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September 15, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-220

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Another faction involved is the financiers, who I believe are starting to get twitchy about seeing a return on their “investment”.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 18:20 utc | 118
The natural alignment for banking and finance would be Pentagon/CIA (procurement, etc.). These interests are more grounded in reality – my shorthand for this is “khinzals to carriers.” So the location of the CSGs at any given moment compared to rhetoric is always a curious pursuit – much like how Moscow used to speak through the location of the Moscova.
My sense, however, there’s a new kid in town that wants to protect Ukrainian turf already in their pocket. Foggy bottom is a more maleable tool and more easily captured. So this is where the war vampires coven has located itself.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 18:40 utc | 101

It’s clear that the impostors are trying to shut the forum down and make people leave. This won’t work. However I have already suggested IRC as a working supplement. Libera, #moonofalabama. I’m there now.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 18:12 utc | 116
You are by that very trying to get people to leave. Now fuck off, troll

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 15 2024 18:51 utc | 102

I think the recent influx of emotional, aggressive trolling is inversely proportional to Ukraine’s fighting strength. It’s irritating, but I’d say a good sign over all.
Let them fuck around freaking out at the bar. That’s not going to change any intelligent person’s mind here about the war and most importantly, it won’t change the hard facts on the front line. The Ukies are toast!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 15 2024 18:52 utc | 103

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Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 18:27 utc | 120
Go away cunt

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 15 2024 18:52 utc | 104

Excuse me.
Comment 95 is not from me. I am encouraged however that if trolls post in my name, my opinions (such as they are) must have some significance such that they are worth hijacking.
Thank You

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 15 2024 18:53 utc | 105

Russian Army Liberates Village of Darino in Kursk Region
The counteroffensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the Kursk region, which began several days ago, continues to bring tangible territorial successes.
The day before, it became known that the village of Tolsty Lug in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region had been liberated from the militants of the Kiev regime, and now there are reports that the nationalists have also been driven out of the settlement of Darino.
Moreover, according to unconfirmed information, the village of Nikolayevo-Daryino has also come under the control of the Russian military.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 18:54 utc | 106

@ PeterAU1, §47:
Yes, Edward Bernays capitalized on this discovery of Freud to sell selling techniques to corporations (and now, politicians). It´s since been brought to a fine art by the psychologists. As is oft said, the individual human being may be the most intelligent creature on earth but, in collective mode (e.g. at a football match), they have the intelligence of a dog – including the readiness to fight with others for no apparent reason.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 15 2024 18:55 utc | 107

The Bundestag called for the earliest possible start of negotiations to resolve the conflict in Ukraine
Western allies of the Kiev regime should initiate the creation of a contact group that will be able to launch peace talks to resolve the Russian-Ukrainian conflict. This was stated by the head of the Social Democratic Party faction in the Bundestag, Rolf Mützenich. According to him, the participation of representatives of the Russian Federation should be ensured at the next so-called peace summit.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 18:58 utc | 108

My last comment before sleeping for a bit was Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 15:55 utc | 50.
Username trolls since then. Things are obviously bad for Nato on the eastern front so the clowns double down on troll factories and controlling the narrative.
I guess its no coincidence that along with the massive ramp up of trolls since the start of the Kursk optical offensive we have also seen a crackdown on alternate news in the US with Ritter and now Johnson, both very influential due to their previous professions being hit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:00 utc | 109

When the other side knows that you are very strong and able to influence their society, which will not be happy with this war… If Russian society is in danger, if they live without comfort, without energy, like our people, they will understand the price of this war, they will not be happy and will start putting pressure on Putin

-elenskiy
shades of poroshenko. interesting that this kiev muppet talks about “their people”.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 15 2024 19:03 utc | 110

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 18:40 utc | 124
Forgive me if I’m reading you wrong here, but your view is that, following Bidens capitulation, there was a race between the pragmatists and the “war vampires coven” (great characterisation BTW) to capture Harris, and the pragmatists won. I’d agree with that, if so.
Still leaves the slight problem of getting Russia on-board with negotiations though, unless Harris can truly present herself as a “clean slate”, a break from the previous antagonisms.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 19:05 utc | 111

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 18:12 utc | 116
I’m sure you feel like a good samaritan or something but what you’re really trying to do now is just criminal.
MoA is b’s bar. You may set up your own bar somewhere but don’t try to hijack this one.

Posted by: Avtonom | Sep 15 2024 19:06 utc | 112

The Bundestag called for the earliest possible start of negotiations to resolve the conflict in Ukraine
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 18:58 utc | 132
Sarah Wagenknecht as head of the contact group would send a signal. Annalena Baerbock another.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 15 2024 19:08 utc | 113

SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
@simpatico771
⚡️🇺🇦Ukraine’s most feared drone warlord threatens Zelensky:
A serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the call sign “Madyar” openly and “without drama” threatens the Ukrainian government.
According to him, if someone negotiates with the Russian Federation “not in the interests of the Ukrainian people”, then a million fighters will return from the front and overthrow such a government.

https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1835381336145526789
Video with English subtitles at the link. Ukronazi who put out the video of Drones and a fridge full of gas canisters is not a happy chappy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:12 utc | 114

139 should have been blockquote not bold.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:13 utc | 115

The Russian Armed Forces cleared the village of Borki in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region from the UAF
Russian troops have cleared the village of Borki in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region of the enemy, the settlement has completely returned to Russian control. This was reported by the commander of the special forces “Akhmat” Major General Arti Alaudinov.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:13 utc | 116

138 is nothing to do with me, likely from Tichy who is attempting to derail not just this thread but the entire forum for his own nefarious purposes.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 15 2024 19:19 utc | 117

