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September 19, 2024

Ukraine Open Thread 2024-223

News & views related to the war in Ukraine ...

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⚡️The European Parliament (https://t.me/otpervogolitsa/89767)adopted a resolution calling on EU countries to immediately lift all restrictions on Kiev's strikes deep into Russia.

425 deputies voted for, 131 voted against, and 63 abstained.

Laura Ru , Sep 19 at 14:15
https://t.me/LauraRuHK/9169

List of how members voted is behind link.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1

The EU Parliament is a costly good-for-nothing institution reserved for loser politicians that lost their incomes as sponges of the European taxpayer in their respective nations, but I see there are 131 of those sponges that at least had the intelligence to not vote for that silly anbd useless "resolutiuon". Lol, even the word resolution is funny, they don't have any power, they are less than decorative.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 3

Is anybody else not able to read the ColonelCassad’s Telegram channel for the past few days? It has just stopped updating suddenly for me…

Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 4

The time has come to start hitting moscow…HARD…

Posted by: USA #1 | Sep 19 2024 14:45 utc | 5

@USA#1

The bitch that you call mother will get hit hard.

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:47 utc | 6

I am sure that the Russian Federation will know how to hit the EU warmonger nations VERY hard.
It's time the vassal states of the US empire grew up (or shut up)

Posted by: Engineer-John | Sep 19 2024 14:51 utc | 7

@too scents

Nobody cares what the EU parliament says or wants.

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:53 utc | 8

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1

Hm I didnt expect such a big majority. They are also recently installed, thus post-SMO. I am not sure what is going on there.

Typically the EU parlaiment overrepresents progressives, centrists and the left because the right doesn't go out to vote for those elections that much. But this is a high majority.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 19 2024 14:55 utc | 9

@alek_a

"But this is a high majority."

Totally irrelevant. The EU Parliament has no powers whatsoever.

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 15:01 utc | 10

Although if you add the abstained, you get to 70-30%. Correct for the under representation, we are getting to maybe 65/60% of the political representation of EU peoples actively calling for longrange strikes at the moment. This is probably more realistic but still quite a scary prospect honestly.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 19 2024 15:02 utc | 11

The so-called European Parliament is a forum for wasters and gravy trainers.
It has no powers - It is costly window-dressing for the unelected European Commission.
Typical EU flag-waving bull-shitters.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Sep 19 2024 15:05 utc | 12

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 15:01 utc | 10

The Russian politics will take this seriously. There will probably be a reaction. No matter what the power of the parliament is, it makes it clear to the Russians that the EU-level political consensus is to strike with NATO-operated weapons on Russia, consequences be damned.

Posted by: alek_a | Sep 19 2024 15:06 utc | 13

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:42 utc | 2

The likelihood of avoiding war is very low at this point. All related to the upcoming Kazan conference and announcements, and desperation of crumbling Ukrainian army.

They can't be exposed so they will 'escalate'.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 15:08 utc | 14

It seems that the "alternative" media is minimizing or dismissing what happened in Toropets.

Posted by: cumino | Sep 19 2024 15:16 utc | 15

▪️The Verkhovna Rada adopted a resolution on renaming 328 settlements in Ukraine.
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/15891

Maybe they are in the wrong country?

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2024 15:17 utc | 16

What compensating impotence looks like. Britain, again.

Britain is currently the main actor in the escalation of our war. The United States is immersed in the electoral process. Trump's victory risks leading to a total revision of the strategy towards Russia and Ukraine. That is why the main player in the West today is London.

The invasion of the Kursk region, early attempts to land in Crimea, strikes deep into Russia are typical of the British, who always try to achieve military results through information and political methods. The situation at the front is more than sad for us. By the end of the year, we will reach a complete deadlock in Donbass. That is why the British decided to compensate for the failures by "transferring the war" to Russia for escalation.

Russia managed to continue the offensive without declaring mobilization, which is why Bankova is now looking for formats to transform the Kursk operation so that the Kremlin is forced to do so.

However, the current stage will not end there. We should expect strikes with Western weapons deep into the Russian Federation. The goal is to provoke protests and a collapse of Putin's ratings.

This is the final chord before the negotiating track. Next year, we should not expect new counter-offensives by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. There are no material, human or moral resources for this. Therefore, until the end of the year, the West will try to negotiate the most advantageous positions for itself. Who will receive the response for the strikes on Russia? Of course, we will. After all, it will not be Paris and London that will be struck...

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24379

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 15:17 utc | 17

When you are being attacked by a gang, you should never pull your punches. You should never strike at the weakest members of the gang. Rather, you should find the strongest member of the gang that you can reach and hit them with everything you have. Go for an immediate kill. Your only chance when facing a psycho killer gang is to leave their strongest doing the terminal kibbie in front of them.

Or you can bend over and present your ass to the gang and hope they are satisfied with that. Your choice.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:18 utc | 18

@alek_a

The EU Parliament does not represent the EU-level political consensus. The EU-level political consensus is represented by the European Council: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Council

I repeat: Nobody cares what the EU parliament says or wants.

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 15:19 utc | 19

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:18 utc | 18

Like russia did? Strike at Ukraine? Well done, 5D chess again :)

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 19 2024 15:24 utc | 20

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 15:08 utc | 14

If the Russian Federation wants to start a war with the USA, it needs someone to give the order. Who should that be on the Russian side??? It won't be Putin, it won't be Medvedev, it won't be Lavrov, it won't be Gerasimov... There's not much left. Kadyrov would probably do it, he's one of the few who hasn't been corrupted to his ears by the Americans. But I doubt he'll be let... I find it amazing that he's still alive anyway...

Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 15:25 utc | 21

Sometimes the url of an article shows the editing process.
The title of this bloomberg article is:
"Biden Must Let Zelenskiy Bomb Putin to the Negotiating Table"
while the url and the title of the web page is:
"Biden Should Let Zelenskiy Bomb Putin to the Negotiating Table"

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 19 2024 15:29 utc | 22

membrum mollis:

Like Russia didn’t do with the Ukraine.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:31 utc | 23

There go the neocons again, thinking they can win anything on the battlefield with air power alone.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 15:33 utc | 24

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:31 utc | 23

“Like Russia didn’t do with the Ukraine.”

Obviously. But why did russia think Ukraine is the Strongest member of the gang?
5D chess again, I bet.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Sep 19 2024 15:38 utc | 25

The time has come to start hitting moscow…HARD…

Posted by: USA #1 | Sep 19 2024 14:45 utc | 5
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If I were someone living in the USA, I would be very, very cautious about such slogans.
You don't have hypersonics yet, not to mention intercepting these missiles. Hypersonics can reach you from submarines in a few minutes, or if you're unlucky, only seconds.
YOU, your government, are constantly shouting to the world "IT WASN'T US" knowing full well that if something goes wrong in Europe, YOU in the USA will be affected! The Russians have weapons where two of them would be enough to make the ENTIRE USA uninhabitable.
NATO (USA), on the other hand, will never be able to make the huge Russian country uninhabitable, at least you won't get that many missiles into the air before you leave!
So be very, very careful with such arrogance, typical Americans by the way, you're slowly starting to believe in your blockbusters in the cinemas that America is saving the world..yes, you're so stupid that you need supermen in the cinemas and the worst thing is that you think you're supermen yourself, you idiots

Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 26

Britain recycles obsolete Trenchard bomber doctrine for Ukraine

In a recent interview Zelensky, in an oddly gruff and affectatious voice, announced his new brilliant plan for victory against Russia - basically just terrorist bombing of Russian civilians. A clear British signature on it. (He’s even talking like an effete Englishman now.)

This Zelensky “plan” is an exact copy of the old and failed British Trenchard theory of strategic bombing. Hugh Trenchard was known as the father of the British RAF (royal air force) and theorised back in the 1930’s that wars could be won by strategic bombing alone, to “demoralise” populations and turn them against their leaders. The Germans tried it, the allies also, and the U.S. in Vietnam and Korea, and it always failed. It is simply state genocide. This shows that the British haven’t repented of the failed and genocidal Trenchard doctrine and that Zelensky is their besotted disciple. Sad and disgraceful spectacle.

There was no moral difference between any of the armies in WW2, an illusion being destroyed by current events and unmaskings.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 27

Most discreet way to get rid of Zelensky are to demand elections with monitors. They can withhold aid or money and insist on a vote. Sine the US/EU doesn't do that, they are OK with him or don't have the cojones to speak up and change things.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 19 2024 15:46 utc | 28

Euroweenies, knob polishers for the American one-eyed Cyclops, vote to have themselves annihilated. And Britain chimes in and tells Poland, Ukraine, don't worry we got your back.
What dirty deeds will be executed by those who are too gutless to head to the front to achieve their dreams of slaughter.
Ratcheting the temperature to nuclear war is the clarifying sign that there is a small band of people who think they may survive to get out of their bunkers. And not be shot.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 19 2024 15:46 utc | 29

Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 26

Of course, the allies (Russian Federation, China, India, etc.) would have ALL the capabilities to make TABULA RASA finally with the Americans...But they need leaders who also WANT to use these opportunities. I don't see any such leaders on the Allied side...

Posted by: Larsbo | Sep 19 2024 15:53 utc | 30

Toothless impotent EU council vote can also be interpreted as they're making progress in the moving through the stages of grief.

They're past anger and denial, now into bargaining. "Maybe if we just cross our fingers and hope that our big brother in the US will bomb Moscow, we'll somehow pull a victory out of a defeat!"

Next up, acceptance that Ukraine is lost and they'll never be able to get it back.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 15:58 utc | 31

Few are likely aware that Russia just conducted regional elections where I saw some surprising results such as Kursk Governor Alexey Smirnov's reelection despite the Ukie incursion, or perhaps because of it and his work in reaction. The major point being Russian political support for its leadership isn't just for Putin but extends nationally. And you'll have noted the utter silence from BigLie Media over those elections.

Today, Putin visited the Special Technology Center in St. Petersburg which is an enterprise specializing in the production of unmanned aerial vehicles, EW and communication systems. In a later meeting celebrating Gunsmith's Day, "the Military-Industrial Commission on the development of special-purpose UAVs", wherein Putin said the following:

Many other organizations of the military-industrial complex are working in the same direction. whose products have also proven themselves well during the special military Operation. In total, about 140 thousand were delivered to the Armed Forces in 2023 unmanned vehicles of various types. This year, the production of drones It is planned to increase it several times, or to be more precise, almost 10 times. In addition, the line of unmanned systems is expanding and unmanned systems are being created Boats – we also looked at this today – robotic platforms multi-purpose application. At the same time, most of them will be sent to the troops, located on the line of contact. [My Emphasis]

10X 140,000 is over one million "unmanned vehicles of various types"--1,000,000+!

IMO, the trolls who frequent the bar need to be employed at AFV factories if NATO is to have any sort of chance in defeating Russia. I rather doubt NATO combined could ramp up its production to over one million units annually; and even if it did, Russia would probably be producing 5 million.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 16:01 utc | 32

It’s easy for EU parliament to declare a lot of stuff when they aren’t actually responsible for making it happen. Kinda like when the Queen of England giving a speech about all the “wonderful” things her government will do, even though she has no power to make it so.

Posted by: Aaron | Sep 19 2024 16:03 utc | 33

The reason why Biden and his coterie backed down in panic over strikes into Russia is that they received information that Russian strike assets were being moved into position.

Europe will not get that warning, it is already within range.

Additionally, all of Europe’s strike ability into Russia is dependent on US data and inputs; all Europe can do is throw croissants and empty beer bottles. The European Parliament is like a yappy dog on an (American) lead, barking furiously while hiding behind its owners legs.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 16:04 utc | 34

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 14:31 utc | 1

Meanwhile, the sly US hide behind them, secretly backing it but not prepared to walk the plank.

