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September 19, 2024
Palestine Open Thread 2024-224

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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IMO, Israel is about to invade “into a kill zone trap.” …and their Zio leaders don’t mind.

Posted by: ERing46Z | Sep 19 2024 14:35 utc | 1

Nasrallah speaks now, “Israel” launches strikes on Lebanon to coincide with.
Via Youssef Fares
“Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah:
– I extend my thanks to the government and the medical department in Lebanon for their serious dealings and to everyone who donated blood in various Lebanese regions
. – I address everyone who took the initiative to transport a wounded person and announced their readiness to donate organs from their bodies to the wounded
. – I extend my thanks to our good people and our dear people from all regions and the political and union leaderships who showed solidarity with us.
– One of the blessings of what happened is what we witnessed of a great humanitarian and moral epic, unprecedented on the national and humanitarian levels.
– The “Israeli” enemy targeted thousands of pagers and crossed all laws, regulations and red lines
– Some of the bombings targeted hospitals, pharmacies, markets, shops, homes and cars where many women and children were present”
Continued at:
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Addendum:
Journalist Youssef Fares
“Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah:
This criminal act is a major terrorist operation, an act of genocide and massacre, and amounts to a declaration of war.”

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 14:36 utc | 2

BREAKING: ‘The Third Lebanon War has started’ – Channel 12
Middle_East_Spectator

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:41 utc | 4

I see Nasrallah is giving speeches in response to the pager attacks, so glad he was not hurt, condolences to the families of the dead and all who were injured. Thoughts and prayers for them and their families.
Honest question, what restraint does one show after such an attack…..with so many here praising restraint as a form of strength….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 5

There has been more seething and raging around here than usual from the anti-semites…I love it when Israel wins!!!

Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6

No matter how strong or unprecedented the strike is, the enemy will never force us to the ground, our resistance will only become more determined.
Since the 7th of October until today, almost an entire year, we have supported the Palestinian front.
If we stop our operations now, which the enemy insists upon, then everything we did in the past year would go to waste – they will never be able to seperate the Lebanese front from the Palestinian front – this is our religious and humanitarian duty.
We say to the enemy, and to Gallant who was about to be fired; we will NEVER stop our war against Israel until they stop the war on Gaza.
I repeat again, no matter what circumstances, no matter what sacrifices, we will never give up our duty.
–Nasrallah

Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 19 2024 14:45 utc | 7

TODAY IS
199

Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 14:55 utc | 8

@Bernhard
you can change the Thread to Middle Eastern War…

Posted by: Macpott | Sep 19 2024 14:56 utc | 9

@Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 14:55 utc | 8
There are 11 months and 11 days *separating* October 7, 2023 and today, the start of The Big One.

Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 14:59 utc | 10

Israel wins?
A trap they have been setting up for years (?), supposed to be used at the initiation of a ground action, prematurely ejaculated due to security concerns (Hezbollah cottoned on) or political reasons (keep Bibi out of gaol) for limited/no military value.
The sirens are ringing in Nahariya, the kids were kept home from school, the residents of the north live in hotels.
How is this a win?

Posted by: Polli | Sep 19 2024 15:00 utc | 11

5‘“Honest question, what restraint does one show after such an attack…..with so many here praising restraint as a form of strength….”
Israel along with its terrorist sponsors in the West are on a sharp decline. Time is on the side of the Axis of Resistance. That’s why there is such desperation to start a war, even if it leads to WWIII and a nuclear exchange.
Imagine where the U.S. UK, and Germany will be in five to ten years compared to China, Russia and Iran…
Hezbullah should go to war when it is ready and the timing is right for them, and not when Israel wants it. Besides, how long can the US Navy Kathy deployed in the Middle East?

Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 19 2024 15:07 utc | 12

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/9640
Nasrallah: ‘This act was a terrorist act, a massacre – this is another massacre added to the list of this despicable enemy and cancerous tumor’….
‘We say to the enemy, and to Gallant who was about to be fired; we will NEVER stop our war against Israel until they stop the war on Gaza’
‘The enemy wanted to create division between Hezbollah and the Lebanese people and government, but the opposite happened’
‘Our command structure and operational readiness has not been affected’
‘Only the days will reveal what Israel’s real plan is, whether they simply will increase their attacks, or go to war, or even go to an all-our war’
‘This stupid, idiotic IDF Commander of the North wants to enter Lebanon to create a ‘security zone’ in the South – In fact, we HOPE Israel enters Lebanon, we are waiting for their tanks day and night, we say “welcome!”
‘The Israeli attack was secretive and unexpected; let me today say that ours will be in a similar nature, I won’t mention a time, a place or a manner – you won’t hear the response, you will SEE it’
‘Smotrich, Netanyahu and Gallant are leading their entity into a destructive abyss, and into a third historic humiliation’
end of speech

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 19 2024 15:19 utc | 13

Moses22 | Sep 19 2024 15:07 utc | 12
It is not the boxer that throws the most punches that wins, it is the one that throws the right ones.
Rope a Dope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCOvjkbEn3c

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 15:21 utc | 14

Will Israel use nukes?
If Israel is going full throttle against Hezbollah
how quickly will the psychopathic entity’s major offensive
expand to include Syria, Yemen and Iran?
Russian Doctrine:
“nuclear deterrence is aimed to provide comprehension by a potential adversary of the inevitability of retaliation in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation and/or its allies.”
Has Russia made it clear to the psychopaths that they are to never use nukes?

Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 15:23 utc | 15

Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6
That’s an awful thing to write.
———————————————————–
Regarding the explosions: I do appreciate the risk of innocent bystanders getting hurt or killed from the booms, and I regret any such deaths and injuries that have happened, particularly the two children. But, compare these results to the mass bombings of Gaza, with thousands of civilian deaths. If this was the only way Israel fought, I would very much prefer it this way.

Posted by: Inka | Sep 19 2024 15:26 utc | 16

“There has been more seething and raging around here than usual from the anti-semites…I love it when Israel wins!!!”
Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6
Piss off, troll

Posted by: canuck | Sep 19 2024 15:28 utc | 17

“Will Israel use nukes?”
Posted by: librul | Sep 19 2024 15:23 utc | 15
If they start losing badly they will use the Samson Option, no doubt-though I think the Russians have their finger on that pulse.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 18

Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah says pager and walkie-talkie explosions by Israel on Tuesday and Wednesday which killed 37 people and wounded nearly 3,000 in Lebanon were a declaration of war.

https://t.me/presstv/110371

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 19

Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah:
This criminal act is a major terrorist operation, an act of genocide and massacre, and amounts to a declaration of war.”

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read. We’ve seen what massacres look like in Gaza. Even with the bystanders, these booby traps blowing up fighters who deserve it (They would not have these pagers/walkie-talkies otherwise.) is nothing like a genocide or even a terrorist act.

Posted by: Inka | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 20

MoA: “Israel’s Pager Attack – A Sophisticated One-Times Shot With Little Effect”
Nasrallah: “Hezbollah received ‘severe blow’ but will be stronger”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/live/gaza-israel-war-palestine-west-bank-lebanon-strike-updates
For those with a strong stomach and/or lacking imagination, here is a snippet of what a dozen Hzb members in hospital with injuries ranging from blown hands, eyes and anything around the midsection looks like:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eLRdLWctQ03F – !!! STRONG WARNING
now multiply that by 3-4,000 and see what Hzb would have to do to even start to restore its operations, let alone catch up in order to retaliate and restore deterrence along their now wishful eye-for-an-eye doctrine.
I could be way off here, but if one presumes Hzb has ±100,000 fighters and it was primarily lieutenants and not soldiers operating these ill fated ‘secure’ pagers, on a 5-1 officer to soldier ratio, we could be talking potentially up to 1/4 of its officers were affected and/or maimed by this operation.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 15:31 utc | 21

Moses22…. they will blow up your house and eat your children, and you favour more restraint deferring to more time. A difference of opinion, fair enough.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 15:40 utc | 22

Ruby-Con@1531
Your hopes for a degraded Hezbollah will soon be dashed.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 23

The lesson is that nothing coming out of Israel can be trusted.
It is no big leap from exploding electronics to poisoned food and drink, both are indiscriminate mass casualty attacks.
Boycotting everything Israeli is now a matter of survival.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 24

Inka Stinka@1530
Betcha you are still butt-hurt about that missile strike which took out much of the major command structure within Unit 8200. Thus, the $hekels are still enhancing your account balance and you dutifully soldier on.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:45 utc | 25

librul@1523
Primitive peoples have this thing about never eating of the flesh of their Totem Animals. Perhaps that’s why the IZZIES are so sullenly pig-headed.
However, there are numerous “refugees” from Russia living in that doomed state… perhaps they will convince their fellow “Chosenites” that when Mama Bear growls thunderously…they better well cover their bungholes.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:51 utc | 26

@Rubiconned 21
That is a lot of assumptions. When you hear Hezbollah you automatically assume soldiers and military. There are a whole host of civilians working for them that had these pagers. And most of them are not in their army.

Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 15:58 utc | 27

Re: Video of Merkavas massing
Betcha the Lebanese Ground Forces are thinking what juicy targets, if only they weren’t 50km from the border.
BTW – in the first few weeks after 2.Oct; the Lebanese destroyed 40+ Merkavas. The IDF wisely pulled their MBTs far south. Since then any Merkava within 10km or so of Lebanese military gets quickly dispatched.
Recall the Merkava tally of “destroyed” is 211 with roughly 600 additional damaged.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 28

@ Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 23
Hopes??? since when does accurately reporting facts indicate one’s hopes? I simply quoted Nasrallah’s words that run counter to the analysis being put on this here blog and briefly speculated on the why. what is your insightful analysis beyond wishful thinking?
Can’t say that is exactly what ones ‘hopes’ for, but at the very least one can expect all future concentrations of IDF officers (graduations etc) will be fair game and high value targets and since Houthis have now used hypersonic missiles, one can presume that is what Hzb will be aiming to use any they have now or will have in future. That would seem only a fair place to start, at a minimum..

Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 29

@ Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 15:58 utc | 27
Sure, but what would be the point of going through the trouble of sourcing secure comms, presumably in limited supply, to then waste them on members whose roles are either insignificant or not sensitive enough to require that level of OpSec? Just thinking logically here.
Many of Hzb members are part timers too, so being a civilian as you say, and a high ranking intel, reserve or undercover officer for example, are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:08 utc | 30

Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6

There has been more seething and raging around here than usual from the anti-semites…I love it when Israel wins!!!

Blowback be a baetch.
Difficult to impossible to assess how Israel’s latest adolescent stunt influenced United Nations voters around the world, but as Ben Norton discusses in this 18 min video, more than 60% of the “rest of the world” voted WITH the declaration that Israel MUST cease settlement activity immediately; MUST evacuate settlement on Palestinian lands within 12 months; MUST return immovable as well as other properties to Palestinians; MUST make reparations . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK9dmK8p0n0
Well #6 @14:43 UTC, I raise my glass, and hope other barflies join me, in wishing Israel many more such “wins.”
Salut!

Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 19 2024 16:10 utc | 31

*There are a whole host of civilians working for them that had these pagers. And most of them are not in their army.
Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 15:58 utc | 27″
Yup. A lot of medical providers used those pagers.

Posted by: Mary | Sep 19 2024 16:12 utc | 32

Honest question, what restraint does one show after such an attack…..with so many here praising restraint as a form of strength….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 5
The greatest restraint here is not responding to trolls and their ‘honest questions’.
***************
All strength to the oppressed, who given no other option by their oppressors have to rise up and use force to free themselves.
Are you ready Jesus? (uh huh)
Buddha? (yeah)
Mohammed? (okay)
Well alright fellas, let’s go!

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 16:13 utc | 33

Interesting Times.
The undertaker is back in Paris and briefing his frog colleagues.
Micron is gone too far not only in this war but also against the Russian Federation. Big mistake!

Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 16:16 utc | 34

michaelj72@1519
Little wonder that Nasrallah is double-daring the Izzies to mount an attack on South Lebanon. Unlike most of Occupied Palestine, most of Lebanon is hilly, mountainous and fairly well forested. Utterly horrible tank and general armored country. The resistance in Gaza has already destroyed or degraded more than a third of the Izzy’s touted Merkaba tanks. Thus, their role will mainly be to fire from stand-off positions as mobile artillery units.
Possibly yet another nasty surprise for the Izzy Airforce may be the appearances of A.A. missilry which may well be carefully sequestered for serious situations. If Hezbollah does indeed possess more than man-pads (effective against helicopters) then the primary arm of the IOF may be sufficiently compromised that their American fighter jets will be limited of off-coast stand-off missilry employments.
The Izzy ground-pounders may become as naked as the proverbial jay-birds and will soon be messing their “depends” , much as they did in ’06 when they previously tried to make a drive up to the Litany River.
Those exploding devices will have the net effect of uniting the vast majority of the Lebanese people, even in #1 civilian target, Beirut. Hopefully, the civil defense folks will be handing out large numbers of picks and spades. Apartment towers would be death-traps. Evacs essential.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:18 utc | 35

Yesterday 232 too scents
Thank you, thank you very much. No, I did not know about the cell phones carriers modem OS acting as a hypervisor. Wow, that is a whole other method of nefarious back doors to breach breach the flimsy sheet rock termite infested house that is our cell phones and the corporate carriers.
And yeah, thanks for the heads up by others on who owns what VPN.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Sep 19 2024 16:18 utc | 36

Are you ready Jesus? (uh huh)
Buddha? (yeah)
Mohammed? (okay)
Well alright fellas, let’s go!
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Sep 19 2024 16:13 utc | 33
I see no representative of that other major world religion in your list …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 19 2024 16:20 utc | 37

Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 29
Middle East Spectator

🇱🇧 Nasrallah: ‘Our command structure and operational readiness has not been affected’
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/
Skipped that part?

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 16:23 utc | 38

ByeByePissant@1443
Question is…will you “love it” when those hapless Izzy ground-pounders dreet their “Depends” when one of their buddies gets a round right between his eyes.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 16:23 utc | 39

Hezbollah might offer a symbolic response to the attack but they will not do anything that fundamentally changes their own rules of engagement. As long as they can prevent settlers from returning, they are winning. Israel can’t return settlers without either invading Lebanon (which they can’t do and will fail at) or ceasing war in Gaza (which Netanyahu can’t do because of his own interests). And yet there is growing demands among Israelis that both settlers and hostages be returned. There have already been skirmishes and protests as a result of this dynamic, and the tension will only grow over time. Eventually Israel will be threatened with civil war no matter what they do: the hard right will refuse any cessation of the Gaza genocide, while the liberals will push more and more for settlers and hostages to be returned. All Hezbollah has to do is what they are doing. Israel will end as an apartheid entity only when torn apart by its own internal contradictions, and we are closer to that happening now than at any time since its founding. The key for both Hezbollah and Iran is to exercise sufficient restraint to prevent the U.S. from getting involved directly. This, of course, is exactly Israel’s aim: it is their only, desperate “out” from the situation they’ve created for themselves. So I believe that neither Iran nor Hezbollah will respond to the latest attacks in any way which could justify Israel calling upon the U.S. to directly intervene. They are winning the long game, and the Israelis know it.

Posted by: WJ | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 40

Lets see what Hezbollah does next – no doubt the Zionists will be on high-alert – though a few well placed hyper-sonic missiles, might wipe the snigger of their faces.
“Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah says pager and walkie-talkie explosions by Israel on Tuesday and Wednesday which killed 37 people and wounded nearly 3,000 in Lebanon are a declaration of war.
“The enemy has crossed all red lines and all laws in this attack. This is a massive terrorist attack.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 19 2024 16:36 utc | 41

@ ‘Our command structure and operational readiness has not been affected’
Skipped that part?
Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 16:23 utc | 38
Of course not, but realistically, with the IDF having just moved a division of paratroopers up to the northern border and its jets already buzzing over Beirut, was he realistically ever going to say anything else?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 16:39 utc | 42

