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September 19, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-223
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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List of how members voted is behind link. Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1 Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:42 utc | 2 Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 3 Is anybody else not able to read the ColonelCassad’s Telegram channel for the past few days? It has just stopped updating suddenly for me… Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 4 @USA#1 Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:47 utc | 6 I am sure that the Russian Federation will know how to hit the EU warmonger nations VERY hard. Posted by: Engineer-John | Sep 19 2024 14:51 utc | 7 @too scents Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:53 utc | 8 Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1 Posted by: alek_a | Sep 19 2024 14:55 utc | 9 @alek_a Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 15:01 utc | 10 Although if you add the abstained, you get to 70-30%. Correct for the under representation, we are getting to maybe 65/60% of the political representation of EU peoples actively calling for longrange strikes at the moment. This is probably more realistic but still quite a scary prospect honestly. Posted by: alek_a | Sep 19 2024 15:02 utc | 11 The so-called European Parliament is a forum for wasters and gravy trainers. Posted by: Engineer-John | Sep 19 2024 15:05 utc | 12 Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 15:01 utc | 10 Posted by: alek_a | Sep 19 2024 15:06 utc | 13 Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:42 utc | 2 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 15:08 utc | 14 It seems that the “alternative” media is minimizing or dismissing what happened in Toropets. Posted by: cumino | Sep 19 2024 15:16 utc | 15
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/15891 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2024 15:17 utc | 16 What compensating impotence looks like. Britain, again.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24379 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 15:17 utc | 17 When you are being attacked by a gang, you should never pull your punches. You should never strike at the weakest members of the gang. Rather, you should find the strongest member of the gang that you can reach and hit them with everything you have. Go for an immediate kill. Your only chance when facing a psycho killer gang is to leave their strongest doing the terminal kibbie in front of them. Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:18 utc | 18 @alek_a Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 15:19 utc | 19 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:18 utc | 18 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 19 2024 15:24 utc | 20 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 15:08 utc | 14 Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 15:25 utc | 21 Sometimes the url of an article shows the editing process. Posted by: Passerby | Sep 19 2024 15:29 utc | 22 membrum mollis: Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:31 utc | 23 There go the neocons again, thinking they can win anything on the battlefield with air power alone. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 15:33 utc | 24 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:31 utc | 23 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 19 2024 15:38 utc | 25 The time has come to start hitting moscow…HARD… Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 26 Britain recycles obsolete Trenchard bomber doctrine for Ukraine Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 27 Most discreet way to get rid of Zelensky are to demand elections with monitors. They can withhold aid or money and insist on a vote. Sine the US/EU doesn’t do that, they are OK with him or don’t have the cojones to speak up and change things. Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 19 2024 15:46 utc | 28 Euroweenies, knob polishers for the American one-eyed Cyclops, vote to have themselves annihilated. And Britain chimes in and tells Poland, Ukraine, don’t worry we got your back. Posted by: kupkee | Sep 19 2024 15:46 utc | 29 Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 26 Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 15:53 utc | 30 Toothless impotent EU council vote can also be interpreted as they’re making progress in the moving through the stages of grief. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 15:58 utc | 31 Few are likely aware that Russia just conducted regional elections where I saw some surprising results such as Kursk Governor Alexey Smirnov’s reelection despite the Ukie incursion, or perhaps because of it and his work in reaction. The major point being Russian political support for its leadership isn’t just for Putin but extends nationally. And you’ll have noted the utter silence from BigLie Media over those elections.
10X 140,000 is over one million “unmanned vehicles of various types”–1,000,000+! It’s easy for EU parliament to declare a lot of stuff when they aren’t actually responsible for making it happen. Kinda like when the Queen of England giving a speech about all the “wonderful” things her government will do, even though she has no power to make it so. Posted by: Aaron | Sep 19 2024 16:03 utc | 33 The reason why Biden and his coterie backed down in panic over strikes into Russia is that they received information that Russian strike assets were being moved into position. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 16:04 utc | 34 Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1 Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2024 16:06 utc | 35 Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 16:04 utc | 34
… and pissing, don’t forget the uncontrollable pissing when they see their dollar-issuing master 😀 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 19 2024 16:09 utc | 36 Gruff, you’ve got a way with words that’s for sure! Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 19 2024 16:16 utc | 37 The EU parliament expensive clowns also voted to recognize Edmundo González as the Venezuelan president, does anyone remember Guaidó? Every time Guaidó was mentioned by the Spanish press his family name was followed by the cahchfrase “recognized by fifty countries”, where is he now? Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 38 Posted by: Aaron | Sep 19 2024 16:03 utc | 33 Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 39 This Zelensky “plan” is an exact copy of the old and failed British Trenchard theory of strategic bombing. Hugh Trenchard was known as the father of the British RAF (royal air force) and theorised back in the 1930’s that wars could be won by strategic bombing alone, to “demoralise” populations and turn them against their leaders. The Germans tried it, the allies also, and the U.S. in Vietnam and Korea, and it always failed. It is simply state genocide. This shows that the British haven’t repented of the failed and genocidal Trenchard doctrine and that Zelensky is their besotted disciple. Sad and disgraceful spectacle.
