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September 19, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-224

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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The viewers (with link in post99) also mentioned that the exploded Japanese walkie talkie were made in Taiwan.
Btw, a lot people may not know that Taiwan (ROC) has always been a lap dog of USA for a very looong time, from KMT Chiang Kai-shek to current DPP Tsai Ing-wen and Lai Ching-te. To achieved their personal/political goals, they’d do everything and anything for USA (and its master we know who), even if it means wars and destruction to itself. ( How the Taiwan lobby helped pave the way for Pelosi’s trip )

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 20:04 utc | 101

Reports of S. Lebanon getting hammered from the air. Any confirmation? Claims of knocking out hundreds of rocket launchers/sites. True, or just hitting empty mountainsides? Also, IF Hezbollah has AA defenses, why just let israeli jets fly all over the country as they please? I understand the long game strategy, but the continual non-response I find interesting.

Posted by: RP | Sep 19 2024 20:06 utc | 102

— ❗️🇮🇱/ 🇱🇧 NEW: All electricity and communications in the Israeli settlement of Metula is down, including landlines, after 250kg Hezbollah missiles landed – Metula Mayor
@Middle_East_Spectator

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/9686

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2024 20:06 utc | 103

Israel is bombing southern Lebanon right now. They hit a residential area, causing a huge explosion, and immediately released a statement saying “Hezbollah has turned south Lebanon into a war zone” and has concealed weapons in civilian homes.
 – this is per RT live-feed.
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Israel said it hit at least 30 Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon, including a weapons storage facility, adding it will continue to “operate against the threat of the Hezbollah.”
“The IDF is currently striking Hezbollah targets in Lebanon to degrade Hezbollah’s terrorist capabilities and infrastructure,” the Israeli army said Thursday afternoon. “The Hezbollah terrorist organization has turned southern Lebanon into a combat zone. For decades, Hezbollah has weaponized civilian homes, dug tunnels beneath them, and used civilians as human shields.”[…]
https://news.yahoo.com/threat-israel-hezbollah-war-looms-092033599.html
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Israel has blocked the entry of 83 per cent of food aid to the Gaza Strip, nearly a year after the beginning of the genocidal war against the Palestinians in the besieged Strip, according to a press release issued by 16 UN humanitarian relief organisations, the Palestinian Information Centre reported.
The statement indicated that the percentage of blocked aid has increased from that of 34 per cent in 2023, which means that the people in Gaza have gone from having an average of two meals a day to just one meal every other day. […]
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240919-israel-blocks-entry-of-83-of-gaza-food-aid-un/
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IDF is sieging a municipal building in Qabatiya in the West Bank, where 32 people have been trapped inside for over 8 hours.
A number of middle-school students are among the 32, as they ran there when the IDF stormed the town and started shooting at two schools. They are stuck there while gunfire still sounds outside the building. – middlleasteye live-feed.
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Heavy bombing continues in al Maws, Rafah and central Gaza.

Posted by: teri | Sep 19 2024 20:07 utc | 104

A couple of idiots on this thread already.
Hezbollah’s AA strength is of great concern to to IOF. The fear is real hence no “bombing Beirut to the stone age” boost made by the Zionists thus far.
Scorecard showed US “winning” in Vietnam.
Scorecard showed US “winning” in Iraq.
Scorecard showed US “winning” in Afghanistan.
The ongoing massacres in Palestine is not an Arab or Iranian failure to stop, its humanity’s failure.
What’s happening in Gaza and Ukraine is also what could happen to Lebanon and Iran if they pre empt. The Zionists love to pull the victim card, much like the LGBTQ+++× community.
There’s no appetite for war among the Zionists and their backers. Why unite them by striking first?

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2024 20:07 utc | 105

Scotch Bingeington@93…. normally the Apartheid State kills any UNIFIL troops that happen to be in the way. And if there’s Brits among them they’ll likely join the Zionists.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 20:09 utc | 106

https://www.voltairenet.org/article221265.htlm
On September 10 Palestine became a full Member of the UN

Posted by: swiss | Sep 19 2024 20:11 utc | 107

normally the Apartheid State kills any UNIFIL troops that happen to be in the way.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 20:09 utc | 106

There are Chinese troops in the way.
http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/CHINA_209163/TopStories_209189/16339206.html

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 20:16 utc | 108

It would be something if “Israel” attacks Chinese UN personnel and China responds by declaring war on “Israel” 😀
Or Ireland; a EU member responding by officially declaring war on “Israel” would be a magnificent treasure trove even if not a single shot was fired 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 19 2024 20:33 utc | 109

Scotch Bingeington | Sep 19 2024 19:15 utc | 93–
Bologna breath. The entire Zionist cabinet row was over Gallant’s refusal to attack Hezbollah for which there’re many sources, Zionist and others. As For Hezbollah’s AD systems, its downing last year of a Hermes 450 drone proved it has such capabilities. There are excellent reasons why Hezbollah doesn’t show all its cards as the Zionists would like. Some would call that smart.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 20:34 utc | 110

Now Typepad blocks comments with Al-Mayadeen links. Figures. I removed it so my comment will post.
Scotch Bingeington | Sep 19 2024 19:15 utc | 93–
Bologna breath. The entire Zionist cabinet row was over Gallant’s refusal to attack Hezbollah for which there’re many sources, Zionist and others. As For Hezbollah’s AD systems, its downing last year of a Hermes 450 drone proved it has such capabilities. There are excellent reasons why Hezbollah doesn’t show all its cards as the Zionists would like. Some would call that smart

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 20:37 utc | 111

Following up the post99, the netizen also mentioned that according to the latest information that the exploded pagers were ultrasonic welded, which could not be opened after assembled.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 20:40 utc | 112

If the news about a staging area for IDF tanks south of lebanon is true then would be a nice time for iran to bomb them (they still have credits for the last jokes)
And Hezbollah could wipe out the port of haifa (and refinery) as the last attack by israel was general terrorism.
Add a pinch of RF using some mig-31 to light up IDF fighters for any Hezbollah AD to take out and it could be pretty.

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 19 2024 20:48 utc | 113

“Such terrorist acts are undoubtedly the result of the Zionist regime’s [Israel’s] despair and successive failures. This will soon be met with a crushing response from the axis of resistance, and we will witness the destruction of this bloodthirsty and criminal regime,” Hossein Salami, Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps chief, said.
Boast?
Or will we finally see the end of this?

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 19 2024 21:11 utc | 114

worth a watch/listen, in part and in full
https://www.youtube.com/live/o7BMWUd3ixc
israel Escalates Terror Campaign: How Will Lebanon and Iran Respond?
On The Freedom Side LIVE, Thursday, 9/19 at 3pm ET/12pm PT, Eugene and Rania are joined by special guests:
Elijah Magnier- Israel weaponized civilian communication devices, turning them into deadly explosives and killing at least 12 people while maiming thousands in a series of terrorist attacks in Lebanon this week. Veteran war correspondent Elijah Magnier exposes Israel’s ongoing war crimes, carried out with full US support, as it recklessly pushes for a war with Lebanon—one it cannot win.
Abubaker Abed – Palestinian journalist and commentator in Gaza, Abubaker Abed, joins hosts Rania Khalek and Eugene Puryear to share the situation in the central city of Deir al-Balah amid the ongoing US-Israeli genocide in Gaza.
David Hundeyin – Days after US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken announced sanctions against Russian state broadcaster RT and other non-western-aligned media platforms, Meta banned the accounts of African Stream, a Pan-African digital media organization. Nigerian Investigative journalist and author David Hundeyin, explains how Meta’s ban on Africa Stream is the latest in the US government’s offensive against media that challenge US corporate media narratives…….

