Ukraine - CIA/MI-6 Chiefs Push For New Terror Campaign Against Russia
U.S. officials admit that there is no way left for Ukraine to win the war.
The acknowledgment should lead to change in policies. But the U.S. is out of ideas. It will continue to push the downtrodden Ukraine along the Primrose path.
Here is Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin:
U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin cautioned on Friday there was "no one capability" that would turn the war in Ukraine in Kyiv's favour after President Volodymyr Zelenskiy urged the West to let his forces use its long-range weapons to strike Russia.
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"There's no one capability that will in and of itself be decisive in this campaign," Austin told reporters at the end of the meeting.
There are no super weapons left on the shelves that could change the picture. Everything that could be used has been used and failed.
The Kursk incursion was the last but short lived attempt to change the picture.
It did create some illusions ...
The War in Ukraine Is Already Over—Russia Just Doesn't Know it Yet - Reason
A front-line report from the Kursk offensive reveals that in the battle for hearts and minds, Ukraine’s resolve outpaces Russia’s crumbling morale, signaling an inevitable conclusion.
... only to soon be caught up reality:
Outgunned and outnumbered, Ukraine’s military is struggling with low morale and desertion - CNN
The Kursk incursion has failed.
In the summary of last weeks fighting, as issued by the Russian Ministry of Defense, lists a total of 142 Ukrainian armored fighting vehicles as destroyed or damaged during that week. Of these a full 112 were shot up in the Kursk region. Along the much wider frontline in eastern Ukraine only 30 Ukrainian armored vehicles became casualties.
The Ukrainian military had collected nearly all armored vehicle it had left and pushed them into the Kursk incursion. That last armored fist it had is now gone and a replacement is unlikely to happen.
As armored vehicles become a rarity what are the Ukrainian troops in the east supposed to use for holding the lines?
All that Ukraine has left to use is a terror campaign against Russian proper.
As Ambassador Bhadrakumar observes:
Putin said with quiet confidence that Zelensky “accomplished nothing” from the Kursk offensive. The Russian forces have stabilised the situation in Kursk and started pushing the enemy from border territories while the Donbass offensive is “making impressive territorial gains for a long time.” In retrospect, Zelensky’s Kursk offensive turned out to be a Himalayan blunder, which has taken the war to a tipping point favouring Russia.In this context, the extraordinary first-ever joint piece by the spy chiefs of CIA and Mi6 which appeared in Saturday’s FT shows that beneath word play and hyperbole, the Anglo-American strategy is in a cul-de-sac. Bill Burns and Richard Moore cannot even bring themselves to articulate what Biden’s objectives are despite admitting that “staying the course is more vital than ever.”
Burns and Moore hinted that covert (terrorist) operations by Krylo Budanov, Ukraine’s military intelligence chief, are the option left now in the proxy war. What a Shakespearean fall for a superpower!
The FT Burns/Moore piece in question (archived):
Staying the course is more vital than ever. Putin will not succeed in extinguishing Ukraine’s sovereignty and independence. Russia’s actions are a flagrant breach of the UN Charter and global norms. We will continue to aid our brave, resolute Ukrainian intelligence partners. We are proud to do so, and stand in awe of Ukraine’s resilience, innovation and élan.
All things the "brave, resolute Ukrainian intelligence partners" have come up with so far were destructive terror attacks against Russian individuals, population centers and infrastructure elements.
The only thing these attacks achieved was to increase the will of the Russian people to decidedly win the war as soon as possible.
Posted by b on September 8, 2024 at 12:54 UTC | Permalink
next page »Russianis going to fight terror with terror. Maybe once the head cutting and splitting open from sternum to stomach style of Afghanistan and Chechnya is done against the ukronazis, they will realise that it's not really a path one wants to stay on
Posted by: Tranceislife | Sep 8 2024 13:08 utc | 2
As I predicted two years ago the final stage of this war will be a guerrilla insurgency.
The only way to win is to remake (former) Ukraine into a new group of states and societies.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 8 2024 13:10 utc | 3
The US is the major practitioner and exporter of terror in the world. The UK is second. Israel is third. Terrorist states are international pariahs. They don’t belong in the UN; they don’t belong in the family of nations due to their own actions. We shall see what sort of international legal structure BRICS creates and what sort of teeth it has.
Posted by: Joseph Dillard | Sep 8 2024 13:14 utc | 4
Internet remembers everything, so terrorist would be easy to figure out.
Knowing that anyone who had posted derogatory materials about Russia and Russians are subject to Russian laws, most possible terrorists would flee before their territories would join Mother Russia or risk being sentensed by court martial.
Those who decide to stay would be meticulously checked against the Internet logs - see all the people who have been forbidden to re-enter Russia because of what they had said while being relocants.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Sep 8 2024 13:25 utc | 5
[email protected] makes you think terrorists will attack Russia, that's not how English terror works.
Wait till Britkrainia starts blowing up Discos and night clubs all over the EU and then finding Russian passports lying on the ground, pretty easy to spot the 'terrorists' no internet required.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 8 2024 13:47 utc | 6
Reading a russian report, I counted 8 brigades, 2 of which were assault ones in kursk, and 5 territorial defense brigades holding the rear in. Sumy.
There were more assault brigades before given ukrainian counter attacks in new York,which reopened fight in new York, and one by selidovo which pushed the Russians back from the city.
So kursk is a defensive operation now.
Ukrainian offensive capabilities are still intact though, given the size of new counter attacks I'd estimate they've lost up to half of it though.
Russia is pressing hard along the whole front. Holding povrosk isn't going to be enough. They needed to counter attack st chasiv yar, kupyansk ugledar and rabotino as well but they moved troops from there instead.
Ukraine is going to need more mobilization soon, make the rich city kids in kiev fight. That'll be popular lol.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 8 2024 13:53 utc | 7
Wait till Britkrainia starts blowing up Discos and night clubs all over the EU and then finding Russian passports lying on the ground, pretty easy to spot the 'terrorists' no internet required.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 8 2024 13:47 utc | 6
Well, some more sanctions against Russia will be in order then.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Sep 8 2024 13:54 utc | 8
Ukraine Weekly Update, 6th September 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-250
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 8 2024 13:59 utc | 9
Poslan1 and Tranceislife. Both posts reminded me of the west neo-nazis who we backed for the Maidan coup and the "where are they now" aspect. Have a majority been killed or captured? Are the ones who didn't fight still in the country? Are they fleeing the sinking ship? And where will they go? Poland?
Posted by: curtis | Sep 8 2024 14:04 utc | 10
Scaling down from a "Special Military Operation" tò "Anti Terrorism Objectives" would be a major strategical victory for Russia being it a change of paradigm because of the "fluidity" of terrorism as such. The panic in the EU is exactly this: a victory on the military front by Russia would imply a consequential outburst of ukranian nationalism in the regions bordering Poland, Hungary and Romania eventualing spilling over the borders.The European Union is at stake. V
Posted by: Veritas | Sep 8 2024 14:18 utc | 11
In my mind, what's being said is: "Even if you – Russia – win the war, we the mighty would never consider you are rightful winner of this conflict, and a nation among others. You'll be a pariah state, against which every move is justified and will be tried."
A blackmail, a threat. Oedipal level blindness.
But first of all, bad, bad sportsmanship.
Posted by: js | Sep 8 2024 14:28 utc | 12
In my mind, what's being said is: "Even if you – Russia – win the war, we the mighty would never consider you are rightful winner of this conflict, and a nation among others. You'll be a pariah state, against which every move is justified and will be tried."
A blackmail, a threat. Oedipal level blindness.
But first of all, bad, bad sportsmanship.
Posted by: js | Sep 8 2024 14:28 utc | 12
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Meh, business as usual them. Nothing in the RF's favour since 1991 has been considered good or legitimate.
It's just the relative strengths have changed, and the CW are a lot more shrill & insecure.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Sep 8 2024 14:46 utc | 13
The mockingbirds are chirping on cue.
