Israel's Threat To Wage War On Hizbullah Is Getting More Serious
Yesterday the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo threatened to fire his Defense Minister Yoav Gallant:
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was set to oust Defense Minister Yoav Gallant from his position, a senior political official said on Monday. Netanyahu planned to add Gideon Saar's New Hope party to the coalition adding four seats to his Knesset majority.The move raised concern among the families of hostages currently held in Gaza because of Saar's position opposing a deal with Hamas that would see hostages freed. Stocks fell and gas prices spiked amid expectations of the government reshuffle.
The rift between Netanyahu and Gallant has widened in recent months after the defense minister opposed the prime minister's refusal to agree to a deal that would free hostages. The position of the Defense Ministry, the IDF, Shin Bet and Mossad is that Israel can deal with the security risks that would emerge from such a deal and that the release of hostages must be a priority.
Gallant, despite being as radical as Netanyahoo, is the only asset the U.S. government still has in the cabinet:
U.S. officials are concerned over the possible Gallant ousting, claiming he is the 'only adult in the room' in Netanyahu's government after the relations between the prime minister and U.S. President Joe Biden have again soured ...
Gallant is opposed to several of Netanyahoo's policies:
- He wants a ceasefire deal in Gaza that would allow the hostages to be freed. Netanyahoo rejects a ceasefire.
- He wants to prevent a law that would exempt Haredi men from military service. The Ultraorthodox members of the cabinet press Netanyahoo to pass the exemption.
- He is skeptical about an attack on Hezbollah in Lebanon. Other parts of the coalition are pressing for it.
After being threatened to be fired Gallant conceded on the last point:
In the shadow of the attempts to remove him and replace him with the chairman of the New Hope Party Gideon Sa'ar, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant changed his tone Monday and in a closed security discussion \ with Netanyahu he said: "I kept talking about escalation or negotiating an agreement [with Hizbullah], but there is no possibility of reaching an agreement. There is only one option: to go full force and use all our military power in order to bring the residents of the north home."
Since October 8, a day after the Hamas operation to snatch more hostages, Hezbollah has been firing missiles towards Israeli settlements along the Lebanese border. Following that the Israeli government evacuated at least 60,000 people from the border zone.
It was the first time that Israel conceded something like a buffer zone within its borders.
After 11 months the 60,000+ people have become a burden for the economy. Away from their homes and places of work the people are unproductive. On top of that the state has to cover the costs of their food and lodging.
After last nights meetings the Israeli government declared that the return of the settlers to north would now be a major war aim. This makes an imminent war with Hizbullah much more likely:
Right now is the closest Israel has been to a full war with Hezbollah since October 7.
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The Jerusalem Post has received indications behind the scenes, at both the political and military levels, from sources who, although beforehand were pouring cold water on the public statements, are now signaling that these statements are serious.Their reasons highlight how realities have changed a lot over the course of the war.
Throughout, the main reason not to enter into war with Hezbollah was to avoid distractions that might handicap the IDF from its goal of taking apart all 24 of Hamas’s battalions in Gaza.
Gallant declared Hamas’s last battalion in Rafah defeated on August 21, nearly a month ago.
In reality neither has Hamas been defeated nor has the killing of Gazans by Israeli forces stopped. The genocide continues as to daily losses on the Israeli side of the war.
But Hizbullah is a more and more pressing issues. Soon bad winter weather will set in which will disallow the full use of drones and air force assets on which Israeli forces depend.
It is either now or after waiting another four months.
Netanyahoo and his cabinet seems to be under the illusion that a war with Hizbullah is winnable. Despite all Israeli trickery with booby trapped pagers it is not. Hizbullahs well protected missile arsenal is likely to overcome all Israeli defenses. Israel is likely to end up on the losing side of any such conflagration.
A war could easily be avoided. Hizbullah has promised to end the current strife as soon as a durable ceasefire is signed between Israel and Gaza.
Netanyahoo's rejection of any permanent ceasefire in Gaza makes an Israel attack on Lebanon, and the following losses, an inevitable consequence.
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Posted by: Polli | Sep 17 2024 13:37 utc | 3
Let the Houthis end it.
Ports shut , airports unusable, destruction of water facilities , roads bombed, let them walk out with what they can carry - make an Exodus to seek shelter from the ancient pharaohs.
It will make a great new Victim Lie, as they seat in their Florida hellscape pads demanding compensation and restitution ‘cause they is ‘black innit’ - cf ‘Ali-G’ Baron-Cohen.
Then let the trials begin. I wanna see nutty yahoos hanging alongside shelenskis and all the politicians and techbros who are all guilty as hell in the daily genocide of Palestine.
Yup, I’m still apoplectic with the triplets being removed from their mother.
Bastards.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 17 2024 13:58 utc | 5
Hundreds of dead and wounded across Lebanon. Beirut hospitals in complete chaos. The Mossad blew up all the beepers that Hezbollah officers were using. Let the games begin.
Posted by: Brent Burgess | Sep 17 2024 14:04 utc | 6
Alastair Crooke is one of the few people who understand that war with Hizbullah is inevitable. The Zionist's relentless pursuit of "Greater Israel", through the genocide of the Palestinians and the long-sought war with Iran, plus the pressure of 100,000 settlers that Hizbullah has been forced out of northern Israel, makes a ceasefire not only undesirable but impossible for the majority of Israeli Jews.
Crooke also makes the point that the coming change in the weather makes military action imperative to those Zionists who do not wish to wait until next year to launch the attack on Hizbullah and Lebanon.
Israel is on the road to destruction and is taking the rest of the world with it to a place and time called Armageddon.
Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 17 2024 14:09 utc | 7
Holy Shit !
"Hundreds Wounded, Dead In Beirut After Israel Remotely Detonates Hezbollah Pagers"
And this from an Entity that some claim, "didn't grasp that Hamas would attempt a full scale jail break on October 7th".
Posted by: librul | Sep 17 2024 14:10 utc | 8
Posted by: crimson | Sep 17 2024 13:39 utc | 4
You might want to get out of Tel Aviv while there's still an airport left.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 14:11 utc | 9
With the chaos sown in Lebanon this would be the time for The Psychopathic Entity
to stage a large scale military attack upon Hezbollah.
Stay tuned!
Posted by: librul | Sep 17 2024 14:12 utc | 10
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/9483?single
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/9481
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 17 2024 14:16 utc | 12
I do believe that the axis of Resistance is prepared to come to Hezbollah's aid, if need be, on many fronts
Time will tell. and there are many ways this could go
these two articles may be of some use to many:
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1836042083074769130
The promised Israeli escalation on Lebanon - what will it look like?
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1835768720540512257
Will Israel wage war on Lebanon? The considerations to take into account
....In short, what we will see is an accelerated pace of what is already happening (except with the new possibility of commandos land raids from both sides) with Israel thinking that this will reduce the number of Hezbollah's operations, thus making the northern settlements safer, and with Hezbollah, if it's weapons are well hidden (which they are), reacting by increasing the range and number of fired projectiles, displacing more settlers and including more areas in the warzone, with the aim to counter Israel's objective.
Israel is betting that it has sufficient intelligence and firepower to reduce Hezbollah's fire, and Hezbollah is betting that it's arsenal is well hidden in the Lebanese geography and can withstand heavy Israeli areal campaigns.
Of course, as explained in the first article, if the Israeli society is ready to make the big sacrifice and withstand the daily bombing of Tel Aviv, lose it's critical infrastructure and industries, enter with it's armor the Lebanese mountains and lose thousands of troops, then it will be the full-scale war....
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 17 2024 14:16 utc | 13
The attacks on Hezbollah officers, as massive as reported, are all part and parcel of the plan to suck the US and UK into the greater ME war that the crazy Bibi and his diabolical cabinet are planning.......
They are counting on a massive Hezbollah, Houthis and Iranian response to today's attack that will trigger direct US/UK involvement.......
Not our fight, not in our interests........let the parties settle this on their own..........if the IDF wants to engage in four front war, let them go right ahead.......see how this ends........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:19 utc | 15
Hundreds of dead and wounded across Lebanon. Beirut hospitals in complete chaos. The Mossad blew up all the beepers that Hezbollah officers were using. Let the games begin.
Posted by: Brent Burgess | Sep 17 2024 14:04 utc | 6
This is a serious fuck up on the part of Hezbollah.
This is what happens when you play the long game too long.
Eventually the enemy gets inside your defences.
Time for Nasrallah to make a call: Use it, or lose it ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 14:21 utc | 16
Excellent post, b, thanks.
You are right if Israel wants to attack Lebanon/Hezbollah they have only a 2 or 3 week window now to do it because of the rainy fall weather.
@ Apollyon,
Holy crap, those are hard to look at.
No wonder Sinwar uses hand-written notes carried by secret couriers to communicate with the rest of the resistance.
Posted by: teri | Sep 17 2024 14:24 utc | 19
I always find it amusing how the brown people (Palestine) threads get less attention than the white people (Ukraine/Russia) posts.
Even Hasbara no longer makes an effort. No one reminds us about the "crimes" of Hamas since it became common knowledge that Israeli men have to rape since their own women won't touch them.
As with the Ukraine discussions, can anyone chart a course for Israel that returns to anything like the status quo of 2 years ago?
The poisoned barb has been set. All that is left is for the beast to slow and collapse.
A similar phenomenon is happening to America. Too many conflicts, too little vision.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 17 2024 14:24 utc | 20
BREAKING: Iran's ambassador in Lebanon has been lightly injured by a pager explosion in his vincinity.
The hospital of the American University in Beirut reportedly took all pagers of its nurses and doctors about 10 days ago, and 'replaced them due to technical issues', according to employees
Lebanese media is accusing the American University hospital of being pre-informed by Israel or the U.S. ahead of the cyberattack.
Middle_East_Spectator
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 17 2024 14:25 utc | 21
We have to give Netanyahu credit for creativity. Imagine if Russia used such an innovative and bold plan against NATO.
Also a warning to China, Russia, and the US that if you don't control your own supply chain, you're forked. China could easily do this to anyone it wants inside the US.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 17 2024 14:27 utc | 22
There is another important factor in the drive for war with Hizbullah, and that is the prospect of Netanyahu facing legal action in Israeli courts in December. Prosecuting a war against Hizbullah and Iran will at the very least postpone Netanyahu's day in court.
This situation somewhat resembles the fear of the Biden regime facing legal retribution by Trump should he return to the presidency. Fear of losing the election takes on a more urgent note when the fear of jail time is added to the humiliation of defeat. Personal considerations take precedence over the best interests of the nation (although that seems to be a standard of behavior characteristic of most politicians).
Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 17 2024 14:28 utc | 23
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:19 utc | 15
#######
America doesn't get to support Zionism for decades and now say "Not our war".