The latest apologia coming from Ukraine seems to be that Putin is somehow in trouble and will be overthrown. I suppose that since most all else about Ukraine is negative and can be confirmed, they have seized upon something that can’t be fleshed out or established as true. Nice and nebulous.
And how many troops does Ukraine in Kursk? 30K? 60K? My estimate of 21K lost might be low. They’ll hit 14K gone by Tuesday, I think.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 15 2024 19:20 utc | 118

RUSSIAN AIR DEFENCES SHOT DOWN 30 UKRAINIAN DRONES OVERNIGHT
The Russian military thwarted over the night of September 14 and 15 another Ukrainian attack on the territory of Russia, intercepting more than two dozen fixed-wing suicide drones.
In a statement, the Russian Ministry of Defense said that air defenses shot down 15 drones over the Bryansk region, five over the Kursk region, four over the Smolensk region, two over the Oryol region and one drone over each of the regions of Belgorod, Kaluga and Rostov.
The ministry announced in a later statement that an additional fixed-wing suicide drone was intercepted over the Ryazan region.
No casualties or material losses were reported in any of the targeted Russian regions, which indicates that the Ukrainian drone attack was a complete failure.
Also overnight, the Ukrainian Air Force alleged that the Russian military fired two ballistic missiles, one cruise missile and 14 Geran-type fixed-wing suicide drones into Ukraine.
The cruise missile and ten of the drones were shot down by air defenses, the air force claimed in a statement posted to its official channel on Telegram. Nevertheless, several large blasts were reported in Kharkiv and a number of other regions in Ukraine.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:20 utc | 119

The US State department troll infestation should not be completely discarded on how it relates to the topic. It is an indication things are really bad for the Ukrops. The purpose is obfuscation and chaos to hide ongoing events. This has been a theme for years and occurs during adverse events.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 19:22 utc | 120

couple minor points…Azov is now removed from USA terrorist list do cann now recieve USA weapons…maybegoung to be sabotage as rneir focus???
bout a week ago I posted from AussiaCossacck a list of arrested Defence Ministry senior level staff but no further news. However I saw in a commentators post yesterday quoting the latest two majors report that those arrests were confirmed in that.
Regarding the Blinken Lammy train trip from Poland to Kiev…how interesting it could be if the rail line eg bridge viaduct could have been missiled either on their inward or outward journey…just to make a point…..

Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 19:22 utc | 121

The US State department troll infestation should not be completely discarded on how it relates to the topic. It is an indication things are really bad for the Ukrops. The purpose is obfuscation and chaos to hide ongoing events. This has been a theme for years and occurs during adverse events.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 19:22 utc | 146
VERY CORRECT INDEED

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:24 utc | 122

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Artemivsk Direction: Successes of Russian Forces in the Kalynove and Klishchiivka Areas
Situation as of the end of September 15, 2024
In the Artemivsk direction, Russian forces are “biting into” the enemy’s defenses on several sections of the front. The Russian Armed Forces units managed to expand the control zone both in the area of Hryhorivka in the north and to the west of Klishchiivka.
▪️Russian forces pushed the AFU out of several positions north of Zaliznianske (Zaliznyanske), reviving the “frozen” section of the front. Given the geographical features of the terrain and information from our sources, we can say that at the moment the advance of Russian troops is significantly greater than what can be confirmed by the available footage.
▪️To the southwest of Hryhorivka, Russian assault troops made significant progress, taking control of the forest area and physically cutting off one of the roads leading to the village. The Russian Ministry of Defense also reported the liberation of the settlement, which, apparently, will be confirmed by relevant footage in the near future.
▪️To the south, Russian troops crossed the North Donetsk – Donbas canal and liberated a significant part of Kalynove, entrenching themselves in apartment buildings. The village became a site of fierce battles due to its importance for the AFU – the occupation of positions by the Russian Armed Forces in this area will allow them to launch an offensive to the south, bypassing the enemy’s defensive lines in the Oktyabrskyi district of Chasiv Yar.
❗️Russian assault troops are methodically clearing the positions of Ukrainian formations, using all available means for this. During one such operation, a Russian serviceman destroyed personnel at an AFU strongpoint equipped in a pipe under a railway bridge, throwing a backpack with an anti-tank mine inside.
Despite the certain danger of using anti-tank mines in this way, the tactic is becoming increasingly widespread among Russian assault groups.
▪️Northwest of Klishchiivka, the command of the Russian Armed Forces is conducting an offensive to dislodge the AFU from the left bank and advance with a wide front to the channel bed. In a series of battles in this area, Russian forces pushed Ukrainian formations out of several forest belts. Now they face the task of storming the enemy’s positions in the forest massif to the west, control of which is necessary for the crossing of the canal in several places.
▪️At the same time, the Russian Armed Forces regularly strike at the military infrastructure in the rear of the enemy. Yesterday, the Russian Aerospace Forces hit the territory of the car depot in Kostyantynivka. According to some reports, the facility was used as a repair base and a storage place for AFU equipment.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17724

Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2024 19:26 utc | 123

Russian specialists will be able to neutralize the effectiveness of the American “Hymars”
It has become known that some time ago Russian designers, engineers and other specialists received at their disposal a relatively intact warhead of ammunition for the M142 HIMARS and M270 MLRS launchers, which combine MLRS and OTRK. They have already begun a thorough study of the received sample.
The results of these studies may ultimately seriously reduce the effectiveness of using such weapons not only by the Ukrainian army, but also by other opponents of Russia. Moreover, they may not get off with just reputational losses.
The Russians got their hands on valuable microcircuits and stabilizers, because the warhead is where the technical processes responsible for the proper functioning of the entire munition take place. After all the components are extracted, they will undergo an in-depth analysis.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:26 utc | 124

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that Syrsky again removes units from the Kharkiv front and sends them to the Sumy region to continue the Kursk operation. Zelensky set the task to create a favorable background before traveling to the United States and continue the offensive on this front, now the Armed Forces of Ukraine must recoup the situation with the counterattack of the Russian army in any way and regain lost positions.

