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September 22, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-226

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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🔻In Sudzha District, fighting continues in the area of Daryino and Nikolayevo-Daryino, full control over which will open the way for an offensive towards Sverdlikovo.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 22 2024 21:04 utc | 86
And kill the entire korenovo front…
Posted by: Down South | Sep 22 2024 21:10 utc | 90
I’m now seeing some nascent hooks being created in unremarkable zones of the front line…
But basically RF is going slow, I even thought it was a quid pro quo for no long range missiles, but the latest hits seem to counter that interpretation.

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 22 2024 22:12 utc | 101

“Revenge is a very emotionally immature thing.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 22 2024 16:38 utc | 21
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Pious, holier-than-thou condescension is a very emotionally immature thing.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 22 2024 22:13 utc | 102

Drunk disaster, your sensibility is akin a fur of a dog.
Stop thinking that you have a live here, poor looser.
Your fancies only are good to pressure you to think about yourself. Stop thinking you must not recognize your errors and be a real man.
You must return from you the best you can.
You have sixty a half and you are a clown. Why’ Because you can’t love you, sob, why?, because you feel inside that you are a sob.
Think right, get aside your temporal desires and focus on your feeling: what do you really desire to feel in your destiny?

Posted by: Pete | Sep 22 2024 22:15 utc | 103

Dima says that the current tests of the Russian super rocket Sarmat have failed. Instead, the Russians have built huge craters at the missile test site. Can anyone tell us anything more about this?

Posted by: guest from franconia | Sep 22 2024 22:26 utc | 104

SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
@simpatico771
⚡️It’s interesting how many missed this enormous admission from WaPo’s latest article. So much for “Black Sea Fleet defeated” narratives🥴:
Much has been made of Ukraine’s impressive success in sinking or crippling a chunk of Putin’s Black Sea Fleet. But with a couple of exceptions, the Chatham House study said, the ships destroyed or disabled were “very old or limited” vessels. The Russian navy “has lost none of its blue-water combat capability,” the paper concluded, and Moscow’s “global power projection capabilities are undiminished.”

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1837965543367647668
Image of the headlines at the link. I haven’t bothered to go direct to source, but the WaPo headine reads “The Losing Strategy of Underestimating Russia”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 22:30 utc | 105

Posted by: guest from franconia | Sep 22 2024 22:26 utc | 104
Well, your first problem is “Dima Says…”
With you, @vargas and one or two others it seems that MoA might be on the verge of a medical breakthrough in isolating sustainable and repeatable evidence of ‘Dima Derangement Syndrome’ (DDS).

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 22 2024 22:32 utc | 106

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 22 2024 22:32 utc | 106
Don’t feed the fucking trolls. It makes it hard for b to clean them up.
…………
@all
STOP feeding the trolls!!!
Posted by: b | Sep 22 2024 15:45 utc | 16

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 22:36 utc | 107

Perimitr @3
Reading your post it occurred to me that there are different levels of brinksmanship and “red-lining” going on, even within the West, indeed the US, itself. Even supposing the Pentagon has drawn a red line beyond which the crazies cannot go, it’s conceivable that they will run right up to that line, much as they do with Russia.
Nor, on reflection, would I imagine the Pentagon is itself monolithic in its sanity….

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Sep 22 2024 22:40 utc | 108

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 22 2024 22:32 utc | 106
I guess that one wasn’t so bad, it just when people start replying to trolls, there can be a lot of following comments that also need cleaning up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 22:40 utc | 109

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 22:36 utc | 107
Oops, sorry. Didn’t recognise that username from among the usual suspects.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 22 2024 22:42 utc | 110

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 21:50 utc | 96
Half my ancestors arrived from Ireland nearly 200 years ago when the Brits were doing their divide-and-conquer, starve and enslave program. And oddly there was a mix of Catholics and Protestants who eventually learned to stop fighting, for reasons unknown.
The answer to the counterpunch question depends… Like Donbass proposes, sometimes you just have to wait until the bodies of your foe, float on by, without you lifting a hand. Sometimes when the delicate balance arrives between life and death, you can give it a nudge. Yet, sometimes the insult is so deep that even time cannot salve the wound. Ask anyone in China if they have an opinion about the Rape of Nanjing or ask a Korean woman what it means to provide comfort to a Japanese man.
Only the gods can completely check their emotions, and only if they want to.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 22 2024 22:45 utc | 111

Anyway, I’m out for the night here. In my best Number Six voice: “Be seeing you”…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 22 2024 22:47 utc | 112

and this is for all.
You can live with mental addictions for a time, but that is a dream. Your personality, even not been your real I-ness, is doing things that it are shaming its rightness and its I-ness.
You have inside of you the light of the intelligence. Use your thinking to make your destiny, because the things you are not conscious awake, you gonna lose in your death.
Learn when you are here, awake. the experience is for you to know who are you. If you miss it, there is no heaven to save you: all the bad feelings that you desire are waiting you. If you are not a moral human, how do you call the others “clown”?
I recommend one year to get out of your MoA addiction. MoA gonna live and you are not his substance.
You can live without this curse: don’t you have the last light in your chest? Use it.
Please, let the trolls go.
YOU are not.

Posted by: Pete | Sep 22 2024 22:48 utc | 113

Oops, sorry. Didn’t recognise that username from among the usual suspects.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 22 2024 22:42 utc | 110
I don’t take note of them but saw plenty of shit from that one…
In dubio don’t feed 😀
For some interesting stuff, military watch magazine had a post on one of our favorite birds, the hellduck, and how it’s being FABulous. Anyone know any site or channel that keeps track of them?

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 22 2024 22:48 utc | 114

An amazing post with the appropriate title
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/20/the-madness-of-antony-blinken/
Is it possible that behind the shining face of the consumerism, lgbt rights and the talk about individual freedoms is a dark mind of a suicidal cult.
To me it seems to be impossible that a supposed revenge of these high positioned Jews whose families were victim of pogroms 150 years ago are the real reasons for this war. It is a too simple explanation. Blinken and Nuland serve some other, even more powerfull entity.
Why would the US put its fate ibto the hands of ex Ukrainian ir ex Polish Jews.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 22 2024 22:50 utc | 115

Posted by: vargas | Sep 22 2024 20:17 utc | 72
“Russia didn’t bother to destroy 750 KV network in Ukraine, an easy path to victory but probably some Russian oligarchs wouldn’t like it.”
That is incorrect.
The reason Russia is avoiding the 750kV backbone of the grid, is that without it the only thing preventing meltdown of all of the Ukro NPPs (the back-up generators) would be contingent upon increasingly unreliable supplies of diesel (and spare parts/service personnel).
Which sane human would want to all but guarantee multiple Chernobyl-style meltdowns on their own doorstep, and pray that they remain upwind?

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Sep 22 2024 22:55 utc | 116

kupkee | Sep 22 2024 22:45 utc | 111
We certainly all have emotions. I for one would like to have a panel of red buttons with the name of a city on each button. London, Tel Aviv, Gay Paree, Brussels, Washington, New York ect, ect. Plus a red button for zapping trolls.
A couple of things Putin said in interviews in answer to questions – “Emotions must be put aside when making decisions”, and – “I am nobodies friend. I am the president of the Russian Federation”.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 22:56 utc | 117

BREAKING: UGLEDAR ON THE VERGE OF CAPTURE!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 22 2024 23:01 utc | 118

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 22:56 utc | 117
Fair, enough. Putin is unique and in a unique position. Russia and the rest of the World, so far, have been fortunate indeed to have such a steady hand and rational thinker.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 22 2024 23:10 utc | 119

I have a greet, really, love, for this guy. I recognize his problems as the same problems that i had.
Be in love, have Childs, and then monies who are unable to feel what was the pain, it’s the confirmation of my failure. I wanted to be normal, wanted to live a life with my love and my childs, but I’m done and must be in another dream….. Blah, blah…..
Fucking bastard: do not speak, NEVER, about your family. to use it. Keep your own live for you as a kind of mutual an elegant respect.
Be safe

Posted by: Pete | Sep 22 2024 23:12 utc | 120

BREAKING: UGLEDAR ON THE VERGE OF CAPTURE!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 22 2024 23:01 utc | 118
Wouldn’t surprise me that it happened with a massive surrender.
That or heavy fight, they have no clean road to use and bet on not getting shot in the back while doing 10 km’s + cross country… not anybody’s first choice.

