Palestine Open Thread 2024-213
News & views related to the war in Palestine ...
Posted by b on September 4, 2024 at 5:09 UTC | Permalink
next page »Meanwhile somebody at the UN decides to call a spade a spade
"UN expert says Israel is continuing ‘extermination campaign’ in West Bank
Balakrishnan Rajagopal, the UN special rapporteur on the right to adequate housing, has decried the Israeli army’s continuing assault on the occupied West Bank.
“What the Israeli army is doing in Jenin and other locations in the West Bank is a continuation of the extermination campaign it has been waging in Gaza,” Rajagopal wrote in a post on X.
“What’s the justification and the end game here?” he asked.
“When will the rest of the world and the Israeli public say, enough!”"
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:31 utc | 2
sept 3
Hamas Issues Instructions to Guards to Kill Captives if IOF Approaches
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2189266
Anyone have knowledge about the 6 israeli hostages supposedly shot dead in gaza last week? Is there any credible non israeli info about this (shot in the head?) , was it really done, who did it, what does hamas say about it? Thanks for any assistance.
Confused.
Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 6:49 utc | 3
I'd like to know also Fred. Has Hamas admitted they did kill them?
I'd appreciate any links to sites where Hamas is quoted saying they did.
Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Sep 4 2024 7:15 utc | 4
“When will the rest of the world and the Israeli public say, enough!”"
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:31 utc | 2
Last I heard, the Occupiers were on general strike, not because of the Palestinians but because they want their lives back.
And not having to live under the constant fear of Hezbullah and Iran.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 4 2024 8:08 utc | 5
This is going to be huuuuggge!
Be there or be a ziofascist supporter of Palestinian genocide and a willing propagandised consumer puppet of the mainstream media and political war mongering media.
These are OUR streets - not the jackbooted ziofascist racist Met Police’s. They forget who they are supposed to be working for. They are showing their paramilitary fascist colours.
‘Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC), coalition partners, MPs, Peers, and trade union leaders have expressed serious concern at a Met Police threat to place severe restrictions on the march for Palestine on Saturday 7 September. In short, cops have:
Threatened to impose new orders to disrupt the established patterns of the protests.
Refused to participate in negotiations in a transparent and accountable way.
Met Police: obstructing the pro-Palestine march
PSC and its coalition partners have expressed their serious concern that the Met Police are threatening to place severe restriction orders on this Saturday’s Palestine protest, without explanation or rationale.
The Met Police are attempting to delay the start time by one hour and 45 minutes to 2:30pm, despite the fact that the usual assembly time of 12pm for a 12:45pm start has been advertised for several weeks. No explanation has been given for these moves, announced to organisers at 4pm on Friday 30th August, after the police themselves cancelled a meeting to discuss the demo on Thursday morning.
This is the 18th national march for Palestine since October 2023, and the normal assembly time has been public for weeks. The timing is imperative for supporters travelling from around the country.
Changing the start time from the normal 12:45 pm to 2:30pm is completely impractical and will cause major problems, especially for people coming from outside London, who have already, in their thousands, made transport arrangements.
The organisers first informed the police of their plans on 8 August, more than three weeks ago. The Met Police has already insisted on changes to the assembly point of Whitehall, and delayed meetings with organisers consistently. It refused all meeting times suggested to discuss details, insisting that the only availability was at 10am on Thursday 29 August, and then cancelled the meeting at 9:30am.
The Met Police then informed organisers that it wanted the start time pushed back, without explanation. The concern is that these kind of delays, lack of communication, late changes, and imposition of conditions to what are entirely peaceful demonstrations are forming a pattern of obstruction...’
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2024/09/02/pro-palestine-march-7-september-met-police/
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The Resistance Begins anew. The first major challenge against the NewNuLabourInc sssherrStramzetroopers Nazionist owned and controlled Government, after its sickly ‘win’ at the begining of summer.
No to Wars. No to Austerity.
From the River To The Sea.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 4 2024 9:03 utc | 6
And not having to live under the constant fear of Hezbullah and Iran.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 4 2024 8:08 utc | 5
They could have that at any time. Just sayin ' ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 4 2024 10:43 utc | 8
"But what can I do? I am just one person ..."
... Said seven billion people ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 4 2024 10:45 utc | 9
DunGroanin 6
The Charge of the Light Brigade in Kursk and capture of a Russian NPP was supposed to divert attention away from the Israeli Genocide.
Such bad losers. It's so unBritish.
Everything they touch goes wrong. Better if they had left Russia alone.
But we're here now and every day brings Israel's defeat closer.
The only thing they can think to do about it is to kettle protesters like Gordon Brown in 2009 , this time using huge numbers of police ?What if the kettle is ruled as illegal again? Brown was voted out in 2010. Starmer will have to resign.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 4 2024 10:51 utc | 10
Such bad losers. It's so unBritish.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 4 2024 10:51 utc | 10
I can't think of anything more British ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 4 2024 11:37 utc | 11
@Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 4 2024 9:03 utc | 6
Be helpful if you defined MET police at the top of your post.
Had to search it out.
Kinda interrupts the message.
Posted by: librul | Sep 4 2024 11:59 utc | 12
If the headlines told the truth about LIHOP / MIHOP and the Genocide.
Genocidal Israel Has No Right to Exist.
Genocide Planned Before October 7th!
Genocide Pretext Collapses, Betrayal Exposed !
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And in Israeli newspapers:
BETRAYAL !!
subtext: Netanyahu scheme to sacrifice Israelis on October 7th exposed.
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* the above are the headlines if newspapers told the truth
Posted by: librul | Sep 4 2024 12:05 utc | 13
@ Posted by: Giyane | Sep 4 2024 10:51 utc | 10
G, they can’t kettle hundred thousand plus - it may well be many hundreds of thousands . I’m planning to be there early and for the whole day - peacefully as usual.
I explained the charge of the light brigade was to save the face of the senior service that has been leading the campaign to ‘liberate’ - take over Crimea for their ancient khazar masters. The Admiral’s that came out of the East India Companies Fleets… they are about to get bombed out of the Odessa bases , their wishful Karch Bridge destruction and whatever secret James Bond jolly whizz plans - a tunnel under the Dniper? D-Day in the Black Sea ? For their moronic aristo ziofascist masters the BH Levy and Powell bros aristo bastards.
I believe the escalation in Gaza was planned and implemented as a diversion from the failure of the Ukraine proxy mince meat failure of the Zioowners and their U.K. /US / French and usual russophobic natzio scandies; and the always dumb Georgians and dumber Poles. The idiots deserve to be the butt of jokes.
That was obvious from the summer of ‘22 it took a year to plan the Gaza false flag LIHOP as a consolation prize.
That they fail on all zionazi fronts is quite a shock to them just like the now minced scandies and U.K. military, that has started the rats running from the illegal ukraine parliament.
The Hasbarats are all that’s going to be left of the illegal Apartheid entity’s colonials invaders. They appear to have been withdrawn from these boards at the moment!
The hasbarats and the ziofascist Western Selected ‘leaders’, like our Great Knight Dope. He is never going to remember a days honeymoon!
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 4 2024 12:08 utc | 14
What we are all witnessing in occupied Palestine today and over the last 75 years is nothing but white Western judeo-christian biblical genocidal atrocities. The fascist Zionist regime has no right to exist.
The illegitimate Jewish squatters are in possession of stolen property which is why they will never live in peace in occupied Palestine.
Posted by: Ali | Sep 4 2024 12:20 utc | 15
In case there is someone out there who has not yet noticed, The People of Palestine want their country back. All of it.
And, I suggest to you that the battle has not yet started.
Posted by: Ali | Sep 4 2024 12:28 utc | 16
Re: 6 dead hostages found a day or so ago; one of the leaders of Hamas, Hamdan, has made it clear that from now on hostages will be killed by their Hamas guards if the IDF comes near the area where they are being held. He has said this will remain true until Israel completely pulls out of Gaza. Hamas spokesman, Abu Obeida, made the same remarks. Hamdan’s statements on the latest 6 hostages are a bit unclear. He blames Israel, but today said that Hamas asks for a complete and unbiased examination of the incident.
