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September 22, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-227

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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No school today for Israel, unless you are a religious crazy

Posted by: Polli | Sep 22 2024 13:33 utc | 1

China’s biggest walkie talkie manufacturer got sanctioned by USA right after Lebanon Hezbollah was trying to purchase thousands of units.
The sanctions and purchases are in the same month period.
And the sanctions are lifted at the end of that month.
It must be a coincidence
So for a years-long trade-secrets dispute, the actual ban only lasted from Apr 2 to Apr 17 And it was right during this short 15-day interval when Hezbollah totally, coincidentally, just HAPPENED to buy thousands of units.
Source: ShangaiPanda on X
SLG Notes: Could be coincidence, but there is no way this does not involve the US.
Slavyangrad

Posted by: Jo | Sep 22 2024 13:47 utc | 2

Should this be renamed the Palestine and Lebanon thread?

Posted by: Afro | Sep 22 2024 14:18 utc | 3

Posted by: Jo | Sep 22 2024 13:47 utc | 2
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China is not a terrorist state like the US of A and Israel. I think you got that wrong.

Posted by: AI | Sep 22 2024 14:25 utc | 4

Posted by: Jo | Sep 22 2024 13:47 utc | 2
Mark Wauck posted several links exploring “coincidences” suggesting US involvement in Pager crimes
https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/quick-update-on-the-pager-terror
from MenchOsint @MenchOsint. Sept 16 [2024]:

2 x US Air Force EC-130H Compass Call (Electronic Warfare) active in the eastern Med Sea. The EC-130H can disrupt enemy Command and Control communications, perform offensive counterinformation operations, and carry out other kinds of electronic attacks.

included this from ‘way-back machine, 2015:
Wireless Hacking In Flight: Air Force Demos Cyber EC-130 By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.
https://breakingdefense.com/2015/09/wireless-hacking-in-flight-air-force-demos-cyber-ec-130/
Recently Michael Hudson said that “Netanyahu is just like Zelensky,” a US tool; Israel is USA’s tool, having taken over from the British ‘running’ Israel to further US imperial interests in the region. Those interests are not merely control of oil for its own sake but control of oil to control activities of those who provide- or need- access to oil; and especially to control trade routes: Israel (the empire?) wants Gaza as part of US answer to Belt-Road: India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC), and BenGurion Canal.
Rothschilds played a major role in the Suez Canal: original financing was from France and Egypt. In 1875 the Egyptian wing experienced financial embarrassment. Benjamin Disraeli heard of the situation and swiftly out-bid other offers to loan the money/buy the interest. With £4,000,000 borrowed from Rothschilds, Disraeli purchased for Victorian Britain what became a majority interest in the Suez Canal
https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/the-suez-canal-purchase-and-the-making-of-modern-britain/#:~:text=The%20Suez%20Canal%20opened%20in,a%20critical%20line%20of%20communication.

Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 14:33 utc | 5

link to Michael Hudson, “Why does US Support Israel,”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AeAfFfTqMk
further to 14:33

Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 14:36 utc | 6

The israeloid casualty count must be off the charts if this is happening:
“Rambam health care campus in Haifa starts operating from its parking garage”
Ram Bam thank you Ma’am!
We’re told a few people got lightly injured.
Then we’re told the hospital needs to push patients into it’s parking lot (Hey @”Pages in pockets” – parking lot – get it?? hahaha).
Something clearly doesn’t add up …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2024 14:39 utc | 7

Posted by: AI | Sep 22 2024 14:25 utc | 7

China is not a terrorist state like the US of A and Israel. I think you got that wrong.

I don’t think Jo was suggesting that China is a terror state that abetted the pager attack. Jo wrote, “USA imposed the sanctions”. — conveniently, to remove that option and funnel Hezbollah to a pager supplier of USA preference.
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China has significant investments in Israel, and at least a decade ago Israel made a determined effort to explore Israel-China relations “as US dominance declines.”
I was suspicious of Israel-firster activities in USA that seemed to nudge along USA decline; I wondered if Israel was preparing for China to become its new sugar daddy.
BUT if IMEC-BenGurion Canal is competitor to Belt and Road, what position will China take on Israel’s (intended) total ethnic cleansing of Gaza in order to complete IMEC?
Will China join in the IMEC trade route as “good business;” oppose IMEC on moral grounds; what?
China HAS arranged a 14-party alliance of Arabs/Palestinians.
In best of all worlds, China would negotiate Israel into an agreement whereby IMEC goes forward in a one-party state of Palestine — Jews and Arabs equal in every way. IMEC to provide economic benefit to Palestinians AND Jews.
Outraged Me demands that Israel MUST pay a price, a major price, for its land thefts and murders etc.

Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 14:54 utc | 8

Sorry, another armchair general´s opinion. It seems that the Israeli government´s main weapon is their gold plated air force. When those million dollar babys are on the ground they aren´t much good. The time for the drone or missile strike is right after the land or before they take off – armed. The airfields are in reach and the capability is there. Looks like they are starting to do that. Airbases and power plants!

Posted by: c | Sep 22 2024 15:08 utc | 9

The Libyan ambassador to the U.N calls out the hypocrisy of the UN members and calls the Israeli representative a clown to his face:
Libiya ambassador holds up mirror to Israeli chap in UN, embarrasses biased West
What I find remarkable about the representative’s speech is that it reflects very closely what many of us on this site have been saying for months if not years.
Moreover, he calls out the tardiness of the UN in it’s observation of ‘international law’, stating that what the UN is really debating in this session is “whether or not to observe international law”.
Powerful words.
Someone’s been reading MoA!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2024 15:42 utc | 10

“Rothschilds played a major role in the Suez Canal: original financing was from France and Egypt. In 1875 the Egyptian wing experienced financial embarrassment. Benjamin Disraeli heard of the situation and swiftly out-bid other offers to loan the money/buy the interest. With £4,000,000 borrowed from Rothschilds, Disraeli purchased for Victorian Britain what became a majority interest in the Suez Canal
https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/the-suez-canal-purchase-and-the-making-of-modern-britain/#:~:text=The%20Suez%20Canal%20opened%20in,a%20critical%20line%20of%20communication.
Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 14:33 utc | 9
Winston Churchill’s father, Lord Randolph Churchill, a politician whom previously was briefly head of the Exchequer , died prematurely in 1896-from syphilis.
Lord Randolph and his American wife were spendthrifts and when Randolph died he owed Nathan Rothschild 66,000 pound equivalent of 12 Million pounds today.
Nathan wrote the debt off-kind of.
When Winston became Minister for the Colonies in 1921 or 22 Rothschild got his payment-Churchill allowed many, many more Jews into Palestine than was agreed.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2024 15:43 utc | 11