I could be way off here, but if one presumes Hzb has ±100,000 fighters and it was primarily lieutenants and not soldiers operating these ill fated ‘secure’ pagers, on a 5-1 officer to soldier ratio, we could be talking potentially up to 1/4 of its officers were affected and/or maimed by this operation.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 15:31 utc | 21
This point is not relevant. By all indications and by many military analyst, Hzb has a well trained, well run military organization – which means “sergeants” , ‘corporals’ are trained to take over for a junior officer. Most officers can take over for others.
Will it hurt in the short run? Of course. On the intermediate ( 3 to 4 weeks) to long run? Not a chance. They will be ready to react to defend themselves ( which is the default fall back plan when faced with an unexpected attack), then regroup and be ready to go on the offensive when asked.
This will also increase (likely) already high levels of people to join and sign up to the military and social services orgs of hzb. Of course they will continue to lose people; but they have more to lose because it’s just not them, it is the Palastieians, Yemeni , Iran, plus supporters from all over the Mideast. Israel is literally surrounded in three sides.
Israel hadn’t caught on yet, and like Ukraine, even if they have they can’t do anything about it. The issue is that modern high tech armies cannot win a war of attrition. Hzb has more people to draw from, the have more guns, rockets, and bullets – wars of attrition are not won with tanks or fighter plans. I’m sure the Israeli military is really freaking out about trying to fight three front war of attrition, but politicians have taken over and leading them right into a trap,

Posted by: drsmith | Sep 19 2024 16:44 utc | 43

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 24

Boycotting everything Israeli is now a matter of survival.

Not just survival. Consequent to the Sept. 18, 2024 UN vote supported by representatives of 85% of the world, “Boycotting everything Israeli” took on legal implications.
Included in the approved Resolution:

“All States are under an obligation not to recognize as legal the situation arising from the unlawful presence of the state of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by the continuous presence of the State of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.”

This is going to cause some sticky wickets.
I’m not a lawyer but I think I understand that the Law cannot be called upon to enforce a contract that is illegal.
So if someone purchased one of those plots of land in Gaza that, I’ve learned, are being sold in synagogues in USA and elsewhere, can their contract be enforced?
In a conversation with Lex Fridman, Jared Kushner waxed eloquent about the commercial development that could/would take place on Gaza beachfront.
What legal enforcement mechanisms will come into play to turn that scheme into a reality?
Will investors in resource exploitation in Golan Heights be required to surrender their investments?
This is how Israel ends: not with Pagers that go Bang but with the Whimper of legal nullification.

Posted by: ChasMark | Sep 19 2024 16:45 utc | 44

@ Sean 5
https://listudy.org/en/play-stockfish
Go right ahead, you have all the pieces you need there… and an answer to your question.
Real world is slightly more complex, the person you are playing might not only wipe the board off the table if he/she loses, but your whole country.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 16:48 utc | 45

Even with the bystanders, these booby traps blowing up fighters who deserve it (They would not have these pagers/walkie-talkies otherwise.) is nothing like a genocide or even a terrorist act.
Posted by: Inka | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 20

Excuse me while I go ahead and blow up your devices. I’m sure the ‘bystanders’ as you so blithely put it will be happy to have been murdered in a ‘non terrorist’ attack.
Blowing up objects randomly strewn throughout a civilian population is just normal military tactics for the world’s largest army of war criminals and cowards.
Are you a diagnosed psychopath?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:50 utc | 46

WJ | Sep 19 2024 16:31 utc | 40
With the hit on 8200 they might have already nailed the people behind it, and that is why instead of having the invasion ready they are just now having their tanks, still on trucks, being hauled to the border. It appears the targets are coming to them, not coordinated with their terrorist attack.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 16:51 utc | 47

The lesson is that nothing coming out of the West can be trusted

Fixed this for you. And the blowback from this terrorist attack will play out over decades, much to the detriment of the West, who have prostituted their honor, such as it was, to a nation of religious fanatics bent on extermination of a people inconveniently located on land the murderers covet.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:56 utc | 48

Exile | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 28
Lebanese Ground Forces? Please do tell, what on earth are you talking about?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 19 2024 17:02 utc | 49

The early edition of DW News we get in Oz included an interview with a DW correspondent in Beirut. Apparently the jews have been flying low-altitude supersonic sorties over Beirut. There was no mention of Hezbollah shooting at the JAF aircraft.
Supersonic flights over a city tend to break a lot of windows.
I’m hoping that Hezbollah have created the (false) impression that they lack A-A weaponry, but are planning a Septemer Surprise for the Jewish Air Force. Without its Air Force, Jewrael is toast.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 19 2024 17:03 utc | 50

All the hezb fighters in the South Front are praying now for the IDF come to them soon, they are now the more determined, the more motivated, the more ready to fight group of fighters in the whole World, as you will be if you are waiting to crush henious child-murdering people, cowards sending bombs indiscriminately on civilians that intent to wound and kill your brothers, sisters, sons, wifes, mothers…
The hezb fighters and civilians are living in a faith, they now they will suffer many many blows and defeats, they now, as the vietnamese, they are fighting the more powerful war machine that has existed in the world (the US military weapons and systems), but, as the vietnamese or Hamas, they don’t count the defeats or the losses, they rise up again, clean the sand from their clothes and start to fight again; especially if you are born in a faith around martyrdom.
The Israeli population is a western-minded society, fully entitled to have all they want, not ready to accept mass casualties, defeats, living under continous threats of been wounded or killed, and at the same time entitled to kill as many arabs, especially Palestinians, as they want as “untermensch” they thing they are.
In the longterm is clear who will survive the struggle as always has happened.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 17:05 utc | 51

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Posted by: drsmith | Sep 19 2024 16:44 utc | 43
I don’t necessarily disagree w anything you said actually.
I just wish people stopped saying ‘we are winning’ when the score board clearly says 1-0 against them today, only because they believe they have great goal keepers or something. You still gotta score at least 2 goals first. And just as the past 48 hours have shown, there are a lot of unpredictable events yet to play out.
I could also mention that so far, a long term war of attrition against NATO/Isr has not left anyone much of a country to gloat about winning for, though that could finally begin to be more of a two-sided equation for the first time now, perhaps. We shall have to see.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 19 2024 17:05 utc | 52

