sept 3
Hamas Issues Instructions to Guards to Kill Captives if IOF Approaches
https://english.almanar.com.lb/2189266
Anyone have knowledge about the 6 israeli hostages supposedly shot dead in gaza last week? Is there any credible non israeli info about this (shot in the head?) , was it really done, who did it, what does hamas say about it? Thanks for any assistance.
Confused.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 6:49 utc | 3

“When will the rest of the world and the Israeli public say, enough!””
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 6:31 utc | 2
Last I heard, the Occupiers were on general strike, not because of the Palestinians but because they want their lives back.
And not having to live under the constant fear of Hezbullah and Iran.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 4 2024 8:08 utc | 5

“Confused.”
Posted by: Fred | Sep 4 2024 6:49 utc | 3
Yes, we already got that part about you.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 4 2024 10:37 utc | 7

“But what can I do? I am just one person …”
… Said seven billion people …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 4 2024 10:45 utc | 9

Such bad losers. It’s so unBritish.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 4 2024 10:51 utc | 10
I can’t think of anything more British …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 4 2024 11:37 utc | 11

If the headlines told the truth about LIHOP / MIHOP and the Genocide.
Genocidal Israel Has No Right to Exist.
Genocide Planned Before October 7th!
Genocide Pretext Collapses, Betrayal Exposed !
—
And in Israeli newspapers:
BETRAYAL !!
subtext: Netanyahu scheme to sacrifice Israelis on October 7th exposed.
—
* the above are the headlines if newspapers told the truth

Posted by: librul | Sep 4 2024 12:05 utc | 13

What we are all witnessing in occupied Palestine today and over the last 75 years is nothing but white Western judeo-christian biblical genocidal atrocities. The fascist Zionist regime has no right to exist.
The illegitimate Jewish squatters are in possession of stolen property which is why they will never live in peace in occupied Palestine.

Posted by: Ali | Sep 4 2024 12:20 utc | 15

Re: 6 dead hostages found a day or so ago; one of the leaders of Hamas, Hamdan, has made it clear that from now on hostages will be killed by their Hamas guards if the IDF comes near the area where they are being held. He has said this will remain true until Israel completely pulls out of Gaza. Hamas spokesman, Abu Obeida, made the same remarks. Hamdan’s statements on the latest 6 hostages are a bit unclear. He blames Israel, but today said that Hamas asks for a complete and unbiased examination of the incident.
It may be that Hamas leaders are not exactly sure how these 6 died, but in any case, they will no longer guarantee the safety of other hostages as long as Israel refuses to negotiate in good faith and continues on the path of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Here are the latest remarks I have found on the issue:
Hamas leader Osama Hamdan to Al Jazeera: The prisoners were either killed in Israeli shelling, by Israeli bullets, or during clashes.
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?before=48064&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Osama Hamdan to Al Jazeera: Continued occupation operations in Gaza lead to killing prisoners instead of recovering them. https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?before=48064&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
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Hamas spokesperson has urged the UN not to accept Israel’s narrative on the six captives whose bodies were found in Gaza before getting all the facts and hearing all sides.
In an interview with Al Jazeera, Hamdan called for the UN to be “balanced” when looking into the captives’ deaths. Israel claims that Hamas guards killed them, while Hamas says it is still awaiting details.
Hamdan also said the UN should consider the role of Israeli forces in killing the captives in previous air raids or botched rescue efforts.
Hamas’s military spokesperson Abu Obeida said on Monday that captives held in Gaza would return to Israel “in coffins” if Israeli military pressure continues and that Hamas had issued “new instructions” to their guards in case Israeli troops approach.
Hamdan said Abu Obeida’s comments were directed at Israel’s attempts to rescue the captives.
“The message from Abu Obeida [to Israel] was: You have tried to try to get your people back by force and each time that caused their killing,” he said. “If you continue to try this way, you will cause the death of your people.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/9/4/israels-war-on-gaza-live-israel-bombards-north-south-gaza
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Posted by: teri | Sep 4 2024 12:29 utc | 17

The 6 POWs appear to have executed by IDF in the tunnel. It’s no secret that IDF weekend warriors and conscripts are poorly trained, have no fire discipline, and are horribly led.
The IDF is infamous for blue-on-blue incidents. The latest was just one of many.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 4 2024 12:45 utc | 19

