I am in the geology game and that science is basically climate and time…
So instead of ‘desiring ‘ a world or Unicorns and Rainbows to be successful in discovering mineral deposits one has to stick to the rality of geology
Posted by: canuck | Sep 6 2024 0:15 utc | 302
I’m in the geology game too, though my current emphasis is in environmental science and consulting. But I guess I’m way out of my league when challenged by a philosopher.
Wish I were younger. I might ask if you needed any help.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 6 2024 0:22 utc | 304

Posted by: juliania | Sep 6 2024 0:03 utc | 297
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I am a free thinker, aristodemos. I thought my way through a lot of questions and answers, still do. Dostoievski was my role model – he too constantly questioned his faith. Especially when two of his children died – you can see the result in the novel he wrote after the death of the first, “The Idiot” and then at the end of his literary journey with the death of his son Alexey at three years of age, with “The Brothers Karamazov”, his masterwork.
If you take that journey with him, you might change some of your opinions.
Posted by: juliania | Sep 6 2024 0:15 utc | 303
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Good lord, juliania, are you still preaching on MoA? I doubt that you will ever convert anyone here, most people here at MoA are old enough to have already decided about such matters. But keep on thinking freely, but just beware there is a point when one keeps pushing a subject until it becomes meaningless and boring.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 6 2024 0:27 utc | 306

Fred @ 308.
Who are you talking to?

Posted by: Ed | Sep 6 2024 0:31 utc | 308

@Patroklos | Thu, 05 Sep 2024 22:15:00 GMT | 276

What is ‘nature’ in ‘natural’ (as opposed to man-made) but an ideological leap?

I suspect you and Norwegian are talking past each other. The conversation may be a good example for a popular idea of ‘two cultures’ in science. You are both right, I guess, but got a bit entangled here.
Patroklos as a classical historian views science as a human endeavour, and as such it is necessarily thought as contingent, i.e. there are deliberations in place to produce a specific type of conduct, even if those are subconcious or ideological. It’s a necessity of posing this sort of question.
Norwegian is an engineer. He is accustomed to work with solidly evidenced procedures and objects, and frames his questions around those naturally. From this view, stating that science is essentially a political play is simply insane, and painfully at that.
I don’t know how exactly you two became entangled, but you’ll need to sort it out for yourselves because I am tired and must sleep.
My wonderful professor Mr. Dirk Dubbers, then head of the physics departement at uni Heidelberg, advised his young students to keenly beware of huge differences between the scientific cultures, humanities vs. ‘sciences’. The observation is worth its weight in gold, if you allow the joke.
I was lucky to peek into both cultures. The best meta-statement I have heard argues that the ‘sciences’ typically observe causal processes, with a focus on action/reaction pairs connected via an inherent logic (same as in maths with given vs. derived statements).
History, linguistics or literature are quite different; art history is a strong example. Here, typically no causal relationship can be isolated, like ‘why did Kafka write about his father, and how did he came up with the metamorphosis into a bug?’ No one really knows, so proper hypothesis will not be single strands of thought, but rather a whole thread composed of many angles, all of them by their very nature less than certain, which is again to be pointed out and discussed. In this context, the fixation of some historical epochs in science can indeed become a question of psychology. Persecution of witchcraft, alchemy, or [?] numerology may be examples here. — I’ll explicitly refrain from putting astrology in there as well, as I have reasons to withhold my judgement. —
Good night, y’all!
[a meditative and stunningly aesthetic video connecting earth and space through means of technology]

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 6 2024 0:39 utc | 310

This Labour government is a sad, pathetic joke, hostage to their far left Orwellian vision…..V for Vengence…..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 6 2024 0:10 utc | 300
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Maybe the Labour Party should stop sending weapons and cash to the Nazis in Ukraine, and the Zio Fascist in Israel. You know like the Tories did before they were un-ceremonially kicked out of office. Oh! I forgot; the Tories didn’t stop supporting the genocidal Zio’s in Israel did they. Like the US, you got two dipshit parties scraping for donations from the same donor class (Israel) but you think you have a choice. Wow?

