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September 19, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-223
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https://kutv.com/news/local/camp-williams-training-leaves-salt-lake-valley-residents-asking-what-was-that-boom
Someone mentioned this, here’s official explanation fwiw
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 19 2024 19:34 utc | 101
NEW DELHI (Reuters) -Artillery shells sold by Indian arms makers have been diverted by European customers to Ukraine and New Delhi has not intervened to stop the trade despite protests from Moscow, according to 11 Indian and European government and defence industry officials, as well as a Reuters analysis of commercially available customs data.
no respect for Russia any more
Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 19:39 utc | 102
Did you two find a stack of old newspapers from the 1920s?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 19:34 utc | 101
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No. But I’ve seen The Cocoanuts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cocoanuts
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 19:42 utc | 103
Toropets was most likely hit by a B61-12 low yield nuclear bomb with decent ground penetrating capability dropped from a B2 or F35. With the modified tail kit, they are pretty accurate. They were delivered in bulk in 2023 to NATO bases. Russia protested knowing their higher likelihood of deployment. Proven right. Yield was probably dialed in relatively low for plausible deniability. ie – it wasn’t our bomb, it was your weapons. Since most of the fuel needed for the incendiary light show was stored in the bunkers, only a small blast was necessary to get it cooking off – which it did for at least 12 hours. Looking at the ground effects – amount and width of the dirt displaced 100 or more meters upward over at least a kilometer, other weapons are not likely. They don’t have that kind of blast signature. It was a message sent with a challenge. The fact of it being a military target provides cover in the case of (unlikely) residual evidence or (more likely) loose lips. Probably all kinds of high fives going around at Tonopah and Whiteman. UK and NATO were probably notified which explains their in your face attitude today acting like the usual coterie of nebbishes around bullies.
Posted by: AverageJoe | Sep 19 2024 19:46 utc | 104
Toropets was most likely hit by a B61-12 low yield nuclear bomb
Posted by: AverageJoe | Sep 19 2024 19:46 utc | 105
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Bullshit!
Any nuclear bomb will instantly raise the background radiation and set off alarms worldwide.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 19:54 utc | 105
no respect for Russia any more
Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 19:39 utc | 103
You never had any…
Posted by: NoName | Sep 19 2024 19:54 utc | 106
@ AverageJoe | Sep 19 2024 19:46 utc | 105
Sorry, but I call bullshit on this theory.
Posted by: NoName | Sep 19 2024 19:55 utc | 107
too scents @ 104
Most excellent reference, I was enthralled with the Marx Brothers as a kid – and of course, like Abbie Hoffman why I became a Marxist.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 19:58 utc | 108
anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 18:54 utc | 89–
That was from “Meeting on the development of the Armed Forces in the context of a special military operation”. Unfortunately, neither meeting allowed the meat of the discussions to be known to the public. The Special Technology Center’s photo shoot, which was visited by part of Team Putin before the meeting I cited, unfortunately didn’t feature any photos of special tech, although there was plenty to capture, nor was there any video. I’ll be combining the three into an article at my substack.
AverageJoe@105…..was listening to a fellow on his blog last week and as he’s ex air force he mentioned some active friends were talking about the fancy manoeuvres the F35s were flying off the coast of Scotland last week. F35s you say, hmm.
Cheers M
….short hop with a KC, there and back wouldn’t take long from Scotland to within few 100 miles of Russia….. especially if they are skimming the water…..fancy maneuvers and such.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 20:00 utc | 110
Ukrainians are super individualists and anarchocapitalists!
some days ago they ruined some factory in Kursk region, the chemicals it used flushed into Desna river.
like most other rivers in those latitudes, Desna is southbound, it goes from Russia to Ukraine
And all the poison goes down there too
and all the fish that massively died of it
happy ukrainians harvest it on the shores and do firesales of “fresh fish! only today!” to their peers
The nation that cares about Ukrainians the least is Ukrainians themselves…
Posted by: Arioch | Sep 19 2024 20:02 utc | 111
There will never be peace until power somehow is wrested away from the bankers who run the West and who exert substantial influence over the East as well. We hope BRICS will enable this process by supplanting the exploitative hegemonic system with a ‘polycentric’ one that respects other countries’ sovereignty and aspirations. (Barring catastrophic nuclear war.)
Posted by: norecovery | Sep 19 2024 20:07 utc | 112
Hot air balloons were once used as a deterrent to bombers.
Russian installations that maybe targeted by drones could be protected by anchored balloons with netting.
Just putting this out there.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2024 20:13 utc | 113
^^ too scents @ 104 / LightYearsFromHome @ 109
No. But I’ve seen The Cocoanuts.
I forgot to add, “You can even get stucco – Oh, how you can get stuck-o!”
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 20:14 utc | 114
Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 4
ColonelCassad (@boris_rozhin) and Kotsnews (@sashakots) have done their reputations considerable damage in the past couple of days by blandly lending themselves to the most egregious coverup of the deaths of UAV operators “Ernest” and “Goodwin”. The uproar is deafening, even louder than the scurrying of wretched “system” bloggers.