Sky news:
Reckless Campaign of sabotage across Europe being waged by Russia
https://news.sky.com/story/mi6-and-cia-warn-of-reckless-campaign-of-sabotage-across-europe-being-waged-by-russia-13210838
On Russia, the heads of MI6 and the CIA said Russian intelligence was waging a "reckless campaign of sabotage across Europe".
They did not list examples but there has been a spate of mysterious sabotage and arson attacks on infrastructure in the UK, Germany and in the Baltics.
US intelligence also reportedly foiled an alleged Russian plot to assassinate the chief executive of Germany's leading arms manufacturer.
As well as physical sabotage, Sir Richard and Mr Burns warned of the threat posed to Western democracies by Russian information operations.
'Staying the course is more vital than ever'
They talked about the Kremlin's "cynical use of technology to spread lies and disinformation designed to drive wedges between us".
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 8 2024 14:50 utc | 15
The Russian Army is conducting a series of successful counterattacks in the Kursk region, driving the enemy out of Komarovka and Sheptukhovka!In several areas, our troops confidently seized the initiative and, a week ago, drove the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of Komarovka, significantly pushing back the occupiers and forcing the survivors to flee to Vishnevka.
After clearing Sheptukhovka (where maneuver groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered), more than a week ago, the Russian Armed Forces attacked and cleared several plantings near Pogrebki, destroying up to a company of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
The enemy continues to drive reinforcements and attack on the flank of Korenevo - at Kremyanoye and Olgovka but is losing positions in other areas. Here, the situation is most difficult for us.
According to the Ministry of Defense, the Russian army repelled 2 enemy attacks in the direction of the villages of Borki, Matveyevka, Korenevo and Russkaya Konopelki over the past 24 hours.
Russian fighters are pushing the enemy further and further away from Korenevo, attacking in the south of the village.
In general, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost several positions, and our forces liberated a considerable area and blocks of several settlements from the occupiers, destroying, without exaggeration, several hundred combat armoured vehicles, cars and howitzers.
Fierce fighting continues.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/108284
Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2024 14:54 utc | 16
Superficially, they are admitting that they can't beat the Russians. But does this translate into some kind of realistic strategy in the region? Of course not. Doing so would mean they would have to acknowledge that they never had any business interfering in Ukraine from the start, which would call into question their entire geopolitical agenda of controlling everything, everywhere. Few seem willing to ask what the US is doing in a faraway Slavic nation that meant almost nothing in trade or tourism. The only thing the west has got is a lot of contrived virtue signaling, which much of the brainwashed public seems all to willing to participate in. Admitting that they are wrong means admitting that US foreign policy is a criminal enterprise, so they will double down on the criminality by supporting terrorism. If you can't beat the Russians with wonder weapons, Ukrainian meat sacrifices and sanctions, you can at least kill Russian civilians and try to wreck their country. That's how western leaders think.
Posted by: Mike R | Sep 8 2024 14:54 utc | 17
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 8 2024 13:10 utc | 3
The Kursk adventure could have been used to infiltrate terrorist cells.
More generally, the best (only?) proper way to mitigate terror campaign is gradual depopulation of east and central Ukraine, population pushed west. Tight immigration scrutiny in Ukraine between.
The front generally is stable enough, which mitigates potential for terror campaign through Ukraine, compared to a scenario where all areas would be occupied in a short amount of time.
As a result, there is much more time to root out terrorists, as their accumulation is slow through stable/slow front.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2024 15:02 utc | 18
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 8 2024 14:50 utc | 15
The 'Russian sabotage campaign inthe west' are actually disgruntled Ukrainians sabotaging stuff in the west.
These bs narratives are really nauseating, but who cares, the main thing is that critical stuff is burnt down causing headaches to the west.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2024 15:06 utc | 19
We are obviously slipping into darkness. We are witnessing and emergence of pure evil in the West (the Empire) that I've never seen before particularly in the Washington milieu which, I'm familiar with--I had to leave it a dozen years ago and it's gotten far worse. Are ordinary citizens going to be able to see it? Will a changing of the guard in Washington help or continue the trend?
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Sep 8 2024 15:07 utc | 20
The Kursk offensive has been memorialized by selfies in front of a looted supermarket.
That is how the incursion will be remembered.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2024 15:13 utc | 21
The US is the major practitioner and exporter of terror in the world. The UK is second. Israel is third. Terrorist states are international pariahs. They don’t belong in the UN; they don’t belong in the family of nations due to their own actions. We shall see what sort of international legal structure BRICS creates and what sort of teeth it has.
Posted by: Joseph Dillard | Sep 8 2024 13:14 utc | 4
This is like saying the Army is the biggest killing machine, the Airforce is the second, and the Marines are third. They are all part of the same system, all controlled by the same government. All the 'nations' you mention are controlled by the same bankers.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 8 2024 15:14 utc | 22
Kursk gives Ukraine’s sponsors a splash with forces that were destined to be gradually destroyed anyway. If there’s also a desire to wrap up this phase of the conflict before the U.S. elections, for a post election pivot to China, it’s all rational enough.
Or are we still pretending that Ukraine’s sponsors are unsure as to what “Zelensky’s” strategy is in Kursk?
Latest:
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🏴☠️ German Chancellor Scholz said the time has come for discussions on how to speed up the end of the military conflict in Ukraine.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 8 2024 15:22 utc | 23
Simply killing nato officers will not do. . Russia must kill as many English mercenaries and soldiers including English spies as possible-that is the only way to stop this war and future wars because it is england only which plots all these wars to be executed by Americans and her vassals.
But Russia has already lost ten war ships to British underwater drones. Russia should have atleast attacked British navy and English mainland in return as a deterrence.
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:22 utc | 24
nato and usa”.
As early as in 1949 the first NATO Secretary General, british Lord Ismay, candidly admitted that NATO’s true goal was “to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down”
USA does not need NATO it was created by one nation and for the benefit of one nation only to create havoc in Europe on strength of American arms but crookedness of someone else-
you hear that from the horse’s mouth of the people who created NATO and are still controlling it to wage wars on the nations it does not like -which is all of the world except evil 5.spies.
There is a confusion among many that USA uses
Nato exert her influence in Europe. In fact USA does not need nato . But that entity
is needed by a third rate country which after second world war found herself
without real power so nato was created by that country to keep Germans down and
Russians out using American arms and American
money..
Since early 90s that same country manoeuvred to keep Nato alive and
install her stooges in European commission like british spy barrasso and English witch catherine
ashton and many more inside European bureaucracy to make Europe follow one and only one policy
to be dictated by that same country.
Name of the evil country? Of course it is england.
Russia-know thy enemy !
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We lie, we cheat and we steal" (Mike Pompeo, former US Secretary of State and CIA director). This is the foundation of Perfidious Albion and the current USA establishment IF they are unable to compete with honor, dignity and fairness. Whatever is said about Russia today are simply lies because they LOST. It is the same for China. "Western polling" has confirmed the Chinese population have a 95% approval rating of the CPC and Xi Jinping. Western educated mouthpieces cannot grasp what is explained by this old Martin Jacques quote:
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Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:23 utc | 25
the real strategic 'war' isn't NATO vs. Russia, but UK vs. EU.
EU should have made a security and energy pact by accepting RF back in the 90's or at least when Putin put the house in order.
But that would not suit US/UK axis that wanted to pillage RF and neuter the EU.
Think of Russia to Germany gas pipe line which Was sabotaged to hurt not Russia only but Germany even more. Typical British plot and action.
Now there is one doubt that I have, do they want to bring the EU down to its knees or just assure that a unified vassal can be created in the next 15 years to go head on against the RF...
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:24 utc | 26
What Russia must do but has not done in the last 15 years despite so obvious signs of danger from pirate nation.
At the gathering in 2007 at Munich security conference, Putin jeered at Washington for overreaching itself and acting as if it presided over a unipolar world. Putin went on to menacingly warn that the United States, "has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations.
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Still
4th June, 2007.
President putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.in fact it was not America but england which asked for ABM against Russia. BBc spy journalists were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.in other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england ! “
Russia must target (rather than should) the nuclear missiles with multiple war heads against all ( including military installations) of england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how germany wes villified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
-such is the evil propaganda of british spies inside america. .
poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards.
It is no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english race which must be annihilated from the face of the world.
Russia should not have signed to INF because her main enemy is spared from restriction of distance of 500 to 3000 kilometers. who that evil enemy might be? Of course the perennial trouble maker and plotter england nation .. In fact russia needs to build massive strike capability to turn england into ash because that evil country is behind all plots to destabilize Russia and other nations. Only the fear of england being attacked will stop usa and others to do anti russia bidding. garbachow like all Russian elites are compromised to leave without target the main and arch enemy .
7/06/2015
The most sure and cheapest way for Russia to survive-without spending arms and ammunition on fighting so many fronts-is to give a stern warning and ultimatum to england the main evil and plotter of all major wars-that unless england refrains from interfering in Russian interests-, Russia will massively nuke england to ash heap.
that will stop all evil doing in world because us does not fight for black americans, italian, german americans and no not even for Jewish americans-it fights fort the interests of English ace only because americans have internalized that they re not free of england but a satellite or special friend of that evil country england.
all from persistent British media propaganda and british infested Hollywood.(all third rate films get Oscar as long as they have British input there).
hence attacking england and destroying that evil nation at first seconds and minutes is the best Russian strategy in any ensuing war which is coming even if Russia doesn't want war.
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:27 utc | 27
in the next 15 years
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:24 utc | 26
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Lets see what the next 15 weeks brings before we speculate about years.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2024 15:28 utc | 28
Both NATO and the EU are instruments of London, just as the UN is the creation and tool of the US.
"There are no sovereign nation states left in Europe in general now."
Europe has been occupied since 1945.
So has Japan.
This war is about freeing the world from domination by the Anglosphere. The iron fist in a velvet glove empire.
England controlled and manipulated west lives in managed oligarchies. The managers (prime ministers and presidents) are not allowed to deviate on the big issues Davos crowd wants. Look what they did to Trump because he opposes anthropogenic Climate Change hoax, open borders, and other initiatives. They want Ukraines resources and Russia's too so will keep pushing until they cant anymore.
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:29 utc | 29
No fly zone
In 1982 britain arbitrarily imposed 200 miles security no ship no plane zone around British ships. ( It is another matter that in her interest, Soviet union should have sunk the British fleet and brits could have done nothing. In fact after Malvinas war, British resurrected their evil ways of sabotaging other nations including Russia.) In 1990 same england imposed sanitary zone around British ships in the Persian gulf with no authority to do that but did that anyway to see how much pirate English can get away with.
Russia in the middle of hostilities against nato, has not imposed no fly or no shipping zone even after 18 months in black sea.
That shows how stupid is Russian leadership and is insult to the average Russian's honour.
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:31 utc | 30
Austrian Emperor.
Considering the extent of the disaster(at battle of Austerlitz and of Ulm before that in 1805 instigated by england with money stolen from India), The Austrian Emperor said
“THE ENGLISH ARE DEALERS OF HUMAN FLESH, THEY PAY OTHERS TO FIGHT AT THEIR PLACE”.
The Emperor forgot to mention that the payment is from the victim or some other pople’s wealth like from India and USA, African land.
And English are too coward to fight on their own-they have never won a single war on their own since boar war in 1899 and that too with all resources of loot from empire.
The English are at this game even now-they now use American arms to further their agenda- was created by them for that purpose.
Isn’t it interesting to watch how the English pirate nation contrives to manipulate by greed, deception and duplicity, the vulnerable in the world.
Russia would be foolish to take lightly the danger of england-sooner that country is destroyed better it is for the humanity it is a pestilence of the clone subhumans which we call English nation.,better it is eliminated sooner rather than late..
Josef Stalin during Great Patriotic war said "the Americans and British will fight the Nazi's to the last drop of Russian blood"
Posted by: sam | Sep 8 2024 15:32 utc | 31
We are obviously slipping into darkness. We are witnessing and emergence of pure evil in the West (the Empire) that I've never seen before particularly in the Washington milieu which, I'm familiar with
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Sep 8 2024 15:07 utc | 20
Chris, this 'pure evil' has been driving US policy at home and abroad since the US became a thing, all you're seeing is the mask being stripped away. The US was founded by the emerging bourgeoisie, and all their talk in the American and French revolutions liberty, equality and democracy was about THEIR liberty to plunder their fellow man without the constraints of feudalism hanging over their heads. Democracy in the US and the west generally has always been designed to assure the victory of the ruling class- the big bourgeoisie. The Dulles bros marked the ascension to unbridled power of the most ruthless elements of that class. If you didn't see that on day one in DC, what did you see? Like most Americans, you probably saw your paycheck. A paycheck that was fatter than your productive contribution to the economy warranted because it was paid for by the ruthless exploitation of foreign workers, the destruction of economic competitors, the forced opening of foreign markets, the theft of resources from around the globe, and the largesse of corporate powers redirecting everyone else's taxes for your benefit.
You congratulate yourself for seeing the evil you've been participating in for a long, long time. Apparently you think you're not an 'ordinary citizen.' Your last question is one that only somebody who still doesn't understand what they've been living with their entire life could ask.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 8 2024 15:32 utc | 32
ISIS will need to be mobilized for a new round of attacks.
Posted by: Bob | Sep 8 2024 15:35 utc | 33
🇷🇺🇺🇦Iranian MP confirms media reports of ballistic missile deliveries to Russia.Ahmad Bakhshaesh Ardestani, a member of the parliamentary committee on national security, acknowledged Iran's military assistance to Russia.
"We have to engage in barter to meet our needs, including importing soybeans and wheat. Part of the barter involves sending missiles and another part involves sending military drones to Russia," Ardestani said in an interview with Didban Iran on Saturday, as quoted by Iran International.
Asked whether this could lead to increased sanctions against Iran, the MP replied: "It can't be worse than it is now. We give rockets to Hezbollah, Hamas and Hashd al-Shaabi, so why not give them to Russia?"
"We sell weapons and get dollars. We bypass sanctions thanks to our partnership with Russia. We import soybeans, corn and other goods from Russia. Europeans sell weapons to Ukraine. NATO entered Ukraine, so why don't we support our ally by sending missiles and drones to Russia?" Ardestani said.
Let us recall that Iran officially denies supplying missiles to the Russian Federation.
At the same time, Western media write that more than 200 missiles with a range of up to 120 kilometers have already been delivered .
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 8 2024 15:40 utc | 34
@ anon2020 | Sep 8 2024 15:40 utc | 36
Why should Iran, a sovereign nation, be hamstrung by Western opinion?
Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2024 15:47 utc | 35
Ukrainian offensive capabilities are still intact though, given the size of new counter attacks I'd estimate they've lost up to half of it though.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 8 2024 13:53 utc | 7
How do you reconcile 'still intact' with 'lost up to half of it'? They have some capacity for limited counterattacks left, but Kurks demonstrates that they did not in fact have 'offensive capabilities' before that operation, as without air defense and air cover their assault forces were decimated five times over, and the carnage is ongoing.
The Ukes have no strategic offense capability. They can make tactical counter-attacks, and will be able to until they surrender. This is always a feature of modern war. Your last battalion can always charge the enemy spearhead as a delaying tactic, but they pay for it heavily.
There are still a lot of Uke troops to make spoiling attacks and local counter attacks, and a lot of territory to give up as slowly as possible, so if that was all that was happening, the war would be years away from ending. However, as we see, attrition has entered the acceleration phase, when the relative superiority of Russian forces not only causes an ever increasing number of Uke casualties, while minimizing their own, but Ukraine's ability to patch holes in the line is almost exhausted while Russia's ability to bring up enough force to punch new ones is expanding. This will have a cascading effect at some point, and the only thing that makes it difficult to put a time-line on is the unknown of western commitment. If the US withdrew support now, the tipping point would be now and the collapse of Ukraine a matter of months. Gauging at what point the US walks away is beyond my ability, given the lack of substantive information about western military stockpiles and insanity among the top leadership, but I would guess that the Russians and Chinese have a much clearer picture, and that is what is guiding their strategy globally.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 8 2024 15:48 utc | 36
Posted by: Veritas | Sep 8 2024 14:18 utc | 11
the EU is a stake? Maybe? I believe the EU is already non functional as far as the average European is concerned. The governed are voting EU leaders out; defeated EU leaders are refusing to leave their offices and refusing to change their ways.
