@ grunzt | Sep 5 2024 10:11 utc | 146
thanks grunzt.. i appreciate your posts and elucidation on what is happening in germany, as it is indeed confusing to an outsider..

Posted by: james | Sep 5 2024 16:09 utc | 204

Meanwhile…

As China’s power grows, candidates use it as attack line
The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2024/09/01
There have been 171 campaign ads for congressional or presidential candidates mentioning China so far this cycle.

NUthin new here.
When things aint going well, blame China.
As the toothpaste commercial goes…
It works !
Now what does it says about the gringo..?

Posted by: denk | Sep 5 2024 16:13 utc | 206

@waynorinorway | Sep 5 2024 15:45 utc | 199

I agree with the prominent geologist (name?) who said after photos from space confirmed J Harlen Bretz’s work,
“We are all catastrophists now”.

Indeed. I heard of J Harlen Bretz’s work from Randall Carlson, he was waaay ahead of his time and his career was destroyed by ‘consensus’. It turns out he was right. All good!

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2024 16:15 utc | 208

If it’s not raining it’s going to, then afterwards there will be some sunshine. After that it will rain again.
Temperatures will go up and then down, unless they are going down in which case they will later go down.
All within the space of a year.
I spare you my hundred year forecast.
Thank you for your contribution. Oh you’re welcome.
(Maybe economists are weathermen in disguise ?)

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 16:19 utc | 210

persiflo@1525
You do cover a broad spectrum amongst the doomers and the denialists and present several of the more common arguments amongst them. However, you did not include the long-proven and even admitted climate control geo-engineering schemes by the U$$A regime and others of chemtrailing and interference with the ionosphere by such efforts as the massive array in Gokona, Alaska.
Primary substances scraped from chemtrail residues on vehicles, etc. have inevitably included large proportions of aluminum and considerable iterations of barium and selenium. The propounded purpose is to negate or to dampen solar input by clouding up the joint. Scarier inclusions in some of the scrapings have even included human blood platelets.
The Globalists and their controlled mass media of mindfuckery have sent the doomers off the deep edge into “victimizing” carbon dioxide. Heaviest infected media absorbers appear to center on college and university mis-educated females…along with soyboy males….generally but not exclusively occurring amongst terminally deluded sub-urbanites…here in the $tates, anyway.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 5 2024 16:28 utc | 212

I hope this merits my again unduly longish comment, for which I’d like to apologize.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 5 2024 15:25 utc | 194
Wonderful comment and no apologies needed. The Bard said, ‘Brevity is the soul of wit.’ However, some ideas do need a little longer to flesh out.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 5 2024 16:34 utc | 214

“Interesting, but I have to agree with the first answer you got there, the apex was no later that 1855 and by 1873 GB was in a slump that would last two decades.”
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 4 2024 7:22 utc | 6
There was a slump in America as well caused , of course, by the Europeans:
“The Panic of 1873
After the Civil War, the US banking system grew rapidly and seemed to be set on solid ground. But the country was hit by many banking crises. One of the worst happened in 1873 – during the time of the Freedman’s Bank.
The panic started with a problem in Europe, when the stock market crashed. Investors began to sell off the investments they had in American projects, particularly railroads. Back in those days, railroads were a new invention, and companies had been borrowing money to get the cash they needed to build new lines. Railroad companies borrowed using bonds, which were debt securities specifying how much a company was borrowing and how much interest it would pay.
When Europeans started selling their railroad bonds, there were soon more bonds for sale than anyone wanted. Railroad companies could no longer find anyone who would lend them cash. Many railroads went bankrupt.
One of the biggest banks in New York City was Jay Cooke & Company. It had invested a lot of money in the railroads, and when the railroads started having problems, Jay Cooke & Company went bankrupt. When people saw that such a big bank failed, they began to run to their banks, demanding all of their money back.
The panic spread to banks in Washington, DC, Pennsylvania, New York, Virginia and Georgia, as well as to banks in the Midwest, including those in Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio. Nationwide, at least 100 banks failed.”

