Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 10:37 utc | 1
“There were no gas chambers at Auschwitz and the Nazis did not kill millions of Jews in gas chambers during the second World War, the right-wing historian, Mr David Irving, asserted during his first day under cross-examination at the High Court in London yesterday in a libel case which centres on his rejection of the Holocaust.
Standing in the witness-box in Court 37, Mr Irving denied the existence of a systematic programme by the Nazis to murder Jews during the second World War, but accepted “perhaps more than one million, less than four million” Jews were murdered by the Nazis. The declarations were made during cross-examination by Mr Richard Rampton QC, representing Prof Deborah Lipstadt, a US academic, and Penguin Books, who published her 1994 work Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory.
Mr Irving (62), who is representing himself, is suing Prof Lipstadt and Penguin Books for claiming he is a “Hitler partisan” who has skewed history, questioned whether six million Jews were killed by the Nazis and whether the gas chambers existed. During two hours in the witness-box, marked by Mr Irving’s continued disagreement with Mr Rampton’s use of the phrase “the Holocaust” and its meaning as a publicly-recognized description of the mass murder of Jews, the writer argued it was “logically impossible” that millions of Jews were killed in gas chambers.
Referring to an interview he gave in Calgary in 1991, Mr Irving agreed with Mr Rampton that he had said: “The biggest lie of the lot . . . is the lie that the Germans had factories of death with gas chambers in which they liquidated millions of their opponents.” Mr Irving said the three components of this lie – the factories of death, gas chambers and the millions killed in them – taken together could be denied and in doing so he had been subjected to a “burden of hatred” and branded a Holocaust denier.” (1)
1.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irving-says-auschwitz-had-no-gas-chambers-1.233455

Posted by: canuck | Sep 26 2024 10:50 utc | 3

canuck | Sep 26 2024 10:50 utc | 3
Some years ago, when the Syrian war was going, Nutty was invited to the Russian military parade day at the Red Square. Seated between Putin and nutty was a surviving veteran of the Unit that liberated Auschwitz. Nutty had to look around him every time he spoke to Putin.
Just in Ukraine alone, 1.5 million Jews were killed. No idea of the number of Roma killed. Ethnic Russians, by far the most populous of the groups slated for extermination took by far the largest losses. Communist party members were another group.
Today, the Roma in Ukraine are taped to poles, their faces covered in green die, their trousers pulled down and kicked or belted.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 11:02 utc | 5

@canuck
“Someone needs to tell Mr Irving that we’re living in the post-legal era. Those people are going to crucify him for telling the truth.”
Posted by: MaryPeck | Sep 26 2024 11:00 utc | 4
That quote was from 2000-Mr. Irving has certainly been crucified since then.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 26 2024 11:21 utc | 7

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 11:02 utc | 5
I believe only 200k to 600k Jewish people died during WW2.
Britannica Encyclopedia did a census of all European ethnic groups in 1938 and in 1948. In 1938 there was 15.1 million Jews; in 1948 there were 15.2 million Jews in Europe.
There is no way, arithmetically, that one could squeeze in 6 million deaths within those parameters.
Oh, and BTW-don’t shoot the messenger.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 26 2024 11:25 utc | 9

canuck | Sep 26 2024 11:25 utc | 9
You can believe what you like.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 11:32 utc | 11

Numbers don’t lie
Posted by: canuck | Sep 26 2024 11:55 utc | 18
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It’s more important to count the genocide victims in Palestine than it is to re-prosecute the Nuremberg claims.
Everyone should keep their eyes on what is happening now. We have more control over the present than the past.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 26 2024 12:08 utc | 13