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 21:12 utc | 115

Hacktivist Andrew Huang weighs in Turning Everyday Gadgets into Bombs is a Bad Idea. TL;DR : it’s quite easy and cheap to manufacture an undetectable modified explosive lithium-ion pouch battery and this attack creates a serious precedent. He concludes:

I fear that if we do not universally and swiftly condemn the practice of turning everyday gadgets into bombs, we risk legitimizing a military technology that can literally bring the front line of every conflict into your pocket, purse or home.

Posted by: proflutz | Sep 19 2024 21:14 utc | 116

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 20:40 utc | 111
Small clarification: it’s not that ultrasonic-welded devices can’t be opened up, it’s that there’s near zero possibility of opening them up without leaving behind evidence of tampering. This implies the manufacturer’s complicity in implanting the explosive material. The theory that the devices were modified after they have left the factory becomes far less plausible. The netizen making this claim is apparently an electronics engineering professor at Wuhan University. The netizen also mentioned that the ultrasonic welding is needed for the pager to obtain an IP67 rating (resistance against dust and water).
Good job on sharing information that’s widely available on Chinese internet to this part of the world.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 19 2024 21:23 utc | 117

Israel might win the battle, but they’ll lose the war.
With each act terror of Israel commits, the more world condemns them.

Posted by: Willow | Sep 19 2024 21:24 utc | 118

‘I see no representative of that other major world religion in your list …’ — Arch Bungle
Question everything. Is a cult with only some 15 million adherents worldwide a ‘major religion’?
No one denies its historical precedence among the so-called Abrahamic religions, of which the other two are vastly larger.
But we must entertain the possibility that it has descended into an ethnic supremacist hate cult, more like the Ku Klux Klan or the Azov battalion than a religious tradition. Evidently, the secular heresy of Zionism infected and derailed it from any former legitimate status as a religion.

Posted by: Jim H | Sep 19 2024 21:30 utc | 119

@ lulu | Sep 19 2024 20:40 utc | 111
@ All Under Heaven | Sep 19 2024 21:23 utc | 116
Has there been any chatter about radio battery packs?

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 21:31 utc | 120

@ lulu | Sep 19 2024 20:40 utc | 111
@ All Under Heaven | Sep 19 2024 21:23 utc | 116
Adding …
Are the precursors (detonator + explosive) readily available at the place of manufacture?
Both items are somewhat special.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 21:37 utc | 121

first link by Alan MacLeod, the title of Le Monde’s article is: Lebanon rocked by Hezbollah pager attack
of course, the headline should read that it was: Israeli pager attack, right??
https://x.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1836547727821361555
Alan MacLeod @AlanRMacLeod
This headline hides the real perpetrator (Israel), and makes it sound like it was Hezbollah that carried out the terror attack.
I wonder if we can shame @LeMonde_EN into changing this terrible article.
https://x.com/richards1052/status/1836587719809732937
Tikun Olam 🍉 @richards1052
I am a Jew. I once loved Israel (love-hate actually). I studied at its universities. I am a fluent In Hebrew.
But Israel has turned. It has become a monster. It is evil.
https://x.com/warintel4u/status/1836803432008839339
War Intel @warintel4u
⚡️IRGC Commander Hossein Salami told Hezbollah Chief Nasrallah: “Israel will face a crushing response from the axis of resistance”

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 21:46 utc | 122

It is obvious now that the pager detonations were a prelude to the actual attack.
Phase 1 was creating confusion and disruption of communications within Hezbollah.
Phase 2 is the aerial bombardment.
Phase 3. ( the most difficult and perhaps impossible phase) will be the land invasion.
It is also obvious the U.S. knows this and is on standby for the Israeli Diaper Force.

Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 19 2024 21:56 utc | 123

‘The blowback from [Israel’s] terrorist attack will play out over decades, much to the detriment of the West, who have prostituted their honor, such as it was, to a nation of religious fanatics bent on extermination of a people inconveniently located on land the murderers covet.’ — Doctor Eleven
In the mid-20th century, vast amounts of ink were expended on commentaries and fictional treatments focused on our vulnerability to nuclear destruction. School students were told to cower under their desks when the air raid sirens sounded.
Now Mossad has introduced a new existential fear: that ordinary household devices can detonate under remote control to kill and maim us.
Doctor Eleven is correct that it will take decades for the implications of this grotesque, sadistic intrusion to play out. Its authors — the US and Israel — will not fare well.
Half a century ago, Jimmy Carter pitched the US as a defender of human rights. Such a risible claim is no longer even attempted, now that ‘fighting antisemitism’ is America’s moral crusade. All that ‘Biden’ regime spokespersons — who regularly laud America’s ‘ironclad’ support of Israel — can say is, ‘We didn’t know.’
But their publicly-funded Holocaust museums proclaim that ‘We didn’t know’ is no defense for former ‘good Germans.’ Even 97-year-old ladies must retroactively pay for serving as humble stenographers during the war years. Have the rules changed, for Americans funding Israel’s atrocities? I reckon not!

Posted by: Jim H | Sep 19 2024 22:02 utc | 124

All Under Heaven @116
Thank you very much for the clarification!
This netizen (video linked in my post99) also mentioned that the pager explosion could be triggered by doctored code for certain radio band (?), for all the exploded pagers got a message/code simultaneously just before their explosion.
If you understand Chinese, I’d suggest you listen to how he explained in the video.
too scents @119
Sorry, what do you mean by radio battery packs? Could you explain it a bit for me so I can give your right info?
So far the chatters/videos in Chinese (mainly from TW) I have seen do not focus that much on battery, rather on the company Gold Apollo and the role it might played because of 1). its boasting of cooperation with FBI (the article linked in my post98) and 2). its exclusive ultrasonic-welded devices which can’t be opened “without leaving behind evidence of tampering” as explained by post 116.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 22:04 utc | 125

I ran across this. I thought I posted it earlier
Hezbollah Faces a Choice – Back Down or Go to War With Israel
https://archive.ph/frhvA

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 22:05 utc | 126

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/exploding-device-attacks-in-lebanon-utterly-despicable-says-harris-1674047.html
The usual from our taoiseach (prime minister). Words words words, with €234 billion debt, (from €40 billion before we were made to take the fall in the recession), I can’t see the government doing anything. We’re bordering on bankruptcy. Might be better to be financially bankrupt than morally bankrupt.