The Kursk show must continue until the US is drawn into direct conflict with Russia. At least, that is the Brit thinking.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:30 utc | 125

when thesaker site had troubles I seem to recall he reverted to some midifrog chat thingy? Am I right?
Why from tichy post go to a link he says it -ends up with some pervert chat rubbish????

Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 19:34 utc | 126

@135
Harris parroted neocon blither about sacred rules and norms securing Stalin’s borders confounded by Krushjev.
The Biden convention becomes the Harris war.
Trump is the one chance for empire to change.

Posted by: paddy | Sep 15 2024 19:36 utc | 127

Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:36 utc | 154
Is not mine

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:38 utc | 128

Konami,
Dein Englisch ist sehr gut.
Wo ist Posen jetz?

Posted by: Cavery | Sep 15 2024 19:43 utc | 129

Do not expect the air defense of your country to be better than that of Israel.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Yemen’s Houthis will pay a “heavy price” after a missile fired by the group landed in central Israel. (bbc)

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 15 2024 19:51 utc | 130

Russian Army Liberates Village of Darino in Kursk Region
The counteroffensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the Kursk region, which began several days ago, continues to bring tangible territorial successes.
The day before, it became known that the village of Tolsty Lug in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region had been liberated from the militants of the Kiev regime, and now there are reports that the nationalists have also been driven out of the settlement of Darino.
Moreover, according to unconfirmed information, the village of Nikolayevo-Daryino has also come under the control of the Russian military.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 18:54 utc | 129
The Russian Armed Forces cleared the village of Borki in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region from the UAF
Russian troops have cleared the village of Borki in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region of the enemy, the settlement has completely returned to Russian control. This was reported by the commander of the special forces “Akhmat” Major General Arti Alaudinov.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:13 utc | 141
The first post shows a consistent 12.5 km radius from border entry point (yes we’re back to initial epicenter) where AFU is being kicked out. The second is old news, expect Guevo to fall real soon and offer second wedge entry to H07.
Don’t care if others don’t like the image, AFU is being squeezed as a pimple, let blood and pus flow…

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 19:53 utc | 131

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:26 utc | 150
True, but both platforms are being replaced, so the impact will only directly affect the Ukrainian capability, but it will give Russian technicians a unique insight into Western capabilities. I’d think that finding out the ATACMS had laser gyroscopes was a salutary reminder that not all of the trillions invested by the US, in defence, was wasted.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 19:53 utc | 132

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 15 2024 15:21 utc | 42
slipping from the greedy grasp of those powerful Western corporate entities such as Blackrock, Monsanto and Cargill…along, most probably with Rottenchild dominated Rio Tinto Metals.
Without control of the soon to be liberated Donbass region; the longterm prospects for the Kiev coup regime are about to plunge down the Big Swirly.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
<=You could look at it another way.. The Russians just took over control of the profits and the oil and gas reserves western monopolist hoped to make selling to Europe western owned oil and gas. from the report "Geological features of Ukrainian shale formations promising for the presence of industrial unconventional hydrocarbon accumulations in connection with hydraulic fracturing"..<=note its date 1914 when was the Maiden coup? from the report summary, we read "The main [geological] prospects are in the Eastern oil and gas region (70% of resources) at Carboniferous sediments of Dnieper-Donets Basin, in the Western oil and gas region (17%) they are allocated in shale formations of Volyn-Podolia, in the Southern region (13%) - on Crimea peninsula and Preddobrudzhe foredeep [6]" "Two large international companies Shell and Chevron that received wide license blocks, have got permission for exploration and production of unconventional hydrocarbons and have already begun exploratory drilling." "Ukraine keeps the third position in Europe and the thirteenth in the world in resources of unconventional hydrocarbons."" "As far as Dnieper-Donets basin is the main hydrocarbon production region of Ukraine and contains 70 percent of unproved unconventional hydrocarbon resources, it is in the limelight of all those involved in the unconventional oil and gas industry including hydraulic fracturing industry that we decided to focus on. end of stuff from the report. " So does that mean the Russians are getting rich capturing Ukraine? Will Russia make Shell and Chevron oil and gas companies hand over there production sites in Ukraine to the Russians? I continue to believe the war in Ukraine, the destruction of NORDSTREAM II, the eviction of the Palestinians in Gaza are about oil and gas. The 2014 report shows just how gigantic the oil and gas and other minerals in the Ukraine are, and don't forget the vast resources found in 2014 in the Levantine Reserve just 12 miles off short to Gaza.. The $ value of the resources the West will lose if Ukraine fails to defeat Russia is potentially so big, it is no wonder the western profiteers have leaned on their governments to continue the support of Ukraine. Additionally BRICS is challenging the $USD hegemony, Palestinian resistance is challenging western control of the Middle East and Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 14:48 utc | 26 just posted a link which shows how vulnerable 18 western banks are to derivatives. WOW! It might be reasonable to say Russia has won WWIII even though the fighting is still going on in the Ukraine?

Posted by: snake | Sep 15 2024 19:54 utc | 133

Posted by: paddy | Sep 15 2024 19:36 utc | 153
I see it less of a change and more of a reset, before the Cold-War political legacies and trajectories are finally consigned to the place where they belong, the history books. Europe’s moving in the same direction, but typically in a lag-pursuit with idiosyncratic control inputs that are unsynchronised with the likely US movements, whilst the globalists are struggling to stop both countries old/new realignment.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:02 utc | 134

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:30 utc | 151
So which is first on the Russian menu, Kharkov, or Odessa?

Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:03 utc | 135

SIMPLICIUS Ѱ
@simpatico771
⚡️🇺🇦Ukraine’s most feared drone warlord threatens Zelensky:
A serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the call sign “Madyar” openly and “without drama” threatens the Ukrainian government.
According to him, if someone negotiates with the Russian Federation “not in the interests of the Ukrainian people”, then a million fighters will return from the front and overthrow such a government.
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1835381336145526789
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:12 utc | 139
This is another proof that Ukro society does not want peace.
They want to fight and die.
The war would last very long.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 15 2024 20:04 utc | 136

There are more and more suicide attacks by Ukro forces.
Soon, we shall directly see what I predicted long ago.
Ukraine is another ISIS.

Posted by: vargas | Sep 15 2024 20:08 utc | 137

It might be reasonable to say Russia has won WWIII even though the fighting is still going on in the Ukraine?
Posted by: snake | Sep 15 2024 19:54 utc | 160
Not even close, 25 years to go before we’re WWIII level. Too early by decades.
This is just foreplay. Second base no closer than 2030.

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:09 utc | 138

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:09 utc | 165
Optimist! https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Can’t see those numbers slowing down by 2030…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 20:12 utc | 139

SIMPLICIUS
@simpatico771
⚡️
According to him, if someone negotiates with the Russian Federation “not in the interests of the Ukrainian people”, then a million fighters will return from the front and overthrow such a government.
https://x.com/simpatico771/status/1835381336145526789
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:12 utc | 139
Fuck me! A million? He has the secret to raise ZOMBIES, only way he’s getting a million AFU back is if he gets some tonton macoute vodoo priest to make zombies out of corpses 😀
Sorry, had a fitof nostalgia, papa doc … good times
Now in haiti if someone raises the dead they probably get eaten along with cats, dogs and rats

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:14 utc | 140

Optimist! https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Can’t see those numbers slowing down by 2030…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 20:12 utc | 166
Debt only becomes a problem when creditors won’t take it.
Foreign debt is short of 30%
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/08/the-federal-government-has-borrowed-trillions-but-who-owns-all-that-debt
The problem will be domestic before it goes global

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:17 utc | 141

I hate to say it my fellow barflies but there is little chance Russia wins WWIII. The might of the evil West is too strong and the Russian chain of command is riddled with bad actors and corruption.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 15 2024 20:14 utc | 168
Should win WWIII, WWIV is another subject.
By century end we might get a replay of 13.000 BP/11.000 BCE … maybe yes, maybe no, but a major one nevertheless.
But right now it’s just a ruffle

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:21 utc | 142

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:17 utc | 169
Apologise for my old-fashioned outlook, but it always used to be that debt became a problem when the debtor could no longer afford the repayments.
Printer is coming…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 20:27 utc | 143

Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:03 utc | 162
For the kinetic war in Ukraine, Russian strategy to date has been simple. Keep pressure on all areas while the larger ‘Lavrov’s hybrid war’ does its stuff.
The actual ending of the conflict will I think involve a walk in walk out deal. Nato leaves, Russia enters. That’s the point we are just about at now. To continue, Nato must escalate and they are in a bit of a quandary about that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 20:29 utc | 144

Dima:
-something is brewing in Kamyanske/Zaporozhye direction
-AFU counter-attack in the village north of Ugledar repulsed, RUAF artillery now in range of Bohohyavlenka
-RUAF improve flanks around Ukrainsk, AFU sending more troops into Ukrainsk. RUAF might be allowing AFU to send these troops to finally bag more during the final battles of Ukrainsk
-Move further west of Kleschevka across the river, and NE of Chasov Yar where attempts to take the final AFU stronghold on the east bank of the river
-Pischane flower blooming along Oskil river, stretching the AFU front here
-Kursk: the line seems to have stabilized to Lyubimovka, RUAF controlling west and AFU east side, the fight for Lyubimovka
-AFU has been unable to move past Veseloe and not even take control of it, earlier reports of AFU being able to take Veseloe were speculation/wishful thinking
-Houthi hypersonic missile strike in Israel is a message to the US – if they allow Ukraine to strike deep in Russia, Russia/Iran will lift all restrictions regarding any type of weapons, including hypersonic weapons on US ships and bases everywhere in the world

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 20:29 utc | 145

From Telegram:
Kyiv boasts footage of the attack on a school in the village of Vesyoloye, Glushkovsky district, Kursk region.
The strike was carried out by a guided American GBU-39 SDB/JDAM-ER air bomb.

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:31 utc | 146

@ Milites, §159:
“Laser gyroscopes”?
How do they work?
Light has no inertia.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 15 2024 20:32 utc | 147

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:31 utc | 174
The bomb strike was on Dima’s video, and proof AFU is not controlling the village.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 20:33 utc | 148

Ukraine forces in Kursk are gaining land in the Glushkovsky district:
Report from the border
Glushkovsky district, Kursk region.
The operational and combat situation remains tense.
Heavy fighting is underway. The enemy managed to enter the village of Vesyoloye, they are trying to consolidate. The villages of Novy Put, Obukhovka, Medvezhye are behind the enemy. Units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to pull reserves through the village of Novy Put, they are trying to expand the bridgehead to ensure access to the Glushkovo railway station and to the workers’ settlement itself. The enemy is acting in small armored groups, entering under the cover of smoke and electronic warfare. The enemy is also actively fighting with our reconnaissance UAVs. Artillery is working on both sides, aviation is working on our side.

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:34 utc | 149

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:31 utc | 174
And who exactly is in school on a Sunday? More Ukrainian waste of scarce missile resources.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 20:35 utc | 150

Russian soldiers said they only learned to fight correctly by fighting with American mercenaries
Call sign “Combo” – a serviceman of the Volunteer Corps “Livadia” – on how to organize the training of new fighters in the SVO zone:
“In the battles near Popasnaya, the most problems were caused by American mercenaries.
In the Popasnya direction, we encountered a professional army that knew how to kill well.
By killing the enemy, we acquired a backbone.
New fighters were taught from their own bitter experience, gained in battles with American mercenaries and nationalists from the Edelweiss battalion. What is written in books about war and reality are very different.
I want the fighters to receive knowledge before getting to war and not to get their bumps and die.
Fighters from the DPR and LPR were more experienced than instructors who had been through Syria. Military instructors should constantly travel to the SVO zone, the war changes every day.”