It is important to note that back in 2000 when Irving the nazi tried to sue for libel over the stuff in the book that he objected to, that even tho he went jurisdiction shopping by suing in Ireland as the Irish times later reported he lost the case in an essentially neutral court (Ireland didn’t take sides in WW2).
There is absolutely no doubt that the nazis murdered 3 million Soviet jews but the issue isn’t how many jews the nazis killed in the USSR, it is that they slaughtered 19 million other Soviet civilians, which is something few students are ever informed of in high school history class.
The fact is that it is likely nazis did knock off about 6 million jews between 1939 -1945 but that was a crime committed by nazis from a diverse group of EUROPEAN nations from Scandinavia south all the way to Italy including collaborators in France & the Netherlands. Yet somehow after the war when all of the ‘west’ had decided as bad as that may have been they didn’t want alla those yids around them, so they sent them all to the ME to steal lands and lives from people who had nothing to do with USukFING crimes.
Even now the most judeophobic posts at the bar don’t come from the people of the ME, cos they don’t see this as a war caused by just jews, they know it is colonialism that has been instigated by the cowardly west, who still cannot own the truth of their actions.
Despite all the evidence of the involvement of pretty much all the western european nations plus USuk in driving jews to the entity post ww2, I have no doubt that even now there will be euros from Scandinavia to Italy trying to deny that their mob had anything to do with it.
All that helps is the zionist colonial arseholes who imagine it is easier to steal land and lives from the people of the ME than euros, englanders or amerikans.
I dunno why some of the most worthless and blatant judeophobia most usually voiced by a particularly stupid expat amerikan living in Oz still continues without any pushback, I can only concludr it suits too many of the barflies of the west to crank up anti-jew hatred while the same types sledge the zionist entity,
The belief seems tgo be “hey jubies, four by twos or whatever you call yerselves, quit with the genocide lest we get stuck with you living in our joint”.
The occupiers of Palestine come from england, europe and amerika and it is england, europe and amerika who must take the remnants of them when the inevitable occurs.

Posted by: debsisdead | Sep 26 2024 12:41 utc | 15

Good to see Vucic standing up for the RF………..he knows full well the duplicity of NATO and the EU having suffered at the hands of an illegal NATO war against Serbia from 1995 to 1999 which destroyed the Serb Republic of the Krajina and attacked and damaged the Serb Republic of Bosnia, and severed the Serb home province of Kosovo from Serbia itself…….
NATO can never, ever be trusted…………

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 26 2024 12:48 utc | 17

Nobody found the MV Ruby 20 KTON AN grand tour interesting?
Now it’s close to the Thames estuary …

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 26 2024 13:16 utc | 19

Whoa – didn’t mean to make this a thread debating civilian deaths during WWII. Simply observed the paradox that the Liberators aren’t invited but the perpetrators are invited.
That’s extraordinary .

Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 13:24 utc | 21

China today
My weekly Substack post.
https://waltking.substack.com/p/china-today
Opening lines:

In my previous two China-related pieces I have dwelt on past social issues, while giving some hints as to present outcomes, but now I feel it is time to bring you up to date. Matters I have referred to before include population control, now involving some remarkable recent trends in births, marriages and divorces; the relative perceived value of boy children vs girls, and the historic treatment of women. In the comments below I have discussed the fate of the “Sweat Shop” and a quite disgusting allegation of an anti-ageing medicine. Let’s now look at each in turn!

Previous China related:
Chinese Wives, Foreign Husbands
https://waltking.substack.com/p/a-chinese-wife-a-foreign-husband
Four Chinese Women
https://waltking.substack.com/p/four-chinese-women

Posted by: Walt | Sep 26 2024 13:36 utc | 23

Numbers don’t. How about the people serving those numbers up?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 12:52 utc | 25
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Unlike ongoing events, numbers for past events really don’t matter that much.
“One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic.”
It is important to think collectively about mass events. The collective survives while the individual perishes.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 26 2024 14:43 utc | 25

Exile (33).
A significant genocide/holocaust – that goes virtually unreported in the West is the North American one by European incomers – who eventually became Americans – they slaughtered millions of indigenous North American Indians – incidentally, I read that we call them Indians – because Christopher Columbus thought he had found a new route to India – even though Columbus never discovered North America – nor landed on it.
A geocide/Holocaust – that no many folk know about, as the British wiped out almost the entire population of Tasmania.
https://abagond.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-tasmanian-genocide/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2024 15:18 utc | 27

Posted by: canuck | Sep 26 2024 10:50 utc | 3
Good points he made, but then how did the Aztecs manage to sacrifice 400 or more humans per day for nearly a century? /sarc