What follows is the smallest possible sample, rather than pretending this stuff isn’t happening it’d be more respectful to understand what is happening and who’s actually worthy of your respect.
https://t.me/delyagin/33685
(State Duma deputy Mikhail Delyagin)
Well, the results of the investigation obtained and made public in a uniquely short time frame exhaustively characterize a great deal – and many people.
Especially if you compare them with the famous dying video.
https://t.me/ghost_of_novorossia/26519
^^^^ Yes, Mikhail.
You know how to be sarcastic .
https://t.me/ghost_of_novorossia/26530
Well, what about it? Let’s start to analyze this lying post by journalist Kots and those who asked/obliged him.
Let’s start with this thesis:
✔️The regiment does not have units equipped with artillery or other long-range fire weapons, in whose interests it is necessary to conduct aerial reconnaissance using long-range UAVs. They were not given any tasks by the battalion or regiment command to conduct such reconnaissance.
Read this carefully.
Carefully.
Upd. Read it carefully. Now read this.
Oh, what kind of document is this?
Is this an order from the headquarters of the 87th separate regiment on reconnaissance in the direction specified by the headquarters using the Albatros-5M aircraft-type UAV?
So what does this mean, Alexander? Who is lying?
You? Or maybe the “investigative bodies” that asked you to comment on the situation hid this fact from you? Or maybe they themselves do not have these documents? Or were they not the investigative bodies?
Huh?
Everyone there has everything.
Well, you shouldn’t take people for complete fools, right.
What is stated in your text is not “interim results of the investigation.” The investigation is unlikely to have anything to do with this text.
This is a biased order to manipulate public opinion and put pressure on the investigation.
So who wrote this text for you? Eh, Alexander?
P.S. ” This is what the comprehensive investigation is currently operating on. Draw your own conclusions.”©Alexander Kots
“You can make mistakes, but you can’t lie”©Andrey Removich Belousov
https://t.me/philologist_zov/1434
I will repeat once again: the case of the Ernest and Goodwin team has revealed practically the entire layer of systemic problems inside and around our active army, including – along with the poor organization of combat work in all its manifestations, including false reports, bloody assaults and criminally non-core use of specialists – the subversive activities of enemy agents of influence, drug trafficking into the active army and the use of humanitarian aid for selfish interests.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 20:17 utc | 115
@ anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 20:17 utc | 116
Are you confused by the horror of war? Innocent people are cruelly destroyed by villains on both sides.
Everything is crushed to pass through the filter.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 20:25 utc | 116
Mary #45, your humor is great. Thumbs up. And the simultaneous earthquake of magnitude 2.8 has other causes, the collapse of a mine shaft. And the cloud like a nuclear explosion was really a firework display for the anniversary of the local volunteer fire department.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Sep 19 2024 20:30 utc | 117
What I see so far are just 3 things
1. AFU is being squeezed out of kursk
2. AFU is being squeezed out of donetsk
3. Trolls are being sent in droves to MOA
As for the toropets, let’s get a better view of what happened and what will happen
What we clearly see is that RF didn’t have any knee-jerk response.
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 19 2024 20:36 utc | 118
New satellite image from Toropets indicated that most of the buildings seemed to be intact, despite some charred marks.
There were also videos of trucks hauling weapon containers out of the area.
So how much of the stuff was actually destroyed is a question, but not everything.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 20:38 utc | 119
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 20:25 utc | 117
No, not confused at all, I’d never mistake one-sided rationalisation and selective attention, that’d have something completely different to say if the protagonists were reversed, for a worldly understanding of military affairs.
Are you confused?
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 20:42 utc | 120
Are you confused?
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 20:42 utc | 121
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I am searching for balance.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 20:45 utc | 121
As for the toropets, let’s get a better view of what happened and what will happen
What we clearly see is that RF didn’t have any knee-jerk response.
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 19 2024 20:36 utc | 119
The RF has as much reason to deny this as a nuclear event as much as the U.S./NATO do.
You will only ever hear the ‘official’ story. It’s noteworthy that even Russian Z channels are running with it being a drone strike so pressure may well be being applied in their direction to keep a lid on this.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:02 utc | 122
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:02 utc | 123
Well, let’s hypothetically say it was a nuclear device.
The reason they would want to keep a lid is because the Khmelnitsky weapon depot was hit with a similar device in 2023. The two explosions look exactly the same, plasma as hot as the sun falling from the mushroom.
Most likely both sides have very low yield and negligible radiation devices which might have been used. Tit-for-tat.
Will we see an accident in a Polish or British depot next?
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 21:06 utc | 123
The RF has as much reason to deny this as a nuclear event as much as the U.S./NATO do.
You will only ever hear the ‘official’ story. It’s noteworthy that even Russian Z channels are running with it being a drone strike so pressure may well be being applied in their direction to keep a lid on this.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:02 utc | 123
So, what makes you think it was a nuke? Dont forget it was an ammo dump, so the explosion was obviously big. Why droop a nuke on an ammo dump?
