Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2024-222
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Posted by: Walt | Sep 19 2024 14:36 utc | 2
Are y’all still super butthurt about Israel winning again?
;)
Posted by: Wayne Wright | Sep 19 2024 14:46 utc | 3
Based on the popularity of b's last two topics discussing Israel, I suggest he create a new Open Thread titled "Israel Open Thread".
Posted by: Mark Mosby | Sep 19 2024 14:50 utc | 4
Walt.....so basically 404: 2.0. Lots of Oligarchs are gonna get rich. I only say that because as with Russian Oligarchs, Ukie Oligarchs, western oligarchs, how commerce out ruled common sense military strategy in 404, lots of critical infrastructure left untouched till the point where the law of unintended consequence goes boom in the night.
Sorry for the divergence. I'm sure you are aware that the Philippines financially is controlled by China, oligarchs again. Telecom, banking, hotels, construction, energy and travel. Most major players are Chinese billionaires. So I see the war dance as some kind of chicken strutting drama. To what end? Who knows.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 14:59 utc | 5
my suggestion is to skip over petty comments that only offer antagonism and mean spiritedness.. they are obvious to see..
indian punchline today -
India’s military support to Israel is a hideous mistake
Posted by: james | Sep 19 2024 15:23 utc | 6
Wayne Wrong@1446
Are you still butt-hurt about top officials of Unit 8200 getting their just desserts from that Iraqi resistance missile strike on their headquarters?
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:23 utc | 7
Pretty weak "coalition" of countries attempting to gang-up on the Giant Panda. Military prowess of the Phils is an ongoing joke. U$$A bases there will be easy targets for hypersonics. Japan is falling so fast demographically (due to the MRNA jabs) that their attentions are mostly directed inwardly. Both the Japanese and the South Koreans are doomed militarily by North Korean weaponry...even including hypersonic nukes...shared by Moscow.
The show of support by these lands is a pitiful demonstration of conglomerated weaknesses. Feeling sorry already for that division or so of American troops who still occupy South Korea as a "tripwire". They are logistically compromised, much like American forces in the Philippines in the early stages of '42. Trapped, and no help in sight.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 19 2024 15:30 utc | 8
Posted by: Wayne Wright | Sep 19 2024 14:46 utc | 3
##################
Doesn’t look like they’ve won anything they want, does it?
If they want security they don’t have it, if they want sovereignty over territory on a map they don’t have that either.
Posted by: a stone | Sep 19 2024 15:33 utc | 9
@sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 14:59 utc | 5
I'm sure you are aware that the Philippines financially is controlled by China, oligarchs again. Telecom, banking, hotels, construction, energy and travel. Most major players are Chinese billionaires.
Correctly speaking, a good number of Philippine riches are Chinese descendants, not Chinese since they are not Chinese citizens. Although a lot of Chinese descendants in Southeast Asia still keep some Chinese traditions and learn Chinese today, they are citizens of the countries where they now live.
Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 19 2024 15:33 utc | 10
I'm sure I'm not the only barfly fond of excellent beer, which is also pricy suds. One of the economic casualties within Europe is the German Brewery Industry where very longstanding brewers are declaring bankruptcy and closing forever. Here's an article listing some of the carnage:
The decline of the traditional German brewing industry shows no signs of slowing down. Recently, several breweries have filed for bankruptcy or closed permanently, resulting in the loss of centuries-old brewing traditions.The latest victims are the Gambrinus Brewery in Weiden, Upper Palatinate, and the Gesellschaftsbrauerei Viechtach, about 100 km southeast. Both are located in the Bavarian border region with the Czech Republic, an area often described as structurally weak.
The nearly 100-year-old Gambrinus Brewery filed for insolvency on Friday at the Weiden District Court due to unpaid bills and outstanding wages. The brewery's decline is attributed to rising costs, pandemic-related sales losses, and internal issues, with current production at around 15,000 hl, half its peak output.
On Thursday, it was announced that the insolvent Gesellschaftsbrauerei Viechtach would close permanently after nearly 500 years, ceasing production. Despite intensive negotiations, no investors were willing to continue operations. Remaining employees have been let go, and the Viechtacher brand will continue to be produced at the nearby Hofmark Brewery in Loifling, located in the Cham district of the Upper Palatinate.
Last month, the 672-year-old Karmeliter-Bräu from Salz near Bad Neustadt an der Saale (about 75 km northeast of Würzburg) permanently closed its doors. The brand and distribution rights were acquired by Oettinger Brewery, one of Germany's largest brewery groups, mainly active in the entry-level segment (inside.beer, 10.6.2024). It is speculated that the brand, named after a monastic order, will be used to establish the group in the higher-priced segment, similar to other well-known brands like Trappist, Augustiner, Paulaner, Franziskaner, Benediktiner, and Kapuziner.
The problem with the "higher-priced segment" is that its customer base needs a high income to purchase their products. Beer lovers within the Empire well know the differences between the so-called micro-brews and major brands like Coors, Bud and Miller--it's both price and quality. Frankly, once you've tasted good beer, you'll find the mass-produced swill--well, swill. But that means paying 3-5X the price--I remember well when I could barely afford Keystone.
The beer industry's depression is but one sector of the European economy that's dying--VW, Audi, and other auto makers are dying. And the EU can't save them by placing US-level tariffs on Chinese EVs. Clearly, EU policy is destroying national economies; so, we should anticipate nations leaving the economic-death causing EU and NATO so they can formulate their own policies again, which means no longer supporting NATO/Outlaw US Empire Imperialism and related policies. Last I heard from Putin, Russia remains willing to sell gas to Europe through Russia's pipelines.
Mark Mosby @4:
In case you haven't noticed there's a Palestine Open Thread.
