Harris And Trump Debate Whatever
Tonight the U.S. will have an election debate and the media will accompany it with their usual horse race reporting.
The pre-debate attack on Donald Trump claims that his rambling way of public talking is a sign of his old age:
At 78, former President Donald J. Trump exhibits more energy and speaks with more volume than President Biden does at 81, but he, too, has mixed up names, confused facts and stumbled over his points. Mr. Trump’s rambling speeches, sometimes incoherent statements and extreme outbursts have raised questions about his own cognitive health and, according to polls, stimulated doubts among a majority of voters.
In 2016, during his first campaign, Trump also held rambling speeches, confused facts and stumbled over points. It was and is his special way of talking to crowds and his followers love him for it.
To now claim that this very unchanged style is a sign of old-age Trump is inconsistent with that history.
But the point will be repeated as soon as the debate is done.
Trump'ss program, as far as he has one, does not differ much from his previous one. Some social red meat for cultural conservatives and economic lunacies for libertarians. Add a few crud ideas he will soon forget about. I generally like his somewhat isolationist stand on foreign policy but there is little chance that any of it will be implemented should he win the election.
The be-partisan foreign policy blob which rules in Washington will sabotage any attempts to make peace with Russia and/or to discard NATO.
Kamala Harris, the Democratic candidate, is an empty vessel. Voters have never liked her. I have seen her nicknamed Incitata. It fits. The favorite horse of Roman Emperor Caligula was named Incitatus (from Latin 'incitare' - 'to encourage'):
According to Suetonius, in the Lives of the Twelve Caesars (121 AD), Caligula planned to make Incitatus a consul, and the horse would "invite" dignitaries to dine with him in a house outfitted with servants there to entertain such events. Suetonius also wrote that the horse had a stable of marble, with an ivory manger, purple blankets and a collar of precious stones.
Calligula's idea was to mock the Senate.
The blob is doing likewise with the public by offering someone who has no initiative of her own but will faithfully defend the implementation of anything the blob will desire. She is the most more-of-the-same candidate I can think of.
Harris and Trump are the two politicians with the most negative public ratings. That they are the only choices available makes the whole theater a mockery of the public.
One can conclude that U.S. is some form of oligarchy with a facade that is supposed to look like - but is not - a democracy.
Posted by b on September 10, 2024 at 16:51 UTC | Permalink
next page »I actually saw the re-cut of Caligula a few weeks ago. It’s 3 hours long and doesn’t have a single frame from the original left over. I was very struck at the beginning by how much Tiberius (played by Peter O’Toole) reminded me of Biden. Just a demented old man rotting away from a life of decadence. The young Caligula in these scenes was very much an empty vessel, to be filled with poison by his predecessor. Very much what’s happening with the Democrats right now.
Posted by: Caveman | Sep 10 2024 16:58 utc | 2
Two zionists on stage trying to score the most brownie points with their handlers. Which one will do more for the 'state' of 'israel'?
Posted by: RPq | Sep 10 2024 17:00 utc | 3
But she is black isn't she? That's all that matters.......
Posted by: nook | Sep 10 2024 17:01 utc | 4
B, I concur with your conclusion. Even former President Jimmy Carter admitted in an interview a decade or so ago, that the U.S. was an oligarchy. So far, there has been no evidence to the contrary.
Posted by: Matt | Sep 10 2024 17:02 utc | 6
In the end, it doesn't make a difference anymore. Harris will make things worse sooner, Trump later. In my 65 years I have never been so cynical about the US republic. It has been a very gradual decline, but the curve is steeping. Good luck out there to all you brothers and sisters who can still critically think for yourselves. It will be bad for awhile, but I have hope the next generation will grab the bull by the horns and rebuild.
Posted by: madmarc | Sep 10 2024 17:16 utc | 8
Horse-faced, but brays like a jackass.
A donkey?
Caligula would be disappointed.
Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 10 2024 17:16 utc | 9
Doctors are standing by to dope these horses. Its gotta be some fine cocktail they'll be getting tonight. Nothing but the best for these two.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 10 2024 17:17 utc | 10
Harris talks in rambling platitudes without purpose or end. A basic 'air head'.
Trump at least can articulate and hold a conversation.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 10 2024 17:19 utc | 11
Kamala is more in tune with the intellectual vacuum left in the US of A before her complete destruction from within. Kamala's apaty is what captivate her voters and because of that she will win or the ZioNists who run the country will force her win. US of A is an invaded nation of illegals for the last hundred (100) years or so. Nothing will ever change and the so-called 'American dream' is officially death by now.
Posted by: AI | Sep 10 2024 17:22 utc | 12
He gets points for sitting down with North Koreas leader in an attempt to unify Korea. He gets points for not being afraid to say he would sit down with Putin. He gets points for not being a coward right after he got shot. The economy did pretty good. The markets and 401's did quite well. The current immigration policy is a disaster. He fought to change it.
He loses in his stance on Zionism and many other things but he stood in the way of the blob. The blob fought back hard and he dodged many of their attacks and continues to do so. No one will shoot at Harris or try to put her in prison. That says it all in my book.
He remains a contender. The Rocky Balboa of the last 8 years.
My guess is that he will be a good little boy if he wins and do what the blob says for the most part.
His shtick is what it is but Harris is something special. Weakness, stupidity, and her compliance with the blob will be complete and total.
Posted by: circumspect | Sep 10 2024 17:22 utc | 13
It will be interesting see if Trump has been so offended by the partisan behavior of the national security state that he prioritizes vengeance against it. If so, bullets, both figurative and literal, could well start flying...not a pleasant prospect.
As for Kamala, her "don't worry, be happy" image will get trashed as soon as the economy, overdue for a recession, begins to turn down. Her vacuity will then become obvious along with the snow job that Democratic elites perpetrated.
As usual I'm voting third party to avoid choosing the lesser of two evils and to register my discontent.
Posted by: JohnH | Sep 10 2024 17:22 utc | 14
When has the a White House not been filled with empty suits controlled by imperialist neocons? Or a Russiagate sabotaged outsider?
Posted by: 0addy | Sep 10 2024 17:24 utc | 15
Whining about how some press coverage has finally admitted that Trump is a loon is special pleading. It's like moaning about how the Democrats copied longstanding the rightwing tactic of implying treason against the demon Clinton by Russiagate. Both charges were ignorance and folly at best. (Admittedly the Democrats had the additional stupidity of trying to outflank Trump from the right!
More importantly disagree entirely some undefined blob will magically override the imaginary isolationism of the hapless and helpless and hopeless Trump. (Why since he's all these things, according to his own supporters, does anyone speak for him?) Trump is not an isolationist, he's another mad dog imperialist. Biden's imperialist depredations on the European economy are Trump's demands for more European military spending on US weapons carried on. (Arguably more "effectively" for the US imperialists?)
Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 10 2024 17:25 utc | 17
Well the lucky Americans can always write in Ralph Nadar, provided they are allowed to vote.
A two party state is exactly twice as democratic as a one party state
Posted by: Polli | Sep 10 2024 17:31 utc | 18
One can conclude that U.S. is some form of oligarchy with a facade that is supposed to look like - but is not - a democracy.
Sure, b, librul democrazy, to be more specific!
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Sep 10 2024 17:40 utc | 19
The recent Alastair Crooke article supports and expands this perspective.
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/09/09/enabling-a-brutus-to-slay-the-elon-musk-caesar/
As an aside, Dr. Shiva is running for president of the US and his system dynamics viewpoint provides a counterpoint to the Uniparty false choices.
Posted by: krollchem | Sep 10 2024 17:41 utc | 20
well said b! and entertaining too... but ultimately a very sad situation endemic to all of the west at this point..
Posted by: james | Sep 10 2024 17:53 utc | 21
Thanks for this post, b.
The debate is scheduled to be broadcast in Oz on SBS at 11 am as a simulcast via jewed-up abc America. I'll be watching it because, although I've heard Kamala speak on circa 10 occasions, she hasn't said anything yet.