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 26 2024 16:00 utc | 29

A recent event is Mike Johnson demanding Zelensky replace the Ukrainian ambassador to the US. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/speaker-johnson-demands-zelenskyy-remove-ukraine-s-ambassador-to-us-after-pennsylvania-visit/ar-AA1rcJzk?bncnt=BroadcastNews_TopStories&FORM=BNC001&ocid=hpmsn&cvid=72ae70132c794dec8912f0c2ffcdf05d&ei=25
The article quotes Johnson as saying support for Ukraine “…continues to be bipartisan…” This is quite true. The interesting aspects for me are not the Trump support for Ukraine expressed by his man the Republican Speaker. That’s an old embarrassment for the Trumpers who claim to be for peace in Ukraine. The interesting part is the unconstitutionality of a Speaker of the House intervening to try to conduct “his” own foreign policy. The Constitution places foreign relations in the President’s hands, with the advise and consent of the Senate. The House only plays a role in appropriations to fulfill foreign policy/treaty obligations like funding Ukraine. As Johnson boasts, the war on Russia is indeed bipartisan.
The other interesting aspect is the rather flexible handling of the phrase, “election interference.” Among Trumpers who feel embarrassed by reality, the common claims that Republican vote counters cheated the vote, then Republican judges suppressed the proof, are replaced with claims of “interference.” This goalpost is much lighter, not being burdened with a clear meaning, making the goalpost very easy to move. Purported leftists are very fond of this version, it seems to me. This is amusing by the way, because the first Trump impeachment was very much about Trump intervening with funds for Ukraine to force election interference by Zelensky, in the form of political dirt on the Biden family. Trumpers feel in that particular case that election interference was a Good Thing…and it couldn’t possibly be “lawfare,” which in their eyes is only legal charges against Trump.
My personal conclusion is, don’t vote for Trump or Harris, Claudia de la Cruz for President! If your state has rigged the ballot to exclude her, Jill Stein is the closest to someone you can vote for. There is no voting against. You can’t vote against Harris by voting for Trump and vice versa. Almost all Trumpers simply ignore the monstrous things Trump has said he’ll do, or what the people who support him say they want (as in Project 2025.) It should be embarrassing to tout someone you claim, sometimes even explicitly (!) is lying about what he’ll actually do, but that’s where the MoA commentariat as a whole is.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 26 2024 16:14 utc | 31

Geraldina Colotti in Orinoco Tribune:
It is worth asking why this is happening, why Venezuela is periodically pushed to the center of the world stage, becoming a hot topic even for those who cannot even find it on a map. It is convenient for the future of the popular classes to decipher the interests hidden behind manipulated information that seeks to undermine facts and reason.
A first element should arouse suspicions: the media space used, in Europe, to attack Venezuela as opposed to the space dedicated, for example, to Ecuador (sunk in an abyss of economic crisis and political criminality), to Argentina (where the “chainsaw madman” tramples all rights every day), or even to other big countries like Brazil and Mexico, where a noisy and violent extreme right is trying by all means to overthrow democratic governments, using a scheme that is being repeated in Colombia. . .
Previously, the massacres perpetrated by the governments of the Fourth Republic, appreciated by the US, were narrated in a few lines. And why did everything change after the election of Hugo Chávez as the president of Venezuela (December 6, 1998)? The progressive former military officer of indigenous origin immediately catalyzed the fiercest hatred, unleashing the supremacist attacks that, in Europe, would fully explode only a few years later, and which are now in full swing, with the advance of the fascism of the third millennium.
The figure of the Comandante has reactivated the old fear of the ruling classes against the wretched of the earth who organize themselves. A fear renewed later by the election of the former bus driver, Nicolás Maduro, at the head of the Bolivarian nation, and by a collective administration headed by the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV). A burning slap in the face of the local oligarchy and a specter hovering over the victorious bourgeoisies in European countries.
The same slap in the face is why Ukraine and Gaza have also become the focus of bourgeois violence.

Posted by: Keme | Sep 26 2024 16:30 utc | 33

@Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 15:04 utc | 26
I have a personal true annoyance at the misuse of highly emotive terms such as “holocaust” and “genocide” for things that are not appropriate, and the inter-mixing of the two, and propaganidst made up BS. “Holocaust” is generally considered to refer to the German WW2 genocide, and the vast majority of people think of it in those terms. So I corrected your list for this, using genocide where appropriate and mass war deaths where appropriate.
Actual genocides:
2 million Iraqis by Churchill
3 million Indonesians by the Indonesian military aided by the US
4 million Bengali’s by Churchill
4 million Irish by the English
7 million+ Congolese by Belgians
20-60 million Amerindians by the British/US, Spain and Portugal (I added this one)
6 million plus Jews, Roma, other minorities by the Germans and their allies (noticed that you missed this one)
100,000s native South West Africans by the Germans (this one too)
380,000 in Gaza and counting by the Zionist regime aided by the US, UK etc.(this one too)
Wars that produced massive numbers of dead, if we counted all wars as holocausts we would have an endless list …
5 million Southeast Asians in Vietnam War
9 million Koreans in the Korean War
25 million Russians in WW2
30 million Chinese in Sino-Japanese War
Killed through the effects of the Opium Wars
10 million Chinese by UK, US and many other oligarch families (I noticed that you only picked the Jewish family)
Cold War made up shit:
25 million Christians by Bolsheviks (The leading scholar of famines, O’Grada, has detailed the 1930s Soviet famine as a natural disaster, exacerbated somewhat by the class struggle at the time. He actually found evidence that the Soviet leadership attempted to ameliorate the effects. The main individuals pushing the “Holodomor” were/are Nazi, British, US and Banderist propagandists, plus of course Khrushchev in his bid to destroy Stalin’s reputation)
30 million Chinese by Mao (The “Great Chinese Famine” has been massively and intentionally exaggerated by Western propagandists, with more accurate numbers probably being in the 5-10 million range. There was a series of famine and flood events which ruined large swathes of crops, an occurrence that had happened very regularly in Chinese history. There may have been some exacerbation through communist policies, but these were rapidly reversed. At the height of this famine the Chinese death rate equalled a normal year in India at the time, as the death rates had been so massively reduced by the communist policies from 1949 onwards).