Furthermore EU leadership has exposed the average European to possible Russian retaliation and to a life in poverty engineered by western suppliers. What seems to be at stake is monopoly control over supplier access to global markets, including European markets. (No Russian gas to be allowed to be sold or used in Europe).
Privately owned western suppliers do not want to compete with Russian suppliers.
IMO, the German state is unsustainable without access to cheap Russian oil and gas and cheap and plentiful Russia oil and gas makes China unbeatable. So, until the western suppliers gain control over Russia and its gas, oil, raw materials and productive capacities everything else is on hold.
Posted by: snake | Sep 8 2024 15:49 utc | 37
Nothing has changed, “to the last Ukrainian” policy remains in effect. If the USA/NATO could achieve the 100% extermination of the Ukrainian people while taking a proportionate number of Russians with them, they would consider the operation a success. Is there another historical example of a country that was goaded into suiciding itself in this fashion? I cannot think of one. The entire nation is basically a suicide bomber now.
Posted by: Moonraker | Sep 8 2024 15:51 utc | 38
"the boar war"
To paraphrase President Trump, "..they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us".
Posted by: billb | Sep 8 2024 15:55 utc | 39
thanks b...
the usa and the west at this point - they support terrorism, while claiming the exact opposite... they have more distance to fall..
Posted by: james | Sep 8 2024 15:58 utc | 40
USA does not need NATO it was created by one nation and for the benefit of one nation only to create havoc in Europe on strength of American arms but crookedness of someone else-
Posted by: Sam | Sep 8 2024 15:23 utc | 25
Nonsense. The US is and always has been the prime mover in NATO. It's certain the UK bankers are deeply allied with American bankers- international finance capitalism has been a thing since long before WWI- but the US has been the dominant 'national' entity since WWII, and designed NATO as an anti-communist institution like all the other American-created institutions since. 1991 allowed NATO to become overtly offensive, but it had always functioned to reduce American military commitment to the defense of Europe so that their military could be focused on offensive operations in other theaters- usually involving some military support from NATO nations, though, or their dependencies, such as Australia in Vietnam.
There is no doubt that the UK ruling class, and its minions in MI5/MI6 and the military more generally, are very active contributors to American global hegemony, nor is there any doubt that they still have interest of their own, but the US has systematically degraded UK and western European capacity to act independently since NATO was founded, not only militarily, but also economically. UK can no longer have any foreign policy the US does not allow it to have, and any 'differences' one sees there, or with EU countries, is 99% kayfabe.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 8 2024 15:59 utc | 41
Iran is bartering wheat for missiles? What does India exchange for the oil they get cheaply from Russia and sell at great mark-up?
If China is such a great ally, why are Chinese banks yielding to US pressure and stopping money exchanges with Russia?
Why are Brazil, India, and China pressuring Russia to negotiate with the Kiev regime, which we all know is controlled by the west? Why should Russia lose all those men, only to buckle under to the Nazi-controlled Kiev regime? China is next on the US list. Why are they still complying with US orders?
It seems to me that Russia is getting the worst from its new "partners". They take Russian resources, and then stab them in the back on orders from Washington, DC.
Only Iran, and DPRK, seem to be honest partners.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 8 2024 16:02 utc | 42
The US wants to leave a devastated wasteland for the Russians, just like the Nazis did in WW2. So they will want the Ukrainians most certainly to fight to the last Ukrainian, in an attempt to suck up as many Russian resources as possible and to make sure that Ukraine is utterly devastated. Only the Ukrainians can rescue themselves, either by individual generals negotiating with the Russians or the people overthrowing their vassal government.
The Ukrainian rulers are now talking about completely closing the Western border to emigrants as they woke up to the fact that letting more women and children leave will mean utter demographic collapse for Ukraine. I have seen reports that another 400,000 left in the past few months, a rate that will jump as the reality of a winter with no electricity, heat, light and possibly running water sinks in.
The ability of the Russian security services to make contact with, and build relationships with, senior people in the Ukrainian military and civilian hierarchy will be key. Quite possibly the reason why the Ukrainian Fuhrer Zelensky keeps making so many changes to those in senior positions in the administration and in the army.
From the OP: "All that Ukraine has left to use is a terror campaign against Russian proper." Well, yes, and actions against Russia elsewhere, like Transnistria and Kaliningrad and Syria and using forces in Georgia et al. It has seemed to me the point of the Kursk incursion was to lay the political/propaganda base for further extension of the war against Russia. Nordstream bombing repeated, wider, more often, more bloodily. On reflection, action against Belarus may be on the wish list too.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 8 2024 16:04 utc | 44
🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kupiansk-Svatove Direction: Liberation of Synkivka and Fighting West of PishchaneSituation as of 6:00 PM on September 8, 2024
In the Kupiansk-Svatove direction, Russian forces continue the offensive on several sectors of the front, where the Russian Armed Forces also have significant successes.
▪️After consolidating in the center of Synkivka a little over a week ago, Russian troops advanced to the northern outskirts, confirming the full control of the Russian Armed Forces over the settlement. For more than a year, heavy fighting took place for the village, and ultimately it was liberated by Russian forces.
▪️Simultaneously, the offensive continues west of Pishchane. Russian Armed Forces units advanced in an area approximately 4.5 kilometers wide and up to 2.5 kilometers deep towards Kolesnikivka.
▪️A little further north, on the line of Kyslivka - Kotliarivka - Tabaivka, the fighting remains positional in nature. Russian troops strike with heavy flamethrower systems, and UAV operators engage Ukrainian positions and strongholds.
🔻At the same time, strikes continue on the pontoon crossings that the enemy is building along the Oskil River. However, the AFU constantly restore the damaged objects, despite regular fire impact on them from the Russian Aerospace Forces.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17538
Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2024 16:05 utc | 45
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 8 2024 16:02 utc | 44
Post of the month/year
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 8 2024 16:07 utc | 46
I have heard that terrorism has intensified for a while in China's Uyghurs and in Russia's Chechnya, but terrorists basically subside when life becomes stable.
It is necessary to force Kiev to swallow a visible surrender and impress upon the whole world and the Ukrainians themselves that Ukraine has been completely defeated in regular warfare.
Next, it is necessary to hasten the reconstruction of the liberated eastern part of the country.
If western Ukraine becomes a cesspool of terrorism and thuggery while the lives of easterners stabilise, the anger of young people who will eventually join terrorist organisations will turn to the collective West itself.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 8 2024 16:12 utc | 47
Putin and his friends still dream about some "deal", or compromuse with the west. But these rwo "gentlemen" clearly say that there shell be no peace, no compromuse but fight until one or the both sides are completely anihilated.
The west shall escalate, they see destruction of Russia as their most important mission in the last 1000 years.
Posted by: vargas | Sep 8 2024 16:16 utc | 48
Posted by: too scents | Sep 8 2024 15:47 utc | 37
They’ve obviously had their reasons for waiting so long to make this sort trade in public. I’ll post a more detailed analysis if I find one.
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 8 2024 16:18 utc | 49
Re: Kiev’s Military
Can we please stop describing Kiev’s military as independent of NATO ? Kiev’s military is 100% NATO commanded, supplied, trained, and staffed. It’s a fair estimate that maybe 100,000 sheep dipped NATO are in-country.
Just please say NATO in the Ukraine
Posted by: Exile | Sep 8 2024 16:20 utc | 50
Roger@1602
In my own way I am praying for those "condemned" urban Ukrainians who will likely have "no electricity, heat, light and possibly (probably) no running water", as you pointed out. If they wish to survive the winter months they. MUST return to their rural roots, getting the hell outta dodge. Many will have relatives, perhaps distant ones, who still live in the tiny villages in the countryside. Those individuals may be able to resurrect some survival skills and barely get by through the winter.