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:37 utc | 151

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 15 2024 20:32 utc | 175
Two coils of glass fiber. In one fiber laser light goes clockwise, in the other counter-clockwise. Interference between the light coming out of the fiber.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 15 2024 20:37 utc | 152

Forgive me if I’m reading you wrong here, but your view is that, following Bidens capitulation, there was a race between the pragmatists and the “war vampires coven” (great characterisation BTW) to capture Harris, and the pragmatists won. I’d agree with that, ***
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 19:05 utc | 135
Not exactly and apologies – I write with much idiom and riddles sometimes.
I start from the assumption Harris captured (way too much agreeableness in her personality to be an effective negotiator). But by who?
The seachange signal was the Sept 3 interview by Nuland that undercut those foggy bottom that have delusions of a grand strategy to weaken Russia (A bunch of Millenials and younger that are infected with the mind virus of a postmodern education). So until 9/3 they were dealt with as usual – let’s see how you do with that idea. This is the war vampire coven in the State Department.
Nuland’s interview repudiated that tolerance. Why? This is positioning Harris to be the super intelligent leader that can usher in peace. Hints about negotiation abound in the US MSM. This represents the Pentagon/CIA reasoning in the ascendancy. They want to pull this off in October in my estimation. I dont think the facts or reality will cooperate but who am i?
In the meantime, Trump is being tagged as a surrender artist. The Harris profile is so low on this Ukraine issue, Trump has nothing rhetorically to shoot at. So she will continue to lay basement low and let the blame fall on a very pissed off Biden (he looks pretty good in a MAGA hat BTW).
Who ordered Nuland? We will never know, but it sure feels like the Chicago way.
The Biden capitulation on targeting in the past few days was inevitable. That decision was made before 9/3.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 20:41 utc | 153

@171
The US’ not independent central bank, aka the ‘federal reserve’ is not supporting the “value” of the US dollar.
If is now a servant of the US government’s fiscal promiscuity!
Inflation is not low enough to justify rate cuts, personal expenditures are not receding, and reported (not worthy of trust) GDP is positive.
The US government’s exploding debt cannot stand solid interest rates!

Posted by: paddy | Sep 15 2024 20:42 utc | 154

Storm Shadow in a teacup:
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/pZwy8iQtBAH9UxX6/?mibextid=WC7FNe

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 20:43 utc | 155

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:34 utc | 177
To dream the impossible dream…!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 15 2024 20:45 utc | 156

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 20:41 utc | 181
Looks like Trump has been quite literally ‘targeted’ again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rllnd1pypo
The PTB are, it seems, visibly shaking.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:46 utc | 157

Only mood of a popular uprising will force USUK and Z himself to seriously try for a ceasefire.
Hope disobedience sign increase.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 15 2024 18:18 utc | 117
Looking at those recruitment videos, I’d say that is an increasingly realistic possibility. I’m with any Ukrainian who resists the Zermak regime.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 15 2024 20:48 utc | 158

Posted by: AI_Revenger | Sep 15 2024 13:21 utc | 2
Yes, I had suspected that as usual since time of Syrian and Donbass fights, President Putin has NO stamina to do active fighting for even a week.Never.
Putin is making this excuse and that excuse about nuking or not nuking his real enemies but he has not dared to say that he will annihilate the despicable pirate race of English parasites inside England-the main villain of the world

Posted by: Sam | Sep 15 2024 20:51 utc | 159

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @118: “…more pragmatic assessments of the Pentagon/CIA…”
The Pentagon pragmatic? To a degree.
The CIA pragmatic? Nonsense! They are the farthest thing from pragmatic. They are literal psychopaths. Literally.
Who recruits, pays, arms, and trains death squads? Think ISIS and the ones in Latin America, Indonesia, the Ukraine, Chechnya, and so on. Was that the Pentagon or the CIA and their helpers in the US State Department? Was Christopher Stevens, who was overseeing the creation of ISIS in Libya, CIA or Pentagon? Is it the Pentagon or the CIA that regularly conducts/attempts assassinations around the world? When the forces backed by the Pentagon and the CIA fought in Syria, which side was working with nominally legitimate military troops and which was behind the psycho-killer headchoppers?
The US military will grit their teeth and follow orders to support the CIA, but there is no love between the two. For all of its faults, the US military tries to be legitimate and respectable. The CIA exists to be filthy and despicable, and they achieve it.
frithguild @124: “…natural alignment for banking and finance would be Pentagon/CIA (procurement, etc.). These interests are more grounded in reality…”
Nonsense in so many ways. First of all, putting the Pentagon and the CIA on the same level is ridiculous. While the Pentagon has problems with corruption, the CIA can never be corrupted because they were created and exist to be raw and unfettered corruption to begin with. The CIA cannot descend deeper into depravity and villainy because they already define evil’s ultimate form. The Pentagon commits crimes against humanity, but at least they have the minimal human decency to be ashamed of it.
Second, finance capitalism is absolutely not grounded in reality. In fact, finance capitalists are the most divorced from reality. Their “reality” is just numbers in ledgers, and these days those ledgers are not even physical, but instead are just digital bits in a database. Manufacturing and real estate capitalists are far more grounded in reality because the source of their wealth is tangible; it exists in the real and physical world… they can touch it.
No, the “realists” that Peter AU1 refers to are the manufacturing and real estate capitalists, and their faction in the US government is the Pentagon. The bat-shit crazy freaks driving us towards Armageddon are the finance capitalists, the CIA, and the biggest part of the Establishment, much of which has been captured by the CIA.
It amazes me how some people are getting this so completely bass ackwards… almost like they are trying to obfuscate the real source of evil in the world.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 20:53 utc | 160