Posted by: Roger | Sep 26 2024 17:01 utc | 35

@Posted by: Thomas Bergbusch | Sep 26 2024 16:32 utc | 34
Robert Conquest was never a historian, he was an anti-Soviet propagandist working for the British State Security Services. Harvest of Sorrow is British anti-Soviet propaganda BS repackaged as a book and carefully circulated and supported by the Cold War propagandist authorities.
Timothy Snyder is another propagandist who attempts to mix the truths of the Nazi genocide with the propagandist anti-Soviet lies, desperately trying to equate the Soviet Union with the Nazi menace that they played the major part in destroying. Snyder has more recently turned into a Banderist apologist, saying that the mass murder of Poles by the Banderists “never happened” even though his earlier work documents these killings.
An excellent takedown of the Cold War propagandists, especially Snyder: https://www.wsws.org/en/special/library/russian-revolution-unfinished-twentieth-century/17.html

Posted by: Roger | Sep 26 2024 17:14 utc | 37

@Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2024 17:09 utc | 36
One excellent way of destroying an opposition is to get them wrapped up in some idea that can be used to utterly destroy their legitimacy. Holocaust-denial is one of those ideas, as it is so obviously provably wrong.
If one actually reads Mein Kampf one can see Hitler’s hatred and plans for both the Jews and the Slavs from very early on. These are then put into action by his very policies in power, from the 1930s for the Jews and from the 1940s for the Slavs. Anti-semitism was rife in Germany in the period, as it was across Europe and the US, so Hitler found a very ready audience for his bigotry. The German establishment was happy to feast on Jewish property, and forced Jewish labour.
The explicit rounding up of Jews by the Germans and the extermination of those Jews is extremely well documented, they were specifically targeted. On the Eastern Front, and in Europe. Babi Yar is just one of many examples of the mass shooting over days of whole Jewish populations. The gas chambers only came later as a more efficient way of killing which didn’t reduce Wermacht morale. The total number killed was above 6 million, as it also included minorities that the German population had bigotries against, such as the Roma and those with mental illnesses.
It is sad that many who can very well identify much of the real power relationships of the modern world get dragged down these rabbit holes again and again. I do question whether some are explicit agent provocateurs working to derail any opposition.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 26 2024 17:28 utc | 39

Roger@32
Well said.
The persistence with which this Nazi apologia is resurrected by clowns like the troll canuck is explicable only by understanding that they seek to clear the reputation of fascists because they look forward to their return to power, which in Canada looks inevitable if not already achieved.
‘canuck’ bear in mind hales from Burlington/Oakville where the largest and most vulgar Banderite memorial in eastern Canada is to be found. The intellectual atmosphere in which he grew up was that which bore fruit in the ovatin of Yaroslav Hunka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7sFxJbcYvg
In the unlikely event that he is interested in working out why the number of people identifying themselves as Jewish in Europe in 1938 was low and the number identified as such in 1948 was high, he could always delve into the history of Europe between the wars.
The truth is that every ruling class in continental europe, including Sweden and Switzerland -with, of course many individual exceptions-collaborated with the German occupation authorities in, among other things, persecuting Jews, Roma, socialists, trade unionists and honest people. Those ruling classes, after the war, became the founding forces of NATO, collaborating with the US as eagerly as they had with Hitler. Seventy plus years later they are returning to their old beliefs in imperialism, amoral Benthamism and slavophobia- the likes of Macron and Meloni are proud bearers of the fascist traditions of their predecessors Laval and Mussolini.
After the war, as the bodies were still being exhumed from the death camps, as the malnourished, brutalised survivors were being nursed back to some kind of health the work of denying their existence and the existence of the death camps fell to a new generation, of which the unlamented Irving was one of the most notorious members. To explain how the idea of Jews having been persecuted, detained and either starved to death or murdered, and the story of the Einsatgruppen and the eager volunteer formations that worked with them in ukraine, the Baltic states, Croatia and elsewhere, shooting hundreds of thousands and dumping them in pits, began.
The answer of course was that these stories, which reflected so badly on the Fuhrer’s character and libelled the staunch volunteers of the SS, had been invented by Communists and Jews in order to discredit Europe’s well meaning patriotic rulers and the capitalist system that they championed.
As to ‘canuck’ a visit to the website he links to by highlighting his handle will explain much.It is unlikely to be otherwise profitable.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 26 2024 17:37 utc | 41

