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September 15, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-220
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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*** Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 18:40 utc | 101 It’s clear that the impostors are trying to shut the forum down and make people leave. This won’t work. However I have already suggested IRC as a working supplement. Libera, #moonofalabama. I’m there now. Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 15 2024 18:51 utc | 102 I think the recent influx of emotional, aggressive trolling is inversely proportional to Ukraine’s fighting strength. It’s irritating, but I’d say a good sign over all. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 15 2024 18:52 utc | 103 If anyone would like to join us at the troll-free IRC channel for mature discussion, you can download the latest version of IRC here . Alternatively, if you already have IRC, please click #moonofalabama to join us. Moderated and no trolls allowed. Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 15 2024 18:52 utc | 104 Excuse me. Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 15 2024 18:53 utc | 105 Russian Army Liberates Village of Darino in Kursk Region Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 18:54 utc | 106 @ PeterAU1, §47: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 15 2024 18:55 utc | 107 The Bundestag called for the earliest possible start of negotiations to resolve the conflict in Ukraine Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 18:58 utc | 108 My last comment before sleeping for a bit was Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 15:55 utc | 50. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:00 utc | 109
-elenskiy Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 15 2024 19:03 utc | 110 Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 18:40 utc | 124 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 19:05 utc | 111 Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 18:12 utc | 116 Posted by: Avtonom | Sep 15 2024 19:06 utc | 112 The Bundestag called for the earliest possible start of negotiations to resolve the conflict in Ukraine Posted by: Passerby | Sep 15 2024 19:08 utc | 113 SIMPLICIUS Ѱ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:12 utc | 114 The Russian Armed Forces cleared the village of Borki in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region from the UAF Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:13 utc | 116 138 is nothing to do with me, likely from Tichy who is attempting to derail not just this thread but the entire forum for his own nefarious purposes. Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 15 2024 19:19 utc | 117 The latest apologia coming from Ukraine seems to be that Putin is somehow in trouble and will be overthrown. I suppose that since most all else about Ukraine is negative and can be confirmed, they have seized upon something that can’t be fleshed out or established as true. Nice and nebulous. Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 15 2024 19:20 utc | 118 RUSSIAN AIR DEFENCES SHOT DOWN 30 UKRAINIAN DRONES OVERNIGHT Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:20 utc | 119 The US State department troll infestation should not be completely discarded on how it relates to the topic. It is an indication things are really bad for the Ukrops. The purpose is obfuscation and chaos to hide ongoing events. This has been a theme for years and occurs during adverse events. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 19:22 utc | 120 couple minor points…Azov is now removed from USA terrorist list do cann now recieve USA weapons…maybegoung to be sabotage as rneir focus??? Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 19:22 utc | 121 The US State department troll infestation should not be completely discarded on how it relates to the topic. It is an indication things are really bad for the Ukrops. The purpose is obfuscation and chaos to hide ongoing events. This has been a theme for years and occurs during adverse events. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:24 utc | 122
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17724 Posted by: Down South | Sep 15 2024 19:26 utc | 123 Russian specialists will be able to neutralize the effectiveness of the American “Hymars” Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:26 utc | 124
The Kursk show must continue until the US is drawn into direct conflict with Russia. At least, that is the Brit thinking. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:30 utc | 125 when thesaker site had troubles I seem to recall he reverted to some midifrog chat thingy? Am I right? Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 19:34 utc | 126 @135 Posted by: paddy | Sep 15 2024 19:36 utc | 127 Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:36 utc | 154 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:38 utc | 128 Konami, Posted by: Cavery | Sep 15 2024 19:43 utc | 129 Do not expect the air defense of your country to be better than that of Israel.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 15 2024 19:51 utc | 130 Russian Army Liberates Village of Darino in Kursk Region Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 19:53 utc | 131 Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 19:26 utc | 150 Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 19:53 utc | 132 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 15 2024 15:21 utc | 42 Posted by: snake | Sep 15 2024 19:54 utc | 133 Posted by: paddy | Sep 15 2024 19:36 utc | 153 Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:02 utc | 134 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 19:30 utc | 151 Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:03 utc | 135 SIMPLICIUS Ѱ Posted by: vargas | Sep 15 2024 20:04 utc | 136 There are more and more suicide attacks by Ukro forces. Posted by: vargas | Sep 15 2024 20:08 utc | 137 It might be reasonable to say Russia has won WWIII even though the fighting is still going on in the Ukraine? Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:09 utc | 138 Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:09 utc | 165 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 20:12 utc | 139 SIMPLICIUS Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:14 utc | 140 Optimist! https://www.usdebtclock.org/ Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:17 utc | 141 I hate to say it my fellow barflies but there is little chance Russia wins WWIII. The might of the evil West is too strong and the Russian chain of command is riddled with bad actors and corruption. Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:21 utc | 142 Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:17 utc | 169 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 20:27 utc | 143 Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:03 utc | 162 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 20:29 utc | 144 Dima: Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 20:29 utc | 145 From Telegram: Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:31 utc | 146 @ Milites, §159: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 15 2024 20:32 utc | 147 Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:31 utc | 174 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 20:33 utc | 148 Ukraine forces in Kursk are gaining land in the Glushkovsky district: Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:34 utc | 149 Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:31 utc | 174 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 20:35 utc | 150 Russian soldiers said they only learned to fight correctly by fighting with American mercenaries Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:37 utc | 151 Posted by: John Marks | Sep 15 2024 20:32 utc | 175 Posted by: Passerby | Sep 15 2024 20:37 utc | 152 Forgive me if I’m reading you wrong here, but your view is that, following Bidens capitulation, there was a race between the pragmatists and the “war vampires coven” (great characterisation BTW) to capture Harris, and the pragmatists won. I’d agree with that, *** Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 20:41 utc | 153 @171 Posted by: paddy | Sep 15 2024 20:42 utc | 154 Storm Shadow in a teacup: Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 20:43 utc | 155 Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 15 2024 20:34 utc | 177 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 15 2024 20:45 utc | 156 Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 20:41 utc | 181 Posted by: Milites | Sep 15 2024 20:46 utc | 157 Only mood of a popular uprising will force USUK and Z himself to seriously try for a ceasefire. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 15 2024 20:48 utc | 158 Posted by: AI_Revenger | Sep 15 2024 13:21 utc | 2 Posted by: Sam | Sep 15 2024 20:51 utc | 159 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @118: “…more pragmatic assessments of the Pentagon/CIA…” Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 20:53 utc | 160 Dima: Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 20:54 utc | 161 Russian bombers are currently simulating targeting of targets in continental US. Reminder that Russian bombers do not need to leave Russian airspace to hit targets in US due to extremely long range missiles. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 15 2024 20:59 utc | 162 If anyone would like to join us at the troll-free IRC channel for mature discussion, you can download the latest version of IRC here . Alternatively, if you already have IRC, please click #moonofalabama to join us. Moderated and no trolls allowed. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 21:00 utc | 163 IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a primitive system that people gave up on because it is so full of bots and scriptkiddies and has no security at all. Don’t even think about it. Posted by: Retired Morlock | Sep 15 2024 21:01 utc | 165 No. Was caught before he could get a shot in… in custody now Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 15 2024 21:10 utc | 167 Milites Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:11 utc | 168 It seems that some parts of US establishment are afraid of Russia. Posted by: vargas | Sep 15 2024 21:11 utc | 169 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 20:53 utc | 188 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 21:15 utc | 170 IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a primitive system that people gave up on because it is so full of bots and scriptkiddies and has no security at all. Don’t even think about it. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 21:15 utc | 171 Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:07 utc | 195 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:17 utc | 172 BREAKING….ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON TRUMP! Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 15 2024 21:27 utc | 173 reading simplicius substack from a couple days ago….Ukraine revealedthat 70% of energy systems were damaged…in harsh conditions (note recent IMF ordered increased costs of services taxes etc)millions might try to leave as refugees ..but how…is it not illegal for certain age groups to leave so borders would have to be guarded ..the ill and elderly might find it too difficult….but is this why Russia does not target travel routes to exits so that an exodus could occur??? Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 21:34 utc | 174 “It’s clear that the impostors are trying to shut the forum down and make people leave. This won’t work. However I have already suggested IRC as a working supplement. Libera, #moonofalabama. I’m there now.” It’s his ‘baby’ not yours ,as Avtonon said, and it would be Intellectual Kidnapping (TM) of a Platform would be the criminal charge. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 21:40 utc | 176 frithguild @124: “…natural alignment for banking and finance would be Pentagon/CIA (procurement, etc.). These interests are more grounded in reality…” Posted by: frithguild | Sep 15 2024 21:41 utc | 177 “Scott Ritter is influential for all the wrong reasons. If someone does a simple search they find out that he is a registered sex offender …” Alex Krainer…James Rickard for doom news economy USA UK….let alone recent Office Budget Responsibiliy re UK couple days ago. Posted by: Jo | Sep 15 2024 21:43 utc | 179 canuck | Sep 15 2024 21:35 utc | 204 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 21:44 utc | 180 https://swentr.site/ Posted by: Kaiama | Sep 15 2024 21:59 utc | 181 Vladimir Putin Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:01 utc | 182 “That’s not me. Beware.” Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 15 2024 21:15 utc | 199 Posted by: watcher | Sep 15 2024 22:07 utc | 184 “Couriouser and couriouser…” Looks like the frantic Brits are isolated in their obsession with NATO storm shadow missile strikes in Russia. Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:21 utc | 186 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @199 Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2024 22:26 utc | 187 “Couriouser and couriouser…” Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 22:31 utc | 188 Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:21 utc | 215 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 22:32 utc | 189 I retract my earlier statement . Posted by: Tichy | Sep 15 2024 22:34 utc | 190 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @199 Posted by: Newbie | Sep 15 2024 22:34 utc | 191 Andrew Sarchus @ 215: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2024 22:35 utc | 192 Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 15 2024 22:21 utc | 215 Posted by: Boo | Sep 15 2024 22:41 utc | 193
Absolutely, and I’ve been wondering for why this is so. I believe that systems try to act rationally in such affairs. I know it’s not always true but I dislike “they’re batshit insane” as the default explanation. Instead, an entire class can share a misconception about power distribution and make rational (from their own POV) but bad decisions. Posted by: Konami | Sep 15 2024 22:44 utc | 194 Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 15 2024 22:35 utc | 221 Posted by: Boo | Sep 15 2024 22:44 utc | 195 Konami | Sep 15 2024 22:44 utc | 223 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 22:47 utc | 196 Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Sep 15 2024 21:27 utc | 202 Posted by: knighthawk | Sep 15 2024 22:49 utc | 197 BREAKING….ASSASINATION ATTEMPT ON TRUMP! Posted by: Fyador | Sep 15 2024 22:54 utc | 198
True, they grow up with an entirely different world view and belief system. Posted by: Konami | Sep 15 2024 23:00 utc | 199 Peter AU1 | Sep 15 2024 22:32 utc | 218 Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Sep 15 2024 23:02 utc | 200 |
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