Dima:
-something is brewing in Kamyanske/Zaporozhye direction
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 20:29 utc | 173
Am I a witch? Yesterday or something I mentioned a drive up the E105 to cut the retreat of AFU east of dnieper.
Today someone mentions Kamyanske/Zaporozhye?
That would be what I meant weeks ago as no exit south of Dnipro.
And what I said yesterday about a drive up the E105.
Couriouser and couriouser…

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:54 utc | 161

Russian bombers are currently simulating targeting of targets in continental US. Reminder that Russian bombers do not need to leave Russian airspace to hit targets in US due to extremely long range missiles.
https://x.com/MonitorX99800/status/1835391949576065089

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 20:59 utc | 162

If anyone would like to join us at the troll-free IRC channel for mature discussion, you can download the latest version of IRC here . Alternatively, if you already have IRC, please click #moonofalabama to join us. Moderated and no trolls allowed.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 18:27 utc | 120
That’s not me. Beware.

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 21:00 utc | 163

BREAKING….ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON TRUMP!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 21:01 utc | 164

IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a primitive system that people gave up on because it is so full of bots and scriptkiddies and has no security at all. Don’t even think about it.

Posted by: Retired Morlock | Sep 15 2024 21:01 utc | 165

Live Now
Link

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 21:03 utc | 166

No. Was caught before he could get a shot in… in custody now

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 21:10 utc | 167

Milites
War…
I guess Art of War and On War are considered something in the line of military bibles. Perhaps not the right term, but they cover a broad range. War as an extension of politics type thing.
As we see with the Russia ‘Nato’ conflict, Russia only went to war – ‘military technical means’- when all attempts at diplomacy over several decades had failed/fallen on deaf ears.
Always there are strengths and weaknesses on each side, especially when they are not fully fledged warrior states/cultures – which comprises most nation states.
The weaknesses are not good for the soldier on the ground who is getting his butt shot off, but on the larger view, its a matter of whether the strengths outweigh the weaknesses.
Which areas to concentrate on…. Russia has all the bread and butter items plus the high end stuff. The real deficit I have seen on the Russian side is at the start of the SMO when Nato had drone corrected artillery and Russia did not.
Russia has the manufacturing power plus up to date serious hardware that works. Nato has little production capacity but is high on ‘ideas’ and nic nacs.
Nato is also hemmed in by Russia’s up to date strategic arsenal. Fools say Russia should have done more back in 2014. Russia would not make a move other than mild blocking moves in first Crimea then Syria untill the next gen strategic arsenal was deployed. That I think is one of the most important factors in what we are seeing. NATO of course being US/UK with a few rabid camp followers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:11 utc | 168

It seems that some parts of US establishment are afraid of Russia.
So I was wrong to say that nobody was afraid of Russia..

Posted by: vargas | Sep 15 2024 21:11 utc | 169

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 20:53 utc | 188
I think many of us here already understand. From my perspective, I sometimes drop into admittedly clumsy shorthand to try and avoid my posts ending up looking like one of @shadowbanned’s not-so-epic epistles.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 21:15 utc | 170

IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a primitive system that people gave up on because it is so full of bots and scriptkiddies and has no security at all. Don’t even think about it.
Posted by: Retired Morlock | Sep 15 2024 21:01 utc | 193
You mean, unlike Discord which is literally controlled by the CIA? Okay. I was at a pro-Russian discord a couple of years ago. The whole channel was shut down and we were all banned. Anyone can run an IRC server.

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 21:15 utc | 171

Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:07 utc | 195
Again not mine. Sent b an email earlier listing the times the user troll hasd used my my name. Suggest others do the same as it is obvious a lot have been targeted.
This stuff is at is worst in what would be the timezone for US/Canada Atlantic time

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:17 utc | 172

BREAKING….ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON TRUMP!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 21:01 utc | 192
Well its certainly not Russians that are trying to “influence” the election by assassinating Trump. More likely Ukronazi sympathisers I would say!

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 15 2024 21:27 utc | 173

reading simplicius substack from a couple days ago….Ukraine revealedthat 70% of energy systems were damaged…in harsh conditions (note recent IMF ordered increased costs of services taxes etc)millions might try to leave as refugees ..but how…is it not illegal for certain age groups to leave so borders would have to be guarded ..the ill and elderly might find it too difficult….but is this why Russia does not target travel routes to exits so that an exodus could occur???

Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 21:34 utc | 174

“It’s clear that the impostors are trying to shut the forum down and make people leave. This won’t work. However I have already suggested IRC as a working supplement. Libera, #moonofalabama. I’m there now.”
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 18:12 utc | 116
“I’m sure you feel like a good samaritan or something but what you’re really trying to do now is just criminal.”
“MoA is b’s bar. You may set up your own bar somewhere but don’t try to hijack this one.”
Posted by: Avtonom | Sep 15 2024 19:06 utc | 136
I second that motion.
If ‘b’ wanted a Lieutenant he would have appointed one when he had his operation-for whatever reason he didn’t do it, it’s his way -kindly please respect the man and his blog..
It’s his ‘baby’ not yours ,as Avtonon said, and it would be Intellectual Kidnapping (TM) of a Platform would be the criminal charge.
You want to help ,’b’? Be generous next time he asked for a capital contribution.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 15 2024 21:35 utc | 175

It’s his ‘baby’ not yours ,as Avtonon said, and it would be Intellectual Kidnapping (TM) of a Platform would be the criminal charge.
You want to help ,’b’? Be generous next time he asked for a capital contribution.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 15 2024 21:35 utc | 204
That’s nonsense. Please, try to charge me criminally. I dare you. All I did was to suggest a way people could stay in contact if this forum was brought down by cyberattacks.