I don’t know that its minimizing. I’d say NAFO types..eg. CNN, NYT etc., you know, propagandists, are maximalizing the impact, as they are wont to do. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:20 utc | 41 MEP’s – vote to take Europe one step closer to war with Russia – I suspect many European citizens, will be very angry at these warmongering US stooges – that pass for MEP’s – bring back sane voices such as Clare Daly and Mick Wallace – before it too late. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 19 2024 16:21 utc | 42 Zelensky’s victory plan is straight out of MI6. You can see it on You Tube as suddenly, there is a tsunami of “Putin in Trouble” videos from all over the place and objective analysis is hard to find. I had to do a search to get to Dima, it was pushed out by the volume of propaganda. Just bomb Russia and the elite will overthrow Putin, yup, yup, yup. Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 19 2024 16:25 utc | 43 republicofscotland@1621 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:29 utc | 44 “It seems that the “alternative” media is minimizing or dismissing what happened in Toropets. Posted by: Mary | Sep 19 2024 16:30 utc | 45 Germany plans to allocate 397 million euros in short-term additional military aid to Kiev. Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 46 “It seems that the “alternative” media is minimizing or dismissing what happened in Toropets. Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:32 utc | 47 Posted by: Mary | Sep 19 2024 16:30 utc | 45 Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 16:32 utc | 48 I just read this, thoughts? Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 16:33 utc | 49 Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 46 Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:35 utc | 50 Paco@1617 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:36 utc | 51 canuck@40…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:36 utc | 52 Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 16:33 utc | 49 Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:40 utc | 53 It will be easy to tell if the strike on the ammo dump was significant. If the operation tempo of the Russian forces stops or slows. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:41 utc | 54 Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:40 utc | 53 Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 16:42 utc | 55 Karloff!@1601 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:44 utc | 56 (…) Rather, you should find the strongest member of the gang that you can reach and hit them with everything you have. Go for an immediate kill. Your only chance when facing a psycho killer gang is to leave their strongest doing the terminal kibbie in front of them.(…) Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 19 2024 16:45 utc | 57 Boris Johnson is pushing for Ukraine to join NATO immediately to protect most of the country and end delays. He criticizes the “escalation” argument and warns of the catastrophic consequences of a Ukrainian defeat for the Western world. Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 58 Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:35 utc | 50 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 59 Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 46 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 16:53 utc | 60 Is there a betting website for the war? Do we have anyone that will be able to accurately predict how long the Kursk People’s Republic will last, and not only predict but put his money/bitcoins/baseball cards/etc. on it? Posted by: AI_Revenger | Sep 19 2024 17:02 utc | 61 Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 16:33 utc | 49 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:08 utc | 62 The reason why Biden and his coterie backed down in panic over strikes into Russia is that they received information that Russian strike assets were being moved into position. Posted by: rk | Sep 19 2024 17:11 utc | 63 So wait….AI-Revenger, you actually forecast that Ukrainian troopies and NATO soldiers will be in Kursk for ONE year….?! Do I have that correct? Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 19 2024 17:39 utc | 64 regarding that eu parliament vote, one should never forget all those “decolonizing russia” meetings/panels/beaurocratic sittings they all had over the past few years. Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 19 2024 17:42 utc | 65 Don’t you understand. The voting in EP reflects the public opinion in Europe. I always said: The west shall escalate as it can escalate. Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:50 utc | 66 Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:50 utc | 66 Posted by: Mario | Sep 19 2024 17:53 utc | 67 Simplicius is just a Russian propagandist. Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:53 utc | 68 they highly likely think that now is their final chance to get those riches! Posted by: Oliver Krug | Sep 19 2024 17:54 utc | 69 Right Vargas, because anything anyone says that even slightly contradicts the narrative you are pushing is Russian propaganda. For the record Simplicius has decent sit-reps. Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 19 2024 17:58 utc | 70
The thing to understand about Britain is it lost it’s Empire with the close of WW2 but then neglected to read the memo. Every thing since then has been about about attempting to remain relevant, and if it means cheer leading more death and destruction then they have the politicians willing and able to don a frock and cheer. Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 19 2024 17:59 utc | 71 ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 58 canuck@40….