Posted by: Joe | Sep 19 2024 22:18 utc | 127

“Those and more are the reasons why Gallant didn’t want to attack Hezbollah.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 75
An excellent analysis.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 19 2024 22:29 utc | 128

I don’t think anyone has cited this article yet by Jamal Kanj
https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/09/19/exploding-pagers-in-lebanon-another-israeli-terrorism-blunder/
stating that on 16 September, Israel dropped leaflets on South Lebanon warning the inhabitants to leave immediately, by 4 PM. Then the terrorist pager attack took place the following day. Kanj says this shows that a planned Israeli military operation was aborted, but the pagers went off anyway the next day, resulting in a thoroughly wasted opportunity. Of course, the pager attack should have been followed immediately by a coordinated military campaign. The failure of that to happen shows disarray in the Israeli leadership, probably connected with the IDF vs. messianic fanatics split in Israel. It represents a missed opportunity and also will probably lead to recriminations among the Israeli leadership.
It is quite clear, as observed by one of the commenters today, that neither Israel nor Hizbullah desires to attack on land across the border with troops. Israel may kill more people, but it certainly got a bloody nose in 2006, and Hizbullah is way more powerful today. The fact that the IDF has not been able to restore the Israeli occupation that prevailed in Gaza 1967-2005 after a whole year of mayhem, massacre, and murder stands out most sorely to Israel. How can it be that the IDF couldn’t even corral the barely-armed Palestinians in Gaza when it had done so easily before, sometimes in a day or two, as in 1956 and 1967? However those Palestinians have armed themselves, apparently mostly from unexploded Israeli ordinance, they have been blockaded for years and never received any official transfers of weapons from anyone. Hizbullah, on the other hand, is an organization quite legitimate in the internal context of Lebanon which has in various official or quasi-official ways received plenty of arms and ammunition continuously from before 2006 and all the more thereafter. While it remains unlikely that Hizbullah could successfully cross the border into Galilee with ground forces, they certainly can defend South Lebanon better than in 2006. So Israel blusters about invading, but definitely does not want to bite that bullet, which would definitely promise it a bloodier nose than in 2006.

Posted by: Cabe | Sep 19 2024 22:42 utc | 129

hmmmmmm
Iran and israel have so often exchanged extreme words and warnings to each other etc etc, that I often wonder what to believe.
In this particular case, after the israeli terrorist pager/walkie talkie attacks, I do believe that there will be a serious response soon by Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran together. But only time will tell.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/19/iran-warns-israel-of-crushing-response-after-attacks-on-hezbollah
Iran warns Israel of ‘crushing response’ after attacks on Hezbollah
Iran’s Revolutionary Guard commander promises ‘destruction’ of Israel after communication device blasts
Israel will face “a crushing response from the axis of resistance”, the commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Hossein Salami, has told Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, according to state media.
Salami made the statement on Thursday after unprecedented attacks in the previous two days on Hezbollah pagers and walkie-talkies, which killed 37 people and wounded more than 2,900 when hundreds of devices were detonated almost simultaneously…..
“Such terrorist acts are undoubtedly the result of the Zionist regime’s [Israel’s] despair and successive failures. This will soon be met with a crushing response from the axis of resistance, and we will witness the destruction of this bloodthirsty and criminal regime,” Salami said in his message to Nasrallah…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 22:46 utc | 130

proflutz @ 115.
Thanks for the link to the very interesting post that explains and shows exactly how battery packs are made and can be modified into explosive devices, with diagrams, etc.
It answers a lot of questions.
Here is a lengthy excerpt that bears consideration:

“Aside from taking advantage of gray and secondary markets, there are multiple opportunities along the route from the factory to you to tamper with goods – from the customs inspector, to the courier.
But you don’t even have to go so far as offering anyone a bribe or being a state-level agency to get tampered batteries into a supply chain. Anyone can buy a bunch of items from Amazon, swap out the batteries, restore the packaging and seals, and return the goods to the warehouse (and yes, there is already a whole industry devoted to copying packaging and security seals for the purpose of warranty fraud). The perpetrator will be long-gone by the time the device is resold. Depending on the objective of the campaign, no further targeting may be necessary – just reports of dozens of devices simultaneously detonating in your home town may be sufficient to achieve a nefarious objective.
Note that such a “reverse-logistics injection attack” works even if you on-shore all your factories, and tariff the hell out of everyone else. Any “tourist” with a suitcase is all it takes.
Pandora’s Box is Open
Not all things that could exist should exist, and some ideas are better left unimplemented. Technology alone has no ethics: the difference between a patch and an exploit is the method in which a technology is disclosed. Exploding batteries have probably been conceived of and tested by spy agencies around the world, but never deployed en masse because while it may achieve a tactical win, it is too easy for weaker adversaries to copy the idea and justify its re-deployment in an asymmetric and devastating retaliation.
However, now that I’ve seen it executed, I am left with the terrifying realization that not only is it feasible, it’s relatively easy for any modestly-funded entity to implement. Not just our allies can do this – a wide cast of adversaries have this capability in their reach, from nation-states to cartels and gangs, to shady copycat battery factories just looking for a big payday (if chemical suppliers can moonlight in illicit drugs, what stops battery factories from dealing in bespoke munitions?). Bottom line is: we should approach the public policy debate around this assuming that someday, we could be victims of exploding batteries, too. Turning everyday objects into fragmentation grenades should be a crime, as it blurs the line between civilian and military technologies.
I fear that if we do not universally and swiftly condemn the practice of turning everyday gadgets into bombs, we risk legitimizing a military technology that can literally bring the front line of every conflict into your pocket, purse or home.”

Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 22:47 utc | 131

Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 21:37 utc | 120
Same as lulu here, nothing on my end about the battery pack, detonator, or explosive.
As the suspicion is that the ROC government itself is directly involved in the operation (see lulu’s post 99 talking about the meeting between Tsai and Israeli Knesset in April this year), obtaining the aforementioned material shouldn’t be a challenge. As recently as July this year, Taiwan was boasting about making polycyclic nitroamine explosives, so something like PETN, which apparently is commonly used as a detonator for more powerful primary explosives, shouldn’t be hard to make for them.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2024/07/06/2003820398

The Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology has developed a polycyclic nitroamine explosive, commonly known as CL-20, which is the most powerful non-nuclear explosive known, a government source said yesterday on condition of anonymity.
The institute has significantly improved explosive and rocket propellant research and development in recent years, the source said.
A new factory was established in June 2022 with NT$540 million (US$16.6 million) in equipment installed, the source said.

BTW, I didn’t check the video linked in lulu’s post 99 and didn’t know it was a call-in show. The netizen I was referring to, the one claiming to be a electronics engineering professor, talked about the exploding pager here (in Chinese): https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1GbtGeSE5H/

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 19 2024 22:51 utc | 132

Two Taiwanese bloggers, one is mp from Taipei city, talking about who made the exploded pagers?
Contradictory Statements (video: 6’30 – 7’42)
TW Ministry replied journo question stating that the company (Gold Apollo) said that “ the exploded pagers were tampered after they were exported ” after it reviewed the photos;
Gold Apollo company statement and Hsu Ching-kuang, founder and president of Gold Apollo, said that these batch of pagers “are 100% not made by Gold Apollo but made overseas”.
It is clear neither the Ministry nor the company know where these pagers were actually made, or they have not adopted/found a unified official explanation.
Is Gold Apollo Lying? (video: 7’52 – 11’33)
The company denied that it produced the Gold Apollo Pager AR924, Mr. Hsu said to the media that pager AR924 is not its product. Then, why did it make the promo about 【Introduction】Gold Apollo Rugged Pager AR924【AR924】Rugged Pager【Gold Apollo】in 2023?
Because the company has boasted its exclusive ultrasonic-welded technology, i.e. its pagers could not be opened without leaving evidence of tampering, it is reasonable to suspect Pager AR924b were tampered during the assembly.
– Possible Revenge on TW by Muslim?
The focus of discussion in Chinese info sphere (mainland and tw) is different from that in Western which is based on info distributed by MSM.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 22:53 utc | 133

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 22:53 utc | 132
Thanks lulu, this is very good information.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 19 2024 23:02 utc | 134

Roll over iPhone and Samsung, let Huawei and Xiaomi take over:

Chinese factories are overwhelmed with orders from the Middle East! Posts from Chinese social media, stating factories are running overnight shifts to accommodate huge orders of communication devices from the Middle East.
A requirement from clients, is that the whole manufacturing process must be done inside China.
“>https://t.me/myLordBebo/44709

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:06 utc | 135

Arch Bungle @ 133

Thanks lulu, this is very good information.