"Nothing to do with us" they'll say.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2024 16:06 utc | 35

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 16:04 utc | 34

The European Parliament is like a yappy dog on an (American) lead, barking furiously while hiding behind its owners legs.

... and pissing, don't forget the uncontrollable pissing when they see their dollar-issuing master :-D

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 19 2024 16:09 utc | 36

Gruff, you've got a way with words that's for sure!
It's quite accurate though: mammalian power politics in it's primal form.
I suspect that when the gloves finally come off, the SCO and various allies will have very little choice. They simply have to go all in and strike hard at various installations across the board. It seems more like a matter of survival than ever...either that or get slowly steamrolled.

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 19 2024 16:16 utc | 37

The EU parliament expensive clowns also voted to recognize Edmundo González as the Venezuelan president, does anyone remember Guaidó? Every time Guaidó was mentioned by the Spanish press his family name was followed by the cahchfrase “recognized by fifty countries”, where is he now?

He did his deed anyway, the Bank of England kept over a billion $ worth of Venezuelan gold since president Guaidó agreed and signed, once finished he was thrown away as a use condom. A parliament with seven hundred members that cost European tax payers a million € a piece, so they’ll raise their hand no matter what VonDerKorrupten and friends want. Does not look good at all here in Europe, I try to keep calm since basic food is covered by a small family plot, and the weather is fine so not a lot of electricity is needed, but the whole EU project looks doomed.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 38

Posted by: Aaron | Sep 19 2024 16:03 utc | 33

The EU may just be going along with what they know has been agreed at a higher level. No one is saying they are influencing the USA or Britain directly, its may just be that decisions have been made and their vote reflects this knowledge.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 39

This Zelensky “plan” is an exact copy of the old and failed British Trenchard theory of strategic bombing. Hugh Trenchard was known as the father of the British RAF (royal air force) and theorised back in the 1930’s that wars could be won by strategic bombing alone, to “demoralise” populations and turn them against their leaders. The Germans tried it, the allies also, and the U.S. in Vietnam and Korea, and it always failed. It is simply state genocide. This shows that the British haven’t repented of the failed and genocidal Trenchard doctrine and that Zelensky is their besotted disciple. Sad and disgraceful spectacle.

There was no moral difference between any of the armies in WW2, an illusion being destroyed by current events and unmaskings.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 27

Absolutely right.
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John Kenneth Galbreath an economist and Candian did a survey, financed from the American government, about how effective 'strategic bombing' was in Germany.

His report (1)declared not only was it not effective, it helped the enemy

Curtis LeMay , USAF head , buried Galbreath's report such that this insidious 'strategy' still groans on.

1. "A cloud over civilisation
This article is more than 20 years old JK Galbraith
Corporate power is the driving force behind US foreign policy - and the slaughter in Iraq
Thu 15 Jul 2004 00.03 BST

"At the end of the second world war, I was the director for overall effects of the United States strategic bombing survey - Usbus, as it was known. I led a large professional economic staff in assessment of the industrial and military effects of the bombing of Germany. The strategic bombing of German industry, transportation and cities, was gravely disappointing. Attacks on factories that made such seemingly crucial components as ball bearings, and even attacks on aircraft plants, were sadly useless. With plant and machinery relocation and more determined management, fighter aircraft production actually increased in early 1944 after major bombing. In the cities, the random cruelty and death inflicted from the sky had no appreciable effect on war production or the war." (2)

2.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/15/usa.iraq

Posted by: canuck | Sep 19 2024 16:18 utc | 40

It seems that the "alternative" media is minimizing or dismissing what happened in Toropets.

Posted by: cumino | Sep 19 2024 15:16 utc | 15

I don't know that its minimizing. I'd say NAFO types..eg. CNN, NYT etc., you know, propagandists, are maximalizing the impact, as they are wont to do.

It was an ammo dump strike, yet from the pictures I've seen the damage seemed limited to the outer buildings and perimeter. Certainly didn't vaporize the site, so my guess is they just hit whatever was outside waiting to get loaded onto trains or whatever.

Re: the European parliament, that collection of toothless whores is on par with any geriatric brothel in the world, truly world class. A touch more expensive though.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:20 utc | 41

MEP's - vote to take Europe one step closer to war with Russia - I suspect many European citizens, will be very angry at these warmongering US stooges - that pass for MEP's - bring back sane voices such as Clare Daly and Mick Wallace - before it too late.

"In a resolution, MEPs want EU countries to lift current restrictions hindering Ukraine from using Western weapons systems against legitimate military targets in Russia."

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20240913IPR23906/meps-ukraine-must-be-able-to-strike-legitimate-military-targets-in-russia

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 19 2024 16:21 utc | 42

Zelensky's victory plan is straight out of MI6. You can see it on You Tube as suddenly, there is a tsunami of "Putin in Trouble" videos from all over the place and objective analysis is hard to find. I had to do a search to get to Dima, it was pushed out by the volume of propaganda. Just bomb Russia and the elite will overthrow Putin, yup, yup, yup.

The stupidist aspect is Burns (CIA) and others telling oligarchs to overthrow Putin. As if a bunch of guys get together and say, 'who's with me?' and 'let's trust the US this once' (stay away from open windows). And this is the theme they're building.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 19 2024 16:25 utc | 43

republicofscotland@1621

As you likely know, most of those MEP commissioners are some combination of bribery, blackmailed and terminally deluded. However, that Polish guy who used a fire-extinguisher on a lit Menorah is not about to be subject to any of those "persuasions".

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:29 utc | 44

"It seems that the "alternative" media is minimizing or dismissing what happened in Toropets.