Posted by: Muph | Sep 19 2024 15:42 utc | 12
@ karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 15:35 utc | 11
well maybe at some point china will make high end beer at low prices, lol.... i know russia makes good beer, but canada doesn't allow it - we are under fuehrer freelands orders, lol..
Posted by: james | Sep 19 2024 15:51 utc | 13
Posted by: a stone | Sep 19 2024 15:33 utc | 9
Doesn’t look like they’ve won anything they want, does it?
If they want security they don’t have it, if they want sovereignty over territory on a map they don’t have that either.
Yup. One of the main problems for the dumb and gorish Jews in Israel is their dozens thousand internal refugees that escaped from the northern towns afraid of Hezbollah's rockets, leaving those towns deserted. This makes their corrupt leader look weak and dumb. You cann't have a Jew looking weak and dumb according to their torah and their talmud and other bullshit written by "jewish scholars".
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 19 2024 15:51 utc | 14
[email protected]'s said, that the best brewed German beer, of the highest quality, is brewed in China. I forget the Provence, and why the Germans were there, I think maybe '20s/30s maybe during the war. The only downside though, they don't export.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 15
Muph @12:
Palestine is not Israel.
An open thread on Israel would include any topic related to Israel in any area or country of the world, including Israel itself.
Posted by: Mark Mosby | Sep 19 2024 16:13 utc | 16
@ 15 sean - hey that is fascinating!! better not find out which province or karl is going to be their like a dirty shirt!
Posted by: james | Sep 19 2024 16:22 utc | 17
”Israel” is a fictitious country. It is just a US military base cosplaying as a country.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 16:23 utc | 18
@james.....I made it up to Mt Washington, looked around, said, hey man thanks. Neat change in the alpine vegetation as the elevation changes too.
Walked in an enchanted forest along the Oyster River. The trees, towering majestic, holly growing on the forest floor, four and five foot strands of moss hanging from tree branches, I can see why people get upset with logging companies, never seen trees that big.
Cheers M
.....consider yourself lucky to live in such a beautiful place....
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:24 utc | 19
sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 15--
The German consession in Shanghai built a brewery there as Germans can't go anywhere without good beer--Tsingtao is that brand today.
FWIW: The Next Wokety Woke Madness - US Navy Gender Neutral Submarine https://tinyurl.com/yc43adfj
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 19 2024 16:29 utc | 21
@ sean
i had forgotten about your trip to the island.. sounds like you had a wonderful time! nice! the island is very beautiful, but it is suffering from human growth pains here too as too many are moving to the island... i am happy you enjoyed your time here..
@ karl
you are on top of it, lol... i have had the export tsingtao, but maybe a long time ago.. will have to try it again..
Posted by: james | Sep 19 2024 16:29 utc | 22
Last I heard from Putin, Russia remains willing to sell gas to Europe through Russia's pipelines.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 15:35 utc | 11
Half the gas that was destined for Germany now will go to extending the gas network around Leningrad. Yes, Russia is still willing to sell; there just won't be as much.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 19 2024 16:33 utc | 23
Don't know why Dogon Priest@22 wants a properly manly imperialist army. So it would be victorious? Don't know why most women can't be effective soldiers in a mechanized army either. It's not like they have to be able to wear heavy armor and swing heavy swords. Not being a petty bourgeois feminist, I think they can be trained to be killers too. Even those who think women are innately stupider need to demonstrate that soldiers have to be smart, as opposed to disciplined and trained. The real problem I do see for women soldiers is pregnancy, but there's fixes for that too.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 19 2024 16:49 utc | 24
"sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 15--
The German concession in Shanghai built a brewery there as Germans can't go anywhere without good beer--Tsingtao is that brand today."
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 16:24 utc | 20
Tsingtao is available in Cnada.
As a general note;
Food quality in Europe is orders of magnitude better than in the USA.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 19 2024 17:12 utc | 26
Exile | Sep 19 2024 17:12 utc | 26--
Unless I'm the chef. Before this gig, I was a Culinary Alchemist. Mushroom season in my region will arrive soon.
steven t [email protected] for that.....neuter the men? :)
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 17:48 utc | 28
I met the youngest tank commander in the Canadian Army, good looking girl, you wouldn't want to cross her in an ally.....fubar'd by someone I hi heals would be hard to pass of in the mess hall.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 17:52 utc | 29
[email protected] here's my issue. If it's brewed under licence most times it's crap. Try Dublin brewed Guiness over LaBatts brewed under licence. And the really good beers, especially stouts, they don't travel well. So something made thousands of miles away requires a widget in the can. For beer stout lovers its best to find a local micro brewery(s) and test their products, best to buy local anyway, it's a community thing and helps with the boycott in general. I will though keep an eye out for the Tsingtao, I do enjoy a good beer.
Cheers, for beers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 18:07 utc | 30
[email protected] for the heads up on the Chinese brewed German beer....we have it here in Canada I'm told, so I will look to see if it's imported or brewed under licence. Perhaps they do export after all.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 18:12 utc | 31
sean the leprechaun@29 may not have heard the old pearl of wisdom: "If the army wanted you to have a wife, they'd issue you one."
Soldiers with no families have many attractions for army paymasters and quartermasters. They might want to give vasectomies in basic?
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 19 2024 18:14 utc | 32
[email protected]'s said, that the best brewed German beer, of the highest quality, is brewed in China. I forget the Provence, and why the Germans were there, I think maybe '20s/30s maybe during the war. The only downside though, they don't export.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 16:00 utc | 15
Mexico produces some decent German beer and it's relatively cheap in the US despite AB having control of most of the exports and some of the breweries. Same story- German immigrants in the early 20th century (or sometimes before). The US had the same kind of thing but cutthroat corporatism ruined it pretty quickly as the brands got consolidated or just wiped out.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 19 2024 18:15 utc | 33
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 19 2024 16:49 utc | 24
Agreed, but I would add that women are typically more herd-oriented than men. More susceptible to group-think and peer-enforcement of orthodoxy, and more inclined to be obedient to authority. It's no accident that women with no ideas, let alone ideas of their own, are in 'top' (not counting the powers in the shadows) political/management positions in the EU and many European states. If technology removes their physical limitations, they are probably better Imperial soldiers than men.