Israel and the Emperor just fucked Taiwan’s digital industry in favor of mainland China. One more wake up call to Taiwan’s elites where their best interests and future lies.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:13 utc | 136

Ixrahell five jets flying over Beirut creating sonic booms during Nasrallah speech about coming retaliation for exploding devices. Intensive bombing of northern Gaza also. Israhell on offensive. Will Hezbollah act soon?

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 19 2024 23:15 utc | 137

All Under Heaven @131
Thank you for the link!
The call-in netizen also shared some of his guesses:
1). Israeli company might supply the tampered battery to Gold Apollo;
2) Gold Apollo cooperated with Israeli intelligence or via tw intelligence.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 23:16 utc | 138

so sorry folks, I put this in the Ukraine thread by mistake as I was reading over there, forgot where I was, and as I don’t usually post in that thread……… so, an error on my part.
https://x.com/mona_fawaz/status/1836655105434665010
Mona Fawaz @mona_fawaz
Had the terrorist attack witnessed in Lebanon in the past 48hrs occurred in Europe, western media would be following victims, telling the story of a boy who lost an eye, a girl who lost her life… but these are only brown people, so they celebrate Israel’s ingenuity. Repulsive.
https://x.com/emanabdelhadi/status/1836099831653085634
Eman Abdelhadi @emanabdelhadi
Reading the NYTimes can restore your faith in God. Pagers explode without anyone detonating them. Bombs fall without anyone dropping them. Bullets pierce people without anyone shooting them. Subhanallah.
see video here:
https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1836509086575399322
☀️👀 @zei_squirrel
as Norman Finkelstein said, Israel is a lunatic state, a crazed rabid freak incapable of reason. If you don’t deter it swiftly and decisively, it will merely keep going insane with its murderous rampage, as we saw again in Lebanon today

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 23:31 utc | 139

One more wake up call to Taiwan’s elites where their best interests and future lies.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:13 utc | 135
The future of Taiwan’s elites will always lie in their estates in Europe, Singapore, Thailand and the USA.
Like all elites, they’re there to suck the life out of the host and leave a charred shell behind.
They’ll never need to “wake up” until they’re at the pointy end of a bayonette.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 19 2024 23:37 utc | 140

A member of the Knesset yesterday reiterated that Israel was prepared to observe a ceasefire with Hezbollah on terms previously articulated. Those terms require Hezbollah to retreat permanently to the northern side of the Litani River. For its part, Hezbollah says it will observe a ceasefire with Israel as soon as a ceasefire in Gaza is implemented. Ceasefire in Gaza: Hamas says it will observe terms it says were on the table back in June, while Israel has since added new conditions.
The UK appears to be assuming a lead role in brokering more talks between Hezbollah and Israel, after US officials today expressed the opinion that no Gaza ceasefire can be achieved during the remainder of Biden’s term. British Foreign Minister Lammy told Reuters: “Tonight, I’m calling for an immediate ceasefire from both sides. We are all united in our desire for a negotiated political settlement, allowing Israelis to return to their homes in northern Israel and Lebanese to return to theirs.” This after speaking with French, American, and Italian counterparts. No mention on how the negotiations could or should proceed, or how yesterday’s UN vote factors in. Clearly Israel is the party continuously escalating the conflict, and the U.S., UK and France are continuing to supply Israel with vast stocks of weaponry.
The diplomatic “solution”, or peace terms after a broader conflict, will likely not be brokered by US-UK or their allies.

Posted by: jayc | Sep 19 2024 23:37 utc | 141

Roll over iPhone and Samsung, let Huawei and Xiaomi take over:
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:06 utc | 134
Hehehe, I’m way ahead of the rest of you guys.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 19 2024 23:38 utc | 142

125 Dogon Priest. “Assuming that this was, in fact, an Israeli operation, there are two possible explanations for why Netanyahu, who right now seems to be the one behind Israel’s northern strategy, authorized it.
The first is that the prime minister hopes that the growing pressure and heightened paranoia of further attacks will eventually bring Hezbollah to the breaking point. Nasrallah will come to the conclusion that the price Hezbollah is paying for its contribution to Hamas’ struggle in Gaza – the nonstop rocket, anti-tank and drone attacks since last October – is too high. He will thus seek a cease-fire agreement in which Hezbollah’s Radwan units will withdraw to north of the Litani River, thereby enabling at least some Israelis to return to their homes on the border with Lebanon”
Re:The above post from Haeretz by Dogon Priest: When Nazrallah emphasizes how Hezbollah will never forsake Gaza, why did he even suggest this possibility? Better to have said nothing imo. Sorry, but I think he talks too much.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 19 2024 23:42 utc | 143

Not necessarily true, just more stuff off TG to consider, there are images and docs on the link. I don’t see how it’s possible they were made w/o Apollo Gold’s participation, the deniability is boilerplate stuff, company will change its name and be fine, as much as any Taiwanese e-device company can be fine after this, CEO pockets a few million in tax free “income”, Taiwanese govt. leadership gets a pat on the head from its master and wags it tail happy, all works out in the end.

As it turned out, the solution to the “incredible special operation” of Mossad with the planting of exploding pagers to Hezbollah is extremely simple and has nothing to do with hackers, etc. So, these devices were produced by the Taiwanese company Gold Apollo, in which the share of American management is suddenly high. Apparently, the pagers were filled with explosives right at the factory and under the careful control of the CIA (was it for nothing that Washington was shouting that it was not involved, and it was the only Western country shouting?) Then, in April, in which the explosive batch of devices was sent to Lebanon, a large delegation from the Knesset suddenly arrived in Taipei. By the way, they sent it not directly, but through a Hungarian shell (screenshot 4), to which the money was sent and where there is only one employee who is not even paid a salary.
“>https://t.me/CyberspecNews/63638

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:43 utc | 144

Forgot to mention the Gold Apollo Pager AR924 can be plugged in a computer via usb as its promo video demonstrates.
The tw bloggers also said that Mr. Hsu, the founder and president of Gold Appolo, probably should worry about his life now.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 23:43 utc | 145

This is Beethoven
Maricio polini.

Posted by: Alzeihmer | Sep 19 2024 23:45 utc | 146

Thanks Lulu & michealj72.
It’s postings like these that’s freaking out the Narrative controllers.
Hence, the “trolls” flooding this site. I had often imagined these were cheap labour call centre type personnel, but more likely to be msm “journalists” & their main income streams.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2024 23:47 utc | 147

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michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 22:46 utc | 129
This will soon be met with a crushing response from the axis of resistance, and we will witness the destruction of this bloodthirsty and criminal regime.
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It’s probable that Hezbollah, Iran, and others of the “axis if resistance” are waiting for Israel to initiate their invasion of South Lebanon. They want Israel send the first wave of missiles and aircraft. Then their strike will be more effective. I don’t think there will be a safe space for aircraft intercepting missiles over Jordan, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia this round.
The first Iranian attack was to assess the tactics, capabilites, and capacity of the Forces of Zion AD. That’s why the Iranians essentially announced when and where they were coming.
The Israeli know they don’t have sufficient AD capacity and capabilites to stop multiple waves of drones and missiles, especially from South Lebanon. So the Israeli are trying to provoke an attack, so they can counter with air and land forces.
For both sides it’s timing.
PS Looks like The Guardian picked up on your war crime and booby-trap post; but they seemed to forget mentioning the specific protocol that applies.
Why don’t you send The Guardian a comment and set their readers straight.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/18/the-guardian-view-on-israels-booby-trap-war-and-unacceptable