Remember the IDF executed three hostages as they surrendered in Gaza City at the beginning of the war….they just gunned them down, even as they raised their hands and were stripped to waist to prove they carried no explosives….they murdered their own hostages!!
The IDF is fully capable of murdering these hostages, they are without any fire discipline what so ever….need proof? Over 40,000 Palestinians have been murdered so far………

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 4 2024 12:56 utc | 21

The Assange case was disturbing. But he was a major figure so an obvious target. But less public figures are also getting into trouble. Just seen this on Andrei Martyanov’s site:-
“UK journalist under house arrest on terrorism charges”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjwycG_9Ujo&t=2188s
I hadn’t heard of Sarah Wilkinson before. She seems, from her house in a remote village in England, to be doing much the same as, say, Alina Lipp is doing from the Donbass. In fact one is constantly hearing, all across the West, cases where the authorities are making life difficult for independent journalists who report on what’s happening.
It’ll probably work when it comes to the Donbass. Very few are aware of what’s been happening there and there is, even in England, a groundswell of suspicion of the Russians amounting sometimes to straight Russophobia. Against that general supportive background of public opinion, suppression of independent journalists who report on the Donbass will probably be successful.
I don’t see how it’s going to work in the case of the atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. Whereas, in my own circle of friends both in England and Germany I know not a single soul who doesn’t believe the Russians are “up to no good”, in that same circle I know none who doesn’t find what the Israelis are doing quite shocking.
So the background of public opinion in the West is generally supportive of repression of those who put out news on the Donbass. It is not supportive of similar repression of those reporting on Gaza. For that reason I don’t think Western governments will succeed in shutting up people like Sarah Wilkinson. There are simply too many in the general public who also see the Israeli atrocities in Gaza as unacceptable.
So this sort of thing (which is not true, by the way) will be believed of Alina Lipp:-
“Alina Lipp is a resident of Russia or in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine such as Donetsk. She is a German blogger who spreads pro-Russian propaganda in German- and Russian-speaking countries.”
https://www.fakeobservers.org/biased-observation-database/details/_651.html
But if similar things are said of Sarah Wilkinson most of us will not believe it. There’s nothing much complicated about Gaza and the West Bank. Straight ethnic cleansing and most of us know it.
So I believe we’re going to see a crisis of confidence with regard to Western governments when they support or go along with what the Israelis are doing. There are limits to what “information warfare” backed by suppression can do and in this case I believe the authorities have reached those limits.

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 4 2024 13:39 utc | 23

Repeating the set of local Palestine links…
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 4 2024 15:03 utc | 25

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9wj285xyp8o
“The US has charged Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and several other prominent figures in the Palestinian group in connection with its deadly attack in Israel on 7 October last year.
The justice department said it was indicting six Hamas members with seven charges, including the murder of dozens of US citizens, conspiracy to finance terrorism and use of weapons of mass destruction.
The criminal complaint covers decades of alleged attacks by Hamas, as well as last October’s unprecedented assault.
It is the first step by US law enforcement to hold accountable the ringleaders of that attack, but has been seen by analysts as partly symbolic, not least because some of those named in the indictment are already dead.”
So, this really happened yesterday. I watched our puppet Attorney General make the announcement live. The balls on these fuckers! In the middle of a genocide we are aiding and abetting. And as we all know, a people under occupation and siege are entitled to defend themselves.
Then I read DunGroanin’s report about the London police interfering with a peaceful protest. And the vile treatment of Sarah Wilkinson. It makes my blood boil! If it wasn’t clear who runs the show before this started back in October last, it sure as hell is crystal clear now.

Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 4 2024 15:40 utc | 27

Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 4 2024 15:40 utc | 27
+++++++++++++++++++
The US of A supports the Genocide in Gaza and the full eradication of the Palestinian land. Remember the clapping in CONgress not long ago when Netanyahoo was visiting? But they will never succeed. “Our mountains, our treasures”, Hizbollah.

Posted by: AI | Sep 4 2024 16:39 utc | 29

“Smotrich Says Israel’s ‘Direct Costs’ of Gaza War Up to $68billion”

Not to worry, Uncle $am, er I mean the American taxpayers will foot the bill, and then some.