Come springtime and they will need to follow the steps of their ancestors. Those thoroughly urbanized, multigenerationally citified, will have one helluva rough time...unless, perhaps, those "allies" of their corrupted and corrupted Maidan regime; would take pity and send food. But what to do for heat and water?
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 8 2024 16:21 utc | 51
"Russia’s actions are a flagrant breach of the UN Charter and global norms"
But invading Iraq was just fine evidently
Posted by: James Lawrie | Sep 8 2024 16:21 utc | 52
its no wonder different nations call NATO different, yet similar names:
North American Terrorist Organization
Nazi-Aligned Terrorist Organization
North Atlantic Terror Organizers
Nazi Anglo Terror Organization
and so on. usa is the world sponsor, financier, enabler, practitioner of terrorism. 30+m dead since ww2. adolf hitler would be proud of his brothers in spirit.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 8 2024 16:21 utc | 53
wage laborer@1602
Under pressure from those regimes which are controlled by the ruling Bank$ters; the Chinese are facing threatened sanctions...most particularly in the banking sector. Though it would be economically costly, but perhaps not rehabilitating; the shotcallers in Beijing will need to have a little talk with those bankers within China...and also with the exporters who would be hard-pressed by those threatened sanctions.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 8 2024 16:25 utc | 54
"Ukraine has begun flying UAVs that drop thermite, a molten metal, on Russian forces at the front, CNN has reported. The incendiary munitions were developed in Germany and widely used by the Nazis and Allies alike during the Second World War."
Please have patience while Rome burns by molten metal from swarming UAVs. Analyze and discuss. Time's up.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 8 2024 16:28 utc | 55
Ukrainians should urgently prepare for a black winter, which many will not survive in large cities due to the lack of electricity.⚡️There may be no power for 16 hours: Kyiv, Odessa and Kharkov are weak points in the energy system. The situation there will be the most difficult in winter, - Director of the Center for Energy Research Kharchenko
According to him, Kyiv and Odessa are huge consumption points, Odessa has almost no own generation at all, and Kharkov is under fire.
"In winter, Kiev lacks 700-900 megawatts of power, which must be brought in from outside. If there is nowhere to bring them from, let's be honest, if Kyiv is cut off from external power supply, Kiev residents will sit without power for 16 hours a day, and this will be normal," says Kharchenko.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24260
Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2024 16:29 utc | 56
Has anybody seen Budenov or the American General Aguto lately?
Some 4-6 month's ago Budenov gave an interview to some publication (The Economist?), anyone seen og heard from him since then?
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 16:33 utc | 57
Kiev residents will sit without power for 16 hours a day, and this will be normal," says Kharchenko.Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2024 16:29 utc | 58
i almost belive they will still not dare protest against their own government for this mess but will cheer on when the eu airdrops some blankets.
... on second thought, they should not take any blankets from any western country. i remember a time where some ex-europeans used the same method to get rid of people that inhabited land that they wanted.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 8 2024 16:34 utc | 58
Kiev residents will sit without power for 16 hours a day, and this will be normal," says Kharchenko.Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2024 16:29 utc | 58
i almost belive they will still not dare protest against their own government for this mess but will cheer on when the eu airdrops some blankets.
... on second thought, they should not take any blankets from any western country. i remember a time where some ex-europeans used the same method to get rid of people that inhabited land that they wanted.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 8 2024 16:34 utc | 59
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 8 2024 13:53 utc | 7
Meh, one of the biggest criticisms of the ukro-wermacht is that they wasted a lot of their potential trying to do both offensive and defensive war at the same time with the limited human resources they have. Russians punished them for it, and will continue to do so. Probably, they best strategy is to pull behind dnepr and unleash the terror campaign that the homo pedos from MI6 are preparing.
Posted by: Boo | Sep 8 2024 16:34 utc | 60
Posted by: vargas | Sep 8 2024 16:16 utc | 50
##########
I seem to recall you saying you were Russian. Is that correct?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2024 16:35 utc | 61
My fear is that the West will turn Ukraine into an insurgency like Syria, Libya, and like what was in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mired in hopeless bloodletting, Ukraine would have no future, but the West could dribble in just enough money and weapons to keep Russia busy there.
It is purely murderous, for no goal except being murderous and hateful.
Worse, that was apparently the original plan, not anything new, and so they would just fall back on it after the bigger effort did not work out.
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 8 2024 16:38 utc | 62
Honzo@1559
Appears that yourself and many another poster here on MoA simply do not get it. The Pro$titicians in the Di$trict of Corruption are OWNED lock, stock and poppycock by the International Bank$ter elite. Those nefarious Crime Clans just happen to OWN the "Federal" Reserve Bank as well as most other Western banking entities.
Thus, the U$$A has NO agency...not even the Agency itself has that level of empowerment. Ever since the British Empire finally began its disintegration process as the result of WWI, then exacerbated massively with WWII, when the Jewel of the Empire (the source of the primary British wealth by means of colonialist extraction of resources) India, was ungraciously granted its independence (ditto Islamic Pakistan) in 1947; the U$$A with its massive resources, highly developed industrial puissance and its relatively large population...became by Imperial intent...the designated ATTACK DOG for the financier elite.
This Ruptured Republic is under total control by the Bank$ters...whose intention is their Golden Rule...to wit..."Them that's got the gold makes the rules".
Ever hear of "The Rules Based International Order"?
Uh huh.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 8 2024 16:39 utc | 63
Honzo@32 assumes that getting rid of feudalism wasn't a Good Thing. God save us from this kind of thinking. It's like that guy who thought the British Empire was going to liberate the slaves and that's why there was an American Counterrevolution. (This may be a misrepresentation of Gerald Horne personally, haven't read his book yet.)
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 8 2024 16:40 utc | 64
After 16 days on the beach, Joe Biden doesn't know what his "objectives" are.
He will know it when his handlers write the next statement (which is a very short version of a speech) and he mumbles his way through it, refuses questions afterwards, then stumbles off for more ice cream.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Sep 8 2024 16:41 utc | 65
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 8 2024 16:02 utc | 44
And then few days ago that silly bimbo Zaharova managed to piss off the Iranians by revealing that the Russian Foreign ministry is in fact supporting the turko-azerbajdzhani claim on the Zangezur area. The Iranian FM responded almost immediately and made it clear that this is not in Iranian interests. Why are the Russians giving benefits to Iranians enemies?
The only explanation, IMHO, is the fact that Kremlin is still in the hands of the gas exporters lobby which is deeply enmeshed with gaidar aliev
Posted by: Boo | Sep 8 2024 16:42 utc | 66
🇺🇦Regarding publications about the alleged delivery of Iranian ballistic missiles (BM) to Russia, we will repeat what was said earlier: we can speak about this with confidence only after evidence of their use by the Russian Armed Forces. For now, such news should be taken with a grain of salt.The reasons are the same - since 2022, there has been more than enough speculation about the imminent transfer of missiles from Iran to Russian troops, and each time the publications referred to the most reliable sources and almost indicated a specific nomenclature with the date of shipment. However, over two and a half years, these products have never been seen in the SVO zone.
📌It is also difficult to assess the possible impact of Iranian ballistic missiles on the course of military operations in the event of delivery. At least for the reason that at the moment they are a "pig in a poke", and their real technical characteristics - especially the circular error probable - are not known for certain.
At the same time, the appearance of missiles from the Islamic Republic will increase the capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces to hit targets in the enemy's rear areas, at least in terms of salvo power. And it may also force the Ukrainian Armed Forces to spend more expensive missiles for the Patriot air defense system, the number of which is currently limited.
#Russia #Iran #Ukraine
@rybar
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 8 2024 16:51 utc | 67
I read the FT article earlier and my immediate thought was that it confirmed western control and direction of the objectives and operations related to the Kursk fiasco. It also confirmd to me that the operation was run by MI6/CIA as they are claiming that this operation was a "success" in that Putin was destabilised. If they had distanced themselves from the fubar- well that would have told you much also. So looks like we are still on the regime change bandwagon.It also confirms the view that the KNPP was the real objective, and we can expect further attacks that are terroristic in nature and objective.