declassifieduk org
Israel waged decade campaign via schemes in UK to get avoidance from international justice so that important Israel uk business coild continue.Starmer involved.
extract
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Despite the changes, the Israeli government was still not convinced its officials (both serving or retired) were completely safe from arrest in Britain.
In October 2011, Israel’s former foreign minister Tzipi Livni visited Britain and was faced with an arrest application over alleged war crimes committed during Operation Cast Lead, Israel’s brutal bombing campaign of Gaza in 2008-9.
In line with the new legislation, the application was sent to the DPP, Keir Starmer, who according to one Israeli document was “actively considering granting his consent” to the arrest.
Starmer nonetheless deliberated on the evidence for long enough that the Foreign Office was able to attribute “special mission status” to Livni’s visit, granting her temporary diplomatic immunity.
Precisely why Starmer failed to reach a decision in time remains unclear. The CPS is refusing to release information to Declassified about what happened.
Livni walked free. But the incident convinced the Israeli government that Britain’s new safeguards were insufficient to protect its officials from arrest.
As a result, the Israeli ministry of justice continued to lobby Britain over its approach to universal jurisdiction cases.
In June 2013, Israel’s attorney general held “detailed and expansive discussions” with Starmer on the issue.
A follow-up meeting was attended by CPS international director Patrick Stevens and Marlene Mazel from Israel’s department of special international affairs.
The high-level discussions continued into 2016 with the establishing of a “UK-Israel dialogue on Universal Jurisdiction”, the leaked files show.
The dialogue opened in November of that year, with Israeli foreign minister Tal Becker and justice minister Roy Schondorf meeting with the then DPP Alison Saunders and several other British officials in London.
It was clearly a secretive affair. “Make sure the meeting is not subject to the FOI [Freedom of Information] act”, instructed one Israeli note.
During the meeting, the Israeli delegation emphasised once again how officials “would like to visit the UK for a variety of reasons”, but “the status quo complicates their ability to do so”.
It was also noted how the issue had “taken a harsh tone that is surprising between close friendly nations”, with the Israeli government constantly applying for “special mission” certificates and taking up “a substantial amount of senior UK officials’ time”.
To this end, further modifications to British legislation were encouraged such as drafting a UK-Israel agreement on concurrent jurisdiction and replacing DPP consent with that of the Attorney General.
It was also agreed “that a high level UK official will publish a public statement regarding the independence, fairness and impartiality of the Israeli legal system”, according to one Israeli file.
Yet once again, this was not enough for the Israeli government.
Over the following weeks, Israeli officials continued to push the UK government to make further changes, grumbling about how “unnecessary and unmeritorious processes” could be initiated against “members of the Israeli government [… and] military”.
In a confidential dispatch, Britain’s ministry of justice tried to reassure the Israelis that “since the introduction of a requirement for the DPP to approve applications for private arrest warrants, no such arrest warrants have [been] issued for anyone, including Israeli visitors”.
Despite this, the issue apparently remains unresolved.
Since 2016, the Israeli government has continued to apply for “special mission” certificates for visiting Israeli officials, including Livni and the former defence minister Shaul Mofaz.
The UK government has also provided these certificates amid the ongoing genocide in Gaza, with Israeli war minister Benny Gantz receiving diplomatic immunity to visit Britain in March 2024 for meetings with then foreign secretary David Cameron.
Britain’s justice ministry and foreign office were approached for comment.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 22 2024 15:50 utc | 12

Arch Bungle@1453
One issue we need to bear in mind is that the Izzies are notorious for purposefully targeting hospitals in Gaza; both Hamas and Hezbollah humanistically resist such temptations as the horrors that the enemies of humanity are inflicting on not only hospitals and medical helpers such as ambulances.
Thus, logically, the Izzies have no need to evacuate their own hospitals. Perhaps their guilty consciences…if they still possess them…are evacing their own hospitals because their twisted minds cannot comprehend an enemy which does not play their game of tit for tat.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 22 2024 15:51 utc | 13

@all (and esp Arch Bungle)
STOP feeding the trolls!!!

Posted by: b | Sep 22 2024 15:56 utc | 14

…..A settler from Kiryat Bialik, north of Haifa, told the Israeli newspaper “Maariv:” “We have never seen anything like this before, not even in 2006. We all assumed that there would be a response from Hezbollah, but we did not think it would be this strong, especially when there is the ‘Iron Dome,’ which is supposed to protect us…….
TV interview
https://x.com/PalestineChron/status/1837777942660739105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1837777942660739105%7Ctwgr%5E3935720ad3da6b127ba18687fd00df54134fe02e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.palestinechronicle.com%2Fgaza-live-blog-hezbollah-strikes-deep-inside-israel-massacre-in-shati-massive-damage-in-haifa-day-352%2F

Posted by: Exile | Sep 22 2024 16:09 utc | 15

🇮🇱 Israeli Army Radio:
“Netanyahu calls for an emergency meeting in an hour, a number of ministers and security officials have been invited to attend the security discussion. Israel is preparing for an immediate escalation.”
What now? Tactical nukes?
If they escalate to tactical nukes I think Tel Aviv and Haifa get a synchronised rain of missiles from at least four directions.
And that will be the end of the Zionist colony.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2024 16:14 utc | 16

“@all (and esp Arch Bungle)
STOP feeding the trolls!!!”
Posted by: b | Sep 22 2024 15:56 utc | 14
Will do.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2024 16:16 utc | 17

I just read that the IDF has now vowed to “Dismantle and degrade Hezbollah”.
Looks like Hezbollah will only get stronger.
Almost 1 year ago the IDF said the exact same thing about Hamas. Hamas has grown stronger and wiser. Hamas tactics of late, are having a devastating effects on IDF.
I see a wild eyed Ukrainian type of desperation forming in Israel.

Posted by: golddigger | Sep 22 2024 16:16 utc | 18

STOP feeding the trolls!!!
Posted by: b | Sep 22 2024 15:56 utc | 14
O.K

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2024 16:18 utc | 19

@ ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 14:54 utc | 8
The big difference for Israel between the US and China is that China has nearly no Jewish population at all and thus there can be no direct Zionist influence on or participation in the Chinese government from within. This is a huge, huge difference. Even Russia still has a significant Jewish population, but China and other East Asian countries do not. Nor will China, after its experience with colonialism, allow any foreign aliens to weasel their way into its ruling elite.
Of course, that does not mean that Israel can have no influence at all on China, because there are always external relations, including possibilities of trade and investment. But to bend China to act against its own interests the way the US has been bent, that isn’t going to happen.

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 22 2024 16:26 utc | 20

https://www.the-express.com/news/world-news/149301/israel-full-scale-invasion-lebanon-radio-explosions
Oh, look. Yet another headline that Israel is gonna invade, real soon, they promise. I’ll bet Hezbollah is really scared (not). Makes you start to wonder if members of the IDF are saying. ‘oh hell no”.

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 22 2024 16:27 utc | 21

Axios headlines: U.S. fears war in Lebanon but hopes Israeli attacks push Hezbollah to a deal
“U.S. officials say the Biden administration is “extremely concerned” about the risk of an all-out war between Israel and Lebanon, but hopes to use growing Israeli military pressure on Hezbollah to get a diplomatic deal…Despite months of diplomatic efforts by the Biden administration, Hezbollah hasn’t agreed to any deal that would stop the current fighting with Israel before there is a ceasefire in Gaza.”
Again, western reporting actively misleads its readers by failing to reveal the details of the Israel/US “deal” – which is that Hezbollah must relocate to the north side of the Litani River. i.e. Hezbollah must submit to Israel’s terms.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 22 2024 16:30 utc | 22

Almost as bad as my High School German from 50 years ago

Posted by: Exile | Sep 22 2024 16:51 utc | 23

Jewish population in Israel about 6 million
in USA about 6 million
in Russia about 100,000
in Germany about 120,000
in France about 200,000
It’s really only in the US that Zionists have a big influence
There has been sizeable emigration out of Russia/France because of Ukraine/antisemitism.

Posted by: JAB | Sep 22 2024 16:54 utc | 24

With £4,000,000 borrowed from Rothschilds, Disraeli purchased for Victorian Britain what became a majority interest in the Suez Canal
https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/the-suez-canal-purchase-and-the-making-of-modern-britain/#:~:text=The%20Suez%20Canal%20opened%20in,a%20critical%20line%20of%20communication.
Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 14:33 utc | 5
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According to Ilan Pappe, Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic, this prompted Disraeli’s interest in Palestine as a Jewish State—and British Imperial outpost near the canal.
“Palestine had become important in his eyes ever since he led the successful takeover of the Suez Canal Company, which altered Palestine’s strategic value” (p. 12).
Pappe does not mention the Rothschild financing. It seems entirely possible that there was a chicken-egg situ as to which came first, interest in taking over the Suez Canal Company for Britain and creating a British reason of state to both take over financial control of the canal and develop a strategic interest in control of Palestine. As with Suez, the Brits only needed “majority control.”

