Ukraine Open Thread 2024-212
News & views related to the war in Ukraine ...
Posted by b on September 4, 2024 at 5:09 UTC | Permalink
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About time.
Posted by: g wiltek | Sep 4 2024 6:02 utc | 2
Why so much focus on this Poltova strike? If we believe the MoD that 2000-3000 Ukies every single day, what is the big deal about this Poltova strike? Why so much discussion on both sides about this? Why did this this strike supposedly overwhelm hospitals but not the daily killing?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:02 utc | 3
Suddenly Ukie hospitals are overwhelmed because of this one strike that killed 100 people or so? Why aren't they overwhelmed by the supposed 2-3000 killed every day?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:08 utc | 4
Ukraine's government is playing a game of musical chairs. Who is calling the tune?
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:09 utc | 5
Apparently the mig-29 that went down was shot down by a couple of RF su-35 and the pilot failed to eject.
Anybody has confirmation?
On the informational front, smoothie got his article "Sikorski's Dreams..." behind a log-in wall because blogspot finds it "sensitive content" and he is now considering getting a site/domain. Looks like MOA will be the last if this starts also hitting blogspot (and soon substack probably)
Maybe operation oblivion for ukraine is underway... "nato was never at war in ukraine"
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:13 utc | 6
Attacke on SuMa, Lvov and Krivoy Rog. Dozens of deaths reported.
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 7
Suddenly Ukie hospitals are overwhelmed because of this one strike that killed 100 people or so? Why aren't they overwhelmed by the supposed 2-3000 killed every day?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:08 utc | 4
Daily Ukro losses are much lower then the pro Russian crowd thinks they are.
Posted by: vargas | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 8
Why are these 100 people or so killed so much more worthy of discussion than are the 2000-3000 supposedly killed daily?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 9
@Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:08 utc | 4
The 2-3000 killed every day for obvious reasons do not overwhelm hospitals. The wounded should, but who knows what level of care they receive.
Of course, talk about overwhelming hospitals (true or not) in a case like this is part of the propaganda war.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 10
@ Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:02 utc | 3
The most important things about that strike are: RFAF ability to learn in advance / quickly identify troop gatherings; response time from receiving intel to arrival on target; willingness to hit more troops gatherings of more kinds in general.
AFU does not bother with recovering much wounded or any dead from front lines to overwhelm many hospitals. It does still happen. The more valuable the troops the more likely the recovery, like in Kursk.
Swedes possibly got to taste what being a NATO member is like.
Around 600 possible casualties would be the second or third largest (media covered) individual casualty event since NATO merc training base was Kinzhaled two years ago.
Is that enough reasons why, do you think?
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 6:16 utc | 11
Why are these 100 people or so killed so much more worthy of discussion than are the 2000-3000 supposedly killed daily?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 9
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Thes people were members of the cadre class.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:17 utc | 12
Daily Ukro losses are much lower then the pro Russian crowd thinks they are.
Posted by: vargas | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 8
I think you are probably right about that, Ye Olde Vargas. At least MoD always says losses "up to" such-and-such a number, but people often take the high number stated as the number killed. I dunno.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:27 utc | 13
The FT is calling it a "reboot" and a "shuffle"
Ukraine undertakes biggest government ‘reboot’ of warZelenskyy instigates major reshuffle amid efforts to hold ground against Russia in east and consolidate Kursk position
The biggest shake-up of Ukraine’s wartime government got under way in Kyiv on Tuesday, with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy saying a series of resignations among the country’s ministers was part of an effort to “give new strength” to Ukraine’s institutions.
The reshuffle comes at a crucial point in the 30-month-long war, with Kyiv trying to hold off Moscow’s escalating offensive in eastern Ukraine while simultaneously rushing to solidify its grip on some 1,000 sq km of territory it has seized inside Russia’s Kursk region.
“Autumn will be extremely important for Ukraine. And our state institutions must be set up in such a way that Ukraine will achieve all the results we need — for all of us,” Zelenskyy said in his evening address on Tuesday. “To do this, we need to strengthen some areas in the government — and personnel decisions have been prepared.”
He said more changes were likely to happen within his office and that “certain areas of our foreign and domestic policies will have a slightly different emphasis”.
continues ==> https://www.ft.com/content/4a37ac46-d3ee-42ec-8694-dc88059d7f36
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:29 utc | 14
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/41146
The first prisoner to admit blowing up the nuclear plant was a military goal. The article stresses the confession could be made from duress. But this is the first I've seen of actual prisoners stating nuclear terrorism was a set goal of the incursion.
Posted by: Hankster | Sep 4 2024 6:30 utc | 15
Revving Russia's Red Lines
As Ukrainian defensive lines crack, hardliners in Ukraine, EU and US want to push Russia over the brink. They hope to launch an escalatory spiral that results in a full-scale US armed intervention
"The 2-3000 killed every day for obvious reasons do not overwhelm hospitals. The wounded should, but who knows what level of care they receive.
"Of course, talk about overwhelming hospitals (true or not) in a case like this is part of the propaganda war."
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 10
Yeah but if 2000-3000 ate killed every day that would suggest 5000-10,000 are injured and need hospitalization daily based on typical ratees of killed vs injured. Right?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:38 utc | 17
Foreign Minister Kuleba has submitted his resignation .It is noteworthy that diplomacy in Ukraine has been conducted for a couple of years not from the position of international standards, but more like market rhetoric and aggressive begging for money or new arms supplies.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:41 utc | 18
📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Two Majors #Summary for the Morning of 4 September 2024; 07:05 (GMT+3)📍🎯The RFAF carried out combined strikes by UAVs and missile weapons on enemy territory at night, it was reported that hypersonic Kinzhals were used. Multiple explosions were heard in #Lvov, #Boryspil and #Brovary in #Kiev region, #Sumy region. In #Lvov region, changes in the schedule of trains. Yesterday afternoon, the RFAF struck at the 179th Ttraining Centre of Communication Troops, more than 50 militants were killed, up to 300 wounded.
🔹In the #Kursk region, fighting continues on the former borders of Sudzhansky and Korenevsky districts, the enemy is attacking in several waves, trying to immediately gain a foothold in the second echelon. The AFU, making up for the sensitive losses, is constantly moving armoured vehicles and personnel in small groups through the Sudzha Checkpoint. It is not always possible to cover the enemy on the road. Our aviation is working on enemy concentrations in forest areas, using FAB-3000 with UMPC and ODAB.🎬👇Strikes by aviation and missile weapons have been intensified in the neighbouring #Sumy region. To the north, on the border of #Bryansk region, there have been isolated reports of intensified shelling by the AFU in order to disrupt our logistics.