Your entire government, media, entertainment, are all run by Israel.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 17 2024 14:29 utc | 24
bombs
over
Tel Aviv
and Haifa
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1836048346730864980
Middle East Observer @ME_Observer_
⚡️ Security sources to Reuters: More than 1,000 wounded in #Lebanon in the explosion of wireless communication devices.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 17 2024 14:30 utc | 25
Time for Nasrallah to make a call: Use it, or lose it ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 14:21 utc | 16
By the way, this would be the perfect time for the Zionist forces to attack.
Just when the entire Hezbollah communications network has been compromised.
And the medical services.
And the intelligence services.
And who knows, perhaps even Nasrallah himself is bleeding from a pager blast as we speak.
What a complete shit show.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 14:35 utc | 26
It seems there must be an incredibly small amount of explosive in the devices. Zionazis probably used the same type of nano-thermite they used to bring down WTC 1&2.
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 17 2024 14:35 utc | 27
Fascist Netanyahoo wants to cancel the elections in the US of A by launching a ground operation against Hizbollah within the next 6 weeks.
Posted by: AI | Sep 17 2024 14:35 utc | 28
The key question is "Will the Iranians take the bait" or..?
Remain resolute and on their own time schedule?
The next 48 hours will tell the tale.....immediate response or waiting for the proper time and place.....
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:35 utc | 29
Why wouldn’t any communication device used by Hezbullah not be taken apart and dissected on a regular basis just to check for bugs and other devices, let alone a bomb? Someone on the inside had to assure leadership that the devices are completely secure, which implies an infiltration.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 17 2024 14:36 utc | 30
New models of pagers just recently imported apparently within the last 2 months. Hearing they mainly only went to larger cities and most others are using older ones. I haven't learned of models yet but reading shorting batteries has occurred through an exploit within the lebanese telecom's ss7 stack. Highly doubtful.
I'm not yet convinced this is the case, they'd become warm then hot then explode, I suspect the shipping container with these was intercepted en route and packed with explosives.
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 14:37 utc | 31
"I always find it amusing how the brown people (Palestine) threads get less attention than the white people (Ukraine/Russia) posts."
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 17 2024 14:24 utc | 20
I disagree.
The Russian SMO is a much. ,much bigger war with much, much bigger states as it has two opposing nuclear powers fighting against each other-that is so much riding on that conflict than the Palestinian war with Israel; hence the unequal interest-nothing to do with race.
I find it amusing that many people will automatically play the 'race card' without first using their native reasoning to ascertain the fundamental reason behind an act..
“ You might want to get out of Tel Aviv while there's still an airport left”
Meep! Wouldn’t that be something. Sorry folks, but there is no longer anywhere to land …or even take off from so it’s either rotary aircraft of make a mad dash to the….border…?!!
Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 17 2024 14:38 utc | 33
The attacks on Hezbollah officers, as massive as reported, are all part and parcel of the plan to suck the US and UK into the greater ME war that the crazy Bibi and his diabolical cabinet are planning.......
They are counting on a massive Hezbollah, Houthis and Iranian response to today's attack that will trigger direct US/UK involvement.......
Not our fight, not in our interests........let the parties settle this on their own..........if the IDF wants to engage in four front war, let them go right ahead.......see how this ends........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:19 u
I look at it different. Looks like Isreal is going into Lebanon tonight. They took down hezbollahs whole encryption network. Usually that's what you would do before you invade
Posted by: Feck | Sep 17 2024 14:39 utc | 34
Now that the Zionists have played their technical stunt I would think with many Hizbollah. commanders wounded today, tomorrow should be the start of the offensive against Hizbollah.
I look at it different. Looks like Isreal is going into Lebanon tonight. They took down hezbollahs whole encryption network. Usually that's what you would do before you invade
Posted by: Feck | Sep 17 2024 14:39 utc | 34
Agreed
You have to wonder if the IDF capped the entire command staff of the Hezbollah front?
That would be a massive strike that would compell immediate response....will it happen?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:41 utc | 37
feck 34 - good point could happen in the next 48 hours. How will Iran, Syria, Iraq, Houthis, Hamas, PIJ, PFLP respond?
This is match alight in a coal mine full of methane gas.....OMGosh!
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:47 utc | 38
Well, launching a ground invasion of Lebanon to go after Hezbollah is very different from the clever/cowardly tactics of blowing people up with their pagers without regard to the noncombatants nearby. It’s also different than bombing civilians to get at Hamas. To my mind, the IDF hasn’t shown that they have the stones for real combat.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 17 2024 14:47 utc | 39
That would be a massive strike that would compell immediate response....will it happen?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:41 utc | 37
It's a use it or lose it situation.
No matter what strategic plans Nasrallah had about wearing the enemy down and avoiding regional conflict are down the pisser now.
Because now the proposition is that Israhell wears down Hezbollah's ranks with attacks like this until it's essentially paralysed from within.
The only way for Hezbollah to gain back the advantage is to put the IOF on the back foot.
That means going for broke and committing to engage the IDF on the ground.
That means striking Haif, Tel aviv, Ashkelon.
And sacrificing Beirut.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 14:49 utc | 40
Found vid confirmation of pagers alerting then instantly exploding. Hezzy so far blaming new pagers with "lithium" batteries... Unless zio8200 found an exploit allowing the board to flip the polarity many oo hundreds of times per second I'm not convinced of that yet. Won't be hard to determine with their cave-in-mountians, disassemble one out of RF range and examine the battery. Hezzy needs new supply line and secure shipping.
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 14:51 utc | 41
Posted by: Feck | Sep 17 2024 14:39 utc | 34
Agreed
Posted by: canuck | Sep 17 2024 14:40 utc | 36
Bingo.
Also, that Houthi "hypersonic" missile really spooked the izzies.