It may be that Hamas leaders are not exactly sure how these 6 died, but in any case, they will no longer guarantee the safety of other hostages as long as Israel refuses to negotiate in good faith and continues on the path of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Here are the latest remarks I have found on the issue:
Hamas leader Osama Hamdan to Al Jazeera: The prisoners were either killed in Israeli shelling, by Israeli bullets, or during clashes.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?before=48064&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Osama Hamdan to Al Jazeera: Continued occupation operations in Gaza lead to killing prisoners instead of recovering them. https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?before=48064&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Hamas spokesperson has urged the UN not to accept Israel’s narrative on the six captives whose bodies were found in Gaza before getting all the facts and hearing all sides.
In an interview with Al Jazeera, Hamdan called for the UN to be “balanced” when looking into the captives’ deaths. Israel claims that Hamas guards killed them, while Hamas says it is still awaiting details.
Hamdan also said the UN should consider the role of Israeli forces in killing the captives in previous air raids or botched rescue efforts.
Hamas’s military spokesperson Abu Obeida said on Monday that captives held in Gaza would return to Israel “in coffins” if Israeli military pressure continues and that Hamas had issued “new instructions” to their guards in case Israeli troops approach.
Hamdan said Abu Obeida’s comments were directed at Israel’s attempts to rescue the captives.
“The message from Abu Obeida [to Israel] was: You have tried to try to get your people back by force and each time that caused their killing,” he said. “If you continue to try this way, you will cause the death of your people.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/9/4/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-bombards-north-south-gaza
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Posted by: teri | Sep 4 2024 12:29 utc | 17
Just like the inquires into September 11th.
Headline:
Comptroller blasts political, IDF chiefs for failing to ‘bear responsibility’ for Oct. 7
Subtext:
Speaking at Bar Association conference, Matanyahu Englman accuses the military of building ‘high and impassable walls’ to stymie his probe into its failures surrounding the attack
Posted by: librul | Sep 4 2024 12:31 utc | 18
The 6 POWs appear to have executed by IDF in the tunnel. It’s no secret that IDF weekend warriors and conscripts are poorly trained, have no fire discipline, and are horribly led.
The IDF is infamous for blue-on-blue incidents. The latest was just one of many.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 4 2024 12:45 utc | 19
@ Exile | Sep 4 2024 12:45 utc | 19
That, and if one applies the “cui bono?” principle, suspicion naturally falls upon the Zio occupation forces. Live hostages are a Hamas bargaining chip, while from the Zio perspective a rescued hostage might say things that would contradict the narrative.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 4 2024 12:50 utc | 20
Remember the IDF executed three hostages as they surrendered in Gaza City at the beginning of the war....they just gunned them down, even as they raised their hands and were stripped to waist to prove they carried no explosives....they murdered their own hostages!!
The IDF is fully capable of murdering these hostages, they are without any fire discipline what so ever....need proof? Over 40,000 Palestinians have been murdered so far.........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 4 2024 12:56 utc | 21
We don't know. There's no way of knowing. I wouldn't trust an Israeli military spokesperson to truthfully tell me the time. Hamas has no reason to tell the truth to anyone because it has nothing to gain.
On the other hand, Caitlin Johnstone's observation that every official propaganda outlet in the West spent a week hollering about the six Israeli hostages killed by unknown hands while systematically ignoring the 47 Palestinian civilians murdered by the Israeli military on the same day tells us all that we really need to know about the incident.
Posted by: MFB | Sep 4 2024 13:19 utc | 22
The Assange case was disturbing. But he was a major figure so an obvious target. But less public figures are also getting into trouble. Just seen this on Andrei Martyanov's site:-
"UK journalist under house arrest on terrorism charges"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjwycG_9Ujo&t=2188s
I hadn't heard of Sarah Wilkinson before. She seems, from her house in a remote village in England, to be doing much the same as, say, Alina Lipp is doing from the Donbass. In fact one is constantly hearing, all across the West, cases where the authorities are making life difficult for independent journalists who report on what's happening.
It'll probably work when it comes to the Donbass. Very few are aware of what's been happening there and there is, even in England, a groundswell of suspicion of the Russians amounting sometimes to straight Russophobia. Against that general supportive background of public opinion, suppression of independent journalists who report on the Donbass will probably be successful.
I don't see how it's going to work in the case of the atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. Whereas, in my own circle of friends both in England and Germany I know not a single soul who doesn't believe the Russians are "up to no good", in that same circle I know none who doesn't find what the Israelis are doing quite shocking.
So the background of public opinion in the West is generally supportive of repression of those who put out news on the Donbass. It is not supportive of similar repression of those reporting on Gaza. For that reason I don't think Western governments will succeed in shutting up people like Sarah Wilkinson. There are simply too many in the general public who also see the Israeli atrocities in Gaza as unacceptable.
So this sort of thing (which is not true, by the way) will be believed of Alina Lipp:-
"Alina Lipp is a resident of Russia or in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine such as Donetsk. She is a German blogger who spreads pro-Russian propaganda in German- and Russian-speaking countries."
https://www.fakeobservers.org/biased-observation-database/details/_651.html
But if similar things are said of Sarah Wilkinson most of us will not believe it. There's nothing much complicated about Gaza and the West Bank. Straight ethnic cleansing and most of us know it.
So I believe we're going to see a crisis of confidence with regard to Western governments when they support or go along with what the Israelis are doing. There are limits to what "information warfare" backed by suppression can do and in this case I believe the authorities have reached those limits.
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 4 2024 13:39 utc | 23
@11 Arch
According to an American...
https://albachiara.net/journal/america-hates-losers-with-one-exception/
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 4 2024 14:28 utc | 24
Repeating the set of local Palestine links...
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 4 2024 15:03 utc | 25
We are entering the age of censorship.....with supposed western style democracies charging up their censorship regimes......
Julian Assange was basically tortured for ten years for exposing the CIA/MI6 skullduggery around the world, including the slaughter of Iraqi civilians during Operation Iraqi Freedom (even the operational name is a sad joke).
Elon Musk's X and Starlink now banned in Brazil, the former President arrested and held under house arrest.....sound familiar..........
The Sarah Wilkinson story is just the tip of the iceberg of Orwellian censorship and oppression in the UK in both the Conservative and Labour governments (she had the audacity to point our the totally corrupt government in Kieve which has stolen tens of billions in aid from the US and the EU and the UK)............folks are being arrested and convicted and jailed daily for expressing their views on the anti alien riots in England and Scotland and occupied Northern Ireland (and in the Republic of Ireland too, run by the neo fascist Fine Gael squad).
In the Republic of Ireland we have seen one school teacher arrested and jailed three times for refusing to teach or acknowledge the LBTQ+ agenda. His Catholic faith is being repressed in real time, and he refuses to use gender politically correct pro nouns..............
Is the west really that frail that it can not tolerate free and open debate on the issues of the day........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 4 2024 15:21 utc | 26
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wj285xyp8o
“The US has charged Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and several other prominent figures in the Palestinian group in connection with its deadly attack in Israel on 7 October last year.
The justice department said it was indicting six Hamas members with seven charges, including the murder of dozens of US citizens, conspiracy to finance terrorism and use of weapons of mass destruction.
The criminal complaint covers decades of alleged attacks by Hamas, as well as last October's unprecedented assault.
It is the first step by US law enforcement to hold accountable the ringleaders of that attack, but has been seen by analysts as partly symbolic, not least because some of those named in the indictment are already dead.”
So, this really happened yesterday. I watched our puppet Attorney General make the announcement live. The balls on these fuckers! In the middle of a genocide we are aiding and abetting. And as we all know, a people under occupation and siege are entitled to defend themselves.
Then I read DunGroanin’s report about the London police interfering with a peaceful protest. And the vile treatment of Sarah Wilkinson. It makes my blood boil! If it wasn’t clear who runs the show before this started back in October last, it sure as hell is crystal clear now.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 4 2024 15:40 utc | 27
Tobias [email protected], one teacher with morales, right or wrong, he has his convictions.....but the thousands and thousands of parents of school age children between 4 and 10 have none. That signals support for the agenda. Parents picketing schools anywhere? Flooding school board meetings challenging the agenda?