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2024 21:11 utc | 124
Videos of Khmelnitsky explosion. The Khmelnitsky seems to have been a bigger one. At the time the news were that DU ammunition for British tanks were stored there, causing them to go up in smoke and spread active particles.
https://x.com/peacemaket71/status/1783214968256565463
https://x.com/VictoryDay_Hope/status/1658143131768856577
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 21:14 utc | 125
Simplicius provides this link containing pre-war photos of the weapons depot. According to him these photos show that large amounts of ammunition are routinely stored in the open instead of within the concrete bunkers. Personally, I can’t decipher that fact from these photos. However, if outside open storage is still practiced that far from the front, it is possible the large explosions were caused by ignition of this ammo, rather than what is stored in the bunkers. That’s Simplicius’ suggested possibility….
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1836371959178838316
Posted by: mjh | Sep 19 2024 21:16 utc | 126
So, what makes you think it was a nuke? Dont forget it was an ammo dump, so the explosion was obviously big. Why droop a nuke on an ammo dump?
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2024 21:11 utc | 125
Plausible deniability – was it the nuke that caused the mass explosion or was it the weapons stored in the ammo dump?
As to why drop a nuke at all, simply to send a message to Russia that they are ready to play hardball.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:19 utc | 127
That’s the point: every single or collective human being is worshiping for a balance between the thinking.
The gods of the elements are feeding on our fear, aversion, hate, greed, hubris and pharisees.
But, all of us, are (how do you say?), virtud-signaling.
We are terrible: pharisees, the bunch of people who are the moral humans in the world.
There is a formulation around the humans being: take nor get the fuck off
Because the things are white or black. Do not think about differences because you are this or that.
And, if you don’t think right, we have multiplies things: food, weed, Cohol, whatever
My fucking goss!
IF Christ, an inexistent myth, had been real, all of us would be unable to recognize him.
Why?
Because we don’t have intelligence. Compassion.
Posted by: Alzeihmer | Sep 19 2024 21:20 utc | 128
As to why drop a nuke at all, simply to send a message to Russia that they are ready to play hardball.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:19 utc | 128
Yes, yes of course. To send a MESSAGE to the Russians you detonate a nuclear device INSIDE Russia. Sure, sure, that‘s just a message and not „playing hardball“.
(if you don‘t get it, that was sarcasm)
Posted by: NoName | Sep 19 2024 21:24 utc | 129
As to why drop a nuke at all, simply to send a message to Russia that they are ready to play hardball.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:19 utc | 128
I doubt that very, very much.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2024 21:25 utc | 130
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 20:45 utc | 122
You’re expressing a preference for filtering out the problems highlighted in the posts I quoted, which isn’t the half of it, in order create for yourself a more agreeable impression of event, which will inevitably be at the expense of understanding what is actually worthy, meritorious, beneficial.
It’s your choice but it isn’t balance your searching for and I don’t know why you’d even pretend that was the case.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 21:35 utc | 131
As to why drop a nuke at all, simply to send a message to Russia that they are ready to play hardball.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:19 utc | 128
Theyve probably had operatives casing the joint recently, looking at the weakest, most combustable points at the site, then fed the data back to Drone operatives back in ukraine.
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 19 2024 21:35 utc | 132
Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 58
Boris Johnson is as reliable as a compass, everything he says is a lie.
From that you can orient yourself to the situation of the Atlanticists.
If he wants to bend the rules (his lying cheating modus operandi) and admit all remaining Ukr territory into NATO, then we can deduct that Johnson and his ilk are worried about further loss of Ukr territory as the current situation grinds on. Notably this contradicts the Nafo trolls who pop up here everytime Ukr scores a headline grabbing PR stunt with little or no strategic effect.
Johnson believes that the Atlanticists are losing the proxy war format and have no chance if this continues. So he wants to tip the board up like the spoiled brat child he is, and escalate to a full NATO attack on Russia. Johnson still can’t win, as that NATO attack on Russia would mean nuclear annihilation.
Context from the Palestinian thread:
Israel along with its terrorist sponsors in the West are on a sharp decline. Time is on the side of the Axis of Resistance. That’s why there is such desperation to start a war, even if it leads to WWIII and a nuclear exchange.
Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 19 2024 15:07 utc |
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 21:36 utc | 133
@ anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 21:35 utc | 132
You keep selling to hard. Soften you pitch.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 21:42 utc | 134
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 21:36 utc | 134
To be honest, it was a quite plausible scenario since the very beginning that the west will simply flip the gameboard over when Ukraine is nearing the end of the line.
We saw a part of the American establishment begin the detachment process from Ukraine in July 2023, after it was obvious the AFU counter-offensive was a disaster. However, maybe the Nuland faction was still controlling things and kept the efforts up. The military establishment wanted out, to prepare for war with China.
Just today US officials said they are preparing to fight China in 2027. Remember that last year they said they will fight China in 2025. So the timetable has been pushed back at least two years during the SMO.
This delay is very possibly enough to guarantee the final sinking of the US-unlimited-money-printing-press-without-consequences ability.
This could further imply the reason as why they are now pushing war in Europe, is a use-it-or-lose-it-situation, when they lose the printing press abilities, they will have a much harder time controlling all the vassals. There is massive pressure boiling in many western EU states that could easily reduce US influence. So they want war before these medium-term negative adverse effects eat up their power to a point where they are no longer able.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 21:44 utc | 135
Arioch. 112 @20.02.