If there's more of that in the tank, this would be a good time to let rip ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 14:51 utc | 42
To my mind, the IDF hasn’t shown that they have the stones for real combat.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 17 2024 14:47 utc | 39
Got that right, israelis are the biggest pussies on the planet. So brave with innocents, women, children and sniveling little blindsides but could never fight a real armed force.
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 17 2024 14:53 utc | 43
BREAKING: The IDF Home Front Command has informed local Israeli authorities of a possible imminent escalation with LebanonMiddle_East_Spectator
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 17 2024 14:53 utc | 44
All of the below from an Al Jazeera article, offers some technical explanations:
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Dozens of members of Hezbollah have been seriously wounded on Tuesday in southern Lebanon and the southern suburbs of Beirut when the pagers they use to communicate exploded, the National News Agency has reported.
“Tens of injuries have been taken to hospital after pagers exploded through the use of high technology,” the NNA said.
Al Jazeera’s Zeina Khodr, reporting from Beirut, said it was a “major development” in the war between Israel and the Iran-backed group and said it appears that the devices were penetrated and hacked in a coordinated attack.
“This is a major security breach – Hezbollah’s communications device has been compromised. We have seen pictures from across Lebanon of men lying on the floor wounded, bleeding. We have seen reports of hospitals asking for blood,” she said.
A Hezbollah official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the detonation of the pagers was the “biggest security breach” the group had been subjected to in nearly a year of war with Israel.
Khodr said that Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah called on his fighters a few months ago to stop using smartphones because Israel has the technology to infiltrate and penetrate those devices.
“So now they’ve resorted to this different communications system using pagers and it seems they have been penetrated,” she said.
“We are getting reports that there were near simultaneous explosions in southern Lebanon, in east of the country and in Beirut’s southern suburbs.”
Khodr reported that there was widespread panic in Beirut and ambulances were rushing through the southern suburbs of the capital. Reuters reported residents as saying that explosions were taking place even 30 minutes after the initial blasts.
There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military, which has been exchanging fire with Hezbollah since last October in parallel with its war on Gaza.
Elijah Magnier, a military analyst, told Al Jazeera that Hezbollah relies heavily on pagers to prevent Israel intercepting their communications and he speculated that the pagers would had to have been tampered with before being distributed to Hezbollah members.
“This is not a new system. It has been used in the past … so in this case there has been involvement of a third party … to allow access …to remotely activate the explosions,” he said.
“These explosions … are powerful enough to [severely] hit the psychology of Hezbollah.”
Earlier on Tuesday, Israel announced the expansion of its official war aims, widening its nearly year-long fight against Hamas in Gaza to focus on Hezbollah along its northern border with Lebanon.
While the focus of the war has been on Gaza, the unabating exchanges of fire between Israeli troops and Hamas ally Hezbollah in Lebanon have forced tens of thousands of people on both sides of the border to flee their homes.
“The political-security cabinet updated the goals of the war this evening, so that they include the following section: the safe return of the residents of the north to their homes,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said in a statement early on Tuesday.
Not formally declared as a war, the exchanges of fire between Israeli troops and Hezbollah have killed hundreds of mostly fighters in Lebanon, and dozens of civilians and soldiers on the Israeli side.
On Monday, Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said “military action” was the “only way left to ensure the return of Israel’s northern communities”.
Hezbollah, which like Hamas is backed by Israel’s regional arch-foe Iran, claimed a dozen attacks on Israeli positions on Monday and three more on Tuesday.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/17/dozens-of-hezbollah-members-wounded-after-pagers-explode-in-lebanon
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Posted by: teri | Sep 17 2024 14:55 utc | 45
To my mind, the IDF hasn’t shown that they have the stones for real combat.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 17 2024 14:47 utc | 39
This would be the time for Hezbollah to provoke a ground invasion.
The IOF thinks (perhaps rightly) that the pager attack has been a great success.
They're probably flush with confidence.
Hezbollah should amplify that impression, provoke an attack, invite them in.
Then take them out on home ground.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 14:55 utc | 46
@motorslug | Sep 17 2024 14:35 utc | 27
No. That wasn't what happened then, and likely not now.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2024 14:57 utc | 47
Big question is if it was done using the batttery itself (and payback may be a bitch, many other things might go boom) or tampered devices with HE.
If the second lucky Israel only likes blunt tools, imagine with reusable bio-chem options…
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 17 2024 14:58 utc | 48
From Mondoweiss, another self-immolation to protest the Gaza Genocide, this time in Boston last Friday. I haven’t seen a word about it on MSM. The guy makes an eloquent statement right before.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 17 2024 14:59 utc | 49
1. Have all pagers/communications at all Hezbollah commanders been compromised? Or just Beruit?
2. The cat is out of the bag. A one time, hard to repeat stunt.
"Israel is on the road to destruction and is taking the rest of the world with it to a place and time called Armageddon.
Posted by: Perimetr | Sep 17 2024 14:09 utc | 7"
Should that day come, Earth is going to grunt, and Nature will absorb all the bodies and blood. No bugles, no coming, just another day on the planet.
Another group of cheeky Monkeys gone, certain of their book that claims their sheet don't stink.
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 17 2024 15:00 utc | 50
I'm not convinced of that yet. Won't be hard to determine with their cave-in-mountians, disassemble one out of RF range and examine the battery. Hezzy needs new supply line and secure shipping.