Posted by: Jane | Sep 22 2024 16:55 utc | 25

Oh, look. Yet another headline that Israel is gonna invade, real soon, they promise. I’ll bet Hezbollah is really scared (not). Makes you start to wonder if members of the IDF are saying. ‘oh hell no”.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 22 2024 16:27 utc | 21
A good chance for Israel to invade was shortly after the pager explosions due to the chaos and confusion among Hezbollah. I really thought Israel will take that chance, they didn‘t which begs the question what was the real purpose of the whole operation. Surely can‘t be just to wound a tiny part of Hezbollah?

Posted by: NoName | Sep 22 2024 16:56 utc | 26

How to stop the Zionist regime in occupied Palestine, from getting weapons to continue their genocide – when weapons executives and board members – head up many institutions.
“A trio of human rights groups this week announced an interactive initiative exposing what the coalition is calling a “Genocide Gentry” of weapons company executives and board members and “54 museums, cultural organizations, universities, and colleges that currently host these individuals on their boards or in other prominent roles.”
“The coalition — which consists of the Adalah Justice Project, LittleSis, and Action Center on Race and the Economy (ACRE) — published a map and database detailing the “educational and cultural ties to board members of six defense corporations” amid Israel’s ongoing annihilation of Gaza, for which the U.S.-backed country is on trial for genocide at the International Court of Justice. ”
“Israel has destroyed every university in Gaza and nearly 200 cultural heritage sites since October 2023, using bombs and weapons manufactured by the companies included in the Genocide Gentry research,”
“Universities across the country including the likes of Columbia University, Harvard University, the University of Southern California, and New York University have remained largely silent on Israel’s genocidal campaign in Gaza,” the groups added.
“Behind closed doors, these same universities are hosting executives and board members of the companies manufacturing the weapons used in these attacks as board members, trustees, and fellows.”
Members of the Genocide Gentry include:
Jeh Johnson, Lockheed Martin board of directors: Johnson, [a former secretary of homeland security] is currently a Columbia University trustee, and sits on the board of directors at MetLife and U.S. Steel. Columbia University notably shut down student protests demanding divestment from weapons companies like Lockheed Martin.
Brian C. Rogers, RTX board of directors: Rogers is currently a trustee of the Harvard Management Company, tasked with managing the $50 billion endowment. Notably Harvard administrators have cracked down on students demanding divestment from weapons companies like RTX, formerly Raytheon.
Catherine B. Reynolds, General Dynamics board of directors: Reynolds is a trustee of the Kennedy Center and sponsors a fellowship at New York University, which has also cracked down on anti-genocide protests and recently enacted a policy equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. ”
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/20/the-genocide-gentry/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 22 2024 17:05 utc | 27

Almost as bad as my High School German from 50 years ago
Posted by: Exile | Sep 22 2024 16:51 utc | 24
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Actually, the German is quite good. C2 level.
Hmmmm . . .

Posted by: Jane | Sep 22 2024 17:06 utc | 28

Re: “A good chance for Israel to invade was shortly after the pager explosions due to the chaos and confusion among Hezbollah“
Posted by: NoName | Sep 22 2024 16:56 utc | 27
I disagree. Most of So Lebanon has been evacuated for months, and those still their are fully aware that Hezbollah has wall-to-wall mines everywhere, as well as “watchers” everywhere to give the call for detonations, and none of those guys have “pagers” out there.
Israel absolutely is aware also of the material losses of tanks they’d suffer initially and ability to rescue & retrieve is nill for ground invasion under any circumstance.
Of course Israel believes themselves to be invincible, and probably figured they’ll lose 20-40 tanks but still be able to push forward… it’s a pipe dream , an no Beirut “confusion” will change front line defense.
Unlike US/NATO/USReal even Russians, where frontline commander can’t wipe their ass w/o high command orders, these units will do what they need to, orders or not, to protect the borders.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 17:30 utc | 29

RE: Posted by: jayc | Sep 22 2024 16:30 utc | 22
Agreed. But same with every proxie of West.
“No, we’d rather not shed other peoples blood for our fascist corptocracy, but if we must, we must. Just capitulate, gives us what we want, this is all ends for all of you.”…
Not a good Western PR look, therefore… “if only Hezbollah would”….” If only Hamas would” … “If only Russia would” “If only Maduro would step down peacefully” …”If only China stopped”…
Frankly, even Western societies are weary of hearing the tropes now…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 17:43 utc | 30

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 17:30 utc | 30
What was then the real purpose in your opinion? Just to commit terror? To show what they are able to pull off?
Hezbollah has maybe around 100‘000 members. In the whole operation less than 50 died. Around 3‘500 got wounded but many of them not seriously (I read somewhere that about 500 were seriously wounded).
I mean internationally there will be some backlash for Israel because of this operation. Was it still worth it?
To your part: „Unlike US/NATO/USReal even Russians, where frontline commander can’t wipe their ass w/o high command orders“
There was some change there. I recently read somewhere (can‘t remember the source) that now Iskander-strikes can even be ordered on (somewhat like) commander level.

Posted by: NoName | Sep 22 2024 17:49 utc | 31

https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1837806792589406652
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
I spoke to various people in south #Lebanon and #Beirut and never heard such a high moral and joy 🤩 after last night. The solidarity is astonishing.
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/31306
Resistance Trench
🇱🇧🚀🏴‍☠️ “Maariv”: An Israeli woman in Kiryat Bialik near Haifa commented on Hezbollah’s rockets:
🔻 “We all assumed there would be a reaction from Hezbollah, but we didn’t think it would be this strong.”
🔻 “There is supposed to be an Iron Dome to protect us, but that was not the case.”
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/31330
Resistance Trench
While Israeli 8200 unit funded “OSINT & intel” accounts on X claims Hezbollah rockets only landed in open areas and jungles, footages released by settlers show the otherwise.
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/9815
Middle East Spectator
— 🇮🇱/🇮🇶 NEW: The Islamic Resistance in Iraq announces that they targeted Israeli settlements near the Sea of Galilee with cruise missiles, and the city of Eilat with explosive drones, and that they will strike the occupation with increasing intensity.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 22 2024 17:51 utc | 32

There has been sizeable emigration out of Russia/France because of Ukraine/antisemitism.
Posted by: JAB | Sep 22 2024 16:54 utc | 25
In spite of all the noise they make, I doubt there’s been much emigration out of France, and certainly not in the direction of Israel. Twenty years ago I used to live opposite a Jewish primary school in Paris. Every afternoon they stopped the traffic in the street for 20 minutes while they loaded up buses with barred windows with the kids. No-one protested. Don’t tell me now French Jews live in fear; if they do, whose fault is it?

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 22 2024 17:52 utc | 33

RE: Posted by: NoName | Sep 22 2024 17:49 utc | 32
Point simply that the field commanders of both Hezbollah & Hamas have had years of being “on their own” so to speak, their judgement is valued, and are able to operate effectively, at minimum, defensively, know their roles, and if all communique were banished, would appropriately manage their tasks as witnessed in Gaza.
I was responding to your comment regarding “opportunity” for Israel invasion. IMO, they’ll never be an “opportunity”.
No matter what, the dang fields they must cross are mined, and Hezbollah and field commanders, aren’t going to sit around while Israel sends de-mining robots out there while bombing & trying to create diversions.
As for other Nations Command structures, they’re very 21st century advanced technologically designed. But hardly anymore efficient. That’s just my opinion.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 18:06 utc | 34

RE: Posted by: NoName | Sep 22 2024 17:49 utc | 32
By the way, Hezbollah has 100k (so you and other say), however, they could whistle, and be 1/2 million strong in 3 days.
The martyred will not be forgotten.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 18:14 utc | 35

Israel must be a lot larger than the maps show, because Hezbollah only seems to hit open fields.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 22 2024 18:15 utc | 36

As far as I know, no independent commentator is suggesting how Israel could succeed with an attack on Hizbullah. Nevertheless Netanyahu is determined. Is he desperate, or does he have something that miraculously makes Hizbullah give up and go home?

