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September 12, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-217
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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From the previous thread. Posted by: kupkee | Sep 12 2024 15:50 utc | 1 a Norwegian mercenary travelled to Ukraine August 29 and is already history Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2024 15:55 utc | 2 Russian FM Sergei Lavrov advises NATO nazis are recruiting Al Nusra headchoppers from Idlib to fight in Ukraine. Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 12 2024 16:04 utc | 3 Forget about Turkey joining BRICS any time soon. Posted by: Julian | Sep 12 2024 16:06 utc | 4 Continued:
This is quite true. A structural problem of both national and finance capital is weak long term planning. Its imperialist phase is if anything worse, as capital ownership has been increasingly divorced from the application of capital to production. In fact, this shows how Russia and China are not imperialist powers on the same level or in the same sense as the United States, or what you might term “Western globalist capital” – even if both are capitalist great powers and, technically, both display imperialist tendencies, there is a strong inner capital at least in some manner beholden to the country and subject to state directives (obviously more so in China.) Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 16:08 utc | 5
I wonder if they put that up prominently on NRK to discourage young men to do this? That’s a really short time in action… Posted by: Konami | Sep 12 2024 16:15 utc | 6 the family reports that Meland went to Ukraine 29. august, but that they know little about what has happened since then. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 16:22 utc | 7 @Konami | Sep 12 2024 16:15 utc | 6 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2024 16:24 utc | 8 @Tichy | Sep 12 2024 16:22 utc | 7 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2024 16:29 utc | 9 “While global capital is more-or-less content to leave propaganda to the state, which partly explains why Western propaganda and brainwashing is so evolved, so effective and in-part shows signs of great foresight, state controls such as in China are viewed as antagonistic by the imperialist bourgeoisie.” From the previous thread. Posted by: anonymous | Sep 12 2024 16:38 utc | 11 a Norwegian mercenary travelled to Ukraine August 29 and is already history Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 12 2024 16:39 utc | 12 Citizens that are so educated shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 16:46 utc | 13 Very suspicious development. Stoltenberg to become the new chairman of the MSC. Posted by: AI | Sep 12 2024 16:46 utc | 14 4 – I doubt whether NATO really trusts Turkey, under its present leadership, but BRICS would also be unwise to. I have been reading about the October War of 1973. King Hussein of Jordan had contacts with other Arab states and is supposed to have told the Israelis that Egypt and Syria were about to attack (supposedly at a meeting in Alexandria their leaders told Hussein in general terms of their aims, but did not give a precise date, because with good reason they did not trust Hussein). Jordan sent a token force to fight Israel in the war because Hussein wanted to maintain some standing in the Arab world, but his ties to the West – and Israel – were stronger. I think Turkey is in the same ambiguous position. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 16:49 utc | 15 8 – It might depend who was killed, and what his military experience was, if any. My impression is that senior military instructors got it in Poltava, but perhaps the death toll included the less senior and experienced. Who got killed among Westerners, and how in the SMO may prove to be an interesting story that comes out in the future. News embargoes and secrecy are currently dominant, however. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 16:53 utc | 16 Russian FM Sergei Lavrov advises NATO nazis are recruiting Al Nusra headchoppers from Idlib to fight in Ukraine. Posted by: jpc | Sep 12 2024 16:57 utc | 17 2 – That’s a nice watch he was wearing in the photo. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 16:57 utc | 18 https://t.me/philologist_zov/1370
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 12 2024 17:06 utc | 19 @Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 16:57 utc | 18 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2024 17:09 utc | 20 FWIW Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 12 2024 17:14 utc | 21 20 – I examined the Reddit image. I can’t make anything of the tattoo, but it looks to me like runes in the circle on his chest pouch. Which can be Nazi. A little bizarrely, his watch is different in Reddit – the dial is hard to read but it looks more like a “tactical” military watch. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 17:18 utc | 22 The image in the NRK article has been retouched (as the article says). There is a version of it on Reddit showing a tattoo on his right hand and a b&w symbol of some sort on the small ‘bag’ on his chest. I am not familiar with such symbolism, but the NRK editors decided to remove them. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:25 utc | 23 @2 Posted by: Fred777 | Sep 12 2024 17:28 utc | 24 Some of today’s news:
To me that would indicate that the US is expecting a reciprocal attacks on it’s military soon because of something that will happen in the near future. Let’s hope a Russian reciprocal (nuclear) attack would be limited to bases in Ukraine or Western military assets in the middles via proxy deliveries to the Houthi’s. Posted by: xor | Sep 12 2024 17:31 utc | 26 23 – What is it? Runes, Norse pagan symbolism? Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:37 utc | 27 @Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 17:18 utc | 22 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2024 17:43 utc | 29 I found the logo, it is the same as a Chinese made “Outdoor Viking Lunavin Odin Logo”, i.e. just some silly symbols. Comparison: https://postimg.cc/dZ9tfJfx Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:45 utc | 30 So, was he a Nazi or just an idiot? It may not matter, as the two categories overlap… Still, the Norwegian paper thought the symbols odd… Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 17:48 utc | 31 Thing is I have seen people with this tattoo before, I couldn’t quite remember what it was, but they were all Nazi skinheads. There are obviously some “non-Nazi-skinheads” who have it (such as Bjork https://www.tattoofilter.com/p/1145) but again in the context of a volunteer for the Nazi horde it’s pretty obvious where he’s coming from. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:49 utc | 32 Still, the Norwegian paper thought the symbols odd… Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:49 utc | 33 As to made in China, well, the manufacturing decline of the West continues apace… Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 17:49 utc | 34 @Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:45 utc | 30 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2024 17:55 utc | 35 As a side note I am not completely opposed to Old Norse religion (or the Greek Pantheon) since I view them as far less insidious than the slave religion of Christianity. It doesn’t change the fact that if you’re marked like that and going to war to kill Russians in service of Ukraine, you’re 99.999% a Nazi. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:55 utc | 36 Hope later news (downsouth I’m counting on you) will ring more zits being popped all over the frontline. Posted by: Newbie | Sep 12 2024 17:59 utc | 37 Posted by: Julian | Sep 12 2024 16:06 utc | 4 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2024 17:59 utc | 38 One eternal dilemma of modern capitalist society: produce citizens that are so stupid they can’t question anything, yet not so stupid they can’t work. Posted by: frithguild | Sep 12 2024 18:00 utc | 39 Posted by: Newbie | Sep 12 2024 17:59 utc | 37 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 12 2024 18:01 utc | 40 A country must withdraw from NATO if it wants to be considered for membership of BRICS. Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 12 2024 18:02 utc | 41 35 – German Wegweiser. I know German and sometimes find written Norwegian, Danish and Swedish comprehensible for that reason, over and above the relationship to English. Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 12 2024 18:02 utc | 42 So this is a thread for the war in Ukraine. Is it a good place to discuss the liberation of Kursk People’s Republic (KPR) too? Posted by: AI_Revenger | Sep 12 2024 18:06 utc | 43 Turkey can join BRICS . Posted by: rk | Sep 12 2024 18:13 utc | 44 “As a side note I am not completely opposed to Old Norse religion (or the Greek Pantheon) since I view them as far less insidious than the slave religion of Christianity…” President’s Response to the Prospect of Using NATO Long-Range Weapons to Strike Russia Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 12 2024 18:25 utc | 46 So the Mad Dogs at the Pentagon – have commissioned a company to compile a report on what would happen – to global agriculture, if nuclear strikes occurred in Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 12 2024 18:25 utc | 47 )) Single women are waiting for you on — http://top25.fun Posted by: Alika | Sep 12 2024 18:26 utc | 48 frithguild @39 Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 18:40 utc | 49 All out war with Nato – looks on the cards – as Russia prepares to defend itself from long range missiles. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 12 2024 18:43 utc | 50 https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 18:46 utc | 51 Excerpt from the article above: Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 18:50 utc | 53 “Citizens that are so educated shouldn’t be allowed to vote.” Dimitrov, definition of fascism: “”the open, terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, and most imperialist elements of finance capital.” *** Posted by: frithguild | Sep 12 2024 19:07 utc | 55 if nuclear strikes occurred in Russia Posted by: rk | Sep 12 2024 19:12 utc | 56 The current Ukraine situation is moving into much higher levels of risk: The UK has approved the Ukrainian use of long range, precision missiles that can penetrate deeply into Russia and Blinken, Sullivan et al have also essentially approved (They appear to be running the country since Biden is in fulminant dementia.) Given that Zelensky has no boundaries, that the Kursk invasion was reckless beyond consideration, this suggests similar levels of disinhibition with even greater destructive power The US is also represented as a country without boundaries regarding risk taking, as evidenced by the extraordinary tonnage of the most recently used bombs decimating Palestinian women, babies, children and others in an Israeli defined “safe space.” Huge bombs that vaporized these people, or burned them to death in their tents. Delivered by F 35s, also provided by US. Posted by: abierno | Sep 12 2024 19:18 utc | 57 @ Posted by: frithguild | Sep 12 2024 19:07 utc | 55 Posted by: fnord | Sep 12 2024 19:19 utc | 58 Rk @ 56 Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 12 2024 19:21 utc | 59 Republicofscotland @ 50