It is not just dead fish. The river is a major source of drinking water (for Kiev, downstream?) which is now contaminated at dangerous levels with manganese.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 21:55 utc | 136
unimperator@124…..what if a device or two were stored at the ammo depot……same effect?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 21:59 utc | 137
Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Sep 19 2024 18:44 utc | 86
We see a few strikes into Russia. Oil storage, this ammo dump ect. Strikes along the border that kill and injure some civilians.
We also see that Russian economy is booming, weapons systems re improving all the time, Officers that have been in hard combat moving up the ranks – essentially the Russian military becoming more and more combat hardened.
There are different issues here and there, some incompetence in places but also constant weeding out ect.
On the other side, Nato, The west…. Europe UK, people dropping into poverty,UK taking money for keeping pensioners warm in winter being taken to use in fighting Russia ect, Germany, Krup, Volkswagon – huge industries that employ thousands of people closing down, another anounced the other day it will likely soon close – apart from sanctions and energy costs in Europe, Chinese car makers taking the lead especially in EVs, and not just by a bees dick but out in front by a country mile. All this is hitting US car manufacturers as wel
A west the can no longer build anything, education standards very low, very few STEM students….
On the collapse of the west, the list is endless in the economic aspect, but then there is the social structure – the most very basic component of a society, the family, deliberately being destroyed by the insane. Parent one and parent two, Men only need to identify as a female to compete in women’s sports ect.
Madness when it comes to ‘climate change’ or climate change religion. Scam like carbon credits and carbon offsets – plenty of scams and many other things to greatly increase costs every where which of course effects the cost of living but little change to emissions the west produces. The only thing that ever reduced that was offshoring emissions – offshoring industry. Madness all round.
But we watch all this stuff and some ask “what is Russia waiting for?”.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 22:07 utc | 138
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 21:59 utc | 138
If there were nuclear devices stored, hitting them with a conventional weapon won’t trigger the devices to fission. Granted there could be widespread radiological contamination as the enriched uranium or plutonium inside the devices was dispersed by the conventional weapon. It’s simply the physics of how the nukes work, how to generate the uncontrolled, unmoderated fission that causes the nuclear explosion.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 22:17 utc | 139
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 21:59 utc | 138
If you believe nuclear warheads are stored in the open amongst other munitions at the not so well protected ammo depot then I have some manganese fortified fish that you might want to buy. Tasty, special offer today only.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 22:23 utc | 140
@Peter AU1 | Thu, 19 Sep 2024 22:07:00 GMT | 139
But we watch all this stuff and some ask “what is Russia waiting for?”.
Short attention spans, too much social media/Internet/instant gratification. They think war is a Marvel movie, it should be all wrapped up in two hours, and Russia should respond to every provocation.
As a great power war, or a war involving a great power, this one is still on the relatively short side. WWII was six years in Europe, fourteen in Asia. WWWI was four years. The Napoleonic wars were twenty. The Vietnam war was ten. The Korean war was three years.
I don’t know why some posters here are so impatient. Wars between near peer competitors tend to last at least a few years. But there is definitely movement on the front lines. Russia just needs to stay the course, and ignore the PR stunts.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 19 2024 22:23 utc | 141
Regarding the ‘open air storage’ photos from Toropets, I think those photos were marked as taken in 2010.
If you think Russia didn’t move on since then there might be a bridge for sale.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 22:26 utc | 142
@Night Tripper | Thu, 19 Sep 2024 21:02:00 GMT | 123
The RF has as much reason to deny this as a nuclear event as much as the U.S./NATO do.
You will only ever hear the ‘official’ story. It’s noteworthy that even Russian Z channels are running with it being a drone strike so pressure may well be being applied in their direction to keep a lid on this.
Stupidity writ large here. A nuclear weapon denotation can’t be hidden. There is massive fallout – radiation, heat, blast that cannot be covered up. Especially today, everyone has a camera phone, it would be all over the Internet. No, there was no nuclear weapon used, and no nuclear weapon was set off “accidentally” by the strike.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 19 2024 22:28 utc | 143
Most likely both sides have very low yield and negligible radiation devices which might have been used. Tit-for-tat.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 21:06 utc | 124
unimperator@124…..what if a device or two were stored at the ammo depot……same effect?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 21:59 utc | 138
No such thing as a nuke with negligible radiation.
Plutonium and uranium are pyrophoric dropping a bomb on a nuke would just blast radioactive oxides all over the place and contaminate the site. It wouldn’t result in a detonation.
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 19 2024 22:29 utc | 144
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 22:26 utc | 143
OK I’ll take the bridge. Do you accept payment in fish?
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 22:30 utc | 145
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 19 2024 22:29 utc | 145
Pleas don’t calculate how many square kilometres would be contaminated by radioactive oxides.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 22:34 utc | 146
Just another thought on ‘What is Russia waiting for” and ‘By not striking back, Russia is giving the west confidence to escalate’.
In everything Putin has sdaid, he believes war ist coming. Not just recently, but right back just after the start of the SMO he has been talking about Europe at some point attacking Russia directly. Russia has been preparing according. Ukraine proxy war war simply a testing ground, a training ground in preperation for the war against Nato. Both Putin and Russia have said the decision has already been made in Washington to use long range weapons for strikes into Russia.