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 22 2024 18:16 utc | 37

hezbollah has really kicked the shit out of the northern israel – military targets it would appear
many more details at the link
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2205601
Hezbollah Bombards Haifa with Heavy Missiles: Rafael Complex, Ramat David Base under Fire
Second Statement
The Islamic Resistance targeted, for the second time, Ramat David military base and airport with dozens of missiles, branded Fadi 1 and Fadi 2, in response to the repeated Israeli aggression on the various Lebanese regions which left many civilian martyrs.
Third Statement
In a preliminary response to the brutal massacre committed by the Israeli enemy in the various Lebanese regions on Tuesday and Wednesday (Pagers and Wireless Devices massacre), the Islamic Resistance bombarded the military industries complexes owned by Rafael Firm, which specializes in producing electronic devices and equipment, located in the Zevulun area north of Haifa, with dozens of Fadi 1, Fadi 2, and Katyusha missiles, at 6:30 a.m. Victory comes only from God…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 22 2024 18:22 utc | 38

21 | 1/8thman
I’m with you.. hasbara invasion apparently means evacuating everything north of haifa on day 1 of the “invasion” only on day 2 to realize haifa and regions south of that were hit ramat david in flames and Nazareth burning. I guess on day 3 of pharisees invasion they now evacuate further south to west bank?
Some hasbara is undoubtdly required to explain how giving up roughly 1/3rd of “their” territory is somehow an invasion.
bibifag said he was going to return settlers to north.. now many thousands more are displaced and from a larger area. If this “invasion” keeps going maybe they’ll achieve their one-state solution AND control the phili corridor, cus that’s all that will remain untargeted. Okay bibi you can have phili corridor, you can even use the tunnels but don’t you dare move north of that.

Posted by: NJH | Sep 22 2024 18:22 utc | 39

“… I’ll bet Hezbollah is really scared (not). Makes you start to wonder if members of the IDF are saying. ‘oh hell no”.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 22 2024 16:27 utc | 21
Electronic antifada mentioned that many of the soldiers think this invasion is all talk and it’s not going to happen.
They are disgruntled about this and want to invade. It’s going to happen and I’m sure they’ll have an adjustment in attitude really quick.
Concurrent to all this there have been serious battle(s) and skirmishes going on in the West Bank.
https://youtu.be/jI0NTfxiy5A?si=OnSuIxzIpmeYH6zi

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 22 2024 18:24 utc | 40

the pagers just exploded, all by themselves, right? sounds like a BBC headline to me 🙂
liar liar pants on fire
israelis have become pathological liars, thieves and mass murderers
https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/31372
ResistanceTrench
🇮🇱 President of the Zionist regime: We had no role in the explosion of the pagers
Herzog in an interview with Sky News: I directly deny any involvement in any operation.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 22 2024 18:32 utc | 41

RE: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2024 16:14 utc | 16
“Netanyahu calls for an emergency meeting in an hour, a number of ministers and security officials have been invited to attend“…
Normally I would say: “When isn’t this jackass calling for “security meetings”, 2 IOF soldiers could stub their toes, or a fire break out somewhere, and this jackass drama queen runs for a meeting”…
However, I’m guessing it’s dawning on Nuttyahoo that escalation is not equating to the capitulation he envisioned.
That US/EU are NOT prevailing diplomatically, that the resistance forces across the region, not just Hezbollah, mean what they say.
In truth, a low yield nuke or dirty bomb, if were mono-y-mono with Hezbollah, he’d do in a heartbeat, but looking around, I think he’s called the meeting, frankly, cuz he doesn’t know what the hell else to do atm. Regardless of the downplay of Hezbollah counter attacks, I can see an enraged spoiled public howling about Nuttyahoo, so he’s trying to get ideas on how to “fix it”.
ALL sides have warned about things “not seen”. Guess we all will see soon.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 18:37 utc | 42

All Israel (and the US) has to do is stop the genocide in Gaza. Stop bombing. Leave the Palestinians alone. It’s not an active requirement; no-one is asking them to DO MORE of something, just stop what they are doing right now. Take it easy, give it a rest, have some lemonade while you sit under a tree with the grandkids and think things over a bit. They cannot do it. CANNOT DO IT.
Too bloodthirsty. Too wrapped up in lust for power. Want more land for free than what was given to them 75 years ago. Just too damn craven and crazy demon-infested deranged.
What is this bullshit of hope that Israeli military pressure on Hezbollah will get a diplomatic deal? Diplomacy is the opposite of war, you dumb asses. It’s like hoping your wife will love you more if you beat her harder.
I agree with Michael Hudson; the US is not supporting Israel, it is supporting Netanhayu personally. And he is filth. Too bad for the world that the latter’s pace-maker wasn’t booby-trapped. We’d all be better off.

Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 18:47 utc | 43

Likud approach has been for a long time:
its better to be feared than loved
Guess the Likud never worked out what happens when one is no longer feared.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 22 2024 18:50 utc | 44

I find wording interesting in this article from Al Manar:
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2205744
“Sheikh Qassem: Hezbollah Has Started Open-Ended Battle of Reckoning with ‘Israel’”
Some excerpts:
Resistance would continue the border battle of supporting Gaza and will fight from where the Israeli could not imagine.
We have started the stage of the open-ended battle of reckoning with the Israeli enemy, and bombing Haifa was just the beginning, Sheikh Qassem added.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 18:51 utc | 45

@canuck | Sep 22 2024 15:43 utc | 11
Previous action from another Churchill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Henry_Churchill
On 14 June 1841, [Charles Henry]Churchill wrote to Montefiore:[5]
” I cannot conceal from you my most anxious desire to see your countrymen endeavour once more to resume their existence as a people….”
Note that C H Churchill has to encourage Monefiori.
It isnt the other way round.
The Israel project was part of an entirely British Grand strategic agenda and nothing the British wanted for pleasing the Jews.
I 1896, that you mention the Rothschilds had probably been threatened against collaboration with Britains Rivals.
I dont think the Jack Ripper affaire in 1888 is better explained in any other way than as such a threat.
Hannah Rothschilds premature death in 1890 and the Dreyfuss affaire in 1894 made it plausible that the Rothschilds would have a strengthened motivation for joining what originally was a british project.
1896 was also a time when the Rothschilds found it better for them to be supportive of Cecil Rhodes project also.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 22 2024 18:55 utc | 46

I agree with Michael Hudson; the US is not supporting Israel, it is supporting Netanhayu personally. And he is filth. Too bad for the world that the latter’s pace-maker wasn’t booby-trapped. We’d all be better off.
Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 18:47 utc | 44
I disagree. The US will support anybody that keeps the conflict stewing. Ideally on a small flame and forever. Like Ukraine. The purpose is not winning, but divide (and rule).

Posted by: umuntu | Sep 22 2024 18:56 utc | 47

All Israel (and the US) has to do is stop the genocide in Gaza. Stop bombing. Leave the Palestinians alone. It’s not an active requirement; no-one is asking them to DO MORE of something, just stop what they are doing right now. Take it easy, give it a rest, have some lemonade while you sit under a tree with the grandkids and think things over a bit. They cannot do it. CANNOT DO IT.
Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 18:47 utc | 44
Not entirely correct. To relax and live in peace, they’d also have to give up on genociding the Ukrainians, creating pandemics, the vaccine genocide, the organ trafficking, child trafficking, drug trafficking, terrorism, biological warfare, digital espionage, satanist media and cultural destruction, color revolutions, destruction of ecosystems, geoengineering, blackmailing, mass torture and economic genocide. They cannnot do that, satan is in their blood somehow.