But really, the FT has sunk low in the world to report anything these professional liars say as remotely being the truth - particularly as they are personally invested in promulgating their own narrative. An believe me, as someone who has spent good money subscribing to the FT, I won't be repeating the mistake.
Posted by: marcjf | Sep 8 2024 16:53 utc | 68
Snake@1549
There is no even distant possibility that "the EU would gain control over Russia"...and its massive resources. Thus they will need to resort to Plan B. How they will accomplish their divorce from the Bank$ters and those U$$A Attack Dogs which happen to be the enforcement mechanism for the financier elite...I do not know. For starters, the populace and perhaps elements of the national military in those resource dependent countries would be obliged to kick their "leaders" down the steppes.
Once liberated from their leaders, step #2 would be for Germany to demand a peace-treaty (which they have not been "granted" since 5-8-45) by the U$$A, Perfidious Albion and Revanchist France)...and whether or not those nefarious "Allies" actually accede to the demands...one way or another REMOVE those occupational forces from Germany, Italy and other European nations currently under the thumb of those military implants.
So the solution is quite simple, yet improbable to the extreme. Some tough decisions ultimately must be made, beginning with the gradually...and then rapidly...devolving economic resources and jobs, jobs, jobs.
Russia is absolutely essential for Europe's economic survival. Hungary, Slovakia and perhaps Serbia are acutely aware of that looming collapse. Thus, the rest of Europe MUST engender their own Great Awakening. The forces of evil are taking Europe down. They will need to throw off their chains to sustain a decent level of survival.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 8 2024 16:54 utc | 69
There is no doubt that the UK ruling class, and its minions in MI5/MI6 and the military more generally, are very active contributors to Aipac global hegemony, nor is there any doubt that they still have interest of their own, but the Aipac has systematically degraded UK and western European capacity to act independently since NATO was founded, not only militarily, but also economically. UK can no longer have any foreign policy the Aipac does not allow it to have, and any 'differences' one sees there, or with EU countries, is 99% kayfabe.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 8 2024 15:59 utc | 43
Sorry Honzo, i replaced all off your USA/America with AIPAC. I do not understand why we are talking about The Un- United States of America.
America is City/Aipac's rabbid attack dog. And the European X-tribe elite follows along.
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 17:00 utc | 70
" Only Iran, and DPRK, seem to be honest partners.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 8 2024 16:02 utc | 44 "
Yet, Russia doesnt reciprocate. Odd indeed.
Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 17:03 utc | 71
" Is there another historical example of a country that was goaded into suiciding itself in this fashion? I cannot think of one. The entire nation is basically a suicide bomber now.
Posted by: Moonraker | Sep 8 2024 15:51 utc | 40 "
The closest example to what you're talking about would be " The war of the triple alliance " in which Paraguay almost suicided itself.
" After Paraguay was defeated in conventional warfare, it conducted a drawn-out guerrilla resistance, a strategy that resulted in the further destruction of the Paraguayan military and the civilian population. Much of the civilian population died due to battle, hunger, and disease. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War
Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 17:09 utc | 72
Posted by: James Lawrie | Sep 8 2024 16:21 utc | 54
It does not impress me that these kind MSM writer deliberately refer to the UN Charter.
Because There are a matter that are forbidden to be mentioned, despite it isthe root cause of this war and despite it being a clear breach of the UN Charter.
That the original legitimate government in Ukraine was destroyed in 2014 by a neo-Nazi mob bought by neocons, and that a foreign country's government, established on the basis of normal election, is overthrown by a foreign state employing Neonazi thugs, It looks a clear breach of Article 2 of the UN Charter.
The scum intelligence agencies of the US that have completely ignored "non-interference in internal affairs", but I don't remember reading any Nuland's cookie stories in the media of this kind.
I guess these people have a promise that they should never mention Nuland's cookies for the origins of this war or at what point the UN Charter was breached.
So I think that statement can only mean that one of the FT reporters is shameless.
If fhey want to talk about anything about UN rules, they must always start by asking whether the UN rules justify such a thing, hiring a thugs to overthrow another country's government.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 8 2024 17:09 utc | 73
The only explanation, IMHO, is the fact that Kremlin is still in the hands of the gas exporters lobby which is deeply enmeshed with gaidar aliev
Posted by: Boo | Sep 8 2024 16:42 utc | 68
Maybe not the only explanation- but I have been thinking a bit along your lines regarding both China and Russia.
https://www.rt.com/business/603586-russia-china-us-sanctions-payments/
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 17:11 utc | 74
French elite [Rottenchild] planned Kursk's incursion seriously failed and the CIA/MI6 know it. The trap worked perfectly. What France has now instead is an ongoing social unrest which will continue for weeks to come until it ultimately explodes.
Posted by: AI | Sep 8 2024 17:17 utc | 75
Significant increase in AFU casualties in the Kursk region according to Russian MoD today.
"Over the past 24 hours, the AFU losses amounted to up to 510 troops and 19 units of hardware, including three tanks, one infantry fighting vehicle, 15 armoured fighting vehicles, two artillery guns, one electronic warfare station, and 13 motor vehicles.
Since the beginning of hostilities in Kursk region, the AFU losses amounted to more than 11,220 troops, 87 tanks, 42 infantry fighting vehicles, 74 armoured personnel carriers, 624 armoured fighting vehicles, 361 motor vehicles, 84 artillery guns, 24 MLRS launchers, including seven of the U.S.-made M142 HIMARS system and five of the U.S.-made M270 MLRS system, eight SAM launchers, two transport-loading vehicles, 21 electronic warfare and seven counter-battery radars, two air defence radars, eight units of engineering vehicles, including two counterobstacle vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearing vehicle."
Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 8 2024 17:20 utc | 76
" That the original legitimate government in Ukraine was destroyed in 2014 by a neo-Nazi mob bought by neocons, and that a foreign country's government, established on the basis of normal election, is overthrown by a foreign state employing Neonazi thugs, It looks a clear breach of Article 2 of the UN Charter.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 8 2024 17:09 utc | 75 "
Who told Viktor Yanukovych not to use force against the "neo-Nazi" mobs ?
Who told Viktor Yanukovych to flee Ukraine instead of employing the full might of the Ukrainian security forces against the " protestors "?
Who recognized the illegitimate "election" of Petro Poroshenko ?
Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 17:21 utc | 77
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Sep 8 2024 16:38 utc | 64This is a possibility, certainly appealing to some. However, there's the problem that such a plan hampers the extraction of resources from Ukraine that's been planned. So others in the ruling circles may prefer any form of truce (could be less than peace), so as to exploit Ukrainian soil/metals/people undisturbed. I know what you mean by "Ukraine has no future" and I agree if you refer to common people. The current leadership will think differently: while the war is a lost proposition, they do see a future for themselves.My fear is that the West will turn Ukraine into an insurgency like Syria, Libya, and like what was in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mired in hopeless bloodletting, Ukraine would have no future, but the West could dribble in just enough money and weapons to keep Russia busy there.
It is purely murderous, for no goal except being murderous and hateful.Purely murderous yes, no goal: no! A lot of goals have been achieved: Sweden/Finland in NATO, Germany's industry in tatters and part of it moving to the US, totalitarisation on the home font (an important subgoal in everything that has happened for at least 20 years IMO).
I agree that an Afghanistan style scenario where the US drops everything on short notice and leaves the humanitarian problems to EUrope is possible. This will happen if the open the China front.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 8 2024 17:30 utc | 78
There’s an excellent new album by “The The”
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lyFkE0TSBdZvIXVFkd7-dDE-K18UKzaZ4&si=pgEXM0UWTrLqYcKp
Including this song “Kissing the ring of Potus”:
The Empire of Lies secures allies
Like a spider ties up flies
Those hand-picked parasites ruling the servile satellites
Know who they dare not criticise
A psychopathic superpower spies from the sky
Transmitting viruses into the mind's eye
"It's vassalage or war!"
