If this is true, China and Russia now have an obligation to do something against Israel ( embargo, sanctions, arrests ? ) . My prediction: They wont do a damn thing.
– INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE DECLARES ISRAEL OCCUPATION “UNLAWFUL” MUST CEASE IMMEDIATELY; DISMANTLE ALL SETTLEMENTS –
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/international-court-of-justice-declares-israel-occupation-unlawful-must-cease-immediately-dismantle-all-settlements

Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 15:24 utc | 4

The forgotten front. Huge ongoing incursions, bulldozing, rapes, murders developing into an industrial scale assault on the West Bank. The rank insanity of the “Chosen” element amongst the major Talmudist faction in Occupied Palestine has an ongoing agenda…remove the indigenous population from the river to the sea.
Irony abounds in this genocidal assault on the Palestinian people, whose genome is 85% descended from the ancient Hebrews according to a Johns Hopkins DNA survey taken and published well over a decade ago.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 8 2024 15:45 utc | 6

Is Erdogan going to wait like a poodle until after the US (s)election to move?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 8 2024 15:59 utc | 7
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Erdo isn’t going to “move” at all. In fact, he’s still greasing the wheels of the Zio war machine with fossil fuels.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 8 2024 16:01 utc | 8

Erdogan? When the Ottoman’s lost, a new regime moved in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaat_Pasha
From the article:
Freemason 33grade
Talaat Pasha was a member of the Bektashi order[23][138][139] and a 33° freemason[140] and first became a member of the Salonica Freemason Lodge Macedonia Risorta in 1903[141] during his time in the Ottoman Balkans. He was also the first Grand Master of the society.[142][143] He used both organizations as channels for his anti-Hamidian activism, as they were inaccessible for the spies of Yıldız Palace.[23][138]
Talaat Pasha or Talat Pasha,[b] was an Ottoman Young Turk activist, politician, and convicted war criminal who served as the de facto leader of the Ottoman Empire from 1913 to 1918.
His salary was not high, so he worked after hours as a Turkish language teacher in the Alliance Israelite School which served the Jewish community of Adrianople.[21] At the age of 21 Talaat was involved in a love affair with the daughter of the Jewish headmaster for whom he worked.[22]
Coup/ Color Revolution
the 1908 Young Turk Revolution, he was elected as a deputy from Adrianople to the Chamber of Deputies and later became Minister of the Interior. He played an important role in the downfall of Sultan Abdul Hamid II the next year during the 31 March Incident by organizing a counter government.
Genozide
on 30 May 1915 promulgated the Temporary Law of Deportation; these events initiated the Armenian genocide. He is widely considered the main perpetrator of the genocide,[4][5][6][7][8] and is thus held responsible for the death of around 1 million Armenians.
On 2 August 1915 Talaat told him that “that our Armenian policy is absolutely fixed and that nothing can change it. We will not have the Armenians anywhere in Anatolia. They can live in the desert but nowhere else.”
The hatred between the Turks and the Armenians is now so intense that we have got to finish with them. If we don’t, they will plan their revenge.[80]
War with russia
Talaat and Enver were influential bringing the Ottoman Empire into the First World War.
he personally negotiated the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with the Bolsheviks, regaining parts of Eastern Anatolia which were occupied by Russia since 1878, and won the race to Baku on the Caucasus front.
«And the Bolsheviks were of cource the ones that are now perpetrating genozide in Gaza»
In a play of zugzwang after the Balfour Declaration, Talaat reproached with the Zionist movement, promising to open up Jewish immigration to Jerusalem.[94] This promise did not reflect ground conditions, as his first year as Grand Vizier saw the loss of Jerusalem and Baghdad.
Escaping Turkie
With Enver, Cemal, Nazım, Şakir, Azmi, and Osman Bedri, he fled the Ottoman capital on a German torpedo boat that night where they landed in Sevastopol, Crimea and scattered from there.
Talaat, Nazım, Şakir and some other Turkish officers wound up in Berlin on 10 November, the day after Kaiser Wilhelm II fled the city due to the November Revolution. The new chancellor, Friedrich Ebert of the SPD, signed the documents secretly allowing Talaat asylum in Germany,
He was also able to travel to Italy, Switzerland, Sweden, and Denmark. In all of these visits, he lobbied against the new Allied world-order, specifically against their designs on the Ottoman Empire.[99]
Marrige
Talaat married Hayriye Hanım (1895–1983) (later known as Hayriye Talat Bafralı), an Albanian girl from Yanya (Ioannina) on 19 March 1910.[133] Talaat met Hayriye in 1909, while she was studying in the French girls’ Lycée Notre Dame de Sion in Constantinople.[35] He learned to speak French in the Israelite School at Salonika, and picked up Greek from his wife.
He was shot in Berlin
Funeral
Invitations from Hayriye and the Orient Club were sent to Talaat’s funeral, and on 19 March, he was buried in the Alter St.-Matthäus-Kirchhof in a well-attended ceremony.[118][114] At 11:00 a.m., prayers led by the imam of the Turkish embassy, Şükri Bey, were held at Talaat’s apartment. Afterwards, a large procession accompanied the coffin to Matthäus, where he was interred.[114] Many prominent Germans paid their respects, including former foreign ministers Richard von Kühlmann and Arthur Zimmermann, along with the former head of Deutsche Bank, the ex-director of the Baghdad railway, several military personnel who had served in the Ottoman Empire during the war and August von Platen-Hallermünde, attending on behalf of the exiled Kaiser Wilhelm II.[117]
Legacy
Biographer Hans-Lukas Kieser states that many Jews engaged in “open propaganda for him and CUP causes” despite Talaat’s involvement in genocide, and that this continued even after his death into the late twentieth century.[146]