…. just now having their tanks, still on trucks, being hauled to the border.…..
Note – the IDF needs to stage its invasion forces at least 50km south of the Lebanese border. For the last 11 months, the Lebanese have created a clear zone 30-50km south of the border.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 17:05 utc | 53

Inka | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 20
What evidence is there that these devices were special ordered by Hezbollah? The only customer order configurable thing listed is language.
There is not some super special encryption offered, that is often claimed alongside Hezbollah special order. Not an option in the specs.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240917160627/https://apollosystemshk.com/product/42.html
Results seem to indicate they were going to Lebanon so they were setup as bombs to indiscriminately kill, with a followup of radios like would be used by emergency services in coordinating an event like large funerals.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 17:06 utc | 54

neither are in any way military spec equipment, but civilian.

Posted by: Rhymerez | Sep 19 2024 17:07 utc | 55

There has been more seething and raging around here than usual from the anti-semites…I love it when Israel wins!!!
Posted by: Bye Bye Palestine! | Sep 19 2024 14:43 utc | 6
Time will tell. But let’s suppose “Israel wins,” completes its genocide, etc.
Why then it will be the most hated nation on earth…and a big fat target.

Posted by: JAB | Sep 19 2024 17:09 utc | 56

Does anyone have a source for full English text of Nasrallah’s speech?

Posted by: bolangi | Sep 19 2024 17:12 utc | 57

Here is a truly excellent discussion of the Pager event and other related issues;
“The Lebanon Pager blasts – Forum for Democracy International
With Peter Lavelle, John Laughland, Jeremy Nell, Kevork Almassian and Vanessa Beeley”
The URL is rather long but I think you can find the webpage from the title.
Of particular value IMO is the discussion of the issue of timing and character of retaliation for Israel’s provocations and terrorist attacks. “Use or lose it” and “we can’t wait for Israel to implode on its own” vs. “Don’t get triggered” and “Keep to own time line, not your adversary’s.”
Kevork Almassian and Vanessa Beeley both have indispensable perspectives.
I haven’t read whole new thread, so apologies if someone has already mentioned this.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 17:22 utc | 58

Netanyahu yesterday : “We will return the Residents of the North safely to their Homes”
They will NEVER “return the “Residents” of the North safely to their Homes” by murdering Palestinians or Lebanese people, au contraire, there will be a mass displacement of hundreds of thousands of “Residents” from Israel to other western countries, mainly USA, if this aggression continues.
The lies and hubris of Netanyahu are unprecedented, and the problem the “Residents” (evil) believe in them.
The blowback will be huge

Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 17:25 utc | 59

The lesson is that nothing coming out of Israel can be trusted.
It is no big leap from exploding electronics to poisoned food and drink, both are indiscriminate mass casualty attacks.
Boycotting everything Israeli is now a matter of survival.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 19 2024 15:43 utc | 24
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Including polio “vaccines.”

Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 17:29 utc | 60

librul 15
The West uses the threat of ” terror “, meaning civilisational breakdown using highly trained and also drugged proxies.
It also has nukes. Weaklings fear nukes because they love life too much.
Israel has no proxies in this war, except the depleted resources of Uncle Sam. Russia has many proxies in this war , but cannot enter it directly.
Israel’s toy box is empty. Or, as Smotrich once said, ” We desperately need to get some legitimacy for this war”.
If you don’t have legitimacy for genocide, how can you get legitimacy for a nuclear attack on Beirut?
Yehudis fuctati sunt. Alas! Poor Yorick.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 19 2024 17:29 utc | 61

Lev Davidovich@33….troll? Plastic garden Gnome, fuck, you can’t even follow along…..see Doctor Eleven about your TDS, he might be able to prescribe something for that.
Cheers M
…what would Jesus do? Just another martyr among the many…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 17:31 utc | 62

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 14:41 utc | 3
CNN reporter caught one live, it was also dropping flares.
Seems like the IaF is worried about some MANPADS that “fell off the back of the truck” in Ukraine and made their way into Lebanon. Hence the anti-anti-aircraft measures.
I think Russia should provide some of those IRIS-T systems they captured in Kursk to Assad. It wouldn’t be a game-changer, but it would make the IAF think twice about their next bombing run into Syria.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:31 utc | 63

Does the UN resolution saying that Israel has 12 months to vacate prevent Axis of Resistance from taking military action within that time scale … or has sufficient taken place ie terrorist attacks by Israel that Axis of Resistance has a valid option even morally to take action? Does ICJ and ICC rulings so far not prevent action by the Axis?

Posted by: Jo | Sep 19 2024 17:35 utc | 64

No offence ment Doc btw, I needed a doctor and you were closest. You are licenced? Just the troll OCD of the ATT is getting tiresome, to the point of being childish.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 17:38 utc | 65

b. one of your ex contributors named Richard Stevens Huck has a substack.
He has published an excellent summary about coming ME, world war. See Brian Berletic, Which part to Persia
I appreciate your site, but the avalanche of uninformed idiots and the old aging imbeciles quarreling in between themselves seriously undermines you.
They divert every thread of any meaning because they are old stinking and impotent idiots.
Taking the message from Israel latest terrorist attack to a quarrel in between themselves- so selfish and boring.
This is my last message, as you have allowed old imbecileso with too much time on their gnarled fingers

Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66

From Tel Aviv….
[J]ackie the Sullivan, meets the families of Israeli hostages held in Gaza to discuss efforts to secure the release of the 101 ‘suspected’ remaining captives. Hard to believe they are all still alive.
This was Sullivan’s 13th in-person meeting with hostages’ families.

Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 67

@Rubiconned 30
What was the point? As usual just a chickenshit provocation. And Hezbollah will absorb this and manage the escalation. This is all done to provoke a big response to get US involved since they wont be able to go it alone.
If Israeli terrorists had a solid plan, they would have started ground invasion immediately after this attack when Hezbollah was in a bit of disarray. And they didn’t.
All they managed to do is to lose some more sympathy and allies, and hence the UN vote.
Now sit back and watch some more of Occupied Palestine infrastructure go up in flames. Hopefully with some settlers too.

Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 17:47 utc | 68

Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66
Agree; one possible solution would be for B to cap comments on any thread to 100, minus the obvious name-calling and pathetic trolls.
A comment holiday is another option. Naked Capitalism has had to resort to that, at times.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:49 utc | 69

How is it psychologically possible that the sophisticated Europe see no terrorism in the recent Putin’s act?

Posted by: vargas | Sep 19 2024 17:54 utc | 70

Hezbollah is basically saying “Come on in the water is just fine” to the IDF.
IDF armor and infantry already has taken about 2,000 KIA’s and 6,000 WIA’s since October 7th. Hamas continues to stage daily attacks on IDF armor and infantry with deadly regularity in Gaza.
Gaza and Hamas are no where near as capable as Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon. The area is a very mountainous, heavily fortified fire cauldron, not only armed with ballistic missiles but also over flowing with RF Kornet ATGM’s and Lancet drones. This will be a very different nut to crack for the IDF.
But just like Gaza the IDF solution will be to kill every single soldier and civilian they encounter and lay waste to their hospitals, aid stations, food warehouses, UN distribution centers, and most ominously UN peacekeeping troopers from Ireland and China. Israeli war insanity continues…..as Biden napes on the beach….
IDF blood lust is continuing……….but so far the Hezbollah leadership has not taken the bait, they are waiting and preparing for the IDF incursion…….and the water is fine !!

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 17:55 utc | 71

Posted by: Alpi | Sep 19 2024 17:47 utc | 68
#g.l.o.w.i.e?

Posted by: notconned | Sep 19 2024 17:58 utc | 72

Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66
Agree; one possible solution would be for B to cap comments on any thread to 100, minus the obvious name-calling and pathetic trolls.
A comment holiday is another option. Naked Capitalism has had to resort to that, at times.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:49 utc | 69
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Sure, let’s let the Trolls win. 1Cap comments to one hundred per thread, the trolls will eat 90% of that in an hour without saying anything outrageous or contributing to anything new.
I am not sure how a “comment holiday” works? But it sounds like NO comments.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 19 2024 18:01 utc | 73

You can bet your bippy that some of the $85 B in American ordinance left behind in Kabul will be showing up very soon in South Lebanon.
These items were marked for sale in Kabul and Pristina over the last many months, so we can assume that interested buyers have stocked up these weapons plus RF weapons for Hezbollah. Javelins, LAAR’s, heavy mg’s, mines, demo charges all were available at these arms bazaars……….
Soon the IDF will encountering this stuff on a daily basis…….stay tuned folks and get out the popcorn (served free at the b bar with a good stiff glass of Irish).

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 74

Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 19 2024 17:03 utc | 50–
I commented yesterday that Iran’s new radar setup provided by Russia would enable Hezbollah to be informed of any Zionist sorties so Hezbollah wouldn’t need to illuminate their AD radars, which is what the Zionists are trying to accomplish with their childish game. Hezbollah will reserve its AD capacity for use when the Zionists try to employ their AF in direct support of the ground operation when it might actually make a difference. Same with exposing their missile launch apertures within the mountains. I also expect Hezbollah to target the Zionist energy production infrastructure as part of their attrition drive. Hezbollah also has many remote ATGM & HMG firing positions and channelizing obstacles for funneling Zionist troops into kill zones.
Those and more are the reasons why Gallant didn’t want to attack Hezbollah.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 75

Jane @ 58.
Vanessa Beeley added this comment in the comment thread to the exceptional discussion referenced up-thread:

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vanessa beeley
2 hrs ago
Author
Lol I didn’t get the opportunity to make my full point as I was cut off. I don’t trust the Pezeshkian government. There’s currently a conflicted Iran imo and I am not saying there will be no retaliation. However Russia did intervene far too late in Syria considering their own vested interests in the country. They did not “save” Syria. The Syrian Arab Army did. With huge sacrifice. With support from allies who were there from the beginning and Russia in September 2015. My argument is, great Iran has a long term strategy but seeindg the endless bloodshed in Palestine and Lebanon, I wonder how many more people must be maimed and murdered before it is stopped. War is coming, regardless of how strategically Iran plays it. Russia learned that lesson the hard way, trusting Minsk agreement etc. War still came. If Israel wants war and clearly it does, a good false flag will suffice. Let’s see – today Syria is producing nuclear weapons and Iran is responsible for an attempted assassination of Netanyahu and chums. Sound familiar? We are in extraordinary times and need to think out of the historical, political box imo.”

Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 18:09 utc | 76

Its amazing how little blow back there has been in the western MSM about the massive civilian casualties in Lebanon, especially among school children and medical professionals. Thousands dead or maimed for life and yet the MSM basically ignores the story…..even the left wing press like the Guardian (the great defender of Ukrainian fascists) refused to deal with the civilian deaths and injuries.
American PBS was fairly balanced giving good coverage to the civilian toll, especially the school children.
But can you imagine the press outrage if cell phones and pagers had been exploding all over Tel Aviv in the every hospital and school……….every single news show would be wall to wall………..cowards all….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 18:11 utc | 77

“Are you a diagnosed psychopath?”
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 19 2024 16:50 utc | 46
Good question. If not, what’s the difference? I still think we need standardized evaluations to be used in statement and video analysis.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2024 18:12 utc | 78

How is it psychologically possible that the sophisticated Europe see no terrorism in the recent Putin’s act?
vargas @ 70
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If you want to see what real terrorism is like, go to the Palestinian thread and read about what Israelis and the US is doing to the Palestinian people. Then tell me if you psychologically support it.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 19 2024 18:13 utc | 79

“I’m hoping that Hezbollah have created the (false) impression that they lack A-A weaponry, but are planning a Septemer Surprise for the Jewish Air Force. Without its Air Force, Jewrael is toast.”
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 19 2024 17:03 utc | 50
I’m not a military expert. However it seems that 100 missiles (drones) per day would disabled the runways at any given base.
If they have effective ad in addition to this known strategy that would make a big difference. If they have it. If they don’t it just means different tactics.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2024 18:17 utc | 80

Posted by: stranger | Sep 19 2024 17:41 utc | 66
Agree; one possible solution would be for B to cap comments on any thread to 100, minus the obvious name-calling and pathetic trolls.
A comment holiday is another option. Naked Capitalism has had to resort to that, at times.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 17:49 utc | 69
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Stop grousing.
You and other grousers, control freaks, and snowflakes are part of the problem, with your insulting, self-congratulatory epithets and insults aimed at other commenters. If you don’t like it, get lost.
B is still recuperating from serious surgery.
Commenters here provide plenty of excellent information and amplification.
I am grateful for MoA in these very trying times.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 19 2024 18:18 utc | 81

Posted by: Ed | Sep 19 2024 18:01 utc | 73
It’s Bs blog and he can do whatever he wants.
People should be more respectful and not engage with trolls as much. Let him recuperate fully.
A comment holiday means no comments period, as a cooling off period.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 19 2024 18:19 utc | 82

Just announced, President Macron to visit Sept 25-26. They’re going to talk about Ukraine, apparently, Russian aggression. And about the upcoming summit of the Francophonie.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 19 2024 18:30 utc | 83

I was impressed by his message today. Older more senior folk have the oldest technology, that undoubtedly saved their organization from more severe consequences. I heard Windows NT mentioned! Good job guys good job, usa still use NT & OS/2 on our end for the same reasons. I’d think they could likely move up to pentium-4 hardware and use an older but secure OS like freeBSD 4.2 something but I’m sure they have more to do than “upgrade” systems that already function as needed. “upgrades” in this aspect (really 99%, most any aspect) aren’t really upgrades in that they increase capability nor performance. All our satcomm stations are functioning fine without windows and microsoft being out of the picture since 1994.

Posted by: NJH | Sep 19 2024 18:30 utc | 84

Macron to visit Canada. Oops. ( my post above)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Sep 19 2024 18:32 utc | 85

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 74
Your comment has me wondering what sort of capabilities Hezbollah has in terms of minefields.
It would not be at all surprising if they could drop mines behind the Israeli Advanced as we saw in the Ukrainian theater.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 19 2024 18:33 utc | 86

A buddy of mine just bought a little“dingbat” apartment building in the poor part of Beverly Hills. His investment thesis ? Rents are bound to skyrocket when all the ex-Israelis arrive.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 18:33 utc | 87

The British FO calls on their nationals to leave the Lebanon as soon as possible while commercial options remain.
Is that a no-fly zone coming?
Netanyahoo wants a war. A fierce war. Not good folks.

Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 18:36 utc | 88

From live feed:
PALESTINIAN MEDIA: Occupation soldiers mutilated the bodies of three slain Palestinians in Qabatiya and threw them from the roof of the house in which they were killed.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 18:47 utc | 89

I recommend to sell the stocks of Intel, everybody knows where is allocated one of the main factories of Intel, they have put the factory in the wrong place….

Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 18:48 utc | 90

The British FO calls on their nationals to leave the Lebanon as soon as possible while commercial options remain.
Posted by: AI | Sep 19 2024 18:36 utc | 88
They’ve all stopped flights into Beirut (and mostly into Tel Aviv). Who wants their plane blown up by another Israeli push of a button. The Brits will have to take a ferry to Cyprus.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 19 2024 19:03 utc | 91

Israel along with its terrorist sponsors in the West are on a sharp decline. Time is on the side of the Axis of Resistance. That’s why there is such desperation to start a war, even if it leads to WWIII and a nuclear exchange.
Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 19 2024 15:07 utc |
I understand the rationale of this analysis, time is definitely not on Israel’s side. However, if it is desperate to start a war, can’t it do so anytime it wants?
It can easily “avenge” the “terrible loss” of yet more Druze children in the Golan Heights. Or arrange a good ol’ false flag bombing in Tel Aviv with Lebanese passports found all around the wreckage to desperately start any war it wants.
I think rather that there are also forces within Israel (as well as within the USA) that desperately do NOT want to start a war, and it’s those that the crazies in the basement are trying to overcome.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Sep 19 2024 19:15 utc | 92

karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 18:03 utc | 75
Hezbollah neither has noteworthy radar capabilities nor noteworthy anti-aircraft capabilities. I think this should be pretty obvious.
And as for Gallant not wanting to attack Hezbollah, that’s an odd statement, too. Israel is attacking Hezbollah and Lebanon every day, and nobody’s stopping them. It’s just that a ground offensive is out of the question. Which is not entirely a Hezbollah accomplishment. There’s also the tiny issue of the UNIFIL zone, where IOF ground forces would first have to plow through UN troops to engage Hezbollah.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Sep 19 2024 19:15 utc | 93