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 22 2024 23:15 utc | 121

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 22 2024 23:15 utc | 121
Seems the Russian forces are attacking rapidly from East, West and South…

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 22 2024 23:16 utc | 122

@Neofeudalfuture | Sep 22 2024 15:29 utc | 15
I agree that the very low altitude drones are a significant threat. I believe that they are controlled through ovedhead satellites and they emit vertically upward. So they could be detected by high ltitude surveilance drones from the video stream signal they transmit. Of course they can use spread spectrum links to hide below the ambient radiation noise. It is always possible that the US has developed a 3D mP of the deploynent area and the mao is used as virtual reality to fly the dronea, Ofherwise Russia can target the satellite support aystem or the satellites themselves.
The positive aspect to those attacks is that it gives Russia, China anc Iran the opportunity to develop countermeasures and review fheir policies regarding the security of their warehouses before the conflict further escalates.

Posted by: Richard L | Sep 22 2024 23:18 utc | 123

Another big Intel drop from DS. Very pro RFA, second day in a row. This time, not even a modicum of UFA gains to mitigate the bad news (for UFA).
https://deepstatemap.live/en#7/48.5275192/36.4636230
Summary of changes, in order of importance (my interpretation):
1. Vuhledar, substantial advances on each side of the city, putting it in immediate peril. And I mean immediate. Not the stuff we’ve been hearing for a month. But close. Combination of real, recent, changes along with admitting previous advances (dropping the cope).
a. Large advance to the north of the Prechystivka-Pavlivka road line. Most of this is conversion of gray to red, which generally means admitting previous advances, giving up the cope (overly wide gray zones don’t make sense). But there’s also some movement of the grey itself (i.e. real advance). Maybe 4:1 dropping the cope, versus new advance.
b. Small, but extremely interesting and strategic movement from Pavlivka along the E505 (if that’s the number) to Vuhledar/Kostianivka. Only a 0.5 km advance, but right on an access road. And the gray now covers the connection of the north supply road (out of Bohiavlkenka) and the E505.
At this point, it is only a km from this red finger to the SW corner of Vuhledar. And the gray is a quarter klick away. Very threatening to the city.
c. On the SE side, a large advance from Mykilske towards the SE corner of Vuhledar. Looks mostly like new advance, little bit of cope giving up (too fat gray zone), but mostly new…and substantial movement of the new gray zone.
At this point, the red is actually covering all the dachas to the SE of Vuhledar. Per Google maps, not part of the legal territory of Vuhledar, and on the wrong (for the RFA) side of the E505…but still kissing cousins to the city itself. And most concerning the gray is in Vuhledar. Yes…in the city itself! The orcs are in the castle! The sentinels are in the hovercraft. (Matrix refernce). This is another reason, why the town is in immediate peril.
To add insult to injury, 100% of the pretty green (counterattack advance) of UFA to the SE of Vuhledar is now gone. Poor DS.
d. If that’s not enough, a substantial loss of fields to the E of Vodiane. To include the slag heap of the #1 coal mine, overlooking Vuhledar. Looks like a real recent advance, not a cope concession of old too-fat gray.
2. In the Ukrainsk area (maybe we will have to start calling it the Tsukuryne area soon), couple of interesting advances.
a. To the north, small but important extension of the northern finger that is threating (not immediately but medium soon), the south of Selydove AND the north of Tsukuryne.
b. To the south, small but important advance threatening Tsukuryne from the east and Hirnyk from the north.
c. DS still not giving up the ghost on Ukrainsk itself. Has a slag heap and about 10% of the town in gray still. But looks like a deep pocket and kind of cope-y. Think he just hesitates to concede the town. (Have to think he is under some political pressure…doesn’t want to lose his cyber gig and get sent to zee Eastern Front!) This is sort of a dime, I’m waiting to drop.
3. NY/Toretsk area: Continued gains, along with some cope concession.
a. In the pocket between the two towns, DS finally converted gray to red. Large territory. But, looks like a 100% cope concession, not an actual new RFA advance. No movement of the gray, just color change. Also that pocket never made sense given how deep it was and all the water features restricting supply to it. This also loses DS the last connection to the 2014 purple line (albeit a point border). But still some symbolism lost.
b. Small advance in Toretsk, taking the slag heap to the S of the prison. Converted gray to red, but gray border also moved correspondingly, so maybe a real advance.
c. Note that DS still shows the blue counterattack gain in Nelipivka and northern New York. But I’m hearing more and more burbling that the line has moved further north. And I don’t mean the cheerleader types like Ayden or Rybar (who have a huge record of “reporting early”, but people I trust like DPA and Willy who cite the evidence that RFA may even be north of Nelipivka by now.) This is sort of a dime I expect to drop soon. Even though it’s not a too wide gray zone. Just an advance that DS may be a little slow to admit.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 22 2024 23:18 utc | 124

So the Uk better hope the Russians cannot track that sole sub on patrol. It is target A1+ at present. And it better hope the USN cannot track it either…
Posted by: marcjf | Sep 22 2024 21:08 utc | 89
I read a week or so ago, I think in the Mail, that all our attack submarines are in port. These are the ones that accompany our Trident submarines. This leading to a situation where the protecting submarine is USN.
As to the Tridents my understanding is that the missile itself is leased from the US with stock rotation out of Norfolk, whilst the warheads are British stored/fitted on the Clyde.

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 22 2024 23:20 utc | 125

“Why would the US put its fate ibto the hands of ex Ukrainian ir ex Polish Jews.”

The sentence makes no sense because you presuppose a non-existent subject.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 22 2024 23:21 utc | 126

Richard L | Sep 22 2024 23:18 utc | 123
The Nato strikes we are seeing now a cruise missile rather than drones. I an guessing the navigation is something like that of a modernized Storm shadow/Scalp incorporating what Nato has learned throughout the SMO, Air defence, radar ect.
To both plot a course through defenses and perhaps improved stealth from Russian eyes.
The Brits likely have a three month window before Russia has got its own readings on the missile and countered it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 23:27 utc | 127

The last American president was JFK
Since 1962/67 the ruling coalition, ‘Permanent Washington’, has reached a high degree of cohesion, and since 1991/97 the ruling class’s Mind Software has no brakes
The Mind Software or mental pie of our narcissistic masters is a fusion of the Book of Deuteronomy and Roman imperial ideology

Posted by: Simon | Sep 22 2024 23:34 utc | 128

The Mind Software or mental pie of our narcissistic masters is a fusion of the Book of Deuteronomy and Roman imperial ideology
Posted by: Simon | Sep 22 2024 23:34 utc | 128
Scientifically applied physiological operations.
Goering puts it far simpler than the the old classics on how easy it is to control the peasants minds.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 23:38 utc | 129

“Revenge is a very emotionally immature thing.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 22 2024 16:38 utc | 21
But it feels so good!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 22 2024 23:42 utc | 130