Posted by: Ed | Sep 6 2024 0:46 utc | 312

That the western world’s (especially the english speaking anglo saxons) most corrupt and incompetent political and business leaders (who lie cheat and steal for a living) push actions to address and/or avoid rational actions to address the problems presented by competent climate science output across a couple of centuries and the overwhelming evidence of same, has ZERO BEARING on the efficacy of that there scientific output being true or false. IT is true btw.
AND that today’s climate scientists and bodies like the IPCC and Science academic orgs are utterly incompetent losers when it comes to explaining WTF this climate science is all about makes ZERO DIFFERENCE to the actual scientific evidence and the truth of the matter that it is extremely dangerous rapid and 100% caused by humanity itself.
Plus the totally corrupt ideological political think tanks who have distorted the message even further out of self-interest, class greed, giant egos, and their collective psychopathy
Anyone who cannot parse the difference between the actual SCIENCE and the proposed ACTION to address it are idiots who should STFU forever (zero chance of that)
Plato is believed to have said “an empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers”
Congratulations to Scorpion who introduced the topic on page one. Good job. See Plato quote above. (BIG SMILE)

Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 0:55 utc | 314

@ karlof1 | Sep 6 2024 1:00 utc | 316
Hey! Don’t think we aren’t interested! It’s just that you’re the one bringing the news…

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2024 1:03 utc | 316

https://x.com/Forever_noir_/status/1831724097480364315
phillys black marxist ☭ @Forever_noir_
Western history is filled with Hitlers. Treating Hitler and the Nazis like a unique evil is part of the push to separate Nazism/fascism from the greater violence that established the west. He was part of the lineage of violence, genocide and slavery that founded the west.
https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1831800438594953388
Owen Jones @owenjonesjourno
Macron won the support of the French far right to make Barnier – who openly supports ending all immigration – prime minister.
That was in order to block the left, who came top in the election.
It’s so called “centrists” who will pave the way for fascism. You have been warned!

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 6 2024 1:07 utc | 318

@ james | Sep 6 2024 1:20 utc | 320
In all fairness, Freud didn’t think of himself as a psychologist. There had been plenty of psychologists before him, after all. No, he was a p
sychoanalyst.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2024 1:23 utc | 320

usa state dept new briefing from yesterday.. a partial quote
Department Press Briefing – September 4, 2024
“MR MILLER: Good afternoon, everyone, and sorry to be late. I’ll just start with a couple of announcements before we take questions.
The United States has long known that Moscow utilizes a vast collection of tools, including malign influence campaigns and cyber activities, to undermine the interests of the United States, our democratic institutions, and those of our allies.
We’ve seen them do that over many years both here and abroad.
And today, in concert with the Department of Justice and the Department of Justice and the Department of Treasury, we are revealing the latest actions by the Kremlin to attempt to undermine our democratic institutions.
According to information made public today by the Department of Justice, we now know that RT, formerly known as Russia Today, has moved beyond being simply a media organization. We know that RT has contracted with a private company to pay unwitting Americans millions of dollars to carry the Kremlin’s message to influence the U.S. elections and undermine democracy. RT’s leadership has created and directed this enterprise.
Because of this development, the Department of State is taking three concrete actions today to protect the integrity of our democratic institutions.” lol.. right..

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2024 1:28 utc | 322

@ malenkov | Sep 6 2024 1:28 utc | 324
reject or delete his ‘worldview’ which is steeped in a particular historical time frame and period… i think the opposite.. cheers – off to a rehearsal..