Posted by: canuck | Sep 5 2024 16:35 utc | 216

While the US, Uk, EU and Ireland close down their coal fired power plants, China and Russia and India open new coal fired power plants every single month.
Its all green new deal socialist sophistry……their is no hard scientific data that proves that global warming is anything but part of the natural earth cycle of warming and cooling. To state that burning coal has any long term impacts on climate is complete bull roar.
This planet has warmed and cooler in cycles for billions of years…….get with it, burn coal live better, warmer and cheaper…..or bankrupt the middle class with monstrous power rate increases…your choice Kamyhoe Harris lovers…….

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 5 2024 16:36 utc | 218

Carlton Meyer, who occasionally visits these forums, made a YouTube documentary about how US invasion and occupation of Haiti in the early 20th century stifled the country’s development.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 5 2024 10:37 utc | 151
No, no, no. According to Pat Robertson – of 700 club fame, it was Haiti’s pact with the devil. He should know; he is (is he still alive?) only two degrees away from the devil himself.
Some evangelical rewriting of history huh?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Sep 5 2024 16:48 utc | 220

An epic obvious scam nears its end

Trump Media’s 69% Plunge Wipes Out Billions Before Lockups End
. Shares fall in 22 of last 27 sessions, losing 46% of value
. Trump’s personal profit from deal takes $3.7 billion haircut
The stock price of Donald Trump’s once-high-flying media company is sinking just as the lockup period from its blank-check deal is about to end, potentially flooding a saturated market with even more shares.
Trump Media & Technology Group Corp., which was worth nearly $10 billion in mid-May, has fallen 69% since its market capitalization peaked on May 9 and is now worth less than $3.4 billion. The selloff has accelerated in the past month, with the shares falling in 22 of the 27 sessions through Wednesday’s close and losing more than 45% in the process. That pressure is only expected to increase when the deal lockup expires as soon as Sept. 19 and insiders can start unloading their equity.
continues ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-05/trump-media-s-69-plunge-wipes-out-billions-before-lockups-end

Backstory ==> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-07-17/trump-media-has-some-stock-to-sell

Posted by: too scents | Sep 5 2024 16:49 utc | 222

@Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 5 2024 6:49 utc | 137
Utterly delusional thinking, the oligarchy are playing both “sides” in the Western nations but in reality there is little difference between those sides. There is no global hidden cabal controlling all governments (just those in the West and in their vassals and its really the US oligarchy), and the Soviet Union was utterly detested by the Western oligarchs as it challenged the sanctity of oligarch property and dominance. That’s why they hate China, as the Party-state keeps the capitalist elements well under control and under state power, with rich people’s property being conditional on serving the nation.
@Posted by: canuck | Sep 5 2024 9:14 utc | 145
Very much in agreement on this subject
@Posted by: grunzt | Sep 5 2024 10:11 utc | 146
No mystery, your elites are traitors who do the bidding of the US.
@Posted by: Sid Victor Cattoni | Sep 5 2024 15:26 utc | 195

The two currently prevalent sides to the climate change debate:
– Climate change is completely natural and has happened multiple times before so we should do nothing.
– Climate change is a man-made phenomenon and we can totally stop it if we reduce our CO2 output below an arbitrary amount.

Climate change can be completely natural and has happened multiple times before AND climate change can be anthropogenically driven as it is currently and can be stopped by scientifically-calculated reductions in anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions (not just CO2). There fixed it for you.
The bit you miss is that “adaptation” to the rate of climate change that we are looking at if we do not take mitigating actions equals the collapse of modern civilization. So your position is really just dressed-up anthropogenic climate change denial.
@Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 5 2024 15:10 utc | 192
There are many outright deniers of anthropogenic climate change, you are being disingenuous. There are also many that argue that it will not have a big impact, which is just denial of the basic science of anthropogenic climate change.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 5 2024 16:51 utc | 224

@Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 5 2024 16:36 utc | 219
Chinese emissions will fall this year, and the next, and the next … so you will have to start using some other BS to support your position.