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 19 2024 23:49 utc | 148

US BBC news suggests uncommitted movement spokesperson in US state of Michigan has said US voters in Nov. US Pres election should not vote for 3rd party candidate as this will enable a Trump victory. Suggesting of course Trump will be better for Palestine. Will those Muslim voters really support such a position? Let’s see how Jill Stein responds to this. She has claimed US Muslim voters support her.
A lot of bad news today. Tomorrow another day.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 19 2024 23:54 utc | 149

Dave 100
Yes there’s a lot going on but I think the bastard would be overthrown prior to any real attempts to make it to the litani river.
This is an impressive invasion so far, evacuating everything north of katzrin.. looks like about 30 miles of land loss, no idea how many illegal immigrant settlers are in the area they just ordered evacuated but they’ll never be able to return.
I can’t follow the 4D pharisees logic here, evacuate their own territory then claim to invade it? Push back that 30 miles to force hez into striking at deeper more important targets like haifa and tel aviv? Some weird gesture offering to remove settlers for a cease fire? Preemptively starting the process knowing they’ll have to evacuate everything north of haifa anyway? Sanitary zone for fallout?
That’s a decent chunk of their territory they’ve just given up with no chance of returning, without major regional changes. New regime, overthrow, collapse, etc, not currently possible with the existing aircraft carrier posing as a nation.
Good irony Dave, bibi promising to return settlers then just hours later evacuating thousands more settlers out and even further south (back to their own nations?)
I don’t yet understand the pharisees invasional-retreat tactic.

Posted by: NJH | Sep 20 2024 0:01 utc | 150

@148
“Gaza News Now
#Urgent | A word from the Republican candidate for the US presidential elections, Donald Trump
– Kamala Harris must be defeated because her victory will harm Israel
– The attacks on Israel these days have not happened since the “Holocaust”
– Harris cannot protect the Jewish people from Hamas or those who support it, but we will do so if we reach power
– I am the best friend of the Jews
– I will protect Israel and defend it when I am in the White House”

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 20 2024 0:02 utc | 151

” A requirement from clients, is that the whole manufacturing process must be done inside China.”
https://t.me/myLordBebo/44709
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:06 utc | 134
If China can guarantee a secure chain of custody to thr point of delivery they could take over the marketplace.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 20 2024 0:13 utc | 152

Lulu @ 132, Arch Bungle @ 133:
The video promo was made by Apollo Systems HK which appears to be a separate (though perhaps related) company from Gold Apollo:

Apollo Systems HK was established to answer a growing market of pager communication systems around the world. Apollo Systems HK acquired the sole distribution rights to Gold Apollo Pagers Systems, and is proud to provide a wide range of products and services. From our sales office in Taiwan to our logistics facilities in Hong Kong, we provide full customer experience and maintain a direct connection to our manufacturers in Asia. We deliver reliable communication, system design and network-enabled solutions internationally.

The company’s website is at this link. Curiously, if you try to find out anything about the company, or contact it, you get the 404 error message.
The actual pagers themselves (if not the booby-trapped walkie talkies that exploded a day after the pagers did) were apparently made by BAC Consulting KFT, a Budapest-based company, on licence from Gold Apollo. But all that has been found out so far about this company – you can Google for information about it – suggests that BAC Consulting KFT might be a front or a shell company being operated by a person or people linked to intelligence agencies.
Did Israel use this Hungarian firm for its alleged Hezbollah pager bombs?
Methinks BAC Consulting KFT subcontracted the work of making the pagers to other companies, possibly in other countries, with components coming from different suppliers, and this could have been done deliberately to confuse checks by auditors and other outsiders on the supply chain network to ensure transparent operations and accountability.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 20 2024 0:13 utc | 153

“There’s no appetite for war among the Zionists and their backers. Why unite them by striking first?”
Posted by: Suresh
I don’t know “Suresh”. What I do know is that Suresh is either A)naive, B)not the brightest bulb in the box…or C)a Hasbara Bot trying to talk us out of supporting an assault on the occupiers of Palestine.
I don’t think his ploy is going to work.

Posted by: arthurdecco | Sep 20 2024 0:17 utc | 154

Thanks also lulu.
I can hardly believe how useless the western press has become. Search engines also. And that people accept this.
I cannot find a circuit diagram of the pager, a picture of components and detailed specs of the pager, let alone a document illustrating a disassembled rigged one to show how they were rigged. There is nothing secret about this, there were thousands of pagers and many did not explode and so eventually someone will publish the info. Searches that are not news focused just bring reels of only news stories from msm all saying the same thing.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/hunt-for-origins-of-lebanon-pager-attack-widens-to-bulgaria%2C-norway
has a little extra information. Important is to obtain a rigged one and compare with normal originals to find out if it was not made as copy and switched for a batch from Taiwan (or wherever officially made).

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 20 2024 0:20 utc | 155

The element of surprise has to be there in Iran or Hezbollah’s response. Israel is ready for an attack. Not the time now to respond. Wait out the Israeli attack and launch a surprise attack when things settle a little.
Wars are taking a massive toll on the Israeli economy and society. Young people are leaving Israel in droves.
Iran should drag Turkey to the conflict by forcing Israel to attack Turkish interests in the region.
Iran may have the ability to deploy at least 10 nukes within the next 12 months with North Korean help. Iranian scientists may be doing their experiments in North Korea. Israel has no reach there. Rudimentary nukes are more effective than efficient nukes. The former spews radioactive waste far and wide.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 20 2024 0:22 utc | 156

The element of surprise has to be there in Iran or Hezbollah’s response. Israel is ready for an attack.
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Posted by: Jason | Sep 20 2024 0:22 utc | 155
The problem is you’re dealing with a paranoid entity that’s always expecting an attack.
The “eternal victim” mentality is there for a reason.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 0:40 utc | 157

The element of surprise has to be there in Iran or Hezbollah’s response. Israel is ready for an attack. Not the time now to respond. Wait out the Israeli attack and launch a surprise attack when things settle a little.
Wars are taking a massive toll on the Israeli economy and society. Young people are leaving Israel in droves.
Iran should drag Turkey to the conflict by forcing Israel to attack Turkish interests in the region.
Iran may have the ability to deploy at least 10 nukes within the next 12 months with North Korean help. Iranian scientists may be doing their experiments in North Korea. Israel has no reach there. Rudimentary nukes are more effective than efficient nukes. The former spews radioactive waste far and wide.
Posted by: Jason | Sep 20 2024 0:22 utc | 155
Nice comment, Jason. Keep it up.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2024 0:41 utc | 158

One more wake up call to Taiwan’s elites where their best interests and future lies.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 23:13 utc | 135
The future of Taiwan’s elites will always lie in their estates in Europe, Singapore, Thailand and the USA.
Like all elites, they’re there to suck the life out of the host and leave a charred shell behind.
They’ll never need to “wake up” until they’re at the pointy end of a bayonette.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 19 2024 23:37 utc | 139
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Are Taiwan’s “elites” actually Taiwanese or Chinese from the adjacent portions of the Chinese mainland?
I recall reading—perhaps in a book by Sterling Seagrave—that the local Taiwanese had been more or less colonized and taken over by Mainland Chinese.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 20 2024 0:44 utc | 159