Until now Russia, Iran, China have pulled back from red lines in concert, so there is more going on than simply Russia miscalculating, buying time, showing weakness and encouraging the west. Russia, China, and Iran know all the risks and gains and must have a shared policy, part of their strategic alliance. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2024 19:21 utc | 60 Turkey has been trying to get into the EU for years and has had the door slammed in its face for years. Meanwhile the EU says Ukraine will get in, a country that is barely a country with a wrecked economy on life support. So, yeah, it makes perfect sense that Turkey will try to get into BRICS as it knows it will never get into the EU. And yes Turkey is a NATO country, because it has to be. Someone on this site once explained that the only reason Turkey is in NATO to protect itself from NATO. It’s a country in a position where it has to play both sides, what it has done and will continue to do. Posted by: Mike R | Sep 12 2024 19:29 utc | 61 Nato tried brinkmanship before the SMO Russia gave a resounding answer. Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 12 2024 19:31 utc | 62 Mark2 @ 59 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2024 19:31 utc | 63 A thought about what may be the “precipice event”. Posted by: Retaining_H2O | Sep 12 2024 19:35 utc | 64 L Y F H @ 63 Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 12 2024 19:37 utc | 65 Widely reposted advice for Russian UAV crews to help them avoid falling victim to Ukrainian chemical weapon attacks, earlier attacks documented by TASS. Fortunately none of this matters so you can all get back to your Nazi runes and tracking cookies.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 12 2024 19:37 utc | 66 Russian drone attacks on warehouses, airfields, storages, substations and AFU deployment points. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2024 19:45 utc | 67 As I read about the long range missile situation I keep thinking that the UK/US are trying to set up plausible denial ability of Ukraine use. Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 12 2024 19:48 utc | 68 Mike R @ 61
Whoever said that, there it is in a brilliant nutshell, and why I hang out at this bar. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2024 19:50 utc | 69 57 – Could not agree more. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 12 2024 19:58 utc | 70 Putin Puts West On Notice: Long-Range Arms For Ukraine Will Mean ‘NATO At War With Russia’ Posted by: vargas | Sep 12 2024 19:59 utc | 71 Posted by: Retaining_H2O | Sep 12 2024 19:35 utc | 64 Posted by: anonymous | Sep 12 2024 20:01 utc | 72 Some notes of mine. Posted by: Passerby | Sep 12 2024 20:01 utc | 73 Putin is in the corner. Posted by: vargas | Sep 12 2024 20:03 utc | 74 Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 17:55 utc | 36 Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 12 2024 20:03 utc | 75 Turkiye could leave NATO but still accommodate the USA and the likely outcome. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Sep 12 2024 20:04 utc | 76 Posted by: vargas | Sep 12 2024 19:59 utc | 71 Posted by: Mario | Sep 12 2024 20:09 utc | 77 Today’s Golden Medal of Doom goes to vargas. Posted by: Konami | Sep 12 2024 20:10 utc | 78 Tobias Cole @ 70 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2024 20:11 utc | 79 Oliver Krug @ 76
Is it like a Roach Motel? How would they force you to stay? NATO doesn’t have any nukes, not even France anymore, only the USA as the commanding head of NATO controls nukes in the alliance. Are you saying the USA would nuke Turkiye if it tried to leave? Not, that I’d put it past them. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2024 20:18 utc | 81 The BBC news at ten on radio 4 in thirty mins will be worth listening. I can tell you now this will br front and center. Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 12 2024 20:29 utc | 82 anonymous @ 72 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 12 2024 20:32 utc | 83 AFU seems to be in a death spiral in Kursk. They are still trying to attack Glushkovo from the south but without apparent success so far. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 12 2024 20:33 utc | 85 “I think, Russia won’t dare to respond to the western attack.” Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 12 2024 20:35 utc | 86 From Dima it looks like the Ukrainians are attempting a counter-attack around Novogrodivka, just as the Russians assumed their advance west and south. In the Kursk area, the Ukrainians are in great danger of being surrounded and routed. Putin’s hope in not being too aggressive vis-a-vis the SMO was to win hearts and minds in the west. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 12 2024 20:48 utc | 88 What does it even mean “not to be opposed” to a pagan religion? You find it attractive? In what way? As a lifestyle? Since one cannot make a decision to believe something, I’m struggling to understand what you think religion is. It’s certainly not something you browse for on Amazon: “yeah, Christianity is a bit too slavish for me right now, I might go for more of blend of Apollo and Thor, yeah that seems cool…” ffs. Posted by: Tichy | Sep 12 2024 20:48 utc | 89 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 12 2024 19:37 utc | 66 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 12 2024 21:00 utc | 90 xor // 26 Posted by: Nobody Special | Sep 12 2024 21:01 utc | 91
Honestly these posts are so asinine, so stupid, that the most charitable explanation is that you’re getting paid some bucks to repost such drivel. Posted by: Micron | Sep 12 2024 21:03 utc | 92
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/108602 Posted by: Down South | Sep 12 2024 21:04 utc | 93 No worries as nothing big will happen when Kremlin is hit by US missiles. Putin will just bitchslap some poor Ukie saps and crowed he has taken revenge. Posted by: Surferket | Sep 12 2024 21:05 utc | 94
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17641 Posted by: Down South | Sep 12 2024 21:06 utc | 95 @NemesisCalling Posted by: vargas | Sep 12 2024 21:09 utc | 96 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 12 2024 17:55 utc | 35 Posted by: Milites | Sep 12 2024 21:12 utc | 97 Putin is in the corner. Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 12 2024 21:12 utc | 98 “in Syria a couple of days ago when it was reported that Bashar Assad’s military shot down an Israeli military jet that violated Syrian air space.” Posted by: kupkee | Sep 12 2024 21:17 utc | 99 @97 vargas Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 12 2024 21:23 utc | 100 |
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