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 16:25 utc | 10

Any international pressure will be presented as antisemitism by the Israel ruling coalition, and would be considered a policy success

Posted by: Polli | Sep 8 2024 17:01 utc | 12

” Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 16:25 utc | 10 ”
Everyberg, SingleStein, Timewitz

Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 17:28 utc | 14

There’s an excellent new album by “The The”, called “Ensoulment”
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lyFkE0TSBdZvIXVFkd7-dDE-K18UKzaZ4&si=pgEXM0UWTrLqYcKp
It includes this song “Kissing the ring of Potus”:
The Empire of Lies secures allies
Like a spider ties up flies
Those hand-picked parasites ruling the servile satellites
Know who they dare not criticise
A psychopathic superpower spies from the sky
Transmitting viruses into the mind’s eye
“It’s vassalage or war!”
Shrieked the Casablanca whore
Slaughter by proxy
The hidden hand
The cat’s paw
Kissing the ring of POTUS
Under the spell of hypnosis
The proof of psychosis
The coup that nobody noticed
The criminals were anointed
The false flags were hoisted
Missiles flattening, nations shattering
Yet, even while it was happening, it wasn’t happening
By now so conceited and proud
They brag of their crimes out loud
“We cheated, we stole, we lied!”
“We came, we saw, he died!”
So, is this how the Empire dies?
Its constitution withered on the vine
Propped up by the dollar and the drone
Slumped upon a degenerating throne
Kissing the ring of POTUS
Under the spell of hypnosis
The proof of psychosis
The coup that nobody noticed
Kissing the ring of POTUS
Under the spell of hypnosis
The proof of psychosis
The coup that nobody noticed

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 8 2024 17:39 utc | 16

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 8 2024 16:25 utc | 10
Your quotation of the wiki on Talaat Pasha. It looks to me heavily spun to suit the narrative of the Armenian Genocide. The Young Turks were not particularly anti-Christian, as the narrative requires. They were Turkish nationalists, of the kind which was transmitted from 19th century Europe into the early 20th century Middle East. The Armenian problem was that they rebelled against the Ottoman empire in 1915, thinking that the Russians would come and take over their territory. Only the Russians were stopped and didn’t. Leaving the Armenians in Turkey open to reprisal. The Turks are not delicate, and that’s what happened. The genocide was really a violent suppression of a revolt, with export of the population so they couldn’t cause trouble again.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 8 2024 18:27 utc | 18

” The genocide was really a violent suppression of a revolt, with export of the population so they couldn’t cause trouble again.
Posted by: laguerre | Sep 8 2024 18:27 utc | 18 ”
Nazi genocide bad, Turkish genocide just a suppression of a revolt to prevent future trouble. Got it.

Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 19:24 utc | 20

From Al Manar TV

The group’s military media released a series of statements outlining the attacks and their outcomes:
First Operation
The initial statement reported that in response to the Israeli attacks on resilient southern villages, particularly the assault on medical crews in the town of Froun, which resulted in the martyrdom and injury of Civil Defense members, Hezbollah’s fighters targeted the Kiryat Shmona settlement with a salvo of Al-Falaq missiles.
Second Operation
The second statement reported that in retaliation for the Israeli attack on the southern town of Froun, the Islamic Resistance fighters launched a second round of intensive rocket strikes on the Kiryat Shmona settlement.
Third Operation
The third statement reported a third retaliatory strike in response to the Israeli brutal attack on the southern town of Froun, where Hezbollah fighters bombarded the Shamir settlement with volleys of Katyusha rockets.
Fourth Operation
At 09:30 a.m. on Sunday, the group’s fighters targeted spy equipment at the Al-Malkiyeh Israeli occupation site with an attack drone, delivering a direct hit and causing its destruction.
Fifth Operation
The fifth statement of the day mentioned that at 12:15 p.m., the Islamic Resistance fighters directly targeted the spy equipment at the Ruwaisat Al-Alam Israeli site in the occupied Lebanese Kfar Shuba Hills with precision weapons, leading to its destruction.
Sixth Operation: Aerial Attack
The sixth statement issued stated that in response to the Israeli attack on resilient southern villages, particularly the horrific massacre in the town of Froun, the group’s fighters launched an aerial assault on Sunday. A squadron of attack drones targeted the Ras Al-Naqoura Israeli naval site, striking positions of Zionist officers and soldiers with precision.
Seventh Operation
According to the seventh statement, at 02:25 p.m., the group’s valiant fighters targeted a gathering of Zionist soldiers at the Abu Dajaj Heights with artillery shells, delivering a direct hit.
ore Operations
Later on Sunday, Hezbollah’s military media declared that, in response to the Israeli attacks on southern villages and civilian homes, particularly in the steadfast town of Khirbet Selm, the group’s fighters launched aerial strikes. Swarms of attack drones targeted the Al-Zaoura Israeli site, hitting Iron Dome platforms as well as locations where Zionist officers and soldiers were stationed, causing direct casualties and leaving many dead and wounded.
The ninth operation of the day took place at 3:35 p.m., when Hezbollah’s fighters targeted the Al-Sammaqa Israeli occupation site in the Kfar Shuba hills with rockets, delivering a direct hit.

Death of Occupied Palestine by a thousand cuts.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 8 2024 20:55 utc | 22

I think after 75 years of being killed, imprisoned, harassed, and forced out of the country where they lived for 3000 continuous years, by a group that had left the place 2000 years ago and suddenly were given the “right to return to their homeland” by the newly-formed UN in 1947, the Palestinians (whether they belong to Hamas or not) have the right to resist and fight back.
If we want to use some examples of legal armed resistance, how about the United States itself? The colonies of Great Britain, being treated as conscripted labor, taxed in inordinate amounts, and having profound grievances, rose in armed insurrection against their colonizer and demanded separation from it. The list of grievances is known as the Declaration of Independence, and after a war against Great Britain that lasted from 1776 to 1781 (plus two more years for a treaty to be ratified), the United States was formally freed from colonization.
The Constitution was later written in 1787.
Here is how the US felt about the right to sever ties with a despotic, colonizing power in 1776, and we still hold this up as the virtuous exercising of the inherent rights of all humans. Except, oddly, in the case of the Palestinians, who apparently do not have the right to armed resistance against their occupier. Furthermore, even listing their grievances is considered “anti-Semitism” and “terroristic utterances”. Amazing that we have forgotten our beginnings – we haven’t been around all that long – and so many Americans consider themselves “patriots” who revere the Declaration and the Constitution.
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From the Declaration of Independence:
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[…] But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.[…]

[note: the list of abuses is interesting in that almost all of them would also pertain to the Palestinians vs the Israelis. I am not including the list as it is so lengthy. You can find them at the closing link.]

[…] In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
We, therefore,[…] solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
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Posted by: teri | Sep 8 2024 21:37 utc | 24

It seems you fine gentlemen dont expect much from China, Russia, or India. A sad state of affairs.
Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 17:30 utc | 15
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India couldn’t care less about Palestinians.
As for Russia and China, for better or worse they don’t threaten to “color revolution” states that don’t bend to their will.
But you knew that already.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 8 2024 22:02 utc | 26

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Posted by: Larsa | Sep 8 2024 22:27 utc | 28
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Ukrainian women, no doubt.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 8 2024 22:31 utc | 28

“We have known sadness for a long time and we have known it, even in the years before October 7, every Gazan felt a pang of deficiency deep within him while he was at the peak of his joy, he was waiting for the crying that would follow the excess of laughter and happiness, but these days, we are living the resurrection of deficiency, emptiness, loneliness and disappointment, this war has split our hearts, it has accumulated in our eyelids reservoirs of imprisoned tears, and here we are craving the moment of crying, we have been hurt until we have become craving to cry, we have been hurt until we have begun to feel that injustice was created for us and blessed in our name,
so please, Lord, let all of this end
Journalist Yousef Fares – Gaza”

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 8 2024 22:44 utc | 30

” The genocide was really a violent suppression of a revolt, with export of the population so they couldn’t cause trouble again.
Posted by: laguerre | Sep 8 2024 18:27 utc | 18 ”
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Moonie response: “Nazi genocide bad, Turkish genocide just a suppression of a revolt to prevent future trouble. Got it.”
I totally agree with you on this, Moonie! You called it!

Posted by: hispanidad | Sep 8 2024 23:31 utc | 32

It’s now time to level the West Bank…time for more MOA wailing and screeching!
Don’t worry, you will get to take care of your beloved Paleshitians after the survivors are evicted from Jewish land and sent to Europe and the USA!
Mazel Tov!

