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September 19, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-224
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IMO, Israel is about to invade “into a kill zone trap.” …and their Zio leaders don’t mind. Posted by: ERing46Z | Sep 19 2024 14:35 utc | 1 Nasrallah speaks now, “Israel” launches strikes on Lebanon to coincide with. Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 14:36 utc | 2 Low level mock raids over Beirut now, sonic booms. Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 14:41 utc | 3 BREAKING: ‘The Third Lebanon War has started’ – Channel 12 Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:41 utc | 4 I see Nasrallah is giving speeches in response to the pager attacks, so glad he was not hurt, condolences to the families of the dead and all who were injured. Thoughts and prayers for them and their families. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 5 There has been more seething and raging around here than usual from the anti-semites…I love it when Israel wins!!! Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:45 utc | 7 @Bernhard Posted by: Macpott | Sep 19 2024 14:56 utc | 9 @Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 14:55 utc | 8 Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 14:59 utc | 10 Israel wins? Posted by: Polli | Sep 19 2024 15:00 utc | 11 5‘“Honest question, what restraint does one show after such an attack…..with so many here praising restraint as a form of strength….” Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 19 2024 15:07 utc | 12 https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/ Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 15:19 utc | 13 Moses22 | Sep 19 2024 15:07 utc | 12 Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 15:21 utc | 14 Will Israel use nukes? Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 15:23 utc | 15 Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6 Posted by: Inka | Sep 19 2024 15:26 utc | 16 “There has been more seething and raging around here than usual from the anti-semites…I love it when Israel wins!!!” “Will Israel use nukes?”
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 19 Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah: Posted by: Inka | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 20 MoA: “Israel’s Pager Attack – A Sophisticated One-Times Shot With Little Effect” Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 15:31 utc | 21 Moses22…. they will blow up your house and eat your children, and you favour more restraint deferring to more time. A difference of opinion, fair enough. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 22 Ruby-Con@1531 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 23 The lesson is that nothing coming out of Israel can be trusted. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 24 Inka Stinka@1530 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:45 utc | 25 librul@1523 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:51 utc | 26 @Rubiconned 21 Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 15:58 utc | 27 Re: Video of Merkavas massing Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 28 @ Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 23 Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 29 @ Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 15:58 utc | 27 Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:08 utc | 30 Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6
Blowback be a baetch. Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 19 2024 16:10 utc | 31 *There are a whole host of civilians working for them that had these pagers. And most of them are not in their army. Posted by: Mary | Sep 19 2024 16:12 utc | 32 Honest question, what restraint does one show after such an attack…..with so many here praising restraint as a form of strength…. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 16:13 utc | 33 Interesting Times. Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:16 utc | 34 michaelj72@1519 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:18 utc | 35 Yesterday 232 too scents Posted by: paxmark1 | Sep 19 2024 16:18 utc | 36 Are you ready Jesus? (uh huh) Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 19 2024 16:20 utc | 37 Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 29 Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 16:23 utc | 38 ByeByePissant@1443 Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:23 utc | 39 Hezbollah might offer a symbolic response to the attack but they will not do anything that fundamentally changes their own rules of engagement. As long as they can prevent settlers from returning, they are winning. Israel can’t return settlers without either invading Lebanon (which they can’t do and will fail at) or ceasing war in Gaza (which Netanyahu can’t do because of his own interests). And yet there is growing demands among Israelis that both settlers and hostages be returned. There have already been skirmishes and protests as a result of this dynamic, and the tension will only grow over time. Eventually Israel will be threatened with civil war no matter what they do: the hard right will refuse any cessation of the Gaza genocide, while the liberals will push more and more for settlers and hostages to be returned. All Hezbollah has to do is what they are doing. Israel will end as an apartheid entity only when torn apart by its own internal contradictions, and we are closer to that happening now than at any time since its founding. The key for both Hezbollah and Iran is to exercise sufficient restraint to prevent the U.S. from getting involved directly. This, of course, is exactly Israel’s aim: it is their only, desperate “out” from the situation they’ve created for themselves. So I believe that neither Iran nor Hezbollah will respond to the latest attacks in any way which could justify Israel calling upon the U.S. to directly intervene. They are winning the long game, and the Israelis know it. Posted by: WJ | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 40 Lets see what Hezbollah does next – no doubt the Zionists will be on high-alert – though a few well placed hyper-sonic missiles, might wipe the snigger of their faces. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 19 2024 16:36 utc | 41 @ ‘Our command structure and operational readiness has not been affected’ Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:39 utc | 42 I could be way off here, but if one presumes Hzb has ±100,000 fighters and it was primarily lieutenants and not soldiers operating these ill fated ‘secure’ pagers, on a 5-1 officer to soldier ratio, we could be talking potentially up to 1/4 of its officers were affected and/or maimed by this operation. Posted by: drsmith | Sep 19 2024 16:44 utc | 43 Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 24
Not just survival. Consequent to the Sept. 18, 2024 UN vote supported by representatives of 85% of the world, “Boycotting everything Israeli” took on legal implications.