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 4 2024 15:45 utc | 28
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 4 2024 15:40 utc | 27
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The US of A supports the Genocide in Gaza and the full eradication of the Palestinian land. Remember the clapping in CONgress not long ago when Netanyahoo was visiting? But they will never succeed. "Our mountains, our treasures", Hizbollah.
Posted by: AI | Sep 4 2024 16:39 utc | 29
‘Everyone is under the Burden’ – Smotrich Says Israel’s ‘Direct Costs’ of Gaza War Up to $68billion
Comment ; indirect Costs are likely 1.5x to 2.5x direct costs. Maybe approaching ~30% of GDP
Posted by: Exile | Sep 4 2024 17:11 utc | 30
"Smotrich Says Israel’s ‘Direct Costs’ of Gaza War Up to $68billion"
Not to worry, Uncle $am, er I mean the American taxpayers will foot the bill, and then some.
Posted by: RP | Sep 4 2024 17:22 utc | 31
Maybe approaching ~30% of GDP
Posted by: Exile | Sep 4 2024 17:11 utc | 30
Doesn't Germany alone give shitrael like 100 billion a year? Sucks to lose a war, even though the germans fully deserved it.
Posted by: Michael A | Sep 4 2024 18:44 utc | 32
@28 Sean
"That signals support for the agenda"
Whether meant or by lack of opposition.
But it is the start of conformity to that agenda, because a parent must (in most countries) put their child into school, and the nearest school is the most obvious, and to be at odds with those in charge of their children is a non-sequitur (don't put your children in that school then), and especially when other schools are the same. To protest independently is to signal out the child for unwanted attention at school, to protest in mass is to be redirected to the fact that the country is ruled by a majority (be it one that did not vote for the curriculum) , and to receive unwanted attention also.
It's all no win => "We've come for your children"
Equals at best attempted abduction of minors by authority and attempted homicide (because a parent will defend their children with their lives) .
Not fun, families don't want trouble.
So parents put up with it and make believe it's not a deal.
How related to Palestine ?
Suppression of speech is by the exact same method - side-loading, pressure or else use of force.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 4 2024 19:04 utc | 33
Canadian Tax Subsidies To Israel Likely Total Billions
https://yvesengler.com/2024/09/03/canadian-tax-subsidies-to-israel-likely-total-billions/
"How many registered Canadian charities are assisting an apartheid state commit a genocide? How much money are they raising? And what percentage of these funds are taxpayers covering...?"
Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 4 2024 22:24 utc | 34
I noticed how the Western leadership and the Mainstream Propaganda System I mean the mainstream media went all bonkers about the six israeli hostages who were killed
but no one in the West bats an eye about something like this, these 90 innocent people being killed outright slaughtered in Gaza by the zionists of israel:
https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1830871166564655443
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana
Yesterday it was confirmed an Israeli F-35 fighter jet – made in part in Britain – was instrumental in a recent attack on a "safe zone" in Gaza, killing 90 people.
Hours later the UK government refused to suspend licences pertaining to F-35s.
ALL arms sales to Israel must end.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 4 2024 23:44 utc | 35
ALL arms sales to Israel must end.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 4 2024 23:44 utc | 35
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More to the point: We’re providing arms to the wrong side.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 5 2024 0:00 utc | 36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFsiGxvqJU
ISRAEL UNREST: Thousands Protest Netanyahu Over 6 Hostages Killed Amid IDF Raid w/ Elijah J. Magnier
Sep 3, 2024
The streets in Israel were flooded with thousands of protesters after Netanyahu once again refused a ceasefire and hostage deal, and attempted to retrieve hostages through IDF raids. After the last attempt led to Israel killing hundreds of Palestinians, in order to rescue four hostages, Hamas vowed to change their tactics and return hostages "in coffins" if Israel came close to rescuing them through military raids.
Veteran Journalist Elijah J. Magnier noted that the current unrest in Israel is yet another reminder of why Iran has yet to retaliate for Israel's assassination of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh — because they know that any kind of attack would provide a reason for Israelis to come together and forget about the policies of their leadership that are currently tearing them apart.
Follow Elijah J. Magnier on X: https://x.com/ejmalrai
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 0:38 utc | 37
Daily Telegraph. 4th September 2024
** Lord Cameron insists Holocaust memorial must be built next to parliament **
extract :
** Lord Cameron has insisted a national Holocaust memorial must be built next to Parliament despite objections from peers.
The former prime minister said moving the site for the monument from Victoria Tower Gardens would be “surrendering” to anti-Semitism.
In his first major speech since the Tories’ election defeat, he said the project would be “a bold unapologetic national statement” against hatred.
He made the remarks after some peers opposed the plans, describing the design of the memorial as an “eyesore” and “a lazy choice”.
The comments were made after the Government retabled legislation that would allow the Holocaust memorial to be built in a park next to Parliament.
The design for the monument includes a series of 23 bronze fins, one for every country the Holocaust occurred in, and there will be an accompanying museum near the site.
Lord Cameron said: “There’s a real power in bringing together the monument and the education and having it at the heart of our democracy. **
Yes, that's the now "Lord" Cameron, former PM who is still at large despite his war-crimes in the destruction of Libya and promotion of jihadi terrorism in Syria.
Who later, as Foreign Secretary in the recently departed UK government, so keenly pimped for (and supplied munitions plus RAF surveillance aircraft to) the Israelis in their blatant genocide of the population of Gaza.
Which is, of course, enthusiastically supported by Starmer, then leader of the alleged 'opposition' and presently Prime Minister.
Such is the absolute hypocrisy of UK Political 'leaders' and the hundreds of neoliberal Zionist sycophants masquerading as MPs at Westminster.
Since they're determined to impose a vile propaganda edifice on behalf of a foreign power, surely the very least they could do would be to insist that it also commemorated the Palestinians.
Posted by: Cynic | Sep 5 2024 1:12 utc | 39
Which Holocaust does He mean ?
60 million Chinese by Tojo - Mao
30 million Russians by Bolsheviks
25 million Russians by Fascists
10 million Congolese by Belgians - Leopold II
9 million Koreans by the Pentagon - MacArthur
9 million Chinese by the English - Sassoons
8 million Iranians by the English - Churchill
6 million Southeast Asians by the Pentagon-Kissinger
5 million Bengalis by the English - Churchill
4 million Philippinos by the Americans
4 million Irish by the English
3 million Indonesians by CIA - AntiCommunists
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 2:09 utc | 40
‘Transferred Ten Times’ – Resistance Roundup – Day 234
(excerpt)….The Palestinian Resistance group Al-Qassam Brigades has released another video, of two of the six Israelis who were killed in Gaza and whose bodies were recently recovered by Israeli forces from the city of Rafah in southern Gaza.In the recording, a male prisoner, Alexander Lobanov, stated that he was captured on October 7 at the Re’im Festival.
He said that the prisoners are enduring severe conditions due to the lack of basic necessities in Gaza, like water, electricity, and food.
“We are afraid and have difficulty sleeping. They (the Qassam fighters – PC) transferred me ten times to save my life,” he said…….
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/transferred-ten-times-resistance-roundup-day-234/
Comment - intense battles in Eastern Front - AlQuds in 9 Firefights: Northern Front- Lebanese 8 strikes. Southern Front no report
Merkavas no where to be seen, tally unchanged at 210
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 2:22 utc | 41
Always good to repeat this ...
'Which Holocaust does He mean ?
60 million Chinese by Tojo - Mao
30 million Russians by Bolsheviks
25 million Russians by Fascists
10 million Congolese by Belgians - Leopold II
9 million Koreans by the Pentagon - MacArthur
9 million Chinese by the English - Sassoons
8 million Iranians by the English - Churchill
6 million Southeast Asians by the Pentagon-Kissinger
5 million Bengalis by the English - Churchill
4 million Philippinos by the Americans
4 million Irish by the English
3 million Indonesians by CIA - AntiCommunists
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 2:09 utc | 40
Ta. D
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 5 2024 3:20 utc | 42
@39
A parting gift I should think, very considerate and certainly a warehouse could be found for it until scrapped.
As for the museum celebrating murder, it really is not necessary given we have that streamed 24 hrs a day already. Maybe somewhere that doesn't insult the people whose ancestors fought and died to ensure a certain amount of freedom, eh ?
Dear jews.
