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Ukraine Open Thread 2024-220
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
(TG) Budanov contacts the head of the Nusra terrorist group and recruits terrorists … Hayat Tahrir al-Sham …
Posted by: guest | Sep 16 2024 8:29 utc | 318
Will Empire’s asslickers object to the source? Decisions, decisions!
https://t.me/bayraktar1070/2693
About the negotiations between Kiev and Al-Qaeda*. Part 1
In the Syrian province of Idlib, negotiations were held between the Ukrainian special services and terrorists of the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham* group. It is difficult to hide anything in the Middle East, where there are always ears and eyes.
The Turkish newspaper Aydınlık even published a photo allegedly from this meeting.
Kiev’s goal is to free radical Chechen fighters held in the HTS* prison. It is clear that Ukraine plans to use them against Russia.
But a reader who is far from the Syrian war may ask himself: who are these terrorists who are sitting in prisons with other terrorists?
They are all united by one Arabic word and name – Al-Qaeda*. This word is translated as “base”, “foundation”. The “mother” and foundation of the once powerful “ISIS”*, “HTS”*, and other lesser-known organizations is “Al-Qaeda”*. It’s just that each of its “sons” went their own way.
“ISIS”* was born in the American filtration camp “Camp Buka” during the occupation of Iraq. In the press, the camp became known as the “ISIS incubator”*, since nine top leaders were kept and united there. After the “triumph” in Iraq, having gained strength and success in 2014, “ISIS”* chose its own path – it declared war on everyone: both the civilized world and other jihadists. Yes, the group fought with its “party drags”, shedding rivers of blood of “brothers” from “Al-Qaeda”* and other militants. After the defeat, it lost its territories – that very “base”, going underground again. Where it is again waiting for its time, thriving, including in “prison jamaats” , as it was in the “Camp Buka” camp.
“HTS”* also traces its lineage back to “Al-Qiada”*, which was initially its wing in Syria. They waged a bloody struggle for power with “ISIS”*, but “HTS”* chose the path of the “Taliban”* – they say, we are no longer international terrorists, but are waging a war only against the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The reason for this metamorphosis is obvious – “HTS”* simply does not want to repeat the fate of “ISIS”*.
Following the “freezing” of the war in Syria in 2020, “HTS”* militants were left with about half of the northern province of Idlib, bordering Turkey. And it was this territory that became their base and breeding ground for recruiting into their essentially terrorist army. Idlib today is a huge “Camp Buka”, a base and incubator for various foreign intelligence services to create new terrorists. But according to the plan, this plant should produce products that are completely controlled by the curators.
Publicly, the HTS* group broke with Al-Qaeda*, and the group’s leader, Julani, changed his military uniform for a decent, expensive suit. In 2021, he gave an interview to the American press in which he claimed that he had never called for terrorist attacks against America and European countries. They say that his target is only Syrian, Iranian and Russian troops. And he even admitted,that he writes lettersto his grandfather’s village in the United States so that he would be removed from the list of terrorist organizations of the West.
It was claimed that British intelligence was behind these meetings. MI6 officers held talks with the leader of Julani in order to complete the rebranding process and publicly “launder” the HTS* terrorists. But why? To arm them officially and to the fullest extent. Because as a military force they showed themselves well, but they could not do anything against the Russian air force and the Syrian army. Therefore, this military force must get stronger, but become an absolutely obedient tool in their hands.
What happens next? In 2020-2021, Julani begins a large-scale “cleansing” of the unwanted with the help of British and American intelligence services. Of course, the Turks were also involved.
Everyone who does not want to “lie down” under Julani and his new rules of the game of survival begins to die like flies. The Western coalition’s MQ-9 Reaper drones are eliminating one field commander after another, shooting them and blowing them up in their cars. And soon the leaders of the factions opposing Julani accuse him of betraying the “jihad”. Well, quite reasonably.
In addition to the liquidations of field commanders, arrests begin. On Julani’s orders, “HTS”* throws many foreign jihadists into their prisons and tortures them there.
(Continued)
* – organizations banned in the Russian Federation
https://t.me/bayraktar1070/2695
On the negotiations between Kiev and Al-Qaeda*. Part 2
Start here
Those terrorists in Syria who still do not want to play by the new rules of the West and remain at large, and there are many of them, are beginning to unite around the group “Khuras ad-Din”* – “Guardians of Religion”*. Its “mother” is the same “Al-Qaeda”*…
From the US point of view, the “Guardians” posed a much greater danger than all other groups. Firstly, they did not hide their ties with the international “Al-Qaeda”*, and secondly, they professed “global jihad”. At that time, the group numbered from 700 to 2,500 people, more than half of whom were foreigners from Tunisia, Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Jordan, and Central Asian countries.