Posted by: cumino | Sep 19 2024 15:16 utc | 15"

What happened at Toropets was slightly more than a nothingburger. Offices & warehouse damaged. The real valuables safe & secure, well below ground.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 19 2024 16:30 utc | 45

Germany plans to allocate 397 million euros in short-term additional military aid to Kiev.

Package includes:-

22 Leopard 1A5 tanks.

03 Gepard self-propelled air defense systems and many many drones.

Spare parts for tanks.

61,000 155mm artillery rounds.

22 MRAP vehicles.

5 multipurpose tracked all-terrain vehicles.

30 Vector drones.

20 RQ-35 Heidrun drones.

12 Songbird drones.

20 sea drones.

6 Hornet XR drones.

2 Biber bridge laying vehicles.

6 Wisent 1 armored mine clearing vehicles.

1 Dachs engineering tank.

1 tractor-trailer.

2 TRML-4D air surveillance radars.

16 ground radars.

2 helicopter protection systems

2 border vehicles.

112 trucks.

8 Zetros refueling vehicles.

10 MG3 machine guns.

1 million rounds for hand-held weapons.

12 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled artillery units.

This won't change the situation on the ground but rather prolong the conflict and the pain for the people in Germany.

Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 46

"It seems that the "alternative" media is minimizing or dismissing what happened in Toropets.

Posted by: cumino | Sep 19 2024 15:16 utc | 15"

What happened at Toropets was slightly more than a nothingburger. Offices & warehouse damaged. The real valuables safe & secure, well below ground.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 19 2024 16:30 utc | 45
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First, the so-called 107th GRAU Arsenal is a predominantly Soviet arsenal that has been modernized in recent years and expanded to include new concrete bunkers for storing weapons for the Western Military District.
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Starting in 2018, under the leadership of Deputy Defense Minister Dmitry Bulgakov, work began on modernizing the complex. He added a large new section of modern concrete bunkers and made grand claims that the complex was the safest in the world and could withstand nuclear strikes and the standard song.
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Bulgakov explained that an arsenal is an area equipped with concrete storage facilities where missiles, ammunition and explosives can be stored under the conditions prescribed for them. “It provides them with reliable and safe storage, protecting them from air and missile attacks and even from the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion,” Bulgakov stressed.
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In fact, satellite photos had previously shown large quantities of ammunition stored “in the open” at the arsenal.
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https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/ukraine-strikes-russias-107th-arsenal?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1351274&post_id=149018509&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=3gd4ql&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:32 utc | 47

Posted by: Mary | Sep 19 2024 16:30 utc | 45

the real cocncern is what kind of weapon was used

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 16:32 utc | 48

I just read this, thoughts?

Ukraine Strikes Russia’s 107th Arsenal: Crippling Blow or PR Nothingburger?
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/ukraine-strikes-russias-107th-arsenal

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 16:33 utc | 49

Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 46

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The MAN tractor units are in Austria!
And they have been there for about 6 months and are still there at the moment

Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:35 utc | 50

Paco@1617

Thanks for the inside insights. Yeah, if the Shit Hits the Fan, country folk who have their own water wells and gardens are those most likely to survive the "depopulation" schemes of the Rottenfeller sponsored Club of Rome and now loudly bandied about by the fortunately late Heinrich Kissinger's tool, Klaus $chwabenstein. Herr Kissinger, by the way, was the #1 minion of that Rottenfeller Crime Clan and lived to age 100 as a dwarf surviving on injections of Adrenochrome....most probably.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:36 utc | 51

canuck@40....

John Kenneth Galbreath. He was responsible for figuring out how many calories of food would be required by labourers supporting the war effort to keep them alive at the bare minimum, the rest of the food, the bulk, the best, went to support the war effort abroad....err, England.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:36 utc | 52

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 16:33 utc | 49
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Nonsense "devastating blow"
There were clearly too many weapons stored above ground... and this depot is 56 hectares in size and there were explosions in about a quarter of it! So admittedly disgraceful but a lot of fuss about nothing. The depot dates back to Soviet times and contains a lot of old ammunition that was actually scrap.

Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:40 utc | 53

It will be easy to tell if the strike on the ammo dump was significant. If the operation tempo of the Russian forces stops or slows.

Of course it won't, because not only was this not a particularly devastating strike, but Russia has innumerable depots and a exponential advantage in production. This, like Kursk and all the other idiocy abiut this bomber or that being downed, is window dressing for a Western audience who are getting angsty about the war.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:41 utc | 54

Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:40 utc | 53

its far from a devastating blow - in isolation. What was the missile used though? It was at a minimum some kind of cruise missile.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 19 2024 16:42 utc | 55

Karloff!@1601

The RU is hardly alone in girding their loins and stiffening their spines. After the latest outrage in Lebanon, the entire Axis of Resistance is doing so as well.

Meanwhile, those powers which were are becoming nervous and desperate...perhaps to the point of creating yet another iteration of "Remember the Maine"; "Remember the Lusitania"; "Remember Pearl Harbor"; "Remember Tonkin Gulf"; "Remember the 911 In$ide Job; "Remember 'Weapons of Mass Distraction"...along with short memories on the part of the terminally deluded boobtoob noose addicts.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:44 utc | 56

(…) Rather, you should find the strongest member of the gang that you can reach and hit them with everything you have. Go for an immediate kill. Your only chance when facing a psycho killer gang is to leave their strongest doing the terminal kibbie in front of them.(…)

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 15:18 utc | 18

Let’s go Corn Pop…you and me…mano a mano!

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 19 2024 16:45 utc | 57

Boris Johnson is pushing for Ukraine to join NATO immediately to protect most of the country and end delays. He criticizes the "escalation" argument and warns of the catastrophic consequences of a Ukrainian defeat for the Western world.
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"We must admit Ukraine into NATO immediately, I stress - immediately. There is a way to do this. We could invite Ukraine to join the organization before the end of the war. Because we could extend the Article 5 security guarantee to all of the Ukrainian territory currently controlled by Ukraine. At the same time, the absolute right of the Ukrainians to their entire 1991 state territory would have to be reaffirmed."
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My comment:
A warmonger who is convinced of his own courage, but does not grant this courage to his opponents and does not even believe it is possible.