Of course, that assumes that their masters don't mind losing a lot of breeders, but it's pretty clear that most western countries are fine with that and would happily replace their native populations with immigrants, who are also generally weak politically and susceptible to manipulation and control. Perhaps the wave of the future will be an American military primarily composed of poor immigrant women.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 19 2024 18:28 utc | 34
There’s no doubt times are tough for smaller independent brewers. Quite a few have disappeared in my region over the last couple of years, which is a great shame as I enjoyed their output and leaves most pubs selling an ever-decreasing range of mass-produced corporate slop at ever-increasing prices.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 18:28 utc | 35
There’s no doubt times are tough for smaller independent brewers.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 18:28 utc | 35
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Learn to ferment the things you like yourself. It is cheap and easy.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 18:34 utc | 36
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 18:34 utc | 36
I’ve done home-brewing in the past and had some successes and some not so successful, usually when sterilisation hadn’t been as thorough as I first thought. Home-made mead was a great success, if a little stronger than anticipated. [hic!]
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 18:45 utc | 37
"[email protected] here's my issue. If it's brewed under licence most times it's crap. Try Dublin brewed Guiness over LaBatts brewed under licence. And the really good beers, especially stouts, they don't travel well. So something made thousands of miles away requires a widget in the can. For beer stout lovers its best to find a local micro brewery(s) and test their products, best to buy local anyway, it's a community thing and helps with the boycott in general. I will though keep an eye out for the Tsingtao, I do enjoy a good beer.
Cheers, for beers M"
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 18:07 utc | 30
I can't drink Canadian or American beers with the exception of some craft brews-I eat exclusively European beers.
I had a Sleeman's Draft the other day as I was at my buddies' and I didn't wnt to look like prick he doesn't care about the beer, more the volume.
It was awful-I looked on the can for the ingredients and IT LIED" "Contains Barley"
Bullshit-they carbonate it, they put fucking vitamins in the beer what about the yeast, the hops and corn fructose-I can't believe in 2024 in Canada they are not made to disclose ingredients!!
sterilisation
Home-made mead was a great success
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 19 2024 18:45 utc | 37
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Caustic soda and large vessels is the way.
Just keep brewing!
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 18:58 utc | 39
”Israel” is a fictitious country. It is just a US military base cosplaying as a country.Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 19 2024 16:23 utc | 18
The State of Israel has a globalist purpose, just as Israel's choke hold on Parliament and the Congress has a purpose.
Posted by: Ride-By Shooter | Sep 19 2024 19:17 utc | 40
Amidst all this noise, a comment without bitterness and without the intention of a value judgment; I think so... perhaps I am wrong.
The destiny of the human being depends on his thinking, individually and collectively. If what we think, passively or actively, does not take into account the quality of our desires, the consequences of our actions are unknown to us.
Example:
If we are afraid, we flee, fight and/or adapt, depending on our capacity. From fear comes anxiety, from anxiety comes anguish, from vital anguish comes the need to flee, stay and/or fight.
In any case, from the feeling that our ego is threatened, aversion is the unconscious defense mechanism of fear of aggression, real or feigned.
From fear and rejection, aversion and, then, those feelings of hatred that we never want to recognize, but that inhabit and feed on our passive thoughts.
It is we who allow our thoughts to be manipulated by our selfish desires: fear and resentment; jealousy and envy; greed; pride and arrogance.
In order for our destiny to change, we have the opportunity to choose what we think and, above all, what kind of thoughts we reject, actively, because among the millions of states of consciousness, the mental focus on own virtues:
Courage (in the face of fear and cowardice, affirm your willingness to recognize the justice inherent in every human being),
Health (in the face of illness): affirm that you are healthy, strong and honest.
Temperance (in the face of anguish). You are calm, you do not rush into your judgments. You are a patient person who has time to think about his actions. Do not rush to respond to an insult.
Acute perception (do not go so deep inside yourself that you lose your sense of reality). The world is huge if you want to encompass it. Small, if you encompass it.
Perfect memory (in the face of forgetfulness, remember): there is nothing that you will not remember, sooner or later. Trust your clear and transparent mind.
Conscious intelligence: there are no thoughts that generate conflict and bad blood because the purpose is to improve the situation for everyone.
It is much more difficult for us to become aware that we can change the world.
Feel the world, try to change it, if you want, but, seriously, dedicate the energies you have left to being, according to your criteria, a moral being.
Posted by: Alzeihmer | Sep 19 2024 20:38 utc | 41
All the beer talk makes me want to advance the time on the clock. My A1C says I need to limit my daily intake to two pints--bummer. Plus, my favs are stouts and porters. Tsingtao I drink when I go out to eat Chinese. Beer prices here in Oregon have gone insane to over $10 for a 6-pack of good craft beer, and from my travels, it's not much different elsewhere. As suggested, the only way to beat the price inflation and get the type of beer you enjoy is to brew your own. I'm nearing the point of doing just that.
Biden Promises Next Trump Assassin Will Be A Woman Of Color
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 19 2024 20:53 utc | 43
over $10 for a 6-pack
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 19 2024 20:49 utc | 42
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Crazy prices.
The problem with brewing is that the rate and volume of optimal one-man production easily outpaces prudent one-man consumption.
How can this irony be resolved?
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 21:11 utc | 44
@karlof1, #20:
Just a minor correction: Germany did not have a concession in Shanghai. They did have medical school in Shanghai though. My mom was a graduate of that school which is now Tongji Univercity.