Posted by: RP | Sep 4 2024 17:22 utc | 31

@28 Sean
“That signals support for the agenda”
Whether meant or by lack of opposition.
But it is the start of conformity to that agenda, because a parent must (in most countries) put their child into school, and the nearest school is the most obvious, and to be at odds with those in charge of their children is a non-sequitur (don’t put your children in that school then), and especially when other schools are the same. To protest independently is to signal out the child for unwanted attention at school, to protest in mass is to be redirected to the fact that the country is ruled by a majority (be it one that did not vote for the curriculum) , and to receive unwanted attention also.
It’s all no win => “We’ve come for your children”
Equals at best attempted abduction of minors by authority and attempted homicide (because a parent will defend their children with their lives) .
Not fun, families don’t want trouble.
So parents put up with it and make believe it’s not a deal.
How related to Palestine ?
Suppression of speech is by the exact same method – side-loading, pressure or else use of force.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 4 2024 19:04 utc | 33

I noticed how the Western leadership and the Mainstream Propaganda System I mean the mainstream media went all bonkers about the six israeli hostages who were killed
but no one in the West bats an eye about something like this, these 90 innocent people being killed outright slaughtered in Gaza by the zionists of israel:
https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1830871166564655443
Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana
Yesterday it was confirmed an Israeli F-35 fighter jet – made in part in Britain – was instrumental in a recent attack on a “safe zone” in Gaza, killing 90 people.
Hours later the UK government refused to suspend licences pertaining to F-35s.
ALL arms sales to Israel must end.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 4 2024 23:44 utc | 35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFsiGxvqJU
ISRAEL UNREST: Thousands Protest Netanyahu Over 6 Hostages Killed Amid IDF Raid w/ Elijah J. Magnier
Sep 3, 2024
The streets in Israel were flooded with thousands of protesters after Netanyahu once again refused a ceasefire and hostage deal, and attempted to retrieve hostages through IDF raids. After the last attempt led to Israel killing hundreds of Palestinians, in order to rescue four hostages, Hamas vowed to change their tactics and return hostages “in coffins” if Israel came close to rescuing them through military raids.
Veteran Journalist Elijah J. Magnier noted that the current unrest in Israel is yet another reminder of why Iran has yet to retaliate for Israel’s assassination of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh — because they know that any kind of attack would provide a reason for Israelis to come together and forget about the policies of their leadership that are currently tearing them apart.
Follow Elijah J. Magnier on X: https://x.com/ejmalrai

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 0:38 utc | 37

Daily Telegraph. 4th September 2024
** Lord Cameron insists Holocaust memorial must be built next to parliament **
extract :
** Lord Cameron has insisted a national Holocaust memorial must be built next to Parliament despite objections from peers.
The former prime minister said moving the site for the monument from Victoria Tower Gardens would be “surrendering” to anti-Semitism.
In his first major speech since the Tories’ election defeat, he said the project would be “a bold unapologetic national statement” against hatred.
He made the remarks after some peers opposed the plans, describing the design of the memorial as an “eyesore” and “a lazy choice”.
The comments were made after the Government retabled legislation that would allow the Holocaust memorial to be built in a park next to Parliament.
The design for the monument includes a series of 23 bronze fins, one for every country the Holocaust occurred in, and there will be an accompanying museum near the site.
Lord Cameron said: “There’s a real power in bringing together the monument and the education and having it at the heart of our democracy. **
Yes, that’s the now “Lord” Cameron, former PM who is still at large despite his war-crimes in the destruction of Libya and promotion of jihadi terrorism in Syria.
Who later, as Foreign Secretary in the recently departed UK government, so keenly pimped for (and supplied munitions plus RAF surveillance aircraft to) the Israelis in their blatant genocide of the population of Gaza.
Which is, of course, enthusiastically supported by Starmer, then leader of the alleged ‘opposition’ and presently Prime Minister.
Such is the absolute hypocrisy of UK Political ‘leaders’ and the hundreds of neoliberal Zionist sycophants masquerading as MPs at Westminster.
Since they’re determined to impose a vile propaganda edifice on behalf of a foreign power, surely the very least they could do would be to insist that it also commemorated the Palestinians.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 5 2024 1:12 utc | 39