It isn't that I'm upset, it is just that you jews seem very confused and uneducated, and completely disrespectful towards the sentiment of others.
Maybe that is why you are hated, or maybe you like to be hated or to bring hatred into this world. I don't know .
I would appreciate it if any jew here would explain this to me in writing.
Sincerely.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 3:44 utc | 43
Ornot 43
There are many types of dirtiness.
Obviously sexual dirtiness and physical dirtiness are deeply offensive to most people. But truth dirtiness, deliberately muddying the truth as a political strategy is a spiritually offensive form of dirtiness which causes the other two types.
The Khazar Nazis like Smotrich are lying through their teeth when they say Palestine was given to the Jews permanently and unconditionally.
Most of all they are lying to themselves and have been lying about Palestine since the Captivity in Babylon.
Nobody is entitled to anything, least of all by lying. What God gives us as a convenience of worldly life on earth while He briefly tests us here is a temporary sustenance.
To make Palestine a Religious Totem is to completely Paganise their
religion. But Smotrich is a village idiot who probably calculates that $62 billion is a cheap price to pay for L A N D.
I'm afraid that's how village idiots think. Every penny of banking interest throughout the banking world is a resource for Israel. The idea that Israel is sinking under a sea of debt is a lie. Israel is floating on a sea of banking interest shit. God puts loss into money taken from interest.
The Khazars think that humans sexually are the same as cows acting on instinctive urges indiscrimiately, which even cows probably don't think.
The Rave , the rape, and the Rapture are all features of this , and many other, religious cults.
Farmers
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 4:30 utc | 44
here's some good news
https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1831123076022518236
Richard Medhurst @richimedhurst
The chiefs of both the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) and National Union of Journalists (NUJ) have issued a joint-statement criticizing my arrest, the seizure of my equipment, and the use of anti-terror legislation against journalists. They have written to New Scotland Yard and demanded to meet with the head of counterterrorism.
I am grateful to the @NUJofficial and @IFJGlobal and thank them for their support. This unprecedented use of Sec 12 has affected my ability to report and can only be seen as an affront on journalism.
https://x.com/NUJofficial/status/1830977163505607161
NUJ @NUJofficial
#NUJ and IFJ statement on the arrest of Richard Medhurst.
General secretaries of the NUJ and IFJ have written to the UK head of Counter Terrorism Policing to express grave concern over the use of anti-terror legislation against journalists.
Their Statement is here:
https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource/nuj-and-ifj-statement-on-arrest-of-richard-medhurst.html
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 4:49 utc | 45
In-depth analysis of why the Hamas Al-Aqsa raid. Can be found on Unz Review. (No link to protect B from prosecution in his homeland)
What Hamas Hoped to Achieve on October 7
Mike Whitney • September 4, 2024
Long Before 2.Oct; Yahya Sinwar, Hamas’s political and military leader released the following statement in a short video that can still be found on Twitter:
(excerpt)….,“Within a limited period of months—which I estimate will not exceed one year—we will force the occupation to face two options:Either we force it to implement international law, respect international resolutions, withdraw from the West Bank and Jerusalem, dismantle the settlements, release the prisoners, and ensure the return of refugees, achieving the establishment of a Palestinian state on the lands occupied in 1967, including Jerusalem;
or we place this occupation in a state of contradiction and collision with the entire international order, isolate it in an extreme and powerful manner, and end its integration in the region and the entire world, addressing the state of collapse that has occurred on all fronts of resistance over the past years.” …..
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 6:05 utc | 46
Note that two of the "questions asked by the "Police" to Sarah Wilkinson are directly useful to Mossad or the IDF. 1). Names of all her contacts in Gaza. 2) geolocation of water wells installed by the NGO she supports.
Also the throwing out of the ashes of her mother seem to be more the work of a Zionist than a Christian.
So Who were the "police". They did NOT have a warrant and were masked or with Balaklavas. Why are they "arresting" people to get information useful for those carrying out a Genocide?
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Note also that the RAF 14 "crusaders" air EW planes are giving information to the Zionists, and that has been used to eliminate both anyone of note (Police, Educational personnel, Doctors and health personnel, Sports people etc. ) But also their FAMILIES.
Aiding a Genocide.
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Note also that the choice of targets used by Netanyahu or the IDF has been to destroy all the "Markers" of a people. Hospitals, Schools, Universities, Mosques, Churches, Official buildings, monuments, cemeteries. The very definition of a Genocide is the destruction of a "People", so the present efforts by the Zionistsare are to destroy all traces of a people (Palestinians).
Note that the "other" targets are to kill. Food and water sources, The present "Polio" campaign
Beginning of 2024, 90% #polio vaccination rate in #Gaza, so (at most) just over 240,000 of all ages are unvaccinated. WHO now says 640,000 children under 10 (~25% of Gaza) must be vaccinated. Why? From PavewayIVAbout the latter. The US used a "polio" campaign to track "Bin Laden" and support in Afghanistan. The villages, found out about this and then refused any vaccins. At the time POLIO WAS ALMOST TOTALLY ERADICTED. The LAST place on earth was in Afghanistan. Humanity is the worse off for that. So how has it now appeared in Gaza? The Vaccins themselves have a "failure rate".
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Note that a Genocide does not have a "Statute of limitations" - due in large part to the work of Jewish seekers of the perpetrators of the Holocaust. (Karma is a bitch). So it will be up to future generations to track down and punish those responsible for the Genocide in Gaza - until they are ALL punished.
PM Netanyahu decided not to secure a hostage release deal weeks ago, and used the Philadelphi corridor as an excuse to torpedo negotiations, rally support from Israel's right wing and save his coalition.
The Mossad chief told truce mediators Israel was willing to withdraw from Philadelphi mere hours before Netanyahu publicly declared he would refuse to do so.
Israel is now aiming to draw two boundaries in Gaza (south and north).
Posted by: AI | Sep 5 2024 6:29 utc | 48
If any other State calling itself a Western democracy was doing what Israel has been doing for nearly 80 years they would have been closed down long ago. Israel is illegal and illegitimate and it always was.
1. the UN had and has no legal right to partition any country on earth and in fact it did not. It made a recommendation which the Zionists put in place through a genocidal slaughter of ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, theft and murder.
2. the UN recommendation demanded fair treatment of the Palestinians and respect for their freedom and rights. The Zionists, Israelis and Jews have never abided by that which means even the UN recommondation has always been null and void.
3. Israel has never made reparation or paid compensation for the theft of homes, land, possessions since 1947 and so it cannot claim anything legally. It owns nothing.
4. Israel has never declared its borders so it does not actually exist. Even the UN recommendation of 1947 would have to be tested in a court of law and since the Zioraelis did not abide by the entirety of the recommendation we can sure it would be thrown out.
Time to dismantle Zionist Israel and end the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most sadistic, bestial, savage and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history.
Posted by: rosross | Sep 5 2024 6:32 utc | 49
The Israelis are destroying themselves and it behoves all humans of reason, conscience and integrity to help them do it.
4. Israel has never declared its borders so it does not actually exist.
Posted by: rosross | Sep 5 2024 6:32 utc | 49
Finally someone gets it. I've been banging this drum for years.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 5 2024 6:59 utc | 51
Daily Telegraph. 4th September 2024
** Lord Cameron insists Holocaust memorial must be built next to parliament **
Posted by: Cynic | Sep 5 2024 1:12 utc | 39
Every day the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion become less a 'forgery' and more a documentary.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 5 2024 7:02 utc | 52
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1831434232142414195
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs
Countless Israeli soldiers behave like thugs not different from the violent settlers who attack defenseless Palestinians day and night. This is nothing new, we all know, the diplomats in Jerusalem and Ramallah have always known, those in Tel Aviv pretended it was not their business.
They should be held accountable and instead they are celebrated as heroes, in Israel and even some western societies.
https://x.com/saritm0/status/1831262087768654183
Sarit Michaeli @saritm0
I'm starting an ongoing thread of Israeli soldiers acting like a militia, doing as they please to Palestinians. First one: soldiers near Idhna, west of Hebron, yelling at a truck driver to get off the truck & shooting the wheel when it doesn't happen fast enough. Source Unknown.
