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September 19, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-223
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Caution: “Nuuuuukes” nutters lurking. Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 1:20 utc | 201 Thanks Gents. Peace be with you too. Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 1:23 utc | 202 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 23:57 utc | 177 Posted by: watcher | Sep 20 2024 1:34 utc | 203 Posted by: darkmoon | Sep 20 2024 0:01 utc | 179 Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 20 2024 1:36 utc | 204 Sonar21 has a guest post up about the effects of a four-warhead, relatively low-yield EMP strike on the US Long/short: the entire grid would go down in as little as three minutes, some 26 nuclear reactors in this particular scenario would melt down and contaminate vast swathes of the US, and even if everyone in the rest of the world was just fine, it would take several years to get US powerplants up and running again. Posted by: Honzo | Sep 20 2024 1:47 utc | 205 Really pissed at R.T. Featured on Russia Today’s site was an analysis by a highly connected Azerbaijani academic, connected highly in Russian academic circles including the influential Valdai Club. Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 20 2024 2:02 utc | 206 Oops. Was so enraged at those figures posted in R.T. that I went and posted this on the Ukraine thread rather than the one on the Palestinian struggle. Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 20 2024 2:07 utc | 207 Madam Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the Harris administration has the courage and experience to take a new direction in Ukraine. Funny how Victoria Nuland let the cat out of the bag on Sept. 3 admitting the peace process in 2022 Turkiye was torpedoed. Posted by: frithguild | Sep 20 2024 2:30 utc | 208 Poland discussing its mission in peace plan for UA. Possibly, the one that RU must be bombed with long range weapons, to agree to… Posted by: Alex Vadim | Sep 20 2024 4:30 utc | 209 Simplicius is just a Russian propagandist. Posted by: Screwdriver | Sep 20 2024 5:20 utc | 210 Yup, RT is definitely pro Zionist. Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 5:39 utc | 211 Toropets, for those who have actually read, absorbed and comprehended Simplicius’ take on it, is, with the SMO, a nothingburger. S makes three points: One thing that is in no doubt whatsoever re. Toropets is that it wasn’t a fucking drone that hit it. I think that should be most peoples concern. Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 20 2024 6:10 utc | 213
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 6:32 utc | 214
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17833 Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 6:34 utc | 215
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/24383 Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 6:38 utc | 217
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24384 Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 6:39 utc | 218 Or, pace Canuck, aboot. Posted by: Call it what u will | Sep 20 2024 6:40 utc | 219
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20896 Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 6:40 utc | 220
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20898 Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 6:42 utc | 221 RT is a very strange group. Posted by: MaryPeck | Sep 20 2024 6:48 utc | 222 Massive Explosion of Russian Arms Depot Leaves Unanswered Questions Posted by: j | Sep 20 2024 7:01 utc | 223 5) Ever notice how all the pro-Russian accounts seem to be coming from those who live in the USA? Ever notice how most of them are U.S. intelligence operatives? They are the ONLY ones on earth who rave about Russian military tech. The only ones. I can speak Russian and the mood in Russia is very pessimistic. Posted by: ossi | Sep 20 2024 7:19 utc | 224 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 23:28 utc | 165 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 20 2024 7:29 utc | 225 #214 Posted by: darkmoon | Sep 20 2024 7:45 utc | 226 It was ammo in soft storage or out in the open. Anything which causes an initital explosion, be it a drone or even falling debris can be enough to set a whole stack off. Posted by: ossi | Sep 20 2024 8:01 utc | 227
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 8:13 utc | 228 unimperator @ Sep 19 2024 19:19 utc | 97
There was a video on Telegram the other day with Russian field artillery calmly giving an interview in their emplacement while firing downrange. Not a care in the world, no shoot-and-scoot, no looks to the sky. If that wasn’t entirely staged it shows the safety net the forces have built. Posted by: SOS | Sep 20 2024 8:13 utc | 229 @Down South Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2024 8:19 utc | 230
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 9:05 utc | 231 You keep selling to hard. Soften you pitch.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2024 9:07 utc | 232 Nicolai Lilin on his YT a while back did a good expose’ on Yermak, apparently Yermak is the one running the show in Ukraine. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 9:10 utc | 233 As to why drop a nuke at all, simply to send a message to Russia that they are ready to play hardball. Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 20 2024 9:17 utc | 234 Hundreds Of NATO Personnel Confirmed Dead After Another Failed ‘Ukrainian War Safari’
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2024 9:28 utc | 235
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2024 9:32 utc | 236 The reason they would want to keep a lid is because the Khmelnitsky weapon depot was hit with a similar device in 2023. The two explosions look exactly the same, plasma as hot as the sun falling from the mushroom. Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 20 2024 9:41 utc | 237 MaryPeck @ 223