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 21:40 utc | 176

frithguild @124: “…natural alignment for banking and finance would be Pentagon/CIA (procurement, etc.). These interests are more grounded in reality…”
Nonsense in so many ways. First of all, putting the Pentagon and the CIA on the same level is ridiculous.
***
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 20:53 utc | 188
I think you are missing my context. The neocon/war vampire coven exist mainly in foggy bottom (euphemism for the State Department) and their escalation advice seems not to be the order of the day.
On the other side are those who will act on a more realistic assessment (Than foggy bottom) of the chances for success of Ukraine policy. As I see it, this other side is Pentagon/CIA, whose proxies and leakers today are discussing negotiated peace, as I have discussed today previously.
George Beebe, a former director of CIA’s Russia analysis, told Newsweek that providing Ukraine with the use of long-range missiles would do more harm than good.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2024/09/15/jfk-jr-warns-biden-not-to-approve-long-range-missiles-for-ukraine-n2644786#google_vignette
If I were to follow your argument to conclusion there could be no difference in the policy preferences between agencies because they all are just too reprehensible, when there is.

Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 21:41 utc | 177

“Scott Ritter is influential for all the wrong reasons. If someone does a simple search they find out that he is a registered sex offender …”
Posted by: The Kaker | Sep 15 2024 19:20 utc | 143
Scott was set up by the FBI, in the sex thing , that has been quite evident to anyone paying attention. As for the drug use, well most of us drink alcohol here at the bar , I smoke pot regularly and when one of my old buddies show up I do some Peruvian marching men-so what?
You probably are here for a different interest than gathering knowledge, learning something and spreading your own ideas or you have an agenda.
I give you the benefit of the doubt I will know which entity you are when you reply.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 15 2024 21:43 utc | 178

Alex Krainer…James Rickard for doom news economy USA UK….let alone recent Office Budget Responsibiliy re UK couple days ago.
let alone Michael Hudson Richard Wolff Steve Keen etc

Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 21:43 utc | 179

canuck | Sep 15 2024 21:35 utc | 204
My thought also.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:44 utc | 180

https://swentr.site/
For the commenter having difficulty seeing RT.

Posted by: Kaiama | Sep 15 2024 21:59 utc | 181

Vladimir Putin
“ Help Comrades! My Kursk-hole is bleeding from the Ukronazi pounding.”
It’s dick blood. The arse was stuffed with broken glass
(Frigging in the rigging style)

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:01 utc | 182

“That’s not me. Beware.”
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 21:00 utc | 191
I retract my earlier statement .
my apologies

Posted by: canuck | Sep 15 2024 22:07 utc | 183

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 21:15 utc | 199
Meant to say it yesterday but I plan on stealing your line
“Nato makes war like a community centre committee” just brilliant. Sorry but it is definitely stealable

Posted by: watcher | Sep 15 2024 22:07 utc | 184

“Couriouser and couriouser…”
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:54 utc | 189
Without prior permission-Riffing off your allusion to Lewis Carroll’s Opus-A comment between two participants in the last years Davos conference was picked up by the mike-it was a meeting of an NGO big wig and a CEO of a huge defense contractor:
“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” the NGO director remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the CEO: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said the NGO director.
“You must be,” said the CEO , “or you wouldn’t have come here.”

Posted by: canuck | Sep 15 2024 22:17 utc | 185

Looks like the frantic Brits are isolated in their obsession with NATO storm shadow missile strikes in Russia.
The U.S. don’t want this. Nor do Germany, or Italy, or even France.
UK gout-ridden grandees including even old Tories are chuffing loudly like spoiled brat children demanding their missile strikes. Britain are climbing further and further out on a limb on this issue.
Alexander Mercouris discusses this in today’s video:
https://youtu.be/ttlg1cVGAXA?si=FdKMl0Wf7T3HLmiO
The U.K. tried to “bounce” the Americans into acquiescing to their truculent demands and that went as well as could be expected. They ran into a brick wall of US refusal – apparently coming largely from Nat Security Jake Sullivan.
Die hard Brits are arguing that they should go it alone but this is a forlorn hope since – as the Russians completely jam GPS, storm shadow missiles require an alternative US navigation system to operate as guided as opposed to unguided missiles.
Britain’s antics regarding their storm shadow missiles will simply clarify for all to see the fact that while most nations’ who are combating Russia do so based on geopolitical calculations, the Brits are overwhelmed by their Russophobic racist loathing to the exclusion of any logical thought. Where this all leads is going to be very funny, a tragicomedy for cesspit UK but quite entertaining for the rest of us.
All a big storm shadow in a teacup?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/GJpyWT4FxeKi57ZH/?mibextid=WC7FNe

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:21 utc | 186

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @199
Apologies then. You’ve never struck me as a troll.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 22:26 utc | 187

“Couriouser and couriouser…”
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:54 utc | 189
Without prior permission-Riffing off your allusion to Lewis Carroll’s Opus-A comment between two participants in the last years Davos conference was picked up by the mike-it was a meeting of an NGO big wig and a CEO of a huge defense contractor:
“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” the NGO director remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the CEO: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said the NGO director.
“You must be,” said the CEO , “or you wouldn’t have come here.”
Posted by: canuck | Sep 15 2024 22:17 utc | 214
Screw Alice! What I meant was that closing the E105 before bombing the the bridges across the dnieper would be end game, 500k+ stuck beyond a river they can’t cross.
DUnkirk was nothing compared to this.
Add chernikov and one or two pivots (like an N15 wedge) and we might be back to major movements and huge numbers.
Who talked about huge numbers of KIA when routed troops run away?