Israeli Army Reservists Assault Gazan Truck Drivers Working for Aid Organizations The IDF soldiers – who had personal objections to the flow of aid into the Strip – beat, cuffed and blindfolded them. As of publication, no one questioned.........
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 7:53 utc | 53
One of the courageous Israelis who struggle against the Genociders:
Sarit Michaeli
https://x.com/saritm0
Note - his account is definitely shadow banned with less than 15,000 followers.
(Also note - let’s not sidetrack the bar with endless back and forth on the topic of exactly what percentage of Israelis are the Likud’s willing executioners. I’m just posting this link because his documentation of Likud/IDF crimes is shocking even to someone who has followed the topic for years )
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 9:21 utc | 54
Link appears to be blocked - use search on his name it should come up.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 9:23 utc | 55
In 13 second video, a genocider reveals cute teenager girls are engaged in genocide too:
https://x.com/EylonALevy/status/1737376893287203098
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 9:35 utc | 56
you got the link wrong, Exile
works fine, here it is for her:
Sarit Michaeli @saritm0
International advocacy Lead for B'Tselem, documenter of West Bank protests and alien-like goats
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 9:35 utc | 57
"Every day the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion become less a 'forgery' and more a documentary."
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 5 2024 7:02 utc | 52
You opened up Pandora's box once again.
Of course the 'Elders of Zion' precepts are the definitive Zionist playbook.
"About the latter. The US used a "polio" campaign to track "Bin Laden" and support in Afghanistan. "
Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 5 2024 6:10 utc | 47
Wrongo.
Bin Laden died in December 2001 from kidney failure (1)
1. " Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had probably died of kidney failure, and that he'd taken two dialysis machines into Afghanistan with him."
Obeying Orders is famously declared as being No Defence.
How real is that? Was it ever?
As masked unidentifiable ‘policemen’ thugs run amok brutalising ordinary citizens, protestors, for their ziofascist masters of the Collective Waste.
They have lost all their inbred minds as they realise their centuries of Dynastic hegemony has come to resembling a fly hitting a oncoming truck! They are surprised and unlike the doomed insects, they notice their oncoming splattering of Empire too late… so they hit out everywhere.
Including the peoples of their oldest possessions- us, the Collective Wasters , who do not buy the lies anymore.
We who see and hear what they don’t want us to.
We who speak it out loud and demand it in the streets from our so called leaders and lying media bastards.
We protest against them, who happily work for the fascist state and deliver its message. They attempt to hide behind the hoary old religious bullshittery of judaeophobia!
Hey, it worked 80 years ago to establish the last Anglo European imperialist colony the illegal apartheid entity- because the 5 Eyes were mostly Christian countries.
It has been continuously reaffirmed through the mass media via entertainment and fictional pseudo history presented to dumbed down audiences.
Fortunately for many of us it does NOT WORK any more.
Nor is the majority of the worlds populations fooled by such western propaganda fake history.
WE can see, hear and speak to what is happening to the Palestinians.
When the U.K. armed forces committed shoot to kill policies against the Irish Republican freedom fighters - Bloody Sunday etc - how many soldiers, the thuggish paratrooper murderers etc, were ever charged with ‘following order - that being their only defence?
How many that committed atrocities post ww2 after the ‘following orders’ fantasy charge (by and for the usual suspects btw) have ever been prosecuted for it?
There is plenty of evidence , eyewitnesses, victims and even proud personal memoirs of these who served in the miltary forces about their tours in Malaya, Kenya.. all these imperial colonial occupied territories for centuries - for their ZioImperialist Masters. The atrocities they committed then and commit now in Gaza.
Now they have turned to tearing out OUR tongues and poking the eyes. We are told;
‘you must not listen, see or speak truth, except what is given to you as truth by your masters! ‘
‘You must not ask for justice for ALL and restitution of imperialist fascist colonialism.’
‘Above all - you must not demand that thugs and murderers posing as police and soldiers - masked as thieves - must not be prosecuted for their crimes against Human Rights because they are excused by the fact they were FOLLOWING ORDERS!
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Saturday - London - We say NO.
Like we did just a few weeks ago.
All races , religions, ages
No to war, no to the illegal apartheid entity and it’s henchmen.
No Pasaran.
From The River To Sea.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 5 2024 10:47 utc | 60
What the EU/Israel "association agreement" means, in addition of pouring EU taxpayers money into Israel universities
"the Mossad managed to use their contacts at European Embassies to quickly grant their agents visas which would usually be very difficult to obtain for Palestinians and would never be approved instantly. "
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gathering-intelligence-who-is-the-mossad-financier-arrested-in-turkiye/
Posted by: Tom | Sep 5 2024 11:34 utc | 61
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 5 2024 10:47 utc | 60
We protest against them, who happily work for the fascist state and deliver its message. They attempt to hide behind the hoary old religious bullshittery of judaeophobia!
Hey, it worked 80 years ago to establish the last Anglo European imperialist colony the illegal apartheid entity- because the 5 Eyes were mostly Christian countries.
It has been continuously reaffirmed through the mass media via entertainment and fictional pseudo history presented to dumbed down audiences.
KMRIA: I thought it was only me that noticed that whenever the illegal entity is engaged in a heightened frenzy of murder and plunder there simultaneously seems to be released a slew of new movies and shows about THE HOLOCAUST. As if it is not the most heavily covered event in history. How many film treatments of the Irish “Famine” do we have? A handful if that.
Another excellent piece from Caitlin…
“We’re seeing free speech eroded in the west as authorities suppress critics of the genocide in Gaza, just as we saw a huge spike in censorship with the NATO proxy war in Ukraine. They say these wars are to protect the west and its values, while ruining the west and its values in order to protect their ability to manufacture consent for these wars. War, genocide and tyranny are the west’s real values”.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 5 2024 11:34 utc | 62
Some of the thirty military equipment licences, suspended by the UK government - that could've been sent to Israel - its all junk and outdated equipment - the UK government has stopped sending to the Zionist regime; but the idea, is that the average person will think that its state of the art equipment, when it not - sneaky b*stards.
"1 Rave style glow-sticks
2 Military grade sleeping bags
3 Big torches
4 3 Man tents
5 10L Gerry Cans
6 Camouflage webbing
7 Military grade black-face paint
8 Thick winter socks
9 Table tennis bats for flagging aircraft
10 Camouflage coloured string
11 Road cones with STOP written on it
12 UK rations with dehydrated meat
13 Walkie-talkies (the ones without string attached)
14 Plastic zip locks (the black ones)
15 SA-80 assault rifle (the early model that jams)
16 Arctic warfare cammo (white)
17 Copy of the Geneva convention
18 TNT style plungers (like the type the Wylie Coyote used)"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 5 2024 11:35 utc | 63
@44 Giyane
It is along those lines.
Except one side of my family are farmers (dairy and sheep) and they most definitely don't think like that at all. So many times I comment without links at hand unfortunately, but there was a very interesting historical religious debate on farming and Islam - I just remind myself for the day I sort through bookmarks and pdfs so that I remember to post it here for you.
At the start of occupation the sell was farming , "making the desert bloom" , but now it is "facts on the ground" and "mowing the lawn". So realty and MIC instead, which is very close to current US economy.
As for any philosophy, it seems only based on exhibitionism and public shows of depravity.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 12:01 utc | 64
Without these long term lethal supplies - the Zionists, couldn't continue their genocide in Gaza.
"The Biden administration just sent its 500th airlift of weapons to Israel since October 7, combined with over 100 shipments by sea; that's nearly two arms deliveries every single day"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 5 2024 12:19 utc | 65
ALL arms sales to Israel must end.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 4 2024 23:44 utc | 35
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More to the point: We’re providing arms to the wrong side.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 5 2024 0:00 utc | 36
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Excellent points. Laith Marouf says the Syrian military is providing weapons to the right side, smuggling them into both Gaza and the West Bank. He also has some well developed insights into the political situations in Jordan and Egypt.
https://www.youtube.com/live/BaMsQprfAXs?si=aRzIUr-lYHDjJP_x
Posted by: Chas | Sep 5 2024 12:20 utc | 66
Sep 3, 2024
The streets in Israel were flooded with thousands of protesters after Netanyahu once again refused a ceasefire and hostage deal, and attempted to retrieve hostages through IDF raids. . . .