Sean the leprecaun summed her up quite succinctly:
Harris talks in rambling platitudes without purpose or end. A basic 'air head'.
Trump at least can articulate and hold a conversation.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 10 2024 17:19 utc | 11
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 10 2024 17:56 utc | 23
Cut n' Paste Harris - why am I not surprised.
"US Vice President Kamala Harris has finally revealed her policy proposals, only for eagle-eyed viewers to discover that her website’s ‘issues’ section appears to have been lifted wholesale from President Joe Biden’s site.
Inside the section’s code, a line reading “Are you with us? Join our campaign to re-elect Joe Biden today!” could be seen. This line was visible when links to the issues section were shared or viewed in Google’s search results"
Harris - and Trump will face each other tonight - in an ABC News debate - I feel sorry for the American public - who will be screwed - no matter which one of these evil warhawks gets their feet under the desk at the Whitehouse.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Sep 10 2024 17:58 utc | 24
...
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/09/09/enabling-a-brutus-to-slay-the-elon-musk-caesar/
"Make no mistake, the Ruling Strata are angry"
And for more fun he mentions three lackeys (whom he calls "leaders"):
"western leaders – Prime Minister Keir Starmer, French President Emanuel Macron, German Chancellor Olaf Scholtz"
The text should read
The Pharisees' lackeys are very angry because they see that their service to this colossal and deadly Roman- Zionist Empire ...
... is not going to save them from being substituted by the lackeys hired by the Sadducees.
Posted by: Simon | Sep 10 2024 18:01 utc | 25
@ b who wrote
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Harris and Trump are the two politicians with the most negative public ratings. That they are the only choices available makes the whole theater a mockery of the public.
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The MSM hasn't told folks that Jill Stein is on the ballot in enough states to have over 500 electoral votes when she only needs 270 to win....and she is not allowed to debate the freaks.
Jill Stein 2024
Trump was elected the first tome by disaffected voters and I posit that by November, enough voters will vote for the non genocide party and leadership......I know that I am not even as good as a stopped clock that is right twice a day but it is what my body tells me to believe.
Jill Stein is going to be doing a live debate response after the Hollywood schlock. I am more apt to watch some of that than the earlier Hollywood production.
We are in a civilization war barflies and this sort of history does not repeat itself. We(RoW) are going to change the structure of our form of social organization or go down trying.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2024 18:08 utc | 26
Thanks b for at least recognizing the orange's penchant for rambling incoherence.
Courtesy of Jeffrey St Clair, an example from last week at economic forum in NY:
Q. If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make child care more affordable? And if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance?
Trump: Well, I would do that and we’re sitting down, you know that I was, uh, somebody, we had, uh, Senator Marco, uh, Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about that, because, child care is child care. You couldn’t, you know, it’s something, you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly, and it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send products into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers we’re talking about including childcare. That’s gonna take care, I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time. Coupled with, uh, the reductions I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country because I have to stay with childcare but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about here, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just told you about. We’re going to be taking in trillions of dollars and as much as childcare is talked about as being expensive it’s relatively speaking not very expensive compared to compared to the kind of numbers we’re going to be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. We’ll take care of other people. But this is about America first. It’s about making America great again. We have to do it. Because right now we’re a failing nation. Thank you for that question.”
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 10 2024 18:11 utc | 27
B is right that the debate is meaningless because it has devolved into a poorly scripted reality show. Nothing of substance will be discussed. Moreover, it is taking place too far ahead of when a majority can/will vote, so many effects it may have will be lost.
The thing to remember is what B says; whatever programs the Masters of the Universe want and approve of are the ones to be implemented, does not matter what whomever is President says. So, whoever will win will be the one that promises peace and prosperity. Harris is as only talking prosperity; Trump is promises both (limited to Europe only; Israel will be allowed to still do what they do and NATO will pivot to China)
So, IMO the one that will be allowed to win will be the easier sell post election. My money is on Trump, because his sell of peace in Europe is a better sell because it allows for a pause in Ukraine (but still having various EU troops manning the line so Russia will be occupied with them ) - ‘peace’ which will then allow the pivot to China. That pivot to. Gina could easily be manipulated and manufactured as a brand new issue, thus allowing the ramp up just like it was in Ukraine. Just be aware this is all speculation, of course, because who really knows what the blob wants except the blob itself.