The German concession is in Shangtun, the city of Tsingtao. There is a mountain nearby call Laoshan, wonderful Spring water! Tsingtao beer was brew from that. Not any more. Laoshan water is too valuable. Now Tsingtao beer is just another mass market brew like the Bud. Too bad!
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 19 2024 21:45 utc | 45
@karlof1, #20:
Just a minor correction: Germany did not have a concession in Shanghai. They did have medical school in Shanghai though. My mom was a graduate of that school which is now Tongji Univercity.
The German concession is in Shangtun, the city of Tsingtao. There is a mountain nearby call Laoshan, wonderful Spring water! Tsingtao beer was brew from that. Not any more. Laoshan water is too valuable. Now Tsingtao beer is just another mass market brew like the Bud. Too bad!
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Sep 19 2024 21:45 utc | 46
Frankie Gavin
Five Mile Chase / The Glass of Beer / Richard Dwyer's
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PNwawu9S5Nk
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 19 2024 22:06 utc | 47
In Ontario its $21 for a 6 pack of Tyskie.
But that is in Canadian dollars-so $14.95 American
Then American beer is 335ML, the Tyskie is 500 Ml so 67 X $14.95= $10.01 so it is equivalent
But we are not done yet-American beer is 4% alcohol and Tyskie is 5% thus 25% more alcohol, and lets face it that why we buy the damn stuff
Meaning that the comparitve price to Oregon 6 pack - $7.50 in Ontario when looking at the alcohols.
Finally, Tyskie is a much better quality that your generic American beer so until I know the brand its hard to compare.
The Americans are nothing if not predictable. When Russia hosted the Sochi Olympics there was a provocation. So when Russia hosts BRICS in Kazan from 22 to 24 October there will be a provocation, too.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 19 2024 22:16 utc | 49
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 19 2024 17:52 utc | 29
Check out the women who play in the WNRL in Australia. An army of these amazons would be formidable. The idea that women can't be effective Frontsoldaten is absurd. Even Plato in the Laws contemplated doubling military capacity by arming and training women. The barrier is cultural not physical. A trained individual with an assault rifle is just that, man or woman. I believe the YPG in the Peshmerga are a current good example.
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 19 2024 22:52 utc | 50
Some more minor corrections.
The brewery Tsingtao was set up by the Germans during their short occupation, in 1903 in Shandong province. The beer is still called Tsingtao but the city in Pinyin while pronounced the same is now spelt Qingdao.
It is one of the top selling beers in China, if a restaurant only offers one beer, nine times out of ten it will be Tsingtao in most places. But the basic bottled beer is very cheap and little more than coloured water, they do make better but hard to find.
If you visit Qingdao you can do the brewery tour.
Posted by: Walt | Sep 19 2024 22:59 utc | 51
Posted by: canuck | Sep 19 2024 22:10 utc | 48
I just ordered this for OktoberFest
Weltenburger Kloster - Spezial Festbier 500ml - Case: 20 x 500ml Bottles
Can't wait...
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 19 2024 22:59 utc | 52
Oriental Voice | Sep 19 2024 21:45 utc | 45--
Thanks for your reply and correction. So, they changed the water and that's why it's different now; yes, it's very noticeable.
Thanks to Walt @51 for his addition. I might make it to China, at least it's on my bucket list.
canuck | Sep 19 2024 22:10 utc | 48--
And thanks for your addition. My craft brew is usually 5-8% since it's either a stout or porter. The home base of Rogue Brewing is just up the road from here. Pelican is another 30 minutes further, and Depoe Bay Brewing is between the two. Then there's Eugene with its plethora of breweries, Corvallis with not as many, and Bend with Deschutes, the brew I'm about to drink since it's finally that time of day here. Cheers!!!
Wow!
Interesting times. Did the Zionists fuck up big time with exploding communication devices?
The government of Taiwan and Gold Apollo are directly implicated in terrorism.
I wait with bated breath to see how China leverage this to end the "Taiwan" issue.
Hagemon is finished.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 0:24 utc | 54
Ok, read the thread.
Women in armed forces. Yes, they can be great pilots, radar and comms specialists, mechanics, logistics support etc. Combat roles?
Do you know the weight of the average Full Battle Order of a infantry rifleman?
Personnel in armoured formation must be capable of carrying out field repairs, specifically replacing tracks. Have you tried lifting just one "shoe", now imagine manhandling a whole track to secure in place. Then there's the ammunition, how heavy is a NATO 120 or 105mm round? Can you lift it above your head and while bend over in confined spaces? Do you know how heavy a .5in barrel for a HMG is and how often it needs to be changed when used in anger?
Beer- was always partial to lagers. Tiger beer from Singapore was a life saver in the heat.
Murphy's Stout is still my go to drink when I want to live dangerously. Gluten intolerance and Australian Syrah has swayed my taste.
Port and brandy will be my down fall.
Posted by: Suresh | Sep 20 2024 0:52 utc | 55
Talk about beer - Dingo Don, a good tracker.When dogs were moving back into the sheep country around Charleville, property owners would form a syndicate of a number of a joining properties.
The shire would by a couple of hundred dollar per dog and the property owners would throw in more to bring it up to $500 for a dog and $100 for pups.
One bloke I flew for had seen tracks around and between him and they neighbors they thought there was four dogs in the area so got Don in.
In three weeks he had 130 dogs hanging on the fence.
