machine (cf Dr Strangelove).

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 26 2024 16:14 utc | 78

Posted by: Boo | Sep 26 2024 14:49 utc | 56

For all the micro(n) virile members vargassing around waiting for the thick Russian dick to rip apart their AIDS ridden assholes, here’s an opinion that will make your rectums wet:

Outstanding insulting humor targetting a collection of boring clones regurgitating cliches from Western MSM. Thanks Boo.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 26 2024 16:15 utc | 79

Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 26 2024 15:55 utc | 74
Arbitrage opportunities at Shanghai gold exchange could already emptying western gold reserves

Posted by: Joe | Sep 26 2024 16:18 utc | 80

The imperialist world was on a gold standard for the largest part of its history. There was a gold standard in effect during the Great Depression. I am very far behind it seems, though, and simply cannot understand how anyone thinks gold is the magic metal that will build a socialist world economy. In fact, it’s not clear to me how gold will make a multipolar world, unless it’s like the period between WWI and WWII, which was still a world of empires. Worse, it’s not clear any more if multipolarity, at least in some mouths, isn’t in opposition to bipolarity, a division between the socialist and imperialist camps? Genuine explanations would be food for thought.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 26 2024 16:25 utc | 81

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 26 2024 15:38 utc | 69
Bibi is calling and tells the zombie-in-chief:
“Hey punk – I called first dibs on those weapons and missiles. Have you forgotten ? Now bite down harder on that ball-gag, beeyatch!”

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 26 2024 16:27 utc | 82

@Perimetr | Sep 26 2024 15:11 utc | 66
You are welcome – yes, they will escalate – they know now that they have seriously under-estimated President Putin and Russian resolve – but they have not yet learned how to lose …
this came to me via our Russian and WWII scholar –
Geoffrey Roberts, Member of the Royal Irish Academy, Emeritus Professor of History
University College Cork, Ireland http://www.geoffreyroberts.net
My other go to for up to date on RF is https://karlof1.substack.com/
Aurelien has a good piece on this – i.e. how to learn from losing
No End Of A Lesson.
If we can only learn it.
Aurelien
Sep 25, 2024
There’s nothing like a really crushing military and political defeat to concentrate the mind and force the learning of lessons. (A military defeat is bad enough, but if that defeat is political as well as military, then this process can become irresistible.) But learning anything from defeat requires three things: a willingness to accept that you have been defeated, a recognition of the nature of the defeat, and a preparedness to consider doing things differently. The West is in the throes of at least one, potentially two, crushing defeats at the moment, and so the question arises: will the right lessons be learned? Can the right lessons be learned? And how do we identify these lessons anyway?
https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/no-end-of-a-lesson

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2024 16:27 utc | 83

Interesting (and old) piece at The Exile on Russia’s relations with Belarus over the last 20-odd years. If the piece is correct, Lukashenko, while most importantly retaining power, had been triangulating vejhad
https://exiledonline.com/baldfellas-how-belaruss-failed-regime-change-movement-shaped-putins-war-plan/
In fact, right up to August 2020, the United States and the EU were making a huge play to peel Belarus away from Russia’s orbit, while at the same time, Belarus’s dictator Lukashenko was publicly attacking the Kremlin for “meddling” and “puppeteering” the anti-Lukashenko opposition. He was jailing Kremlin-backed Belarussian politicians, and mass-arresting and torturing Russian military contractors on charges of attempting to stage a pro-Kremlin coup. Relations were nearly at the breaking point… And yet, 18 months later, Russia was able to use Belarus as it pleased.
What changed in August 2020 was a massive protest movement in Belarus, backed by the West, to overthrow Lukashenko and replace him with the western-backed opposition candidate, Svetlana Tikhanovskaya. It was this failed western-backed regime-change movement against Lukashenko — and the sanctions imposed by the EU and Washington to isolate and collapse Lukashenko’s regime — that once and for all forced Lukashenko to stop playing both sides off each other, and instead throw himself at Putin’s mercy to save his regime. For a couple of months in early autumn 2020, the smart money was on Lukashenko going the way of Yanukovych, Ceacescu and other color revolution losers — but Putin, after waiting for Lukashenko to get so desperate for help he’d agree to any of Putin’s demands, came in and saved Lukashenko’s regime. And in return, for the first time in their 20-year frenemy relationship, Putin got whatever he wanted from Lukashenko.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 26 2024 16:27 utc | 84