Posted by: Michael A | Sep 22 2024 18:59 utc | 48

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is reportedly weighing a plan to ethnically cleanse Palestinian civilians from northern Gaza, including Gaza City, according to a former Israeli military official cited by CNN.
Netanyahu is considering this as part of efforts to allegedly encircle Hamas and pressure the group to release captives, which would see the population of northern Gaza, already besieged by Israel, being further starved.
The plan would turn the northern Gaza Strip into a closed military zone, meaning any person refusing to immediately leave their home would be killed by Israel. The proposal was made by a group of retired Israeli generals.
According to CNN, it has also been presented to the Israeli cabinet and a key parliamentary committee.
However, it remains unclear how many Palestinians still reside in northern Gaza or whether, when, and how civilians would be permitted to return.
“Those who leave will receive food and water,” Giora Eiland, a retired Israeli military general spearheading the proposal, alluded to the plan, which would see people being starved.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/israeli-considering-plan-ethnically-cleanse-northern-gaza-report?nid=394896&topic=Israel%2527s%2520war%2520on%2520Gaza&fid=531371

Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 19:08 utc | 49

https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Gazaplatform?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Sources in the Islamic Resistance in Iraq: We attacked the occupied Palestinian Jordan Valley a short while ago with a squadron of drones.
Gaza News Platform
🔹 The Iraqi attack on “Israel” is unprecedented since the last attack by Saddam Hussein in 1991.
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq: We attacked a target in the Jordan Valley in the occupied territories with “Al-Arfed” marches, and our operations are escalating.
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq: Our attack against the Israeli occupation a short while ago is the fifth today, and our operations are continuing in support of our people in Palestine, and in response to the massacres against civilians, including children, women, and the elderly.
For the first time since the beginning of the war on the Gaza Strip, the Islamic Resistance in Iraq announces its responsibility for 5 operations deep inside Israel.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 22 2024 19:10 utc | 50

Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 17:30 utc | 30
Some of the bombing being done is to clear paths through the mines. I would guess Hezbollah has the ability to remote mine, so if they don’t use it quick it’ll not be clear anymore. Read just a little bit ago some Israeli troops poked out towards border and a direct fire ATGM hit em, a recon in farce. Nothing more about any attempted advances.
Middle_East_Spectator had a day or so ago a video of them detonating their own mines in the Golan from a month or so ago speculating they might have been prepping it to try and go that way to avoid Hezbollah defenses. I’d think that would leave them pretty exposed to Syria and a multitude of different groups that would love to take shots at them.
The bypass Hezbollah plan has a problem somewhat related to 36, multiple Lebanese government officials have said that if Israel invades the Lebanese army would respond. That is +80k and around half again of reserves, of a state sponsored army. They have experience working along side Hezbollah and the SAAF, in fighting Israeli/western sponsored terrorists even, during the Syrian civil war.
I’d expect the UN “peacekeeping” force will just do like usual and back slowly out of the way.
They do keep posturing like they are going to try a ground invasion. If so I think it will take the award for worst military campaign in decades from the Ukrainians and their Kursk adventure.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 22 2024 19:13 utc | 51

satan is in their blood somehow

We know exactly how. It is explicitly stated in the very scripture they profess to believe

Posted by: RP | Sep 22 2024 19:14 utc | 52

Re: victory ?
I’m struggling to understand how the Likud imagines victory to look like. It’s clear that the Likud wants massive ethnic cleansing in both Gaza and West Bank, but do they really believe that Israel will be considered a normal member of the international community thereafter ?
Does the Likud not see and hear the sea change in 1) ordinary people’s perception of the Jewish State ? And 2) the international community formally moving to define Israel as a pariah state ?
Is the Likud really that blind or just desperate ?

Posted by: Exile | Sep 22 2024 19:27 utc | 53

RE: Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 22 2024 19:13 utc | 52
I agree.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2024 19:34 utc | 54

“Those who leave will receive food and water,” Giora Eiland, a retired Israeli military general spearheading the proposal, alluded to the plan, which would see people being starved.
Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 19:08 utc | 50″
Sure they will. Luke the other times they’ve ordered them to “safe places” & then bombed them there.
And used US air-dropped food & supplies as bait.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 22 2024 19:34 utc | 55

reply to 37
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7WbniHYlvhQ
Does this look like an open field?

Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 22 2024 19:35 utc | 56

The child-murderers, as the western people, need inmediate gratification, they are entitle to receive whatever they want just in time, so their politicians and military have the same mindset, they are not patients, do not think in the longterm, no plan to the next generations, they are crazy to have just now what they “deserve”, and this is the way the settlers are behaving in the war in Gaza and in Lebanon.
Hezb and Iran are another kind of people, they do not act based only on “rage” or “entitlement” like the western people, they know they do not have the firepower and the financial means of the Global Empire, so they need to measure their steps to allow the child-murderers to enter more or less voluntarily in their traps to level the playfield.
They also should send some bombs (it is not requiered many) to the huge Intel factory, just to send some hundreds hi-tech engineers out and destroy the settlers’ economy in the longterm. The settlers land seems not to be a good place to have a nice and safe hi-tech carreer for you and your family….
Israel is very dependent of the hi-tech sector to export, they are not like Lebanon, or Yemen or Irak or even Iran, they are in a much more vulnerable situation than that “backward” countries that sorrounded them
This is not 1982 or 2006, Israel is in a much much precarious situation than then, even if their weapons are more powerful tha before, that does not means anything at the end.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 22 2024 19:44 utc | 57

I still quite understand how Mossad was able to dedicate a year before Oct 7 to infiltrating Hezbollah’s homes with micro explosives and cause thousands of casualties and dozens if not hundreds of deaths, but they weren’t able to do the same to Hamas, which is even smaller and more under the thumb of Israel, which has the place not only thoroughly surrounded, but actually designed Gaza city to Mossad’s specifications. Also if you can pull of such reprisals against Hezbollah in a way that sort of in itself anticipates Oct 7 happening, why can’t you use such a deep penetrative ability to prevent Oct 7 from happening or interrupt it as it’s happening by blowing up Hamas’ comms on the day, hour, and minute they decide to break out?

Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 22 2024 19:50 utc | 58

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq seems to be taking their turn, sending in drone swarms. Hit a base in the Jordan Valley near Beisan. Also explosions at the US base near Al-Shaddadi, and Al-Jabsa Fields with injuries, reports of US jets in Jordan on the move.
Things seem to be heating up in the West Bank, Nablus area fighting off attacks against the Balata camp. Hebron area Al-Aqsa Martyrs attacking settlement town, and some attacks on checkpoints.
Al-Nuseirat camp under artillery/gunboat shelling in Gaza.
Summary from a number of channels.
Just repeating the set of local Palestine links….
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot (thanks for the links)
A few I’ve added to the list:
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Gazaplatform?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/palestineaqsa12?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
(not local)
https://t.me/s/Middle_East_Spectator/

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 22 2024 20:06 utc | 59

https://x.com/DrHananAshrawi/status/1837679682331811869
Hanan Ashrawi @DrHananAshrawi
Dozens of Israeli soldiers violently broke into Al Jazeera offices in Ramallah, kicked out the journalists & staff, & gave them a closure order citing “Emergency Orders” of 1945 i.e. before the state of Israel was created. The “only democracy in the region” still applies British colonial military orders when Palestine was under the British mandate to continue the oppression of the Palestinian people. Here we are witnessing press freedom & freedom of speech in action!
The Israeli occupation does not want the truth to come out. Evil is best practiced in the dark.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 22 2024 20:24 utc | 60

New drone used in the attacks from Iraq, they call it Al-Arqad, Iron Dome seems to be ineffective or minimally effective against them.
These appear to be failed intercepts after repeated engagements on the same target.
https://t-me.translate.goog/youseffares19/50295?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/youseffares19/50297?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/youseffares19/50298?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Planes were launched and reported flying over the west bank in that direction to try and intercept.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 22 2024 20:29 utc | 61

michaelj72 | Sep 22 2024 20:24 utc | 61
Yea I saw a video of them seen through the window vandalizing things also.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 22 2024 20:30 utc | 62