@Posted by: bevin | Sep 26 2024 17:37 utc | 41

As to ‘canuck’ a visit to the website he links to by highlighting his handle will explain much.It is unlikely to be otherwise profitable.

Joshua Gold Resources, that’s a brutal long term chart. Down 13% today, as the gold price goes up! https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/jshg?mod=search_symbol
Joshua, leader of the Israelites and conquerer of Canaan. Mmmm….
Good to see you back.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 26 2024 18:12 utc | 43

@41 bevin
It’s nice to see you back. We have been round the horn a million times about what you refer to as Nazi-apoligia in our current epoch.
To that I would ask you, do you think that what you refer to as apologia is in fact an attempt by National-Socialism to embark on an effort to re-conquer the world? Or that it is an effort to try to understand how the narrative of the 20th century wars in the west has delivered it to an inflection part or impasse where the myth of the good war is being flung back into the light of questioning and where its legacy must be understood as that which has brought us to the moment where the whole western liberal paradigm is approaching its terminus?
The U.N. was the result of the good war being won and yet what has been its legacy? I think people are starting to question this and I can only assume that this is what Hegel called world spirit driving itself and TPTB desperately trying to cling to its coattails.
Imo, the true American First movement of Lindbergh and Ford before Roosevelt’s and co.’s warmongering propelled us into WW2 by goading the Japs, is reemerging. And it is happening not because of the faux-America First movement of DJT, but despite it. You see, TPTB do not want us to interrogate history. They propped up the DJT-phenomenon to get ahead of this reexamination of history and its interrogation.
I would hesitate to say that you, yourself, fall into this category, as well. But as we all are starting to realize, Hyper-statist Marxists do not necessarily want the dissolution of the empire so much as they want to capture it lock, stock, and barrel.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 26 2024 18:28 utc | 45

So, I’m not going to weigh in on the Holocaust. I’m sure many are interested and wish to discuss the matter openly which is de facto banned in the west.
However, this type of discussion only hurts opponents of Zionism, so I will not engage in it at this time. In a climate where even opposition to genocide is cast as antisemitism, indulging in a discussion of the facts of the Holocaust in a way that could in any way be perceived as even slightly exculpating Hitler and the Nazis is a true gift to Hilter’s beaten stepchildren: the Zionists.
I love free speech, but there is an ideological struggle going on and this is the most tactically idiotic issue to raise at this time.
Let’s focus on the crimes of the Zionazis which are legion. If you want to discuss their control over speech and inquiry let’s talk about this new mandatory definition of “anti semitism” they have foisted on the world.
And finally, let’s focus on the Zionists and not the Jewish people, a small but vocal percentage of which oppose Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians just like we do.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 26 2024 18:58 utc | 47

Roger (46).
Thank You Roger for that – just one more thing – is there any other event in history where a person can be arrested and imprisoned in many countries, or cancelled out, or fired from their jobs, or assaulted – and generally ostracised for not agreeing with the official narrative of the WWII Holocaust – and do you agree that these things should happen to them?
Thanks in advance for your reply.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 26 2024 19:01 utc | 49

@47 ahenobarbus
I disagree.
The issue at play is America’s policing of the world and how this policy came into play and remains at play today.
Without this policing, Israel would not have carte blanche to pillage and rape. You will make the argument that the Nazis would have defended the Israelis the same. This is speculation.
A see similar argument to yours at play in the MAGA-right but that is manufactured obfuscation to direct people away from questioning the mechanism of the American police state on the world stage: they say, “I don’t care who wins. I care not about the Palestinians in their filthy Arab squalor or the Israelis who are not Christians.”
But that is not the question!!!
The question is should we support the Israelis by funding, arming, and being the German Shepherd to their Chihuahua?
The question is what is the true American First movement and how was this buried by Roosevelt’s intervention in WW2.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 26 2024 19:10 utc | 51

Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 19:19 utc | 53
It’s difficult to get a handle on the bond market at the moment. Three US auctions this week basically trod water, neither showing spectacular demand nor pushing for higher returns.
Strange times, when bond vigilantes don’t seem to be taking the hints from gold.
Still, China and Saudi Arabia, to name but two, quietly let their holdings run to maturity, but don’t buy much in the way of new instalments.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 26 2024 19:54 utc | 53

Agree largely with comments pushing back against the Holocaust denialism..and I say that even though I dislike using the term genocide to cover population declines, real or apparent, which didn’t involve using scarce resources to deliver men, women and children en masse to be killed, whether in dedicated death camps or a handy bulldozed ditch, or portable gas chamber.
But I’m sorry bevin@41 is completely wrong in labeling canuck a “troll.” canuck is a respected member of the bar, not someone who posts disagreeable comments alien to the spirit of the MoA commentariat. (If anyone, that’s me, though I don’t agree that merely disagreeing with the majority makes me or anyone as such a “troll.” It takes more I think.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 26 2024 20:31 utc | 55

The Media War On Truthful Reporting And Legitimate Opinions – A Documentary<\b>

Hat Tip B.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 20:45 utc | 57

Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 10:37 utc | 1
Everything in our world is perverted. Everything is the other way around.
Found out only three years ago- shame on me:
The hearing in EU parliament is sabotaged
https://professorsblogg.com/2014/07/12/odessa-massacre-hearing-at-eu-parliament-in-brussels-sabotaged-by-maidan-activists-brought-from-kiev/
Swedish Foreign minister twist on the massacre
https://professorsblogg.com/2014/06/06/the-soon-former-swedish-foreign-minister-carl-bildt-commented-the-odessa-massacre-and-the-use-of-force-against-separatists-in-ukraine/

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 26 2024 20:56 utc | 59

….. Yellen came out of the closet today, saying that the US has to reduce deficits to control interest costs…..
That’s yuge. A staggering admission that the Federal Reserve (banking cartel) doesn’t control interest rates anymore. WOW ?!?!?!

Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 21:10 utc | 61

Russia understood the cyclical nature of energy prices and wisely handled that by saving up revenue from the good years to give them reserves to weather the bad ones.
The difference is right now it’s no longer an option, there’s no more saving- only massive spending until the war is over.

Posted by: OJ Purplestuff | Sep 26 2024 21:17 utc | 63

….. only massive spending until the war is over….
The RF spends around 6% of GDP on military spending now . Under $100billion. Hardly “massive”
NATO military budget combined is $1,800 billion . Now that’s massive

Posted by: Exile | Sep 26 2024 21:22 utc | 65

Exile | Sep 26 2024 21:22 utc | 66
Judging by the amount of bang for buck those defense budgets of each side achieve, the luxury car industry should be booming throughout the west just as it is in Kiev.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 21:34 utc | 67

Numbers don’t. How about the people serving those numbers up?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 12:52 utc | 18
Figures don’t lie but liars can figure. So? It might be interesting to explore what motivation Brittanica might have had for falsifying those figures, not to mention finding contemporary documents disputing the figures.
I don’t have a dog in this fight- I was brought up on the Holocaust narrative, but I never considered it a justification for Israel, true or not. It does seem to me to be worthwhile to know whether or not it’s true though, because without it there’s very little room for justifying the existence of Israel. The fact that the Holocaust narrative is so convenient to Israel and the western capitalist powers that enable and use Israel does raise some doubts about the narrative, considering that pretty much all mainstream narratives about events and history were largely fabricated at the time in whatever way served US imperialist interests. The best argument for believing that six million Jews were killed in the death camps that I have seen is that, given how much of the narrative from the period we absolutely know to be distorted or outright invented, the Law of Large Numbers suggest that something must be the exception, and perhaps this it.
I’m happy to look at any evidence that involves material gathered and published in the years preceding, during and immediately following the war. It seems odd to me that the anti-Denier movement hasn’t simply published the records kept by the most obsessive record-keepers in history.

