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September 15, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-220
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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A little suggestion re trolls on this forum: Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 15 2024 23:03 utc | 201 Well its certainly not Russians that are trying to “influence” the election by assassinating Trump. More likely Ukronazi sympathisers I would say! Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Sep 15 2024 23:05 utc | 202 Posted by: Konami | Sep 15 2024 22:44 utc | 223 Posted by: Urban Fox | Sep 15 2024 23:06 utc | 203 konami 223 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 23:11 utc | 204
The Ruling Class have no connection to the average Brit. They are all a bunch of perverted, multi-generational serial killers. Posted by: ChatNPC | Sep 15 2024 23:11 utc | 205 james | Sep 15 2024 23:14 utc | 236 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 23:14 utc | 206 Peter AU1. 218 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 23:20 utc | 207 Well its certainly not Russians that are trying to “influence” the election by assassinating Trump. More likely Ukronazi sympathisers I would say! Posted by: tenplusten | Sep 15 2024 23:23 utc | 208 Did Putin just try to assassinate Trump for belly flopping at the debate? Some other posts are claiming the Kremlin has had it with Trump. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 23:25 utc | 209 Many thanks for the replies. Posted by: Konami | Sep 15 2024 23:26 utc | 210 aparently there been a 2nd try and murder former u.s. president donald trump. there only 1 party this good for and it is ukrane who are killing him. i think Posted by: Ed Yam | Sep 15 2024 23:31 utc | 211 Konami @ 223, 228: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2024 23:33 utc | 212 *** But when you’re losing a war, especially a proxy war, it’s Imperialism 101 to walk back, lick wounds and prepare the next round. I can see a US faction aiming for that. Is the UK? *** Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 23:41 utc | 213 Hermius @ 192 and elsewhere: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2024 23:43 utc | 214 Fact is Britain is the Renfield to the USA’s Dracula. Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 15 2024 23:51 utc | 215 DS map intel has dropped:
Note, this is another 36 hour drop, gets us back to late afternoon/evening reporting. Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 15 2024 23:56 utc | 216 As I said earlier, it now appears that the suspect in the new trump assasination attempt, has helped raise funds for Ukraine. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 16 2024 0:12 utc | 217 Scott Ritter said in the latest Greg Galloway talkshow that Russia made explicit statements what they would hit if the FUKUS launched missiles from Poland in Russia, per the latest Blinken/Starmer plan. They would have striked Nato bases in Europe and including US hard. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2024 0:18 utc | 218 Edward Snowden has wondered whether US intelligence agencies had any “contact” with the attempted shooter, pointing to his alleged Ukraine connections and vocal support of Kiev. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 16 2024 0:22 utc | 219 The potential assassin at Del Lago in Florida today was a Ukrainian agent who was actively attempting to recruit mercs in the US to serve with the UAF…..Ryan Wesley has numerous pro Ukrainian posts on social media…… Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 16 2024 0:27 utc | 220 If the Ukrops wanted to take Trump, they could have done something way more professional, than this goofy loon. Use your noggin. They have professionals and the ability to pay professionals. They don’t need 58 year old losers like this weirdo. Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 16 2024 0:30 utc | 221 @unimperator | Mon, 16 Sep 2024 00:18:00 GMT | 252 Posted by: James M. | Sep 16 2024 0:31 utc | 222 If the Ukrops wanted to take Trump, they could have done something way more professional, than this goofy loon. Use your noggin. They have professionals and the ability to pay professionals. They don’t need 58 year old losers like this weirdo. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 16 2024 0:36 utc | 223 @Archetypex | Sun, 15 Sep 2024 23:51:00 GMT | 249