Russia could easily trigger the coming war at any time – the revenge strikes many want, and I to would like to see them, will trigger the main war. But in the meantime, it is not Russia that is bleeding out – it is only growing stronger – it is the west that is bleeding out.
Like Russia chose the time and place to begin its pushback against the empire, Russia is now in the position of being able to choose the time and place of its main war with Nato.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 22:35 utc | 147
ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 58
BoJo: …Because we could extend the Article 5 security guarantee to all of the Ukrainian territory currently controlled by Ukraine.…
Arh. Ye olde invocation of the magical Article E incantation.
Article 5 … has anyone read it? It’s short. Just a few pars. Article 5, when stripped of its fairy tale gloss, actually reduces to “if a member is attacked, other members may (or may not) assist, and in a way that they determine themselves.
It’s not a “you smacked my kid brother, so now the whole family of brothers is gonna break every bone in your body”. Nothing like that.
@barfleas. Don’t believe me.?
Go look yourself.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 22:42 utc | 148
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 22:42 utc | 149
I can help out there, I have the link in my Bookmarks: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 22:52 utc | 149
This could one day save your life:
A visual representation of the smartphone’s unmasking factor and the Face ID function.
If the war starts, don’t use your smartphone! Snipers gonna get you.
“>https://t.me/myLordBebo/44715
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 22:56 utc | 150
Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 22:35 utc | 148–
What will be the new craft of the gunsmith now that UAVs are included in that profession? Contemplate after reading “Gunsmith’s Day Events,” https://karlof1.substack.com/p/gunsmiths-day-events
I know you have issues reading my articles. The point is Russia will have produced over one million drones by year end and aims to expand that much further. IMO, 5 million annually is possible by 2026. But what of the next types of machinery? That’s another issue that Russia discussed today with the cameras off after touring its state-of-the-art development center at St. Petersburg today. At the end of my article, I predict Russia will be the first to produce and field a combat droid similar to those seen on Star Wars. In some respects, it will be argued it already has, while what I envision is an autonomous droid soldier.
Most of the posts miss the mark… Even if only hand grenades had been stored in the depot, what matters is that the USA attacked Russian territory with a missile – and it was a missile! From A-Z an act of war by the USA… After 24 hours we have had no reaction from the Russian Federation to this declaration of war! And as I said today, there will be no reaction, because who would order such a reaction? The National Security Council won’t do it, the President of the Federation won’t do it, the Stavka won’t do it…Today was the day of truth, come to terms with it…Now I’m waiting for the first head of state who Kazan cancels
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 22:57 utc | 152
Germany plans to allocate 397 million euros in short-term additional military aid to Kiev.
Package includes:-
Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 46
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 19 2024 22:59 utc | 153
https://x.com/mona_fawaz/status/1836655105434665010
Mona Fawaz @mona_fawaz
Had the terrorist attack witnessed in Lebanon in the past 48hrs occurred in Europe, western media would be following victims, telling the story of a boy who lost an eye, a girl who lost her life… but these are only brown people, so they celebrate Israel’s ingenuity. Repulsive.
https://x.com/emanabdelhadi/status/1836099831653085634
Eman Abdelhadi @emanabdelhadi
Reading the NYTimes can restore your faith in God. Pagers explode without anyone detonating them. Bombs fall without anyone dropping them. Bullets pierce people without anyone shooting them. Subhanallah.
see video here:
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1836509086575399322
☀️👀 @zei_squirrel
as Norman Finkelstein said, Israel is a lunatic state, a crazed rabid freak incapable of reason. If you don’t deter it swiftly and decisively, it will merely keep going insane with its murderous rampage, as we saw again in Lebanon today
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 23:01 utc | 154
Wer es heute nicht begriffen hat, wird es nie begreifen: Die ganze Affaire ist ein übles abgekartetes Spiel, Millionen Russen beiderseits der Grenze Sterben, während sich die üblichen Verdächtigen eine weitere goldene Nase verdienen. Nebenbei werden wir in Deutschland vom Industriellen Powerhouse innerhalb von 10 Jahren zu einem Dritte Welt Land absteigen…Rust Belt 2.0!
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 23:01 utc | 155
Roll over iPhone and Samsung, let Huawei and Xiaomi take over:
Chinese factories are overwhelmed with orders from the Middle East!
Posts from Chinese social media, stating factories are running overnight shifts to accommodate huge orders of communication devices from the Middle East.
A requirement from clients, is that the whole manufacturing process must be done inside China.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:02 utc | 156
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 22:57 utc | 153
If Russia were not achieving incredible kill rates against Ukraine’s army and destroying all NATO long range fire support weapons in Ukraine and other stuff I would share your concern.
Since that is not the case, the ammo depot is just the latest shiny PR object the west can cope, grab and pin their hope on.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 23:04 utc | 157
#25
> Obviously. But why did russia think Ukraine is the Strongest member of the gang?
Which european army has more resources, soldiers, money, tanks, bmps, mnitions and planes than ukraine has received in the last 2 years?