But England as a whole has been a warmonger for decades, if not centuries.

Only some of his ancestors did not have the IQ of a bucket of water like HIM.
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Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 58

Posted by: ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:35 utc | 50

Has the flooding in Austria started to drain away yet? I saw that several rail routes had been closed after being damaged, which might cause delays in moving military trains.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 59

Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 46

Needing to announce every 'package' of a bunch of tank spare parts, a few bridge laying and mine clearing machines and pasta noodle packages is a method of hiding the fact that little else exist.

The announcements themselves do not include at what timeframe they are delivered, it's possible that stuff was delivered weeks ago, and announced now. Or maybe they will be delivered within 2, or 3 months.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 16:53 utc | 60

Is there a betting website for the war? Do we have anyone that will be able to accurately predict how long the Kursk People's Republic will last, and not only predict but put his money/bitcoins/baseball cards/etc. on it?

My prediction is at least a year, and I'd put $100.

Posted by: AI_Revenger | Sep 19 2024 17:02 utc | 61

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 16:33 utc | 49

Most of the "analysis" is behind a paywall. Any barflies with a subscription care to give us a brief?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:08 utc | 62

The reason why Biden and his coterie backed down in panic over strikes into Russia is that they received information that Russian strike assets were being moved into position.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 16:04 utc | 34

The current training on the oceans which uses simulated missile launches? And you don't know if Biden did back down. After previous failures with their "fantastic" weapons, Nato may shoot first and only if they hit something big announce Zeli did it. How do you know that big ammo depot wasn't targeted by long range missiles already? I did not look like a part of a falling drone could do that, as the official story says. And what will prevent strikes next month, next year or in ten years? Surely not the sad smo.

Posted by: rk | Sep 19 2024 17:11 utc | 63

So wait....AI-Revenger, you actually forecast that Ukrainian troopies and NATO soldiers will be in Kursk for ONE year....?! Do I have that correct?

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 19 2024 17:39 utc | 64

regarding that eu parliament vote, one should never forget all those "decolonizing russia" meetings/panels/beaurocratic sittings they all had over the past few years.

one of the key elements in all of those discussions was always to put russias ressources under eu supervision. they explicitly said that the people in russia should be "free from the moscow regime" and make their own countries (balkanization 2.0), but that key aspect of russias wealth must be under eu authority.

now keep in mind the geopolitical situation. the eu is not particulary rich in resources. they now have to pay premium on many things that they used to get on the cheap. their geopolitical competitors are on the rise, while they themself are going down the drain.

they highly likely think that now is their final chance to get those riches! if ukraine fails, they can no longer pretend to be not a party to the conflict. not only would they have to pay back all that "frozen money" from russia, but the geopolitical situation wont get better for them. even the possibility of going to war themself may backfire completely.

they are scared shitless so to speak. zugzwang.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 19 2024 17:42 utc | 65

Don't you understand. The voting in EP reflects the public opinion in Europe. I always said: The west shall escalate as it can escalate.
Europe loves this war. It is a war of elites and common people. They hope they can destroy and eventually plunder Russia.

They think that Russia would never dare to retaliate even if hit with n. weapons.
They know that Putin is a weak old man.
They know that most of Russians respect and adore (fictive and not existent) European culture.
They think that Russians wont dare to hit London as they dream about shopping in London.
They think that Russians wont dare to hit Paris as they dream about shopping in Paris.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:50 utc | 66

Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:50 utc | 66

Public opinion expecially in western Europe is anti war.

Maybe the Baltics and the poles but not many more.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 19 2024 17:53 utc | 67

Simplicius is just a Russian propagandist.
His strategy is to cover "bad" news with "good" news.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:53 utc | 68

they highly likely think that now is their final chance to get those riches!

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 19 2024 17:42 utc | 65

So with such ideas you vastly overestimate the rabble in Brussels. They are gnomes in the front yard of rich US Jews - and they are quite happy with that.


Posted by: Oliver Krug | Sep 19 2024 17:54 utc | 69

Right Vargas, because anything anyone says that even slightly contradicts the narrative you are pushing is Russian propaganda. For the record Simplicius has decent sit-reps.

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 19 2024 17:58 utc | 70

What compensating impotence looks like. Britain, again.

Britain is currently the main actor in the escalation of our war. The United States is immersed in the electoral process. Trump's victory risks leading to a total revision of the strategy towards Russia and Ukraine. That is why the main player in the West today is London ...

https://t.me/rezident_ua/24379

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 15:17 utc | 17

The thing to understand about Britain is it lost it's Empire with the close of WW2 but then neglected to read the memo. Every thing since then has been about about attempting to remain relevant, and if it means cheer leading more death and destruction then they have the politicians willing and able to don a frock and cheer.

I read an article earlier today about the lowering of pesticide levels in food. The important thing to note is they leveled down to US standards even where previous standards were much higher at European Union levels. Why? To open the markets to US corporations. Always for the great and the good and never for its own people.

CitizenSmith's comment (@ Sep 19 2024 16:04 utc | 34) referring to the EU could also accurately be said about the UK. "... like a yappy dog on an (American) lead, barking furiously while hiding behind its owners legs ..."

So it is with the war mongering aggression toward Russia, simply because it pleases the holders of the lead.

As time goes by Britain sinks further into irrelevance. Forever recalling past glories to bolster the ego, and not paying attention to the ever quickening circular descent down the plughole of history.

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 19 2024 17:59 utc | 71

ossi | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 58

Johnson was responsible for the UK Banks making a £250 billion "loan" to Ukraine, that Zelensky has now defaulted on ..... stopped paying for.