🔹In the #Kupyansk direction, there are reports of fighting in #Sinkovka and in the area of #Peschanoye.
🔹In the #Toretsk (#Dzerzhinsk) agglomeration, there is fighting on the outskirts of #Dzerzhinsk and an advance in the village of #Druzhba.
🔹In the #Pokrovsk direction, the RFAF are turning to the southern direction. There is fighting for #Selidovo, #Ukrainsk and at #Zhelannoye1st, which creates a threat of encirclement for the AFU in the area of #Zhelannoye2nd - #Krasnogorovka - #Nevelskoye.
🔹In the #Ugledar area to the east and west, there is intense fighting. The Russian Army is pushing through the AFU defences in the area of #Prechistovka, the Yuzhnodonbasskaya No. 1 Mine and #Vodyanoye. Against the background of the extremely intensive use of drones by the enemy, the RFAF are using infantry rather than armoured vehicles. #Ugledar itself is being harassed with all available means. The enemy characterises the situation as 'very difficult'.
🔹In the #Kherson direction, mutual drone strikes and artillery. Our troops are targeting enemy concentrations on the right bank of the #Dnieper.
🛡Over #Belgorod, Belgorod district and Yakovlevsky urban district our air defence system worked in the morning. Several air targets were shot down. According to preliminary information, there were no casualties or serious damage.
💥In the #DPR, in #Gorlovka, a woman born in 1949 was wounded as a result of AFU strikes. Six people were wounded by cluster artillery shells: women born in 1949, 1963 and 1994, and men born in 1973, 1980 and 1987. In the village of #Olginka, Volnovakha municipal district, a man born in 1965 was wounded as a result of a tractor being blown up by an explosive object during field work.
https://t.me/two_majors/31033
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 6:41 utc | 19
🇷🇺🇺🇦 On the strike on the 179th Training Center of the Signal Troops in PoltavaWhat is known as of the end of September 3, 2024
In the morning, the Russian Armed Forces launched a missile strike on the 179th Advanced Training Center of the Signal Troops in Poltava.
According to official data, the enemy reported 51 killed and 271 wounded. Ukrainian propaganda emphasizes statements about "civilians" and some "neighboring hospital".
❗️However, judging by the map, there are no hospitals nearby, and the nearest multi-story buildings are dormitories, which are also barracks of the affected "educational institution" that became the deployment point of one of the Territorial Defense brigades back in 2014.
At the same time, we note that given the enemy's tendency to underestimate their own losses, the success of the strike may be much higher. And against the background of reports of the destruction of Swedish instructors, the events in Poltava may take an even more interesting turn, since there are already versions on the Internet about the additional training of Ukrainian specialists on the announced AWACS aircraft ASC 890 to be supplied.
🔻We hope that the fact of the strike on a large concentration of the enemy deep in the rear is not a one-time "incident", but the first message of systematic work precisely on the enemy's personnel. There are still a great many targets from this category.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17441
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 6:43 utc | 20
He said more changes were likely to happen within his office and that “certain areas of our foreign and domestic policies will have a slightly different emphasis”.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:29 utc | 14
Apparently there were already 5 ministries without ministers. With a further lot of 6 then he's about to have a basically new team.
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P.S. As for certain trolls asking for why the numbers are considered KIA, consider that the AFU has often mentioned the monthly needs. So it is possible to infer how many they lose permanently and that half of those were KIA.
Furthermore you'll see that ukraine is currently not able to fill the gaps, in spite of currently drafting more than 60.000 per month (almost 130.000 july and august)
https://mskvremya.ru/article/2023/1520-poteri-ukrainy-za-vremya-spetsoperatsii
As for the hospitals, one thing is a strealined system over a 1000km line and several hospitals (even in the field) , the other is a point attack where you get high hundreds of wounded (kinzhal level wounded, probably very very damaged) in a city with limited medical resources (many are in the aforementioned front line health factory system)
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:44 utc | 21
@ Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:38 utc | 17
You have already received answers to that question, refused to acknowledged any it and asked the same question again. Don't let anyone stop you from discrediting yourself.
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 6:46 utc | 22
Apparently there were already 5 ministries without ministers.
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:44 utc | 21
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Ukraine is a ghost ship.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:50 utc | 23
Posted July 1
Our source reports that Zelensky postponed the Verkhovna Rada meeting, where the Cabinet reshuffle is to be approved, because the negotiations are still ongoing, and at the NATO summit he must provide Western partners with candidates and approve them there, if this suits the "sponsors".The partners insist on new seats in the Cabinet for their clientele, but Yermak is not satisfied with this. The negotiations and negotiations continue.
Zelensky is very dependent on the West now, but does not want to weaken his monopoly, since in the long run this means "political death" and a swing for him.
https://t.me/legitimniy/18252
Posted July 23
Our source reports that the Cabinet reshuffle has been postponed for three reasons.The main one: Biden refused to run for president, which means all the conditional demands made on him have been postponed. It is not particularly important to fulfill them.
The second: the crisis in the country will begin in the fall, which means that someone will have to be made a scapegoat, blaming them for failures, in order to feed this "victim" to society.
The third: the offensive that is being prepared and its results will affect further actions.
https://t.me/legitimniy/18400
Posted September 4
Ukraine is expecting a massive reshuffle in the Cabinet of Ministers and the OP (as in the joke: "when things go badly in a brothel, you don't need to move the beds, but change the girls", and Yermak and Zelensky will simply change the beds (puppets/clowns).Back in the summer, we reported three reasons why the reshuffle in the Cabinet of Ministers was postponed until the fall, and we were right, as usual.
We will only add one thing - this is a sign of a deep crisis in Ukraine and things are going really badly.
https://t.me/legitimniy/18637
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 6:51 utc | 24
🔹In the #Ugledar area to the east and west, there is intense fighting. The Russian Army is pushing through the AFU defences in the area of #Prechistovka, the Yuzhnodonbasskaya No. 1 Mine and #Vodyanoye. Against the background of the extremely intensive use of drones by the enemy, the RFAF are using infantry rather than armoured vehicles. #Ugledar itself is being harassed with all available means. The enemy characterises the situation as 'very difficult'.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 6:41 utc | 19
Prechistovka, so after closing the O0532 RF is also closing the T0509. That should dry logistics and limit any effective retreat.