I watched the electronics engineering professor’s breakdown of the exploding walkie-talkies and also rewatched his video on the beepers to see if I missed anything.
Minor correction: the prof is now based in Yangtze University, not Wuhan University.
Walkie Talkie:
– Walkie-talkie made in Japan and there are counterfeits in the market.
– Explosive placed near the DA converter and VCO circuit of the walkie-talkie based on explosion pattern.
– Mossad deliberately avoided placing explosives on the battery because battery changes happen often. I think he was implying that batteries are less likely to be close to a human than the walkie-talkie unit.
– Explosive placed behind metal plate to create shrapnel, thereby increasing lethality.
– Synchronized explosion was needed to maximize casualties, as people would discard devices once the devices are deemed suspicious or compromised.
– Unlike the pagers/beepers, he’s more inclined to believe that modifications were made after Mossad acquired the walkie-talkies, not during manufacturing (reasons were: no modifications at a programming/chip level, no IP67 rating, easy to disassemble, more room for modifications in the larger walkie-talkie so an entire timed detonator can be added, only hundreds of walkie-talkies needed to be modified vs thousands of beepers).
– Synchronized explosions likely achieved via a clock, not remote.
Beeper:
– Beeper also likely used a clock instead of being remotely detonated. He speculated that at detonation time, the beeper triggered a message received notification sound (the beeping) which would make most people instinctively reach for the beeper and place it close to their face.
– Beeper has an 85-day battery life, clock is accurate so long as it has power (component labeled “E768Y”, 32.768kHz crystal).
– Pre-existing clock chip used to time the detonation. If modifications were made, then they’d have to change the clock chip and reprogram the whole thing. This was another reason, beside the tamper-evident ultrasonic welding used to achieve the IP67 rating, why he believed that the manufacturer was involved in turning the beeper into an explosive device.
The component diagrams for the walkie-talkie and the beeper can be found in his videos. Douyin has higher resolution than bilibili so I’m linking his Douyin videos instead:
https://v.douyin.com/ikuR46VM/ Walkie-talkie
https://v.douyin.com/ikuRGu8v/ Beeper

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 20 2024 0:45 utc | 160

Jerr @ 147,
quote from Guardian piece:
” Israel’s leaders have a long history of carrying out sophisticated remote operations, ranging from cyber-attacks, suicide drone attacks and remote-controlled weapons to assassinate Iranian scientists.”
The Guardian article doesn’t provide a list of these operations but limits itself to a restricted menu (cyber-attacks et al.). How about bringing down buildings and planes?
When do we start to connect more dots concerning Israel’s “sophisticated remote operations”?

Posted by: Jane | Sep 20 2024 0:57 utc | 161

Are you ready Jesus? (uh huh)
Buddha? (yeah)
Mohammed? (okay)
Well alright fellas, let’s go!
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 16:13 utc | 33
I see no representative of that other major world religion in your list …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 19 2024 16:20 utc | 37
I believe he is paraphrasing the first few lines of a song called “Ballroom Blitz” and inserting the names of religious figures instead of Steve, Andy and Mick.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 20 2024 1:08 utc | 162

Man, I made the mistake of clicking on Telegram links that showed the extent of the injuries as a result of the pager explosions. Nightmare fuel. Israel is literally a satanic collective manifest on Earth.

Posted by: bored | Sep 20 2024 1:18 utc | 163

Jerr – PS Looks like The Guardian picked up on your war crime and booby-trap post; but they seemed to forget mentioning the specific protocol that applies.
and
Suresh – Thanks Lulu & michealj72.
It’s postings like these that’s freaking out the Narrative controllers.
Hence, the “trolls” flooding this site. I had often imagined these were cheap labour call centre type personnel, but more likely to be msm “journalists” & their main income streams.
……….
This kind of idiocy which continually clogs up the forum ruins it for the sane well balanced people who reply on data evidence and logic instead.

Posted by: Escobar | Sep 20 2024 1:20 utc | 164

The overinflated self-importance of the conspiracy theorists seems infinite
And yes, I shouldn’t feed the trolls. I know. I should focus on the positive aspects but it is very hard to.

Posted by: Escobar | Sep 20 2024 1:27 utc | 165

That Inka thing is some kind of quisling lickspittle, innit?

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 20 2024 1:29 utc | 166

I suspect that the day Israel sinks Atlantis-like into the sands of the Levant, exploding mobile devices are going to be part of their global Sampson option.
If you’re laughing at the Lebanese now you’ll be crying blood when that day comes.
Take a second look at your supply chain from now on …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 1:29 utc | 167

Re: response from Lebanese ?
It’s been happening every day now for nearly a year, Barflies. The past few days included. They have cleared a 50km wide corridor .already.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 20 2024 1:36 utc | 168

@159
Thank you for those links.
The circuit he shows is AL 924 and not AR 924
Search pictures via: tech-flashback-gold-apollo-al-924-t-synthesized-pocsag-pagers/
Which I had found, although it is possible both are very similar. I am looking at it from a slightly different perspective :
Exact copies were made elsewhere, with either a coded text (or even a seperate receiver waiting a certain signal) caused detonation. Originals were made in an official factory (and sealed) , they were replaced by the counterfeit batch (also sealed) and that new counterfeit shipment carried all the paperwork of the original authentic batch.
Equally the factory that made them was compromised, or parts were (if the explosive was self contained in the battery).
I don’t say your videos are wrong either, because I don’t know … because disassembly of actual rigged device has not been presented to us yet.
“Israel” (and msm) narrative – we rigged them, they only went to Hezballah because only Hezballah was hurt or those “too close” to them.
Other version – the pagers were handed around to all people Hezballah (a political party) might want to be kept notified (medics, rescue etc. ). Some of those might have been lost or stolen, some flown out from Syria, some might have been placed on ebay even (assuming they are able to change code number or hz ) .
Hypothetically some rigged ones had left Lebanon and are in the west or wherever.
So, where is the advisory to hand in certain serial nos ? Not to take those on flights ? Etc.
The clock idea of detonation is neater.
Too neat maybe ?

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 20 2024 1:36 utc | 169

Are Taiwan’s “elites” actually Taiwanese or Chinese from the adjacent portions of the Chinese mainland?
I recall reading—perhaps in a book by Sterling Seagrave—that the local Taiwanese had been more or less colonized and taken over by Mainland Chinese.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 20 2024 0:44 utc | 158

The elites are all Chinese, though some may deny their heritage for political gain. There’s a video of DPP’s Tsai loudly proclaiming “I am Taiwanese, but I am also Chinese because I grew up receiving a Chinese education.” This was 20 years ago.
https://youtu.be/ojcJyb8dtAo
For an English source on current politics in Taiwan, I recommend https://x.com/notXiangyu . I do not endorse his association with the ACP/MAGA communism, but his insights into Taiwan is pretty on point.
I sense an unasked question regarding what constitutes Taiwanese or Chinese. Taiwanese is a subset of Chinese. It’s a local identity much like Shanghainese. No one ever uses Taiwanese to refer to the aborigines inhabiting the island of Taiwan.
– Taiwan has aborigines. They’re the ancestors of the Austronesian people. They’re a tiny minority on the island. They’re officially recognized by the PRC (the mainland’s government) as the Gaoshan people.
– The Chinese first recorded the island’s existence around the Eastern Han period, which is about 1,800 years back.
– During the Sui-Tang period, the emperor has already been sending envoys to check on his subjects on the island (non-aborigines).
– During the 200-300 years of chaos following the collapse of Tang, lots of people fled to the island, especially those from the neighboring province of Fujian.
– As the population influx is mostly from Fujian, Chinese inhabitants on Taiwan speak the Fujianese/Hokkien dialect of Chinese. They consider themselves locals.
– The locals contrast themselves against the outsiders (“out-of-provincers” 外省人, not foreign nation but foreign province), composed of the defeated KMT army which fled to the island in 1949. Outsiders mostly spoke Mandarin, which was a necessity due to KMT being made up of people from many Chinese provinces who have difficulty understanding each other’s dialects.
– This was not the first time a defeated side in a Chinese civil war fled to Taiwan. Ming dynasty remnants fled there in hopes of one day overthrowing the Qing.
– When Taiwanese separatists say that Taiwanese is a distinct language, they mean the Fujianese they speak. They are definitely not talking about the languages of the aborigines.
– Aborigines actually don’t support the most openly separatist party, the DPP, all that much.
Don’t want to derail the thread so this will be the last post I make on this topic here.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 20 2024 1:53 utc | 170