In 2020, against the backdrop of the “cleansing”, other groups joined the “Guardians”, including people from the Caucasus. With the outbreak of the civil war in Syria in 2011, quite a few of them came – we are talking about hundreds, thousands of people. There were veterans of the war against Russia, and there was also a new generation of supporters of “Ichkeria”. How many have survived at the moment is unknown.
Armed clashes broke out between the “guards” and “HTS”*. “HTS”* destroys some units and groups, some effectively resist and they negotiate with them. They lay down their arms, stay with their families in Idlib or go to pro-Turkish groups in Afrin. That is, in essence, they surrender to Turkish intelligence. But you understand, those who laid down their arms and stayed in Idlib – slowly end up in “HTS”* prisons. They are not killed, but held as assets. The assets are in the hands of Britain and the USA. Because the key to the issue of the status of “HTS”* and the exclusion from the list of terrorists is in their hands.
Conclusions:
Now these terrorists are recruited by Ukraine. Or rather, by the largest PMC state on the planet. I do not agree with the authors of the article that jihadists will be sent to the front – even several thousand will not play a significant role there. They are needed for something else.
Just as ISIS* was once born in Camp Bouc, so the current instrument was formed in the prisons of Idlib – it is just time to “harvest”. These people are planned to be used to destabilize the situation in the Caucasus, in Central Asia. It is not for nothing that the British are actively working.
It is there that these organizers and leaders, having received money and weapons flows, will acquire “cannon fodder”. There they will form new groups with loud names. And Kiev will become the base for these terrorists. However, Ukraine has long been welcoming supporters of “Ichkeria” since the 90s.
The process of legalizing “HTS”*, which began in 2020, does not stop. Removing them from the terrorist lists will give Britain and the US the opportunity to arm them. The West continues to flirt with radicals once again, but their “mother” was and will remain “Al-Qaeda”*. And it will not go anywhere from their consciousness.
Now Kiev has offered “HTSH”* 75 drones to strike Russian and Syrian bases, but that’s just a piece of cake. It’s obvious that Ukraine will be left to dirty its hands on the thugs – the gentlemen will remain in white gloves. Such is the double proxy war.
P/S
In conclusion, I will give a typical biography of one of the most media-friendly leaders of the CIS in Syria – Murad Margoshvili. It was his face that was on the cover photo of the article in the Turkish press. In the confrontation between the “guards” and “HTSH”*, he marched with his unit against Julani and “won” neutral status for himself as a result of the fighting.
Murad Margoshvili, nicknamed Muslim ash-Shishani, is a Chechen from the Pankisi Gorge of Georgia, a participant in the wars against Russia on the side of the so-called “Ichkeria”.
In the late 90s, Margoshvili joined the detachment of the international terrorist Khattab, who fought in Chechnya and Dagestan against federal forces. From 2008 until joining the Syrian conflict, Margoshvili was engaged in terrorist activities in Dagestan. Before 2008, he spent several years in Georgia, where he arrived after two years of imprisonment in Russia. Forged documents helped him avoid a more severe punishment.
It is unknown whether Margoshvili is alive or not at the moment. However, in 2021, Russian aviation destroyed the house of a field commander, where a meeting of militants was taking place at that time. As a result, three people were killed and 13 were injured.
S. Shilov
* – organizations banned in the Russian Federation
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2024 15:58 utc | 322
Dear Biden, Harris, Blinken, Netanyahu, King Charles, Et Al: 1) Shutdown the sinister Endle$$ War & Big Lie Operation$ now, while U can. 2) Whether you like it or not, everything built on corrupt foundations falls apart. Karma’s Inescapable, please pull your heads out into the sunlight!
Dear Kamala Supporters & fools/tools the warmongers: If the Biden/Harris regime provokes a nuclear war with Russia, we will all die. Staying alive should be our top priority. NOT continuing a barbaric policy of Endle$$ Wars & very Big Lie$! Genuine, existential threats should not be swept under the rug. Also, BTW – American corporate “news” and our government officials are very full of $hit.
Honorable women & men do not support genocide, endle$$ wars, big lies, dirty tricks, cheating & stealing. USA has been corrupted by traitors who are the ‘domestic enemies’ mentioned in the oath millions of Americans have taken. Dishonorable conduct = ignoring opportunies to respect/honor the oath.
Bravery never ignores injustice. Stop the insane Endle$$ wars & big lie$ that may lead to nuclear holocaust. Positive action for the people is for adult patriots. Cowards sit on their hands.