Posted by: Roger | Sep 5 2024 16:52 utc | 226

From where I’m looking AGM theory is an attempt to reduce western dependence on hydrocarbons due to the leverage offered to producing nations, the cost of maintaining foreign exploitation, and due to emerging market competition combined with finite supply.
There is nothing wrong with energy diversity and efficiency obviously, until you turn a general direction into a project in the hands of bureaucracy and associates …

Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 16:56 utc | 228

too scents@1649
The owners of Wall $trret, essentially the Rottenfeller Crime Clan with their 54% shareholder control over the Federal Reserve Bank of New York…despise the Orange Man, mainly because he is considered somewhat of a loose cannon. The greatest fear on the part of the ruling financiers can be summed up in three simple words: “OUT OF CONTROL”.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 5 2024 17:00 utc | 230

Roger@1651
Frankly, my Dear Sir, I expected more from you. Carbon Dioxide emissions are but a minor factor in anthropogenic climate change. Primary factors are CLIMATE ENGINEERING…produced on the orders of the Cabalistas.
Ever look up at the skies and notice those chemtrails? Ever read or hear about the facility in Gokona, Alaska?
Please do consider ALL possibilities in the climate change equation. The totality of “officials”, “experts” and “authorities” all work for the usual suspects or otherwise face the prospect of economic deplatforming.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 5 2024 17:06 utc | 232

ornot@1656
Wanna know the cure for depletion of “fossil fuel” resources? Do what the Mayans did some hundreds of years ago…abandon your amazing cities and head for the hills. Consider the mileage generated by sub-urbanites swarming into the rat-race to their daily labors. Consider the galloping ghost of military planes, tanks, ships and other devourers of petroleum resources.
Thus, the simple but painful solution…abandon centralized economic madness as well as centralized governance and make PEACE…with each other and with Holy Mother Earth.

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 5 2024 17:12 utc | 234

fnord@100 makes the excellent true point that Roger’s invocation of “parental rights” is in fact an uncritical affirmation of parents’ property rights in children. That kind of nonsense I think is why Roger somehow thinks being a parent who is even less qualified than a teacher to see children more objectively but no more professionally trained in social work or clinical psychology should still control their children’s minds and bodies. Reactionaries ultimately hold property rights to be the only real rights. Consistent reactionaries have issues with public education. (By the way, the legal doctrine “in loco parentis” is generally held to apply to schools, which should be food for thought.) To top it all off, anybody who went to public school knows the social pressures of the peer group far outweigh the powers of mere teachers, especially in middle schools and high schools.
Norwegian@138 asks directly if I would care to be called a null hypothesis denier, thinking it is a gotcha question. As a matter of fact, I do deny that finding statistical significance for refutation of the null hypothesis is the royal road to science. The notorious p-value manipulation that has contributed so much to the notorious replication crisis in many fields of research depends on this false judgment. Sound statistics doesn’t rest there. There’s a reason Bayesian inference/statistics are also a necessary part of the effective research methodologies. The null-hypothesis treated as a magic touchstone is a royal road to error. All this (and Norwegian’s previous comment responding to Patroklos) seem to stem from the infamous philosopher Karl Popper. In my view, Popper corrupted his own philosophy of science to try to “refute” Marxism (and psychoanalysis.) The problem is, Popper also devised an impossibly limited philosophy of science that also undermined all historical science…including historical sciences like geology, cosmology, biology. Popper was such a buffoon he had trouble accepting Darwin!
All this is compounded when “the” null hypothesis is wrongly chosen. The null hypothesis is not that current magnitudes of carbon dioxide and climate are currently within long term variation (as in hundreds of thousands of years or longer,) i.e., due to chance. The correct null hypothesis (insofar as such a crude methodology is even useful for such a complex question!) is closer to: Are the rates of change in carbon dioxide currently being produced/will be produced compatible with adaptation by world economy and large segments of the world’s biomes, given the physics of insolation, so that climate will continue to be more or less the same as that produced by normal variation, that is to say, chance?
A comment on the human extinction of the megafauna? I’m not sure that buffalo don’t count as megafauna, the stuffed one I saw in the Smithsonian seemed pretty mega to me. Any theory of how camels and horses were hunted to extinction needs I think to account why the buffalo’s near extinction awaited horses and guns. It occurs to me that the advent of humans, besides possibly bringing new grass species, did increase the number of fires…which changes the kinds of plants animals feed on. Grasses with a higher silicon content resist fire better, but many grazing animals don’t digest them as well. Their extinction and the extinction of predators who fed on them resulted? Maybe, maybe not. Also, wikipedia says the extinction of the megafauna in the Americas was “virtually simultaneous” because it took about 3 000 years. That’s sound on the geological time scale, but on the human? That’s what, a hundred generations?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 5 2024 17:25 utc | 236

@vargas | Sep 5 2024 17:25 utc | 238

I managed to have no care

I think you share that with many 🙂

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2024 17:32 utc | 238

I dont wanna bore people with Chinese genocide talk, but persiflow and canuck’s question from the previous thread begs for a reply.