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 22:31 utc | 188

Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:21 utc | 215
Storm Shadow uses terrain tracking guidance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 22:32 utc | 189

I retract my earlier statement .
my apologies
Posted by: canuck | Sep 15 2024 22:07 utc | 212
Np.

Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 22:34 utc | 190

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @199
Apologies then. You’ve never struck me as a troll.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 22:26 utc | 216
Unless there’s a handle hijack, neither of you is.
But things have gone a bit sideways and it looks like the budget for the long range missiles ended up available for MOA trolling.
Hang tight, it will get worse before they quit.

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 22:34 utc | 191

Andrew Sarchus @ 215:
“… Where this all leads is going to be very funny, a tragicomedy for cesspit UK but quite entertaining for the rest of us …”
As the British have lost the ability to produce situation comedies of Fawlty Towers quality, or indeed any comedy, and can only churn out softcore propaganda garbage of Downton Abbey tedium set in the 1930s or 1950s (periods when the working classes supposedly knew their place or had been crushed by global depression or war) and BBC fictions about the Skripals or Alexander Litvinenko being poisoned by Russian agents, all the UK can now offer to entertain us is real-life tragicomic farce in its declining politics, military or monarchy. That would have to be the biggest laugh of all for the rest of us.
Shi-i-it … that means we Aussies will be going down with them too … now that’s an even bigger laugh!

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2024 22:35 utc | 192

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:21 utc | 215
Andrew, Scott Ritter on yesterday MOATS with GG said that we were spared the nuclear conflagration when “Biden” refused sir kier his wish for LR attack on Russia. I don’t think it was a storm in a teacup, some balance of utility values at the moment is barely pushing the scales for denying what starmer wants, but in the future, who knows…

Posted by: Boo | Sep 15 2024 22:41 utc | 193

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:21 utc | 215
Looks like the frantic Brits are isolated in their obsession with NATO storm shadow missile strikes in Russia.
The U.S. don’t want this. Nor do Germany, or Italy, or even France.
UK gout-ridden grandees including even old Tories are chuffing loudly like spoiled brat children demanding their missile strikes. Britain are climbing further and further out on a limb on this issue.

Absolutely, and I’ve been wondering for why this is so. I believe that systems try to act rationally in such affairs. I know it’s not always true but I dislike “they’re batshit insane” as the default explanation. Instead, an entire class can share a misconception about power distribution and make rational (from their own POV) but bad decisions.
Ok, so why is the entire UK ruling class so belligerent? It’s obvious they’re punching way about their country’s weight class. The explanations I can come up with are all lackluster. Militarily, the Brits are weak.
1. Phantom pains from a lost empire? Sounds far-fetched to me. Similar for Crimea 1853 pt2.
2. Trying to goad big daddy US into a hot war? Could make sense but what then?
3. Throwing Poland/Balts/Finns into the pot but stopping short of WW3? Perhaps just that.
I get that the finance capitalists (and London is one of their centers) are mad and sad about almost getting Russia’s riches, twice (first time during the Yeltsin stint, the Russian oligarchs still in the UK are proof of that phase; second during the “sanctions from hell” which I think they believed to cripple Russia economically). But when you’re losing a war, especially a proxy war, it’s Imperialism 101 to walk back, lick wounds and prepare the next round. I can see a US faction aiming for that. Is the UK?
Part of rational decision-making is not only what you can gain (here, subdue Russia as a strategic enemy and ideally split it up) but also what you can lose. I know that sunken-cost fallacy can be a problem even for institutions (single humans are really bad at this) but people have lost wars before.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 15 2024 22:44 utc | 194

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2024 22:35 utc | 221
Just for producing that negrolatric simulacrum Bridgerton, BBC deserves its own Russian nuke.

Posted by: Boo | Sep 15 2024 22:44 utc | 195

Konami | Sep 15 2024 22:44 utc | 223
Schools will play into it a lot. Not so much the schools for the ordinary people but the elite schools.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 22:47 utc | 196

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 15 2024 21:27 utc | 202

Given many of the suspect’s past tweets, you aren’t wrong, he indeed is, among other things.

Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 15 2024 22:49 utc | 197

BREAKING….ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON TRUMP!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 21:01 utc | 192
Well its certainly not Russians that are trying to “influence” the election by assassinating Trump. More likely Ukronazi sympathisers I would say!
Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 15 2024 21:27 utc | 202
doesnt surprise the ukes would want to asasinate the trump!

Posted by: Fyador | Sep 15 2024 22:54 utc | 198

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 22:47 utc | 225
Schools will play into it a lot. Not so much the schools for the ordinary people but the elite schools.

True, they grow up with an entirely different world view and belief system.
But the same is true for Netanjahu, Smotrich, Ben-Gvir: I think their decisions can lead to the dissolution of the state Israel but I think I have an idea for why they’re doing what they do. (And the reasons are different for Netanjahu vs. Smotrich/Ben-Gvir IMO.) But in the Israel establishment there are various more rational voices (Gantz, for example) — all of them are happy with apartheid and genocide too but they want to reduce the risks that may lead to fiasco.
From the UK I don’t hear any of those saner voices (they must exist but seemingly not in the upper echelons). It’s a mystery to me. Even if Starmer is 100% an asset and the decisions aren’t his, that doesn’t solve the problem for me: *someone* is making those decisions. As Andrew said, *even* France and Germany have some top brass speaking up for realism.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 15 2024 23:00 utc | 199

Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 22:32 utc | 218
“Storm Shadow uses terrain tracking guidance.”
I was meaning to ask Milites about this when he mentioned ‘plausible deniablity’ regarding NATO targeting. Is it realistic for the Banderites to create their own TERCOM data for a NATO system?

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Sep 15 2024 23:02 utc | 200