Posted by: james | Sep 6 2024 1:29 utc | 324

“What did we do yesterday?”
Posted by: Walt | Sep 5 2024 3:42 utc | 119
Thanks for the reply Walt.
I agree that memory can be a concern. So, here is my conclusion:
Yesterday’s past, tomorrow’s not here, so, live in the moment.
For every breath you take, give thanks twice. For once to breath in, and for once to breath out.
Cheers.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Sep 6 2024 2:22 utc | 326

Juliana@0.03
Being a believer, as you demonstrate; you have surrendered your own spirit to others. Belief is imposed upon people. Faith is innate. My faith is in Creator, not in an evil entity such as the ancient Hebrew tribal wargod, the bloodthirsty Yahweh/Jehovah. If you wish not to consider my assessment of this demonic being, then do yourself a favor and read the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy. If you cannot comprehend the evil in that alleged “god”, then you are both spiritually and intellectually bankrupt.
As for those desert monks; the bishop of Alexandria a mob of them to literally tear limb from limb in murder of Hypatia, a woman of high wisdom and the librarian of the world’s greatest library. Some of those monks were anything but holy. My impression is that in their desert solitude, living in caves and spending much time outdoors in the maddening desert sun; they were clinically insane…all hopped up on exclusivist religiosity.
You denounce Jesus’ disciple Thomas as “questionably named”. How ignorant and arrogant of you. Those carefully sequestered scriptures of which the one of the Disciple were hidden away because the churchaholics sought out all previous texts which did not meet with the approval of the greedy church “fathers” and of the Roman Imperial state which executed Jesus. Do you have any comprehension of the fact that spirituality and the Abrahamic false religions are virtual polar opposites?
Constantine ORDERED the liar, Eusebius of Caesarea and other power-seeking religionists to CREATE the so-called “Holy” bible. Those hirelings were responsible for both redaction and interpolation of those scriptures which they included in the Emperor’s book. Constantine’s apparent reason for creating Crosstianity was to establish a buttress for the Imperial State. He even ceded his position as Pontifex Maximus to the bloody bishop of Rome. In essence that man made his SUBJECTS into slaves of the Church as well as the State. Result was inevitably the fall of Rome, followed by the Dark Ages, where the clergy and only the clergy were allowed to be literate.
The original crusaders for the false religion engendered when the Emperor struck back at the original Jesusites; became so fanatical that they destroyed all the Wisdom Schools and all the libraries which were repositories of human history over a space of millenniums. Scholars and wisdom keepers were deliberately murdered in order to create Constantine’s false religion.
Christianity is not ALL bad…as long as you strictly stick to the words of Jesus, the Christed One, the Great Spiritual Master for the Western World. There are some elements of actual spirituality within the Orthodox traditions. There is a love of mysticism amongst those people. As for Rome, with the exception of a few genuinely spiritual individuals who managed to survive under the umbrella of the church…the entire affair was naught but a top-down dictatorship, what with its horrific crusades, even against fellow Christians and all those burnings at the stake…along with many other sins against Spirit.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 6 2024 2:38 utc | 328

Fred@0:25
The foundational basis of genuine science is to remain curious and maintain an open mind. Such a manifestation is extremely rare amongst academicists. Academicism is ideological and is a herd-mentality where deviationism of all iterations such as original thinking outside of the accepted norms is verboten.
Academicist science has become the utile tool of governments and corporations, along with grants from foundations established by the filthy rich. The depth of corruption in academia closely matches the levels of those previously cited institutions. Centralization and institutionalization has become the bane of the Collective Wa$te.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 6 2024 2:48 utc | 330

Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 2:46 utc | 330
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They’r dead serious.
On the odd days they wish for China’s collapse
On the even days they say China is our biggest threat/
Every other day they breathlessly announce the collapse of Three Gorges Dam. !!!