The stakes are very very high for Netanyahu, all the sionists have heard very clearly the promise he made yesterday = “We will return the Residents of the North safely to their Homes”, if he does not fulfil his promise he will be in serious troubles from their party and their political allies (right wing mad dogs), and the jail is waiting for him when he step-down.
So there must be any kind of land attack, because it is simply not credible to “return the residents” by an air campaing allowing the hezb fighters shoot from the border, everybody and his mother know that.
So the IDF MUST send troops into Lebanon, and the hezb fighters are praying this day arrives to extract revenge.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 19:25 utc | 94

Vanessa Beeley makes the assumption that Russia did not see this wider Lebanon-Israel war coming. But, consider the possibility that the Russian armaments, defense and communication systems shipped to Iran in anticipation of Israel/US predations on that country, were also intended in some part of Hezbollah and possibly for Hamas et al in Gaza. Expertise, intelligence and equipment are moved around the Axis of Resistance in ways not readily observable to western intelligence sources. Suspicions are raised regarding exactly how well equipped all of the non state actors slicing (as in 1,000+ cuts) at Israel are, and in case of predicted escalations what is their defined role. Difficult to believe that high level coordination is not in place and that all of these actors are more than ready for the escalation. Most certainly Shoigu is not going to appear in downtown Beirut!
On the other hand, Israel has been long showing battle fatigue from the war in Gaza – exceptionally high number of deaths and even greater disabilities – both mental and physicial, in a country whose hubris is so great that they have long presented the IOF/IDF as invincible. Which is accurate if you are only slaughtering civilians who are caged, have no weapons and are routinely physicially and sexually abused in the prison system. On the other hand, facing Hezbollah fighters (exponentially increasing in the past two days), Hamas et. al., Ansar allah has been a vastly different experience. Even with a full cadre of US warships lurking offshore, a physical invasion of Lebanon is poorly advised.
If the Axis of Resistance has one well established and defined characteristic, it is their disciplined, well considered actions. On the other hand, Israeli responses – as with the exploding comms systems targeting more civilians than terrorists, babe, child, youth, and elder without regard – are impulsive, disinhibited actions,driven by rage and fury, psychopathically destructive, insofar as many of the cruelest actions have no strategic import, do not further the poorly developed strategic goals of the state.

Posted by: abierno | Sep 19 2024 19:40 utc | 95

@63 zanon
I don’t know what air defense capability Hezballah has.
Now very heavy strikes on Lebanon south. Hezballah used several Burkan on occupation also. See Palestine links at start for update on that.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 19:40 utc | 96

94 Dave
When has bibi ever followed through with his statements? I can see where one would assume he’d be held accountable for his promises but that’s not reality. He’s also promised to defeat hamas for decades, return hostages, maintain control of border crossings, defeat iran, defeat hez for good back in 2006, the list goes on. He like all western politicians can speak whatever their public wants to hear with zero regard.

Posted by: NJH | Sep 19 2024 19:41 utc | 97

In case some of the readers here have missed the info I posted in the earlier thread, I repost it here.
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Netizens dug out an article published on July 27th, 2011 in a Taiwanese Magazine called “天下杂志” with the title “金阿波羅 用對講機 扣住FBI的心”金阿波羅 用對講機 扣住FBI的心(Gold Apollo Pagers/BB Call hold on FBI’s heart ).
In this article, it reported that:
– FBI bought Gold Apollo pagers which could send out orders to more than 10 of its staff at the same time when they are in action.
– Gold Apollo had 99% market share of Holland, 60% of USA, 70% of Australia. It’s one of the few manufacturers of Pagers. It’s the No. 1 pager provider in USA, No. 2 in Europe.
– Its customers were mostly from Intelligence Agency, Fire Fighting and Defence Dept.
– It did not have production site on mainland China.
According to this well known Taiwanese talk-show TVBS Situation Room, the reason Gold Apollo did not set up manufacturing factory on mainland China could be due to its cooperation with US intelligence agencies.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 19:44 utc | 98

In this video, an eagle-eyed netizen mentioned the pagers were imported in mid-April 2024, which corresponds to what Taiwanese Ministry of Economy initially said that these pagers were exported in “early this year”.
According to the official info On April 15, President Tsai Ing-wen met with a delegation from the Israeli Knesset (parliament) .
In remarks, President Tsai stated that bilateral interactions between Taiwan and Israel have recently been very close. …… President Tsai stated that she looks forward to Taiwan and Israel leveraging our industrial strengths and continuing to deepen our partnership, based on our shared values of freedom and democracy, to jointly build more resilient global supply chains. In their discussion, President Tsai expressed her sincere concern and sympathy to the delegation following the recent attack on Israel by Iran, and condemned the use of violence to undermine global peace and stability.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 19 2024 19:45 utc | 99

When has bibi ever followed through with his statements?
Posted by: NJH | Sep 19 2024 19:41 utc | 97
Of course Bibi is a serial lier but in this case he has a lot of pressure from his “allies” and the residents in the North to “solve” this “inadmissible problem” and Nasrallah has accepted publicly the challenge in front of the eyes of all the Occupied Palestine.
So it is not a normal promise, now he must to something or he will appear weak in front of Hezbollah, and need to do it soon.
In any case we will see what happens before a week; the hezb fighter are salivating with the prospect of fighting a real war against the child-murderers.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 19 2024 19:57 utc | 100