RT is simple pop Russian oriented infotainment for non Russians, it’s totally western msm structured, personality driven and somewhat challenging in a short and superficial way, not without worth or charm, at least compared to anything else in western msm. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 9:50 utc | 238
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 20 2024 9:56 utc | 239 Posted by: Newbie | Sep 18 2024 12:39 utc | 601 Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 20 2024 10:08 utc | 240 Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:50 utc | 66 Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 20 2024 10:09 utc | 241 Also notable was the fact of destruction of Leopard 2A5 near #Sheptukhovka in Korenevsky district, more than 25 km from the border (the area of the ‘old’ AFU breakthrough), which indicates that the enemy is using quite rare #NATO equipment in the #Kursk operation. Yesterday morning it was reported that the Russian Army had liberated #NikolayevoDaryino and #Daryino. Posted by: Newbie | Sep 20 2024 10:32 utc | 242 Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 20 2024 9:56 utc | 240 Posted by: Urban Fox | Sep 20 2024 10:36 utc | 243 Yet more US sanctions upon Russian oil exports just announced. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 20 2024 10:52 utc | 244 How long do you think it will take to cover these 40 km AND then take Zaporizhia AND cross the Dnieper? Posted by: Newbie | Sep 20 2024 11:05 utc | 245 Jake Blanchard @ 245
Someone here around the start of the SMO said, and I paraphrase and embellish: they are building a new iron curtain but this time the resources, technology, industry, capital, and markets are all on the other side of the curtain. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 11:24 utc | 246 Is de-dollarisation the only way? Posted by: Savonarole | Sep 20 2024 11:27 utc | 247 https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/#post-colonelcassad-9393759 Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 20 2024 11:28 utc | 248
It is obvious that Russia can’t avoid the war with NATO. It could have avoided it if it had used n. weapons before. Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2024 11:29 utc | 249 “NATO chief says ‘best and strongest security guarantee’ for Ukraine is Ukraine Weekly Update, 20th September 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-006 Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 20 2024 11:43 utc | 251 Just to add to @248, more riches accumulating on the far side of the new Iron Curtain. That’s the collective suicide by autoerotic asphyxiation of the west, a dangerous pleasure, and all their weapons and demon armies won’t stop history:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 11:43 utc | 252 “Is de-dollarisation the only way?” Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2024 11:29 utc | 251 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 20 2024 11:46 utc | 254 Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2024 11:29 utc | 251 Posted by: Mario | Sep 20 2024 12:02 utc | 255 anon2020 @233: “I worked out long ago that, with many here…” Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2024 12:29 utc | 256 Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 58 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 20 2024 12:41 utc | 257 Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2024 11:29 utc | 251 Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2024 12:43 utc | 258 William Gruff | Sep 20 2024 12:29 utc | 261 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 12:57 utc | 259 canuck | Sep 20 2024 11:45 utc | 255 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 13:02 utc | 260 ”Nukes are magical, and everyone in the whole wide world will be psychically notified instantly if one goes off!” Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2024 13:05 utc | 261 Posted by: vargas | Sep 20 2024 12:43 utc | 263 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 20 2024 13:17 utc | 263 I don’t account the “condensates” as “crude” , hence the difference :). You can’t make diesel fuel witch condensates. Posted by: Escobar | Sep 20 2024 13:25 utc | 264 Re the various arrests that are now occurring in the Russian military. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 13:28 utc | 265 the investigation into the murder of Russell Bentley (call sign ‘Texas’) has been completed. Posted by: Escobar | Sep 20 2024 13:32 utc | 266 Waymad@213…..was it just a drone eh, well a phrase often heard on the battle field…..fire one round, for effect….so non essential ammo dump goes poof….for effect. Now had that been one of those bright flashie thingies, apparently that’s the signature, who’s gonna eat cold crow pie. Remember: for effect. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 20 2024 13:33 utc | 267 https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr3255gpjgo
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It’s worth reading the whole thing just to find out how completely wrong MoA is about everything. Russia has completely failed and will shortly implode, apparently. If only reality was scripted by the BBC, everything would be so much more sensible. Posted by: Occasional poster | Sep 20 2024 13:41 utc | 268 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 21:06 utc | 124
THAT’S simply crap !!! — like shadowbanned Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 20 2024 13:43 utc | 269 Seems to be a lot of mysticism and misinformation surrounding nukes. Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 13:48 utc | 270
Interesting argument. Do you have any facts to support this viewpoint? Otherwise it might seem to some that your post is a vain attempt to reassure yourself that your worldview is correct, even as reality increasingly intrudes. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2024 13:51 utc | 271