Posted by: denk | Sep 6 2024 3:03 utc | 332

@235 Aristo
I am very much for self sufficiency and minimalism, and admire cultures that are self contained and independent. When living like that the world takes on a different meaning and any discomforts are soon overcome. Having said that, I still feel spoilt even though my expenses are minimal – I have computers, musical instruments and various other comforts … more recently a washing machine though I miss washing by hand. Only cold water though we could install a waterheater if wanted. It is really easy to become lazy – we would walk once a week a four hour round trip to shop , most days we would walk for two to ten hours. Then I buy a mountain bike (previously I used to bike everywhere) and it takes an hour round trip to shop … but now walking seems too long by comparison though I always enjoyed the walk (i.e. would now rather be doing something lazy and biking , than walking).
I look at how much people drive as a routine and it makes no sense, said even though I enjoy driving (at own discretion). Where we are gypsies stop by at certain times of the year. They find rough land to set out tents and put their horses to pasture in empty fields around us. Very free people still, and full of life even though it is dificult for them often.
You have to have patience, but there are still many who live this way, from permies, sailors, homesteaders, one of the norways here I think is close the Sami, gypsies, most places in souther europe still have goat herds who live something on the fringe of society. There are hippy communes around still in places, small towns in the interior with small local population, treckers, and that is all only in europe. Even while living on the street there was a stable community of the most varied people, but probably not so good now to be there.
Unfortunately authorities often go out of their way to interupt anything at all, to empower themselves of, so the more minimal or agile or adaptive the better often. That or to make sure that whatever is accepted locally beforehand. Most rural societies are good though if you are open and approach with an honest humility.
@243 Phil
Well, there is the story of the Roman commander of a fleet (Patroklos might remember which) who set out to conquer an island. He was anchored near its port ready to attack and the sayers would be asked if the timing was good … “The chickens are not lively today, so no” etc. He became frustrated …”Today ?” … “The chickens are off their food today…” to which he replied “Well let them drink instead !” and threw them all overboard. He then attacked and lost.
That’s a fact (if true).
Walt was right about linear absorbtion though, just it was a curved line .

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 6 2024 3:13 utc | 334

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 6 2024 2:38 utc | 329
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Marcion of Sinope anyone?
Marcion preached that the benevolent God of the Gospel who sent Jesus Christ into the world as the savior was the true Supreme Being, different and opposed to the malevolent Demiurge or creator god, identified with the Hebrew God of the Old Testament.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 6 2024 3:28 utc | 336

All the silly climate-science deniers here who, if they were actually legit, should take there bloviating arguments to this website, but they won’t:
https://skepticalscience.com/
They just keep repeating the old crappy arguments that have been already been answered and refuted 15-20 years ago. Even big oil don’t deny these facts anymore. The arguments are just outdated.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 6 2024 3:47 utc | 338

Denk, yes saw that. It’s everywhere now. 21st century version of McCarthyism and everyday Racism on steroids. America the land of the Free!
The objective science based consensus of skeptical climate science deniers looks like this:
“You are just trolling.”
“That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”
(Big Smile)
Of course some climate scientists are paranoid delinquents, egregious internet trolls, and fucking egotistical unscientific ideological activist idiots. And imo the IPCC is a useless dysfunctional piece of shit. But it was designed by TPTB to be just like that. An incompetent joke. TPTB also got them to change the rhetoric from global warming to climate change which immediately was used a rhetorical tool to undermine the public education and enable denialism. Climate scientists have always been way out of their depth when it comes to big business, finance, wealth, power, and politics and the media cons that get played. They still don’t get it. Never will.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 3:54 utc | 340

The arguments are just outdated.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 6 2024 3:47 utc | 342
Well stated!
The arguments supporting anthropogenic climate change are outdated.
I’ve been listening to this crap all my life.
A new ice age, then a flip flop.
UN saying world would end in 2000 from warming.
Do you remember the story about the boy who cried wolf?

Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 6 2024 4:27 utc | 342

Do you remember the story about the boy who cried wolf?
Posted by: Archetypex | Sep 6 2024 4:27 utc | 346
Is this your “scientific” argument or the extent of your evidence? Boys, wolves and nursery rhymes.
Wow, deep.
AND
“The arguments supporting anthropogenic climate change are outdated.”
Thanks for the Fashion statement. I still love the mini skirt that supported seeing great looking legs that went all the way to the top!!!

Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 4:43 utc | 344

@Wisco | Sep 6 2024 3:47 utc | 342

All the silly climate-science deniers here who, if they were actually legit, should take there bloviating arguments to this website, but they won’t:
https://skepticalscience.com/

Here we are with name calling again. I have seen it before, the proprietor of that site is a cartoonist named John Cook who is amused by publishing pictures of himself as “Reichsfuhrer SS J. Cook” . This stuff was known more than a decade ago, and here it is again.
Thanks for providing the evidence that you are not contributing anything serious.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 6:14 utc | 346

@Patroklos | Sep 5 2024 22:15 utc | 276

“what remains is an ideology concealed as science”. What makes you think all science doesn’t conceal ideology?

What gives you the right to ask such a question? You are simply asking me to prove the negative of your own delusion. It is nonsense.

And the denial of ideology in one’s work is the most sinister ideological mystification of all.

Again, don’t project the negative of your own delusion. I don’t deny the existence of ideology, on the contrary I think you are full of it.
If there is any ‘denial’ going on it is your rejection of the physical world as you think “science is pure narrative and rhetoric”. It is interesting that you appear to support the idea of catastrophic man made climate change (a claim in the realm of pure physics) while at the same time rejecting the physical world as “is pure narrative and rhetoric”. Glorious doublethink.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 6:35 utc | 348

@Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 6:14 utc | 350
If you took the trouble to learn from the skepticalscience site you would know more about how many wrong ideas skeptics adhere to.
Swedens Maths Nilsson (not a climate science scientist. He worked part-time in the medical industry) has also contributed with many articles explaining the many mistakes made by skeptics and how the information often comes from people funded by the fossile industry.
His articles are very revealing when one wants to see the skeptics exposed.
The topic about a logarithmic dependence of the greenhouse effect is pedagogically explained by Clive Best about a decade ago.
At least at that time he was a CERN scientists and I dont think he was a climate scientist.
Using the dedicated fortran package for the CO2 spectrum he calculates the absorption as a function of detuning from the center of the profile. This shows that the logarithmic dependence is not at the absorption peaks where the saturation is very strong. But the average effect including the margins of the profile are not saturated and thus just redistributes the absorption further away from the center as more CO2 is added.
Still in order to get the full picture it is necessary to bring in the deviations from the simple Beer equation, that absorption coefficient depends on distance z like exp(-Az). Beer’s equation is a better approximation for shorter wavelengths where there is no molecular population at the upper level of the transitions. The deviation from that approximation was described by Schwarzschild before he died at the front during WWI.
(Incidentally Britains physicist Moseley also died during WWI so neither Germany nor Britain felt they should give special cover to their physics scholars)
One consequence is that the absorption coefficient is in a practical sense dependent on reradiation into the absorption path so its a global feature, not simply reducible to the absorption at one particular point. But rather dependent on the global properties of the path and the temperature along its length.
That complication is what I meant when I said it ought to be studied separately under prepared conditions to demonstrate in a pedagogical manner what the bare effect of adding CO2.
Actually Swedens Ångström had experimental problems due to not completely representing this effect. So couldnt determine the absorption data at that earlier time when less refined equipment was available.
Fred is right about the climate science as it reaches the public hasnt done a great job in explaining the subject well since skeptics make such loud pronouncements.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 6 2024 7:02 utc | 350

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 6:35 utc | 352
In the spirit of open debate, here is the reference I quoted earlier. You and others might enjoy it.
“Deciding to believe”, in Bernard Williams (ed.), Problems of the Self: Philosophical Papers 1956–1972 (Cambridge 1973) pp. 136–51.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 6 2024 8:08 utc | 352

The magic
The magic of the political showbiz industry, the art of theatre for the entertainment and confusion of the plebs, needs all the polemics it can find.
If a man says he feels like a woman and wants to enter the women’s showers and a weight-lifting championship. Perfect. Simply perfect.
We have another feature so that the plebs do not confuse the two teams of servile lackeys who work for us and are at our service.
We have just seen it in London.
Power has changed the butler, the cook, the chauffeur and the gardener.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 6 2024 8:58 utc | 354

re “2023 Comprehensive Refutiation of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis”
And Clovis is still first — right ?
ROFLMAO !
Especially note the way the argument (as always) drops the pretense at “scientific rigor” at the end to conclude that we MUST continue to BELIEVE that . . .
Trust (believe in) “the science” here. As always.
See the tusk for details.