‘Transferred Ten Times’ – Resistance Roundup – Day 234

(excerpt)….The Palestinian Resistance group Al-Qassam Brigades has released another video, of two of the six Israelis who were killed in Gaza and whose bodies were recently recovered by Israeli forces from the city of Rafah in southern Gaza.
In the recording, a male prisoner, Alexander Lobanov, stated that he was captured on October 7 at the Re’im Festival.
He said that the prisoners are enduring severe conditions due to the lack of basic necessities in Gaza, like water, electricity, and food.
“We are afraid and have difficulty sleeping. They (the Qassam fighters – PC) transferred me ten times to save my life,” he said…….
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/transferred-ten-times-resistance-roundup-day-234/
Comment – intense battles in Eastern Front – AlQuds in 9 Firefights: Northern Front- Lebanese 8 strikes. Southern Front no report
Merkavas no where to be seen, tally unchanged at 210

Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 2:22 utc | 41

@39
A parting gift I should think, very considerate and certainly a warehouse could be found for it until scrapped.
As for the museum celebrating murder, it really is not necessary given we have that streamed 24 hrs a day already. Maybe somewhere that doesn’t insult the people whose ancestors fought and died to ensure a certain amount of freedom, eh ?
Dear jews.
It isn’t that I’m upset, it is just that you jews seem very confused and uneducated, and completely disrespectful towards the sentiment of others.
Maybe that is why you are hated, or maybe you like to be hated or to bring hatred into this world. I don’t know .
I would appreciate it if any jew here would explain this to me in writing.
Sincerely.

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 3:44 utc | 43

here’s some good news
https://x.com/richimedhurst/status/1831123076022518236
Richard Medhurst @richimedhurst
The chiefs of both the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) and National Union of Journalists (NUJ) have issued a joint-statement criticizing my arrest, the seizure of my equipment, and the use of anti-terror legislation against journalists. They have written to New Scotland Yard and demanded to meet with the head of counterterrorism.
I am grateful to the @NUJofficial and @IFJGlobal and thank them for their support. This unprecedented use of Sec 12 has affected my ability to report and can only be seen as an affront on journalism.
https://x.com/NUJofficial/status/1830977163505607161
NUJ @NUJofficial
#NUJ and IFJ statement on the arrest of Richard Medhurst.
General secretaries of the NUJ and IFJ have written to the UK head of Counter Terrorism Policing to express grave concern over the use of anti-terror legislation against journalists.
Their Statement is here:
https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource/nuj-and-ifj-statement-on-arrest-of-richard-medhurst.html

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 4:49 utc | 45

Note that two of the “questions asked by the “Police” to Sarah Wilkinson are directly useful to Mossad or the IDF. 1). Names of all her contacts in Gaza. 2) geolocation of water wells installed by the NGO she supports.
Also the throwing out of the ashes of her mother seem to be more the work of a Zionist than a Christian.
So Who were the “police”. They did NOT have a warrant and were masked or with Balaklavas. Why are they “arresting” people to get information useful for those carrying out a Genocide?
**
Note also that the RAF 14 “crusaders” air EW planes are giving information to the Zionists, and that has been used to eliminate both anyone of note (Police, Educational personnel, Doctors and health personnel, Sports people etc. ) But also their FAMILIES.
Aiding a Genocide.
***
Note also that the choice of targets used by Netanyahu or the IDF has been to destroy all the “Markers” of a people. Hospitals, Schools, Universities, Mosques, Churches, Official buildings, monuments, cemeteries. The very definition of a Genocide is the destruction of a “People”, so the present efforts by the Zionistsare are to destroy all traces of a people (Palestinians).
Note that the “other” targets are to kill. Food and water sources, The present “Polio” campaign

Beginning of 2024, 90% #polio vaccination rate in #Gaza, so (at most) just over 240,000 of all ages are unvaccinated. WHO now says 640,000 children under 10 (~25% of Gaza) must be vaccinated. Why? From PavewayIV

About the latter. The US used a “polio” campaign to track “Bin Laden” and support in Afghanistan. The villages, found out about this and then refused any vaccins. At the time POLIO WAS ALMOST TOTALLY ERADICTED. The LAST place on earth was in Afghanistan. Humanity is the worse off for that. So how has it now appeared in Gaza? The Vaccins themselves have a “failure rate”.
***
Note that a Genocide does not have a “Statute of limitations” – due in large part to the work of Jewish seekers of the perpetrators of the Holocaust. (Karma is a bitch). So it will be up to future generations to track down and punish those responsible for the Genocide in Gaza – until they are ALL punished.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 5 2024 6:10 utc | 47