Posted by: b | Sep 22 2024 16:42 utc | 23 – FAKE b, sockpuppet.
The real story here is the failure of the Iron Dome complex.
Iraqi resistance forces are launching drones.
Yemenis have issued new threats.
Iran has disrupted terrorist cells.
Maybe of interest to some.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/09/22/733773/explainer-hezbollah-struck-ramat-david-airbase-rafael-arms-factory-haifa

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 22 2024 20:40 utc | 63

The big boss of Gold Apollo, Mr. Hsu said BAC’s parent company is called FG Group (video at 17:16 ). The reporter said that he only gave information like “squeezing toothpaste”.
Taiwan’s Ministry of Economic Affairs data show that Gold Apollo export 254 sets of pagers to Hungary in 2022. (18:25) Further investigation needed.
The two TW talk-show guests pointed out the exploded pagers have “Made in Taiwan” on them. This is illegal because Gold Apollo only has the right to license its trademark. TW authorities need to take action to clear TW’s name, however, they are blaming mainland China for “narrative warfare”.
The host also said neither US nor Taiwan authorities will do real investigation about it due to their close ties with Israel.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 22 2024 20:53 utc | 64

Occupied Palestine is very vulnerable and depend a lot from the high tech sector:
“In 2023, high-tech industries accounted for 20 percent of Israel’s GDP. The volume of GDP in the high-tech sector in 2022 amounted to NIS 290 billion — or around $76 billion. In 2023, the high-tech industry accounted for 53 percent of total exports from Israel”
https://thecradle.co/articles/no-one-is-safe-the-global-threat-of-israels-weaponized-pagers
So with the pagers’ attack any government, any company, any consumer that buy Israeli product could be subject to the same “treatment” as Lebanon, ask yourself if you want to have a “sword of Damocles” above your head waiting for a mad dog in Tel Aviv to give an order and explode something beside your head or your family.
In any case Hezb could give a blow to the high-tech sector, those factories are very very expensive and the manpower is very hard to find, so the investors, even if they are jews, do not wat lose money forever, that´s how capitalism works. So it is time do divest from Occupied Palestine, this entity has too many enemies close and is full of politicians and people too crazy to maintain a stable and safe country.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 22 2024 20:53 utc | 65

The big difference for Israel between the US and China is that China has nearly no Jewish population at all and thus there can be no direct Zionist influence on or participation in the Chinese government from within. This is a huge, huge difference.
Posted by: Cabe | Sep 22 2024 16:26 utc | 20
Not to mention China doesn’t have a religion based on the Old Testament, as is the case in the USA.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Sep 22 2024 20:55 utc | 66

Ludovic 59
MIHOP, but who exactly was doing the MIHOPing, Qatar?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 22 2024 21:03 utc | 67

What Netanyahu is proposing in N. Gaza is textbook ethnic cleansing. And the world is going to let it unfold without lifting a finger.
Including, of course, laughing gas Harris who cannot form a coherent thought.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 22 2024 21:06 utc | 68

Dave 66
Israel’s only enemy is the Ukrainian Revisionist Zionist Nazis in power.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 22 2024 21:07 utc | 69

Gold Apollo’s president said the big boss of BAC is a man called Tom probably living in Austria, contrary to what Westen MSM reported (a woman called Cristiana Barsony-Arcidiacono living in Hungary).
Now he also told TW media that BAC’s parent company is called FG Group.
It’s rather strange that Western MSM (BBC/NYT/CNN), which all have journos in TW, show no interest to investigate these glaring discrepancies coming directly from the mouth of Gold Apollo’s president, rather focus on their investigation in Hungary and Bulgaria.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 22 2024 21:10 utc | 70

Hey Y’all.
I don’t know the first about the TRUE military capabilities of the combatants in this fight. So I can only tell you what I think based on what I see. Israelis are genocidal maniacs, Israelis own US government thru AIPAC donations, and US has a significant number of deluded “Christian Zionists” who applaud the mayhem.
That being said, if the Kackler wins POTUS, anytime after 6th November will suit Israeli’s adversaries. If Trump wins, the shit hits the fan on Inauguration Day.

Posted by: OldFart | Sep 22 2024 21:26 utc | 71

Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 19:08 utc | 50
(I will quell the inner demon that rants against numerous “alternative media – ex-military” who opine, ostensibly on the side of Just Ice, regarding Israel. Most are compromised and/or fit Twain’s dictum: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. .” )
BUT — one such ex-uniform-wearer just went hysterical with the “news” that Israel is bombing the hell out of Lebanon & plans to occupy vast amount of territory “to the Litani.”
Well duh.
April 14, 2024, Tablet magazine: spells out the *thinking*, the plan, and darned if it doesn’t fit some of what we have seen taking place the last few days:
Amiad Cohen, Apr 14 2024 The Last Lebanon War
[emphasis: The Litani must serve as Israel’s new border in the north. Hezbollah will only be deterred when it has suffered the loss of territory with little hope of reclaiming it. ]
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/last-lebanon-war
Amiad Cohen on Caroline Glick’s JNS program: June 20, 2024
Israel’s Endgame with Hezbollah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baWsilpb_Ko
Judith Miller, July 2024, The Lebanon War Is Coming
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/lebanon-war-coming-hezbollah-israel
David Wurmser on Caroline Glick’s JNS program Aug 7 2024 (The Coming Kamala Calamity)
“They can’t be defeated by killing them, you have to take land and humiliate them . . .”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jp7MORoeoU
Alastair Crooke’s comments involving Ron Dermer, on Judging Freedom, March 2024,
should be a staple, the basis of understanding of the zionist mindset–>actions (and the years of planning, not only but including putting Biden in place, The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election, https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uy6KVHRB30

“there was a a talk given by Ron Dermer who is . . . very close to netanyahu and he said,
“Listen you know what we really want —- we’re not looking for just demilitarization in Gaza we want Deradicalization.. Deradicalization means psychic transformation .”
He goes on to say, “Well you know after World War II in Germany and particularly in Japan — look they
are still pro- American, they’re still in the right camp, this is the message for Israel: that we have to do this massive process of transformation .”

Anyone who has studied the “deNazification” of Germany may understand the intensity and longevity of the “psychic deradicalization” under which German people function.
Crooke:

“This is exactly what I was told when I complained about the War in 2003 in IRAQ and a senior figure came to me and said, “Listen Alastair, the point is that the destruction of Iraq the annihilation of Saddam Hussein who was an icon for the Palestinians would send a strong message for the Palestinian
leadership in Ramallah. It would be a bitter bitter message and they would be thoroughly demoralized.”

In other words peace for Israel could come through the destruction of Iraq of Baghdad and you know Ron Dermer was saying the same thing two or three days ago.”

— and Amiad Cohen, Judith Miller, Caroline Glick, David Wurmser echoed Dermer’s sentiments.

Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 21:31 utc | 72

Nonsense, Kamala is an avowed zionist through and through.