Pray tell me how ‘Scorpion spouts nonsense”?
Barflies are advised to exercise caution with the comments of poster “Fred”. Fred reminds me in many aspects of his conduct of ‘Lavrov’s Dog’, who has been banned here with good reason.
If Fred manages to conduct himself without insults and shows willingness to engage in open discussion, all without spamming the precious threads here, I will refrain from slander and accusation.

I say..
Are they for real ?
To recap
The poop‘s goto China expurt Trump, Carlson etc prosytyze the wuflu meme, inciting a global genocide against Chinese.
Prolly hundreds of thousands have been slain so far.
https://tinyurl.com/56w6h69t
The bloodbath had hardly subsided when our prof dropped the ‘bombshell’,

Wuflu made in wiv, targets Blacks/Whites while sparing Jew/Han.

Thank gawd this hasnt triggered an even deadlier genocide against Chinese, …so far.
————–
Just when you think its safe to go back to the water…
The poop dropped another ‘bombshell’, copy and pasting nutjob Mike Adams insane whopper.

Chinese arms for BLM !

FFS
This is how FUKUS set the Chinese up for genocide ,1965

Chinese arms for commie coup plotters

CIA planting ‘evidence’, ‘Chinese arm supplies, complete with hammer and sickle insignia’, conveniently found by INdon police
Marshall Green gloated ecstatically,

Great chance to nail the chicom

3M wiped out in CIA’S greatest hit.
The poop isnt your run of the mill troll, those are a dime a dozen.
hERE’S a hate monger promoting genocide against the Chinese, in MOA of all places.
Whadayaknow
The poop garnered a shit load of fans here.
who demand why am I ‘stalking‘ their guru
Some punk even threaten violence !
enough of genocide talk ,
Good nite.

Posted by: denk | Sep 5 2024 17:51 utc | 240

If it’s not raining it’s going to, then afterwards there will be some sunshine. After that it will rain again.
Temperatures will go up and then down, unless they are going down in which case they will later go down.
All within the space of a year.
I spare you my hundred year forecast.
Thank you for your contribution. Oh you’re welcome.
(Maybe economists are weathermen in disguise ?)
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 5 2024 16:19 utc | 211
Hah, your post reminded me of something posted somewhere else long ago. If you have a sense of humor, read on:
“First, I asked Stephen Belcher, the head of the Met Office Hadley Centre, whether the recent extended winter was related to global warming. Shaking his famous “ghost stick”, and fingering his trademark necklace of sharks’ teeth and mammoth bones, the loin-clothed Belcher blew smoke into a conch, and replied,
“Here come de heap big warmy. Bigtime warmy warmy. Is big big hot. Plenty big warm burny hot. Hot! Hot hot! But now not hot. Not hot now. De hot come go, come go. Now Is Coldy Coldy. Is ice. Hot den cold. Frreeeezy ice til hot again. Den de rain. It faaaalllll. Make pasty.”
Startled by this sobering analysis, I moved on to Professor Rowan Sutton, Climate Director of NCAS at the University of Reading. Professor Sutton said that many scientists are, as of this moment, examining the complex patterns in the North Atlantic, and trying to work out whether the current run of inclement European winters will persist.
When pressed on the particular outlook for the British Isles. Professor Sutton shook his head, moaned eerily unto the heavens, and stuffed his fingers into the entrails of a recently disembowelled chicken, bought fresh from Waitrose in Teignmouth.
Hurling the still-beating heart of the chicken into a shallow copper salver, Professor Sutton inhaled the aroma of burning incense, then told the Telegraph: “The seven towers of Agamemnon tremble. Much is the discord in the latitude of Gemini. When, when cry the sirens of doom and love. Speckly showers on Tuesday.”

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 5 2024 18:19 utc | 242

“So you know that to be true.
Would you call that a man made problem or nature and their for not needing human ‘intervention'”
Now apply that simple logic to the planet or indavidual countrys.”
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 5 2024 16:52 utc | 226
I laughed HARDER AT YOUR SIMPLISTIC ANAOLGY THAN I HAVE FOR DAYS!
THANK YOU

Posted by: canuck | Sep 5 2024 18:49 utc | 244

“I am not sure why you bring up powerful Jews when I referred to Trotsky as a stooge.”
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 5 2024 18:45 utc | 244
I am not a Communist , not at all, yet I am an admirer of Trotsky who was a fine idealist, sharp, a superb general without formal training-obviously a talented politician et al where do you get the idea that the man was a , ‘stooge’?