Posted by: Israel Victorious!!! | Sep 8 2024 23:50 utc | 34

There is no such thing as Jewish land.
That is as ridiculous as Christian land, Buddhist land, Islamic land, or Zoroastrian land.
Palestine is a place.
Judaism is not a place.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 9 2024 0:14 utc | 36

So what do you predict ? Russian sanctions ? A Chinese embargo ? India banning Israeli tourists ?
Posted by: Moonie | @ 4 & 9
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Moonie @ 4 & 9 does not give a rat’s ass about Palestinians in Gaza, or anywhere else. He/Her/It is just using the subject to take swipes at Russia and its allies. Moonies, good God, does that cult still exist.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 9 2024 0:27 utc | 38

this is a very very conservative estimate below.
there are many 1000s of people buried under the rubble, and since the Gaza Dept of Health (which has been largely destroyed) reported like 33,000 dead some 6-7 months ago, we can assume that the real death toll is at least 2-3 times the reported 43,000. At least.
https://x.com/HossamShabat/status/1832854913828942249
حسام شبات @HossamShabat
10,000 school-aged Palestinian children were killed in the last year. As the world returns to a new school year, students in Gaza are either dead, injured, or displaced.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 9 2024 0:30 utc | 40

@ teri 36
It is hard to make out what is going on at the moment. The occupation have been stepping up raids outside of Gaza this last week – on West Bank, Lebanon and now Syria also.
Suhaib Al-Masalma reports the occupation press more than anything, so that we get a view of what ideas are circulating there, but it is taken for granted that we know some of that will be propaganda by the occupation. It is a question of keeping different sources covered so that others are able to get a sense of some kind as to what is going on, even if only of how the occupation collective is being rounded up or prepared.
Syria has been quiet in reply regarding previous strikes of which there have been a few, but as mentioned targeting in Lebanon and now Syria is increasing. It is not possible to say what the reaction will be, if there will be one or if as part of a wider retaliation eventually.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 9 2024 0:44 utc | 42

It seems you fine gentlemen dont expect much from China, Russia, or India. A sad state of affairs.
Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 17:30 utc | 15
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But! But! Don’t Moonies love Jews? Do you expect much out of Israel and its poodle Joe Biden? Yes indeed, a sad state of affairs when the “Exceptional Nation” supports the genocide of civilian women and children and cow toe to a monster like Benjamin Netanyahu.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 9 2024 0:58 utc | 44

Who can be surprised that Bibi is going for broke?
He used Biden’s shitstain peace proposal as toilet paper, then he dropped a huge “Cleveland steamer” on Blinken and peed in Kirby’s punch.
He feels completely empowered – America is his bitch, and he’s going to ride that slut until she passes out.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 9 2024 1:06 utc | 46

I am amazed that anyone thinks Israel is somehow winning or showing strength.
Educated skilled Israelis are moving their money overseas, seeing their children’s futures being shat on by the crazies.
The crazies don’t work, don’t serve, they are cancerous leaches.
Begging and murdering, that is the mission of religious zionists.

Posted by: Polli | Sep 9 2024 1:29 utc | 48

Posted by: teri | Sep 8 2024 21:37 utc | 24
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So, the parallel, would be if the settlers in the West Bank revolted against the current Israeli regime (and the US) and successfully settled all of historic Palestine while killing all Palestinians.
Posted by: JAB | Sep 8 2024 21:52 utc | 25
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JAB, your reading of US history is correct, and that is the reason that the rightwing kooks in the US do not want the truth taught in our schools.
Teri don’t forget that the White settlers that you respect so much not only committed genocide against the Native Americans, but many were also owners of Black slaves. In fact, white slave owners at that time were the source of much that is wrong with the US Constitution to this day, e.g., the electoral college and the Senate based on two per state rather than proportioned by population.
The US Constitution is a colonial settler relic designed by slave owners and rich land barons from sparsely populated states in order to preserve slavery: It is still used that way today for other reasons.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 9 2024 1:30 utc | 50

Nazi genocide bad, Turkish genocide just a suppression of a revolt to prevent future trouble. Got it.
Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 19:24 utc | 20
Doesn’t sound as though you know much about the subject, just looking for a cheap jibe. You just getting on your high horse, believing the official narrative. Declaring the massacres a genocide was a typically Islamophobic move. What Muslims do is bad, what Christians do is automatically good. So your remark is racist (religionist or whatever the word is for religious prejudice); I’m not surprised to discover. I’m no defender of Turks, but you do have to put what they did in historical perspective.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 9 2024 2:30 utc | 52

https://x.com/caitoz/status/1832917326263669053
Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz
How unsafe do they feel on a scale from zero to Palestinian child in Gaza?
https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1832890291696574949
The Jerusalem Post @Jerusalem_Post
A new ADL survey shows most Israelis feel unsafe traveling abroad and are increasingly worried about rising global antisemitism.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 9 2024 2:41 utc | 54