Posted by: Mirko | Sep 19 2024 23:04 utc | 159
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 23:04 utc | 158
Russians are killing Russians…great achievment indeed!
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 23:07 utc | 160
karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 16:01 utc | 32
That is impressive. 140 x 10 = 1.4 million. Part of my previous comment for those that say ‘Russia should strike back’ – ‘What is Russia waiting for, its bleeding’ ect. Russia is growing stronger, preparing for the larger war, the West is bleeding, getting weaker.
Another factor is in Lavrov’s Hybrid war. There has been a thawing of Hindutva nationalist India towards China. Much better diplomatic relations Hopefully that will continue to improve to the point India is willing to settle the border dispute. That has come after India beganing drawing back from the US and moving toward Moscow. India I believe was a big factor in US war plans against China, hoping to kick of a border war there in conjunction with whatever they have planned for the Pacific front against China.
India attaining normalized relations with China would be a big factor in the emerging multi-polar world. Modi is something like Erdogan and we see Erdogan now heading toward BRICS.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 23:17 utc | 162
I just came across this article by Patrick Lawrence on UNZ dot com which you will find a good read:
https://www.unz.com/article/the-war-party-makes-its-plans/
Posted by: War is Hell | Sep 19 2024 23:22 utc | 163
Jake Blanchard | Sep 19 2024 22:59 utc | 154
Some weeks back I saw a snippet that Albanese had had an audience with the Kiev Kakistocrat. Can’t recall the location. But noted the Klown immediately put the bite on for *more* money and *more* Bushmasters.
I knew as soon as we gave the first 40 all those years ago, it wouldn’t stop till they’d conned the lot away.
Anyone got a recent scorecard on the AUD and equipment lost to Ukraine by now?
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@jake, I latterly replied to you in the Week in Review thread, but I think it got lost in the miasma of trollpoop (and a smattering of more important posts)
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 23:28 utc | 164
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 22:57 utc | 153
Why does it have to be a missile?
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 19 2024 23:32 utc | 165
Nuclear blast on Toropets Stratetic Weapon storage:
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 @564 @567 in previous UKR thread
Someone has an old CCD camera in Russia, pointed it DIRECTLY at the mushroom cloud and got Scintillation across that area. Notice how it’s a square? Good reason for that.
Not sure about nuclear. secondaries as seen in many ammo dump explosions following the main blast.
If these videos are not fake and show the Toropets Stratetic Weapon storage then its clearly a nuclear blast, either triggered by an external US/UK nuke or by an inside stored nuclear weapon.
The plasma stream Gamma radiation is here not shielded by anything and can radiate everywhere (unlike in case of the ‘nuclear chimney’ of 9/11 WTC-Towers’ elevators).
Gamma radioation effects & plasma stream: dbl-click on video in https://x.com/News2406/status/1836331768162439263
– Video 2 Water clouds above lakes ‘activated’ sec 5, shot sound sec 7, Plasma stream, sec 20-30
– Video 4 CCD Scintillation ‘- – -‘ sec 0-2
‘Something’ penetrated into the ground wall/roof and initiated the nuclear blast.
The plasma stream is vertically fired upwards and seems to be focused by some ‘hole’ in the bottom, so the nuclear blast took place somewhere from underground or below roofs.
Secondary explosions were triggered immediately after the main blast possibly by strong Gamma radiation.
Vaporized parts of the steel concrete and radio measurements will probally show the big desaster if the details of aftermath would be really published.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 21:19 utc | 128
Plausible deniability – was it the nuke that caused the mass explosion or was it the weapons stored in the ammo dump? ..
It was a nuclear explosion (see plasma stream in video-2 above, sec 20-30).
If the main blast was triggered by a Russian nuclear weapon placed ‘open air’ on ground then the plasma beam would not fire exactly in vertical direction.
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 19 2024 23:38 utc | 166
Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 23:17 utc | 163
…India I believe was a big factor in US war plans against China…
Yep. Haven’t heard much about The Quad recently. Japan India Australia and U$. That mighty military alliance seems to have sunk to the level of mediocrity it was destined to be.
Meanwhile, U$ militarisation of north-west Western Australia (actually the entirety of Western Australia) continues.
In fact, the creep continues into South Australia (with Adelaide wanting some of those glorious U$ $$$$$).
And of course, Darwin. It started with Gillard (during Obama’s 30minute visit), announcing 200 U$ troops to be located. Which immediately expanded to 2000 (because it’s just a comma adjustment), and then the U$ needed it’s own base … rather than being located with the Aussies.
On and on and on it goes.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 23:40 utc | 167
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 23:07 utc | 161
Ukrainians are not Russians anymore, in the sense the Russians don’t consider them brothers and most haven’t for long time.
This is a tragedy, but eventually, entire Ukraine will disappear as population scatters west and east. Those going to the west will light their anniversary toasts and candle marches for Bandera, albeit at that point we can doubt Europeans will look it through the finger after the utility of Ukraine fighting Russia ceases to exist. The Europeans will shout slava Ukraini only to the point where Ukrainians provide this utility.
Those who go east, to Russia, well, most of them will probably be decent.
Let’s hope as many surrender as possible, as that is the quickest path to end the damn thing.