He had bought a house on the coast. Ideal location. Pub behind him and boat ramp in front. A good life. Very little running costs, just a cheap motorbike, .243 rifle and many traps. A middle aged full on bushy single. Pub at the back, boat ramp at the front. What more could you want.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 1:20 utc | 56
Posted by: canuck | Sep 19 2024 22:10 utc | 48
Interesting. Never heard of Tyskie beer. Been to Canada several times and have family in Halifax. Will have to look for it next time. In the past I've made due with Molson and Moosepiss. :-)
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:21 utc | 57
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:21 utc | 56 and canuck
Eh, disregard. I see that Tyskie is a Polish beer and available here in Houston. I'll pick some up next time we have a get together. Do they also brew it in Canada for the NA market? I know that's the case for a few others including some Japanese brands.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:26 utc | 58
[email protected] Keith's, an east coast Nova Scotia standard.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 20 2024 1:29 utc | 59
ABSURD: Judo Champion Is Suspended for 5 Months for Making the Sign of the Cross at Paris Olympics
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/absurd-serbian-judo-champion-is-suspended-5-months/
Posted by: Exile | Sep 20 2024 1:42 utc | 60
[email protected] roles? Dude, one of them Russian chicks gets a bead on you, you are toast. They have the patience that men don't. As for endurance, have you had a baby?
Cheers M
......lots of quite capable ladies in combat roles, they just don't show up on the cover of Vogue.....or wind up stereotyped by men who themselves might not pass basic training......which really is where you make your mark regardless of one's gender..... pass the basic, you are in.....as for standards, a story for another time perhaps.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 20 2024 1:43 utc | 61
"Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:21 utc | 56 and canuck
Eh, disregard. I see that Tyskie is a Polish beer and available here in Houston. I'll pick some up next time we have a get together. Do they also brew it in Canada for the NA market? I know that's the case for a few others including some Japanese brands."
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:26 utc | 57
Well certainly Tyskey is brewed in Poland now but that is only from 1990.(1)
The town of Tychy , in Upper Silesia , in Germany started brewing it in 1629-so I consider it a German beer because of its origin.
1.When did Poland get Upper Silesia?
And later, in the years 1945-1989, a large number of Poles from various parts of Poland settled in Upper Silesia, who received work, e.g. in the mines. The area formally became part of the Republic of Poland by virtue of the German-Polish border treaty of 14 November 1990.
How can this irony be resolved?
Posted by: too scents | Sep 19 2024 21:11 utc | 44
With some practice, excellent beer can be brewed in smaller batches. An easier solution is to switch to mead. It's much easier to ferment, it's highly resistant to spoilage organisms so you can avoid using sulfites, and it's good for around 20 years. It's fairly easy to make up to 24% alcohol but it's too hot to drink for a couple of years. Stuff in the 8-12% alcohol range is pretty good by 6 months but at 18 months it's fantastic.
Posted by: Screwdriver | Sep 20 2024 1:51 utc | 63
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 20 2024 1:29 utc | 58
Thanks, I've seen that before. But not an IPA that I remember. Now everyone is making IPAs. Throw a bunch of hops in and let it brew. Too common IMO, but I'll try AK's if I ever see it.
Posted by: canuck | Sep 20 2024 1:47 utc | 61
Aha. Is Tysky a particular brew? Like a pilsner or some sort of ale? I still plan to try it if I ever happen to have a chance.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:54 utc | 64
Aha. Is Tysky a particular brew? Like a pilsner or some sort of ale? I still plan to try it if I ever happen to have a chance.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 1:54 utc | 63
https://www.lcbo.com/en/tyskie-beer-409581
Tyskie (Polish: [ˈtɨskʲɛ]) is a Silesian-Polish brand of beer. Its name comes from the brewery located in the Upper Silesian town of Tychy. It is brewed by the Tychy Princely Brewery (Polish Tyskie Browary Książęce), part of the Kompania Piwowarska brewery group, which was acquired by Asahi Group Holdings in 2017.[1]
Beers
The main brands are Tyskie Gronie (pale lager).
History
The brewery is one of the oldest in Europe. Beer has been produced in Tychy continuously for almost 400 years. From 1629, the brewery, then known in German as the "Fürstliche Brauerei Tichau" (Princely Brewery Tychy), was in the ownership of the German noble House of Promnitz [de]. From 1861, the brewery became known as the "Fürstliche Brauerei in Tichau" (Princely Brewery in Tychy) and came under the management of Hans von Hochberg [de] from the German princely (German Fürsten) House of Pless. Between 1918 and 1939, the brewery merged with neighbouring competing companies, but came under provisional administration of the Polish state intermittently from 1934 due to unpaid taxes.
Something I will put here rather than the Palestine/Lebanon thread as it is just some technical thoughts.
The devices exploding in Lebanon. Several unexploded devices dismantled and hidden explosive found so that question is settled. The how and why has no place in this thread.
But Lithium batteries detonating? I can find no evidence of it anywhere. No images no videos, only claims. The can burn fiercely and fast but do not explode. One large shipping container side battery did create a slight explosion when the steel container burst from the pressure or blew the rest of the inspection door open. Two firefighters had opened an inspect hatch to see why the large steel box was emitting smoke. At that time the battery ignited and they received critical blast injuries but where not killed outright even though standing right at the box looking in.
In researching lithium batteries, the flammable part is the electrolyte. Apparently polymer - which itself is a general term - is the electrolyte between plates. Plates separated by porous insulation material. When a battery is charged, lithium ions move through the polymer from one plate to the other and when discharging, the lithium ions move through the electrolyte in the opposite direction.
A self sustaining combustion requires oxygen though some other exothermic chemical reactions do produce similar heat.
Modern batteries, as well as lithium ions have also a metal oxide - a number of different metals can be used - that transfers through the polymer when charging and discharging. This gives the oxygen component. Charging and discharging are the most dangerous times for battery fires.
So the devices in Lebanon had explosives installed but also there are credible reports of the batteries/device heating before exploding. This means the oxygen component was moving through the electrolyte at the time the explosives were detonated.