…… A new ADL survey shows most Israelis feel unsafe traveling abroad and are increasingly worried about rising global antisemitism…….
Translation: Likud attempt to scare Israelis into staying.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 9 2024 3:16 utc | 56

It seems you fine gentlemen dont expect much from China, Russia, or India. A sad state of affairs.
Posted by: Moonie | Sep 8 2024 17:30 utc | 15
China has no history with either Israel or Palestine. This may be an improvement over the current hegemon.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 9 2024 4:42 utc | 58

M7st see
https://tinyurl.com/4y4f54df

Posted by: Tom | Sep 9 2024 8:33 utc | 60

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Posted by: Larsa | Sep 8 2024 22:27 utc | 28
You’ve been had, Larsa.
Women are never single.
Trust me on this one.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2024 9:50 utc | 62

necromancer 60
I read on MoA recently that Palestinian families ran agriculture communally, not sticking to rigid ownership boundaries. That is surely a 2000 year old legacy from prophet ‘Eesa Alaihi Salam.
As a Christian who reverted to the fitra/ inborn recognition, of God, I can see that Islam , with Christian roots is totally different from Islam from Mongol or Arab roots.
The purity of Palestinian Islam is dismissed by other political Muslims as Sufism, or in other words ignorant mysticism. Muslim countries have been oppressed by European colonisers for so long that they have become radicalised by hate.
I see Palestine as a Holy Land , whose people are also embedded in its holiness. The present colonialisation , through British Zionism , and before that through Crusades, happened to South Asian countries, Russian countries, African countries before Palestine and their colonisation was exactly like the present , or much worse. Slavery, rape , genocide.
The avaricious West and their partners in crime the usurious Jews are dealing with a very pure and sincere population in Palestine which as you say most Muslims either don’t value or understand.
So who will help the Palestinians?
Only two groups, the sincere believing Christians working in Western institutions of justice from the point of view of Christian ethics. Secondly the only Muslims in the world who have kicked out Empire from their land, Afghanistan.
The British and US attacks on Afghanistan have been defeated because of a particular purity of vision, and a determination not to become a truly subjugated colony like Pakistan.
Our prophet told us Salallahu alaihi wassalam that the Palestinians would not leave Palestine. How could they when most other Muslims are captives of colonial greed? He SAW also told us that Israel would be defeated by Khorasan / Afghanistan, which is probably why empire continually tries to destroy it.
So, in conclusion, we can see that Empire decided to attack Russia, which strengthened Russia and Russia is stronger militarily than Empire now. Better if they had left it alone.
Palestine is a spiritual treasure, a jewel connecting the Jewish prophets to the immeasurable truth of Islam.
That may be why Mammon worshippers and Zionists feel compelled to try to destroy it. But you cannot destroy an idea embedded in the human soul.
It just makes it stronger. Wallahi, the Mammonites and revisionist Zionist Nazis will come to wish they had left Palestine alone.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2024 10:06 utc | 64

Wow! I thought you were following Buddhism. What happened?
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2024 10:08 utc | 66
Which part of that is contrary to the teachings of the Tathāgata?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2024 10:24 utc | 66

“I am amazed that anyone thinks Israel is somehow winning or showing strength.
Educated skilled Israelis are moving their money overseas, seeing their children’s futures being shat on by the crazies.
The crazies don’t work, don’t serve, they are cancerous leaches.
Begging and murdering, that is the mission of religious zionists.”
Posted by: Polli | Sep 9 2024 1:29 utc | 49
The wishful thinking and cognitive dissonance here is really astonishing. If Israel was so “weak”, why the fuck has it been acting with impunity for the past 11 months? Killing at least 17,000 armed combatants while suffering less than 350 IDF fatalities in combat post-October 7. The Gaza Strip is a turkey shoot at this point with dozens of additional armed militants added to the pile every day. The IDF now controls one third of all of the territory of Gaza including all of its land borders and crossing points with Egypt. Hamas is choked off from resupply, that’s the sad reality. Its days are numbered.

Posted by: Brent Burgress | Sep 9 2024 11:08 utc | 68

“I am amazed that anyone thinks Israel is somehow winning or showing strength.
Posted by: Polli | Sep 9 2024 1:29 utc |
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Way in the back of my mind I sometimes fear that Israel is working hard to appear weak while it is, because of US backing, very strong. Something about those demonstrations in Tel Aviv doesn’t seem sincere. Little property damage and few people hurt. And those retired Israeli generals, Brik and Barak, claiming Israel is on the brink of collapse, maybe it’s all just propaganda.
If Israel really is trying to appear weak while strong, it’s working to the extent that Iran is holding off its retaliation because, according to E.J. Magnier and others, it thinks it can just wait for Israel to collapse on its own. What would Sun Tzu think?