Posted by: Bedford | Sep 6 2024 9:13 utc | 356

@Bedford | Sep 6 2024 9:13 utc | 360
Thanks for that post. Good to see there are still people with both feet on the ground.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 9:18 utc | 358

For those interested in the topic of the formation of the Carolina Bays
Evidence for Younger Dryas Cataclysm at the Carolina Bays – Interviewing Antonio Zamora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmndmJek0ik&list=PLmd4S3n7PlE0SQydqn22hV9_-oefM80AL

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 9:27 utc | 360

The sustainability of energy expenditure is another problem
In fact, both in America and Europe, gasoline is currently sold to us adulterated with 10% ethanol
In America, Donald sold it as help for hard-working farmers and European puppets sell it as something ecological
Imagine if bakers were allowed to sell adulterated bread
Another thing is the revolution in renewable energy sources and the revolution (2024-30) in storage systems
But let’s not mix seven different things into one mental mess

Posted by: Simon | Sep 6 2024 9:44 utc | 362

JFK collided with two bullets.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:55 utc | 364

@Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:52 utc | 367

out of your ass

Juvenile trolling. Never mind this guy. Just go with the facts and make up your own minds.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 9:59 utc | 366

Why does it matter to them that it’s man-made?
Because then some can say they know it can be stopped/averted if ‘our actions’ are the cause;
they can judge who of us are (more) responsible for it;
Some can then also say what has to stop it, then how and why we should stop it;
while others get ti say anyone working in the energy industry are just evil cunts even when those saying it are buying the stuff they sell their whole lives.
Then there is the issue that it is simply a fact about the evidence of what is causing the current unprecedented extremely rapid global heating and destabilization of the climate system globally.
Labeling what it is correctly, as man-made, is just a scientific fact. It defines it as being different, scientifically from past known eras of global temperature heating that were definitely not man-made. And that’s all there ever was to it. Scientists label anything and everything. It’s what they do.
Still it’s complicated. Very complicated. There’s people like Michael E. Mann who believes he’s a modern day Jesus Christ on a mission that only he can achieve. He’s gone mad. And yet most people live their lives on the very edge of sanity and barely know anything at all about the world.
The Big Question of our time is – even if it is man made, can it actually be stopped or not?
I think not. Because collectively we’re too fucking stupid and too fucking selfish and greedy beyond the pale. And too fucking scared to take on the lying fucking powers that be that control everything and drive the system that has put us on the current trajectory to annihilation – if Nukes don’t get us soon then being cooked alive in a hot house earth – in reality more likely dying from starvation and thirst or violence or heat stroke – will surely do the job anyway.

Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 10:17 utc | 368

“Just go with the facts” …. sure, eat this:
https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/16/3761/2016/acp-16-3761-2016.pdf
I have 500+ more ready to go …

Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 10:23 utc | 370

LARGE PLATINUM ANOMALY IN THE GISP2 ICE CORE: EVIDENCE FOR A CATACLYSM AT THE
BØLLING-ALLERØD/YOUNGER DRYAS BOUNDARY?
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/1046.pdf

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 10:36 utc | 372

Certainly
Certainly someone could argue that the adulterated fuel (with 10% bio-ethanol) they sell us…
is an economic aid to the mechanics’ workshops and a blessing for the carburettor manufacturers
On the other hand, the alcohol (now called bio-ethanol) is adulterated so that the serfs do not drink it without paying the tax on alcoholic beverages

Posted by: Simon | Sep 6 2024 10:44 utc | 374

“Not sure why you’re hanging the ethanol boondoggle on Trump”
—
because this well-known theatre artist wanted gasoline to be sold with 15% alcohol instead of the previous 10%
We can discuss ad nauseam whether Obama is or is not a better performing artist than Donald
But the sentimental connection of many of the common people, like schoolgirls, with these lackeys of Power is touching