Posted by: canuck | Sep 5 2024 19:04 utc | 246

Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 5 2024 4:05 utc | 123
They are not free thinkers, but mere subjects of those who would treat them as a flock of sheep.
Mayby Bilderberg have some answers
https://www.docdroid.net/DDu7zJf/silent-weapons-for-quiet-wars-a-pdf

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 5 2024 19:11 utc | 248

Interesting to know, what do you belive, all you who deny scientific consensus regarding the climate if you read this article for example https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202409/1319254.shtml,
Do you think China seems to act as if scientific consensus exists only because
of business interests, and do you think US and the west, have other interests than an unipolar world order when they act as if they are denying it?

Posted by: Northern Eve | Sep 5 2024 19:15 utc | 250

The above is faulty. Would you wait for complete evidence (for whatever now that is) when dire warnings arrive, say that a dam broke upstream and a floodwave will soon smash the towns in its path?
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 5 2024 15:25 utc | 194
How about doomers constantly say a dam will break. According to propaganda, virtually every Chinese dam is a failure and on the verge of breaking.
But the dam analogy – dams have various water levels which rise up and down and in very wet times water releases over the spillways to prevent danger to the dam.
The holocene itself is like a dam with constantly fluctuating water levels. But the Holocene itself is an anomaly in climate history, not the the norm.
The peak absurdity of the climate change religion was in carting that idiot child about as a mascot to meet what pass as leaders here in the debauched west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 5 2024 19:32 utc | 252

@Roger | Sep 5 2024 16:51 utc | 225
You interpret playing both sides as referring to common political camps. But I was thinking about how Britain in particular has been playing both fascists and communists.
And manipulating both sides. Not just using what happened to be there.
Thus Trotsky as well as the fascist elites were Britains stooges.
But when they play them they usually manage to turn them enthusiastic and unsuspicious.
Britain has historically for a couple of centuries shown that their upper classes have very competent agents of influence.
Britain played Marx as well. David Urquhart controlled what literature he could access.
But Marx managed to get the information that one visitor of a Moa thread pointed out how Marx (in agreement with the book’s sources) considered Britain to be in collusion with Russia in the war with Charles XII.
Britains first sponsored and encouraged Sweden to attack and later betrayed them.
Then you might think that this proves how Marx was in opposition to Britain in that case and that Urquhart wouldnt have wanted Marx to get his hand on that piece of evidence.
However note that Marx was under Britains protection and had the best working conditions in his life there.
And Britain was the capitalist Lions Den.
So by encouraging Marx to think that they might keep being in collusion with Tsar Russia they would stimulate him to go after Russia.
Which was Britain’s intended aim.
Marx himself could not have seriously believed that Britain would protect him for letting him transform the British empire.
He knew all along that the idea was that he aided Britains geopolitical aims.
Marx like most revolutionaries are a bit like artists.
And like artists often totally dependent on wealthy sponsors.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 5 2024 19:40 utc | 254

Posted by: grunzt | Sep 5 2024 10:11 utc | 146
At the German regional elections of September 1st, the three governing parties reached, taken together, some 12 percent of the vote! Over 30 percent in both Thuringia and Saxony went to the AfD, which is the major true opposition party we have.
Meet the AfD leader
Alice Elisabeth Weidel
(born 6 February 1979) is a German politician who has been serving as co-chairwoman of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party alongside Tino Chrupalla since June 2022.[1]
She studied economics and business administration at the University of Bayreuth and graduated as one of the best in the year in 2004.[6] After receiving her undergraduate degree, Weidel went to work for Goldman Sachs Asset Management from July 2005 to June 2006 as an analyst in Frankfurt.[7][8] In the late 2000s, she worked at the Bank of China, and lived for six years in China[5][9] where she learned to speak Mandarin.[10] Subsequently, she wrote a doctoral thesis with the health economist Peter Oberender at the Faculty of Law and Economics in Bayreuth on the future of the Chinese pension system. In 2011, she received a doctorate in international development.[5][7][11][12] Her doctorate was supported by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation.[13]
From March 2011 to May 2013, she worked as Vice President at Allianz Global Investors in Frankfurt.[8][7]
She is happily married to a woman