Yuzhnodonbasskaya No. 1 Mine and #Vodyanoye so 3 km and 5 km from Ugledar proper. That means anything goes as far as artillery bombing. And not far in days for probing attacks.
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:54 utc | 25
⚡️⚡️🇺🇦 A political "earthquake" has begun at the very top of the Ukrainian government - in the Cabinet of Ministers❗️❗️Three ministers at once, and now also the vice-premier, have resigned in some kind of emergency mode. Among the ministers are the "immortal" Maliuska and the most Euro-integrated Stefanishyna. Among the deputies of the OP: Rostik Shurma.
We understand that Yermak is starting some kind of multi-move game with the government. Let's watch carefully.
https://t.me/ZeRada1/21331
Colleagues, our source assures that all the reshuffles in the Cabinet of Ministers and the OP are being done with one goal - to completely restructure the work of the vertical of power for Andriy Yermak.The head of the Presidential Office wanted to change the Prime Minister, but Western partners are against it, which allows Shmygal to remain in office. According to our source, the Head of the Cabinet of Ministers will still be replaced - it's a matter of time.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24208
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 6:56 utc | 26
‼️🇷🇺 The Russian Army is successfully advancing in the Ugledar direction▪️Ugledar direction. The Russian Armed Forces have liberated the remaining western part of Prechistovka and have consolidated their positions along forest belts in an area up to 3.4 km wide.
To the east of the Yuzhnodonbasskaya No. 1 mine, Russian troops have consolidated their positions along a forest belt up to 2.1 km wide and are continuing assault operations on the territory of the aforementioned mine.To the south and east of Vodyanoye, our units have consolidated their positions in the area of the Mylny pond, on the outskirts of summer cottages and along forest belts, occupying an area up to 3.6 km wide and up to 1.72 km deep.
▪️Pokrovsk direction. In the southwestern part of Galitsynovka, our troops are consolidating their positions in residential buildings.
In the area of Ukrainsk, Selidovo, Novogrodovka and Grodovka, clashes of varying intensity continue.
▪️Toretsk direction. In the northwestern part of the village of Druzhba, Russian troops are gaining a foothold on Ivan Mazepy Street.In Toretsk, clashes continue along the streets of Centralnaya, Lesnaya and Viktor Sorochuk for the waste heap of the Novaya mine.
https://t.me/geromanat/33794
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 6:58 utc | 27
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 6:46 utc | 22
The "answers" weren't really credible imho.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:01 utc | 28
The smallest dogs make the most noise.
And don't worry about the consequences.
🇱🇻 "Following the Russian attack on Poltava, Latvian President Rinkēvičs called for the lifting of all restrictions on Ukraine's use of Western weapons."
Posted by: jpc | Sep 4 2024 7:03 utc | 29
@ Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:01 utc | 28
Perhaps if you offered arguments as to why you disagree, you wouldn't look like a petulant child not liking what they hear to keep pushing their point of view.
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 7:06 utc | 30
I ask again, why is this strike on one place in Poltova that killed maybe 100 people so much more worthy of discussion than are the 2000-3000 people supposedly killed every single day for the past 3 months or so? Just because some Twitter poster said there were a few Swedes there which hasn't even been confirmed? Are Swedes THAT much more important than Ukrainians?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:06 utc | 31
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:44 utc | 21
True.
I would add to that the propaganda factor.
In MSM they rarely if ever mention the military losses on the Frontline. That will destroy the whole Russian are dying by the hundred thousands while Ukraine has no big losses mantra.
But MSM will go with 'proper' headlines in events like this.
Headlines today are like 'brutal Putin hit a school and a hospital'.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 4 2024 7:11 utc | 32
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:29 utc | 14
expect the replacements to all have a US (indoctrination) background ( like Sakaaschwilli in Georgia )
Posted by: MAKK | Sep 4 2024 7:13 utc | 33
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 7:06 utc | 30
You obviously place a higher value on the lives of Swedes than Slavs by a factor of at least 30:1.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:15 utc | 34
@ Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:06 utc | 31
You appear to follow the Westerner way of evaluating events solely on immediate social media activity. Your biggest gripe here is people allegedly talking too much about an immediate event. Which happens every major missile strike by the way, you would have noticed that had you paid any attention to this war instead of hiding your head in sand every time you hear something you don't like.
Discussions on AFU casualty rates spiking have been going for months since RF reopened Kharkov front. The results of such casualty increase could be seen for the last few months, ever accelerating. Where were you all this time, not even last month's Kursk suicide could wake you.
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 7:18 utc | 35
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 7:18 utc | 35
Nice try, but no cigar. At least you aren't quite as bad as the Israelis yet, where one Israeli is worth more than 200 Palestinians.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:22 utc | 36
I ask again,
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:06 utc | 31
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I answer again. Pay attention this time.
The casualties in Poltova were members of the cadre class and not the common plebs that die on the frontlines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadre_(politics)
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 7:23 utc | 37
@ Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:22 utc | 36
Even a vargas is capable of occasionally answering a cordial question on topic. Of well.
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 7:24 utc | 38
Suddenly Ukie hospitals are overwhelmed because of this one strike that killed 100 people or so? Why aren't they overwhelmed by the supposed 2-3000 killed every day?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:08 utc | 4
I’m not sure if you ever worked or used the services of a hospital, but hospitals tend not to provide services for dead people.
So 3,000deaths per day or 10,000 deaths per day won’t overwhelm hospital care. The mortuary service, maybe.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2024 7:25 utc | 39
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 7:23 utc | 37
Your Wiki link doesn't prove anything about the actual classes of the 100 people killed in the Poltova strike nor the classes of the 2000-3000 Slavs supposedly killed every single day. But if the "cadre class" has 30x more importance for you than do the other people killed, I can see why you think this one strike is so very important, especially because some Twitter poster said without proof that there were some Swedes killed.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:34 utc | 40
This troll broke, keeps saying the same thing, bring in the next one.
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 7:40 utc | 41
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:06 utc | 31
Did you bump your head getting out of bed this morning? Or have you not been paying attention for the last couple of decades?
If you talk to the average media brainwashed Swede, German, Brit, etc then you will soon learn that Ukrainians are seen as a battering ram against Russia. These brainwashed fools are totally ok with their domestic economies being destroyed and billions of old weapons being sent to allow the Ukrainians to get on with the job of “stopping Putin” before he occupies all of Europe according to their bullshit. These people are totally Ussophobic as per the media BS they’ve consumed, but the basis of this BS also deems that all Slavs including the Ukrainians are untermenschen and eminently expendable. The cowardly Europeans are perfectly comfortable with this pointless slaughter because they’ve been told Putin must be stopped and if the Ukrainians don’t do it, then the Swedes, Brits, Germans will have to send their youth to the meat grinder. This is precisely why military cemeteries in Ukraine are the only thing that is growing in this failed state.