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 14:51 utc | 41
It's very plausible. It's been re/produced in a lab by the software not enforcing upper voltage limits in charging:
2. Research incident example
CREESA (Centre for Research into Electrical Energy Storage and Applications) at the University of Sheffield operates a facility that tests batteries from a cell level (watts) up to sizes of battery that are connected to the electricity grid (megawatts). This provides valuable insight into the safe testing of a large range of battery sizes, from single-cell hazards to the vulnerabilities of larger batteries where the whole pack must be considered. With a multitude of different cells, packs and systems being tested in the centre, several incidents have occurred which exemplify some of the less obvious failure modes. One such incident occurred in 2017 when a cell that was being tested caught fire. The device under test (DUT) was a 20Ah Lithium-Titanate cell being subjected to electrochemical impedance tests in 10% increments of State of Charge (SoC). The off-the-shelf testing equipment was specifically designed to perform this type of cycling and was produced by a well-known manufacturer. The experiment had been suitably risk assessed and performed numerous times by a researcher trained to use the equipment. The test was started around midday and the duration was >30 h therefore it would run overnight unattended. Midway through a charge sequence during the evening to change the SoC, the controlling PC software crashed. This resulted in the hardware continuing in its current state – a 3 A charge. The system design (no hardware-based limits) meant that with the software not responding, the upper voltage limits of the cell were not enforced, and the cell continued charging until catastrophic failure. This caused the environmental chamber to catch on fire requiring an emergency response from the local fire service. The result of this fire was that the equipment nearby was destroyed by the fire and all other items in the lab had to be disposed of due to smoke and soot damage. Evidence of the cause of the fire was recovered from the hard drive of the controlling PC and video footage from a local CCTV system.
Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352484721001736
But of course, this was during charging ...
Could be a zero-day exploit.
I doubt these people have been walking around with a pager full of plastique for who knows how many months ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 15:01 utc | 51
I always find it amusing how the brown people (Palestine) threads get less attention than the white people (Ukraine/Russia) posts.
Even Hasbara no longer makes an effort. No one reminds us about the "crimes" of Hamas since it became common knowledge that Israeli men have to rape since their own women won't touch them.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 17 2024 14:24 utc | 20
Ah the "racial" struggle. Come on, Love, you're better than that. This is where some class consciousness would really help you out.
Obviously, in the Ukraine theater there's an immediate prospect of Imperialism being humiliated in an unprecedented way. That's exciting. Watching literal terrorist Nazis get crushed: exciting.
On the other hand, a year long virtually uninterrupted genocide of women and children with no serious response from anyone in the region. It's feels a bit hopeless still and that's just depressing. The moment we start seeing the Zionazis suffering serious losses, the moment it appears they won't be getting away with it anymore, then you'll see this thread light up like a Christmas tree.
Until then, Russia/China remain the ones to watch.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 17 2024 15:09 utc | 52
feck 34 - good point could happen in the next 48 hours. How will Iran, Syria, Iraq, Houthis, Hamas, PIJ, PFLP respond?
This is match alight in a coal mine full of methane gas.....OMGosh!
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 17 2024 14:47 utc | 38
How did they respond to a ground invasion into gaza, khan yunis and rafah, the taking of the philadelphi corridor, Haniyeh, Deif, and Shukr?
Expect the same response.
Posted by: crimson | Sep 17 2024 15:10 utc | 53
How did they respond to a ground invasion into gaza, khan yunis and rafah, the taking of the philadelphi corridor, Haniyeh, Deif, and Shukr?
Expect the same response.
Posted by: crimson | Sep 17 2024 15:10 utc | 53
How did they respond to the invasion of Bint Jbeil in 2006?
Expect the same response.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 15:13 utc | 54
This pager plot is pure next level evil. I would like to have some technical details (not photos of victims) of how this might have been done.
If anyone doubted that 'Israel' has to go...
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2024 15:14 utc | 55
"Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 17 2024 14:24 utc | 20"
I've stopped watching closely because I couldn't bear it. At least the Russians can fight back against the blob & will win.
The civilians of Palestine are like fish in a barrel with no escape & no future except misery & torture til death.
Posted by: Mary | Sep 17 2024 15:15 utc | 56
"Obviously, in the Ukraine theater there's an immediate prospect of Imperialism being humiliated in an unprecedented way. That's exciting. Watching literal terrorist Nazis get crushed: exciting.On the other hand, a year long virtually uninterrupted genocide of women and children with no serious response from anyone in the region. It's feels a bit hopeless still and that's just depressing. The moment we start seeing the Zionazis suffering serious losses, the moment it appears they won't be getting away with it anymore, then you'll see this thread light up like a Christmas tree.
Until then, Russia/China remain the ones to watch."
Posted by: Ahenobarbus
This.
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 17 2024 15:16 utc | 57
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1836051181077958676
Sulaiman Ahmed @ShaykhSulaiman
IRANIAN AMBASSADOR'S BODYGUARDS INJURED IN PAGER EXPLOSION
In addition to Ambassador Mojtaba Amani, his bodyguards were also injured in the pager explosion
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-820547
Iranian Ambassador Mojtaba Amani wounded in Hezbollah explosion - report
News of the envoy's injury comes amid panic across the streets of Lebanon as hundreds of members of the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah were seriously wounded.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 17 2024 15:16 utc | 58
I doubt it was a cyber hack. Sounds more like a supply-chain attack. If you didn't build it, you can't trust it.
Also, you have to admit this was a creative and devilish plan. As a side-effect, all the Hez commanders are now "marked" with their own blood. Mossad agents can now identify them based on videos and target them for further assassination attempts. I would not be surprised to hear of some unknown "visitors" getting into Hospitals in Lebanon and injecting some "morphine" into the IV drips of the patients. An extra lethal dose, enough to tranquilize a Brontosaurus.