They were the master of you and him fight, a hundred years ago. They utilized off-shore balancing, helped by their geography to exhaust the continental powers. But the US has something that Britain does not have, about 5,000 km of ocean between it and the Eurasian landmass, and a mostly disengaged populace. Hopefully America is insulated enough to not take the bait. Posted by: James M. | Sep 16 2024 0:36 utc | 224 Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 16 2024 0:30 utc | 255 Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Sep 16 2024 0:37 utc | 225 @HERMIUS | Mon, 16 Sep 2024 00:36:00 GMT | 257 Posted by: James M. | Sep 16 2024 0:47 utc | 226 If you want to establish some type of deniability the last thing you want to do is sent a team of trained, professional assassins to Florida……. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 16 2024 0:49 utc | 227 If the Ukrops wanted to take Trump, they could have done something way more professional, than this goofy loon. Use your noggin. They have professionals and the ability to pay professionals. They don’t need 58 year old losers like this weirdo. Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 16 2024 0:50 utc | 228 The way they keep trying to kill Trump or put him in jail is beginning to make me think that electing him might actually make a difference. Now I have to figure out if it will be for the better or the worse… Posted by: Honzo | Sep 16 2024 0:55 utc | 229 https://deepstatemap.live/en#10/46.6951383/32.8614807 Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 1:00 utc | 230 BTW, since it seems that half-cocked speculation is in vogue at the bar lately, what if the Neocon/Neolib Deep State was behind the latest attempt to kill Trump (just like the last one)? It would be a two-fer- Trump dead by a pro-Ukrainian assassin… talk about an off-ramp from Ukraine! Posted by: Honzo | Sep 16 2024 1:01 utc | 231 Ryan Wesley is the perfect sap……..and he was a ersatz recruiter for the UAF too……. Posted by: Fyador | Sep 16 2024 1:03 utc | 232 It is clear Russia cannot defend it’s own borders from invasion by a very weakened Ukraine, nor eradicate or extricate the Ukr forces from Kursk. Posted by: Honzo | Sep 16 2024 1:04 utc | 233 Posted by: James M. | Sep 16 2024 0:31 utc | 256 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2024 1:08 utc | 234 @Escobar | Mon, 16 Sep 2024 01:00:00 GMT | 264
Victory is Russia’s exit strategy. Posted by: James M. | Sep 16 2024 1:08 utc | 235 If today is what ‘winning’ looks like then what would failure be in Ukraine for Russia? Is holding onto four oblasts plus Crimea all that matters? Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 1:13 utc | 236 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 16:23 utc | 56 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 16 2024 1:16 utc | 237 It is clear Russia cannot defend it’s own borders from invasion by a very weakened Ukraine, nor eradicate or extricate the Ukr forces from Kursk. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 16 2024 1:17 utc | 238 “There, I fixed it for you.” Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 1:21 utc | 239 The UK motivation in this war is because it’s genuinely in rapid terminal economic decline. Posted by: Saul Goode | Sep 16 2024 1:27 utc | 241 Guys and Gals – if the REAL string pullers wanted Trump dead he would be long gone by now. This is all opera bouffa. Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Sep 16 2024 1:27 utc | 242 Raheem. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 1:37 utc | 243
Well, that is one theory. If it works for you, great. Though may I point out you did overlook the ‘obsessive-compulsive unintelligent illogical conspiracy theorists’ and the ‘intentionally disruptive trolls’ from your list. Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 1:38 utc | 244 Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Sep 16 2024 1:27 utc | 276 Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 16 2024 1:39 utc | 245 The Ukranians have 17 (seventeen) brigades of various kinds near the Kursk border. I estimate that they are 60% complete, given the hardships they have gone through so far, there are approximately 50,000 pairs of boots on the ground. A good opportunity to purge the Ukranian forces a little more; one thing I wonder is where they found this force? Where were they hidden? How did they move them? Discarding teleportation, there are 2 cases: Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Sep 16 2024 1:43 utc | 246 @ Adriatic Hillbilly | Sep 16 2024 1:27 utc | 276 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 16 2024 1:46 utc | 247 RE: “It is clear Russia cannot defend it’s own borders from invasion by a very weakened Ukraine, nor eradicate or extricate the Ukr forces from Kursk”. Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 16 2024 1:46 utc | 248 Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Sep 16 2024 1:27 utc | 276 Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 16 2024 1:48 utc | 249 LEMMNING1 | Sep 16 2024 1:43 utc | 280 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 1:51 utc | 250 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 23:14 utc | 237 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 1:52 utc | 251 Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 1:52 utc | 285 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 1:54 utc | 252 As a side note about Ukraine, this past Saturday was the first time that the Ukraine supporters were not at the other end of the courthouse block when I was there supporting Palestine. *** Posted by: frithguild | Sep 16 2024 1:56 utc | 253 about being in a true bind with no where to go Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 2:00 utc | 254 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 1:52 utc | 285 Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Sep 16 2024 2:00 utc | 255 The Vindmans mentioned up thread a bit? I assume this is the one…. wikipedia
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 2:02 utc | 256 Melaleuca #271 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 16 2024 2:05 utc | 257 Jake Blanchard | Sep 16 2024 2:05 utc | 292 Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 16 2024 2:17 utc | 258 Jake Blanchard | Sep 16 2024 2:05 utc | 292 Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 2:18 utc | 259 Looks like Trump is going to make good on his claim to end the Ukraine War by Inauguration Day. Posted by: Jerr | Sep 16 2024 2:20 utc | 260 that sandy person said- Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 2:23 utc | 261 The line of corruption runs long and deep in the US-Ukraine collusion. Recall the so-called Russian hacking of the DNC computers supposedly by Russia but in reality by Ukraine, the good Ukrainian and US LT Colonel Vindman and his collusion story leading to the Mueller SPECIAL counsel investigation, untold investigations by Menbers of Congress, Trump withholding of funds to Ukraine because of corruption in 2019, the Impeachments, and now with the second attempted assassination of Trump the link between this potential assassin and a pro-Ukrainian NYT journalist who assisted with the development of the Ukraine Foreign Legion and its recruiting. Also, somewhere Hunter and the rest of the Bidens and a few other P-Dem are involved but I can’t the interlinkages now. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 16 2024 2:25 utc | 262 Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 1:38 utc | 278 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 16 2024 2:28 utc | 263 Reuters has a posting up with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 16 2024 2:31 utc | 264 Trump is the one chance for empire to change. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2024 2:38 utc | 265 All I did was to suggest a way people could stay in contact if this forum was brought down by cyberattacks. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2024 2:50 utc | 266 Background on Routh in this article. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 2:51 utc | 267 Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 2:18 utc | 294 Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 16 2024 2:57 utc | 268 It seems that trolls and the occasional “live sex model girls” poster are the price we have to pay for a free speech zone. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 16 2024 2:58 utc | 269 (smile) @ Jake B 298 / 303 (Enfield). Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 3:01 utc | 270 Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 1:13 utc | 270 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2024 3:04 utc | 271 [Vaguely on-topic, but well considered thought bubble to share]. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 16 2024 3:08 utc | 272 BTW, since it seems that half-cocked speculation is in vogue at the bar lately, what if the Neocon/Neolib Deep State was behind the latest attempt to kill Trump (just like the last one)? It would be a two-fer- Trump dead by a pro-Ukrainian assassin… talk about an off-ramp from Ukraine! Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 3:18 utc | 273 Personally I see MoA as a huge wasted opportunity to be something it isn’t. Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 16 2024 3:18 utc | 274 Larry Johnson has a piece on the VOA hit job which Martyanov had linked to. This section in Larry’s piece is interesting. The hit on Johnson basically links back to MI6. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 3:45 utc | 275 Posted by: Micron | Sep 16 2024 3:07 utc | 307