If The Uk does not get it's hands on the minerals etc. in Ukraine, then the UK banking system is bankrupt.
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I think that the "EU" has sent about €160 billion to help Ukraine as well, but the "origins" of this money are not clear (at least to me). VdL wants to send another €60 Billion. As she is corrupt (and an earlier investigation into her corruption has disappeared). I reckon she possibly gets a kick-back from Zelensky.

How many other EU countries are not seeing the financial results they calculated on as collateral, that they have based taking loans out on?

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72

canuck@40....

John Kenneth Galbreath. He was responsible for figuring out how many calories of food would be required by labourers supporting the war effort to keep them alive at the bare minimum, the rest of the food, the bulk, the best, went to support the war effort abroad....err, England.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:36 utc | 52

Well in WW2 , especially when the German U boats were in their prime (1941-2?)and Europe under control of the Nazis-quintessentially, England was under siege- it would be prudent to get a genius like Galbraith to figure out the calories.

Also, because of this concern thre US built so many high-fructose corn plants as that was the cheapest method supplying food to the Serfs in the US.

Unfortunately, those fucking poisons, along with seed oils have led the US to a pandemic of obesity, diabetes, Alzheimer (essentially Type 3 diabetes) heart problems and metabolic dysfunction.

A few years ago a contact of mind had a health product -so he went to all the plants to do his food brand-he couldn't get it done-every single big plan was made for High-fructose corn syrup and they couldn't do it

Anyways, I parted the deal at that time, he started to built his plant and with the regulations, permits, construction delays and other bureaucratic bullshit , the poor guy had a heart attack.

His wife, handsome woman, and smart as a whip; she took over while he was recovering and got it done.

They are successful today-but he's pissed I bailed (i really hate construction deals not one I was ever involved in never got done on time or on budget)-the wife ia fine about it-I gave her my tiny piece of equity, she's the real businessperson in the family

He had to build his

Posted by: canuck | Sep 19 2024 18:02 utc | 73

Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72

I'm assuming this is satire. If not, that is one epic wall of NAFO cope. /golfclap

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 18:14 utc | 74

Ever notice how all the pro-Russian accounts seem to be coming from those who live in the USA?

Russia is on the brink of collapse.

Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72

Stop talking fuckin shite! I know, watch and listen to Several Romanian accounts, German accounts, Thai, many English accounts, aussie accounts and more. Youre full of BS!

As for Russia being on the bring of collapse? Where the fuck do you get that from? Boris Johnson? What a load of bollox! Dont get me angry!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 19 2024 18:15 utc | 75

In a 17 March 2022 interview at Meer dot com with Marco Rizzo,(who was a member of EU Parliament at one time) (whose Democrazio Sovrana Populaire were the org who placed hundreds of billboards/posters in Italy this summer), he said "The intl situation is dramatically clear- on one side is an aggressive power which pulls its allies towards war to solve its own economic problems." - (and " On the other side the wide majority of nations and all the people which do not want war and have no interests in it." )

Well - just to remind, as we try form coherent solutions! Is this the biggest harbringer of the hostilities? Yes, sure,, - there is a latent abiding agressive Power! And like William Gruff comments, find the toughest opponent, deal with them !-- The objective of the agressive power is to gain by any means the monetary value certainly that is intrinsic to the generating of state wealth.. I know this is basic - but we have to identify: what is the basis for this activity (war)? And canuck always says, its "the City" -(does it include 12 families that dominate financial world? Are they the ones who govern ?) May we stay strong enough to continue share truth of matters - the regular news incredibly lacks any detailed analysis-was no criticism of the attacks in Lebanon -indiscriminately distribute hidden explosive devices ! Much is continuing to absolutely be concealed purposefully.

Posted by: mjnews | Sep 19 2024 18:15 utc | 76

My prediction is at least a year, and I'd put $100.

Posted by: AI_Revenger | Sep 19 2024 17:02 utc | 61

I would advise you to think long and hard before investing your entire net worth in anything, let alone something so dubious as the position of the battered conscripts clinging to life in Kursk. But you do you.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 18:17 utc | 77

@ Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72
Yup. The Neo Cons and globalists are salivating. They gambled and won big time. They know Russia can't hold on much longer and they see its BRICS "allies" are also paper tigers. The dead Ukrainians mean nothing. And all the destruction to property in the war can be rebuilt with American/NATO contractors for big bucks.

Posted by: bored | Sep 19 2024 18:18 utc | 78

And all the destruction to property in the war can be rebuilt with American/NATO contractors for big bucks.

Posted by: bored | Sep 19 2024 18:18 utc | 79

Au Contraire dear Bored. If you look at the rebuilding of liberated Mariupol, one sees clearly that Russian companies are heavily involved in its impressive rebuild. And, just keep in mind, theres 13 trillion worth of resources under the ground in Donbas. Its a win-win for Moscow, I say!

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 19 2024 18:26 utc | 79

Most likely the west's ability to continue warring purely through Ukrainians is rapidly dwindling, considering the difficulty of getting new conscripts in Ukraine, the massive burning of AFU vehicles and even homes of the conscripters. This is clearly evident by the attempt to get Poland, Estonia and Finland to attack.

If Ukraine is winning and could last long, there would be no need arrange the circus now ongoing. Ukraine will soon be without population, and Zelensky/Ukraine be a footnote in the six o'clock news.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 18:27 utc | 80

Is anybody else not able to read the ColonelCassad’s Telegram channel for the past few days? It has just stopped updating suddenly for me…

Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 4

It's working for me.

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 19 2024 18:27 utc | 81

Is anybody else not able to read the ColonelCassad’s Telegram channel for the past few days? It has just stopped updating suddenly for me…

Posted by: PlatoIAmNot | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 4

Here's a recent update on his channel

Advancement of the Russian Armed Forces in Makeyevka (Svatovo-Kupyanskoye direction). The liberation of the settlement is getting closer.

Insert https://t.me/geromanat/34938

Also today there are advances in the Gulyaipole area, in Dzerzhinsk, in the Grodovka area and in the Kursk region.