(cont) … had been triangulating between Russia and US/EU since he came to power, and had had plenty of disputes with Russia over energy and oil.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 26 2024 16:29 utc | 85

Posted by: Bingo | Sep 26 2024 15:09 utc | 64
“It was a daring mission conducted primarily by the UK.”
BINGO! Bingo.
Or as the then dumb PM of he U.K. Liz ‘lettuce’ Truss, sent in a breathless predawn message by WhatsApp (🤡) to the Head Honcho at the WH moments after the explosions.
“ It’s Done “
Yup that cooked her goose and she was booted outta the Chair as soon as it leaked.
The Royal Navy runs that part of the natzios seas as the senior service they have the whole Ukropian Great Game Zionazi Adventure this attempt (two generations raised to it!)
Planned a long time. Including the whole Russophobia PR. It totally explains our decade long Little Britain love afffair with the Nazio Banderists poison dwarf and slava Ukrops.
Why Selenkys speeches in English all sound like they’ve been return by oxbridge/miltary family type PR toffs. Excruciating to listen to. At least they could have taught him to do it with RP! He is a talented actor after all. 🤡
Hence the latest dumb PM SirKeevStarmzy elevated to be the new churchillian Great Knight Dope. Who instead of dealing with domestic issues of deprived and privatised public services after decades of austerity has visited the US 3 times since being elected and ran to the UN before finishing the party conference to hug that poison green screen dwarf – which probably means he too now has the ‘black spot’ that befalls all such who get the poison hug. 🤡🤡
They are still jolly rogering around the Black Sea and Odessa and Natzo bases believing they are daredevils with their new James Bond Toy submarine drones pretending to still be relevant. Still planning to blow up The Bridge. Having done the pipelines to keep the Germans down, the Yanks in and the Russians out.
Fucking terrorists and pirates as they always were, formed centuries ago as the East India Company navy! The first in the ZioAngloEuropean imperialist conquest dreams. Gunboat Diplomats!
Not long now before we see them all in the ‘dock’.
Pirates like to be hanged together singing their pirates song.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 26 2024 16:31 utc | 86

@ steven t johnson | Sep 26 2024 16:25 utc | 81
tongue in cheek …
Gold is a pretty useless metal – doesn’t really react with anything – but …
… it makes excellent roofing material.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 26 2024 16:39 utc | 87

hi b, hope is all well. Your final paragraph sums it up all very nicely and accurately.
Country 404 is in ruins, that’s why Zickie is running around in the US of A [and his wife wearing diamonds] crying for more while the ukies are starving and no energy to heat them up this winter.
More weapons won’t make any difference. In fact, weapon deliveries have not changed the situation at the battlefield and they will continue burning in combat.

Posted by: AI | Sep 26 2024 16:47 utc | 88

@Newbie #15 “As Z has the agency of a lobotomized lobster”
Could that explain his “pith conference”?
Sorry to contribute to the unruliness.

Posted by: billb | Sep 26 2024 17:02 utc | 89

Posted by: AI | Sep 26 2024 16:47 utc | 88
elensky runs around because he does not care about the ukrainian people. certainly not for those of russian descent.
he is a puppet, and his job is to do the public propaganda for “russia bad” and to be the “official justification” for the west to escalate on russia/row.
more weapons will make the difference as in: more russian people (military or civilians, doesnt matter) get killed/maimed/injured, all for the goal of getting control of russia/row down the line. thats why they keep escalating. its not about helping ukraine or doing some “protecting of democracy and values” or some other bullmanure excuse.
its all just to hurt russia.
neocons probably think along the line of: “we pour in money and weapons, use the russian ukrainians to kill proper russians and destroy their capabilities, and once russia is sufficiently weakened, we can ride in on horses high to be percieved as the knights in shining armour and saviours of the “opressed russians”!” …or something along those lines.
then they have control over russia and its resources, and can move on to iran, china, venezuela, whoever is in their crosshairs.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 26 2024 17:02 utc | 90

Re: the run-up in the gold price; of course Ukraine is unable to benefit from this, having had its national gold reserves removed from its custody.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 26 2024 17:05 utc | 91

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 26 2024 16:25 utc | 81

The inherent scarcity of gold..and the inability to ‘print’ more at will..allows it to serve as a store of value. Gold isn’t perfect but serves as a bridge until a new viable reserve currency.. or more likely basket of currencies.. is introduced by BRICS. There will be a period of instability…gold is the bridge across this turbulent river, until stability is returned to the world economy.
Remember, at the end of the day, currency is just a thing given whatever value we ascribe to it. Meaning, it could be bottle caps, (except they’re not scarce).