Posted by: Honzo | Sep 26 2024 21:37 utc | 69

Honzo | Sep 26 2024 21:37 utc | 70
The term Holododomor was invented by an American with a Ukrainian wife in 1964, At least that is the year he introduced it to congress.
With that, the Soviet famine is forgotten, and becomes Russian genocide, against Ukrainians even though as many Kazakhs or more died plus the peoples in the other crop growing regions. It also derletes the fact that it was a Ukrainian in Charge of Soviet nationalization of farming and enfoecing Quotas and a Ukrainian in the Ukraine SSR that enforced the quotas there.
I have not found where the term holocaust was invented but it deletes the fact the other peoples determined to have been subhumans were killed in industrial numbers.
That is why I call the Israelis, the Zionists the “Riders of the holocaust”. They surf along on the dead bodies of the millions of European Jews and perpetrate the same against the Palestinians as was done to the European Jews and other groups targeted for extermination.
We see words bandied sabout that completely lose meaning.
Extremism – for my purpose I put a definition of it. Any group that views them selves as superior and classes othger groups down to the level of subhumans requiring eradication.
Once people use an ideology or religion like that, it is extremism, and these groups are always a great danger to all others and certainly one they start killing, should be destroyed by any means possible. Currently there is Islamic extremism, Nazism, Zionism. These require destroying.
Hindutva has these characteristics so it needs watching carefully to see which way it goes. We see Hindutva India, fully aboard and enthusiastic about the eradication of Muslims in Palestine.
Muslims and Chinese/Communists are the targets of Hindutva.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 21:58 utc | 71

Posted by: Walt | Sep 26 2024 13:36 utc | 23
Chinese Wives, Foreign Husbands
https://waltking.substack.com/p/a-chinese-wife-a-foreign-husband
Four Chinese Women
https://waltking.substack.com/p/four-chinese-women
Thanks Walt, great writings- could you pls. write a little about the woman of the Chinese Hakka people?
“Hakka women are known for their independent nature and willingness to engage in hard work typically reserved for men in other dialect groups.”
During the same period, there were 132 Hakkas out of 325 generals in Jiangxi, 63 Hakkas out of 83 generals in Fujian, and 8 Hakkas out of 12 generals in Guangdong respectively, not mentioning those from Guangxi, Sichuan and Hunan.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_people

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 26 2024 22:28 utc | 73

Walt | Sep 26 2024 13:36 utc | 23
Just read the Four Chinese Women. Will be bookmarking your substack. The piece you wrote, then that video to top it off. Top stuff. The article was easy reading informative and that video….
I guess I have found something that still interests me outside of watching the multi-polar world emerge and the battles to ensure that can occur.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 23:05 utc | 75

And Milei, poster boy for disaster economics. Argentine poverty rate climbs.
https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1839372614260994345

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 26 2024 23:14 utc | 77

This is a really interesting Dialogue Works conversation with Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff – they discuss the consequences of economic decisions made by the West – much to digest!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOmUcBU2a8s

Posted by: juliania | Sep 26 2024 23:50 utc | 79

The US national debt is over $35T, no extra revenues sources have been identified or are being implemented.
The federal budget is completely unbalanced, and the deficit is growing not shrinking. No year in place budgets have been passed in many years, the federal government is now funded by a series of illegal continuing resolutions. No dept by dept budgets are in place, only loose budget guidelines.
And yet the spendthift Biden-Harris socialist/marxist administration (seize all private semi auto firearms and enact job killing green communist energy policies) commits over $12 B additional dollars to fund the fascist regimes in Tel Aviv and Kieve……….and one trillion for green energy non sense.
Without a doubt the worst administration in US history, this clown car group makes the Harding administration look like brain surgeons……….
Proof positive of the total incompetence of the administration…..marxists supporting fascists……..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 27 2024 0:08 utc | 81

Proof positive of the total incompetence of the administration…..marxists supporting fascists……..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 27 2024 0:08 utc | 82
I like a lot of your comments, Tobias, but Marxists? Saying stuff like that makes you look like a political illiterate. You’re better than that, old man.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2024 0:47 utc | 83

This is a really interesting Dialogue Works conversation with Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff – they discuss the consequences of economic decisions made by the West – much to digest!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOmUcBU2a8s
Posted by: juliania | Sep 26 2024 23:50 utc | 80
I owe you an apology, J. I actually read a great article at the philosophical salon.
https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/global-capitalisms-extermination-impulse/
It’s rare but the site occasionally has something that’s worth a shit.
Peace!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 27 2024 0:50 utc | 85