Another big Intel drop from DS. Very pro RFA, second day in a row. This time, not even a modicum of UFA gains to mitigate the bad news (for UFA).
https://deepstatemap.live/en#7/48.5275192/36.4636230
Summary of changes, in order of importance (my interpretation):
1. Vuhledar, substantial advances on each side of the city, putting it in immediate peril. And I mean immediate. Not the stuff we’ve been hearing for a month. But close. Combination of real, recent, changes along with admitting previous advances (dropping the cope).
a. Large advance to the north of the Prechystivka-Pavlivka road line. Most of this is conversion of gray to red, which generally means admitting previous advances, giving up the cope (overly wide gray zones don’t make sense). But there’s also some movement of the grey itself (i.e. real advance). Maybe 4:1 dropping the cope, versus new advance.
b. Small, but extremely interesting and strategic movement from Pavlivka along the E505 (if that’s the number) to Vuhledar/Kostianivka. Only a 0.5 km advance, but right on an access road. And the gray now covers the connection of the north supply road (out of Bohiavlkenka) and the E505.
At this point, it is only a km from this red finger to the SW corner of Vuhledar. And the gray is a quarter klick away. Very threatening to the city.
c. On the SE side, a large advance from Mykilske towards the SE corner of Vuhledar. Looks mostly like new advance, little bit of cope giving up (too fat gray zone), but mostly new…and substantial movement of the new gray zone.
At this point, the red is actually covering all the dachas to the SE of Vuhledar. Per Google maps, not part of the legal territory of Vuhledar, and on the wrong (for the RFA) side of the E505…but still kissing cousins to the city itself. And most concerning the gray is in Vuhledar. Yes…in the city itself! The orcs are in the castle! The sentinels are in the hovercraft. (Matrix refernce). This is another reason, why the town is in immediate peril.
To add insult to injury, 100% of the pretty green (counterattack advance) of UFA to the SE of Vuhledar is now gone. Poor DS.
d. If that’s not enough, a substantial loss of fields to the E of Vodiane. To include the slag heap of the #1 coal mine, overlooking Vuhledar. Looks like a real recent advance, not a cope concession of old too-fat gray.
2. In the Ukrainsk area (maybe we will have to start calling it the Tsukuryne area soon), couple of interesting advances.
a. To the north, small but important extension of the northern finger that is threating (not immediately but medium soon), the south of Selydove AND the north of Tsukuryne.
b. To the south, small but important advance threatening Tsukuryne from the east and Hirnyk from the north.
c. DS still not giving up the ghost on Ukrainsk itself. Has a slag heap and about 10% of the town in gray still. But looks like a deep pocket and kind of cope-y. Think he just hesitates to concede the town. (Have to think he is under some political pressure…doesn’t want to lose his cyber gig and get sent to zee Eastern Front!) This is sort of a dime, I’m waiting to drop.
3. NY/Toretsk area: Continued gains, along with some cope concession.
a. In the pocket between the two towns, DS finally converted gray to red. Large territory. But, looks like a 100% cope concession, not an actual new RFA advance. No movement of the gray, just color change. Also that pocket never made sense given how deep it was and all the water features restricting supply to it. This also loses DS the last connection to the 2014 purple line (albeit a point border). But still some symbolism lost.
b. Small advance in Toretsk, taking the slag heap to the S of the prison. Converted gray to red, but gray border also moved correspondingly, so maybe a real advance.
c. Note that DS still shows the blue counterattack gain in Nelipivka and northern New York. But I’m hearing more and more burbling that the line has moved further north. And I don’t mean the cheerleader types like Ayden or Rybar (who have a huge record of “reporting early”, but people I trust like DPA and Willy who cite the evidence that RFA may even be north of Nelipivka by now.) This is sort of a dime I expect to drop soon. Even though it’s not a too wide gray zone. Just an advance that DS may be a little slow to admit.
Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 22 2024 23:18 utc | 124
So the Uk better hope the Russians cannot track that sole sub on patrol. It is target A1+ at present. And it better hope the USN cannot track it either…
Posted by: marcjf | Sep 22 2024 21:08 utc | 89
I read a week or so ago, I think in the Mail, that all our attack submarines are in port. These are the ones that accompany our Trident submarines. This leading to a situation where the protecting submarine is USN.
As to the Tridents my understanding is that the missile itself is leased from the US with stock rotation out of Norfolk, whilst the warheads are British stored/fitted on the Clyde.
What is the problem about?
It is a lie.
What is the true.
The true is that Rusia has left behind the psychological complex of being, during the 90’s, a mess.
The true is that thanks to that courageous and temperate humans, the humans are doing their mess and not are doing an inevitable problem.
The true is that anyone wants to die, because all of us gonna be in the hell.

Posted by: Pete | Sep 22 2024 23:57 utc | 131

Re the revenge/retribution thing.
We have watched the world change as Russia emerged from the ashes and made the move in Syria. That change has been ongoing and supercharged by the SMO. The Saudi’s, Erdogan fully aboard the destruction of Syria as that was the only game in town.
Turkey, The shoot down of the Russian plane and the Russian economic sanctions on Turkey then Erdogan going to Moscow an publicly apologizing, now applied to join BRICS I believe. A Nato country turned….
Bone saw shaking down the others. I didn’t realize at the time but bonesaw and dad were clearing out the old Bandar bush crew in their turn away from the US and toward Russia/China.
Chinese diplomacy, unseen, unvaunted, just the sudden announcement of reconciliation between the Saudis and Iran the ended he US proxy war on Yemen. South Yemen groups flocking to join north Yemen Ansar Allah to take the fight the Zionists.
The carrot achieves much more than the nasty stick of retribution ever could. The multi-polar world.
Something different to anything in the past that takes into account the vast differences in nations and peoples. Not a utopia. Just a better world.
With the nuclear genie out of the bottle, it is the only way forward.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 23:58 utc | 132

Re: Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 22 2024 23:18 utc | 124
I would like to see the month-by-month on the percentage of Ukrainian territory gained so far this year – with the current result for September included.
I often hear Alexander Mercouris (for instance) commenting on how far the Russians are going and how they sure going ” much faster “ than anyone expected!
Of that I am sceptical – to say the least – they don’t seem to be doing that fast at all!
*As for Kursk – the territory taken by Ukraine in Kursk should be considered (while occupied by the UAF) to be an extension of Ukraine when calculating percentages – given that, I understand the Ukrainians actually had a net territorial gain in August – is that correct?

Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2024 0:01 utc | 133

English Outsider 53
“It was something of a shock to see, both in the Western press and in Western comment sections – not just American – the outpouring of raw Islamophobia generated by recent events. But it’s there, and it has to be accepted as an important factor, surely.”
Things are changing fast – at least, what was hidden is coming into view. Two things seem clear to me,
1) the “problem” of immigration in Britain and the west is going to disappear by itself quite soon. There will be no economic (relative prosperity) or political (rights, rule of law) reason for anyone to leave anywhere else to come here.
2) And can never return to Britain. I have a British passport but having a Russian wife and having expressed pro Russian views there is no doubt on arriving in U.K. jurisdiction I would like many others be subject to extralegal harassment.
Craig Murray has exposed the new reality in gangland Britain, ok Middle East Eye:
https://youtu.be/nBWbYBdGEMI?si=J6pQufOHyrH1loU6

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 23 2024 0:02 utc | 134

🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦September 22, 2024. Key updates:
▪️ Summary from the Russian Ministry of Defense: Russian Armed Forces continued their advance into enemy defenses, inflicted damage, and repelled 19 counterattacks; AFU lost up to 1,790 military personnel;
▪️ A 36D6 detection and tracking radar was destroyed, and strikes were carried out on energy facilities supporting Ukraine’s defense industry, airfields, and UAV production workshops, according to the Ministry of Defense;
▪️ Air defense shot down 6 Hammer bombs, 6 HIMARS projectiles, two S-200 anti-aircraft missiles converted for ground-target use, and 106 drones, reported the Russian Ministry of Defense;
▪️ The “North” group continues offensive actions in the Kursk Oblast, repelling attacks and attempts to breach the border, and inflicted damage on AFU reserves in Sumy Oblast, stated the Russian Ministry of Defense;
▪️ In the Kursk direction, AFU lost more than 380 military personnel, two tanks, and nine armored vehicles in the last 24 hours, according to Russian forces;
▪️ U.S. President Biden and the Prime Ministers of India, Japan, and Australia, after their meeting, called for the need to establish long-term peace in Ukraine but failed to mention Russia in their joint statement;
▪️ The Associated Press reported that Zelensky will begin his U.S. visit with a tour of an ammunition plant for the AFU in the city where Biden was born, though this has not been officially confirmed.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:06 utc | 135

It seems that Skamala Harris’ speech writers are moonlighting here as NAFO trolls…

Posted by: Honzo | Sep 23 2024 0:15 utc | 136

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Chronicle of a special military operation
for September 21-22, 2024
Russian troops hit enemy targets in the Khmelnytsky, Vinnytsia, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkiv regions.
Ukrainian forces attacked the Crimean peninsula over the course of two days, and also hit ammunition depots in the Krasnodar Territory and Tver Region.
In the Kursk region, fierce battles continue in the Glushkovsky district , where the Russian Armed Forces are preventing the enemy from advancing. In the Korenevsky and Sudzhansky districts , attacks are being carried out on Ukrainian Armed Forces equipment and strongholds in forest belts.
In the Liman direction, Russian troops liberated Nevskoye, advancing west almost four kilometers and breaking the enemy’s defenses in the area of ​​the Zhuravka ravine.
In the Aleksandro-Kalinovsky direction, the Russian Armed Forces liberated Nelepovka and landed troops in the center of Leonidovka. In addition, there are successes on the approaches to the central part of the urban development of Dzerzhinsk.
In the Pokrovsky direction, Russian troops liberated Krutoy Yar, advancing in the direction of Krasny Yar and Nikolaevka.
In the Donetsk direction, the Russian Armed Forces liberated Ostroe, advancing towards the Selidovo penal colony, engaging in battles for it.
In the South Donetsk direction, Russian troops are advancing northwest of Ugledar in the Prechistovka area and in the direction of Zolotaya Niva.
In the Vremyevsk direction, the configuration of the front in the Makarovka area has been clarified, where Russian sappers blew up the southern bridge at the entrance to the village.

rybar

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:16 utc | 137

LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:06 utc | 135
The bolded section is interesting in that the US could not twist India and Japans arms to obtain the statement the US likely wanted. India has moved much closer to Russia since the beginning of the SMO, and Japan only heeds a few of the US sanctions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 0:19 utc | 138

I would like to see the month-by-month on the percentage of Ukrainian territory gained so far this year – with the current result for September included.
Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2024 0:01 utc | 133
#########
Why do you have no interest in the losses in equipment and manpower, neither of which are easily replaceable?
Is it because your Nazi pals are getting rag-dolled by the Russian military?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:20 utc | 139

” Why do you have no interest in the losses in equipment and manpower, neither of which are easily replaceable?
Is it because your Nazi pals are getting rag-dolled by the Russian military?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:20 utc | 139 ”
You cant be serious. Thats all we ever here about from the Russian high command and many posters here. Your level of obvious hypocrisy is off the scale leading me to believe you might be A.I.