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 5 2024 19:40 utc | 256

@Norwegian | Sep 5 2024 19:33 utc | 254
You still havent grasped the difference between the large scale calculations that climate scientists use and the much more restricted calculations I was referring to where there is no fundamental problem other than collecting more accurate empirical data.
That concerns accurate measurements of how resonant heat radiation interacts with the molecules under realistic conditions.
The purpose is to prove how the bare effect of CO2 comes in.
It isnt intended to predict climate.
The purpose is to prove to skeptics that there is a net effect in a realistic athmosphere.
Clouds dont need to be considered.
Once you have understood that there is such a net effect under cleancut conditions it should convince the skeptics about the qualitative side.
It is real.
But to go from there to a quantitative result is a different matter.
It is interesting that any linear feedback
can never bring down the primary effect by more than half.
I think it would have had pedagogical value in this polarised condition.
I was never arguing about the things you mean.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 5 2024 20:01 utc | 258

Norweigan 256
I think you understand what I mean, I´m genuinely inerested in your answer…
I remember there was a conference up in the Arctic Areas some years ago, with many countries, USA also participated, at the end of this meeting, the leaders of the conference wanted to send a message to media about the meating, and they wanted to mention the effect of the climate changes in the Arctic, but the americans didn´t accept that they mentioned “climate changes” in the report to media….can you understand why? And please answer my question about China and the US!

Posted by: Northern Eve | Sep 5 2024 20:12 utc | 260

The FBI just placed telegram founder Durov on it’s wanted list!
https://t.me/AussieCossack/22337
https://x.com/aussiecossack/status/1831758767735894281?s=19

I stated from the first day that this was the likely goal, and sort of joked that he should flee to the Ecuadorean embassy in Paris. Aussie Cossack is pretty reliable, if true I don’t see how the French govt. can not be forced to extradite Durov, granted there first needs to be a request made from the USA, but I’d say the FBI just tied it own hands and forced that, it’ll now have to make the request.
He could do worse than flee to the Russian embassy, or the Emirates and throw some really big money around, maybe get smuggled out rolled up inside an oriental carpet? Or maybe run to the Chinese embassy just to really fuck everyone up including the Chinese. That’s all a joke too, he doesn’t seem the type to spend seven years locked in a small building sleeping in an unused office.
My sense is the French and FBI are doing the prisoner’s dilemma, good cop, bad cop on him, he’ll cave, I’m sure he already has, expect Telegram to end or become happy and hopeless like Twitter or Facebook.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 5 2024 20:39 utc | 262

If Russia were to provide intelligence to drugs or people smugglers – how would that go down in Western capitals?

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 5 2024 20:58 utc | 264

@Northern Eve | Sep 5 2024 20:49 utc | 264
If you have a sincere scientific statement or question regarding the supposed reality of man made climate change, you will get a sincere answer from me.
What you are writing now is pure politics and is of no interest to the current debate. The fact that there are scientific realities is no evidence of supposed “scientific consensus”, that is a total misunderstanding. It looks like you are unable to understand the difference between science and politics, and if it continues I will stop replying.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2024 21:12 utc | 266

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2024 21:12 utc | 267
It looks like you are unable to understand the difference between science and politics, and if it continues I will stop replying.
And there you have it. Truth versus narrative and rhetoric. But Nietzsche more or less demonstrated that science is pure narrative and rhetoric, and therefore science is political. The naivety here is gobsmacking.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 5 2024 21:20 utc | 268

@Patroklos | Sep 5 2024 21:20 utc | 269
I am sorry but if you think “science is pure narrative and rhetoric” there is no basis for discussion. There is a real world around us.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2024 21:34 utc | 270

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 5 2024 20:01 utc | 259
No computer models needed here, carbon dioxide is indeed special…
https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-pinpoint-the-quantum-origin-of-the-greenhouse-effect-20240807/

Posted by: Turdworld | Sep 5 2024 21:46 utc | 272

It is important to resolve the issue of supposed man made climate change because if you cannot prove its existence scientifically, what remains is an ideology concealed as science.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5 2024 21:30 utc | 270
An ideology concealed as science is the definition of scientism. It’s pseudoscience or political science at best, fraudulent science at worst.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 5 2024 22:07 utc | 274