If any other State calling itself a Western democracy was doing what Israel has been doing for nearly 80 years they would have been closed down long ago. Israel is illegal and illegitimate and it always was.
1. the UN had and has no legal right to partition any country on earth and in fact it did not. It made a recommendation which the Zionists put in place through a genocidal slaughter of ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, theft and murder.
2. the UN recommendation demanded fair treatment of the Palestinians and respect for their freedom and rights. The Zionists, Israelis and Jews have never abided by that which means even the UN recommondation has always been null and void.
3. Israel has never made reparation or paid compensation for the theft of homes, land, possessions since 1947 and so it cannot claim anything legally. It owns nothing.
4. Israel has never declared its borders so it does not actually exist. Even the UN recommendation of 1947 would have to be tested in a court of law and since the Zioraelis did not abide by the entirety of the recommendation we can sure it would be thrown out.
Time to dismantle Zionist Israel and end the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most sadistic, bestial, savage and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history.

Posted by: rosross | Sep 5 2024 6:32 utc | 49

4. Israel has never declared its borders so it does not actually exist.
Posted by: rosross | Sep 5 2024 6:32 utc | 49
Finally someone gets it. I’ve been banging this drum for years.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 5 2024 6:59 utc | 51

https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1831434232142414195
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt @FranceskAlbs
Countless Israeli soldiers behave like thugs not different from the violent settlers who attack defenseless Palestinians day and night. This is nothing new, we all know, the diplomats in Jerusalem and Ramallah have always known, those in Tel Aviv pretended it was not their business.
They should be held accountable and instead they are celebrated as heroes, in Israel and even some western societies.
https://x.com/saritm0/status/1831262087768654183
Sarit Michaeli @saritm0
I’m starting an ongoing thread of Israeli soldiers acting like a militia, doing as they please to Palestinians. First one: soldiers near Idhna, west of Hebron, yelling at a truck driver to get off the truck & shooting the wheel when it doesn’t happen fast enough. Source Unknown.
Israeli Army Reservists Assault Gazan Truck Drivers Working for Aid Organizations The IDF soldiers – who had personal objections to the flow of aid into the Strip – beat, cuffed and blindfolded them. As of publication, no one questioned………

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 7:53 utc | 53

Link appears to be blocked – use search on his name it should come up.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 5 2024 9:23 utc | 55

you got the link wrong, Exile
works fine, here it is for her:
https://x.com/saritm0
Sarit Michaeli @saritm0
International advocacy Lead for B’Tselem, documenter of West Bank protests and alien-like goats

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 9:35 utc | 57

“About the latter. The US used a “polio” campaign to track “Bin Laden” and support in Afghanistan. ”
Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 5 2024 6:10 utc | 47
Wrongo.
Bin Laden died in December 2001 from kidney failure (1)
1. ” Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had probably died of kidney failure, and that he’d taken two dialysis machines into Afghanistan with him.”

Posted by: canuck | Sep 5 2024 10:13 utc | 59

What the EU/Israel “association agreement” means, in addition of pouring EU taxpayers money into Israel universities
“the Mossad managed to use their contacts at European Embassies to quickly grant their agents visas which would usually be very difficult to obtain for Palestinians and would never be approved instantly. ”
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gathering-intelligence-who-is-the-mossad-financier-arrested-in-turkiye/

Posted by: Tom | Sep 5 2024 11:34 utc | 61

Some of the thirty military equipment licences, suspended by the UK government – that could’ve been sent to Israel – its all junk and outdated equipment – the UK government has stopped sending to the Zionist regime; but the idea, is that the average person will think that its state of the art equipment, when it not – sneaky b*stards.
“1 Rave style glow-sticks
2 Military grade sleeping bags
3 Big torches
4 3 Man tents
5 10L Gerry Cans
6 Camouflage webbing
7 Military grade black-face paint
8 Thick winter socks
9 Table tennis bats for flagging aircraft
10 Camouflage coloured string
11 Road cones with STOP written on it
12 UK rations with dehydrated meat
13 Walkie-talkies (the ones without string attached)
14 Plastic zip locks (the black ones)
15 SA-80 assault rifle (the early model that jams)
16 Arctic warfare cammo (white)
17 Copy of the Geneva convention
18 TNT style plungers (like the type the Wylie Coyote used)”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 5 2024 11:35 utc | 63