Posted by: Moonie | Sep 23 2024 0:24 utc | 140

” ” Why do you have no interest in the losses in equipment and manpower, neither of which are easily replaceable?
Is it because your Nazi pals are getting rag-dolled by the Russian military?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:20 utc | 139 ”
For reference, you’re own comment just a few comments above. You have to be A.I. as your self awareness is non-existent.
” Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:06 utc | 135 ”

Posted by: Moonie | Sep 23 2024 0:27 utc | 141

Territorial gain/loss is irrelevant and has never been relevant in this theatre. VVP had explained the objectives many times.
Bojo idolises Churchill, for whom the 1943 Bengal famine is named. He is merely attempting to complete his idol’s erotic fantasy – Operation Unthinkable

Posted by: necromancer | Sep 23 2024 0:42 utc | 142

133, Julian:
1. War Mapper does month by month statistics. See here:
https://x.com/War_Mapper/status/1830691518551564730/photo/1
There are other sources, but the info is similar and I just follow War Mapper since I know he’ll update every month.
2. The changes remain small (largest month was last month, mislabeled on the photo). It is still only .06% of the country and looks quite small on a map of the entire country. For context, 60 kmsq is .01%. That’s a good number to remember and gives a scale of reference. [And this is taking the Kursk incursion out of the conversation or else the net for AUG would be negative for RFA.]
3. All that said, the rate of advance, within UKR, while definitely still slow, does seem to be trending up. Just look at the pattern.
4. SEP is on track to be similar to AUG, at another .06% month. Maybe bigger. (Different source–if you care, I’ll pull up the video, but it’s a pro-UKR source and thoughtful.) That comment was made before a couple recent days of large concessions on the DS map (this guy was using DS map, not War Mapper as his source…very similar, but not identical). So, while month is not done yet, I would expect something equal or slightly better than the AUG24 month. Maybe 400+ kmsq. Maybe .07%. Of course, that depends on lines not stalling for the last week, but just extrapolating the partial month. Which is probably reasonable. There are some more pockets set to close, so if anything end of SEP may outperform. Maybe even like a .08%.
P.s. None of the above was meant to be argumentative. You asked a question, so I responded to try to help you. FWIW, I have been very negative on the cheerleader types (overdramatizing tiny changes) and the “muh attrition copers”. And I have no way of knowing if the recent positive second derivitive of territory will continue (the acceleration, that is). But I have to be honest, both ways. And it is at least mildy encouraging for the pro RFA crowd.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 23 2024 0:49 utc | 143

Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 23:58 utc | 132
…the old Bandar Bush crew…
Who were 9/11. A lot of the reason it can be hard to join all the 9/11 dots is because of the way a lot of planning and “stuff” happened outside the U$.
The Bandar Bush crew provided cover and safe spaces outside U$ “eyes”
MBS knows how the Saudis (Bandars) were used for the GWoT and in advancing Israeli ambitions.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 0:52 utc | 144

Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 0:52 utc | 144
Yep. MBS and dad swinging to Russia China pretty much ended the original CIA business model of War of Terror.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 0:55 utc | 145

BREAKING: UGLEDAR ON THE VERGE OF CAPTURE!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 22 2024 23:01 utc | 118
Quite a catch, I’d say .

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 23 2024 0:56 utc | 146

re: Paul Damascene | Sep 22 2024 22:40 utc | 108
Thank you for your reply. My concerns are that Biden is mentally unstable and angry, and the neocons are determined to have their wars with Russia, Iran, and China, and they are very far down that road.
Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 23:27 utc | 127 has just noted that the strikes I mentioned are not being carried out by drones but by an updated/improved version of the Storm Shadow.
Doesn’t this cross the red line of “not hitting Russia with missiles” that Putin said would constitute NATO entering the war, and the Russian Ambassador told the UNSC that a state of war would exist if this happened?

Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 23 2024 1:01 utc | 147

Bad news folks, Interslava has a post about Sarmat failure. Test silo badly damaged.
I suppose this are inherently dangerous endeavors and incidents will happen.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 23 2024 1:01 utc | 148

LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:06 utc | 135
Sky news Australia has a number of short vids on the recent QUAD meet.
I was going to link in the open thread, but haven’t, and don’t feel motivated.
It’s just more of the same at it’s core.
Australia is a bitch on heat, eager to take it doggie style from the U$ (being the yapping chihuahua it is).
India, seeing what’s on the Kazan agenda for BRICS, is playing hard to get…. And as it should.
Modi and Erdogan both. Don’t have to like them, but they are doing the hard work to keep their country’s interests paramount.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 1:02 utc | 149

DJT has absolutely no desire to continue the endless pipeline of cash and ammo to the corrupt Nazis in Kieve, especially after they assisted in engineering with their US quislings the Vindman, his second fake impeachment trial. The Vindmans, one of whom was offered the post Ukrainian Defense Minister, are reviled by the MAGA group.
Volo has no torque in the DJT camp. A DJT victory signals his immediate departure for Israel and his villa on the Med……….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 23 2024 1:07 utc | 150

Perimetr | Sep 23 2024 1:01 utc | 147
From the start,the shorter range Neptunes that were used to hit a few things, the brits and Americans were saying they are Ukie designed and manufactured. An indigenous Ukie missile. I assume parts will have no western markings on them.
I have no idea which way Russia will go with them, perhaps wait until their spooks get hold of rock solid documentation that they are designed and manufactured in the west, but whatever, its pretty much a matter of waiting for Russia to decide the response.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 1:07 utc | 151

Julian,
Here is the video, which I mentioned in 143-4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goRTCzHQ4gQ

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 23 2024 1:08 utc | 152

re: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 1:07 utc | 151
Thank you

Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 23 2024 1:12 utc | 153

BREAKING: UGLEDAR ON THE VERGE OF CAPTURE!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 22 2024 23:01 utc | 118
Quite a catch, I’d say .
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 23 2024 0:56 utc | 146
Yes, I’d say too, Mr ted. The ukes had been there ten years and built very solid fortifications, really dug themselves in. But now the supply lines are cut, they’ll either surrender, escape or be taken prisoner.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 23 2024 1:17 utc | 154

Sarmat failure
Plot twist. The cheap Russians had stolen and installed some of the same chips from the batch of Exploding Pagers. And Bhamm!

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 1:22 utc | 155

Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 0:55 utc | 145
What was barely reported in Controlled Media was the old and obviously ill King Salman making his pilgrimage of apology to Russia.
Long before the sloSMO, basically ancient history now, Russia (being a mere gas station with nukes) dropped the oil price which hit the Saudis hard.
Old King went supplicating to Putin.
And talking, as we are here, of revenge.. how did Russia responded ?
With a hahahaha hahaha, we won = you lost. Suck it sucker.
Or. With a grand, lavish, State Reception with all the diplomatic bells and whistles and extended courtesies.
Russia knew why the old ill King was in Moscow. The King knew Russia knew.
And yet he was treated…. Like a King. With dignity. And the grandiosity extended from one Power to an equal.
The King, and MBS, were forever grateful Saudis were treated with respect, and no attempt to humiliate.
The U$ could never be so gracious.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 1:36 utc | 156

Everyone, please try to remember that Putin could destroy all of Ukraine in 1 week and has had that capability for over a year.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 22 2024 20:24 utc | 79

Are you referring to waging war in a non-nuclear fashion? If you are, you are gravely mistaken. The RF’s inability to soundly defeat the AFU after 2.5 years of standard warfare should be sending a major wake-up call to all Russians.
What just happened here?
https://nypost.com/2024/09/22/world-news/ukrainian-drones-take-out-russian-ammo-depots-in-huge-explosion/

Zero Hedge reports that overnight, there were “several more successful strikes on Russian ammo depots” well inside Russia. These strikes are planned and carried out by the US and NATO. Only with the help of US aerial and satellite reconnaissance can the targets- and the paths to the targets – be selected.
Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 22 2024 14:03 utc | 3

It is mind-boggling that Putin et al. tolerate this.

Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Sep 23 2024 1:42 utc | 157

Peter AU1@97….. you’re such a hypocrite. There are humans on both sides of the conflict worthy of compassion and empathy….

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 23 2024 1:49 utc | 158

@Pete #99
The article is very infornative. I have been asking myself for the last years why there are still bridges crossing the Dnieper. I realize that the Russians have similar questions. I see that the Russian military have to wage a war with one arm tied in their back. To gheir credit, it’s difficult for Putin and the Russian generals to balance the needs of war, economy and politics in this unstable world.
However one sometimes has to break down a big problem in small pieces. For instance the Surovikin plan to attack Kiev by crossing from Belarus and closing the Polish supply routes might have ended that war much sooner but the plan was not adopted.

The second version of the plan was from A. Surovikin: to concentrate the shocked kulaks on two directions in Belarus and re-attack on Kiev and along the western border of Ukraine, accompanying the offensive with the complete destruction of the country’s energy 404, Dnieper bridges and border crossings. To all other geopolitical reasons, to dine on this option was hampered by the fluctuations of the Battle of Batka, the inevitable very large losses and the less obviousness of success, unlike plan B. Gerasimov.

Posted by: Richard L | Sep 23 2024 1:58 utc | 159

In real life, revenge is not just retribution. Revenge is about the personal satisfaction of the avenger. Killing the innocent when you can’t reach the people you feel wronged you is satisfying. Killing far more victims because they aren’t worth as much as whoever you lost is satisfying too. Worrying about who is actually guilty and how many would be equal retribution gets in the way of satisfaction. Merely getting even isn’t as satisfying as winning. Worrying about whether other people question whether you are just getting off on the killing or whether it’s morally justified retribution offends the self-love of the avenger. Those people offend against the principle of justice. Current real life example: Zionist revenge in Gaza.
The avenger believes they can try, sentence and execute anyone they wish in their own cause. The notion justice is something decided by other equals is offensive because they are superior people who will not answer to inferiors by appealing for justice.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 23 2024 2:07 utc | 160

Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Sep 23 2024 1:42 utc | 157
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We discussed the ammo dumps on the first page of comments, IIRC.
It’s inconsequential relative to the total daily consumption of shells by Russia.
Btw, it’s Ukraine that has ammo shortages, and its best weapons require rare and expensive munitions.
How can Putin allow this? Kid, it’s war in real life, not some video game.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 2:30 utc | 161

Posted by: Moonie | Sep 23 2024 0:27 utc | 141
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Do you have any comments to add about the way NATO is being badly embarrassed and destroyed on the battlefield by the elite Slavic and Chechen tactics of the Russian Armed Forces?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 2:38 utc | 162

“Bad news folks, Interslava has a post about Sarmat failure. Test silo badly damaged.”
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 23 2024 1:01 utc | 148
Someone else posted that news earlier, but it was called a troll. Remember folks, no bad news is allowed. Or else you are a troll.

Posted by: FormerlyWisco | Sep 23 2024 2:41 utc | 163

Sarmat failure
Plot twist. The cheap Russians had stolen and installed some of the same chips from the batch of Exploding Pagers. And Bhamm!
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 1:22 utc | 155
Thay should have stuck with washing machine chips.
Why would a failed “test” result in a crater? Smacks of impetuousness and lack of strategic thinking as Nordstream.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 23 2024 2:46 utc | 164

“Why would a failed “test” result in a crater? Smacks of impetuousness and lack of strategic thinking as Nordstream.”
Posted by: frithguild | Sep 23 2024 2:46 utc | 164
A lot of the trolls fail to understand the 5D game being played. Remember, low-IQ Israel isn’t the only one who engages of “war by deception”.

Posted by: FormerlyWisco | Sep 23 2024 2:58 utc | 165

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 1:02 utc | 149
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India and Turkiye are two sides of the same coin. They both want in, and they don’t want to be responsible for anything.
They just like being invited and made to feel welcome, avoiding any risk or heavy lifting.
Everyone knows this. Lavrov, Putin, Xi, etc. Better to have India and Turkiye at the meetings so that they can figure out who is passing which information to who. It’s an old tactic to give two parties different info, and then see which one leaks.
Hyper-self-interested parties are the easiest to manipulate. Everyone knows what motivates them, and when to push those buttons.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 3:08 utc | 166

Hyper-self-interested parties are the easiest to manipulate. Everyone knows what motivates them, and when to push those buttons.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 3:08 utc | 166
Thus the impetus for increasing governing authority – making money becomes easier because governments are so predictable.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 23 2024 3:24 utc | 167

The more things change the more propagandists stay the same.

Posted by: boneless | Sep 23 2024 4:02 utc | 168

The wailing and gnashing of the teeth by NAFO mouth breathers always intensifies as Russia nears some significant milestone. Remarkably, just like the histrionics of the captured media. One wonders what they think they accomplish with their pantomime of analysis, their sophistry, other than renew the contempt anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together feels when confronted by their pseudo-logic.
I’m sorry the West fucked up. But all the imbecilic ‘Ukraine can win!’arguments thst can possibly exist amount to naught. A heap of bullshit next to a mountain of corpses and smouldering equipment, papered over and thus concealed for a brief moment by Maerican media dominance. History however is relentless, and the truth is already slowly seeping into the Western populace, like an antidote to a poison long fed, reversing an all too real wormtongue.
Remind me again about how great a victory is Kursk, what with the mighty armored fist amassed now from across Ukraine.. just so much scrap metal and pieces of scorched flesh. Tell me more about the extraordinary privilege, so abused, now about to be snatched away from the Maerican criminals like a weapon taken from the hands of a lunatic. Actually, don’t bother. I read everything, and vanishingly few of you ideological types have anything of worth to contribute. Carry on, it’s wryly amusing at least.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 23 2024 4:36 utc | 169

Re: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 23 2024 0:20 utc | 139

Why do you have no interest in the losses in equipment and manpower, neither of which are easily replaceable?
Is it because your Nazi pals are getting rag-dolled by the Russian military?

Interesting question.
In World War 2 was it worth it that the Soviet Union had 24 million deaths? Or was it Germany that had the actual victory with 8-9 million deaths?
I consider the Soviet Union to have Won that War myself – even though they had almost 3 times as many deaths as Germany.
Was it worth it for the Soviet Union to have so many deaths?
I would say yes – what do you say?

Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2024 4:41 utc | 170

Re: Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 23 2024 0:56 utc | 146

Quite a catch, I’d say .

So I take it this (celebrating the capture of Ugledar) means you are FIRMLY in the ” territory capture matters” camp Ted?

Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2024 4:47 utc | 171

Re: Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 23 2024 0:49 utc | 143

P.s. None of the above was meant to be argumentative. You asked a question, so I responded to try to help you. FWIW, I have been very negative on the cheerleader types (overdramatizing tiny changes) and the “muh attrition copers”. And I have no way of knowing if the recent positive second derivitive of territory will continue (the acceleration, that is). But I have to be honest, both ways. And it is at least mildy encouraging for the pro RFA crowd.

Thanks – that is exactly what I was after.
So net negative in August – not a surprise, so it actually looks like September 2024 is probably the best month since early 2022 – perhaps even February 2022?
And no – I wouldn’t expect much of an acceleration – we are about to run headlong into a Russian Winter.
Maybe an acceleration in October, but don’t expect an acceleration of gains in November, December, January or February – more likely is a months long stalemate coming up in the next few months – and potentially a ceasefire before the ground thaws in early 2025.
Don’t worry about me, taking offence is a choice, I don’t get offended by people I don’t know. You’re anonymous to me.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2024 4:53 utc | 172

RT: 22 Sep, 2024 14:24
Motorcade carrying Russian ambassador hit by explosion
A motorcade carrying Russian Ambassador to Pakistan Albert Khorev and other diplomats has been hit by an explosion, the country’s mission has said in a statement.
The envoy was traveling alongside a delegation including ambassadors of several other nations.
The delegation had attended a tourism forum hosted by the Trade and Industry Chamber of Islamabad.
Several police officers were injured in the blast after an escort car hit a landmine, the Russian Embassy said.
None of the diplomats were injured, it added.
Pakistani authorities have acknowledged the incident, confirming that all members of the delegation were evacuated safely from the site of the blast. 
“All the ambassadors remained safe in the attack and had been shifted to a safe place before their departure to Islamabad,” Deputy Inspector General of police Mohammad Ali Gandapur told Reuters.
According to police, one officer was killed in the blast and four others were injured.
“The squad that was leading the convoy was hit by a roadside bomb,” Swat district police officer Zahidullah Khan said.
………
BTW. what’s the latest on Imran Khan?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 5:02 utc | 173

I wouldn’t expect much of an acceleration
Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2024 4:53 utc | 173

That depends upon Russia reaching the network of hard to defend steppe highways. They won’t be advancing across open fields once they break out of the Eastern terrain.
Consult a map.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 5:17 utc | 174

“Consult a map.”
Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 5:17 utc | 175
You and your silly, over-confidsnt predictions. As if you are the only one who can read a map. Hint: you aren’t.

