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September 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-226
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20942 Posted by: Down South | Sep 23 2024 8:15 utc | 201 ▪️ U.S. President Biden and the Prime Ministers of India, Japan, and Australia, after their meeting, called for the need to establish long-term peace in Ukraine but failed to mention Russia in their joint statement; Posted by: Savonarole | Sep 23 2024 8:16 utc | 202 Zlatti71 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 8:19 utc | 203 Re Down South’s comment quoted resident at 200. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 8:27 utc | 204 Anonymous | Sep 23 2024 8:13 utc | 201 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 8:46 utc | 205 @Down South #200 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 23 2024 8:59 utc | 206 Please don’t feed the trolls. Let’s keep this a nice echo chamber. Posted by: Morty | Sep 23 2024 9:00 utc | 207 Don Firineach | Sep 23 2024 8:59 utc | 207 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 9:04 utc | 208 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 9:04 utc | 209 Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 23 2024 9:20 utc | 209 What to do when even the highest echelons contradict the hype?
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 23 2024 9:21 utc | 210 2.5 mins of Maryana here … WION … to put a face to a name Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 23 2024 9:22 utc | 211 Forwarded from Remylind23 Posted by: guest | Sep 23 2024 9:34 utc | 212 @Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 9:04 utc | 209 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 23 2024 9:47 utc | 213
What contradiction you mean? What highest echelons? Posted by: Tempo | Sep 23 2024 9:50 utc | 214 Try applying some logic now and then. (smile) Posted by: NAFOtard | Sep 23 2024 10:15 utc | 215
Fascism is a public-private partnership. Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 10:19 utc | 216 The Telegraph: Dozens from UK take up Putin’s offer to ditch ‘woke’ West and move to Russia. Posted by: vargas | Sep 23 2024 10:26 utc | 217 First time poster, long time lurker…I’m sorry if this is considered OT, but in regards to vargas’s quote from The Telegraph about dozens of people in the UK wanting to move to Russia (I’m sorry I don’t know how to reply directly to posts yet), where/how can I learn what exactly the lowered/changed thresholds and criteria are? Posted by: Stark | Sep 23 2024 10:55 utc | 218 Stark | Sep 23 2024 10:55 utc | 220 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 11:02 utc | 219 Part 9 of my blog series on the Ukraine war. Posted by: Rahul Deans | Sep 23 2024 11:02 utc | 220 Rahul Deans | Sep 23 2024 11:02 utc | 222 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 11:06 utc | 221 Again, sorry if this is OT because it doesn’t directly concern The War, but thought I’d ask while the idea was fresh in my head. Posted by: Naive | Sep 23 2024 11:09 utc | 222 Trying to sell your bullshit blog here … – fuck off. Posted by: Naive | Sep 23 2024 11:12 utc | 223 @Stark | Mon, 23 Sep 2024 10:55:00 GMT | 220
The only ones who will know for sure are, as you suggest, the Russian embassy personnel. Getting visas to Russia for an American citizen is notoriously difficult, probably even more so now. The assumption is that you are a spy, and so your application might be rejected. Posted by: James M. | Sep 23 2024 11:13 utc | 224 Refugee status type think…thing that can progress to citizenship. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 11:15 utc | 225 James M. | Sep 23 2024 11:13 utc | 226 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 11:19 utc | 226 Posted by: Stark | Sep 23 2024 10:55 utc | 220 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 23 2024 11:32 utc | 227 “А Ukrainian woman, shocked by the number of Ukrainian soldiers killed at the front, appeals to the authorities to stop the war” Posted by: Engineer-John | Sep 23 2024 11:37 utc | 228 Am aware that as an American, it’ll be an arduous task to actually get in, hence why I’m trying to chase this information down: I’ll take any break I can get. Until then, “difficult” != “impossible”. Thousands of people immigrated to Russia already, probably tens of, so as long as the borders are open, there’s a chance. I just need to be persistent. Posted by: Stark | Sep 23 2024 11:44 utc | 229 Stark | Sep 23 2024 11:44 utc | 231 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 11:48 utc | 230 So, the guest of honour at the Labour Government Party conference, invited to give a major speech, was General Zaluznhyi! Urging the defeat and destruction of Russia to applause from members! Posted by: Valerie Swales | Sep 23 2024 11:59 utc | 231 If US feels Z is past his use by date, this could be the time while he is in US. Arrange a coup and offer him asylum Peter AU1@204….they are dying because as LoveDonbass pointed out, Russia could end the SMO in one week but doesn’t have the balls to cut the head off the snake, they are slowly chopping from tail to head and killing lots of unnecessary fodder in the process. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 23 2024 12:17 utc | 233 sean the leprechaun | Sep 23 2024 12:17 utc | 235 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 12:28 utc | 234 Ukrainian reports of Kh-69 missile usage are proof of Su-57 entering active service. Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 12:34 utc | 235 Posted by: Stark | Sep 23 2024 10:55 utc | 220 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 23 2024 12:36 utc | 236 killing lots of unnecessary fodder in the process. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 12:37 utc | 237 US senator says Ukraine is ‘gold mine’ with $12 trillion of minerals ‘we can’t afford to lose’ Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 23 2024 12:38 utc | 238
Like the entirety of the Western media? Unlike the forums controlled by fascist Western moderators you’re so used to, MoA you’re going to need to be able to make arguments. Something you and your fellow useful idiots are incapable of. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 23 2024 12:45 utc | 239
You are lying. Because Donbass clearly stated that Russia could DESTROY Ukraine.
Or is it what you really want? That is how the SMO should end – destruction of Ukraine to spare yourfeelings? Posted by: Tempo | Sep 23 2024 12:45 utc | 240 Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 7:26 utc | 190 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 23 2024 12:59 utc | 241 Peter AU1@239…..ah, no Peter, Russia is making its bed…..so just this past year, record amounts of Russian fertilizer have made it to the EU market, Russian oil still flows through proxy to EU. Smedley, remember him, it’s a bankers war, or War for the Oligarchs…..you do get the joke. Not enough black humour for you ……give me a day, I’ll find more. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 23 2024 13:00 utc | 242
Almost like some are aware that underneath all the firey rhetoric, this is an economic war. Russia is also interested in the eventual normalization of relations, while the West wants a world divided and cold war 2.0 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 23 2024 13:06 utc | 243 Thanks for this post – very interesting stuff. Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 13:08 utc | 244 Sorry meant to add it’s not kickbacks, trade has flowed throughout the war with the knowledge of an encouragement of the Russian administration. I suspect you knew that which is why I often tilt at the ‘leprechaun’ as a propagandist. Hope I’m wrong, doubt I am. America continues to buy Uranium from Russia, etc etc. Something highly embarrassing to the West. Europeans still buy Russian gas, they just pay market rates now, which is obviously not good for them. Meanwhile, Russia uses the sanctions to expand internal supply chains and incentive domestic industry. It’s all been very costly, for both Russia and the West, but the West as a noted crack addict can ill afford such idiocy. Anyway. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 23 2024 13:16 utc | 245 If US feels Z is past his use by date, this could be the time while he is in US. Arrange a coup and offer him asylum Posted by: rk | Sep 23 2024 13:18 utc | 246 Ahenobarbus@181 “All this other crazy shit you’re talking is freaky and frankly sounds like Zionazi logic.” What gave it away? The fact that I used the example of Zionist revenge on Gaza? My comment was explaining the revenge mentality, not endorsing it. Of course honestly explaining the revenge mentality in words sounds freaky: That’s because the revenge mentality is freaky. I wrote the comment because I don’t approve. Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 23 2024 13:20 utc | 247 Ahenobarbus@181 “All this other crazy shit you’re talking is freaky and frankly sounds like Zionazi logic.” What gave it away? The fact that I used the example of Zionist revenge on Gaza? My comment was explaining the revenge mentality, not endorsing it. Of course honestly explaining the revenge mentality in words sounds freaky: That’s because the revenge mentality is freaky. I wrote the comment because I don’t approve. Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 23 2024 13:21 utc | 248 The conversation that ended the Cold War is very clear: Posted by: Simon | Sep 23 2024 13:23 utc | 250 The Ukrainian Gambit (1997-, 2008-, 2014-) Posted by: Simon | Sep 23 2024 13:30 utc | 251 Posted by: vargas | Sep 23 2024 6:17 utc | 180 Posted by: Carrion | Sep 23 2024 13:31 utc | 252 When I see massive surrender of Ukro troops and riots in Kyiv I would believe that Ukraine is finished. Posted by: vargas | Sep 23 2024 13:43 utc | 253 When I see massive surrender of Ukro troops and riots in Kyiv I would believe that Ukraine is finished. Posted by: vargas | Sep 23 2024 13:46 utc | 254 Doctor Eleven@…..used up whore crack addict…… underestimate them at your peril. NATO hasn’t even entered the ‘war’ yet, content to SMO slog along all the while tickling the bears arse. So to end the SMO Russia must do what? Negotiate a peace deal with its western Partners. Have we not seen that play before….sorry if my black humour might comes off as empire propaganda, it’s an Irish thing, the one thing, the only thing, that any colonial power can never take from you……. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 23 2024 13:48 utc | 255 Unless Russia is actually prepared to capitulate, I think that Zelensky’s theatrics have no impact on Russia other than keeping Medvedev in constant state of agitation (or maybe laughter, which would be cruel). Posted by: jared | Sep 23 2024 13:50 utc | 256 Posted by: Stark | Sep 23 2024 11:44 utc | 231 Posted by: Boo | Sep 23 2024 13:53 utc | 257 Posted by: jared | Sep 23 2024 13:50 utc | 257 Posted by: Boo | Sep 23 2024 14:00 utc | 258 Stark | Sep 23 2024 11:44 utc | 231 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 14:10 utc | 259 Stark | Sep 23 2024 11:44 utc | 231 Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 23 2024 14:12 utc | 260 P.s. None of the above was meant to be argumentative. You asked a question, so I responded to try to help you. FWIW, I have been very negative on the cheerleader types (overdramatizing tiny changes) and the “muh attrition copers”. And I have no way of knowing if the recent positive second derivative of territory will continue (the acceleration, that is). But I have to be honest, both ways. And it is at least mildly encouraging for the pro RFA crowd. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 23 2024 14:16 utc | 261 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 23 2024 7:17 utc | 186 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 23 2024 14:19 utc | 262 He went to Russia a few years before the sloSMO, got married,…… Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 14:29 utc | 263 sean the leprechaun | Sep 23 2024 13:00 utc | 244 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 14:37 utc | 264 @too scents #218 Posted by: Richard L | Sep 23 2024 14:47 utc | 265 @too scents #218 Posted by: Richard L | Sep 23 2024 14:47 utc | 266 Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 14:29 utc | 264 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 15:04 utc | 267 The importance of capturing Ugledar for Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 23 2024 15:12 utc | 268 The point was, with his Foreign Agent YouTube quickly gaining traction, he became A Name in the loose expat network. Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 15:14 utc | 269
https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/1838218726048506041 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 15:16 utc | 270
what does this idiot even mean? public discussions is something she should embrace! democracy and all that, right? Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 23 2024 15:21 utc | 271 A comment from Kunstler today (Clusterf*ck Nation) that Biden is permanently out of the loop on all military decisions. All decisions now rest with the pentagon. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Sep 23 2024 15:21 utc | 272 272 I think Russian should bomb Denmark’s LEGO factory in response. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Sep 23 2024 15:25 utc | 273 And RF never stoped posting total excess mortality (TEM). And there was a serious point study in 2023 about probate records for men under 55 in RF that I used to calibrate from TEM. Posted by: Newbie | Sep 23 2024 15:26 utc | 274 Came across this interesting German WW2 propaganda poster. They are mocking the Allied landings and rate of advance in southern Italy, implying the Allies will reach northern part of Italy by mid-1948. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 23 2024 15:26 utc | 275 Posted by: scepticalSOB | Sep 23 2024 15:21 utc | 273 Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 23 2024 15:26 utc | 276 Rahul Deans | Sep 23 2024 11:02 utc | 222 Posted by: Newbie | Sep 23 2024 15:27 utc | 277 Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 15:04 utc | 268 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 15:33 utc | 278 Posted by: scepticalSOB | Sep 23 2024 15:21 utc | 273 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 15:16 utc | 271 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 23 2024 15:43 utc | 280 Biden is permanently out of the loop on all military decisions. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 15:43 utc | 281 scepticalSOB@273 may be trying to beat the dead horse of Biden’s vegetable nature. If that was true for years, then Biden has always been out of the loop and the generals have been running their own foreign policy for years. (It’s still preposterous he managed to somehow get the nomination without being forced to announce he wasn’t running again but logic isn’t the strong suit for Trumpers—scepticalSOB may not be one?) The thing is, it is also routine to claim that “the generals” also prevented Trump from making peace with Korea or actually withdrawing from Syria or re-starting war with Iran (economic war is warfare, accept the fact!) One interpretation is that Trump was also out of the loop because of his own different kind of dementia. Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 23 2024 15:50 utc | 282 Re Biden dementia and who is making decisions. I saw something where Biden’s wife stood in in the presidents place in a high level meeting. According to the US constitution, the vice president is there basically to take the place of the president in this sort of circumstance, but even the clowns running the show in the US are not prepared to go that step. Joyful Harris…. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 15:55 utc | 283 steven t johnson | Sep 23 2024 15:50 utc | 283 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 15:59 utc | 284 Something to consider for anyone thinking or planning to move to Russia is the weather. Very long and harsh winters, sure big cities have central heating, very cheap compared to Europe, but still, no Mediterranean living. For young families it is a very good idea, excellent education, natural values, a human, cultural and geographical universe to explore with all the possibilities offered by it. Posted by: Paco | Sep 23 2024 16:01 utc | 285 If pentagon want a military man in instead of Z now is the opportunity. Coup and bring Zaluzhnyi in. Asylum to Z Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 15:33 utc | 279 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 16:09 utc | 287 Paco | Sep 23 2024 16:01 utc | 286 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 16:15 utc | 288 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 23 2024 16:28 utc | 289 [tonyopmoc_mode ON] Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 23 2024 16:32 utc | 290 Biden goes to visit Obama, and asks him “Barack, I’ve been running the world. But what about Russia? What about China?” Posted by: Passerby | Sep 23 2024 16:36 utc | 291 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 16:15 utc | 290 Posted by: Paco | Sep 23 2024 16:40 utc | 293 Paco | Sep 23 2024 16:40 utc | 295 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 17:06 utc | 294 Have no idea how reliable this more-or-less anti-Russian presentation is; or if it’s been analyzed here earlier. (Generally only scan through for “http”.) But I’d be interested in your evaluation, and the significance of it, if any. Posted by: Seward | Sep 23 2024 17:29 utc | 295 Seward | Sep 23 2024 17:29 utc | 297 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 17:50 utc | 296 In quite a trenchant piece Marat Khairullin compares Russia’s scientific and systematic approach to Ukraine’s ad-hoc short-termism. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 23 2024 17:50 utc | 297 reply to 255, 256 Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 23 2024 17:56 utc | 298 Seward | Sep 23 2024 17:29 utc | 297 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 18:05 utc | 299 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 17:50 utc | 298 Posted by: alek_a | Sep 23 2024 18:09 utc | 300 |
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