Posted by: RP | Sep 22 2024 21:31 utc | 73

pagers….project fear ..disruption …confirm identification of Hezbollah and anyone affiliated ….its acceptable collateral damage to a state determined to mow lawns and everyone is a potential terrorist fighter in their eyes….more accumalating disruption creates oportunities for infiltration proven to further identify survivors and replacements by their use of other comms methods now also identifiable …in the chaos infiltrate more and these operatives can seize opportunities to create terror to escalate project fear, suspicion,….identifying further targets that can be used to justify further escalations being “justified” as a perverted R2P ..when you bounce the middle of a spider web the spider hiding in the edges rushes out but now you see it to target it….you observe the vibrations down all the supporting strands and what they are hitched to..and feed this Ai Lavender regenerative Ai they have…and if enough are broken the spider web implodes on itself in its own stickiness. And as this methodology works it can be reviewed reappraised modified etc ready for the next created opportunity.Kolb Learning Cycle…..experiential learning …but be self aware of the self sabotaging 52cognitive bias or..,.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 22 2024 21:33 utc | 74

Netanyahu is considering this as part of efforts to allegedly encircle Hamas and pressure the group to release captives, which would see the population of northern Gaza, already besieged by Israel, being further starved.
The plan would turn the northern Gaza Strip into a closed military zone, meaning any person refusing to immediately leave their home would be killed by Israel. The proposal was made by a group of retired Israeli generals.
Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 19:08 utc | 50
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It all seems like a waste of time considering that the UNGA just adopt a resolution that demands that Israel “brings to an end without delay its unlawful presence” in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. Israel was given a deadline of one year starting last Wednesday to remove the Zionist settlers in the West Bank and get the hell out. This is the position of the majority of the nations on planet earth, i.e. international law, so really, what’s the point? The people of the planet have spoken!
Well, unless Israel is going internationally rogue (which it has been doing for a long time) and the U.S. is going join them as international outcast and lawless criminals. If so, you would think that the U.S. people might at least be allowed to vote in a referendum about such a decision, after all, it affects all doesn’t it?
Maybe not, I guess the advantage of being a rogue Hegemon outlaw nation is that the ruling class can rip off the phony mask of democracy and show the world what they really are: a f**king class dictatorship of the of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy: Amen!

Posted by: Ed | Sep 22 2024 21:48 utc | 75

According to this TW talk show guest, Taiwan has a long history of close cooperation with USA/Israel, from KMT’s Chiang Kaishek to today’s DPP government. (5:22)
Current DPP’s vice president Hsiao Bi-khim (蕭美琴), who was actually an American (with a Chinese mother) born in Japan, said Taiwan needed to cooperate with Israel in military, intelligence and foreign relationship.
The guest also mentioned Gold Apollo is a highly political sensitive company. It refuses (or is not allowed) to set up production site on mainland China due to its cooperation with FBI and other Western intelligence/military. So it is rather weird that the president of this company would have just licensed its trademark to a letterbox company without any due diligence.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 22 2024 22:18 utc | 76

‘It’s really only in the US the Zionists have a big influence’ (JAB @ 25)
The Most Zionist Community in the World
https://www.jewishtoronto.com/news-media-toronto-the-most-zionist-community-in-the-world
“This is a well established community with great influence in Canada in all areas – political, economic, media, academic and more.”
& as does Warshington so does good doggie Ottawa.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 22 2024 22:19 utc | 77

Corrected url from above:
https://www.jewishtoronto.com/news-media/toronto-the-most-zionist-community-in-the-world

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 22 2024 22:23 utc | 78

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 22 2024 16:26 utc | 20
and
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Sep 22 2024 20:55 utc | 67
AGREE with your statements — especially — and hope the Chinese hold true.
My comment is based on a project the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute launched in 2002 under chairmanship of Dennis Ross who was simultaneously Director of Policy Planning in US State Department.
The first project JPPPI undertook produced Shlomo Wald’s White Paper —> book, China and the Jewish People
https://jppi.org.il/uploads/China%20and%20the%20Jewish%20People.pdf

Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 22 2024 22:28 utc | 79

One would need to know who financed Russia’s SMO before deciding that the US is a rogue Hegemon. If Jews financed Russia in order to defeat US -backed Ukrainian Revisionist Zionist Nazi Neocons, then Judaism may survive and the Nazi Neocons may be defeated.
Hegemony is a Nazi concept.
Genocide is a Nazi concept.
Plutocracy is a Nazi concept.
We’re talking about a tiny group of people literally grabbing the steering wheel and crashing the entire West.
At some point you would expect the people in the US bus to remove the Khazar Neocon hijackers. Or is that only in Hollywood?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 22 2024 22:31 utc | 80

Engler: Zionists Travel Further On Path to Fascist Far Right
https://x.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1837473402199630193
“Israel supporters have become a leading fascist force in Canada.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 22 2024 22:48 utc | 81

@ Ed @ # 76
Ed, I know, but the UNGA gave Israel a whole YEAR to comply with the order, and has no enforcement mechanism if Israel just disobeys.
In a year there will be no Palestinians left alive in either Gaza or the West Bank. Israel is bombing Gaza harder in the past few days since the UNGA passed the resolution than it was before, and the settlers in the West Bank have been openly backed by the IDF in thier pursuit of land there. Israel doesn’t care what the UNGA said. To stop this in time to save some of the Palestinians, the US and EU would have to immediately sanction Israel harshly, and end all shipments of arms and financial aid. Starvation is well advanced in the northern Gaza Strip and is spreading in the south. You don’t stop that by saying “let’s bring food in”; starvation does such damage to the human body that at a certain point there is no bringing health back at all. The person’s organs shut down, they cannot process food at all any longer, and they die. (Slowly, but they die.)
The only hope, really, is that enough countries take serious action against Israel that it outweighs the US support. But they all seem to still be afraid of the US. Although most of the world does seem to understand that the US and Israel and various European countries are not democracies at this point.
– Teri
Oh, PS: Just read another article about the Israeli plans to make northern Gaza Strip a military zone by starving any Palestinian there who refuses to leave (my comment at #50). No doubt they would actually shoot them as they walked south, but they won’t say that out loud. This second article goes into more detail and explains that in fact there a members of the Knesset who want to do this to the entire Strip. They are openly saying that the Palestinians need to leave or starve to death. UNGA be damned. I find this whole thing so awful, so dreadful, that sometimes I just weep while I read the latest news. But still, I feel I owe it to the people of Palestine to pay attention. It is my country doing the most to support Israel in thier latest Satanic death ritual.
One woman member of the Knesset named Meirav Cohena – a member from the centrist Yesh Atid party – “lambasted the government for allowing aid trucks into Gaza.
“ ‘The only threat that they are facing is obesity,’ she said during a meeting with the pressure group, including Giora Eiland.
” ‘Is this how we will bring our hostages back home? So I think that the plan that Giora and other commanders presented here is very smart. It sets clear rules. We have to implement it.’ ”
These are the people the Palestinians are dealing with.
This article is longer than the first one I read, and has more detail about the Plan for the Palestinians.
https://news.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-considering-plan-force-palestinian-164804196.html

Posted by: teri | Sep 22 2024 22:49 utc | 82

When Winston became Minister for the Colonies in 1921 or 22 Rothschild got his payment-Churchill allowed many, many more Jews into Palestine than was agreed.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 22 2024 15:43 utc | 11
Fwiw, thanks for the historical minutia. I appreciate its deepening of what i know about our shared history. Thanks.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 22 2024 22:51 utc | 83

“@all (and esp Arch Bungle)
STOP feeding the trolls!!!”
Posted by: b | Sep 22 2024 15:56 utc | 14
10 4

Posted by: Tannemhouser | Sep 22 2024 22:58 utc | 84

I still quite understand how Mossad was able to dedicate a year before Oct 7 to infiltrating Hezbollah’s homes with micro explosives and cause thousands of casualties and dozens if not hundreds of deaths, but they weren’t able to do the same to Hamas, which is even smaller and more under the thumb of Israel,
Posted by: Ludovic | Sep 22 2024 19:50 utc | 59
It is very, very simple:
– Lebanon still has complete supply chains to the outside world. They are open to infiltration.
– electronics come in through the global supply chain which looks transparent but is essentially an anonymous network of proxies.
– products come in wholesale, in bulk.
Vs.:
– everything electronic going into Gaza comes through piecemeal through a network of smugglers who are essentially part of a trust network, in small quantities, slowly.
– It’s very difficult to infiltrate a smuggler network compared to a legitimate supply chain operated in part by State actors. Harder to find an entry point into such networks.
– Gaza’s wireless comms network is tiny, operated by people who know their network is untrustworthy. This leads to the use of alternative communication methods (cables, runners, lorawan, etc.)
– The sanctions on Gaza are so restrictive that much of the electronics comes in as disassembled components, reassembled in Gaza… This adds a filtration mechanism, especially for Hamas.
Basically, Hamas was saved by their lack of access to modern supply chains.
In their zealotry, the Israeli policy makers controlling Gaza cut off their own options to feed trojaned technology into Gaza.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 22 2024 23:27 utc | 85

teri 83
” One woman member of the Knesset named Meirav Cohena – a member from the centrist Yesh Atid party – “lambasted the government for allowing aid trucks into Gaza.”
Is it conceivable that senior politicians are kept completely in the dark about the genocide? No.
This lady is a Sephardic Jew from Morocco. So Israel presents her with a unique opportunity to crush a minority Muslim population. Nothing to do with Holocaust, Nazism, ghettos, anti-semitism, persecution.
Just pure hate.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2024 0:02 utc | 86