Posted by: Dr Smith | Sep 10 2024 18:16 utc | 28
I'll be listening for what Harris and Trump say about China. Imo, if the jewed-up Colonial Christians decide to attack China, they'll regret it for many decades.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 10 2024 18:22 utc | 29
I won't be watching tonight, ironically because I just started season 4 of The Boys. (no, i don't pay for anything amazon - vpn and 2p2 are your best friends!)
A superb imagining of the superhero genre where they kill more than they save, only care about their ratings and image, are afraid of any truth getting out and twist reality into a nightmare for the humans.
Maybe that is the debate?
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 10 2024 18:30 utc | 30
@ b on September 10, 2024 at 16:51 UTC
One can conclude that U.S. is some form of oligarchy with a facade that is supposed to look like - but is not - a democracy.
That conclusion was published by Princeton/Northwestern political scientists Gilens and Page back in 2014: “Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens.“
Prior to that was the infamous Warren Buffet quote through the NYT back in 2006: “There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning.”
Of course, being the precocious child that I was, I came to that realization long before then when I was taught the golden rule by my father: Those that have the gold make the rules.
Posted by: majoab | Sep 10 2024 18:35 utc | 31
@ b on September 10, 2024 at 16:51 UTC
One can conclude that U.S. is some form of oligarchy with a facade that is supposed to look like - but is not - a democracy.
That conclusion was published by Princeton/Northwestern political scientists Gilens and Page back in 2014: “Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens.“
Prior to that was the infamous Warren Buffet quote through the NYT back in 2006: “There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning.”
Of course, being the precocious child that I was, I came to that realization long before then when I was taught the golden rule by my father: Those that have the gold make the rules.
Posted by: majoab | Sep 10 2024 18:35 utc | 32
But she is black isn't she? That's all that matters.......
Posted by: nook | Sep 10 2024 17:01 utc | 4
But SHE is BLACK. Both parts matter to the Dem base. She's not very black, though, either genetically or culturally, and not at all in terms of life experience. Makes me wonder how female she is...
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 10 2024 18:38 utc | 33
B is right that the debate is meaningless because it has devolved into a poorly scripted reality show.
Posted by: Dr Smith | Sep 10 2024 18:16 utc | 28
Actually, the debate is meaningless because the 'election' is meaningless. The NYT poll just put Trump ahead. The NYT is the paper of record of the ruling class. The others will fall in line shortly. The same ruling class controls the apparatus of state, the corporate economy, the banks, including the FED, the media, the election process and whoever happens to be president at any given time. What the public sees is pure window-dressing.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 10 2024 18:43 utc | 34
I suggest spending the time to read the transcript of the 32nd Geopolitical Economic Hour, whose unstated title is how the Fed operates to help the incumbent during an election year, which in this case was sthe indication that the Fed will lower its rate to ease te pressure of the banking sector which has teetered on a knife's edge most of the last 18 months. Hudson from the transcript's mid-point:
Of course, the pressure right now at the very end of your chart is going down. Why is right now, this month, the Fed talking about lowering interest rates? It happens every four years at this time.The purpose of the Fed is to re-elect the existing government. So you could say the election is the 13th Federal Reserve District. How are we going to re-elect the Democrats and prevent Donald Trump, who wants to make the Federal Reserve part of the Treasury, from getting the presidency?...
It’s very political, all in its [Fed's] aim, but its politics are those of the financial sector, not of elected officials, and not for the government caring about the economy and employment at large. [My Emphasis]
That bolded portion is probably the most important point in Trump's policy bag.
Of course, there're plenty of other diversions both educational and entertaining. I'll rely on the after action reports.