Many modern explosive can be safely lit and burned without them exploding. During the Syrian war, I saw a video of a Syrian soldier cook his flatbread using TNT for fuel for the fire. Those type explosive require a detonator to provide a shock which then detonates the main explosive.
This is possibly the same with the lithium batteries and would explain why there were reports of the battery heating before the explosive was detonated. The small amount of electrolyte if detonated would add to the small amount of explosive that was installed.
Although no reports on where the explosive was hidden in the devices, the most likely area is a modified battery that is part battery and part explosive.
If this was the case, then the best possible polymer and the best possible oxide could be used for these batteries to help increase the blast.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 2:09 utc | 67
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 20 2024 0:03 utc | 53
Thanks to Walt @51 for his addition. I might make it to China, at least it's on my bucket list.
Let me know if you do, you'll be most welcome.
Posted by: Walt | Sep 20 2024 2:10 utc | 68
Beer? For me, quantity beats quality. I must have odd tastes though because to me, most of the cheap beers actually taste better though some are crap. Same with whiskey. I have tried various more expensive whiskies and did not like them even when I did not drink much.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 2:23 utc | 69
For me, best beer was the green label stuff in Thailand and China that was mentioned up thread. Worst whisky was a bottle I bought in chinatown Bangkok. Undrinkable. Smelt a taste like rotten fish along with a number of other rotten things.
When I got back to Australia, I tested it on everybody I knew. Got some funny reactions. Completely undrinkble. Metho goes down better even with the denaturing agent.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 2:31 utc | 70
fyi
An EMP Attack on the U.S. Power Grids and Critical National Infrastructure
19 September 2024 by Steven Starr
There are 12,000 nuclear weapons in the world. 4 of them can destroy the U.S.
19 September 2024 by Steven Starr
https://sonar21.com/an-emp-attack-on-the-u-s-power-grids-and-critical-national-infrastructure/
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2024 2:58 utc | 71
I like pale lager-type beers, something light and refreshing like spring water lemonade, summertime beer.
I liked Busch Ice (cheap 6% Canadian lager) but they had serious quality control issues, like Ipecac-caliber, literally. Smelled a bit like wine upon opening, but violent and prolonged projectile vomiting off one swig. Too bad, cause it was a fresh-tasting beer, where you could almost taste the spring water.
So I went back to Pabst Blue Ribbon lager, which doesnt have QC problems. My old standard.
I dislike Black Label, and I would accept a Bud but wouldnt buy one unless the other choices were worse. Tastes like barley and puts me to sleep.
I like Miller High Life, liked Dos Equis when i tried it in Mexico.
Corona Extra is often on sale at 24 for 30$CDN, and it’s my Go-To beer now, cause it’s light-tasting and refreshing, and I havent had any QC surprises.
I used to drink every day, but now only about twice a week.
CHEERS ALL !!
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 20 2024 2:58 utc | 72
@ 66 Peter
Was thinking along similar lines
Electrolyte is flammable as gasoline apparently.
Search fb (sorry) for: /therealunclerob/videos/how-is-1-ounce-of-gasoline-1-stick-of-tnt
Where he detonates gasoline with electric charge.
Add to that that one of the electrodes is @ 50% oxygen.
So the explosive charge might have been used as detonator.
If a circuit capacitor could achieve detonation then :-( .
Late ...zzzzzzz.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 20 2024 3:02 utc | 73
Ornot | Sep 20 2024 3:02 utc | 72
I was think a bit more about the oxides and electrolyte designed as an explosive. From battery fires I have seen, the general is not enough oxide to fully burn the polymer and some burns when mixing with atmospheric oxygen. With the pager explosion I saw, there was no sign of this occurring.
There is also the problem of shortened amp hours if the same style battery is used.
Properties of a battery are dependent on the oxides used. Some batteries now have huge storage capacity in amp hours. Also some of the latest just use all oxides.
I think in this way, the amp hours of the smaller battery could be increased back to close to the original (making the change hard or impossible to detect by electrical testing) along with the added oxides giving a balanced fuel oxygen mix.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 3:39 utc | 74
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 2:31 utc | 69
Worst whiskey I've ever tasted is still in my house. Hard to describe the flavor but it's probably what turpentine mixed with some stale teak wood might be like. Surprising thing is it's not cheap and it's Japanese. They developed a good rep for mimicking single malt scotch over the years and Japanese Whiskey now stands on its own. Lemme go look because it's worth warning people about.
Hakata 10yr. https://thewhiskeywash.com/reviews/whisky-review-hakata-whisky-aged-10-years/
Not my bag at all. Talisker 10 is a great baseline winter scotch and in the summer I like various Glen Morangie singles depending on what's available.
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 20 2024 2:58 utc | 71
Never had any QC issues with Busch products but stopped buying them for a while during my environmentalist-activist phase b/c the Coors people were big strip miners. Not even sure if they own the beer anymore. Mexican beer is where I have a lot of experience. My favorite overall is Bohemia. It's excellent. Next is probably Modelo or Corona Especial. You should try the Corona one. It comes in dark brown rather than clear glass bottles and they sell it here in 32oz quarts at most stores. Tecate is awesome in warm weather but it absolutely needs salt and lime on the top of the can prior to popping it. I've been drinking XX since the late 80s and it has a Fruit Loops taste to it if you pay attention. Can't stand the shit now. Corona is like you said, light and refreshing but you won't be catching a buzz any time soon. Like the Michelob Ultra of Mexican beers. And speakin' of Michelob, regular Michelob was probably the best mass-produced American beer at the time it was on the market. I'd buy some today if I could get my hands on it. They don't even make it anymore at the Budweiser brewery in St. Louis which was a big disappointment after the walking tour ended and they started handing out the samples.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 3:53 utc | 75
Posted by: Featherless | Sep 20 2024 2:58 utc | 71
Forgot to say, if you're into the MX beers, try Pacifico if you can. That's what all the Mexicans drink. Big in the narco trafficante lifestyle, may have originated in Culiacan Sinaloa and popularized in the 80s by Julio Cesar Chavez, the famous boxer from there. Good stuff, IMHO.