Shrieked the Casablanca whore
Slaughter by proxy
The hidden hand
The cat's paw
Kissing the ring of POTUS
Under the spell of hypnosis
The proof of psychosis
The coup that nobody noticed
The criminals were anointed
The false flags were hoisted
Missiles flattening, nations shattering
Yet, even while it was happening, it wasn't happening
By now so conceited and proud
They brag of their crimes out loud
"We cheated, we stole, we lied!"
"We came, we saw, he died!"
So, is this how the Empire dies?
Its constitution withered on the vine
Propped up by the dollar and the drone
Slumped upon a degenerating throne
Kissing the ring of POTUS
Under the spell of hypnosis
The proof of psychosis
The coup that nobody noticed
Kissing the ring of POTUS
Under the spell of hypnosis
The proof of psychosis
The coup that nobody noticed
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 8 2024 17:31 utc | 79
"Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 8 2024 13:53 utc | 7
How do you reconcile 'still intact' with 'lost up to half of it'? They have some capacity for limited counterattacks left, but Kurks demonstrates that they did not in fact have 'offensive capabilities' before that operation, as without air defense and air cover their assault forces were decimated five times over, and the carnage is ongoing
"
Certainly kursk was expensive there's plenty of video of destroyed ukrainian military potential.
Still you might be thinking they're all massed together striking a powerful blow a big operation will have maybe 200 people and if you got more than 10 armored vehicles it hits news headlines.
So a brigade will have smaller units still fresh alongside attrited ones. These units conduct offensive operations of smaller scale, but nonetheless for appreciable gain.
I look at it as a function of damage and range. So half is just that half. Half as much shit can get fucked up.
I know this isn't applicable for too much damage, it's limited by smallest feasible operations with the most effective unit.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 8 2024 17:37 utc | 80
🇮🇷🇷🇺👉🇺🇸🏴☠️🏁 Iran denies information about the supply of ballistic missiles to Russia, Bloomberg reports, citing the Iranian Foreign Ministry.https://t.me/ZandVchannel/126626They said the accusations were completely unfounded and that Iran was not providing military support to either side in the conflict.
"Repeated statements about sending ballistic missiles to Russia are driven by political goals and motives of some Western countries and are completely unfounded."
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2024 17:38 utc | 81
Russia's Security Council met last Friday and discussed "the issue of the airspace control system over the territory of the Russian Federation." IMO, the goal being to close the holes in the AD system so no "leakers" occur. And that would need to be applied to the entirety of Russia's borderlands with NATO, and its East and Arctic coasts where lots of targets exist. Yes, a huge task requiring many AD systems and troops to man them in places that might never be attacked. Russia's war against NATO or is it NATO's war against Russia has yet to get beyond its opening phase of fighting to the last Ukrainian; but as the FT interview shows, that's only the beginning phase. IMO, Russia must be prepared for attacks on its vulnerable LNG production facilities in Yamal and elsewhere where sea drone attacks are more likely than AFV types.
[email protected] I was just posting the other day about Russia's rear being exposed. How attacks there, with LRWs, might well cause issues for RF energy exports. Some posters blew me off suggesting I didn't know what I was talking about, citing Russian energy exports.....when little Englander gets through with his little terror campaign there won't be much left to process any energy. Don't forget Cameron signed the Brits up for 100 years of support for Britkrainia.
Cheers M
......Russia has lots of juicy targets, I'd expect Whitehall has the attacks mapped out for at least the next 25/30 years......
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 8 2024 18:09 utc | 83
84 years since the assassination of Leon Trotsky
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/anniversary-assassination-leon-trotsky.html
Posted by: hightrekker | Sep 8 2024 18:20 utc | 84
🔹400 thousand Ukrainians will go abroad due to problems with electricity;🔹in winter, electricity and heating may be for 4 hours a day;
🔹there may be no electricity for 16 hours. Kyiv, Odessa and Kharkiv are weak points in the energy system.
OPshnye garbage dumps, led by the official channel of the Center for Countering Disinformation, are massively disseminating narratives that in winter the country will have almost no electricity.
Not typical, right? Usually, "we can handle everything" is poured into the ears...
Pay attention to the emphasis on megacities. Their residents are strongly hinted that it is better to leave the country for the winter...
In fact, there are no lies here. How Ukraine will get through the winter is a big question!
It's all about the motivation of this information campaign. Bankova realized that they will not be able to do ANYTHING with the residents of Kyiv, Odessa or Kharkov (women, children, old people), who blocked the cities due to the lack of electricity/heat and water in the cold. And they will demand not only to give electricity...
In addition, after the start of Zelensky's Kursk adventure, the systematic knocking out of the Ukrainian energy system by the Russian Armed Forces will obviously continue. Bankova understands this and is "preparing". The only question is how many more shellings like the one on August 26 will the Ukrainian energy system endure: 1, 2 or 3.
Therefore, Bankova set the task of the CIPSO to informationally squeeze Ukrainians out of the country for the winter. Fewer residents - less risk of mass riots☝️
https://t.me/ZeRada1/21404
Posted by: Down South | Sep 8 2024 18:20 utc | 85
Sean t L @1809
You actually believe that Perfidious Albion will actually exist in its present state of cultural degradation and economic regression "for at least the next 25/30 years?
Oh, you with immodest faith in a failing, flailing post-imperial reality. One cannot gauge future reality based on past glory. Only the present reality gives one some possible indication of future trends.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 8 2024 18:29 utc | 86
Boo @ 68 / Paul from Norway @ 76
It’s important to remember that that one of the main "problems" if not the main one, the USA has with Russia is that Russia doesn't sell it's gas and a good part of its oil wholesale on the world spot market, which is controlled by the USA. That's also part of the Wall St./CIA neoliberal makeover of world resources, everything everywhere by everyone must extracted at lowest cost and wholesaled as a cheap commodity, every country including big producers Russia, KSA, Venezuela, Iran, etc must behave like a banana republic, the plan for Russia as a fossil fuel supplier is to turn it into Nigeria.
Russia trades the old fashioned way, negotiated directly between the parties with fixed 2-5/y contracts, it's a fair, non exploitive, non manipulative deal for both sides. The USA controlled "free market" the spot market, even if it weren't a leash on industrial producers is volatile and makes it hard for industries to calculate costs and hence investments into the future. It's just another short sighted neoliberal scam, vacuuming up funds to leverage into the Ponzi bubble machine that either by design or misadventure has damaged industry throughout west and trying to spread like a cancer thought the RoW.
Russia is fighting exactly to defend the old fashioned, proper and cost effective way of doing business by direct contracts, that's why it honors its gas deals with the EU despite the hateful existential adversary the EU has become. It's also my guess why it places oil and gas deals above politics regarding allies Iran and Azerbaijan, and also my guess is that it's not a big deal for any of the three. If it was it wouldn't be in the news.
One day the war will end, the west's reputation as honest negotiators in both politics and business will have been destroyed but Russia's credibility with the RoW will remain. Just as importantly any positive future developments towards multipolarism in the west, particularly the EU, will be aware of that and they will come begging to Russia.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 8 2024 18:29 utc | 87
43 honzo
Labour has reinforced the “special relationship” with Washington by agreeing to make Britain’s nuclear arsenal permanently dependent on the U.S.
In one of its first, but little-noticed foreign policy moves, Labour has amended the Eisenhower-era 1958 Mutual Defence Agreement (MDA) that is crucial to Britain’s Trident nuclear missile system.
Officials deleted a long-standing sunset clause that required it be renewed every 10 years.
All references to an “expiry date” have been removed “to make the entirety of the MDA enduring, securing continuing cooperation with the U.S.,” according to a memorandum signed by Defence Secretary John Healey.
Kate Hudson from the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) told Declassified: “This spells farewell to even the smallest notion of parliamentary responsibility for Britain’s foreign and defence policies.”