… child care … “Thank you for that question.”
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 10 2024 18:11 utc | 27
Yes, trump is a master communicator in this age when few can be bothered to read and understand printed statements, let alone whole articles or (gasp) books.
When faced with Kamala blathering endlessly, similarly repeating words that should appeal to voters, it will be difficult to decide. She may win based on the biggest smile. Trump smiles at ideas he thinks to be amusing. That may be too cerebral for the US public.
Posted by: Samu | Sep 10 2024 18:45 utc | 36
Harris is Capitalist not a Communist, and Trump is the same as every President before him.
"Things have been shoved so far to the right that this election is now a showdown between the Trump Party against the Cheney Party, and no matter who wins, the empire wins. "
Calling Harris A Communist Is An Insult To Communism
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/09/05/calling-harris-a-communist-is-an-insult-to-communism/
It’s The Trump Party Vs The Cheney Party
https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2024/09/07/its-the-trump-party-vs-the-cheney-party/
Posted by: JoeSixPack | Sep 10 2024 18:48 utc | 37
Trump was elected the first tome by disaffected voters
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2024 18:08 utc | 26
I think Trump was elected the first time by an NSA cabal with a very small footprint, as the cheapest way to stave off a full scale war with Russia and China. The people usually in control of the process didn't see it coming and had no defense. Next time, they did. Now, the visible minions care about the election, but the Deep State doesn't- they have enough control over both candidates, and their high-level supporters, to implement whatever policies they have in mind. Nobody, Trump included, expected Trump to win in 2016, but the PTB shut him down right away when he got into office. Since Butler Farm, Trump has been a good boy on everything that counts. He doesn't even beat the Dems over the head with attempting to kill him.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 10 2024 18:50 utc | 38
That bolded portion is probably the most important point in Trump's policy bag.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2024 18:45 utc | 35
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It's remarkably careless for Trump to have annunciated his desire to control the FED. Careless is the kindest adjective that fits.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 10 2024 18:51 utc | 39
Black. Woman. Moron. Commie. What could go wrong...?
Posted by: flyingcow | Sep 10 2024 17:53 utc | 22
Only morons think Skamala is a commie.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 10 2024 18:51 utc | 40
A 'vote' for Kamala means the zionists win
A 'vote' for Trump means the zionists win
Sadly, inevitably one of these two miserable creatures will be the next president and commander in chief. Someday maybe 'America' will wake up.
Posted by: RP | Sep 10 2024 18:51 utc | 41
I'd rather climb into bed with kamala.
How about you guys ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 10 2024 18:56 utc | 42
Kamyhoe Harris is perfect political vacuum tube...........there is nothing there.......she is a straw woman for Hussein Obama and Georgiev Soros.........a mere tool in the globalist tool box.....
Any candidate (nearly) would be superior to this socialist train wreck neo con !
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 10 2024 18:57 utc | 43
Here's the link to Stein's site to RSVP for her debate response.
too scents | Sep 10 2024 18:51 utc | 39--
Thanks for your response. Yes, it appears as a sop to the Ron Paul faction; but when you read what Hudson and Desai, say it's a well-deserved and overdue action to wrest control of the Outlaw US Empire's political-economy from the ancien regime/Deep State.
reposted from a couple weeks ago:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/08/23/kamala-is-still-a-cop/
The second reign of the Orange Duce appeared to be a forgone conclusion when the DNC’s insane conspiracy to defeat him with a barely reanimated Dixiecrat went up in smoke at the first debate after FrankenBiden’s head fell off on live television. Things only went from bad to worse when some incel with an AR shot off the Donald’s ear and that sociopathic showmen galvanized the remaining incel vote by immediately grabbing his crotch and pounding his chest for the cameras like Conan the Barbarian.
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 10 2024 19:06 utc | 46
@ karlof1 | Sep 10 2024 18:45 utc | 35 and too scents | Sep 10 2024 18:51 utc | 39 about Trump and the Fed.