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 19 2024 18:29 utc | 82

Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 19 2024 18:00 utc | 72

Haha. I see you're a victim of western operatives lol. Theyve just about got everything wrong so far. Russians with "spades", Russian stealing chips out of washing machines, a maydan type coup in Moscow, Russias economy. The west seriously MISCALCULATED on evefry level. And it seems theyre about to miscalculate again!

Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Sep 19 2024 18:32 utc | 83

Salt Like City Ut USA - live here- huge explosions 5-8 shaking the house - neighbors out, some word is that it Camp Williams.
Know nothing beyond that - am shaking though😳

Posted by: Freaked out | Sep 19 2024 18:41 utc | 84

Russia anticipates NATO's moves. Surely it is already determined that US admin / Pentagon have decided to grant permission to Zelensky regime to use long range weapons into Russia. Such is the nature of the beast.

I am reasoning this as best I can, trying to be impartial. Although I believe Russia will prevail. Indeed the MUST prevail.

Given the repeated provocations by NATO, it is clear that Russian deterrence is questionable. Deterrence in this case, would be enough reticence of the enemy to act for fear of response of unacceptable cost. Attacks into Russia are now more frequent. Even an invasion which has still not yet been fully neutralized. The latest attack on a cache of Iskander missiles in a hardened facility, indicates to me an attack of missile(s), and not drone. Which would be a direct in-your-face to Russian deterrence.

So why doesn't Russia respond decisively, and reestablish effective deterrence? And I don't think it's a good enough expanation to say 'Russia keeps chugging along, slowly, assuredly taking Ukraine field by field, teracon by teracon. So shut up, its working'. Yes RF makes steady progress. Yes attrition is massive. Meanwhile Russia mainland gets hit and invaded, by NATO (by proxy but still by NATO sort of).

Thoughts -

Could Russia indeed be close to its limits in the ability to go to full war with NATO? Not just from a personnel resources perspective, but from an economic perspective?

Am I mistaken in thinking that Russia cannot fully rely on allies such as China and Iran to be fully involved in military support, not in the same sense as NATO members according to Article5.

Just asking. I do believe Russia will prevail.

Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Sep 19 2024 18:44 utc | 85

Justpassinby @ 65

if ukraine fails, they can no longer pretend to be not a party to the conflict. not only would they have to pay back all that "frozen money" from russia, but the geopolitical situation wont get better for them. even the possibility of going to war themself may backfire completely.

If Ukraine fails the Atlanticist Supernova collapses into a Black Hole and sucks the everything down into it. That's why I'm pessimistic, they can't possibly let it collapse, they'll increase the energy pushing outwards, that's what the escalation is, it's planned but it's also desperation. They'll throw everything they have every dollar and euro they can print, every penny they can loot from the citizens of the Golden Billion and the RoW through their financialized scam machine, they'll empty their arsenals down to the last bullet, and condemn the vast part Golden Billion to misery and death if they have to, but they will keep pushing outwards away from Ukraine collapsing into a singularity.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 18:47 utc | 86

Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Sep 19 2024 18:44 utc | 86

You raise valid points. All of them may have some truth albeit no truth.

Obviously they would like to keep the war contained in Ukraine. They can deal with whatever Nato throws in Ukraine. Obviously expanding war requires more people, men, logistics and planning. Currently the resources are enough to deal with Nato in Ukraine. Then the economic aspect, rather not disturbing the rest of economy/workforce.

But if it goes to that, they probably will do it. The Nato psychosis getting pretty bad (witness Estonia).

Another part of the puzzle is waiting for US unlimited-money-printing-without-consequences ability to fade into history, which really won't take that long. This is coordinated with China and BRICS and where their true strength lies. IMF trying to poke its way back into Russia, etc.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 18:53 utc | 87

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 16:01 utc | 32

https://t.me/bmpd_cast/20905

It was reported that Russian President Vladimir Putin held a meeting on current issues of developing the Armed Forces in the context of a special military operation. The meeting was held via videoconference.

In particular, V. Putin stated:

"I would like to emphasize that we are paying a lot of attention to the technical re-equipment of the army and navy. This concerns both the modernization and improvement of the tactical and technical characteristics of the weapons and equipment currently in service, and the prospects for developing new high-tech models, including taking into account the experience gained by our troops during a special military operation. This experience is being comprehensively studied in design bureaus and specialized research institutes. And based on the conclusions made, optimal steps are determined to improve weapons systems and increase the combat power of the Russian army.

We are implementing a program for the comprehensive re-equipment of the army and navy, which means that the troops will receive not individual, but serial models of modern high-precision weapons and armored vehicles, aviation, enemy detection and counter-battery systems, control and communication systems.

And, of course, unmanned aircraft systems of various types: from strategic and heavy to small and ultra-small. These include reconnaissance aircraft, strike systems, patrol aircraft, counter-battery aircraft, combat engineer systems, miners and fighters. We will discuss these issues in detail, as I have already said, we will continue discussing these issues at a meeting of the Military-Industrial Commission.

However, highly qualified crews and calculations are needed to effectively use these weapons. That is, we need to have people who are ready to operate this equipment. The effectiveness of their use will directly depend on the personnel of the Armed Forces, on their level of training and, first of all, on the quality of combat training.

Here, we need to use all available resources, including the modern training base of pre-conscription organizations, military universities, training centers and training grounds, and the Ministry of Defense and the authorities of the constituent entities of the Federation must work together in this important area. We will also talk about this in detail today.

In close cooperation between federal and regional authorities, we need to solve the key task of ensuring that the Armed Forces are staffed with trained and qualified people, trained and qualified personnel. Including the units and formations of permanent combat readiness of the new military districts.

It was precisely to solve this task that the Decree on establishing the authorized strength of the Armed Forces, published the other day, was aimed. It will come into force on December 1 of this year."