I’m assuming this is satire. If not, that is one epic wall of NAFO cope. /golfclap Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 18:14 utc | 74 Ever notice how all the pro-Russian accounts seem to be coming from those who live in the USA? Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2024 18:15 utc | 75 In a 17 March 2022 interview at Meer dot com with Marco Rizzo,(who was a member of EU Parliament at one time) (whose Democrazio Sovrana Populaire were the org who placed hundreds of billboards/posters in Italy this summer), he said “The intl situation is dramatically clear- on one side is an aggressive power which pulls its allies towards war to solve its own economic problems.” – (and ” On the other side the wide majority of nations and all the people which do not want war and have no interests in it.” ) Posted by: mjnews | Sep 19 2024 18:15 utc | 76
I would advise you to think long and hard before investing your entire net worth in anything, let alone something so dubious as the position of the battered conscripts clinging to life in Kursk. But you do you. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 18:17 utc | 77 @ Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72 Posted by: bored | Sep 19 2024 18:18 utc | 78 And all the destruction to property in the war can be rebuilt with American/NATO contractors for big bucks. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 19 2024 18:26 utc | 79 Most likely the west’s ability to continue warring purely through Ukrainians is rapidly dwindling, considering the difficulty of getting new conscripts in Ukraine, the massive burning of AFU vehicles and even homes of the conscripters. This is clearly evident by the attempt to get Poland, Estonia and Finland to attack. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 18:27 utc | 80 Is anybody else not able to read the ColonelCassad’s Telegram channel for the past few days? It has just stopped updating suddenly for me… Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 19 2024 18:27 utc | 81 Is anybody else not able to read the ColonelCassad’s Telegram channel for the past few days? It has just stopped updating suddenly for me…
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 19 2024 18:29 utc | 82 Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72 Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Sep 19 2024 18:32 utc | 83 Salt Like City Ut USA – live here- huge explosions 5-8 shaking the house – neighbors out, some word is that it Camp Williams. Posted by: Freaked out | Sep 19 2024 18:41 utc | 84 Russia anticipates NATO’s moves. Surely it is already determined that US admin / Pentagon have decided to grant permission to Zelensky regime to use long range weapons into Russia. Such is the nature of the beast. Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Sep 19 2024 18:44 utc | 85 Justpassinby @ 65
If Ukraine fails the Atlanticist Supernova collapses into a Black Hole and sucks the everything down into it. That’s why I’m pessimistic, they can’t possibly let it collapse, they’ll increase the energy pushing outwards, that’s what the escalation is, it’s planned but it’s also desperation. They’ll throw everything they have every dollar and euro they can print, every penny they can loot from the citizens of the Golden Billion and the RoW through their financialized scam machine, they’ll empty their arsenals down to the last bullet, and condemn the vast part Golden Billion to misery and death if they have to, but they will keep pushing outwards away from Ukraine collapsing into a singularity. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 18:47 utc | 86 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Sep 19 2024 18:44 utc | 86 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 18:53 utc | 87 Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 16:01 utc | 32
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 18:54 utc | 88 @88 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 18:55 utc | 89 82 – I get Colonel Cassad. One of his latest is film of a German Leopard tank burning in Kursk Oblast. History doesn’t repeat but sometimes it rhymes. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 19 2024 19:00 utc | 90 “The EU parliament expensive clowns also voted to recognize Edmundo González as the Venezuelan president, does anyone remember Guaidó? Every time Guaidó was mentioned by the Spanish press his family name was followed by the ca[t]chfrase “recognized by fifty countries”, where is he now?” Posted by: hispanidad | Sep 19 2024 19:01 utc | 91 Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Sep 19 2024 18:44 utc | 86– Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 38 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 19:06 utc | 93 Paco | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 38 Posted by: hispanidad | Sep 19 2024 19:11 utc | 94 According to the NY Times,“Miami has become such a destination for Brooklyn mobsters” and their ilk. Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 19:13 utc | 95 NATO war fighting abilities…
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 19:19 utc | 96 @97 link. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 19:20 utc | 97 Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh @ 86 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 19:29 utc | 98 @Freaked out | #85 Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 19:33 utc | 99 too scents @ 96 / hispanidad @ 95
Did you two find a stack of old newspapers from the 1920s? Miami has always been HQ of Jewish gangsters. In a too rapidly changing world, it’s good to see some enduring traditions. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 19:34 utc | 100 |
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