Either way, it is a tragedy.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 23:42 utc | 168
Oh, I forgot to include one more article to my previous comment. This is from the Indian Punchline:
https://www.indianpunchline.com/ukraine-war-turns-into-russian-roulette/
Posted by: War is Hell | Sep 19 2024 23:44 utc | 169
spare_truth_01 | Sep 19 2024 23:38 utc | 167
I know the Russians are drunk, stupid, meatbricks, who steal washing machines to … power their shovels … or something.
But I doubt even drunk stupid IQ-70 Russians just leave their newks lying around willinilli above ground at ammo dumps.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 23:48 utc | 170
Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 23:17 utc | 163–
Thanks for your reply. I just finished watching the chat between Pepe and Judge Napolitano where some answers are provided only for more to be raised. It’s about 30-minutes long and excellent time spent, https://youtu.be/Y8I_yGb2DwQ
NATO’s War against Russia devised for 2030 is key.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 23:40 utc | 168
At least Australia is a massive country and far away from anything, including China which US intends targeting from Australia.
Unless it’s full nuke war, one can always hide in the massive Australian landmass from war. And the prospects of farming are pretty good.
Try any country in eastern Europe, it ain’t so.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 23:51 utc | 172
@spare_truth_01 | Thu, 19 Sep 2024 23:38:00 GMT | 167
It was a nuclear explosion (see plasma stream in video-2 above, sec 20-30).
If the main blast was triggered by a Russian nuclear weapon placed ‘open air’ on ground then the plasma beam would not fire exactly in vertical direction.
You watch or read too much science fiction. Nothing in those videos suggests a nuclear denotation, for the simple fact that those people taking the videos were not immediately vaporized.
And Russian nuclear weapons are not placed “open air”. They are not mixed with conventional weapons at all. Nuclear silos, where the ground-based nukes are kept, are hardened to the point that conventional cruise or ballistic missiles cannot easily destroy them.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 19 2024 23:52 utc | 173
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 23:04 utc | 158
To be clear, I am not a missile expert. But what you see in the footage and especially what you hear doesn’t leave much room for interpretation.
There was a similar huge explosion on the Ukrainian side last year, also with a black explosion cloud, mushroom-shaped. At that time Ch-47M2’s were used…
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 23:53 utc | 174
@Melaleuca | Thu, 19 Sep 2024 23:40:00 GMT | 168
Haven’t heard much about The Quad recently. Japan India Australia and U$. That mighty military alliance seems to have sunk to the level of mediocrity it was destined to be.
It’s been superseded by AUKUS. India has always paved its own path since Nehru, it doesn’t dance to Washington’s tune, and Japan has too much domestic opposition to the use of force.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 19 2024 23:56 utc | 175
And of course, Darwin. It started with Gillard (during Obama’s 30minute visit), announcing 200 U$ troops to be located. Which immediately expanded to 2000 (because it’s just a comma adjustment), and then the U$ needed it’s own base … rather than being located with the Aussies.
On and on and on it goes.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 19 2024 23:40 utc | 168
Yep. I also mark Gillards announcement as the starting point. No discussion in parliament, no warning to Australians whatsoever. Just the announcement of the done deal.
Rotations….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 19 2024 23:57 utc | 176
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 19 2024 23:32 utc | 166
To be clear, I am not a missile expert. But what you see in the footage and especially what you hear doesn’t leave much room for interpretation.
There was a similar huge explosion on the Ukrainian side last year, also with a black explosion cloud, mushroom-shaped. At that time Ch-47M2’s were used…
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 20 2024 0:01 utc | 177
If I have to read one more comment writing that the ammo storage explosion was a nuke I lose any and all faith in the commenters here.
How demented can you be.
1) nuke explosions invariably start with a massive photon emission e.g. light blast, which burns retinas
2) temperatures and pressure are WAY higher inside a nuke fireball than with explosives
3) radioactivity
If some state attacked Russia with a nuke, you can be sure that several NATO sites would already have ceased to exist.
It’s just a large amount of TNT going boom and producing a spectacular explosion.
Posted by: darkmoon | Sep 20 2024 0:01 utc | 178
@LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:02 utc | 157
Love it. Universals are allowed on particular threads ….
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2024 0:04 utc | 179
Read this for more info:
https://fas.org/publication/b61-12_earth-penetration/
Posted by: AverageJoe | Sep 20 2024 0:05 utc | 180
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 23:42 utc | 169
This is ridiculous…Half of Saint Petersburg has relatives in Ukraine in some form. Just because of a bankster and oligarch war nothing changes. That would almost be like the Ludendorff trap from 1917 that the Galicians were not Slavs…Don’t fall for that crap…
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 20 2024 0:09 utc | 181
Peter AU1 @ 163
Watch this, India isn’t going anywhere w/o China:
US companies are “friendshoring” from China to India. We are strengthening the BRICS bloc instead
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 0:10 utc | 182
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 19 2024 23:38 utc | 167
That’s lens glare. Also the bulk of gamma radiation is transient and doesn’t last very long. Certainly not as long as in the videos in your link.
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 0:11 utc | 183
Posted by: James M. | Sep 19 2024 23:52 utc | 174
You watch or read too much science fiction ..