Come on folks. This is all about getting in front of the runaway train and turning it into a parade. Have you read about Trump's Sovereign Wealth Funds? Do you really believe they will serve the public. Trump is all about coopting the Libertarian call to end the Fed and being good at Hollywood it will all look grand and still be privately held and corrupt as now.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2024 19:08 utc | 47
action to wrest control of the Outlaw US Empire's political-economy from the ancien regime/Deep State.
Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2024 18:57 utc | 44
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It will take a well prepared ambush to reorganize the banking sector of the United States. Announcing that policy goal spoils the chances of its success.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 10 2024 19:08 utc | 48
The USA are a plutocratic oligarchy. All the rest is theater, spectacle. And most people are too stupid to understand it.
Posted by: Naive | Sep 10 2024 19:11 utc | 49
Trump = Nero
Posted by: Exile | Sep 10 2024 19:03 utc | 45
Why are you insulting Nero?
Posted by: Naive | Sep 10 2024 19:13 utc | 50
Once upon a time during Bush v. Gore I asked a heavy stoner friend for a joint's worth of pot to watch the debate, the Rastas call it the weed of wisdom, which it is. The debate was the one where Gore showed up dolled-up in Reagan-like war paint. Turned out the be the strongest hydroponic chronic I'd ever encountered, and Gore stood forth like a hydra headed monster and terrified me. The guy oozed evil.
I knew what a stuffed shirt Gore was but supported him 100% against "how dumb is too dumb?" GWB, I thought watching Bush v. Gore would be stoned out hippie laughing fun. Right now remembering it causes me to quake, scared me straight, sometimes you can have too much wisdom.
I think if I tried something like that with Trump v. Harris I'd wind up in the insane asylum like Renfield.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 10 2024 19:14 utc | 51
I'd rather climb into bed with kamala.
How about you guys ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 10 2024 18:56 utc | 42
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Some strains of gonorrhea are resistant to all available antibiotics.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 10 2024 19:16 utc | 52
Biden = Andropov
Kaneka = Cherenkov
Trump = Nero
Posted by: Exile | Sep 10 2024 19:03 utc | 45
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Silly. Andropov was a highly intelligent and lucid super-gumshoe, a Poppy Bush but without the lifespan.
And who is “Cherenkov”? (Yes, I know who you meant, but it’s hard to take your analogy seriously if you can’t get the name right.)
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 10 2024 19:19 utc | 53
Question: who among the barflies thinks that the election will not be rigged?
Posted by: Naive | Sep 10 2024 19:21 utc | 54
As I wrote last thread on Ukraine etc, it’s all entertainment for the masses while the masses get screwed.
What would be exciting is what was witnessed in B.C., Canada in the basically two party debate between the NDP and the Socred Party. The two candidates were nattering like children so badly the all but u known third party contender raised his arms point at the two main party people, one a man, the other a woman, and looked directly into the camera,”You see my friends, do you really want either of these two running your Province?”
He won by a landslide. Jill Stein might get that chance yet.
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Sep 10 2024 19:22 utc | 55
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 10 2024 18:38 utc | 33
Her pronoun is 'neigh'... why the long face?
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 10 2024 19:22 utc | 56
"Harris and Trump are the two politicians with the most negative public ratings."
Wait, what?? Trump has this image, because he is victim of the biggest propaganda (hate) campaign ever that took place on planet earth.
Americans are so fkn stupid, idiotic morons, that everybody watched "Barbie", probably one of the worst movies ever, just because they orchestrated the biggest media hype campaign ever for a movie. These fkn idiots even demanded an Oscar for that heap of garbage movie.
And all because the media told all of you, "Watch that movie!".
MEDIA is the reigning force in USA and the Western world today.
And the mass are just like, I dunno, like little programmable automats, they tell you think this, and you think this, they tell you think that, and you think that.
THAT'S WHY Trump has low ratings, and has nothing to do with the ratings of this ... uh, horse.
Posted by: cortomaltese | Sep 10 2024 19:23 utc | 57
A second Trump presidency will the farce after the tragedy. And the tragedy? That as president Trump was indistinguishable from every president that preceded him. A populist to get elected, follows the establishment in power... yawn.
Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 10 2024 19:26 utc | 58
Question: who among the barflies thinks that the election will not be rigged?
Posted by: Naive | Sep 10 2024 19:21 utc | 54
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When you consider all the shenanigans the two parties have pulled to keep third-party candidates out of the “debates” and off the ballots, you must conclude that the election has already been rigged.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 10 2024 19:27 utc | 59
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Posted by: Massica | Sep 10 2024 19:27 utc | 60
If Kamala wins, you will get "more of the same" across the full spectrum, implemented by much the same people as in the Biden administration. It will definitely lead to further deterioration of US relations with Moscow and Beijing.
If Trump wins, we are going to see, at least, a set of new faces, which may open a door or two toward real change. People including, I hope, Tulsi Gabbard and RFK junior. Prof. John Mearsheimer put it that way (I'm paraphrasing): Trump, in his first term, surrounded himself with the wrong people, and they didn't follow his orders. In the meantime, he seems to have built a reservoir of more loyal potential co-workers.
Posted by: grunzt | Sep 10 2024 19:28 utc | 61
@mark2 42
Incitatus was a stallion though, so I guess his husband is going to be in for a surprise one of these days.
The original name of Incitatus was amusing, Porcellus makes me think of little Miss Piggy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HLblmpqk2Jc
And now I'm thinking of a rude Kermit joke I was told, I had better stop writing.
The US election effect, just awful.
Posted by: Ornot | Sep 10 2024 19:28 utc | 62
Malenkov,
Language is meant to communicate, which my post did. Being picky about spelling ( from Cyrillic BTW) is missing the point. Sophomoric indeed
Posted by: Exile | Sep 10 2024 19:32 utc | 63
@ grunzt | Sep 10 2024 19:28 utc | 61 who wrote
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If Trump wins, we are going to see, at least, a set of new faces, which may open a door or two toward real change.
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So you support ongoing colonialism and genocide, eh?
Real change would happen with Jill Stein but not Trump who is a card carrying member of the God Of Mammon cult.
Hopey Changey went out with Obama
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 10 2024 19:33 utc | 64
Naive @ 54
Question: who among the barflies thinks that the election will not be rigged?
Not me, it's too easy to do, just figure out the swing states, then get granular on the swing counties and rig those, doesn't take much skullduggery, just a few tweaks in the right places, it's a leverage thing, twist a few votes and get a very big effect, and you stole an election. I don't think we saw it that much in the past because it would have caused unseemly reprisals between the parties and it didn't matter much in the left-right kayfabe, Trump seems to have fucked up the natural order.
Trump would have to win very big to avoid being robbed, or Harris lose very big, like McGovern. That's why the controlled media is faking the polls to show a very tight race, so when the DNC steals it it looks real to the public. If the polls showed Trump with a wide lead no one would believe it.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 10 2024 19:37 utc | 65
The Hindu-Dindu versus Generalissimo Cheeto. Boy, an ultimate fighting match would get much better ratings, but I guess we will have to settle for a WWE style-match.
When Kahula is on the ropes, Hillary KillBot will come running down the arena aisle and tap-in.
The Creamsicle will then have to push his life-alert to resurrect the Ghost of Rappin' Ronnie Reagan to float down from the rafters.
I got my pop-tarts and funyuns ready to go and I have pulled the TV into the bathroom.
See you all on the other side of this history-in-the-making event.
Oh the inanities!
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 10 2024 19:39 utc | 66
psychohistorian | Sep 10 2024 19:33 utc | 64
The answer is simple: Jill Stein will not be POTUS. Hence, you've got to look what's on the table, and from there make your choice...
Posted by: grunzt | Sep 10 2024 19:40 utc | 67
Here is a link to a video segment of that debate. Replace Trump with Mike Harcourt, Harris with Rita and imagine Jill Stein being that little guy, Gordon Wilson.