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 20 2024 1:36 utc | 168
It’s all speculation. The prof is not performing forensics on the actual devices, so he could very well be wrong. I’m just sharing information that may be absent on this side of the internet due to language barriers.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 20 2024 1:54 utc | 171

@170
I understood that and appreciate it also.
Anything presented here will face a critique, that is not personal or to judge the commentator at all.
When someone makes a post that is clearly their point of view and others find it offensive, then it does sometimes become personal though, and if the post is questionable then the commentator might also find themselves tested or asked (politely or impolitely) to clarify. Just saying.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 20 2024 2:10 utc | 172

An article in today’s R.T. virtually outraged me to the point where a 17,000 thousand casualty list for Hamas fighters in Gaza, as propounded by an Azerbaijanian academic in Moscow struck me as simply echoing Israeli propaganda. In my furor I accidentally posted the entire gripe on the Ukraine site rather than this one. Posting was just a few minutes ago. Please do check it out, as it really lowered my respect for R.T.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 20 2024 2:17 utc | 173

Jane | Sep 20 2024| 160
Jane You are right there is along list of these war crimes but just making a list of them won’t do it. They have to be placed in context.
For example, in 1943 there was an uprising of the jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. It was consider and is touted in the Holocaust Museum as a great injustice. 56,000 jews were captured or killed with 36,000 of the captured being sent to the concentration camps. This is only half the number of persons killed in Gaza to-date. However, the number 40,000 gets lost. The is no comparative measure associated with it. It’s like taking a photo of the forest and saying how big the trees are You don’t have an appreciation of their height unless something is in it to compare.
The story of the killing, abuse ,expulsion from their homes, and the setting up the boundaries of Palistine, and the creation of the camps is exactly the story the jews tell in the Holocaust Museum to show how they were victimized. For example,jewish saga of the expulsion from the major cities in Russian beginning in the 19 th century, the defining of the Pale of Settlement, the creation of the ghettos, and the programs, is the 20th century story of the Palestinians in the 20th century.
Don’t make a list, make videos, make displays to tell this story. If one can, for every exhibit in the Holocaust Museum have one showing that the same thing happened to the Palestinians, but it was the Israeli who did this. Put them up on the mall next to the museum.
Also, an emotional context needs to be developed. I recall a short saying by Fafaat Alareer. He describes a conversation with his young daughter when Israeli planes were bombing Gaza before October 7. She said,” Oh, Good Daddy it dark. The Israeli jets cannot see us now and bomb us”. He looked at her and said “Yes darling they can’t see us”. I lost the reference to this but think it was from an editorial he wrote (would like to find because I’m just paraphasing it from memory). However, as a father, it brought home the Palestinian experience to me like nothing else I’ve read.
There are many Palestinian poets and writers that have these stories that few except Palestinians have heard. They should be collected in such a fashion that describes the experience of Palestinians from 1948 to present. The jews have their wailing wall, the Palestinians need to compose their Wailing Song.
I could go on awhile Jane but in my thinking, it’s context not a listing of facts that’s needed.

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 20 2024 2:40 utc | 174

Hungarian vote at the UNGA is a bad look, plus with the association to recent terrorist attacks by the Zionist entity……..?
Hope Orban stamps out the rot within before his cellphone “goes” off!

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 2:59 utc | 175

162 bored. I had to stop looking — torn off hands, arms above the elbow, flesh hanging off and blood, and much more. This is a terrible tragedy. In Gaza I saw a child with half arms and half legs trying to use a trowel to dig in the earth. Israel commits crimes against humanity beyond comprehension.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 20 2024 3:07 utc | 176

Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma
“A large squadron of warplanes is heading towards northern Palestine and Lebanon.
02:07
An Israeli raid targeted a site near Damascus International Airport.
03:29 ”

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 20 2024 3:09 utc | 177

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Sep 20 2024 0:45 utc | 159
Great insight.
@ Escobar. Hmmm? Which one are you?

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 3:21 utc | 178

I could go on awhile Jane but in my thinking, it’s context not a listing of facts that’s needed.
Posted by: Jerr | Sep 20 2024 2:40 utc | 173
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I think you may have missed my point.
To repeat, I wrote:
” Israel’s leaders have a long history of carrying out sophisticated remote operations, ranging from cyber-attacks, suicide drone attacks and remote-controlled weapons to assassinate Iranian scientists.”
The Guardian article doesn’t provide a list of these operations but limits itself to a restricted menu (cyber-attacks et al.). How about bringing down buildings and planes?
When do we start to connect more dots concerning Israel’s “sophisticated remote operations”?
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Please note boldface.
This has nothing to do with the Warsaw Ghetto.
Regards, J

Posted by: Jane | Sep 20 2024 3:24 utc | 179

OMG, what a bunch of Allah lovers on this site, 5 times a day.
Call it the Moon of Allah.
Soon coming to your neighborhood in Western Europe. Rotterdam just got an incident with an unidentified knife wielding person shouting something.

Posted by: antonym | Sep 20 2024 3:24 utc | 180

OMG, what a bunch of Allah lovers on this site, 5 times a day.
Call it the Moon of Allah.
Posted by: antonym | Sep 20 2024 3:24 utc | 179
Peace be upon you, may I inquire which type you are? Lowly paid call centre operator or Presstitude?
“Oh, there’s no rest for the wicked
Money don’t grow on trees
I got bills to pay
I got mouths to feed…” – Cage The Elephant
Wait, no? Zionist draft dodger?