Without these long term lethal supplies – the Zionists, couldn’t continue their genocide in Gaza.
“The Biden administration just sent its 500th airlift of weapons to Israel since October 7, combined with over 100 shipments by sea; that’s nearly two arms deliveries every single day”
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/09/04/732651/500th-US-airlift-of-arms-to-Israel-sparks-more-protests

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 5 2024 12:19 utc | 65

Sep 3, 2024
The streets in Israel were flooded with thousands of protesters after Netanyahu once again refused a ceasefire and hostage deal, and attempted to retrieve hostages through IDF raids. . . .
Veteran Journalist Elijah J. Magnier noted that the current unrest in Israel is yet another reminder of why Iran has yet to retaliate for Israel’s assassination of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh — because they know that any kind of attack would provide a reason for Israelis to come together and forget about the policies of their leadership that are currently tearing them apart.
Follow Elijah J. Magnier on X: https://x.com/ejmalrai
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 5 2024 0:38 utc | 37
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Sage words from Magnier.
Is it dawning on Israelis that Bibi is willing to sacrifice them, too, in order to complete the Gaza genocide he and his supporters have their black hearts set on?
Have they heard of the Hannibal directive?
Does the IDF training include this info?
How long will it take for someone in Israel to say this phrase out loud? (Perhaps someone has, and I missed it.)

Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:42 utc | 67

canuck | Sep 5 2024 10:13 utc | 59
Sure, I meant the last claimed Ben Laden. The one whose body they threw into the sea before anybody had a real chance to look at it.

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 5 2024 15:08 utc | 69

” But truth dirtiness, deliberately muddying the truth as a political strategy is a spiritually offensive form of dirtiness which causes the other two types.”
Giyane | Sep 5 2024 4:30 utc | 44
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Lying as spiritual dirtiness is a great concept.
Still plugging away with JMN Jeffries’s very long “Palestine: The Reality.”
Chapter 9 details the malevolent tactical and strategic lying of both the British (Balfour, Lord Milner, Lloyd George) and the British Zionists (Weizmann and others) and group of US Zionists led by Louis Brandeis.
Not only the betrayal not only of the Arabs—while trotting out idea of Britain’s sacred word—but also trickery and subterfuge toward important Jewish groups who were totally against political Zionism, in both the USA and Britain. Not to mention of course the general public, whose minds were not focused on this back-room political game.
It occurred to me that political Zionism and the plan for a Jewish state via taking over Palestine was a project pushed by a condominium of two groups who are the most cunning, the most adept liars, the least trustworthy, on earth: the English and the Jews.
This champion lying team played their own publics, their own cabinets and governments, international counterparts in both Europe and the USA, and leaders and potential Arab leaders to whom they had made promises in the ME in return for the latter’s shedding of actual blood in the Allied cause.
The primary promise, incorporated in a “treaty-level” written agreement between the British government and the leader of the Arab national movement, Hussein Shereef: That Britain would back Arab national aspirations that definitively included in a future Arab state the southern coastal portion of Greater Syria—namely, present-day Palestine and Lebanon.
T. E. Lawrence’s “agony” was that he had to keep the Arabs on track, “producing” their side of the agreement by continuing to fight and checkmate the Turks in Arabia, while knowing that they were being betrayed in London and Cairo, by both the political Zionists and the appearance of a contrary secret agreement between Britain and France (the Sykes-Picot agreement).
The English seem to operate under the same banner as the Mossad/Jews: glorifying deception and betrayal as the way to do business and get what one wants on the sly.
And then resorting to word splitting and pilpul when the curtain is drawn back and the truth blinks its eyes in the sudden light.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 15:23 utc | 71

Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:52 utc | 68
This thread is more complete about Polio statistics.
https://x.com/HonestReporting/status/1828968179088965663
WHO has become a very subjective source of information. Commercial interests come first. It wasn’t always like that.
Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 5 2024 15:28 utc | 72
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Thanks!

Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 15:35 utc | 73

Walrus has a great post up over at Lang’s site.
Too bad our elites probably won’t be reading it.
Neeocons will want to drone bomb him.
https://turcopolier.com/its-over-pogo-was-right-by-walrus/
Opening sentence: “It’s over, Ukraine is finished. The Israel project is finished. Both disasters are a direct result of decades of our own Suicidal Statecraft as Barbara Tuchman termed it.”