Posted by: Simon | Sep 6 2024 11:34 utc | 376

@ Simon | Sep 6 2024 11:34 utc | 380
E15 has been promoted since at least 2012; same goes for E85.
You have my permission to stop embarrassing yourself.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2024 11:53 utc | 378

Tobias cole @ 375
Says …. v for vengence…..
Whats that all about.
And…. your secound name ‘cole’ is that some play on words ? As in ‘coal’
Agendas agendas agendas every ones got a dam agenda

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 6 2024 11:59 utc | 380

All deniers of scientific consensus regarding the climate, Exxon Mobil, Chevron and BP sincerely thank you for your steadfast support.

Posted by: Northern Eve | Sep 6 2024 12:23 utc | 382

All deniers of scientific consensus regarding the climate, Exxon Mobil, Chevron and BP sincerely thank you for your steadfast support.
Posted by: Northern Eve | Sep 6 2024 12:23 utc | 386

It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So.

You have absolutely no clue regardingthe climate, Exxon Mobil, Chevron and BP, but keep your head buried in the sand and keep the faith.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 6 2024 14:28 utc | 384

“Conspiracy to Defraud the US”

Arrest warrants have now been issued for Chris Pavlovski, CEO of Rumble, and Andrew Torba, CEO of GAB, on charges of Conspiracy to Defraud the US …
https://x.com/BearGeopolitics/status/1831788727368355963

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2024 15:08 utc | 386

The reason for using ethanol is simple.
Posted by: jinn | Sep 6 2024 15:47 utc | 391
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The reason that ethanol is used in the USA is because it is a farm subsidy.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2024 15:51 utc | 388

I have to buy special fuel that costs many times more.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 15:51 utc | 393
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100LL available at practically all airports isn’t that expensive.
https://jet-a1-fuel.com/avgas/norway

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2024 15:55 utc | 390

Posted by: horseguards | Sep 6 2024 16:01 utc | 395
I don’t believe their short position is a hedge.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2024 16:05 utc | 392

@Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 16:05 utc | 397
100LL isn’t Jet-A.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2024 16:08 utc | 394

Ethanol-adulterated gasoline has been around since the 1990s and has always been promoted by the Beltway consensus
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2024 10:36 utc | 377
That statement is False.
First of all ethanol has been used as a fuel for spark ignited internal combustion engines for well over 100 years. Why? Because its a better fuel than gasoline. That’s why its used in high performance race cars.
For well over 100 years the oil companies and US govt have been brainwashing you to believe lies such as ethanol has only been used recently and is detrimental to you and your car.
Posted by: jinn | Sep 6 2024 15:47 utc | 391
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Hate to break it to you, but most of us don’t drive race cars. As auto fuel for the masses it didn’t start appearing in the USA until the 1990s.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2024 16:22 utc | 396

ZH has a posting up withther title
Great Replacement Job Shock: 1.3 Million Native-Born Americans Just Lost Their Jobs, Replaced By 635,000 Immigrants
the quote

At the start of the year, many months after we first pointed out that the biggest untold story of the US labor market was the “great replacement” of native born workers with foreign-born workers (most of whom we subsequently learned were illegal aliens), we asked how is it, that the ongoing replacement (because that’s what it is) of US workers is “not the biggest political talking point right now” considering that “since October 2019, native-born US workers have lost 1.4 million jobs; over the same period foreign-born workers have gained 3 million jobs”

I agree with the posting and wonder when my fellow Americans are going to take their country back from the God Of Mammon cult

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 6 2024 16:59 utc | 398

Julianna,
Ignore the detractors, most of us Barflies enjoy your posts. I hope the Major Domo is allocating you enough water in this heat wave.
BTW A few days ago it was the celebration of New Years – well at least until 1453

Posted by: Exile | Sep 6 2024 17:21 utc | 400