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 3:41 utc | 181

Hope Orban stamps out the rot within before his cellphone “goes” off!
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 2:59 utc | 174
Orban is the rot.
Vague support of Russia does not make one any less of a creep.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 3:41 utc | 182

Not M.A.G.A., but rather M.J.L.A.= Make Jews Lampshades Again

Posted by: Jill Kewes | Sep 20 2024 3:44 utc | 183

101 lulu. More on Taiwan politics, Taiwan being the island where the defeated Koumintang retreated as the Communist Chinese Red Army under Mao won the Civil War in 1949. It is interesting that in recent history the Taiwan branch of the Koumintang, (which is now one of the smaller opposition parties in China) supported rapprochement with the Mainland, while the dominant liberal party has helped to turn the island into a US proxy. The US has, of course, always opposed the Communists.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 20 2024 3:56 utc | 184

Posted by: Jane | Sep 20 2024 3:24 utc | 178
Let me try again.
I don’t think you can expect The Guardian to provide the listing you want to see. Their controllers view all those items as Israeli acting in self defense.
Basically the article suggested that Israeli acted in violation of the conventions of war. Michael72 brought this up on a different thread several days back. Link and post are below.
The Guardian saying Israeli committed a war crime according to the Prohibitions on the Use of Booby-traps is a big deal for them. Sorry it isn’t a complete listing.
However, don’t dismiss the analogy between Gaza post-Oct 7 and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It would be shocking to most Westerners that the Israeli killed twice as many Palestinians as the Germans killed jews in the Warsaw Uprising. The best arguments are stated in a way the listeners can understand and relate.
Hopefully I responded better to your question, but I feel you won’t think it satisfactory.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/09/israels-threat-to-wage-war-on-hizbullah-is-getting-more-serious/comments/page/5/#comments
the USA, israel and Lebanon are all parties to the Convention
https://disarmament.unoda.org/ccw-amended-protocol-ii/
The Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended on 3 May 1996 (Amended Protocol II)
…Prohibits the use of booby-traps and other devices in the form of apparently harmless portable objects, such as children’s toys, specifically designed to contain explosive material….
…applies to non-international armed conflicts as well as conflicts between States, which means that its rules not only apply to States, but also to parties in a conflict other than States….
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 18 2024 4:54 utc | 482

Posted by: Jerr | Sep 20 2024 3:56 utc | 185

Orban is the rot.
Vague support of Russia does not make one any less of a creep.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 3:41 utc | 181
=================
Orban isn’t a creep.
But I guess Orban is OT.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 20 2024 3:57 utc | 186

It will be an international conference sometime in the future, I do not know when, but it will be one. It is a fact that each big war ends with some kind of international meeting of the winning
and losing nations. It may be called a ‘treaty’ or whatever. In those meetings there will be a discussion about ‘the culprit who started it’.
This is in my opinion a very important aspect of international gravity, and this is why Israelis are so eager to avoid being seen as the one who starts a war and that is why they always insist that “we are responding” to this attack by our adversary. Now, Hezbollah and Iran have turned this aspect fully around and it will be Israel who will be called the aggressor and will be held accountable – or if it is not there anymore, the countries which supported it will be in the dock.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 20 2024 4:04 utc | 187

All Under Heaven @ 159
Ornot @ 168
Video of Blown Radio
By the looks of this video the handheld radio was desgined to blow up when you held it up to your face and keyed the radio. It must have been armed by a signal.
Shattered radio
Another Shattered radio
Here is the service manual for the radio…
IC-V82 Service manual

Posted by: circumspect | Sep 20 2024 4:06 utc | 188

I think it’s safe to say that the era of Western manufacture is over (“Western” including Taiwan, South Korea, Japan) as of this month.

China is now the unquestionable, indisputable dominating power in manufacturing across the entire spectrum of consumer goods and will remain so for the next decade *at least*.

The only other potential contender, India, is decades behind and frankly will never be a manufacturing power on the scale of China, in this century or the next.

Thank you Israhell. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 4:22 utc | 189

I think it’s safe to say that the era of Western manufacture is over (“Western” including Taiwan, South Korea, Japan) as of this month.

China is now the unquestionable, indisputable dominating power in manufacturing across the entire spectrum of consumer goods and will remain so for the next decade *at least*.

The only other potential contender, India, is decades behind and frankly will never be a manufacturing power on the scale of China, in this century or the next.

Thank you Israhell. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 4:22 utc | 190

Posted this along with some more information in the last thread, but does not appear to be there. It looks like almayadeen is blocked.
“The sources explained that the material used in the complex operation could bypass all scanning equipment available even in countries and airports around the world as the explosive material is undetectable. In other words, the explosive material is “specially designed for this mission.”
Contrary to initial assumptions, it was not the pager batteries that caused the explosions, but the lithium within them that caused the detonation. The blast was triggered through advanced technology, which transmitted a message activating the explosives.
Additionally, the sources revealed that the explosives, often waist-strapped, were intended to cause maximum harm by directly impacting the body. It was noted that pager units that were either turned off or located in areas without coverage did not explode, as well as older pager models.”
headline of article : toll-from-israeli-attack-rises-to-12-martyrs—2800-injured

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 20 2024 4:45 utc | 191

173 jerr. You can get context by reading Palestinian author Ghassan Kanafani’s book of very personal short stories about Palestinians’, including his own, experience of becoming refugees after their land has been seized by Zionist Israelis. Kanafani was born in 1936 in Acre, northern Palestine, from which his family fled in 1948, settling finally in Damascas. In one of his stories, “The Land of Sad Oranges,” “the flight of Palestinians from their country is woven together with the themes of reduction of a family to destitution and it’s children’s loss of innocence…”(Introduction by Hilary Kilpatrick to ‘Men in the Sun and Other Palestinians Stories,’ pub. Lynne Rienner Pubs, 1999). Is seems his uncle never was able to live with the loss of his farm.
Kanafani had an academic and political career, eventually moving to Beirut where he wrote for newspapers before starting the magazine ‘Al-Hadaf.’ He was killed with his niece in an explosion of his booby-trapped car in 1972.

Posted by: Lavieja | Sep 20 2024 4:49 utc | 192

I think it’s safe to say that the era of Western manufacture is over (“Western” including Taiwan, South Korea, Japan) as of this month.
China is now the unquestionable, indisputable dominating power in manufacturing across the entire spectrum of consumer goods and will remain so for the next decade *at least*.
The only other potential contender, India, is decades behind and frankly will never be a manufacturing power on the scale of China, in this century or the next.
Thank you Israhell. Thank you very much.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 4:22 utc | 188
Made in China! Fuck western imperialism! New world order emerging, bastards.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2024 5:03 utc | 193

Orban isn’t a creep.
But I guess Orban is OT.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 20 2024 3:57 utc | 185
Urban in opaque. Don’t jump to conclusions.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2024 5:05 utc | 194

A couple of idiots on this thread already.
Hezbollah’s AA strength is of great concern to to IOF. The fear is real hence no “bombing Beirut to the stone age” boost made by the Zionists thus far.
Scorecard showed US “winning” in Vietnam.
Scorecard showed US “winning” in Iraq.
Scorecard showed US “winning” in Afghanistan.
The ongoing massacres in Palestine is not an Arab or Iranian failure to stop, its humanity’s failure.
What’s happening in Gaza and Ukraine is also what could happen to Lebanon and Iran if they pre empt. The Zionists love to pull the victim card, much like the LGBTQ+++× community.
There’s no appetite for war among the Zionists and their backers. Why unite them by striking first?
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 19 2024 20:07 utc | 105
Word.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2024 5:07 utc | 195

New world order emerging, bastards.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2024 5:03 utc | 192
Not THAT New World Order. Just a new world order.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 5:10 utc | 196

Michigan Dude @161, correct. Ballroom Blitz by Sweet.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 20 2024 5:12 utc | 197

Thank you Israhell. Thank you very much.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 4:22 utc | 188
Sorry, meant to say:

xie xie ni, motherfuckers.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 20 2024 5:12 utc | 198

….Those and more are the reasons why Gallant didn’t want to attack Hezbollah.
RE karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 75
very interesting and informative, Karl
confirms some of what I have read before (and forgotten).
thanks

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 20 2024 5:23 utc | 199

Gaza War SitRep Day 349
https://x.com/rosendo_joe/status/1836971541516398871
“Nasrallah speaks after pager attack. ‘The Lebanese front will not stop until the war in Gaza ends.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 20 2024 5:31 utc | 200