Posted by: morongobill | Sep 5 2024 16:26 utc | 75

@ morongobill | Sep 5 2024 16:26 utc | 75
Yeah, pretty good little essay. But, man, the comments there are mostly Israeli and Ukraine ass-kissers.

Posted by: teri | Sep 5 2024 16:48 utc | 77

morongobill 75
Although Pro Jeffrey Sachs says the US wanted hegemony and subjugation of Russia, and Kennedy had already outlined Communism as a possible excuse for Russia being called ‘ on the other side ‘ , the main supporters of the US in their Russophobia were the Islamists .
The Islamists’ justification was the Soviet Union’s ,and Russian Empire ‘s oppression of Islam and their fellow Muslims.
This is a massive deception by the Islamists which has a direct bearing on the Arab Spring and Palestine now.
Muslims are forbidden to make alliances with the enemies of Islam, including the Crusaders of Britain and Eurooe. But they pretended that at the ” end times ” they could majexan alliance with “Rome” the Crusader legacy’s successor, the US, even though they knew full well it wasn’t yet ” end times “, and that Russia was not the mutual enemy of USUKIS and Islam that was meant in the prophecy.
US lies, British lies, Jewish lies and Islamist lies. When librul is talking about LIHOP and MIHOP, it has its roots in these Liars’ endless Lies.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 17:39 utc | 79

dang…wrote an involved post without saving it first and now it never posted…
Always save those long ones first!

Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 18:25 utc | 81

lunch first, recreate the post later (maybe)

Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 18:27 utc | 83

Which of my links caused my post to not post?
Forget the links, I am going to just type.
Just around the time Trump was being inaugurated (January 2017) a wave of terror phone calls were
being made out of Israel. A bloodless September 11th. The target of the (hoax) terror bomb threats were made mostly to Jewish
organizations. Chuck Schumer pushed a bill through to fund a 400 million slush fund for “religious
organizations” and their security.
Our (US) government had spent billions to intercept the communications of innocent Americans.
Why weren’t these spy programs producing results this time? It should have taken 2 days
to figure that the phone calls were coming from Israel.
Instead the terror went on from January into March.
The breathless media all ranted about antisemitism and white supremacy and how Trump
wasn’t doing enough.
Who was this good for?
Fright and flight to Israel.
More contributions to the ADL and more political intimidation power for the ADL.
Slush funds for “religious organizations”
Pressure and smearing of Trump and his “white supremacist supporters”.
More money for the security industry.
They finally fingered Israel and Israel produced a patsy.
The patsy was a dual citizen drug dealer who lived sometimes in Israel
with his Mossad linked mother.
Israel gave him a ten year sentence but reports are that he was
released after just a few months.
This comment was in response to Exile’s post just upstream.

Posted by: librul | Sep 5 2024 19:26 utc | 85

Time to dismantle Zionist Israel and end the longest holocaust in modern history and one of the most sadistic, bestial, savage and cruel military colonial occupations in all of history.
Posted by: rosross | Sep 5 2024 6:32 utc | 49
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I would like to see Points 12–4 repeated at the head of every Palestine thread!!
Point 5: Israel has no right to self-defense.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 19:53 utc | 87

So it is very twisted, cynical or misplaced for anyone from the US to try to signal out UK as “the one to blame” – for sure it played its part and still does via government, but a fairer perspective please – the short of it being that without the continued US support it would be hard to imagine how there would be any “jewish state” at all.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 18:45 utc | 82
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Britain is most certainly the one to blame.
Go to the sources.
Go back to the roots and execution of the plan for Britain to oversee the gradual transformation of the “Mandate” into a Jewish state.
It never would have gotten as far as 1947 without the British umbrella.
And don’t label people with whose information you disagree as unfair, twisted, cynical, etc.
That violates a MoA rule.
“From the US” is gratuitous and irrelevant.
This exchange has become unnec. unpleasant and promises to deteriorate further. Ende.

Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 20:06 utc | 89

Posted by: Jane | Sep 5 2024 14:52 utc | 68
the rate of vaccination does not matter. What I understand is that the vaccine used was missing protection for a particular variant, which is now making kids sick, paralyzed, or dead.
So the additional vaccination is supposedly protecting against that variant.