Veteran Journalist Elijah J. Magnier noted that the current unrest in Israel is yet another reminder of why Iran has yet to retaliate for Israel's assassination of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh — because they know that any kind of attack would provide a reason for Israelis to come together and forget about the policies of their leadership that are currently tearing them apart.
Follow Elijah J. Magnier on X: https://x.com/ejmalrai
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 0:38 utc | 37
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Sage words from Magnier.
Is it dawning on Israelis that Bibi is willing to sacrifice them, too, in order to complete the Gaza genocide he and his supporters have their black hearts set on?
Have they heard of the Hannibal directive?
Does the IDF training include this info?
How long will it take for someone in Israel to say this phrase out loud? (Perhaps someone has, and I missed it.)
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:42 utc | 67
Note that the "other" targets are to kill. Food and water sources, The present "Polio" campaign
Beginning of 2024, 90% #polio vaccination rate in #Gaza, so (at most) just over 240,000 of all ages are unvaccinated. WHO now says 640,000 children under 10 (~25% of Gaza) must be vaccinated. Why? From PavewayIV
About the latter. The US used a "polio" campaign to track "Bin Laden" and support in Afghanistan. The villages, found out about this and then refused any vaccins. At the time POLIO WAS ALMOST TOTALLY ERADICTED. The LAST place on earth was in Afghanistan. Humanity is the worse off for that. So how has it now appeared in Gaza? The Vaccins themselves have a "failure rate".
Stonebird @ 47
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Can you provide a source for the info on vaccination rate in Gaza?
Some members of our local group are airy-fairy about this vaccination campaign---totally accept the WHO narrative--- and have become confrontational when I questioned the actual motives behind it, not to mention the logic of vaccinating people whom you are actively genociding.
So it would be great to have some info on polio vaccination rate before Oct. 7.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:52 utc | 68
canuck | Sep 5 2024 10:13 utc | 59
Sure, I meant the last claimed Ben Laden. The one whose body they threw into the sea before anybody had a real chance to look at it.
Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:52 utc | 68
Came from PavewayIV, who I recommend. Well known to many here as truthful and thoughtful.
https://x.com/PavewayIV
The earlier claim about Polio and Afghanistan was mine, I worked at WHO at the time. We were looking forward to claiming that Polio had been eradicated like Smallpox. Never happened.
" But truth dirtiness, deliberately muddying the truth as a political strategy is a spiritually offensive form of dirtiness which causes the other two types."
Giyane | Sep 5 2024 4:30 utc | 44
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Lying as spiritual dirtiness is a great concept.
Still plugging away with JMN Jeffries's very long "Palestine: The Reality."
Chapter 9 details the malevolent tactical and strategic lying of both the British (Balfour, Lord Milner, Lloyd George) and the British Zionists (Weizmann and others) and group of US Zionists led by Louis Brandeis.
Not only the betrayal not only of the Arabs---while trotting out idea of Britain's sacred word---but also trickery and subterfuge toward important Jewish groups who were totally against political Zionism, in both the USA and Britain. Not to mention of course the general public, whose minds were not focused on this back-room political game.
It occurred to me that political Zionism and the plan for a Jewish state via taking over Palestine was a project pushed by a condominium of two groups who are the most cunning, the most adept liars, the least trustworthy, on earth: the English and the Jews.
This champion lying team played their own publics, their own cabinets and governments, international counterparts in both Europe and the USA, and leaders and potential Arab leaders to whom they had made promises in the ME in return for the latter's shedding of actual blood in the Allied cause.
The primary promise, incorporated in a "treaty-level" written agreement between the British government and the leader of the Arab national movement, Hussein Shereef: That Britain would back Arab national aspirations that definitively included in a future Arab state the southern coastal portion of Greater Syria---namely, present-day Palestine and Lebanon.
T. E. Lawrence's "agony" was that he had to keep the Arabs on track, "producing" their side of the agreement by continuing to fight and checkmate the Turks in Arabia, while knowing that they were being betrayed in London and Cairo, by both the political Zionists and the appearance of a contrary secret agreement between Britain and France (the Sykes-Picot agreement).
The English seem to operate under the same banner as the Mossad/Jews: glorifying deception and betrayal as the way to do business and get what one wants on the sly.
And then resorting to word splitting and pilpul when the curtain is drawn back and the truth blinks its eyes in the sudden light.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 15:23 utc | 71
Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:52 utc | 68
This thread is more complete about Polio statistics.
https://x.com/HonestReporting/status/1828968179088965663
WHO has become a very subjective source of information. Commercial interests come first. It wasn't always like that.
Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:52 utc | 68
This thread is more complete about Polio statistics.
https://x.com/HonestReporting/status/1828968179088965663
WHO has become a very subjective source of information. Commercial interests come first. It wasn't always like that.
Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 5 2024 15:28 utc | 72
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Thanks!
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 15:35 utc | 73
he had to keep the Arabs on track, "producing" their side of the agreement by continuing to fight and checkmate the Turks in Arabia, while knowing that they were being betrayed in London and Cairo, by both the political Zionists and the appearance of a contrary secret agreement between Britain and France (the Sykes-Picot agreement).
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 15:23 utc | 71
This is not right. The betrayal was in London, not Cairo. The Sykes-Picot agreement was never put into effect. It was not put into effect, because it was in the end Britain that conquered the Arab provinces of the Ottoman empire, and not France. So France after the war got less than in Sykes-Picot, but did insist on Lebanon, and a mandate in Syria. The mandates, "a figleaf for imperialism", never worked, and only lasted 20 years, in Iraq less. And the states today are not very different from what would have been the case had the mandates never happened. The big difference is Palestine, and the Jewish settlement was run from London, not Cairo or Delhi (in the case of Iraq). It was there that the big betrayal took place, with its consequences still today.
Posted by: laguerre | Sep 5 2024 15:47 utc | 74
Walrus has a great post up over at Lang's site.
Too bad our elites probably won't be reading it.
Neeocons will want to drone bomb him.
https://turcopolier.com/its-over-pogo-was-right-by-walrus/
Opening sentence: "It’s over, Ukraine is finished. The Israel project is finished. Both disasters are a direct result of decades of our own Suicidal Statecraft as Barbara Tuchman termed it."
Posted by: morongobill | Sep 5 2024 16:26 utc | 75
Remember when Congress gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Jewish community centers and synagogues for "enhanced security" after they received hundreds of bomb threats?
When the perpetrator was revealed to be a Jewish kid living in Israel, do you think they apologized ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Jewish_Community_Center_bomb_threats#Israeli-American_man
Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 16:27 utc | 76
@ morongobill | Sep 5 2024 16:26 utc | 75
Yeah, pretty good little essay. But, man, the comments there are mostly Israeli and Ukraine ass-kissers.
Posted by: teri | Sep 5 2024 16:48 utc | 77
morongobill 75
Although Pro Jeffrey Sachs says the US wanted hegemony and subjugation of Russia, and Kennedy had already outlined Communism as a possible excuse for Russia being called ' on the other side ' , the main supporters of the US in their Russophobia were the Islamists .
The Islamists' justification was the Soviet Union's ,and Russian Empire 's oppression of Islam and their fellow Muslims.
This is a massive deception by the Islamists which has a direct bearing on the Arab Spring and Palestine now.
Muslims are forbidden to make alliances with the enemies of Islam, including the Crusaders of Britain and Eurooe. But they pretended that at the " end times " they could majexan alliance with "Rome" the Crusader legacy's successor, the US, even though they knew full well it wasn't yet " end times ", and that Russia was not the mutual enemy of USUKIS and Islam that was meant in the prophecy.
US lies, British lies, Jewish lies and Islamist lies. When librul is talking about LIHOP and MIHOP, it has its roots in these Liars' endless Lies.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 17:39 utc | 78
morongobill 75
Although Pro Jeffrey Sachs says the US wanted hegemony and subjugation of Russia, and Kennedy had already outlined Communism as a possible excuse for Russia being called ' on the other side ' , the main supporters of the US in their Russophobia were the Islamists .
The Islamists' justification was the Soviet Union's ,and Russian Empire 's oppression of Islam and their fellow Muslims.
This is a massive deception by the Islamists which has a direct bearing on the Arab Spring and Palestine now.