Posted by: Chas | Sep 9 2024 11:28 utc | 70

……” A new ADL survey shows most Israelis feel unsafe traveling abroad and are increasingly worried about rising global antisemitism…….
Translation: Likud attempt to scare Israelis into staying.”
Posted by: Exile | Sep 9 2024 3:16 utc | 57
Exactly!

Posted by: canuck | Sep 9 2024 12:20 utc | 72

Brent Burgress 69
My favourite political cartoon by the brilliant Steve Bell was Mrs Thatcher, sitting upright in her coffin at the top of a conveyor belt descending into the fires of Hell saying:
” why has this pit not been closed? ”
You could just as easily ask why Palestine remains a thorn in the flesh for Empire 100 years after Britain finished the Ottomans.
I think the answer lies in the complete corruption of Christianity by materialism, and the complete corruption of Islam by colonisation whereby you get your country back if and only if Empire gets all the oil,lithium etc
The world is rotten to the core from top to bottom. Now that Empire is disintegrating, after losing in Syria and Ukraine, it’s asking why this small plot of land appears to be still available for the usual rape, pillage genocide.
The corrupt Empire has no idea why the Holy Land of Palestine remains.
They have bought every Mullah or priest, every businessman or woman, every politician accountant or professor. Who or What is sustaining Palestine?
The slaves of Empire are asking themselves, ‘Are we mistaken about these old fairy tales we heard about God , Jesus and Islam, Holy Land and other poppycock?’
They don’t even realise, like Thatcher , that they are already cast into damnation by their hundreds of years of conquest and murder, in order to be now witnessing the easy destruction of Palestine.
They are already cursed to be given the destiny of implementing this sacrilegious task of genocide.
Their afterlife, not the Palestinian afterlife.
The ink is already dry , like Pharaoh entering the Red Sea, and trying to repent when he sees the waves.
What? You regret now? This day your body will be preserved as a sign of your disbelief in Allah and disobedience. Then he drowned.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2024 12:39 utc | 74

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2024 12:39 utc | 75
My favourite political cartoon by the brilliant Steve Bell was Mrs Thatcher, sitting upright in her coffin at the top of a conveyor belt descending into the fires of Hell saying:
” why has this pit not been closed? ”
Thanks for that Giyane, I’d never seen it. I found it and linked below.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/interactive/2013/apr/11/margaret-thatcher-legacy-best-writing

Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 9 2024 13:02 utc | 76

Brent Burgess 69
Israel has been in a very serious crisis for years.
Bibi is corrupt, no dodging that, and even though he maintained good support he ran out of coalition partners.
So last election he joined with the religious crazies.
Their big initiative was to overthrow the courts, the so called Judicial Coup, and replace them with Rabbi’s.
This was very unpopular, as Israel was formed by secular Jews, and 90% are not Dosim.
On October 6 the only thing that would keep Bibi out of jail was a war.
From the other side, the resistance wins by surviving.
Israel thought that 1 month would be enough to win.
But win they haven’t, against their weakest opponent.
Iran and Hezbollah have shown that the Iron Dome does not protect.
Roughly 200,000 are internal refugees.
What strength people see is their own prejudice

Posted by: Polli | Sep 9 2024 13:39 utc | 78

“The US Constitution is a colonial settler relic designed by slave owners and rich land barons from sparsely populated states in order to preserve slavery: It is still used that way today for other reasons.”
Posted by: Ed | Sep 9 2024 1:30 utc | 51
Baldersdash!
For all its faults its the best Constitution document in history.
I guess you’d like some form of the ‘Communist Manifesto’as a doc.
“Stupid is a stupid does”

Posted by: canuck | Sep 9 2024 13:52 utc | 80

I get that we never actually meant the stuff we wrote,
Posted by: teri | Sep 9 2024 12:10 utc | 72
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Wow, that is a pretty big “get.”
I reject that.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 9 2024 13:54 utc | 82

“but many were also owners of Black slaves.”
Posted by: Ed | Sep 9 2024 1:30 utc | 51
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“Just for the sake of balance and completeness sake, record that Native Americans, Blacks, and also Black women took advantage of the opportunity to own slaves.”
Posted by: Janes | Sep 9 2024 13:50 utc | 80
Both Obama and Kamala have no slaves in their ancestry but they both have slave owners in their ancestry.
Trump has no slave owners in his ancestry but, more than likely, since he has German roots it is probable that some of his ancestors were Roman slaves.
The irony!!!