Posted by: Jo | Sep 8 2024 18:36 utc | 88
The Kursk adventure could have been used to infiltrate terrorist cells.
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As a result, there is much more time to root out terrorists, as their accumulation is slow through stable/slow front.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 8 2024 15:02 utc | 18
I'm sure classical terrorism will be part of it and I've no doubt Putin knows how to deal specifically with this kind of threat.
However I'm more referring to actual "resistance" type operations that will happen when the conventional military capabilities of Ukraine have been degraded.
Even when the conventional army of Ukraine collapses the remainder will pose the threat of classical guerrilla insurgency.
I.e, when the AFU collapses that will not be the end of the war, merely a transition to yet another phase on the territory of the former Ukraine.
A phase that will continue for at least as long as the second Chechen war (which ran roughly for 10 years!).
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 8 2024 18:40 utc | 89
thanks b for posting re this news from cia mi6 deliberate self justifying sccaremongers . No evidence of the sabotage by Russia really but they on sky tv quoted Skripal affair suggesting we are vulnerable to novichok attacks to destabilise society as has been "proven "already....perhaps their context also includes such as the assummed Russian sabotage on the Czech armaments factory ..and anything else in their insane collection of could have been =definitely was and will be....
Posted by: Jo | Sep 8 2024 18:43 utc | 90
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 8 2024 17:31 utc | 81
thanks for The The, this is amazing
Posted by: vargas | Sep 8 2024 18:43 utc | 91
Jo @ 90
“This spells farewell to even the smallest notion of parliamentary responsibility for Britain’s foreign and defense policies.”
If I got it right, France did the same thing last year, handing over its independent nuclear deterrent to NATO, and the top commander of NATO is the Pentagon. NATO is a military entity not a democratic entity, and Europe is not a federation that controls a military but instead NATO is a military that controls a federation.
All this is extremely worrying, and tragically sad for France, tells you what a true patriot de Gaulle was and what an abject traitor Macron is, traitor to the point of wiliness to send his country and its people straight to burning hell. If Macron was around in 1940s he's be the first Vichy fucker embracing the German invaders.
Hard to understand that in the 1980s when the nuclear threat was far away millions protested across the UK against USA bombers stationed there, now that it's around the corner everyone is seemingly calm. Maybe it's the lockdown on the media today, people don't even know.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 8 2024 19:02 utc | 92
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Sep 8 2024 15:07 utc | 20
You’re correct. But there hasn’t been a time where they weren’t evil, ethnic cleansing, genociding, imperialists.
This meeting of Burns and Moore illustrates the desperation of the Atlanticists. An unprecedented joint show is directly meant to address recent talk of divergence between US and UK on strategy. But it’s just a show, like most of their bullshit. What each of these sneaky evil bastards really think will be unknown to each other.
Regarding logistics and security of the meeting, it was only announced minutes before. I don’t fully understand who the other attendees at this PR junket were, but it tells you how detached these lunatics are that they are in fear of attack travelling within London.
The venue was Kenwood House on Hampstead Heath which is administered by the Corporation of The City of London.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 8 2024 19:11 utc | 93
Posted by: AI | Sep 8 2024 17:17 utc | 77
French elite [Rottenchild] planned Kursk's incursion seriously failed and the CIA/MI6 know it. The trap worked perfectly. What France has now instead is an ongoing social unrest which will continue for weeks to come until it ultimately explodes.
This is the same in most of Europe- French elite Rothc, Swedish Wallenberg, Norwegian were the Nobility are crawling back into the open, Danish NovoNordic- Maersk, Finland with their Nobility, EU and City with their choosen ones, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak, Starmer- it is absolutely mindbooggeling.
Fico tried to protest- got shot. Orban started his own peace-initiative- anybody heard anything about that lately?
Europe is going down- by design. Prepare for war. Hitler started militarization in 1933 and were ready 7 years later. So we are in the correct timeframe of WEF 2030.
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 19:16 utc | 94
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Kissing the ring of POTUS
Under the spell of hypnosis
The proof of psychosis
The coup that nobody noticed
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 8 2024 17:31 utc | 81
Although I could play others - love the cognitive dissident!
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Sep 8 2024 19:20 utc | 95
vargas @ 93
thanks for The The, this is amazing
Vargas enjoys music? A much more advanced AI than I expected. Should we be afraid?
But ditto, thanks both for highlighting this, I'm streaming it, last thing I listened to by The The was in the 1980s, I had no idea the guy was still around.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 8 2024 19:21 utc | 96
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 8 2024 16:54 utc | 71
There is not even distant possibility that "the EU would gain control over Russia"...and its massive resources.
<=thanks for the reply, I never said the EU would gain control over Russia; I said the privately owned suppliers to the European market..are using supplier controlled governments to attack Russia, in order to prevent Russian from competing against them in European markets.
I believe the western side conductors of these wars are private non state actors (Banksters, Oil and Gas companies, corporate farmers and processed food suppliers and related industries). the Governments are their proxies. <= there is just no gain to any European state worth expending its energy and donating it resources to defeat or deny Russia nor is their any reason for them to agree to refuse to buy and use Russian goods and services, especially when many such goods and services are cheaper and in many cases the better choice.
To me it is obvious this war is about eliminating Russia as a competitor and about taking from Russia whatever is possible, and about preventing Russian oil and gas to supply China (China is the worlds most efficient competitor on nearly every front). Russian oil and gas makes China unbeatable!
Honzo's post | Sep 8 2024 15:59 utc | 43 gives a hint at what I am talking about..
"UK can no longer have any foreign policy the Aipac does not allow it to have, and any 'differences' one sees there, or with EU countries, is 99% kayfabe." <=private interest control the governments that manage the states..
Nokaz | Sep 8 2024 17:09 utc | 75
the original legitimate government in Ukraine was destroyed in 2014 by a neo-Nazi mob bought by neocons
says the same thing " private parties with special interest are the culprits" <=this is the reason, IMO, that there is no one in government for Russia to negotiate with.. the people running the governments are not in control.. they are yes men, popularly elected, privately controlled politicians.
AI | Sep 8 2024 17:17 utc | 77 "French elite [Rottenchild] planned Kursk's incursion" says the planners were private parties..
Posted by: Jo | Sep 8 2024 18:36 utc | 90
“This spells farewell to even the smallest notion of parliamentary responsibility for Britain’s foreign and defense policies.” <=the parliament has nothing to do with foreign defense...? <= its in the hands of private enterprise.
LightYearsFromHome | Sep 8 2024 19:02 utc | 94
France did the same thing last year, handing over its independent nuclear deterrent to NATO, and the top commander of NATO is the Pentagon.<=the parliament has nothing to do with foreign defense...? <= its in the hands of private enterprise.
<= it is my opinion that governments are the leases which private owners use to keep their dogs in check.
Posted by: snake | Sep 8 2024 19:36 utc | 97
Europe is going down- by design. Prepare for war. Hitler started militarization in 1933 and were ready 7 years later. So we are in the correct timeframe of WEF 2030.
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 19:16 utc | 96
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This meme needs to die. NATO with the US barely has the capacity, for a war on the scale of the SMO.
Without the US the idea is a fucking joke. The EU hasn't mobilized jack-shit because they can't. Whilst emptying out their entire WarPac armouries of useful equipment, plus a lot of "western" gear. Which turned out to be nothing special against a real opponent. Rather than milita or helpless basket-cases.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Sep 8 2024 19:43 utc | 98
There is saying: you can ignore reality, but you can't ignore consequences of ignoring reality.
Posted by: Abe | Sep 8 2024 19:46 utc | 99
I seem to recall you saying you were Russian. Is that correct?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 8 2024 16:35 utc | 63
no. I am not Russian
Posted by: vargas | Sep 8 2024 19:47 utc | 100
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https://thehill.com/policy/international/4867719-us-british-intel-officials-laud-ukraine-russia-incursion/
I suppose maturity demands that we accept "intelligence" agencies as broad gauge liars as needed for national purposes. However,I think we can still be critical if they are incompetent liars, at least. That's the case here.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 8 2024 13:07 utc | 1