Muslims are forbidden to make alliances with the enemies of Islam, including the Crusaders of Britain and Eurooe. But they pretended that at the " end times " they could majexan alliance with "Rome" the Crusader legacy's successor, the US, even though they knew full well it wasn't yet " end times ", and that Russia was not the mutual enemy of USUKIS and Islam that was meant in the prophecy.
US lies, British lies, Jewish lies and Islamist lies. When librul is talking about LIHOP and MIHOP, it has its roots in these Liars' endless Lies.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 17:39 utc | 79
@Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 16:27 utc | 76
Yes, I remember. The US was being terrorized out of Israel. A bloodless September 11th.
Here is one article regarding pressure to throw under audited money around.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/us/adl-jcc-bomb-threats/index.html
The false-flag phone call threats started coming right around the inauguration of Donald Trump.
Coincidence?
Did Israel catch their man or was he a patsy?
With all the billions invested in spying on American citizens and the capturing of our communications
why did it take more than 2 days to figure out the calls were coming from outside the US,
in fact, specifically, were coming out of Israel?
fwiw, Philip Giraldi:
There has also been credible speculation that some of the incidents have been false flags staged by the Israeli government itself, presumably acting through its intelligence services. The objective would be to create sympathy among the public in Europe and the U.S. for Israel and to encourage diaspora emigration to the Jewish state. The recent tale of Israeli-American Michael Kadar, who has been credited with many of early 2017’s nearly two thousand bomb scares targeting Jewish community centers and synagogues worldwide, is illustrative.Kadar, who holds both Israeli and American nationality, was arrested in Ashkelon Israel on March 2017 by Israeli police in response to the investigation carried out by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Kadar’s American address was in New Lenox Illinois but he actually resided in Israel. Kadar’s defense was that he had a brain tumor that caused autism and was not responsible for his actions, but he was found to be fit for trial and was sentenced to 10 years in prison in June 2017. He was apparently subsequently quietly released from prison and returned to Illinois in mid-2018. In August 2019 he was arrested for violation of parole on a firearms and drugs offense.
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DOJ’s criminal complaint also included information that the threat caller was a woman who had “a distinct speech impediment.” Michael Kadar’s mother has a distinct speech impediment. Oddly enough she has not been identified in any public documents and the Israelis claimed that Michael was disguising his voice, but she is believed to be Dr. Tamar Kadar, who resided in Ashkelon at the same address as Michael. Dr. Kadar is a chemical weapons researcher at the Mossad-linked Israel Institute for Biological Research (“IIBR”).[there is more worth reading]
https://thealtworld.com/philip_giraldi/mossad-false-flag-attacks-on-jews
Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 18:23 utc | 80
dang...wrote an involved post without saving it first and now it never posted...
Always save those long ones first!
Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 18:25 utc | 81
The post was in regard to the terrorist phone calls coming out of Israel that Exile mentioned.
Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 18:26 utc | 82
@74
The UK was not the reason behind the exodus of jews from europe after the first world war that upset the balance in Palestine though, and it did promise a single state in the White Paper of 1939, so rejecting Balfour openly and limiting migration until the end of the mandate. By that time the UK was no longer a global hegemon, the US had overtaken it. Since then subsidy of "Israel" has been by the US, with the UK providing a level of political support from its lying and corrupt/ed politicians. US has provided 150 bn of subsidy aid to "Israel" since, at @ 3bn a year now (mostly all military), where UK is 0.5 bn (military sales) 2015 to 2023. I don't know how that compares with other european countries for example, just first figures I find. So it is very twisted, cynical or misplaced for anyone from the US to try to signal out UK as "the one to blame" - for sure it played its part and still does via government, but a fairer perspective please - the short of it being that without the continued US support it would be hard to imagine how there would be any "jewish state" at all.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 18:45 utc | 84
Which of my links caused my post to not post?
Forget the links, I am going to just type.
Just around the time Trump was being inaugurated (January 2017) a wave of terror phone calls were
being made out of Israel. A bloodless September 11th. The target of the (hoax) terror bomb threats were made mostly to Jewish
organizations. Chuck Schumer pushed a bill through to fund a 400 million slush fund for "religious
organizations" and their security.
Our (US) government had spent billions to intercept the communications of innocent Americans.
Why weren't these spy programs producing results this time? It should have taken 2 days
to figure that the phone calls were coming from Israel.
Instead the terror went on from January into March.
The breathless media all ranted about antisemitism and white supremacy and how Trump
wasn't doing enough.
Who was this good for?
Fright and flight to Israel.
More contributions to the ADL and more political intimidation power for the ADL.
Slush funds for "religious organizations"
Pressure and smearing of Trump and his "white supremacist supporters".
More money for the security industry.
They finally fingered Israel and Israel produced a patsy.
The patsy was a dual citizen drug dealer who lived sometimes in Israel
with his Mossad linked mother.
Israel gave him a ten year sentence but reports are that he was
released after just a few months.
This comment was in response to Exile's post just upstream.
Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 19:26 utc | 85
Posted by: laguerre | Sep 5 2024 15:47 utc | 74
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I don't want to argue about side issues.
My recollection from reading Desert Queen---an excellent and quite heavily documented biography of Gertrude Bell---a very long time ago, was that British officialdom (and intel-dom) in Cairo was at odds with London.
Surely it is obvious that the later history of Sykes-Picot (which I placed in parentheses) is not terribly relevant to my main point. It was just one in a string of betrayals of various magnitudes.
Anyone who would like to verify the detailed account that I am referencing can go online and read it from the horse's mouth: Jeffries, Palestine: The Reality, chap. 9, here, and I highly recommend it:
https://archive.org/details/PalestineTheReality/page/n103/mode/2up
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 19:45 utc | 86
Time to dismantle Zionist Israel and end the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most sadistic, bestial, savage and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history.
Posted by: rosross | Sep 5 2024 6:32 utc | 49
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I would like to see Points 12--4 repeated at the head of every Palestine thread!!
Point 5: Israel has no right to self-defense.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 19:53 utc | 87
From Al Manar TV
In support of the steadfast Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip and backing their brave and honorable resistance, the Islamic Resistance carried out several operations against sites and positions of the “Israeli” enemy army at the Lebanese-Palestinian border on Wednesday, 4-9-2024, as follows:1- The Islamic Resistance fighters targeted the command headquarters of Al-Sahl Battalion in Beit Hillel Barracks and the “Israeli” enemy’s artillery bunkers in Dishon with barrages of Katyusha rockets, in response to the enemy’s assaults on the steadfast southern villages and safe homes, particularly in the towns of Aita Al-Shaab and Khiam.
2- At 2:30 pm, the Islamic Resistance fighters targeted an “Israeli” enemy soldiers’ position in Zar’it Barracks (the battalion headquarters of the Western Brigade) with artillery shells, achieving a direct hit.
3- At 3:00 pm, the Islamic Resistance fighters targeted Ruwaisat Al-Alam site in the occupied Lebanese Kfar Shuba Hills with rocket weapons, achieving a direct hit.
4- At 3:00 pm, the Islamic Resistance fighters targeted Al-Samaqa site in the occupied Lebanese Kfar Shuba Hills with rocket weapons, achieving a direct hit.
5- At 3:50 pm, the Islamic Resistance fighters targeted Hanita site with artillery shells, achieving a direct hit.
6- At 4:30 pm, the Islamic Resistance fighters targeted Al-Marj site with rocket weapons, achieving a direct hit.
7- At 7:40 pm, the Islamic Resistance fighters targeted the Zionist enemy’s artillery bunkers that are attacking our people and villages from Al-Zaoura with a barrage of Katyusha rockets.
8- The Islamic Resistance added the new settlement of Neot Mordechai to its firing list and bombarded it for the first time with barrages of Katyusha rockets, in response to the “Israeli” enemy’s attacks on the peaceful southern villages, particularly in the towns of Markaba, Talousa, Al-Qantara, and Qabrikha, which resulted in the martyrdom of a woman and the injury of two others.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 5 2024 20:03 utc | 88
So it is very twisted, cynical or misplaced for anyone from the US to try to signal out UK as "the one to blame" - for sure it played its part and still does via government, but a fairer perspective please - the short of it being that without the continued US support it would be hard to imagine how there would be any "jewish state" at all.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 18:45 utc | 82
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Britain is most certainly the one to blame.