So yes obviously in the racist, imperialist, brainwashed minds of many Europeans, their lives are worth a lot more than a Ukrainian.
As for your aspersions of doubt of Russian MoD numbers, provide evidence that they’re inaccurate.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2024 7:41 utc | 42
if the "cadre class" has 30x more importance
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:34 utc | 40
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The Media is designed to influence the Cadres. Cadres have agency over Plebs so of course they are more important.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 7:42 utc | 43
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:08 utc | 4
It's incredible to have to answer such a stupid as yours but here it goes, while I finish my coffee and b4 work: regular total casualties in the low thousands occur over the entire theater of war while the single hit in Poltova with causalties in the hundreds happened in a single city.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 4 2024 7:42 utc | 44
Posted by: boneless | Sep 4 2024 7:24 utc | 38
True. And sometimes even correct (stopped clock....).
I'm not trying to be a troll or belligerent, but it just strikes me as very wrong how much attention this one event gets compared to the daily 2000-3000 killed. Just because it made headlines in western MSM media, probably.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:45 utc | 45
Posted by: Hankster | Sep 4 2024 6:30 utc | 15
That the Kursk NPP was the main goal was evident from day 1. Them ukrops wanted to have their Beslan School Siege, grab Western MSM headlines for weeks and negotiate from a position of strength. But as I said in comments here quickly after the start of these operations, it was a dud.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 4 2024 7:48 utc | 46
Why are these 100 people or so killed so much more worthy of discussion than are the 2000-3000 supposedly killed daily?
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 9
Well, maybe because the frontline is over 1000km long, and the wounded don't usually make it all the way back to hospitals. Chop shops (organ harvesting sites) clear most along the way.
But here, in Poltava, all those juicy bodies in one place. Bingo!
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 4 2024 7:51 utc | 47
"I’m not sure if you ever worked or used the services of a hospital, but hospitals tend not to provide services for dead people.
"So 3,000deaths per day or 10,000 deaths per day won’t overwhelm hospital care. The mortuary service, maybe."
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2024 7:25 utc | 39
I've already addressed that strawman above.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:51 utc | 48
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:45 utc | 45
Strongly consider the possibility that you may be wrong before you post anything else.
Like others here who felt compelled to respond to your oddball comments, I can’t see why we have to persuade you that it may be significant that several hundred newly graduating Ukrainian radar operators and drone specialists have been eliminated by two hypersonic missiles.
There are dozens of reasons why that particular strike is significant and newsworthy. Don’t let your inability to see this destroy this thread for everyone else.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2024 7:55 utc | 49
From the resignations and lack of ministeries with heads.
That have occurred in the last number of hours.
Is a coup after taking place.
Or is the death throes of the Ukrainian government happening.?
Posted by: jpc | Sep 4 2024 7:56 utc | 50
"Well, maybe because the frontline is over 1000km long, and the wounded don't usually make it all the way back to hospitals. Chop shops (organ harvesting sites) clear most along the way.
"But here, in Poltava, all those juicy bodies in one place. Bingo!"
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 4 2024 7:51 utc | 47
That normally would make good sense, but we all know that the front around Poltova has been the focus of heavy fighting for a few weeks already and the MoD has daily put out numbers much higher than the numbers from this one attack every day. The action around Poltova has been much more intense than the average for the 1000 km front. The "front" isn't one homogenous mass of warfare all at the same intensity.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:58 utc | 51
I gave a very educated (economy) cousin who works for government in one of EU Med. countries.
Two years ago I told him that I am concearnd about the future and the effect of this war on our daily lives.
But he said thar therecis going to be no impact, that the war would be very short and that EU can handle any event.
So that was somebidy from EU administration.
So he proved himself wrong. However he still repeats the same story.
How do people become like that?
What frightens me the most is a passionate will to destroy Russia.
Posted by: vargas | Sep 4 2024 8:01 utc | 52
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2024 7:55 utc | 49
Right. So you say they are 30x more important than the meat-grinder Slavs dying daily. And I'm the bad guy for even questioning it. And "ruining the thread".
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 8:11 utc | 53
We don't choose to discuss the Poltava hit.
Western and Ukranian propagande chooses to, and we comment on it.
So the real question is: Why are they talking about that strike as if it was something special? Well, anyone who's been paying attention knows that every single time Ukraine complains about "civilians being killed by Evil Russian missiles", it means that Ukrainian officials or officers, or foreign guys (mercs, officers, trainers, whatever) have been killed. Random Ukrainian solider doesn't deserve mention, they're in the frontline and doomed to die, meanwhile higher-ups and foreign cadres are behind the lines, supposed to be safe to do their shit.
This time, the outcry seems quite loud. I'm actually wondering to which extent Kuleba resigning is tied to this (as well as inner shenanigans) or totally unrelated, since the current shuffle occurs right after the Poltava strike. At the very least, it gives the impression that this time was particularly bloody for NATO goons and that a sacrificial victim has to be picked to appease the West's ire.
Of course, what's hysterical and egregious is reading Western media; I've seen a livestream in which they claimed it was some barbaric attack on civilians and Russia has to be punished, just to be followed by Ukrainian admission a military institute has been hit during some military ceremony, without said media acknowledging that one of these must be wrong, or that Western politicians were lying trash to claim it as a random barbaric massacre of innocent civilians.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 4 2024 8:11 utc | 54
Also claims 10 active British military officers were destroyed during the strike on Grand Palace hotel in Zaporozhye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxoEDtSgfFc
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 8:16 utc | 55
Those uniforms that were recently destroyed. Good to see that. Being in comm's, they were high value uniforms. Getting the Swedes even better. All the countries that have turned Ukraine into Ukroids -the more of them destroyed the better.
A uniform is no different that any other weapon. It all has to be destroyed.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 4 2024 8:16 utc | 56
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 4 2024 8:11 utc | 54
You ain't clueless!