Or just strangle them with a pillow while the nurse is doing rounds.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 17 2024 15:18 utc | 59
This pager plot is pure next level evil. I would like to have some technical details (not photos of victims) of how this might have been done.
RE Norwegian | Sep 17 2024 15:14 utc | 55
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1836047527725908454
Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#Israel Cyber attack against #Hezbollah:
1. Size Constraints of a Pager
A standard pager is typically around 4 to 5 centimeters in width, 7 to 8 centimeters in length, and 1.5 to 2 centimeters in thickness. This small size limits the amount of explosive material that can be packed into the device. The internal components of the pager (battery, circuit board, display) further reduce the available space for an explosive.
2. Types of Explosives Used
Given the limited space, only a small amount of a very powerful explosive could be used, such as....
4. Triggering Mechanism
The compact nature of a pager allows for the incorporation of an electronic trigger, such as:
Remote activation via a radio signal.
Time-delay circuits.
Vibration or motion sensors to trigger detonation upon movement.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 17 2024 15:20 utc | 60
Lebanese media is reporting "many injuries" not deaths as a result of these pager bomblets. The Cradle has two important articles barflies will want to read, "How a single Jordanian tribesman put the ‘cold peace’ with Israel at risk" and "Yemen’s hypersonic ballistic missile rocks Israel’s defenses".
It's clear that the Zionist AD systems can't protect its assets from attack, and that Ansarallh has capabilities no one expected--not just the missile type but its accuracy over 2000Km. It reportedly attacked part of the Zionist energy system. IMO, the Resistance will take yet another lesson from Russia/Iran and add the Zionist energy system to its attrition list as that will further debilitate the economy and ability to make war.
I know many are frustrated with Russia's policy. In thinking about the why it dawned on me that Russia is likely following the Iranian strategy of attritting the Zionists, which is the strategy devised by Soleimani that would best avoid a wider regional war. Yes, Russia certainly wants to limit the mayhem but that's not being allowed to happen by the Outlaw US Empire. I'd also opine that China also agrees with the Iranian approach, although it too would like to see the mayhem cease. But as we ought to know, Netanyahu is 100% going ahead with the Zionist Project of Genocide and land theft, and no mere words are going to stop him or those even more radical than he. Force is required, and force is being used. Some however want their desires immediately gratified, but that's not happening nor will it anytime soon as that's not the plan of those applying the force.
The first confirmed death; a 10 year old girl from Beqaa valley
https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/9492
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 17 2024 15:20 utc | 62
Pagers exploded in Syria, too:
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[...] Al-Jadid TV: A similar incident happened in Syria, according to Syrian media. Hundreds of people were reportedly injured. [...]
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/cyber-attack-israel-blamed-as-hundreds-are-injured-in-device-explosions-in-lebanon/
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[...] Pager devices belonging to Hezbollah fighters exploded across Lebanon and parts of Syria on Tuesday, Lebanese and U.S. media reported and a source with knowledge confirmed to Axios. [...]
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/17/hezbollah-pager-explosions-israel-tensions
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[...] A number of Lebanese Hezbollah members have been taken to hospitals in and around the Syrian capital Damascus following the explosions of their pagers, which happened at the same time as the coordinated explosions in Lebanon, the Saudi-owned Alhadath reports. [...]
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/several-hezbollah-members-in-syria-injured-in-pager-explosions-and-hospitalized-report/
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Posted by: teri | Sep 17 2024 15:21 utc | 63
This was a massive operation
🇱🇧 The number of people injured in Lebanon due to the detonation of communication devices has exceeded 1,500, reports Sky News Arabia.https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/123207
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2024 15:21 utc | 64
Israel, or rather the US , Ukrainian, Revisionist-Zionist Nazis, are only self-destructively genociding Palestinians because they lost their stupid plan to win Syria as part of Jahannam, Zionist World Dominance.
And they only started the stupid war against Russia in Ukraine to weaken Russia's power in West Asia.
The Neocons are utter idiots, believing their own bullshit about their Chosenness against the overwhelming evidrnce of the billions of followers of Islam.
It's complete tripe that the US wants to attack China, on whom the West relies for everything , even FFS Steel. They want to attack Islam, but are unable to articulate that Crusading thought in a politically correct world.
A tiny group of arseholes in the US whose frustration with God for sending both the Messiah Jesus AS and the Last Prophet Muhammad with non Zionist messages. So they want to bomb Muslims all the way to the Pacific, the self- declared, shared , united plan by USUKIS intelligence agencies.
Let us be clear. Russia will protect its allies and its own Russian Federation. But it will also interfere militarily in countries outside the RF wherever the Neocons are destroying Civilisation, for their bonkers dream of Zionist hegemony.
Neocon destruction of civilisation can spread like wildfire across borders. It can just as easily spread from Syria to Europe, from Libya to Europe, from. Ukraine to Europe or from Palestine to Europe.
The Neocons just want destruction of everything, so that their tiny cult can rule the shattered world.
Understand the logic, you understand the rhetoric. The Jews want chaos and they don't care how they do it so long as it doesn't affect their lifestyle.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 17 2024 15:26 utc | 65
Typepad won't allow links to The Cradle and/or Al Mayadeen, so I'll remove them so my comment will post:
Lebanese media is reporting "many injuries" not deaths as a result of these pager bomblets. The Cradle has two important articles barflies will want to read, "How a single Jordanian tribesman put the ‘cold peace’ with Israel at risk" and "Yemen’s hypersonic ballistic missile rocks Israel’s defenses".