Also I screwed up the Corona rec. It's the "Familiar" variety I like best. In the dark brown bottle. https://www.liquor.com/corona-familiar-beer-review-5219175
Here's Pacifico: https://thebrewclub.com/2008/05/12/pacifico-beer-review/
And Bohemia: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/57/1283/ (those guys are annoying beer snobs and they like it)
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 3:59 utc | 76
Sorry about the beer 'diversion' but this is the O/T and it is a bar, so...
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 4:00 utc | 77
NT Beetaloo Basin has enough gas to 'supply Australia for the next 400 years', company about to start drilling the region says
Personally, I suggest it will be closer to a 2000 year supply once the government finishes depopulating with vaccines, net zero regulation and other Bill Gates remedies. Not to mention the net zero testosterone program, which seems to be going exceeding well.
Posted by: Jerr | Sep 20 2024 4:28 utc | 78
Lately we've lots of BS vid...
fucker carlson destroys woke journoMedhi Hassan destroys Chinese spokesman
Sen Hawley destroys INtel guy
NOw this is the real deal,
Jef Sachs destroys JOhn Mearsheimer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNZ0ASDRxmo
Thats all folks
Posted by: denk | Sep 20 2024 4:38 utc | 79
Jerr | Sep 20 2024 4:28 utc | 77
If we were and actual sovereign country with a government governing in the interests of the people, that gas would be nationalized to at least 51% and energy charged at cost. Economy runs on energy, cheaper the energy, the better the economy.
That gas could be piped to the coast and up and down the est coast where the main part of Australia's population. It can be piped straight into the boilers of existing coal power stations and new ones built, greatly reducing emissions. It can be fed straight to various industry that requires heat energy plus new industry requiring heat start and be competitive.
The electricity could power heavy fast rail, taking thousand of long distance trucks off the road. But that gas would in every way greatly reduce carbon emissions and at the same time, with good planning, it would greatly boost our economy.
But who cares about that. Homosexulism is elevated as a god everyone should aspire to. Who needs an edamacation when there is gender studies and the fires of climate hell to learn. There are wars to fight and US mic must be fed at all costs. Disinformation and misinformaton to police. Traitors to be weeded out and censored.
We in the west live in a world of madness.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 5:01 utc | 81
@ Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 20 2024 3:59 utc | 75
i haven't had a bottle of pacifico since i was in progresso( yucatan) in 1984, lol... brings back fond memories.. it is much like corona light as memory serves..
Posted by: james | Sep 20 2024 5:03 utc | 82
We in the west live in a world of madness.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 5:01 utc | 80
So true. It takes real strength to resist. Stay strong my good people of the bar!
Death the Ukronazis! Israel delenda est! Workers of the world...
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2024 5:09 utc | 83
Press freedom in Europe.
"Compact Magazin" is a German political weekly. I would rate it as "reasonably conservative".
The weekly publishes an interview with the official spokeswoman of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Maria Zakharova.
The next day, the German Minister of the Interior prohibits the weekly, and the offices are raided by police.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 20 2024 6:17 utc | 84
'Israel Needs Me More Than Anyone': Trump Warns US Jews
"Speaking at pro-Israel events linked to Republican mega-donor Miriam Adelson, the former president also threatened to cut federal funding to colleges that don't clamp down on 'antisemitic propaganda' and claimed that 'in many ways, Christians love Israel more than Jews."
'Shine perishing republic...'
Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 20 2024 6:31 utc | 85
Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 20 2024 6:31 utc | 84
Trump said he believed that “Israel will be wiped off the face of the Earth” if he doesn’t win.
hmm...
If we hear that if Trump loses, Israel will disappear too, it will only increase the number of people who will gladly join the campaign to defeat him.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 20 2024 7:55 utc | 86
"Beer? For me, quantity beats quality. I must have odd tastes though because to me, most of the cheap beers actually taste better though some are crap. Same with whiskey. I have tried various more expensive whiskies and did not like them even when I did not drink much."
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 2:23 utc | 68
Up in Northern Canada a small town where we used to have a house used shelter our mineral exploration workers were having an charity auction to help fund the local hospital.
I knew a Doctor who collected fine wine held them for years then sold/donated them at charity auctions and got a tax break when selling the bottles.
One day it was my buddy's birthday and I took him to our local fancy Italian restaurant for lunch I as in a hurry ad grabbed a $60 buck (forget the brand) from my small wine cellar and took it to the restaurant which charged $25 to uncork a bottle.
Anyways, I fucked up had grabbed the wrong bottle and ended up drinking one of the Doctor's 1998 Chateauneuf de Pape which would sell at the charity auction for $500.
The depressing thing was that both my buddy and I didn't like the taste-the sommelier, whom we knew well, tasted the wine and said it was excellent and we are 'unsophisticated bums" as he helped himself to a full glass, murmuring, 'You guys don't deserve this nectar'.
So I had to pay the charity the $500 and was told I was an idiot.
Not my best day..
"in many ways, Christians love Israel more than Jews" (Donald Trump)
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Yes, it is impossible to find on this planet someone more stupid than a Roman (wrongly called 'Christian') American: they love those who despise them. LOL
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 10:14 utc | 88
Within fifty years Washington will be the capital of a very large and very important Latin American country like Brazil. LOL.
The so-called American 'Christians' are more stupid than the Ukrainians, which is saying something.