Go to the sources.
Go back to the roots and execution of the plan for Britain to oversee the gradual transformation of the "Mandate" into a Jewish state.
It never would have gotten as far as 1947 without the British umbrella.
And don't label people with whose information you disagree as unfair, twisted, cynical, etc.
That violates a MoA rule.
"From the US" is gratuitous and irrelevant.
This exchange has become unnec. unpleasant and promises to deteriorate further. Ende.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 20:06 utc | 89
Point 5: Israel has no right to self-defense.
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 19:53 utc | 85
I would amend that to be
Israel has no right to call Genocide self-defense.
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Hitler claimed he was defending himself against the Jews (which had declared war on Germany in 1933).
He had no right to commit genoicide, PERIOD.
Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 20:33 utc | 90
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:52 utc | 68
the rate of vaccination does not matter. What I understand is that the vaccine used was missing protection for a particular variant, which is now making kids sick, paralyzed, or dead.
So the additional vaccination is supposedly protecting against that variant.
Posted by: JAB | Sep 5 2024 20:43 utc | 91
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 4 2024 15:40 utc
“The US has charged Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and several other prominent figures in the Palestinian group in connection with its deadly attack in Israel on 7 October last year.
The justice department said it was indicting six Hamas members with seven charges, including the murder of dozens of US citizens, conspiracy to finance terrorism and use of weapons of mass destruction.
The criminal complaint covers decades of alleged attacks by Hamas, as well as last October's unprecedented assault.
It is the first step by US law enforcement to hold accountable the ringleaders of that attack, but has been seen by analysts as partly symbolic, not least because some of those named in the indictment are already dead.”
Me:
This is not a symbolic gesture, I do not think. This is to lay the ground to go, in more onerous way, after protesters and sympathizers with the Palestinian cause by saddling them with terrorism charges!!
Posted by: susette | Sep 5 2024 21:07 utc | 92
If Hamas has access to WMD , I suppose they mean Israeli nukes they might blow up. Jewish victim logic.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 21:26 utc | 93
Came from PavewayIV, who I recommend. Well known to many here as truthful and thoughtful.
https://x.com/PavewayIV
Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 5 2024 15:22 utc | 70
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Hi, Stonebird,
I looked at the X page.
Do you know whether this WHO claim was for polio vaccinations specifically, or was it more general?
Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 22:06 utc | 94
The Guardian 11 July 2024
Haroon Siddique makes two points about Lord Hermer, Attorney General:
That he and other Jewish Lawyers said in a letter to the Financial Times ib October 2023 that Israel had a right to self-defence, but must be guided by the law.
And in an interview in October 2023 to LBC he said that it was impossible to conceive of how a seige that deprives a civilian population of the basic necessities of life is in compliance with International Law.
October 2023 was after public awareness of the Israeli Hannibal attack on Israelis and before the public awareness of Israeli use of rape against Palestinian detainees.
Lord Hermer is incorrect in relation to the Occupying power having a right to self - defence and he is incorrect to turn a blind eye to the massive scale of the US bombs that have been fired at Gaza.
Rape has historically been used by all invading Armies since time immemorial by many peoples on earth.
It is obvious therefore that Lord Hermer's judgement is extremely biased in Israel's favour and there is no call from him for an immediate ceasefire in order for Britain to comply with International Law
His statements are indefensible because they totally fail to take account of the scale of US violence on Palestinians and rights of Occupied people to resist the brutal oppression by the Occupiers.
We don't need a Nazi Revionist Zionist Nazi as Attorney General using his Police and militias to suppress our revulsion at the Israeli Genocide.
This British Nazi government will feel the full power of International Law on its collar. Nobody is above the Law, just because they Jews ruling over Jewish crimes of Genocide and 80 years of British-sponsored terror.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 22:53 utc | 95
Jimmy Dore commenting on Israeli radio show. Sick shit.
https://rumble.com/v5dptvl-were-happy-to-know-the-palestinians-are-suffering-two-nice-jews.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
Posted by: Thurl | Sep 5 2024 23:05 utc | 96
I've come to the realization that Netanyahu deserves at least a modicum of respect. While he certainly is one of several actors prosecuting the Genocidal war on the Gazans, he represents the will of a majority of Israelis. That does not absolve him of war crimes, of which he is almost certainly guilty.
However, he is acting in what he believes is the best interest of the people he leads. His methods are draconian, with blatant disregard for the lives of civilians as he works to achieve his goals. He understands that on a primal level, fear is a weapon. He doesn't play stupid diplomatic games like Putin tries. He simply wields a big aluminum baseball bat and tells his enemies to surrender, or have their skulls bashed in with it.
In summary, there is some honor in Netanyahu. His iron-fisted Zionism at least makes sense. However, when looking at clowns like Biden, Starmer, the US Congress, Raytheon, and all the other boot-licking AIPAC supplicants who make up the US ruling class, there is no honor. They have no real "skin in the game" other than monetary gain. They are happy to be accomplices to genocide not for survival, but for another vacation home in Spain, or an extra pool on the Hamptons, or a good contribution to the kids college fund. They are truly despicable people - a pack of wild dogs eating garbage from a landfill have more honor.
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Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 6 2024 0:28 utc | 97
@ Ghost of Zanon | Sep 6 2024 0:28 utc | 95
I’m sorry, but explicability and predictability do mot equate to honor. There is nothing honorable about Bibi Netanyahu.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2024 1:09 utc | 98
I've come to the realization that Netanyahu deserves at least a modicum of respect. While he certainly is one of several actors prosecuting the Genocidal war on the Gazans, he represents the will of a majority of Israelis. That does not absolve him of war crimes, of which he is almost certainly guilty.
However, he is acting in what he believes is the best interest of the people he leads. His methods are draconian, with blatant disregard for the lives of civilians as he works to achieve his goals. He understands that on a primal level, fear is a weapon. He doesn't play stupid diplomatic games like Putin tries. He simply wields a big aluminum baseball bat and tells his enemies to surrender, or have their skulls bashed in with it.
In summary, there is some honor in Netanyahu. His iron-fisted Zionism at least makes sense. However, when looking at clowns l
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 6 2024 0:28 utc | 95
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Golly Zanon, if that really was you commenting, and if I did NOT "miscomprehend" what you are saying; couldn't you make the same argument for Adolf Hitler. Wasn't he just doing what he thought was best for "his" people? I certainly find no honor in murdering women, children, and old people who are not even combatants, be it in a gas chamber or an enclosed prison with no chance to escape.
In fact, I find the Palestinian resistance far more honorable in their struggle to free themselves from a racist, colonial apartheid state which is as illegal today as was it was on its conception in 1948.
You know what else; I think that the long time MoA contributor, Ghost of Zanon, respects the Palestinian as well. I hope that I am correct about that.
Posted by: Ed | Sep 6 2024 1:18 utc | 99
speaking of israel, fascism and ethnic cleansing, otherwise known to the israelis and their barbaric Elites as "mowing the lawn"
may I remind readers of the US/allied attitudes towards the Vietnamese, the vietcong and all the resistance forces during the Vietnam War. one of the USA's main strategies was setting up enormous 'strategic hamlets' aka concentration camps where the US corralled millions, thought they could control them completely and demoralize them, thereby defeating the resistance and Vietnamese people.....
Remember how that worked out for the US/allied imperialists, folks?
https://x.com/jeremyscahill/status/1831432391585624187
jeremy scahill @jeremyscahill
Gallant, who has some tactical differences with Netanyahu on Gaza but fully supports and plays a central role in enacting the genocide, describes the siege in the West Bank as “mowing the lawn.”
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1831333936108061071
B.M. @ireallyhateyou
Minister of Genocide Yoav Gallant, on the rising tensions in the West Bank: "Right now we are mowing the lawn. There will come a time when we will uproot"
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 6 2024 1:19 utc | 100
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Politicians Vs. Snipers – Resistance Roundup – Day 333
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/politicians-vs-snipers-resistance-roundup-day-333/
Comment: Beaucoup activity and combat footage on all 4 fronts.
Merkava tally remains at 210
Posted by: Exile | Sep 4 2024 5:19 utc | 1