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Sep 5 2024 20:01 utc | 259
No computer models needed here, carbon dioxide is indeed special…
https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-pinpoint-the-quantum-origin-of-the-greenhouse-effect-20240807/
Posted by: Turdworld | Sep 5 2024 21:46 utc | 273
I mentioned that the greenhouse effect for CO2 was logarithmic, not linear and was told I was wrong, that:
“Infra red absorption is proportional to the quantity of reagent. Linear. Not logarithmic.”
So to quote a brief sentence from your linked article:

A key question was the origin of the logarithmic scaling of the greenhouse effect — the 2-to-5-degree temperature rise that models predict will happen for every doubling of CO2.

Somebody’s wrong and it’s not me. Wonder what Nietzsche has to say about it.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 5 2024 22:21 utc | 276

@ Norwegian
And since science is entangled with applied science (i.e. technology) isn’t the question of why one does science and why one applies it in one way rather than another a problem of ethics? And for Aristotle that’s also a problem for politics. If humans at any stage have to make a decision (e.g. to apply a scientific principle), that decision is ethico-political. To cloak a decision as merely ‘good science’ is terrifying and leads to technocratic totalitarianism, the fallacy of self-interpreting evidence that lies behind much neoliberal managerialism.
So again I ask, if it could be proved to your satisfaction that the climate were, for the sake of hypothesis, being transformed by man-made activities, would you become St Paul or would you double-down on your beliefs?

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 5 2024 22:24 utc | 278

So again I ask, if it could be proved to your satisfaction that the climate were, for the sake of hypothesis, being transformed by man-made activities, would you become St Paul or would you double-down on your beliefs?
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 5 2024 22:24 utc | 279
The interesting thing about your philosphical question is that it’s perfectly symmentrical. Let me rephrase your question back to you with one minor revision:

So again I ask, if it could be proved to your satisfaction that the climate were, for the sake of hypothesis, not being transformed by man-made activities, would you become St Paul or would you double-down on your beliefs?

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 5 2024 22:34 utc | 280

Peter AU1 | Sep 5 2024 19:32 utc | 253
*** The peak absurdity of the climate change religion was in carting that idiot child about as a mascot to meet what pass as leaders here in the debauched west.***
But they may have gone off her now, since she appears to be pro-Palestinian.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 5 2024 22:43 utc | 282

@malenkov | 125

Only trouble is that the boys start looking awfully good to each other, as anyone familiar with English “public schools” can attest.

Robert Musil wrote about boarding school boyhood in Die Verwirrungen des Zöglings Törleß.

Posted by: persiflo | Sep 5 2024 22:48 utc | 284

Paul from Norway | Sep 5 2024 19:40 utc | 257
(details about leader of AfD) ……
With background like that (and I don’t mean her being a lesbian) there is absolutely no way I would trust her.
An establishment false-flag blocker of anyone genuine?

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 5 2024 22:54 utc | 286

Robert Musil wrote about boarding school boyhood in Die Verwirrungen des Zöglings Törleß.
Posted by: persiflo | Sep 5 2024 22:48 utc | 285
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Hab’ ich schon gelesen, ebenfalls grosse Teile vom Mann ohne Eigenschaften. Hab’ auch den Film mit dem gräßlichen Holzbläsermusik von Henze gesehen.
Mir ist der Schüler Gerber lieber, das Ende von diesem ist realistischer. Was Schüler betrifgt ist natürlich Frühlings Erwachen am besten.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 5 2024 23:45 utc | 288

@ LightYearsFromHome | Sep 5 2024 22:51 utc | 286
I guess such things matter to some people. Myself: So what? I cherish my brother, but it’s a cold day in Hell when we support the same candidate.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 5 2024 23:48 utc | 290