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 8:22 utc | 57
but we all know that the front around Poltova has been the focus of heavy fighting for a few weeks already and the MoD has daily put out numbers much higher than the numbers from this one attack every day. The action around Poltova has been much more intense than the average for the 1000 km front. The "front" isn't one homogenous mass of warfare all at the same intensity.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:58 utc | 51
Last try. Poltava is way behind any "frontline". Anyway, this map might help give a sense of the scale.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 4 2024 8:29 utc | 58
Of course, what's hysterical and egregious is reading Western media; I've seen a livestream in which they claimed it was some barbaric attack on civilians and Russia has to be punished, just to be followed by Ukrainian admission a military institute has been hit during some military ceremony, without said media acknowledging that one of these must be wrong, or that Western politicians were lying trash to claim it as a random barbaric massacre of innocent civilians.Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 4 2024 8:11 utc | 54
thats why i always immediately rush to germanys premiere nazi-outlet welt.de to check the narrative. its so blatant, yet if i had to go by the comment section, every german believes that drivel.
back in ancient times when i was in school, i asked our history teacher why our german population believed every propaganda lie they have been told in ww2. he never gave a truly satisfying answer, but if i had to ask him today (he died a few years ago), he would probably simply point to our eu regulations and media censorship and tell me "that is how its done.".
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 4 2024 8:49 utc | 59
So you say they are 30x more important than the meat-grinder Slavs dying daily. And I'm the bad guy for even questioning it. And "ruining the thread".
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 8:11 utc | 53
Some specialists were trained for years, some grants are being pushed to the frontline off the streets after a coupla days of digging trenches. Please spare everyone your righteous indignation, people are not equal and military staff is especially not equal.
And people call jn yoy not because you are a bad guy, but because you rerpeatedly play dumb to show off you social justice creds.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Sep 4 2024 8:49 utc | 60
this is from the comment section on the hedge:
someone here always does a great flightradar check, maybe that person can verify.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 4 2024 8:53 utc | 61
Barflies, Wisco is on his way to hi-jack and derail the thread.
Please, I do understand that what he says, and the way he does so, is outrageous, but please do not feed the trolls.
Besides, you have already provided answers to all the points he made.
Maybe just copy/paste the timestamps of the previous answers, if necessary, and just leave it like that.
Just my two cents
Posted by: RandomLurker | Sep 4 2024 8:54 utc | 62
The large-scale problem of PTSD among Ukrainian soldiers and the lack of social support promised by the Ze-team have led to an increase in the crime situation in Ukraine. More and more often, the military is breaking the law, organizing fights, violence, grenade explosions, robberies, organizing arms and drug trafficking, etc. This is killing the positive image of "defenders" among the people, increasing the negative attitude towards people in uniform.At the same time, a popular rebellion against the mobilization initiated by Bankova is growing in Ukraine. In the rear of Ukraine, a real avalanche of arson of Ukrainian military vehicles, damage to infrastructure and attacks on TCC members has begun - such episodes have recently been happening daily.
And indeed, the split in society in Ukraine is best characterized by a real epidemic of guerrilla actions. Thus, many dissatisfied with the current Ukrainian government (by the way, illegitimate) have begun to switch to outright terror of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and TCC policemen. It is noteworthy that the partisan Ukrainians in most cases do not consider themselves to be underground, do not provide assistance to the Russian Armed Forces in coordinating UAV strikes and missiles, they do it simply out of hatred in response to the strengthening of the so-called "zemmobilization".
And although the Office of President Zelensky gave the order to blame the burning of TCC vehicles, attacks on military personnel and the destruction of infrastructure on the machinations of Russian special services, in reality everything is much more prosaic.
Many Ukrainians really hate the government and all its derivatives, and therefore openly engage in partisan activities (for clarity - at the beginning of the war this was not the case). This shows that consolidation is being lost in society and the number of those who hate the current government is growing (not to mention those who sympathize with Russia).
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24206
The economic situation in Ukraine is getting worse due to growing demographic problems. More and more wounded soldiers who become a "burden" for the budget, more and more internally displaced persons, more and more businesses are closing due to mobilization and increased taxes/tariffs. The energy crisis also affects the economy. All this increases expenses and the budget deficit.The economic situation in Ukraine is so dire that, despite all the loans allocated, Ukraine again requires emergency financial injections to cover the budget deficit and purchase new weapons, which were spent on Zelensky's PR offensive in the Kursk region. However, Westerners have called on Ukraine to seek internal resources to cover the country's budget deficit.
Thus, the budget deficit of Ukraine, according to estimates by the Americans and the French, is 44-47 billion dollars this year, the debt is growing at a frantic pace and next year will exceed 100% of GDP and will amount to more than 150 billion dollars. Accordingly, it will be necessary to increase the already extremely high tax burden on the economy and devalue the hryvnia, otherwise collapse becomes inevitable.
And indeed, the authorities are already ready to tighten the "tax screws" on their own people, including businesses, while simultaneously cutting benefits and social programs.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24210
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 9:07 utc | 63
Daily Ukro losses are much lower then the pro Russian crowd thinks they are.
Posted by: vargas | Sep 4 2024 6:14 utc | 8
IMHO, the number of Ukrainian servicemen killed in the daily "Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation" is about 10% lower than the real number killed.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 4 2024 9:12 utc | 64
Zelensky's latest "reason" or rationalisation for the Kursk episode:
"We're going to hold on to it, for a negotiation lever when the time comes"
Faaaaak. In his dreams. [Lmao]. [Eye roll].
Last week, he said it was designed to draw Russian troops away from the Donbass. Well, THAT didn't work. So a new fantasy emerges.
The first reason (undeclared, because it was a failure) was to capture the KNPP. And THAT didn't work. They've obviously let the Donbass go as permanently lost. So the north is now the focus to save the south.
I suspect one AFU strategy is to keep Russia's attention away from any Kherson/Mikolaiv/Odessa/Transnistria moves. If he keeps needling around Karkhov and Sumy and threatening deeper missile strikes towards Moscow, he thinks he's got Russia on the back foot. He's just stalling, poking as long as he can, waiting fur the cavalry to come. What a fkn eejit.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 4 2024 9:13 utc | 65
@Justpassinby | Sep 4 2024 8:53 utc | 61
Evacuation from Poland via Suwalki gap? That implies destination is one of the 3 chihuahuas or Finland.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 4 2024 9:13 utc | 66
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 8:11 utc | 53
In an army, everybody is not equal. In an army, all opinions are not equal. These are simple truths.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 4 2024 9:18 utc | 67
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 6:29 utc | 14
Boris Bunter Johnson's cv is on its way.