This is going to cause some sticky wickets. Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 19 2024 16:45 utc | 44 @ Sean 5 Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 45
Excuse me while I go ahead and blow up your devices. I’m sure the ‘bystanders’ as you so blithely put it will be happy to have been murdered in a ‘non terrorist’ attack. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:50 utc | 46 WJ | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 40 Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 16:51 utc | 47
Fixed this for you. And the blowback from this terrorist attack will play out over decades, much to the detriment of the West, who have prostituted their honor, such as it was, to a nation of religious fanatics bent on extermination of a people inconveniently located on land the murderers covet. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:56 utc | 48 Exile | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 28 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 19 2024 17:02 utc | 49 The early edition of DW News we get in Oz included an interview with a DW correspondent in Beirut. Apparently the jews have been flying low-altitude supersonic sorties over Beirut. There was no mention of Hezbollah shooting at the JAF aircraft. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 19 2024 17:03 utc | 50 All the hezb fighters in the South Front are praying now for the IDF come to them soon, they are now the more determined, the more motivated, the more ready to fight group of fighters in the whole World, as you will be if you are waiting to crush henious child-murdering people, cowards sending bombs indiscriminately on civilians that intent to wound and kill your brothers, sisters, sons, wifes, mothers… Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 17:05 utc | 51 @ Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 17:05 utc | 52 …. just now having their tanks, still on trucks, being hauled to the border.….. Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 17:05 utc | 53 Inka | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 20 Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 17:06 utc | 54 neither are in any way military spec equipment, but civilian. Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 17:07 utc | 55 There has been more seething and raging around here than usual from the anti-semites…I love it when Israel wins!!! Posted by: JAB | Sep 19 2024 17:09 utc | 56 Does anyone have a source for full English text of Nasrallah’s speech? Posted by: bolangi | Sep 19 2024 17:12 utc | 57 Here is a truly excellent discussion of the Pager event and other related issues; Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 17:22 utc | 58 Netanyahu yesterday : “We will return the Residents of the North safely to their Homes” Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 17:25 utc | 59 The lesson is that nothing coming out of Israel can be trusted. Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 17:29 utc | 60 librul 15 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 19 2024 17:29 utc | 61 Lev Davidovich@33….troll? Plastic garden Gnome, fuck, you can’t even follow along…..see Doctor Eleven about your TDS, he might be able to prescribe something for that. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 17:31 utc | 62 Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 14:41 utc | 3 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:31 utc | 63 Does the UN resolution saying that Israel has 12 months to vacate prevent Axis of Resistance from taking military action within that time scale … or has sufficient taken place ie terrorist attacks by Israel that Axis of Resistance has a valid option even morally to take action? Does ICJ and ICC rulings so far not prevent action by the Axis? Posted by: Jo | Sep 19 2024 17:35 utc | 64 No offence ment Doc btw, I needed a doctor and you were closest. You are licenced? Just the troll OCD of the ATT is getting tiresome, to the point of being childish. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 17:38 utc | 65 b. one of your ex contributors named Richard Stevens Huck has a substack. Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66 From Tel Aviv…. Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 67 @Rubiconned 30 Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 17:47 utc | 68 Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:49 utc | 69 How is it psychologically possible that the sophisticated Europe see no terrorism in the recent Putin’s act? Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:54 utc | 70 Hezbollah is basically saying “Come on in the water is just fine” to the IDF. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 17:55 utc | 71 Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 17:47 utc | 68 Posted by: notconned | Sep 19 2024 17:58 utc | 72 Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66 Posted by: Ed | Sep 19 2024 18:01 utc | 73 You can bet your bippy that some of the $85 B in American ordinance left behind in Kabul will be showing up very soon in South Lebanon. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 74 Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 19 2024 17:03 utc | 50– Jane @ 58.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 18:09 utc | 76 Its amazing how little blow back there has been in the western MSM about the massive civilian casualties in Lebanon, especially among school children and medical professionals. Thousands dead or maimed for life and yet the MSM basically ignores the story…..even the left wing press like the Guardian (the great defender of Ukrainian fascists) refused to deal with the civilian deaths and injuries. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 18:11 utc | 77 “Are you a diagnosed psychopath?” Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2024 18:12 utc | 78 How is it psychologically possible that the sophisticated Europe see no terrorism in the recent Putin’s act? Posted by: Ed | Sep 19 2024 18:13 utc | 79 “I’m hoping that Hezbollah have created the (false) impression that they lack A-A weaponry, but are planning a Septemer Surprise for the Jewish Air Force. Without its Air Force, Jewrael is toast.” Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2024 18:17 utc | 80 Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66 Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 18:18 utc | 81 Posted by: Ed | Sep 19 2024 18:01 utc | 73 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 18:19 utc | 82 Just announced, President Macron to visit Sept 25-26. They’re going to talk about Ukraine, apparently, Russian aggression. And about the upcoming summit of the Francophonie. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 19 2024 18:30 utc | 83 I was impressed by his message today. Older more senior folk have the oldest technology, that undoubtedly saved their organization from more severe consequences. I heard Windows NT mentioned! Good job guys good job, usa still use NT & OS/2 on our end for the same reasons. I’d think they could likely move up to pentium-4 hardware and use an older but secure OS like freeBSD 4.2 something but I’m sure they have more to do than “upgrade” systems that already function as needed. “upgrades” in this aspect (really 99%, most any aspect) aren’t really upgrades in that they increase capability nor performance. All our satcomm stations are functioning fine without windows and microsoft being out of the picture since 1994. Posted by: NJH | Sep 19 2024 18:30 utc | 84 Macron to visit Canada. Oops. ( my post above) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 19 2024 18:32 utc | 85 Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 74 Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2024 18:33 utc | 86 A buddy of mine just bought a little“dingbat” apartment building in the poor part of Beverly Hills. His investment thesis ? Rents are bound to skyrocket when all the ex-Israelis arrive. Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 18:33 utc | 87 The British FO calls on their nationals to leave the Lebanon as soon as possible while commercial options remain. Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 18:36 utc | 88 From live feed: Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 18:47 utc | 89 I recommend to sell the stocks of Intel, everybody knows where is allocated one of the main factories of Intel, they have put the factory in the wrong place…. Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 18:48 utc | 90 The British FO calls on their nationals to leave the Lebanon as soon as possible while commercial options remain. Posted by: laguerre | Sep 19 2024 19:03 utc | 91 Israel along with its terrorist sponsors in the West are on a sharp decline. Time is on the side of the Axis of Resistance. That’s why there is such desperation to start a war, even if it leads to WWIII and a nuclear exchange. Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Sep 19 2024 19:15 utc | 92 karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 75 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 19 2024 19:15 utc | 93 The stakes are very very high for Netanyahu, all the sionists have heard very clearly the promise he made yesterday = “We will return the Residents of the North safely to their Homes”, if he does not fulfil his promise he will be in serious troubles from their party and their political allies (right wing mad dogs), and the jail is waiting for him when he step-down. Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 19:25 utc | 94 Vanessa Beeley makes the assumption that Russia did not see this wider Lebanon-Israel war coming. But, consider the possibility that the Russian armaments, defense and communication systems shipped to Iran in anticipation of Israel/US predations on that country, were also intended in some part of Hezbollah and possibly for Hamas et al in Gaza. Expertise, intelligence and equipment are moved around the Axis of Resistance in ways not readily observable to western intelligence sources. Suspicions are raised regarding exactly how well equipped all of the non state actors slicing (as in 1,000+ cuts) at Israel are, and in case of predicted escalations what is their defined role. Difficult to believe that high level coordination is not in place and that all of these actors are more than ready for the escalation. Most certainly Shoigu is not going to appear in downtown Beirut! Posted by: abierno | Sep 19 2024 19:40 utc | 95 @63 zanon Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 19:40 utc | 96 94 Dave Posted by: NJH | Sep 19 2024 19:41 utc | 97 In case some of the readers here have missed the info I posted in the earlier thread, I repost it here. Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 19:44 utc | 98 In this video, an eagle-eyed netizen mentioned the pagers were imported in mid-April 2024, which corresponds to what Taiwanese Ministry of Economy initially said that these pagers were exported in “early this year”. Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 19:45 utc | 99 When has bibi ever followed through with his statements? Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 19:57 utc | 100 |
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