It's clear that the Zionist AD systems can't protect its assets from attack, and that Ansarallh has capabilities no one expected--not just the missile type but its accuracy over 2000Km. It reportedly attacked part of the Zionist energy system. IMO, the Resistance will take yet another lesson from Russia/Iran and add the Zionist energy system to its attrition list as that will further debilitate the economy and ability to make war.
I know many are frustrated with Russia's policy. In thinking about the why it dawned on me that Russia is likely following the Iranian strategy of attritting the Zionists, which is the strategy devised by Soleimani that would best avoid a wider regional war. Yes, Russia certainly wants to limit the mayhem but that's not being allowed to happen by the Outlaw US Empire. I'd also opine that China also agrees with the Iranian approach, although it too would like to see the mayhem cease. But as we ought to know, Netanyahu is 100% going ahead with the Zionist Project of Genocide and land theft, and no mere words are going to stop him or those even more radical than he. Force is required, and force is being used. Some however want their desires immediately gratified, but that's not happening nor will it anytime soon as that's not the plan of those applying the force.
But of course, this was during charging ...
Could be a zero-day exploit.
I doubt these people have been walking around with a pager full of plastique for who knows how many months ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 15:01 utc | 51
Let us go through a couple of things:
1. It was not charging, all more or less at the same time and device near user, not wall charging
2. Explosion near/on user, no significant heat felt beforehand apparently (or very very fast)
a) Either a very specially designed battery able to short on demand and generate a good explosion
b) Or explosives
As a) would depend on being with a full or significant charge (and leave too many only partially destroyed for forensic analysis) I'll go for b) until proven wrong.
Read somewhere that in the american hospital all pagers were swapped weeks ago (implying israel shared with US beforehand). Would be interesting to know what particular pagers they had.
Also interesting to know if other pagers in lebanon exploded (israel will probably say anyone with a pager is hezbolah)
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 17 2024 15:26 utc | 67
Arch 51
I'm familiar ota comms and securing such. Zeroday would still mean 8200 had info on what exact model and firmware this new batch of pagers had. The ones I've seen blowing up were not being charged which means shorting them then reversing and shorting again rapidly many many times per second. If such an exploit exists we'll know hardware and firmware details shortly.
Timing seems awkward, something that would normally be reserved for an actually useful time, ie during or just prior to a hezzy attack. Does idf know of something supposed to take place today? Ground invasion talks are silly. The whole thing sounds silly, you've pissed off many thousands, maybe less than critically wounded a hundred or a thousand civilians and fighters? At a time that so far as we know doesn't benefit the idf? Syrian telecoms also reporting explosions of pagers. We'll learn more with time.
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 15:27 utc | 68
@michaelj72 | Sep 17 2024 15:20 utc | 60
Thank you, that is a start. Powerful explosive, yes. Not just battery as some have suggested.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 17 2024 15:29 utc | 69
Newb 66
There are vids of them just sitting on store counters exploding. Unless this poor lady's store strictly sells to hezzy, it's pagers of a certain model sold in stores as well
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 15:30 utc | 70
Video from the hospital, not for the faint of heart
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https://t.me/intelslava/66630
Posted by: ossi | Sep 17 2024 15:32 utc | 71
It sounds like a shipment of pagers were booby trapped with small amounts of explosive and sold on the open market in Lebanon and Syria. Then the news is spun to claim that it's just an attack against Hezbollah. Vanessa Beeley mentions reports of similar explosions in Damascus.
Posted by: nazcalito | Sep 17 2024 15:32 utc | 72
It sounds like a shipment of pagers were booby trapped with small amounts of explosive and sold on the open market in Lebanon and Syria. Then the news is spun to claim that it's just an attack against Hezbollah. Vanessa Beeley mentions reports of similar explosions in Damascus."
Posted by: nazcalito | Sep 17 2024 15:32 utc | 71
Thanks for the info!
If that's not terrorism I don't know what is?
Timing seems awkward, something that would normally be reserved for an actually useful time, ie during or just prior to a hezzy attack. Does idf know of something supposed to take place today?
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 15:27 utc | 67
Yes, it should be used to decapitate during an attack from one of the parties, not on a random date.
Maybe the connection is in B's article , bibi needed something to pull and commit Gallant to hostilities in Lebanon?
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 17 2024 15:36 utc | 74
If enough civilians were maimed/killed then blowback might be coming. Looking at some of the injuries in that video that Ossi posted, there are going to be lots of deaths due to blood loss. Lots of fingers blown off, one guy had a hole in his back that looks like he ain't gonna make it.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 17 2024 15:36 utc | 75
Reading reports some heated up prior to exploding. No idea if that's verified or 8200 disinfo. Time will tell.
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 15:37 utc | 76
Norwegian @ 55
Typical Mossad operation. Set up a front company, offer cheap pagers, sell them. Mossad must have know the order to get off smart phones was coming down giving them time to set up. They pretty much own the global cell network and can get into any conversations and geodata.
I would be worried with who inside the orgaznition allowed them to know the order was going down giving them time to prepare. Of course, that might not be a person but but information gleaned from monioted converstaions of key people.
This type of operation is standard operating procedure in the Mossad.
Posted by: circumspect | Sep 17 2024 15:37 utc | 77
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 15:27 utc | 67
Putting the battery management chip in a short condition could do that. It's quite possible to put the battery management chip in a state where it shorts the battery.
Then again, infiltrating the supply chain with compact explosives is possible ... Then again, how long can a powerful, compact explosive survive in the heat of Beirut?
No clear answers here.