At 8:44am on Sep 25, 2024 (local time), China test-fired an ICBM from southern China toward Pacific Ocean near French Polynesia and south of Hawaii. The ICBM with dummy warhead flew about 12000km from the launch spot and arrived at the target spot around 30 minutes after launch. It is said the ICBM hit the target area with precision. Didn’t see this news as a headline in the anglo sphere. This is a close-to-real-war and full-range test after China’s first one 44 years ago.
From PRC Ministry of National Defense:
1. PLA Rocket Force launches an ICBM into Pacific Ocean
2. China strictly follows nuclear policy of no first use of nuclear weapons: Defense Spokesperson
3. 火箭军向太平洋海域成功发射1发洲际弹道导弹 (in Chinese, more photos)
China informed the related countries, including the amerikkka, in advance. So whoever might be interested could “arrange” its observation.
The western or anglo “msm” seems quiet on this. But it is believed whoever should “get” the message got it.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 27 2024 1:48 utc | 87

Re: “No gase oven at Auschwitz!!” and other fantasies, I wish Germans had not tried to exterminate Europe’s Jews, just I wish Americans had not tried to wipe out Native Americans and Bitain had not succussfully wiped out native Tasmanians. But the overwhelming evidence is that is that these murder campaigns genuinely happened. Fantasists like David Irving need not be taken seriously. In particular, do not spend more than 50 cents for any of their books.

Posted by: lester | Sep 27 2024 2:20 utc | 89

@ LuRenJia | Sep 27 2024 1:48 utc | 90 with the confirmation of the China ICBM launch….thanks
I read that here somewhere and was hoping for confirmation.
Humanity is in a civilization war that is being fought at various levels between hidden and obvious foes. This demonstration by China goes well alongside the recent Putin nuke warning to the West….my God Of Mammon cult and followers.
Us lesser beings just get to watch the shit show until we don’t….grin…which way will it go?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 27 2024 2:31 utc | 91

@ Walt | Sep 27 2024 2:32 utc | 97 with more meat on the China ICBM bone…thanks
I did watch your video and enjoyed it but had trouble with your voice in the audio because of my hearing loss issues….thanks for the China perspective.
I also liked your report on the population issues and how evolving. I agree that contraception has given women more control over their bodies which I think is a good thing. It is challenging patriarchy, family and community definitions which I also see as positive because society needs to be positive about the constant of change…..and women do hold up half of the sky.
I feel confident that China will care for its elderly better than the profit driven West.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 27 2024 2:44 utc | 93

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 26 2024 19:54 utc | 54
Yellen came out of the closet today, saying that the US has to reduce deficits to control interest costs.
This seems to be an important admission that the Fed can no longer lower interest rates in the face of losing commodity suppression methods through COMEX and de-dollarization. Lowering rates will cause much more painful inflation/stagflation on top of what is currently going on. This is directly to diminished value of US currency.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 26 2024 20:51 utc | 59
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Caught my eye, too. I guess she is free to say what she thinks. I am rebalancing my portfolio and everything in the investment community thinks increasing lower rates is a good thing. I am targeting long term value, e.g. nat gas, etc. still in the ground.
Unlike Bernanke, Powell is not a good liar, IMHO. The Household Survey must have beat all and many other sources of data. Trump is also campaigning on the value of the dollar, well beyond MSM comprehension.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 27 2024 3:00 utc | 95

In response to from the Ukraine thread
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With all due respect…and I mean it…the term “capitalism” has existed and still exists. How do you account for it? Or would you call it private finance?
Posted by: Activist Potato | Sep 27 2024 2:39 utc | 202
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In simple terms
In the West since Roman times the economies of the world can be described as mixed economies. Mixed economies have a government that provides some things and the public individually or collectively do the rest of what happens economically.
The mix has varied all over about what governments do and historically some have provided a form of public finance but in the West we mostly have had religious and private ownership/management of finance….behind the scenes of governments.
The terms capitalism, socialism, etc. are not concrete things but concepts whose definition varies by nation. The PBOC of China is not like the US Fed or the City Of London Corp.
Enough. Bring your off topic thoughts here and mostly folks will respond as best they can from their perspective, like I am trying to do here….YMMV

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 27 2024 3:01 utc | 97

Britannica Encyclopedia did a census of all European ethnic groups in 1938 and in 1948.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 26 2024 11:25 utc | 9
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The notion that encyclopedias have the wherewithal to conduct a multinational census — and in such countries as the USSR no less — isn’t even ridiculous. It’s either brain-dead or trollish.

Posted by: malenlov | Sep 27 2024 3:26 utc | 99