Posted by: horseguards | Sep 4 2024 9:21 utc | 68
Blow to Lviv railway stationVKS demolished the main hub for the transfer of Western weapons
Last night and early in the morning, Russian forces launched a massive attack on important strategic enemy targets. Explosions thundered from Odessa to Lviv. And the first data about the results of arrivals is already available. So, Ukrainian public figures report that the Russians hit the area of the Lviv-Glavny railway station. This place is home to the largest locomotive depot in western Ukraine. And local authorities said that the Russian Armed Forces used two hypersonic "Daggers".
We have been waiting for this strike for a long time, given that Lviv is the main transport and logistics hub for the transfer of weapons, equipment and ammunition from Rzeszow, Poland, at the airport of which at least 40 military transport planes with British and American cargo for the Armed Forces of Ukraine landed in the past month alone. Moreover, Western politicians come to Lviv in transit to Kiev, and it is through this city that the uninterrupted dispatch of foreign mercenaries and military instructors to the front line is established.
It is clear that the Russian Aerospace Forces hit this area for a reason, apparently, at that time another large batch of military cargo was being transported. This is also evidenced by the powerful detonation that followed the attack.
Meanwhile, it was loud not only in Lviv. A series of strikes were carried out on reserve units deployed by the Ukrainian commander-in-Chief Syrsky to Pokrovsk from Kryvyi Rih, Zaporizhia and Kherson. Explosions followed in Kryvyi Rih itself, the underground reports a strike on the airfield in Dolgintsevo.
According to the coordinator of the Nikolaev underground Sergey Lebedev, at this moment on airfield there was a MiG-29 plane and a large number of UAVs with jet engines. "Usually planes take off with an 'alarm', but this time there was no sound of take-off, but there was a very powerful explosion, " RIA Novosti quoted a pro-Russian activist as saying that pilots and foreign instructors training there were also settled near the airfield.
In Sumy, ballistic missiles hit enemy reserves, a command post and a communications hub, which the militants used to coordinate actions during the invasion of the Kursk region. Ukrainian information resources also indicate strikes in Lutsk, Odessa, Kiev and Kharkiv regions.
machine translated
https://segodnia.ru/content/295285
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 9:21 utc | 69
I suspect one AFU strategy is to keep Russia's attention away from any Kherson/Mikolaiv/Odessa/Transnistria moves. If he keeps needling around Karkhov and Sumy and threatening deeper missile strikes towards Moscow, he thinks he's got Russia on the back foot. He's just stalling, poking as long as he can, waiting fur the cavalry to come. What a fkn eejit.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 4 2024 9:13 utc | 65
For those who have a little experience with football, the Ukro move sounds a lot like the desperation of a coach whose team is 3 goals down with 10 minutes to go and he puts 4 forwards on the pitch hoping for a draw and in divine mercy.
automatic translation.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Sep 4 2024 9:27 utc | 70
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:22 utc | 36
"At least you aren't quite as bad as the Israelis."
Your faux magnanimity for Palestinians is apparent.
Posted by: horseguards | Sep 4 2024 9:33 utc | 71
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2024 7:25 utc | 39
Playing the victim card to generate more materiel.
Posted by: horseguards | Sep 4 2024 9:36 utc | 72
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 4 2024 7:41 utc | 42
"The cowardly Europeans..." Indeed, by the almost total absence of NATO troops, isn't this the greatest example of wholesale cowardice by NATO in the history of warfare?
Aside from ensuring everyone killed, at least Churchill would have sent the whole British army (and navy and air force).
Posted by: horseguards | Sep 4 2024 9:46 utc | 73
Ukraine needs a bigger bagholder
Ukraine Braces for IMF Pressure to Devalue Currency, Cut Rates. Fund is meeting officials this week in Kyiv to review loan
. Ukraine needs to raise funds to help narrow budget gapUkrainian officials are expecting the International Monetary Fund this week to push it to devalue its currency faster, cut interest rates and strengthen its tax-raising efforts to fill the country’s budget gap, according to people familiar with the situation.
IMF staff visiting Kyiv are expected to pressure the war-torn country to pursue those steps to continue receiving financial support, as they undertake a scheduled review of a $15.6 billion loan program, Ukrainian officials with the knowledge of the topic for preliminary discussions with the fund. They spoke before the meetings began on Wednesday and asked not to be identified as the talks are private.
continues ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-04/ukraine-braces-for-imf-pressure-to-devalue-currency-cut-rates
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 9:48 utc | 74
LEMMNING1 | Sep 4 2024 9:27 utc | 70
The Brits and Americans striking into Russia from behind Ukrainian meat. I will wait for the new Russian nuclear doctrine.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 4 2024 9:49 utc | 75
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 4 2024 8:53 utc | 61
The RC-135 was up in the air in that picture on the link. Nato usually puts them up after some very damaging strikes in western Ukraine (because they don't really have time to see or react to any hypersonic missiles, which in this case blew up the Lwow rail station and maybe some sensitive material and personnel, judging by the large explosion and ensuing cloud).
The RC-135 seems to have flown through the Baltics and has been circling on the length of Russian-Finnish border for several times.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 10:21 utc | 76
blew up the Lwow rail station
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 10:21 utc | 76
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There is a further report that the airport was hit.
Lviv , strikes were carried out on the territory of the International Airport named after him. Danila Galitsky . The object was hit by at least 2 (two) Kinzhal hypersonic missiles and 2 (two) X-101/555 cruise missiles. According to preliminary data, as a result of the strikes , two MiG-29s of the Ukrainian Air Force were destroyed and another Su-24M was damaged . Exact locations of hits are unknown. It is worth noting that the passage along the Sknilovsky Bridge , which provides a view of the airport territory, is blocked according to local authorities.
excerpted and machine translated
https://t.me/don_partizan/5054
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 10:28 utc | 77
Zhivov further adds details on the Kursk adventure:
Kyiv planned to detonate a bomb at the Kursk Nuclear Power PlantPrisoner of war Mikhail Shkoda from the 82nd airborne assault brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stated this in a conversation with RIA Novosti.
According to him, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Syrsky, arrived at the location of the ninth reconnaissance company of the 82nd brigade on August 5, the day before the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ attack on the Kursk region.
He set the task of breaking into the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and planting explosives there, and also said that NATO specialists helped prepare the event.
@zhivoff22
Posted by: Boo | Sep 4 2024 10:31 utc | 78
🇸🇪🇺🇦 Analysis of the missile strike on the Poltava training center: consequences and conclusionsThe missile strike on the communications forces' training center in Poltava was a significant event not only in the context of current military operations, but also in the light of international defense cooperation. In addition to significant losses among AFU servicemen, the strike destroyed several foreign instructors from Sweden, which opens new aspects.