No, not fiction, please take the time to read up on scintillation in CCDs, as can be seen in many of the on-site videos of 9/11 reporters.
Also, the people filming will not be vaporized by a mini-nuke at this distance, just as the reporters were not vaporized near the WTC buildings.
Radiation damage is likely, however.
A thermal image from above will still show something even after days…
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 0:13 utc | 184
LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 0:10 utc | 183–
I know this is the wrong thread for this item, but it’s quite important and relative to the item you linked, “Major shipbuilders detail plan on largest A-share merger deal”:
Zheng Ping, chief analyst at industry news portal chineseport.cn, told the Global Times on Thursday that the merger will reduce the number of state-owned shipyards to just one, making China’s shipbuilding industry bigger and stronger via the elimination of ineffective competition. There will still be plenty of private-sector shipyards.
“There will be less ineffective competition, and Chinese shipyards will have a more powerful voice on the global stage, putting China on a firmer footing with its global rivals in the sector,” Zheng said.
Awhile ago, I posted info that compared NATO shipbuilding versus BRICS which proved there’s no real comparison.
@spare_truth_01 | Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:13:00 GMT | 185
Also, the people filming will not be vaporized by a mini-nuke at this distance,
A mini-nuke really? The smallest yield any tactical nuclear weapon has is still a kiloton, it would still emit radiation, and the blast would be stronger than what was recorded. But what would be the point of detonating it? As others have pointed out, a nuclear weapon doesn’t detonate accidentally. Also, again Russia does not mix their nuclear weapons, even tactical ones, with conventional weapons, for obvious reasons.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 20 2024 0:26 utc | 186
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 20 2024 0:01 utc | 178
They probably had several million pounds of ordinance stacked out in the woods. Even google earth pictures show most of it was stacked out in the open or in warehouses with metal roofs. A missile isn’t required, these aren’t hardened targets. All large explosions produce mushroom clouds because of convection, that doesn’t indicate that the detonation was a nuclear one.
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 0:30 utc | 187
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 0:30 utc | 188
Not nuclear of course, I didn’t say that. Some kind of cruise missile…
Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 20 2024 0:37 utc | 188
Any nuclear blast including enhanced neutron stuff is going to leave a lot of people with obvious radiation poisoning and hospitals filled with horror stories.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 20 2024 0:37 utc | 189
darkmoon | Sep 20 2024 0:01 utc | 179
I’m about the same on that rubbish too but just scroll over the crap.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 0:40 utc | 190
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 0:11 utc | 184
That’s lens glare. Also the bulk of gamma radiation … doesn’t last very long ..
I don’t mean the lens effects (the violet ball) but the short horizontal stripes created by ionizing radiation.
Look on sec 0-2: See video-4 on second 0-2
Got that?
Also yes, the gamma radiation doesn’t last “very long”.
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 0:44 utc | 191
@Peter AU1 | Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:40:00 GMT | 191
It’s nonsense for sure, but sometimes you have to point it out for the dis or misinformation that it is. There’s enough fog in war, and too much heightened propaganda and trolling, to wade through. We don’t need this nonsense on top of it.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 20 2024 0:46 utc | 192
@spare_truth_01 | Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:44:00 GMT | 192
Go away idiot. You are completely wrong and are spreading false information.
Posted by: James M. | Sep 20 2024 0:47 utc | 193
Hot air balloons were once used as a deterrent to bombers.
Russian installations that maybe targeted by drones could be protected by anchored balloons with netting.
Just putting this out there.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2024 20:13 utc | 114
Good to know. Glad to see you too, Suresh. Peace!
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2024 0:48 utc | 194
LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2024 0:10 utc | 183
Thanks. US ‘diversifying’ away from China… 🙂
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 0:52 utc | 195
Lev Davidovich@141….was just a question Lev, I’m no nuclear bomb expert, but many here have it on their CV, and no they would never store nukes on the surface in the open silly, they’re in the shed behind the local pub….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 20 2024 0:58 utc | 196
Posted by: James M. | Sep 20 2024 0:26 utc | 187
.. As others have pointed out, a nuclear weapon doesn’t detonate accidentally. Also, again Russia does not mix their nuclear weapons, even tactical ones, with conventional weapons, for obvious reasons.
You misunderstood me.
I don’t rule out the possibility of an external US/UK mini-nuke. But you could think again about the ‘vertical plasma beam’.
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 0:58 utc | 197
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 0:44 utc | 192
The chain of most modern bombs is over in a few millisecond not two to 4 seconds. The video doesn’t even start until seconds after that stage was passed. They couldn’t possibly have a gamma artifact. I really don’t know what you are talking about.
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 1:01 utc | 198
Posted by: anonymous | Sep 20 2024 1:01 utc | 199
.. The video doesn’t even start until seconds after that stage was passed ..
Sorry. Okay I’m wrong, there is (now) no visual evidence of any “scintillation effects”.
Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Sep 20 2024 1:19 utc | 199
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2024 20:13 utc | 114
US calls them aerostats. Or tethered aerostats. Primarily used to self-surveil illegal US military outposts in the ME.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:19 utc | 200