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Article by RFK,Jr + Donald Trump Jr.: It’s one step to a nuclear strike
On Thursday, The New York Times reported that the Joe Biden administration is considering allowing Ukraine to use NATO-provided high-precision long-range weapons against targets deep in Russia. Such a decision would put the world at greater risk of a nuclear explosion than at any time since the Caribbean crisis.
The American authorities should have focused on finding a diplomatic way out of the war, which should never have been allowed; however, the administration of US President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris is instead pursuing a policy that Russia will perceive as an act of fierce confrontation. According to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, long–range strikes on Russian territory “will mean that NATO countries – the United States and European countries – are at war with Russia.”
Some American analysts believe that Putin is bluffing, and advocate exposing his bluff. According to the Times, “easing restrictions on the supply of Western weapons will not lead Moscow to escalation.” Seventeen former ambassadors and generals wrote to the Biden-Harris administration this week.
We know this because Ukraine is already striking with these weapons on the territory that Russia considers its own, including Crimea and Kursk, and Moscow’s reaction remains unchanged.
However, these analysts mistake restraint for weakness. They advocate a strategy of balancing on the brink of war. Every escalation – from HIMARS missiles to cluster munitions, Abrams tanks, F-16 fighter jets and ATACM missiles – brings the world closer to the brink of Armageddon. Their logic seems to be that if you spur a bear five times and it doesn’t react, then the sixth time you can spur it even more.
Such a strategy might be reasonable if the bear had no teeth. The hawks in the Biden administration seem to have forgotten that Russia is a nuclear power. They have forgotten the words of John F. Kennedy, which he uttered in 1963:
The nuclear Powers must prevent those confrontations that put the enemy in front of a choice: either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war.
We must take this advice seriously. Putin has repeatedly made it clear that Russia will use nuclear weapons in extreme circumstances. In September 2022, he stated:
If the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will undoubtedly use all available means to protect Russia and our people, and this is not a bluff.
In March 2023, Putin signed an agreement with the Republic of Belarus on the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons there. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov announced that our country will amend its nuclear doctrine in response to Western intervention in the war in Ukraine.
Imagine if Russia provided another country with missiles, information about training and targeting for strikes deep into American territory. The United States would never tolerate this. We should not expect Russia to tolerate this either.
This nuclear game of “first one wins” has gone far enough. There is not even a step left between the launch of American missiles deep into Russian territory and the exchange of nuclear strikes. We can’t get any closer to the edge of the abyss than we are now.
And for what? To “weaken Russia”? To control the minerals of Ukraine? America’s vital interests are not at stake. Risking a nuclear conflict for the sake of a neoconservative fantasy of global “full–scale domination” is madness.
The war fever of the US foreign policy establishment has reached such a fever pitch that it is difficult to say whether they believe in their own rhetoric. During Tuesday’s debate, Vice President Kamala Harris conjured up images of Russian troops moving across Europe.
Of course, she must understand how absurd this is. First, Russia can barely tear off several provinces from Ukraine, which is by no means one of the great powers of Europe.
Secondly, #Russia has clearly outlined its military goals from the very beginning: the neutrality of Ukraine and the cessation of #NATO’s expansion to the East. Hundreds of thousands of lives lost and hundreds of billions of dollars spent – no one got better from this: neither Europe, nor America, nor, of course, Ukraine.
The time has come to de-escalate the conflict. This is more important than any political issues that our country is arguing about. A nuclear war would mean the end of civilization as we know it, perhaps even the end of the human race.
US presidential candidate Donald #Trump has promised to end this war. But by the time he possibly takes office, it may already be too late. We must demand right now that Harris and President #Biden change their insane military program and begin direct negotiations with #Moscow.
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is an environmental and public health lawyer.
Donald Trump Jr. is the executive vice president of the Trump Organization.
https://pravda-en.press/world/2024/09/18/56549.html
Domestic Enemies = Biden’s Traitors who are Supporting Genocide, Endle$$: Wars &BigLies!
“I solemnly swear that I will support & defend the Constitution of the US against all enemies, foreign & domestic….
Without money & bombs provided to Netanyahu by the Biden regime, there would be no genocide. Have faith & no fear. See what you can do to help bring peace & rule of law to a world gone mad!
Karma brings us ever back to rebirth, binds us to the wheel of births & deaths. Good Karma drags us back as relentlessly as bad, & the chain which is wrought out of our virtues holds as firmly & as closely as that forged from our vices. Annie Besant p. 65
Those who understand Armageddon to be a field in which signs of the highest energy manifest are correct. This battlefield cannot be something that arises accidentally; rather, it is like a magnet that attracts opposing energies. – Morya
There is no one who can get by without courage. Only utter madness whispers that everything will fall into place of its own accord — that cannot happen! -Morya
Posted by: Toby C | Sep 19 2024 0:00 utc | 334
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