🔻 The attack on the training center in Poltava was aimed at destroying infrastructure and neutralizing trained personnel. However, this case became particularly notable not only because of the huge losses among enemy personnel, but also because of the presence of foreign instructors, particularly Swedish specialists who were supposed to train Ukrainian personnel to operate the latest ASC 890 airborne radar systems.
Sweden, which had planned the delivery of these aircraft and related training, faced the unexpected loss of its instructors, which emphasizes the high risks and uncertainties associated with international military cooperation for Ukraine.
🔻 What are the possible consequences?
▪️ Given that Sweden had been planning to deliver state-of-the-art airborne radar aircraft, the destruction of the instructors will hamper the training of Ukrainian personnel and delay the integration of the new equipment.
▪️ The death of foreign instructors will complicate diplomatic relations between Ukraine and Sweden. This event could cause a negative reaction from the Swedish government and the public, which could lead to a reconsideration of plans to supply military equipment and revise the level of support for Ukraine.
▪️ The strike on the training center may also affect the AFU's operational plans. The loss of trained specialists requires a revision of plans for training and the training of new personnel. This places an additional burden on the Ukrainian armed forces and may slow the introduction of new technologies and systems.
📌 The missile strike on the training center in Poltava demonstrated that no international cooperation is immune to surprises. Now Sweden, which had planned to supply Ukraine with the latest airborne radar planes, is forced to reconsider its ambitions, and Ukraine - as usual, fell face down in the mud. I wonder how Swedish partners will now discuss equipment deliveries taking into account the new "experience" in security and logistics.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/107970
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 10:33 utc | 79
Are the Kiev resignations a result of real or perceived failure or, rats fleeing a sinking ship?
Remember at the start when all the western pols, musicians and stars were in and out of Kiev on a daily basis? Haven't seen any of that in a while, fair weather friends scurry and hide. Wouldn't now be the time to go there, to show support in Ukraine's hour of need? I'm being way facetious. Western pols, musicians and stars have all shown their true colors, shit stained splatters of CIA rats, grifters, gratuity hunters, self promoters, compromised Epstein Island patrons, closeted queers, drug addicts, the list of true colors is a wide spectrum. Hey Bono, wouldn't now be the time for a U2 concert in support of rainbows and freedom and democracy, give Zelensky the hug he desperately needs? What's the matter worried the stench might rub off, being seen with now well apparent Nazi losers might ruin the brand?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 4 2024 10:35 utc | 80
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 10:28 utc | 77
Just taking a pot shot guess, but Nato was in the process of attempting to set up that airport to be capable of arming missiles. Nato hasn't been able to achieve a base capable of arming missiles (much harder than fueling due to required special loading equipment and missile stockpile). The ground crew for rearming would also be from Nato.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 10:40 utc | 81
"Apparently there were already 5 ministries without ministers."
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:44 utc | 21
Nazi Rats abandoning the sinking ship of state.
"I ask again, why is this strike on one place in Poltova that killed maybe 100 people so much more worthy of discussion than are the 2000-3000 people supposedly killed every single day for the past 3 months or so? Just because some Twitter poster said there were a few Swedes there which hasn't even been confirmed? Are Swedes THAT much more important than Ukrainians?"
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 7:06 utc | 31
For Fuck's Sake they were officers getting killed not your usual cannonfodder Peasants, that makes a monumental difference s a previoius poster revealed but you keep ploughing on on fallow ground..
Kindly please obsess on something else.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 4 2024 10:47 utc | 82
This mass resignation of cabinet ministers has to be understood in the context that they have made fortunes from western bribes, in exchange of continuing the war and unlimited mobilization. Zelensky said sometime in late 2023 that the war is waged on the basis of a 'rent' - if the West doesn't pay the rent, the war will end.
The western countries provided Ukraine with around $60 billion more loans in June 2024, in exchange for which Zelensky promised to mobilize 200k people within months, and launch a new offensive. The offensive was actually the Kursk offensive. It was a last ditch effort to break out of the losing attritional spiral, shake things up, 'humiliate Putin', and force some sort of humiliating defeat on Russia.
We should see resignation of these ministers in this context, the loan/grant money spigot is drying up (and as such, bribe stream, and personal wealth accumulation for officials and ministers). The costs and difficulty of maintaining sufficient mobilization is too large. The EU has been unable (maybe the EU commission is willing but physically can't) to allocate more money.
Once the rent stream runs out, the war ends, just like Zelensky said.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 10:58 utc | 84
SCOTT RITTER: On a Highway to Hell
Excerpt:
The last Nuclear Employment Guidance document . . . fully incorporated the new low-yield W-76-2 nuclear warhead into the nuclear employment plans of the United States. It did the same for the new generation of B-61 gravity bombs that constitute NATO’s nuclear deterrence force.
The employment plans . . . were based upon the concept of “escalate to de-escalate” (i.e. by using a small nuclear weapon, the U.S. and NATO would deter Russia from escalating out of fear of bringing on a general nuclear exchange.)
In short, America’s nuclear war plans were front-loaded for the localized employment of nuclear weapons against both a Russian and Chinese threat . . .
the Biden administration is now confronted with the possibility and or probability of a much larger, capable Chinese strategic nuclear force capable of surviving a limited U.S. first-strike and delivering a nation-killing nuclear payload to U.S. soil in retaliation.
To adjust to this new reality, the U.S. would need to allocate nuclear warheads currently targeted against Russia onto China. This would require that the U.S. not only develop revised target lists for both Russia and China, but also rethink targeting strategies in general, looking to maximum physical destruction over political impact.
More dangerously, the U.S. would have to look at employment strategies that maximized the element of surprise to ensure all targets were hit by their designated weapons.
This would require a change in the readiness posture and operational deployment areas of U.S. nuclear forces.
With increased readiness comes the need for vigilance against any preemption efforts by a potential nuclear adversary, meaning that U.S. nuclear forces will be placed on a higher alert status.
In short, the risk of nuclear war, inadvertent or otherwise, has become exponentially greater . . .
the U.S. is going to let the New START treaty lapse in February 2026 — once the treaty goes away, so, too, does the cap on the number of deployed warheads, and the U.S. nuclear establishment will be able to build up the U.S. operational nuclear arsenal so that there are enough weapons for every designated target.
Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 4 2024 11:04 utc | 85
And indeed, the authorities are already ready to tighten the "tax screws" on their own people, including businesses, while simultaneously cutting benefits and social programs.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 4 2024 9:07 utc | 63
That’ll teach’em to vote for Kier Starmer...