Posted by: FormerlyWisco | Sep 23 2024 5:25 utc | 175

@ FormerlyWisco | Sep 23 2024 5:25 utc | 176

Not only can I read a map, I also understand the differential advantage bad weather will give Russia.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 5:39 utc | 176

Why would a failed “test” result in a crater? Smacks of impetuousness and lack of strategic thinking as Nordstream.
Posted by: frithguild | Sep 23 2024 2:46 utc | 164
It’s a siloed missile, and blew up in its silo.

Posted by: anonymous | Sep 23 2024 5:46 utc | 177

RT:
Zelensky accuses US media of lying
Vladimir Zelensky has dismissed a Wall Street Journal report on Ukrainian casualties in the conflict with Russia as fake news.
On Tuesday, the newspaper claimed that around 80,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed and around 400,000 more were wounded.
The journal cited “a confidential Ukrainian estimate” from unnamed sources familiar with the matter.
Reporters asked Zelensky on Friday to comment on the WSJ’s estimate. “80,000? That is a lie. The actual figure is much lower than what has been published. Significantly so,” he claimed.
While Kiev does not provide regular updates on casualties, commanders and regular soldiers have repeatedly admitted to heavy losses on the battlefield, particularly during the failed 2023 counteroffensive and the recent fighting in Donbass.
In February, Zelensky said that 31,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed in two years of fighting, without mentioning the number of wounded.
The Washington Post cited an unnamed Ukrainian lawmaker in April as saying that Zelensky had “vastly downplayed” the death toll in order to preserve morale amid Ukraine’s flagging mobilization drive.
Ukraine has since expanded its conscription laws to draft more men.
The WSJ estimate of 480,000 killed and wounded corresponds with an earlier estimate provided by Russia, which reported in April that Ukraine had lost around half a million troops.
Kiev has since lost more than 15,650 soldiers during its invasion of Russia’s Kursk Region, which began in August, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.
Moscow does not reveal its own casualties.
President Vladimir Putin, however, said in June that the battlefield losses were “one to about five” in Russia’s favor.
He previously stated that the West is ready to “fight to the last Ukrainian,” using Kiev as a tool in its proxy war against Russia.
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I think that for a long time from the beginning of the sloSMO, western “analysts” accepted Zelensky’s figures.
It’s only recently, with the cemeteries expanding, and the opening gaps all along the FEBA, that the Kofman-Lee- CNA-ISW tribe are beginning to realise Zelensky had them duped.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 5:51 utc | 178

It is clear that Ukraine is still very strong as they are holding the line. We see almost no discontent in Ukraine or in the West. We see solidarity in the western block as even the pension funds resources of certain countries are being diverted fpor Ukraine.
The population of the west, not to mention Ukraine or Poland was looking forward for this war fit years.
We see that Russia is unable to escalate while the west has many options for escalation.
We also ae the unseen determination in the West and very unform thinking thete.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 23 2024 6:17 utc | 179

In real life, revenge is not just retribution. Revenge is about the personal satisfaction of the avenger. Killing the innocent when you can’t reach the people you feel wronged you is satisfying. Killing far more victims because they aren’t worth as much as whoever you lost is satisfying too. Worrying about who is actually guilty and how many would be equal retribution gets in the way of satisfaction. Merely getting even isn’t as satisfying as winning. Worrying about whether other people question whether you are just getting off on the killing or whether it’s morally justified retribution offends the self-love of the avenger. Those people offend against the principle of justice. Current real life example: Zionist revenge in Gaza.
The avenger believes they can try, sentence and execute anyone they wish in their own cause. The notion justice is something decided by other equals is offensive because they are superior people who will not answer to inferiors by appealing for justice.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 23 2024 2:07 utc | 160
Maybe sit the next couple of plays out, tiger.
I was just talking of direct legitimate revenge. Like Russia smashing the shit out US imperialism in Ukraine, for example. That’s fun.
All this other crazy shit you’re talking is freaky and frankly sounds like Zionazi logic.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 23 2024 6:17 utc | 180

“We also ae the unseen determination in the West and very unform thinking thete.”
Reading what you are posting before you press send can make a difference!

Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 23 2024 6:28 utc | 181

Don Firineach | Sep 23 2024 6:00 utc | 93
Russia should build a Collider under the Baikonur Cosmodrome spaceport.
Would be curious to see what paranormal activity that could invite.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 6:32 utc | 182

RT:
UK urges allies to show ‘nerve’ in supporting Kiev
UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy has called on NATO members to demonstrate “nerve and guts” in their support for Ukraine, in an apparent call to lift restrictions on the use of Western-supplied weapons for strikes deep inside Russia.
Kiev has received Storm Shadow and ATACMS missiles from the UK and US, is only allowed to use them on territories that Kiev claims as its own, such as  Crimea and Donbass.
Ukraine’s leader Vladimir Zelensky has been pushing for permission to use the missiles for long-range attacks on internationally recognized Russian territory. Moscow has warned that such a move would turn NATO countries into direct participants in the conflict, and pledged an appropriate response. 
Earlier this month, Lammy and UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer traveled to the US and had a “wide-ranging discussion about strategy” with President Joe Biden, but failed to reach an agreement.
While the UK advocates for lifting restrictions on the way Ukraine can use Western weapons, Washington has so far held back on a decision – saying Kiev needs to explicitly state its combat objectives. 
Speaking at a fringe event during the Labour Party conference in Liverpool on Sunday, Lammy acknowledged there is “a very real-time discussion across allies” on how to step up support for Kiev in its conflict with Russia.
“This is a critical time for nerve and guts and patience and for fortitude on behalf of allies who stand with Ukraine,” he said in an apparent reference to Biden’s hesitation.
During the main conference later in the day he reiterated Britain’s unwavering support for Kiev, saying the UK government has committed to providing £3 billion ($3.99 billion) in military aid per year “for as long as it takes.”
Earlier this month, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Ukraine would not be able to operate long-range systems without the use of intelligence from NATO satellites and the involvement of “NATO military personnel,” and that such a development would change the essence of the conflict.
He added that Moscow would “make appropriate decisions based on the threats facing us.”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 6:36 utc | 183

“Russia should build a Collider under the Baikonur Cosmodrome spaceport.
Would be curious to see what paranormal activity that could invite.”
There is a creepy video out regarding CERN. All might not be what it looks like.Has been deleted from YouTube. Can still see it here, I think: https://youtu.be/Yo5AOe_yS9Y

Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 23 2024 6:55 utc | 184

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 5:51 utc | 179
Ukrainian and NATO military deaths are now at 755,000.
https://t.me/fred33flint/9453
For the benefit of the imbecile persona Nafo troll Vargas, how it works is that dead Ukrainians no longer require a salary or receive a pension. Contrary to your assertions, being dead is not a sign of increased determination. They are not bravely lying on the battlefield trying to stop Russian advances, they are very much dead, never to be seen by their mothers and wives and children again. No re-spawn. Game Over.
Only you Nafo imbecile sees their tragic, needless deaths as a mark of determination. Only your western political paymaster idiots Senator Lindsey Graham, Keir Starmer, David Lammy, John Healey who will cower in bunkers thousands of miles from the frontlines think this duped cats paw is the best money they’ve ever spent. Mainly because it’s not their lives ending and it’s not their money they’re spending.
15,300 Ukrainians and NATO forces have been killed in Kursk since that PR stunt launched a month ago. This number is relatively low, because a lot of the conscripted troops sent there have spent their time running for their lives; a tactic that you famously, hilariously interpreted as a ‘sign of determination to fight the Russians another day’.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 23 2024 7:17 utc | 185

Melaleuca | Sep 23 2024 6:36 utc | 184
That ongoing push by UK for US to allow long range weapons, and on the frontline we see what long range ‘neptune’ missiles being used.
It seems likely that is a custom build missile and only produced in small numbers. Production cannot be set up in Ukraine for obvious reasons, yet to do so in the west it would become a western missile and a Russian redline or at a least a point where Russia feels it must make a decision as to this being direct war or proxy war.
Any western weapon no doubt carries some US ‘technology’ so to publicly produce anything in the west would require US permission to be used for deep strikes into Russia.
Many drone components could be bought cheaply off the shelf in China, but China has recently banned the exports of at least what could be termed duel purpose components. That also may play a role in what we see now regarding missiles and this Brit made so called neptune missile.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 7:17 utc | 186

There is a creepy video out regarding CERN. All might not be what it looks like.Has been deleted from YouTube. Can still see it here, I think: https://youtu.be/Yo5AOe_yS9Y
Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 23 2024 6:55 utc | 185

obviously staged:
“I just happened to be filming the dark courtyard outside my window for 20 seconds, in the middle of the night, when robed figures walked up from nowhere to stage a murder in a public space in front of 100 windows.”
Just when evidential footage might be obtained, the filmer go all “Blair Witch Project” (camera waves about in ‘panic’ to prevent worthwhile footage).

Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 23 2024 7:23 utc | 187

Peter AU1@97….. you’re such a hypocrite. There are humans on both sides of the conflict worthy of compassion and empathy….
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 23 2024 1:49 utc | 158
Well, best you remember that next time before you dump shit on the countries the west is attacking.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 7:26 utc | 188

How a zombie lives

“The dynamics are positive.” Metinvest CEO Yuri Ryzhenkov-about investments in gas generation, a plant in Italy, Pokrovsk and the crisis in the global metallurgical market. Big interview for Forbes
Metinvest CEO Yuriy Ryzhenkov spoke in an interview with Forbes Ukraine about adapting to the war, the risks of losing Pokrovsk, the lack of electricity and plans to build gas stations, the possible increase in Ukrzaliznytsia’s tariffs and the crisis in the global steel market, as well as the shortage of personnel and plans to build a plant in Italy.

In the first half of 2024, the largest Ukrainian company Metinvest increased its profit almost fourfold, and revenue increased by 20%. “The low comparison base helps,” says Yuri Ryzhenkov, the company’s CEO. However, the company faces serious challenges ahead.
In winter, an acute shortage of electricity is expected, UZ plans to raise freight tariffs for metallurgists by 20%, and world iron ore prices are falling. In addition, in 2025-2026, the company must pay creditors more than $600 million. How will Metinvest respond to these challenges?
On adapting to war in 2024
In 2023, your mining and processing plants were operating at 35-40% capacity, and your metallurgical plants were operating at 65-75% capacity. What is the situation in 2024?

Almost nothing has changed for steel plants. Zaporizhstal operates three blast furnaces, which means that the load is up to 75%. Kametstal operates two of its three furnaces – 65%. To increase production, it is necessary to overhaul the furnaces that were repaired on the eve of the invasion. Repair of one furnace-up to $250 million.
Pokrovskaya Coal Group and the Yuzhny GOK joint venture operate at 100% capacity. As of the end of the first half of the year, the consolidated mining and processing plants were loaded by 57% of the pre-war level.
In 2022-2023, we rebuilt the group’s operations and logistics. In 2024, we adapted to the new conditions. It was possible to increase the production of iron ore raw materials at our GOKs due to the opening of the ports of Odessa.
Which markets are your top priorities and whose role has declined?
We were forced to significantly reduce our deliveries to the Persian Gulf region due to the increase in our production costs.
Traditionally, the European Union is a priority market for us. But now in the EU, metallurgists are reducing production, so the demand for our ore has fallen. We had to increase supplies to Asia, primarily to China.
Is the group operating at a profit in 2024?
Thus, in the first half of 2024, the Group’s EBITDA increased by 33% to US $ 650 million compared to the corresponding period last year. Although the dynamics are positive, this is mostly the result of a low comparison base in 2023, when we did not have access to exports by the Black Sea. In general, the result was affected by an increase in electricity and logistics costs in Ukraine, as well as a drop in world prices for basic products.
Against this background, how big a problem is it for you to repay more than $600 million of your debt portfolio in 2025-2026?
The global market is cyclical. In previous years, there were good prices for our products, but now the situation has changed. I hope this fall won’t last long.
Relative to the loan portfolio. So far, we have had enough cash flow to meet all our obligations. We have identified several scenarios for the future. In all these scenarios, we are able to meet our obligations. But now is a time when anything can happen, so we will be in constant dialogue with our creditors. We will find solutions.
We see that lenders of other Ukrainian companies meet us halfway and agree to change the terms of financing even without a large increase in interest rates. But again: so far we have not come to our creditors with such offers and are able to cover all the needs.
About the risk of losing Pokrovsk
In the first two years of the great War, Metinvest invested more than $250 million in the Pokrovskaya Coal Group – more than any other asset. Why didn’t the proximity to the front stop investment?

The coal industry is a constant investment. If you don’t invest, production will plummet. Recovery will take years. After the purchase of the mine, we resumed its normal operation for three years.
How do you assess the risk of losing this asset?
First of all, I’m not a military man, so I can’t assess the risks. I will only note that the mine itself is located west of the city of Pokrovsk and the front line, close to the border with the Dnipropetrovsk region. We believe that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will defend Pokrovsk and stop the Russian invasion.
Our task is to support the armed forces, build fortifications that will help our military to stop the advance. Recently, the Ministry of Defense adopted the first steel underground hospital of our production. Such projects help our military to hold on and still contain the invasion of the enemy.
Secondly, we must ensure the safety of our workers working in the mine. Metinvest evacuates families with children of our employees, provides places in sanatoriums. We encourage our workers to travel from Pokrovsk to the east of the Dnipropetrovsk region to work in shifts. We have started a project to build modular homes in a safe location away from the mine. Miners who are willing to work on a shift basis, but do not have housing, will be able to live there. Ensuring people’s safety is the main thing.
Pokrovskaya Coal Group provides your production with coking coal. Is there a backup plan in case of occupation of Pokrovsk?
We believe …
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Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 7:26 utc | 189

The more things ‘change’ the more they stay the same ….. (smile)
Posted by: Escobar | Sep 23 2024 3:40 utc | 168
Remind me again, Presstitute of lowly paid call centre type?
Caution “Do Not Feed”.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 23 2024 7:30 utc | 190

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2024 22:40 utc | 109
The worst thing is not the trolls.
The worst thing is realizing their trolls and my prime minister are on the same side.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 23 2024 7:30 utc | 191

too scents | Sep 23 2024 7:26 utc | 190
It would be interesting to know who owns that company – western owned or Ukraine oligarch. It is in a privileged position to be able to keep operating. Re electricity – steel making plants also require a steel production mill with steel products being rolled in what is called continuous casting as the steel cools from its molten state.
Forging is different in that the molten steel to the amount required for the forging is poured into a mold and then reheated prior to forging.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 7:39 utc | 192

Passerby | Sep 23 2024 7:30 utc | 192
At the 109 I was referring to JRL’s comment/reply to troll, rather than the troll he replied to. But as for the trolls being on the same side as our governments. Yep. That’s why I hate em.
The little green Oirish troll thinks I should have compassion for trolls, for those joining our governments in attacking and scorning those our governments have declared the current enemy of choice.
There’s certainly some weirdos on these interwebs though. Even a scorned woman mindset is now one of my groupies it appears.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 7:55 utc | 193

It would be interesting to know who owns that company
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2024 7:39 utc | 193

Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 23 2024 7:57 utc | 194

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary for the Morning of 23 September 2024; 07:00 (GMT+3)⚡️
🔹In the #Kursk region, the AFU is not giving up attempts to break through in the Glushkovsky direction, bringing more and more #NATO equipment into action. Another Leopard was destroyed near the village of #Veseloye. The AFU made an unsuccessful attempt at a counterattack in the direction of #ZelyonyShlyakh – #Lyubimovka, although they had previously been in a deaf defence there, holding back our onslaught from the west. There are battles in the area of the border region of #Nikolayevo-Daryino and #Daryino, which in addition to narrowing the AFU zone of control of the border, will open the approaches to #Selidovo, which the enemy has turned into a logistics hub in our region.
🔹In the #Kupyansk direction, the RFAF are expanding the zone from #Peschanoye to #Kruglyakovka (3 km left from LoC).
🔹In the #Liman section, our troops, having broken into #Nevskoye (south of #Makeyevka, #LPR), formed a front bulge up to 5 km deep.
🔹In the #Toretsk (#Dzerzhinsk) area, the Russian Army rushed into Leonidovka with a swift landing, despite the damaged equipment, the infantry managed to gain a foothold.🎬👇The offensive continues in #Toretsk, and the zone of control around the #Druzhba settlement is expanding.
🔹In the #Pokrovsk direction, #KrutoyYar (the road to #Mirnograd) has been liberated. The Washington Post quotes the commander of a tank unit from the 68th AFU Brigade as saying: ‘Although #Pokrovsk remains under Ukrainian control, it can already be called lost as a logistical hub.’ In the direction of #Kurakhovo, the liberation of the #Ostroye settlement became crucial.
🔹In the #Ugledar direction, the enemy’s resources are worried about the fact that the town is semi-encircled by the Russian Army. They report the approach of Russian units to urban development from the east. The consolidation of our troops in the forest belts north of the river is noted. Kashlagach from Prechistovka to Ugledar at a front of up to 6 km to a depth of up to 3 km. In addition, the territory of the enterprise in the northern part of #Pavlovka north of the Kashlagach River was taken. There is progress in the eastern dachas and further south. The section from the Yuzhnodonbasskaya No. 3 Mine to the Yuzhnodonbasskaya No. 1 Mine with a width of up to 3.43 km has been occupied. Thus, the AFU are left with a corridor up to 7 km wide for withdrawal from the town with only one route to #Bogoyavlenka, to which our troops are making their way from the east (4.5 km left).
🛡In the #Rostov region, at night around midnight in the area of #KamenskShakhtinskoye, air defence units worked on air targets.
💥In #Belgorod region, the town of #Gubkin was attacked by the AFU using a drone. A man and a woman were wounded in the village of #Murom as a result of a drone attack. #Shebekino was shelled. The village of #Cheremoshnoye in Belgorod district came under AFU shelling, 10 civilians were wounded. In Belgorod district, a drone attacked a moving car on the #Chayki – #KrasnyOktyabr section of the motorway, the driver was wounded.
💥In the #DPR, in #Gorlovka, a civilian was killed and five others wounded by an AFU artillery strike. A man born in 1962 was injured when a kamikaze UAV attacked a vehicle. An electric locomotive driver was injured when an explosive object was dropped from an AFU drone. In the village of #Naberezhnoye, Novoazovsky district, a civilian was injured as a result of the detonation of an explosive object.

https://t.me/two_majors/32381

Posted by: Down South | Sep 23 2024 8:05 utc | 195

🔥 First KAB arrival in Zaporozhye
40 km to the front
New reality

https://t.me/ZeRada1/21594

The first FAB/KAB flight to Zaporizhia is a signal:
1. There are more bombs. There are more planes participating in the “sowing” of bombs.
2. The Zaporizhia direction is interesting for the Russians and perhaps this will be their main offensive strike in 2025.
3. The Ukrainian rear will receive even more damage and losses – this is a burden on the budget and a reduction in reserves.
When the Russians drop the bridges in Zaporizhia, then there will definitely be a signal about a strike from this side.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18746

Posted by: Down South | Sep 23 2024 8:07 utc | 196

Public protest of the military against the state’s refusal to demobilize, thousands of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doing so.
Sergey Gnezdilov, a soldier of the 56th Brigade, announced via Facebook that he is going to the SZCh – that is, to go AWOL.
“From today I am going to the SZCh, until a clear term of service is established, or until my 25th birthday, having five years of impeccable military service behind me,” the soldier wrote.
He demands that the authorities introduce demobilization for those who have been in the army for a long time.
“Without a term of service, without a clear right to demobilization, returning to the peaceful rear and listening to society, the volunteer begins to understand that serfdom has not been abolished, and he has been appointed guilty and responsible,” Gnezdilov writes.
According to him, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine “a migration to the rear, to relative safety, is beginning.” He believes that evasion of mobilization is so large-scale because there are no clear terms of service.
He also does not understand why the soldiers on the front lines are not being replaced, although there are “five million people liable for military service” in the country.

https://t.me/MediaKiller2021/14516

Betrayal is brewing. Deserters or heroes, that is the question? A public rebellion by a military man is an alarm bell.
According to our information, he has already been “called”, since he chose the wrong time for blackmail.
His public protest spoils the information background of the US trip to the US. After all, Zelensky will convince sponsors that Ukrainians are ready to die, but here it turns out that even the most motivated soldiers are leaving, and not just like that, but to the SZCh.
We were the first to get inside information about the growth of desertion in the Ukrainian army.
We noted the following reasons that were provoked by Zelensky’s strategy:
1. He threw all the military who believed him – crossed out demobilization.
2. He organized Zemobilization, which turned the people into serfs/slaves.
3. He continued his policy: “hype is more important than strategy”, when they conduct operations for the sake of PR and do not take into account the victims and costs.
They also pointed out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in for difficult times due to Zelensky’s incorrectly chosen strategy.
According to our information, Bankova has already given instructions to prevent other public attacks in this case. The office workers are very afraid that the military man will be supported in his fight for demobilization, and many other military personnel will publicly declare about the SZCh.
Zelensky will try to save his own skin. They want to pin everything on Syrsky, Zaluzhny and Umerov. Allegedly, they are to blame, and not Zelensky and his entourage.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18747

Posted by: Down South | Sep 23 2024 8:11 utc | 197

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 23 2024 7:17 utc | 186
Thanks, Lev. Thanks a lot. Your comments make it worthwhile being here.

Posted by: Avtonom | Sep 23 2024 8:12 utc | 198

In Volyn, Kirill Timoshenko built beautiful defensive structures, which Zelensky showed everyone, but no one built them in Donbas. Zelensky’s Kursk adventure deprived the Ukrainian Armed Forces of reserves, and the Kremlin simply played a gambit with us, giving up part of the territory as bait, while taking away the strategic initiative on the Eastern Front.
There are no fortifications beyond Chasovy Yar, the loss of Ugledar is a matter of time. MP Maryana Bezugla, despite leaving the Rada’s defense committee, continues to travel to Donbas and criticize the Ukrainian Armed Forces command.
“I’m returning from Donetsk again. There are no fortifications beyond Chasovy Yar, Kostyantynivka is not ready for defense. Kurakhovo is also not ready. Selidovo inside the city was completely unprepared for defense, now they are feverishly trying to do something. There are no borders beyond Ugledar, and the chaos created by Syrsky in the 72nd Brigade due to the removal of the brigade commander at the peak of the Russian offensive and the non-priority replenishment of a priority unit now makes the loss of Ugledar a matter of time,” she wrote.
According to Bezuglya, brigades of mobilized troops “who did not participate in the fighting and are fleeing due to fear and lack of training” are being sent to replenish the Donetsk and Kharkiv regions.
“The predominantly mobilized officer corps of these brigades (“jackets”) have not undergone coordination and do not know basic things. They continue to do this instead of priority replenishment of combat brigades,” she said.
At the same time, according to Bezuglya, the construction of fortifications around Pokrovsk and Mirnograd has begun, but this is a “local initiative.”

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24408

Posted by: Down South | Sep 23 2024 8:12 utc | 199

173, Julian:
1. If you are going to net out Kursk, for AUG (and could be reasonable), just realize that you also have to credit the RFA for (partial) Kursk reversals in SEP, also. So, it will make SEP even more large.
2. I actually think it’s reasonable to look at things both ways (just analytically). Of course if the war ended tomorrow, the situation in Kursk would matter. Heck, could even make the case that that territory is MORE meaningful, because of the black eye. But still, worth looking at it both ways, since the fronts are so separate. And since Kursk is looking more an more like a one-off, into less well defended terrain.
If you view the video that I linked for you, made by an analytical pro UKR type, between about 5:00-15:00, he shows both cases. And for the “not netting” (i.e. East Front only), it’s a clear pattern of a ramp. Heck, he cuts out Kharkiv gains also (which was half of May). This slightly reduces the overall achievement, but makes the ramp even more defined. And I think a reasonable case can be made that both Kharkiv and Kursk are sort of diversions from the real fight, which is about the ownership of the Donbas. I remember saying that Kharkiv incursion was the best comparison for Kursk (right when Kursk started) and I got a lot of pushback from the crowd here who wanted to say Kursk was another few days Belgorad speed run. (And Kursk has been more significant in scale than Kharkiv…yet I still find a lot of similarity between the two. Much closer to each other than to the Belgorad sillinesses. And both have some scale, some persistance…and are in areas that really are not what either side wanted (but just trying to grab or divert…but not the actual bone of contention).
3. I agree that weather should have an impact in winter and for that matter in spring (and even fall to an extent) mud seasons. Maybe one could imagine a ramp with some seasonality superimposed.
4. There’s a lot of territory in the south. Basically between Selidove and Vuhledar. So, I would not be surprised to see continued chewing away there, with decent (at least versus the complete stalemate before) gains for next few months. I do think Pokrovsk will be a tough nut to crack and much more Avdiivka/Bakhmut like. For one things the scale is bigger of the town. For another, the attack will necessarily need to go through defense lines in the “expected” direction, versus the easier attacks RFA has been able to make in many areas south of the Oche flower.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 23 2024 8:13 utc | 200