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 5 2024 23:48 utc | 290
“I’m totally lost on the second part.”
Really? What is it about the way prejudice seeks to universalise itself through the word ‘Nature’ that’s so unclear? Isn’t is the history of the 20th century? Conrad wrote a famous novella about it. Here, I’ll make it easy for you:
Step 1: Long-held medieval and religious Hatred of Jews
Step 2: 19th century development of racial theory in science (yes, science Norwegian!)
Step 3: Use of racial and genetic theory to establish hierarchies of race
Step 4: Extermination of lesser races
What just happened? Ideology became ‘reality’ via science. The sentence you couldn’t understand was just a more elegant and economic way to say it.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 5 2024 23:56 utc | 292

malenkov @ 291
Yeh, but the point is would your brother go public against you if you ran, or visa versa? Would eight members of your family not only choose to not act discretely but actually organize together publicly, going to the media as one group for emphasis and rub it in that much more? We all have families but Walz has it rough.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2024 0:00 utc | 294

aristodemos @123
A person as intelligent as you ought not to continue badmouthing the Christian faith as frequently as you do, without saying anything much more accurate than these generalizations. I wonder what has made you continue to do this, some bad experiences perhaps. In any case I think you ought to be corrected. My own limited scholarship isn’t a good answer, so I am quoting with apologies a short extract from a blog I frequent:

…In the 4th century, the great Bishop, Athanasius of Alexandria, wrote a biography on St. Antony of Egypt. St. Antony was among the first hermits. St. Athanasius was both a first rate theologian and an outstanding writer. For a time in which books were copied by hand, his small tome on St. Anthony became a “best-seller.” More than that, it set on fire the imagination of a generation of Romans (from all over the empire). The result was a massive growth in monasticism, such that the deserts of Egypt would eventually hold hundreds of thousands of monks (as unbelievable as it seems). Indeed, the entire matter looked like a state crisis, when the sons and daughter of the well-born were no longer producing children but pursuing God in the desert.
That initial impulse yielded the Desert Fathers and contained monastics from every walk of life, including those who had left the service of the Emperor in order to enter the service of God. They established a monasticism that would come to be a hallmark, especially of the Eastern Church. Constantinople had a massive population of monks.
Some have said that Anthony’s foundation of monasticism prepared the Church for the compromises that came along with the Church’s later embracement of the State under Constantine and later. The monastics had no place for compromise in their lives. They had a vision that believed entirely that the way of asceticism was a way to know God and to truly become a partaker of His life in this life.
Ever since those times, Orthodoxy in the East has often risen and fallen with the fortunes of the monasteries. They were a consistent force for Orthodoxy against the various heresies that arose and held to the faith in such a way that compromise of the truth seemed absurd…
Father Stephen Freeman ‘Glory to God for All Things’

This answer is specifically motivated by the current tragedies in Ukraine, among which not least is the rape of its ancient monasteries in service to the regime.
Along with the other attacks on Russian speaking Ukranians this, for the Orthodox, has been a terrible crime. Father Stephen’s short description of the early monastic tradition stands in contrast to your glib denunciation, aristodemos. You do not know whereof you speak. Constantine indeed headed the state and presided over councils, but that is all he did. He did not formulate the decisions made by the leaders of the church at that time. They based their decisions on Scripture as they had studied and discussed issues among themselves in their monasteries and churches.
I might say in conclusion that as head of state Putin has the same ‘hands off’ approach. He recognizes, as did the desert fathers, that his personal allegiance to the church is different from his role as leader of Russia with its many deep and different cultures. He would not speak against any of them as you do here.
Let the followers of gnosticism and of the questionably named Gospel of Thomas follow and teach what they believe. Constantine asked for unity among the followers of Christ, and that is what was attempted at these councils, basing their understandings – those of the attendees — on the four gospels and the teachings and traditions that had arisen among the followers of Christ and their disciples.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 6 2024 0:03 utc | 296

Step 3: Use of racial and genetic theory to establish hierarchies of race
Step 4: Extermination of lesser races
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 5 2024 23:56 utc | 293
Ah, the foundations of progressive sciences, like eugenics. Got it.

Posted by: Phil R | Sep 6 2024 0:08 utc | 298

Alice Elisabeth Weidel
(born 6 February 1979) is a German politician who has been serving as co-chairwoman of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party alongside Tino Chrupalla since June 2022.[1]… From March 2011 to May 2013, she worked as Vice President at Allianz Global Investors in Frankfurt.[8][7]
“She is happily married to a woman…”
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 5 2024 19:40 utc | 257
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“She is happily married to a woman…” Gay marriage is the new requirement for West European political types.
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Posted by: Ed | Sep 6 2024 0:13 utc | 300