Oh look! We are blessed with the presence of NAFOs own ‘Chemical Ali’! How’s ‘muh attrition going’, chief? Got some hot cope to post? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2024 13:53 utc | 272 Apologies, incorrectly formatted. Of course the explosion wasn’t nuclear, including the earlier strike on the DU ammunition dump in Ukraone. They’re big conventional explosions. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2024 13:53 utc | 273 Apologies, as hopefully I don’t often do, I’ve misread intention by occasional and perhaps even anonymous..maybe a different anonymous. No offense intended. I’m going home, no I’m fine to drive thanks. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2024 13:56 utc | 274 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2024 13:53 utc | 273 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 20 2024 14:00 utc | 275 Re: Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 19:39 utc | 103
I’m sure the Indians would say “Big deal. This is just business and doesn’t make any difference to the war, Russia should just get serious and end the war and this won’t be an issue.” Posted by: Julian | Sep 20 2024 14:13 utc | 276 Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72 Posted by: snake | Sep 20 2024 14:46 utc | 277 Posted by: Escobar | Sep 20 2024 13:25 utc | 265 Posted by: Savonarole | Sep 20 2024 14:49 utc | 278 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2024 12:29 utc | 257 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2024 15:53 utc | 279 TG of Russell “TEXAS” Bentley, still maintained by his wife. Contains the latest news on the official investigation into his death, as above, but also other interesting news about related events and their circle of contacts, which included the recently departed “Goodwin”, of whom she speaks highly. Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2024 16:20 utc | 280 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2024 15:53 utc | 280 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 18:28 utc | 281 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 20 2024 13:05 utc | 262 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 18:35 utc | 282 @271 – anonymous | Sep 20 2024 13:48 utc | 271 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 18:40 utc | 283
Sorry,.are you insinuating MoA somehow ‘rubbished’ news that Tex was murdered by Russian servicemen? If so, get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. I’ll wait for your quotes showing ‘MoA’ did that..of course, I’m not putting it past the imbecile NAFO cope Brigade, but MoA did no such thing. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2024 19:10 utc | 284 Julian 277 – exactly, Indians are selling ammo and tanks to all willing buyers, but most of the good is being sold to the RF. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 20 2024 19:38 utc | 285 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 18:40 utc | 284 Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 20:18 utc | 286 Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 20:18 utc | 287 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 20:24 utc | 287 Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 20:24 utc | 288 Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 21:08 utc | 288 @248 “What can the US sell that the Arabs would need dollars for ? “Vaccines” ? F35 ? Freezable US Treasuries ?” Posted by: Yarpos | Sep 21 2024 0:19 utc | 289 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2024 19:10 utc | 285 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 21 2024 7:05 utc | 290 snake | Sep 20 2024 14:46 utc | 278 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 21 2024 7:38 utc | 291 Russia is clearly not equipped to deal with Ukraine once the western intelligence train is on full steam. It’s pretty pathetic, they seem to just assume after years of this that the war is localized to Ukraine. Not even the immediate borders on Ukraine. It’s this embarrassing level of incompetence or complete lack of proper air defense that makes me swallow previous assumptions about Russia. There is a rot of incompetence within the entire structure that would eat the country alive if they were ever facing anything more than a demoralized, fairly unmotivated, and handicapped enemy. This is nothing but completely embarrassing. Posted by: Silveradoz | Sep 21 2024 8:19 utc | 292 @spare_truth_01 | Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:58:00 GMT | 198
Sure guy, a “vertical plasma beam.” Because that’s exactly how nuclear weapons explode. If it was a nuke, even in remote Toropets, with the lowest yield of one kiloton, it would have killed about 300 people right away. You should think again about how nuclear weapons work. Posted by: James M. | Sep 21 2024 9:16 utc | 293 @snake | Fri, 20 Sep 2024 14:46:00 GMT | 278
Russia has the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) with an automatic trigger like NATO. But its members – Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Armenia are not a.) reliable and b.) militarily competent enough to stand against NATO. Posted by: James M. | Sep 21 2024 9:28 utc | 294 @Silveradoz | Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:19:00 GMT | 293
Oh no concern troll alert. I’m sure Putin and the Russian High Command are broken up over your embarrassment and your “revised” assumptions. I suggest a strongly worded letter to President Putin. I’m sure he’ll take all your concerns into consideration. Posted by: James M. | Sep 21 2024 9:30 utc | 295 Russia can’t stop Ukraine to use west weapon. What a waste of a war it has been for Russia, destroying its army, demography and economy for nothing. Posted by: Pulpe Fiction | Sep 21 2024 11:45 utc | 296 The Biden/admin “reversal” and suggested military intervention is all for show. Posted by: Saul Goode | Sep 22 2024 3:16 utc | 297 Putting it another way, re my post at 298… Posted by: Saul Goode | Sep 22 2024 3:36 utc | 298 |
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