Nor will China, after its experience with colonialism, allow any foreign aliens to weasel their way into its ruling elite.
Of course, that does not mean that Israel can have no influence at all on China, because there are always external relations, including possibilities of trade and investment. But to bend China to act against its own interests the way the US has been bent, that isn’t going to happen.
Posted by: Cabe | Sep 22 2024 16:26 utc | 20
So true. To put a finer point on it, China will not admit anyone with alien allegiances into its political or economic elite. In other words, it is a stable nation state. People from all over can visit or work there within limits, but they can never assume positions of real power over China. This was true of the US too at its apex.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 23 2024 0:08 utc | 87

Taiwan at one point in recent time was in the market for a Israeli made AWACS platform, based on a C130 H aircraft……for some odd reason that deal did not get to fruition…………..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 23 2024 0:15 utc | 88

This weekend definitely defines a major uptick in rocket attack activity from both sides, but Hezollah has not yet unleashed its most sophisticated ordinance on Israel, although ordinance today did reach into Haifa (exact targets in that region are not really clear at this point).
It appears to this observer that Hezbollah is deliberately depleting the Iron Dome AAD inventory of missiles prior to unleashing a co-ordinated attack on key Israel military and industrial targets with the Iraq and Syrian and Iranian forces.
This next week will most likely signal a major escalation in the level of combat………..this is all carefully planned….as the Iranians and Hezbollah has stated, their offensive will come on their time table………the sands are running out…….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 23 2024 0:23 utc | 89

More than likely the final signal of the combined Hezbollah, Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian attack on Israel will come when IDF fighter bombers fall from the sky……….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 23 2024 0:26 utc | 90

Ahenovarbus 88
What about Wolfowitz of the World Bank?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2024 0:37 utc | 91

Can you hear that?
The ongoing ground invasion or massive air operations against Lebanon afer the hits on Rafael and Ramat?
No? Me too.
Is the Diaper Immoral Occupational Force having a “moment”?

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 23 2024 1:07 utc | 92

The recent U.N resolution, which on it’s face, seems to condemn the Israeli occupation of Gaza, turns out to be more than worthless.
Not only does it not achieve anything new, it offers no enforcement, having no more force than any other resolution condemning Israel before.
Worse still, the resolution achieves the opposite of what it appears to want to achieve. It’s message is essentially:
“Here, Israel, you have one full year to complete your genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza. If you are efficient you can complete the genocide in the West Bank too and perhaps Lebanon to boot! We will wait until you’re done and then decide what further meetings to hold …”
That is the ground reality of the U.N: A gaggle of fools and criminals
The only single member who seems to have seen right through this criminality is the U.N Ambassador who called Israel out as the murderous clown it is.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2024 1:12 utc | 93

The only single member who seems to have seen right through this criminality is the U.N Ambassador who called Israel out as the murderous clown it is.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2024 1:12 utc | 94
Edit:
“… is the Libyan U.N Ambassador who called Israel out as the murderous clown it is.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2024 1:13 utc | 94

https://x.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1837424754011042229
PALESTINE ONLINE 🇵🇸 @OnlinePalEng
Spanish actor and Oscar winner, Javier Bardem, speaks out for Gaza at the San Sebastián Film Festival, calling out the Israeli occupation for committing war crimes
❝What’s happening in Gaza is totally unacceptable, terrible and dehumanizing❞
❝I believe that this Israeli government is the most radical government that Israel has ever had❞
❝We must demand that those responsible, in this case Netanyahu, be judged and punished❞
Spanish actor Javier Bardem criticizes Israel for ‘war crimes against humanity’

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 23 2024 1:22 utc | 95

I am still shocked by Meirav Cohen’s comment that Gazans will become obese if food aid is sent them.
I suppose this is what passes for wit. You say something so shockingly untrue that your critics are lost for words.
Today I have been accused twice , once by a Pakistani of hypocrisy in criticising British Foreign Policy when I pay taxes to the government. Hypocrisy is unforgiveable in Islam, so this was a kick in the balls.
Next time of racism , for criticising Pakistanis for supporting British Foreign Policy. I have lived with Pakistanis for 25 years for the same of Allah, to live near a Mosque.
They seem to think that me living near them places me under their sole control, to spy on, backbite against and annoy as they like.
Israel has these two same qualities in their dealings with Palestinians.
Firstly they accuse Palestinians of hypocrisy, using civilians as human shields, then they think they, the latecomers, can do whatever they like to the original residents.
The Pakistais who come to Britain are an arrogant, hedonistic people whose scholars have often publicly sworn one day to destroy the British.
Their ambition for genocide is in plain sight.
The reality of the British Raj is that Indians allowed themselves to be made into new elite of administrators.
The equivalent in Palestine is the PLO, and the double oppression by the Zionists AND the PLO and Hamas , has culminated in the Israeli genocide.
The Pakistanis are now working for the British government to suppress the long tradition of the British people to criticise their government.
To be called a hypocrite by a Pakistani is about the same level as
Meirav Cohen saying the Palestinians wil become obese if given food aid.
I see this as trying to elbow the original inhabitants out. First by tongue. Later by force.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2024 1:26 utc | 96

I am still shocked by Meirav Cohen’s comment that Gazans will become obese if food aid is sent them.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2024 1:26 utc | 97
I am quite sure there were NAZI officials making the same kind of jocular comments about Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz and other death camps.
Judging by the state of holocaust victims in old pictures they seem to have been under the same “dietary regime” as Gazans.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 23 2024 1:32 utc | 97

https://x.com/caitoz/status/1838022767079506297
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
Everyone who publicly criticizes Israel gets accused of working for Hamas and Hezbollah, and now Israel apologists are showing up in our notifications making “jokes” about murdering us with weaponized explosive devices. They’re deliberately trying to sow fear among western critics of Israel.
This is who these people are. This is the quality of person who supports Israel. They’d happily murder us all with the push of a button, just because we criticized their favorite apartheid state.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 23 2024 1:57 utc | 98

Arch Bungle 98
Yes, that was exactly what was going through my mind. That this genocide is going to lead to some kind of cathartic understanding of the double betrayal of the holocaust.
First the European antisemitism
Then Nazism
Then betrayal by the Zionists
Then , when everybody knew what wad happening how nobody changed anything.
Once your tribe has collectively
experienced a trauma, your tribe has learnt how to inflict it on others.
The Pakistanis have learnt their arrogance from us.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2024 2:25 utc | 99

fighting ghosts
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1837978838753746962
Middle East Observer @ME_Observer_
⚡️⭕️ For those who haven’t been following… just putting things into perspective:
In October 2023, when Hezbollah started it’s operations, before it destroys the border ISR, sometimes Hezbollah used to lose 10 fighters in a single day.
Yesterday, Israel launched over 100 airstrikes in 2 hours, 0 deaths. They adapted over the year.
Hezbollah’s main expertise is camouflage and the exploitation of the terrain. In the 2006 war, Israeli soldiers in interviews used to say: “we were fighting ghosts”.
Today not only the fighters are ghosts, but their weapons are ghosts too.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 23 2024 2:33 utc | 100