Well to be pedantic it is on day 935 actually. Posted by: hopehely | Sep 16 2024 3:51 utc | 276 I’m guessing that the USA has left the British government to twist in the wind because the Russian Federation military got on the phone with the American military and was the opposite of vague when they laid out how they would respond to British missiles guided by American technology. I think they clearly presented the escalation ladder they’d follow, and the Houthis firing a hypersonic came after the Russian Federation said arming Western foes with advanced kit would be step one. Posted by: Babel-17 | Sep 16 2024 4:04 utc | 277 Video of Routh being interviews in Romania in 2022. The link was in the comments at Martyanov’s blog. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 4:24 utc | 278 Paleologos | Sep 16 2024 3:52 utc | 313 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 4:25 utc | 279 um, hopehely Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 16 2024 4:38 utc | 280 Another US MQ9 drone was shot down over Dhamar Governorate, in Yemen. This is the 3rd MQ9 being shot down in the past 10 days, and the 10th one since October last year. Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 4:39 utc | 281 Escobar | Sep 16 2024 4:39 utc | 318 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 4:41 utc | 282 Borzzikman is saying that Russia have nuclear submarines in place already to deliver retaliation against the UK in the case of their SS missile strikes in Russia: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 16 2024 4:41 utc | 283 Trump will not only end Ukraine assistance and war but dismantle overseas US bases (not much choice there because of the dollar condition towards the end of the decade). So Ukraine and war mongrels supporting it cannot let Trump win Posted by: Joe | Sep 16 2024 4:48 utc | 284 Andrew Sarchus | Sep 16 2024 4:41 utc | 320 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 4:48 utc | 285 Babel, the lunatics are in charge. The US military HQ do not have to tell anyone. And the Supporters of the lunatics wouldn’t believe the military anyway. Posted by: Escobar | Sep 16 2024 4:58 utc | 286 Mood in global south Babel-17 | Sep 16 2024 4:04 utc | 314 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 5:20 utc | 288
Also has video of the clown at the link. These types are like drug mules. Dumb as dogshit and used as such. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 5:31 utc | 289 Forgot to post the link https://x.com/jimmy_dore/status/1835467535959159141 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 5:32 utc | 290 Jack Poso 🇺🇸 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 16 2024 6:10 utc | 291 Trump was totally powerless during his 4 yrs in office. He became a more vicious neocon than McCain. 12 wks after his inauguration he bombed Syria for no reason–sobbed over fake photos of children from US-backed jihadists in Idlib. WaPo patted him on the head. In Aug. 2017 congress removed all Russia matters from him. Russian PM Medvedev commented: “Any hope of improving our relations with the new U.S. administration is over….The Trump administration demonstrated it is utterly powerless, and in the most humiliating manner, transferred executive powers to Congress…The American establishment completely outplayed Trump.”…In July 2017 Don went on tv and said he changed his mind about endless Mideast wars, now thinks they’re necessary. He approved lethal weapons to Ukraine in 2017-which even Obama wouldn’t do. Trump was elected in Nov. 2016 for #1, promising a wall on day 1, and #2, favoring detente w Russia and reduced US military intervention. His voters were nullified. Since then all he does is brag about how Putin loves him and he tells Putin all the time that he’s going to bomb Moscow. No one talks about how Russia was taken away from him, how he’ll be powerless again, they hope you won’t remember. Trump is a phony and a clown. US is effectively a military dictatorship anyway….8/6/2017, Alastair Crooke…https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/06/playing-politics-with-the-worlds-future/ Posted by: susan mullen | Sep 16 2024 6:18 utc | 292 “So I’ve been told that the “incursion” into Kursk People’s Republic was over, yet it’s still going strong. What happened?” Posted by: Moscow Exile | Sep 16 2024 6:28 utc | 293
I’m not sure about “laser gyroscopes”, but today’s photons ain’t your grandad’s: Posted by: retroflecks | Sep 16 2024 6:47 utc | 294
Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2024 6:47 utc | 295 Long-range attacks on the Russian hinterland. Posted by: ossi | Sep 16 2024 6:48 utc | 296 LoveDonbass | Sep 16 2024 3:04 utc | 306
Posted by: Down South | Sep 16 2024 6:54 utc | 298 I’m guessing that the USA has left the British government to twist in the wind because the Russian Federation military got on the phone with the American military and was the opposite of vague when they laid out how they would respond to British missiles guided by American technology. I think they clearly presented the escalation ladder they’d follow, and the Houthis firing a hypersonic came after the Russian Federation said arming Western foes with advanced kit would be step one. Posted by: ossi | Sep 16 2024 6:57 utc | 299
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