Seriously though, thanks for these two posts, They show that at least some Ukrainian voices acknowledge the prospect of civic and economic collapse.
I differ slightly with this part of “Resident”s observations:
Accordingly, it will be necessary to increase the already extremely high tax burden on the economy and devalue the hryvnia, otherwise collapse becomes inevitable.in that collapse is already inevitable. Measures like even more tax and tariff increases, and currency devaluation (highly likely to be the IMF prescription) will just hasten the collapse.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 4 2024 11:08 utc | 86
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 4 2024 11:08 utc | 86
The Hryvnia will probably collapse. The west could keep propping it up, but is too strained combined with upcoming financial upheaval and gradual losing USD status. And what incentive exists for BlackRock or banking cartel keep propping up Ukraine if mobilization goals fall short of targets and the thing simply collapses? First the front, then the state. I think state apparatuses will collapse without external funding.
Most likely Ukraine's USD or EUR denominated debt will become mostly write-offs. Expect to see BlackRock trying to productize and offload them off to western retail investors to mitigate their loss of Ukraine.
The other alternative path is we see more escalation, because the Ukraine debt could literally crash the Eurozone, and seriously hurt the US economy through the Eurozone (i.e. hurt the west). The escalation (which could go nuclear soon) is designed to hide these implosions.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 11:14 utc | 87
"I suspect one AFU strategy is to keep Russia's attention away from any Kherson/Mikolaiv/Odessa/Transnistria moves. If he keeps needling around Karkhov and Sumy and threatening deeper missile strikes towards Moscow, he thinks he's got Russia on the back foot. He's just stalling, poking as long as he can, waiting fur the cavalry to come. What a fkn eejit."
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Sep 4 2024 9:13 utc | 65
"For those who have a little experience with football, the Ukro move sounds a lot like the desperation of a coach whose team is 3 goals down with 10 minutes to go and he puts 4 forwards on the pitch hoping for a draw and in divine mercy."
In American Football we call it a Hail Mary-sometime it works:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 4 2024 10:35 utc | 80
Message to the west is quite clear, you are not safe on Ukraine land, we can hit everywhere and at any time.
Not shure if this is a cansequence of enhanced air control by RF or some sort of agreement that is no more valid.
I remember a Russian drone following the convoy of Annalena Barebock a few month ago, with no hit.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 4 2024 11:15 utc | 89
@78
Highly unlikely, if they want to destroy Kursk NPP, it would probably be enough to attack it with some of their bigger drones and long range artillery. Its of tchernobyl type, means it has no extra enclosure around the reactor core.
Maybe the goal had been to place explosives, NOT explode them, and then use this thread as a bargain for whatever.
Posted by: Rudi Ruessel | Sep 4 2024 11:16 utc | 90
Posted by: Rudi Ruessel | Sep 4 2024 11:16 utc | 90
Correct. This was planned as a blackmail operation, whether for exchange - ZNPP vs. KPP - or for something else who knows...
Posted by: Boo | Sep 4 2024 11:25 utc | 91
Most likely Ukraine's USD or EUR denominated debt will become mostly write-offs. Expect to see BlackRock trying to productize and offload them off to western retail investors to mitigate their loss of Ukraine."
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 11:14 utc | 87
I don't know about that.
I am of the opinion that Blackrock and other American companies that hmmmm, 'invested' in the Ukraine most likely got solid agreement from Uncle Sam that he would cover any corporate losses.
VKS demolished the main hub for the transfer of Western weapons Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 9:21 utc | 69
Which is something that should have been done on Day 1, not Day 923.
Posted by: Gnome Sane | Sep 4 2024 11:30 utc | 93
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 11:14 utc | 87
That kind of debt is target of vulture founds and some very risk accepting investor.
Foreign currency debt of Ukraine is not going to be a problem for EU or USA, someone will take the loss as it has happened a gazillion of times, Argentina comes to mind.
Problem in EU is/will be keeping founding a loosing project as country 404 is.
If you want is another Ponzi scheme where someone is goingbto gain big bucks and the peasant will pay.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 4 2024 11:30 utc | 94
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 4 2024 11:14 utc | 87
The NBU has been heavily involved in propping up the hryvnia, effectively operating a kind of daily spot-fix system. This has been at considerable expense to its own reserves.
It was slightly surprising that the last IMF meeting didn’t insist on changes to this, perhaps setting a wider range band for fluctuations. I certainly can’t see scope for interest-rate cuts, given the state of Ukrainian bonds.
I wonder if the forthcoming meeting is setting the scene for pulling the plug? Swingeing IMF-driven austerity measures bringing down the Kiev junta?
Blackrock will be made whole somehow, probably some accounting trick allowing them to mark their holdings at face-value rather than actual marketable value.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 4 2024 11:33 utc | 95
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 4 2024 6:02 utc | 3
The UAF is known to leave their dead on the battlefield.
They care more about foreigners than their own. This is a sort of mental illness - self-hatred.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 4 2024 11:35 utc | 96
reply to 63
Thank you for posting that information. In the heat of discussion, it may be difficult to have respect for male Ukrainians and their lives. I have speculated that Ukraine's decay is Darwinian and those left are too passive to resist their enslavers to any effective degree. Burning a few cars isn't going to do it. It's good to hear that more is being done to stop the march to slaughter of Ukr men while the government worries about dead Swedes.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 4 2024 11:36 utc | 97
Posted by: Gnome Sane | Sep 4 2024 11:30 utc | 93
Are you shure?
Let's examine scenarios or what if.
RF hit the hub in day 1.
All the nato stuff will be safe by being blocked and not reaching the front.
The Afu would surrender being unable to resist.
RF will be left with an intact Ukraine, an intact afu and an intact Nato supply waiting to find another route in Ukraine.
2 RF hit the hub today.
Quite a handful of afu is lost and same goes for the nato stuff.
What is the better outcome for RF?
Posted by: Mario | Sep 4 2024 11:37 utc | 98
some accounting trick allowing them to mark their holdings at face-value
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 4 2024 11:33 utc | 95
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Sure. That works as long as they don't need liquidity, which is notoriously difficult to hedge.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 11:45 utc | 99
Posted by: too scents | Sep 4 2024 11:45 utc | 99
When there’s a US Federal Reserve, there’s always a way...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 4 2024 11:52 utc | 100
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So how much media outrage to expect today after yesterday's Poltova strike?
It did a lot more damage than first though.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 4 2024 5:35 utc | 1