Posted by: canuck | Sep 9 2024 14:00 utc | 84

George M. Chamberlain 74
Orientalists trying refute the Qur’an. The corn silos of prophet Yusuf/ Joseph have been found. Pharaoh’s body is in a museum.
The sea bed of the Red Sea 🌊 shows where the crossing occurred.
Desperate stuff.
Dear friend Canuck, my sister tells me that the tidal flows of the Red Sea are extremely fast, when she went diving in Egypt.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2024 14:25 utc | 86

Not sure if I’ve brought this up here before, but I think it’s really worth comparing the US’s reaction to Libya during the “Arab Spring” to its reaction to the IDF’s terror bombing campaign. A no fly zone was immediately imposed on Libya when Gaddafi sent in the tanks to put down the revolt in Benghazi (which was led by Jihadists and had already caused casualties against the regime). Where’s the no fly zone over Gaza, where the Israeli air force is killing scores of unarmed civilians every day? Where’s the “pro-democracy” operation in a country where the Arab vote is legally suppressed and the state takes on an ethnonationalist character?

Posted by: fnord | Sep 9 2024 14:47 utc | 88

I live in a South Asian community that hates English people to the extent that I no longer feel safe from racism in my local mosque and no longer feel safe from racism when I work for South Asian clients.
It’s an ill wind that blows no good.
Several generations ago some English people did bad things to South Asian people, and the English people also used some South Asian people to do bad things to other South Asian people.
I was not there, nor my father, grandfather etc, but definitely , like us today my ancestors knew what was going on in South Asia, like we know what is going on in Palestine.
This South Asian community’s unjustified racism against all white people will cancel all their good deeds. The bad men and women who did bad things to South Asians are long in their graves waiting for Allah’s punishment. Nothing to do with me now. Change your racism please .
Or, drop your lives and go to jihad against Israel if you think I am guilty of something somebody else once did. Somebody some day will hate you because you didn’t

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2024 15:25 utc | 90

librul 92
The Qur’an describes the country where Moses AS was brought up as Misr, Egypt. The ruler was Firaun, Pharaoh. The Jews celebrate their freedom across the Red Sea to this day. The Jews deny the prophet AS sent to them as Messiah, and they also deny the Last Prophet Muhammad SAW, whom the were all told to expect.
It is only of interest that the Zionists with names from different ethnicities will in desperation try to use archaeology to disprove the word of God.
While we’re on the topic of Zionists, in the same way that extremely wealthy Congressmen and women can be bought, Islamists can also be bought.
Muslim Brotherhood who are Political Islam, despise the Palestinian Muslims as Sufis, a great insult suggesting total ignorance of the Muslim Faith.
To the MB, the Palestinians are completely expendable pawns in the process of their gaining power from Political negotiations with Israel.
Political Islam is with USUKIS, and created by USUKIS against the ordinary Muslims to fight for USUKIS. Look how much benefit the Syrians took from Political Islam, or Libyans or Iraqis. MB is the scum of the earth.
They have deliberately sacrificed their brothers and sisters to genocide by USUKIS, a totally predictable revenge for challenging Zionist oppression of 80 years.
MIHOP. Make It Happen On Purpose.
Your entirely correct description of the plan concocted by MB and USUKIS.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2024 17:06 utc | 92

Not sure if I’ve brought this up here before, but I think it’s really worth comparing the US’s reaction to Libya during the “Arab Spring” to its reaction to the IDF’s terror bombing campaign. A no fly zone was immediately imposed on Libya when Gaddafi sent in the tanks to put down the revolt in Benghazi (which was led by Jihadists and had already caused casualties against the regime). Where’s the no fly zone over Gaza, where the Israeli air force is killing scores of unarmed civilians every day? Where’s the “pro-democracy” operation in a country where the Arab vote is legally suppressed and the state takes on an ethnonationalist character?
Posted by: fnord | Sep 9 2024 14:47 utc | 89
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Yeah, and has anyone heard lately of anyone invoking R2P, Right to Protect?
Crickets.
When do the Palestinians in Jordan start to flex some political or even military muscle? Stop those truck transports?
Per Wiki,
“Some 2.18 million Palestinians were registered as refugees in 2016.[6] As of 2014, around 370,000 live in ten refugee camps, with the biggest one being Baqa’a refugee camp with over 104,000 residents, followed by Al-Wehdat refugee camp with over 51,500 residents.[1] Minority Rights Group International estimated that there are around 3 million Palestinians in Jordan.[7]
Palestinians are overwhelmingly concentrated in northern and central Jordan, specifically in the Amman Governorate, Zarqa Governorate and Irbid Governorate.[6] ”

Posted by: Jane | Sep 9 2024 17:54 utc | 94

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 9 2024 17:12 utc | 94
Facts, dates historical references please.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 9 2024 20:12 utc | 96