-plebs of Rome, one moment of attention please, to my right is Donald 'genuflecting lackey' Trump and to my left is the puppet Kamala
-plebs of Rome, you can choose any of our two candidates
our masters will die of laughter, my only consolation is that (since it took me time and money to free myself from the mental prison of the tribe) I understand the joke and laugh heartily in this dreadful tragedy of the latest version of the Roman Empire
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 10:23 utc | 89
In the churches of America
In the churches of America, if they were sincere (and not a bunch of swindlers and ignoramuses) they would have in a prominent place the general of the marine corps of that time, a certain Pontius, and the Sadducee high priest Annas the Elder and his son-in-law Caiaphas.
A so-called American 'Christian' is such an imbecile being that unseats the frames of this universe.
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 10:35 utc | 90
We all know
We all know that today "the Nazarene" would not be denounced and crucified, but rather killed by the Zionists or assassinated from a drone piloted by an American Christian.
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 10:40 utc | 91
@ Exile | Sep 20 2024 1:42 utc | 59
This is another case of manufactured outrage. Rules were made and in place to prevent things like religion and political views to take away from the competition. He was aware of these rules, had been warned previously, and advised that future violations would result in suspension.
See their response at https://www.ijf.org/news/show/statement-from-the-international-judo-federation-ijf-18-09-2024
Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 20 2024 11:25 utc | 92
Just read in Reuters that PETN was found integrated with the battery pack of the radios that blew up in Lebanon in a way that was difficult to detect. Seems the batteries had and integrated triggering mechanism that activated on a signal as even batteries that had been removed had exploded. Anything more Anything more there is for the Palestine thread.
MH370. Plenty in the media on its cargo of batteries.
Flight MH370 disappeared four years ago with 239 people on board. Like this one.
"A new report on Monday was meant to be the final word, but essentially admitted that nobody knows what really happened.
It did dismiss some of the more outlandish theories, however.
One had seen people fixate on the plane's cargo — a shipment of batteries and mangosteen fruit which some believed could have mixed and combusted.
Malaysian government investigators dismissed this as "highly improbable" — not least because the products were wrapped and stored apart from each other."
............
I haven't looked at the current open Palestine thread but the Reuters report said the Lebanese authorities had said the PETN had been found integrated in a way difficult to detect. It was long after I remembered MH370 had a cargo of batteries. But if MH370 had been taken over by remote control which to me is the only theory that makes any sense, it could have just been dived into the ocean anywhere and would not require a bomb.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 20 2024 11:28 utc | 93
Flavius Josephus
Flavius Josephus (who was a haughty Sadducee aristocrat from the upper quarter of the Temple city) says that the yehudim of Galilea, Perea and Idumea "and even some from Judea itself", declared war on the people of Judea out of hatred for the yehudim.
Note the family resemblance: if a Zionist doesn't like something then it is 'anti-Buddhist', for example if a Zionist doesn't like garlic soup then garlic soup is 'anti-Buddhist' and of course the very idea of Civilization is an 'anti-Buddhist' idea, and crazy things like human rights and democracy are also against what the Great Rag Doll in hands of Aramaic ventriloquists says in his bloody and fanatical pamphlets (Book of Joshua, Book of Deuteronomy)
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 11:37 utc | 94
"Flavius Josephus (who was a haughty Sadducee aristocrat from the upper quarter of the Temple city) says that the yehudim of Galilea, Perea and Idumea "and even some from Judea itself", declared war on the people of Judea out of hatred for the yehudim.
Note the family resemblance: if a Zionist doesn't like something then it is 'anti-Buddhist', for example if a Zionist doesn't like garlic soup then garlic soup is 'anti-Buddhist' and of course the very idea of Civilization is an 'anti-Buddhist' idea, and crazy things like human rights and democracy are also against what the Great Rag Doll in hands of Aramaic ventriloquists says in his bloody and fanatical pamphlets (Book of Joshua, Book of Deuteronomy)"
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 11:37 utc | 93
Anything Flavius Josephus says is not credible.
He fought the Romans then escaped to their camp and told the Romans what they wanted to hear. In return the Roams supplied Flavius with a cushy life in Rome where he died in his bed..
Hence, anything he wrote is not credible.
In return
Congressman Matt Gaetz stated there are GUR assassination teams now in the US targeting DJT......make much sense since the Ryan Wesley spent months in the Ukraine as a "volunteer", and when back in the US became a merc recruiter...........Gaetz is the best.........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 20 2024 13:48 utc | 96
Yes
Yes, in every forum there is an expert on Flavius Josephus on duty, who has not read Flavius Josephus, who is unaware of the Sadducean bias of Flavius Josephus and who, to make matters worse, believes like Wikipedia (following Flavius Josephus) that he was a Pharisee.
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 13:51 utc | 97
Tsingtao is one of the two drinkable if fairly nondescript Asian beers (the other is Beerlao). Chang, the green-label Thai beer, gives me powerful headaches after just one small bottle, and I don’t bother much with Singha either, which, like Chang, is plurality-owned by the Thai royal family and does not need my money. (There are good Thai microbrews, almost invariably brewed in Cambodia because it’s impossible for them to get a license to brew in Thailand!)
If I have to drink an American mass-market lager, then PBR.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 20 2024 13:53 utc | 98
I am
"I am of royal lineage, my mother is an Asmonean, I am from the first class of priests of the twenty-four classes that exist and the difference is not small" (Autobiography 1,1)
It is a curious case: in all, all, all the forums where i have written there is an expert on Flavius Josephus on duty.
How bold is ignorance.
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 14:00 utc | 99
Why
Why is there an ignorant expert on Flavius Josephus on duty in every, every, every forum
Because everyone, whether they come from an African tribe, from the rabbinical tradition, or from the Roman tradition called Christian, everyone is disconcerted and rejects what does not fit into their preconceived ideas
Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2024 14:08 utc | 100
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The Philippines, the next Ukraine
My latest Substack post.
https://waltking.substack.com/p/the-philippines-the-next-ukraine?r=4auns9
Opening lines:
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