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 18:54 utc | 88

@88

" All of them may have some truth albeit no truth." ... meant ... "all of them have some truth albeit non of them is the complete truth" meaning they are components of the truth.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 18:55 utc | 89

82 - I get Colonel Cassad. One of his latest is film of a German Leopard tank burning in Kursk Oblast. History doesn't repeat but sometimes it rhymes.

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 19 2024 19:00 utc | 90

“The EU parliament expensive clowns also voted to recognize Edmundo González as the Venezuelan president, does anyone remember Guaidó? Every time Guaidó was mentioned by the Spanish press his family name was followed by the ca[t]chfrase “recognized by fifty countries”, where is he now?”
______________________________________________
Guaidó, last I heard, was in Miami where the rest of the mafiosa gang – including Nyahoo’s son, resides, and where Zelensky has a mansion.

According to the NY Times,“Miami has become such a destination for Brooklyn mobsters” and their ilk.”

Posted by: hispanidad | Sep 19 2024 19:01 utc | 91

Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Sep 19 2024 18:44 utc | 86--

Russia has no lack of support. Plus, NATO began this having no weapons capable of defeating Russia, not even their nukes. NATO's demilitarized to the point where the Outlaw US Empire was forced to open one of its equipment depots in Poland. One wonders if there's an ammo bunker capable of supplying that equipment or if it's already been emptied.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 19:02 utc | 92

Posted by: Paco | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 38

All the best to you, Paco.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 19 2024 19:06 utc | 93

Paco | Sep 19 2024 16:17 utc | 38

“The EU parliament expensive clowns also voted to recognize Edmundo González as the Venezuelan president, does anyone remember Guaidó? Every time Guaidó was mentioned by the Spanish press his family name was followed by the ca[t]chfrase “recognized by fifty countries”, where is he now?”
______________________________________________

Guaidó, last I heard, was in Miami where the rest of the mafiosa gang – including Nyahoo’s son, resides, and where Zelensky has a mansion.

According to the NY Times,“Miami has become such a destination for Brooklyn mobsters” and their ilk.

I'm re-sending this since I messed up on the first try!

Posted by: hispanidad | Sep 19 2024 19:11 utc | 94

According to the NY Times,“Miami has become such a destination for Brooklyn mobsters” and their ilk.

Posted by: hispanidad | Sep 19 2024 19:11 utc | 95

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Miami will become New Jerusalem.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 19:13 utc | 95

NATO war fighting abilities...

The most likely explanation is AFU has very little to no fire support available to support in this region. A lot of units are already broken, isolated by Russian advances, some are scattered in fields and forests behind the line, and the main line is getting hammered with bombs and artillery. Which once again, NATO can't deliver there. The only thing they have is shiny PR objects in terms of long range strikes.

⚡️🇷🇺Kursk region. A commander of the legendary 810th Marines tells Sladkov that Ukraine's manpower losses in Kursk are 6:1 in Russia's favor, and their vehicular losses are 30:1 in Russia's favor (4:10 of video).

What is happening in the sector of responsibility of the 810th Marine Brigade of the Black Sea Fleet?

1. The enemy has been stopped, his attempts to find our weak points and counterattack are unsuccessful. And we are steadily moving forward, cutting through the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
2. The enemy's losses in personnel (in relation to our losses) are 1 to 6, the enemy is losing equipment, in relation to our losses 1 to 30.
3. Our main task is to accept and destroy the enemy's reserves, maneuvering, not allowing him to dig in.

High losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region force them, when urgent tasks arise, to consolidate the remnants of their battalions into one, to maintain combat readiness. The enemy has no order to retreat, has lost the initiative.
Having up to 30,000 in his group in his best moments, the enemy has proven to have lost more than 30% killed.

It is encouraging: payments for destroyed enemy equipment are being made accurately. This is a conversation for the 810th brigade. Even a common phrase of drones was born: "I'll go pay off the mortgage."

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 19:19 utc | 96

@97 link.

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1836840137277460565

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 19 2024 19:20 utc | 97

Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh @ 86

Article 5 is peacetime nonsense, it's not automatic it requires a vote, and even if it was automatic the problem with the rules based order is that it's all ad hoc there are no rules, it's a two edged sword. When it comes to Italy, Greece, Spain and even France and Germany having to actually send tens of thousands of men to get FAB'd on the march to Russia watch the sanctity of Article 5 go out the window.

If Russia fails Iran will suffer a Carthaginian peace, it'll be wiped off the face of the earth to never cause western hegemony trouble again. Russia will be carved up to the feast of the barking dogs of the Baltics, Sweden, Finland and Norway, who will get management of the arctic spoils and routes. UK and France will get management of the Black Sea and the Caucuses and tolls and tariffs of all resources and trade traffic east and west, and the military gatekeeping of Chinese trade westwards. Rump Russia will be vassalized and its military turned away from preventing internal disintegration of the RF and pointed towards China. China overmatched and surrounded will have its oligarchs offered the usual colonial deal, accept re-colonization of your nation and your people, and your elites and PMC will be allowed to live like western pashas and bourgeoisie or be permanently blockaded back to the 19th century.

That's the only game plan, I really doubt China and Iran will waver. I also promise that the only people that have fear are the western warmongers, and the western peanut gallery, you see it in the confused hysterical nature of all the western leaders, ministers, secretaries, and commanders, compared to the calm of Iran, Putin, Xi, and all their staff. I guarantee Iran, Putin, Xi have no fear of USA and EU's power, what they fear is actual madness.

The madness could be the greatest bluff in all history, insolent gangsters are the last people on earth that want to die, Scarface is just a movie, but war once started takes on its own trajectory.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 19:29 utc | 98

too scents @ 96 / hispanidad @ 95

According to the NY Times,“Miami has become such a destination for Brooklyn mobsters” and their ilk.

Did you two find a stack of old newspapers from the 1920s? Miami has always been HQ of Jewish gangsters. In a too rapidly changing world, it's good to see some enduring traditions.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 19:34 utc | 100

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