Posted by: Polli | Sep 9 2024 13:39 utc | 79
You make valid points. Let me try and address them.
“Israel has been in a very serious crisis for years.”
Yes, this serious crisis can be traced straight back to the failed Oslo Accords, the withdrawal from Gaza, and the withdrawal from South Lebanon. Shocker, but projecting weakness IS perceived weakness. The Israeli Left has systematically traded land for a fictitious “peace” and the Israeli Right led by Bibi, has no vision or long term strategy at all. October 7 has finally put the nail in the coffin of anyone that thought a 2 state solution was possible. It’s obviously not. This serious crisis and internal debate will continue in Israel for years to come. These are the pitfalls of democracy. Israel being a liberal democracy is actually a curse and a serious handicap in the Middle East.
“Bibi is corrupt, no dodging that, and even though he maintained good support he ran out of coalition partners.
So last election he joined with the religious crazies.
Their big initiative was to overthrow the courts, the so called Judicial Coup, and replace them with Rabbi’s.
This was very unpopular, as Israel was formed by secular Jews, and 90% are not Dosim.”
Bibi is as corrupt as any other asshole Western politician. While Israel was indeed largely formed by secular Jews escaping persecution in Europe, the religious in Israel are the ones having the babies and now have political power with their numbers. They are also the ones that are carrying the torch of modern Zionism with the secular more interested in Pride Parades and bread and circuses, like their counterparts in the West. The Left in Israel is the elite that controls the media, the culture, and the top positions in the IDF and security establishment. THEY HATE BIBI more than they hate Hamas. The Supreme Court in Israel needs to be overhauled as it currently has too much power and is essentially a tyrannical body.
“On October 6 the only thing that would keep Bibi out of jail was a war.”
This is the same nonsense spewed by the Trump haters in the US. There is indication that there was some fuckery afoot leading to October 7 and even worse, the IDF were instructed to stand down for hours during the initial attack. Clearly a case of treason within the IDF which plausibly might have happened in order to jam up Bibi and bring his government down. The same IDF Chief of Staff and Shin Bet head that failed so miserably on October 7 are still in their positions. A disgrace, as these men belong in jail or swinging from a tree.
“From the other side, the resistance wins by surviving.”
This is true. If Hamas remains the governing entity in Gaza when this is over, it wins this round. I don’t think this will happen. Israel will remain in control of Gaza for years to come. One day Jewish resettlement of Gaza may happen as well. The only long term solution for Israel is to conquer and annex the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and parts of Southern Lebanon. Eventually, this will happen. Consequences be damned.
“Israel thought that 1 month would be enough to win.
But win they haven’t, against their weakest opponent.”
If Israel was unrestrained, it would have decimated Gaza (Dresden style)and would have won within a week. Since the US holds Israel on a leash (with threats of arms embargoes and UN Security Council veto’s), this was never a realistic scenario. Israel is fighting this war with one arm and 4 fingers tied behind its back. With this methodology, it will take literally years to cleanse Gaza. But it will be done, one way or the other.
“Iran and Hezbollah have shown that the Iron Dome does not protect.”
Very true. The Iron Dome is limited and expensive. Laser technology will come online within the next year so this equation may change again. Iran will never go to a straight up war with Israel. It has too much to lose and mutually assured destruction isn’t good for anyone.
“Roughly 200,000 are internal refugees.”
About 100,000 Israelis are currently displaced in the North due to Hezbollah activity. The same or more refugees on the Lebanon side as well. Not sustainable, and the IDF will launch a wide scale attack on Hezbollah when they are ready to. The US elections are playing a role in terms of the timing.
“What strength people see is their own prejudice”
This obviously cuts both ways. It’s simply absurd to think that Hamas is “winning” on the ground. They are finished, it’s only a matter of time. October 7 was a strategic blunder of the highest order, essentially commiting suicide to gain some new fans in the depraved West. Now most Israelis realize what they need to do to win and survive in a tough neighborhood. And now Jews all over the world realize that they are hated and that their only home and long term future is in Israel. Over the next 20 years, Israel will become the dominant power in the Middle East once it’s shackles are removed.

Posted by: Brent Burgess | Sep 10 2024 9:33 utc | 98

Posted by: Brent Burgess | Sep 10 2024 9:33 utc | 99
You seem to have on the ground strategic insight from an Israel perspective. There are a number of Empire’s that survived by hard power alone, the Khans, the Romans, but the average Israeli citizen did not grow up on a horse, or marching in a legion, they are investment bankers, doctors, attorneys, members of the bourgeoise. The conscript IDF seems unimpressive. Israel is now in a position, in which they are hated by the entire word, with the exception of the elites. The western wonder weapons in Ukraine, havent proven to all that great and eventually, the technology will migrate from Russia and China, to the billions that hate Israel. I cant see this as sustainable for Israel in the long run.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 10 2024 18:24 utc | 100