As for the rest, agreed. Except that the IDF has been known to do desperate, silly things.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 15:40 utc | 79
NEW: The death toll has risen to 8, per the Lebanese Health MinistryContrary to reports, the pagers that exploded were 'Gold Apollo AR-924' type, not Motorola
Middle_East_Spectator
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 17 2024 15:42 utc | 80
Best stick to old Talkabouts and Pagewriter models. They might look old but they're not rechargeable.
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 15:45 utc | 81
Hezbollah and the axis of Resistance will take their time with any retaliation,
and will consider any and all options thoroughly
I suspect that since the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon was also injured, that Iran will be involved in any response
Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 17 2024 15:48 utc | 82
Journalist Suhaib Al-Masalma:
"Al-Araby Al-Jadeed correspondent
The son of Hezbollah parliamentary bloc MP Ali Ammar was martyred as a result of the pager explosion."
"Urgent | Lebanese Minister of Health: 8 martyrs, including a child, and about 2,800 wounded so far, including 200 serious"
Just repeating the set of local Palestine links....
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/GazaNewsNow?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 17 2024 15:49 utc | 83
First takes — equals poor judgement and incomplete information, often completely incorrect.
Still, this is a major story, which could be deeply tied to the new drone wars:
First, hacking and EW counters, espionage, sabotage, isr, etc, etc.
Second, fuel cells act as secondary explosives
Third, vendors supply the components and whole assemblies off the shelf
There will be questions about safety of lithium packs —potentially serious fallout here.
If we assume that lithium has been weaponized for the battlefront, and this is what happened today, the bleed through to the consumer market will be a sensitive topic.
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Sep 17 2024 15:51 utc | 84
Putting the battery management chip in a short condition could do that. It's quite possible to put the battery management chip in a state where it shorts the battery.
Then again, infiltrating the supply chain with compact explosives is possible ... Then again, how long can a powerful, compact explosive survive in the heat of Beirut?
No clear answers here.
As for the rest, agreed. Except that the IDF has been known to do desperate, silly things.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 15:40 utc | 78
I'm almost convinced it's not a short.
At least in everything I've seen so far in videos, shorted bateries smoke and leak (and begin a fire) before a clear cut explosion (if there is any)
What we hear in the video shared above is a clear shot like sound...
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 17 2024 15:56 utc | 85
They'll probably try and blame it on the electromagnetic solar storm that just hit earth.
Posted by: RP | Sep 17 2024 15:57 utc | 86
Per Lord Bebo last night, Masoud Pezeshkian is scheduled to fly to NYC on the 22nd to address the UN Assembly. May he stay safe...
Posted by: Mary | Sep 17 2024 15:58 utc | 87
Seeing photos of pagers, not Motorola.
Gold Apollo AR-924. If this is confirmed firmware will be debugged and any exploit located in 12 hours I'd guess. Could well be disinfo at this point too
Posted by: NJH | Sep 17 2024 15:58 utc | 88
I saw a lot of hand injuries in that video Ossi linked to ... makes me think that the pagers went off right before they exploded.
That would lead to more bystander casualties as there would be less body to absorb the explosion, and the force would go outward. Feel bad for anyone who had the pager in their front pants pocket, they're probably gonna die. Or have their genitals permanently mutilated.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Sep 17 2024 15:59 utc | 89
What we hear in the video shared above is a clear shot like sound...
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 17 2024 15:56 utc | 84
Agreed. I can't see a lithium battery exploding with that kind of power either.
Supply chain infiltration it is then.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 17 2024 16:00 utc | 90
@Posted by: Nothingburgers | Sep 17 2024 15:51 utc | 83
First assumption was that the pagers were manufactured with a bit of C4 in them.
I like your lithium pack question. We all recall the Stuxnet Virus. The virus told the uranium centrifuges to power up and down and up and down and up and down
until the centrifuges broke from wear and tear.
Can a lithium pack be sabotaged in a similar way? Not necessarily by powering up and down. Not necessarily, but something that causes them to go into fiery overload?
Posted by: librul | Sep 17 2024 16:02 utc | 91
There is something Machiavellian in the eyes and face of Mr Hochstein I cannot put my finger on. He met fascist Netanyahoo today (second in 2 months - a new shipment?). This is the guy who claims the offshore gas in Gaza belongs to the Palestinians.
Posted by: AI | Sep 17 2024 16:03 utc | 92
Looks like they need to use notes and runners like the Mafia used to do.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Sep 17 2024 16:03 utc | 93
synchronized attack through a specific product?
"They" were not taking chances or fooling around.
What a low moment.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Sep 17 2024 16:04 utc | 94
@Posted by: librul | Sep 17 2024 16:02 utc | 90
meant to continue...if a virus can cause a typical lithium pack to explode then the world is really in trouble.
Lithium packs are everywhere.
Posted by: librul | Sep 17 2024 16:05 utc | 95
The Model of the pagers that exploded in Lebanon are Gold Apollo AR-924. Apollo Electronic Paging Company is a company based in Taiwan.IntelSlavaZ
Posted by: Apollyon | Sep 17 2024 16:06 utc | 96
The injury number's have risen to over 8,000
Mossad playbook.
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 17 2024 16:06 utc | 97
Here's an X report. The pager is made in DieOne.Probably owned by CIA front.
https://x.com/clashreport/status/1836064514170589600
Posted by: Surferket | Sep 17 2024 16:08 utc | 99
Scrub my last comment.
Aparently....
2,800 ...
So far !
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 17 2024 16:08 utc | 100
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They couldn't beat Hamas, maybe bombing sewage plants in Lebanon will work
Posted by: Polli | Sep 17 2024 13:34 utc | 1