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 26 2024 17:09 utc | 92

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 26 2024 17:05 utc | 91
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It would be ridiculous if they still had their gold, the crooks of the Western bubble have had it for a long time, or Sylenski has the rest. Oh no, there were some crooks before him and always the USA and Biden Junior.

Posted by: ossi | Sep 26 2024 17:09 utc | 93

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 8:25 utc | 759

ayden
@squatsons
“…Explosions in Khmelnytskyi again, at least 4 Kinzhals have struck the base where the last F-16 and pilot was likely lost…”
https://x.com/squatsons/status/1839213565116334443
I don’t remember whether it was three or four Kinzhals last time. Two F16 pilots were killed likely in that strike as the one that hit a drone then was shot with a patriot and whatever else the clowns could dream up – the US said it wasn’t hit with a patriot and wouldn’t agree with anything the Kiev clowns said’
Two pilots so likely two F16’s rather than one. If they launched Kinzhals again, it most likely means they spotted an F16 or two

Fantasies – ultimately the spread of fake news
again the fairy tale about 2 destroit F-16 — ( I am still waiting for an answer to my 2 follow-up questions from Peter )
I only have one message from 07.08.2024 about the so called first destroit F-16 —> Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 20:23 utc | 144
followed by a short discussion on moa:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/08/ukraine-sitrep-incursion-towards-kursk/
( to the best of my knowledge, this has not been mentioned or confirmed by any other source )
then a comment from Posted by: guest | Aug 29 2024 16:59 utc | 101 — ( which was then the starting point for further comments on mao about a second F-16 )
guest brought up the fairy tale of a 2nd F-16
guest simply repeats his source —> https://t.me/RVvoenkor/75942 –> official statement of the Ukrainian Air Force ( facebook )
BUT there is NO reference to a second pilot or a second F-16 on this Facebook page
a new fairy tale about — 2 F-16 pilots killed
??? any source about this claim ???
the rumors about hits on airfields ( was very quickly replaced by “lost in combat” ) — at least until today !!!
the last time there where two differt versions about airfields :
– Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast
– Khmelnytskyi Oblast
PETER AU1 also reports on these 2 locations : — what is the truth ???
– Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 9:57 utc | 10
– Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2024 19:03 utc | 88

Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 26 2024 17:14 utc | 94

Gold and other commodities have constant value, which is the labor hours needed to produce them. It is currency which changes its “value”. In general, when the number of units of currency needed to exchange for a set amount of gold increases, it is not the gold that is gaining value, but rather the currency that is losing value. This can be gamed somewhat by selling “virtual” gold into circulation and thereby inflating the apparent value of the currency relative to gold, but this is a futile scam as it just allows those in the know to acquire physical gold at a discount. The actual value of the gold remains constant. This works in favor those central banks that are vacuuming up physical gold for their reserves.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 26 2024 17:18 utc | 95

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 26 2024 17:09 utc | 92
Same is true for gold at the end of the day the value is the fixing for that day..
Be aware that, if you are not an institution, even selling phisical gold can be a mess.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 26 2024 17:23 utc | 96

In PR , words are less expendable than people.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 26 2024 17:23 utc | 97

“Remember, at the end of the day, currency is just a thing given whatever value we ascribe to it. Meaning, it could be bottle caps”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_money

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 26 2024 17:32 utc | 98

It’s probably why they are losing the war. The Ukies and Imperialism can’t even make an objective analysis of the situation. The lies they have been telling themselves from day one are the most deadly.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 26 2024 15:54 utc | 72
And NAFOs have been the most useful idiots ever by cheering the lambs to the slaughter based upon those same lies.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Sep 26 2024 17:35 utc | 99

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 26 2024 16:25 utc | 81
Gold itself does not determine the victory of socialism or Marxism.
However, the West capitalism, the western service economy are shopping around for credit.
All the resources that continue to create budget and trade deficits of extraordinary size, and that also pour into the military-industrial complex, are bought with pieces of paper of credit.
Those who should not be trusted (the West, that is) are manipulating ‘credit’.
The deficit that the US is currently running at will is also funding the war budget and the cost of using the CIA and others to do evil around the world.
When it comes a situation as the West is required to back money to make any purchases outside the West, their actions will be restricted.

Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 26 2024 17:36 utc | 100

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