Posted by: JAB | Sep 5 2024 20:43 utc | 91

If Hamas has access to WMD , I suppose they mean Israeli nukes they might blow up. Jewish victim logic.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 21:26 utc | 93

The Guardian 11 July 2024
Haroon Siddique makes two points about Lord Hermer, Attorney General:
That he and other Jewish Lawyers said in a letter to the Financial Times ib October 2023 that Israel had a right to self-defence, but must be guided by the law.
And in an interview in October 2023 to LBC he said that it was impossible to conceive of how a seige that deprives a civilian population of the basic necessities of life is in compliance with International Law.
October 2023 was after public awareness of the Israeli Hannibal attack on Israelis and before the public awareness of Israeli use of rape against Palestinian detainees.
Lord Hermer is incorrect in relation to the Occupying power having a right to self – defence and he is incorrect to turn a blind eye to the massive scale of the US bombs that have been fired at Gaza.
Rape has historically been used by all invading Armies since time immemorial by many peoples on earth.
It is obvious therefore that Lord Hermer’s judgement is extremely biased in Israel’s favour and there is no call from him for an immediate ceasefire in order for Britain to comply with International Law
His statements are indefensible because they totally fail to take account of the scale of US violence on Palestinians and rights of Occupied people to resist the brutal oppression by the Occupiers.
We don’t need a Nazi Revionist Zionist Nazi as Attorney General using his Police and militias to suppress our revulsion at the Israeli Genocide.
This British Nazi government will feel the full power of International Law on its collar. Nobody is above the Law, just because they Jews ruling over Jewish crimes of Genocide and 80 years of British-sponsored terror.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 5 2024 22:53 utc | 95

I’ve come to the realization that Netanyahu deserves at least a modicum of respect. While he certainly is one of several actors prosecuting the Genocidal war on the Gazans, he represents the will of a majority of Israelis. That does not absolve him of war crimes, of which he is almost certainly guilty.
However, he is acting in what he believes is the best interest of the people he leads. His methods are draconian, with blatant disregard for the lives of civilians as he works to achieve his goals. He understands that on a primal level, fear is a weapon. He doesn’t play stupid diplomatic games like Putin tries. He simply wields a big aluminum baseball bat and tells his enemies to surrender, or have their skulls bashed in with it.
In summary, there is some honor in Netanyahu. His iron-fisted Zionism at least makes sense. However, when looking at clowns like Biden, Starmer, the US Congress, Raytheon, and all the other boot-licking AIPAC supplicants who make up the US ruling class, there is no honor. They have no real “skin in the game” other than monetary gain. They are happy to be accomplices to genocide not for survival, but for another vacation home in Spain, or an extra pool on the Hamptons, or a good contribution to the kids college fund. They are truly despicable people – a pack of wild dogs eating garbage from a landfill have more honor.
He und

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 6 2024 0:28 utc | 97

I’ve come to the realization that Netanyahu deserves at least a modicum of respect. While he certainly is one of several actors prosecuting the Genocidal war on the Gazans, he represents the will of a majority of Israelis. That does not absolve him of war crimes, of which he is almost certainly guilty.
However, he is acting in what he believes is the best interest of the people he leads. His methods are draconian, with blatant disregard for the lives of civilians as he works to achieve his goals. He understands that on a primal level, fear is a weapon. He doesn’t play stupid diplomatic games like Putin tries. He simply wields a big aluminum baseball bat and tells his enemies to surrender, or have their skulls bashed in with it.
In summary, there is some honor in Netanyahu. His iron-fisted Zionism at least makes sense. However, when looking at clowns l
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 6 2024 0:28 utc | 95
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Golly Zanon, if that really was you commenting, and if I did NOT “miscomprehend” what you are saying; couldn’t you make the same argument for Adolf Hitler. Wasn’t he just doing what he thought was best for “his” people? I certainly find no honor in murdering women, children, and old people who are not even combatants, be it in a gas chamber or an enclosed prison with no chance to escape.
In fact, I find the Palestinian resistance far more honorable in their struggle to free themselves from a racist, colonial apartheid state which is as illegal today as was it was on its conception in 1948.
You know what else; I think that the long time MoA contributor, Ghost of Zanon, respects the Palestinian as well. I hope that I am correct about that.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 6 2024 1:18 utc | 99