Wish Jill could be on tonight’s entertainment show.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.3593889
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Sep 10 2024 19:45 utc | 68
You know what would make the gala event memorable, if in the middle of the debate Biden wandered out blitzed hand out stretched looking for someone to shake with. We can only dream, but what's the worth of ClownWorld without dreams?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 10 2024 19:46 utc | 69
Trump's "special way of talking to crowds" was always just him riffing and improvising. It was never coherent, and misled much of his base as to what his real political intentions were. It was kind of a smokescreen for the Republican party, who could use Trump's ambiguity and ambivalence to obscure their own political agenda, which is to gut labor rights, environmental protections, and civil liberties, and to further entrench the United States's imperialist domination through any means necessary.
It seems like a selling point for people like b is that Trump speaks through one side of his mouth about American military adventurism. He opposed the Iraq war, for example. But he also bombed Syria, hired John Bolton, made deep state man Mike Pompeo his Secretary of State, moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, antagonized Venezuela (with multiple coup attempts, all of which were foiled by the Bolivarian forces), antagonized Cuba, antagonized Nicaragua, antagonized Bolivia, antagonized Brazil (supporting Lula's jailer, Bolsonaro), and probably some other countries in Latin America that I'm forgetting right now. Trump is someone we in the states would call "a lying piece of shit", someone who would piss on your back and tell you it's raining.
I understand that frustration with the Democrats, who posture as leftists, might drive some people for some Caesar-like figure from the right. But we shouldn't have any illusions about Trump: he is an old sack of bones, whose policies will be chosen and dictated to him by Washington, DC, think tank ghouls. The biggest assholes from the CIA, the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute will be the ones making policy. Not Trump.
Posted by: fnord | Sep 10 2024 19:47 utc | 70
Over half -- 52% -- of US voters say they view Harris and Trump unfavorably. Yet one of them will be the next US prez. That aint democracy.
What B said: "Harris and Trump are the two politicians with the most negative public ratings. That they are the only choices available makes the whole theater a mockery of the public."
Posted by: Typingperson | Sep 10 2024 19:48 utc | 71
Question: who among the barflies thinks that the election will not be rigged?
Posted by: Naive | Sep 10 2024 19:21 utc | 54
It already is rigged because there's only 2 people on stage tonight.
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 10 2024 19:49 utc | 72
I'd rather climb into bed with kamala.
How about you guys ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 10 2024 18:56 utc | 42
Melania
Posted by: jopalolive | Sep 10 2024 19:51 utc | 73
Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 10 2024 18:56 utc | 42
I'd rather climb into bed with kamala.
How about you guys ?
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Kamala is cute. I would MUCH rather hang out with Kamala than the elitist Donald. Trump looks down his nose at people. He is NOT a loving human being. Kamala, may be a tool of 'the blob', and utterly useless as the country's leader, but she strikes me as a nice person who'd be fun to be around. And, as I say, I think she is a nice looking woman.
Posted by: Áobh Ó'Sheachnasaigh | Sep 10 2024 20:14 utc | 74
too scents | Sep 10 2024 19:08 utc | 48--
Agreed. Plus the Fed Act was an act of Congress the POTUS can't undo.
psychohistorian | Sep 10 2024 19:08 utc | 47--
Agreed it's the equivalent of click-bait. Unless there's a Stein miracle, the Duopoly wins again.
Naive | Sep 10 2024 19:21 utc | 54--
As several replies noted, the election's already rigged in numerous ways beginning with the Electoral College put in place to ensure the "mob" (Madison) never gains control.
Mark2 @ 42
I'd rather climb into bed with kamala.
jopalolive @ 73
Melania
Man, you guys got strange tastes in women. Jill Stein is still cute at 74, she must have been hot when young, for a woman if you have a good heart and an honest soul it shows in your countenance and along with the sparkle in your eye stays with you for your entire life. Melania and Harris are totally Dorian Gray.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 10 2024 20:21 utc | 76
...and Kamal has a neck like a linebacker.
I'm fucked if she wins!
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 10 2024 20:24 utc | 77
Hence the focus on voting access as the be-all end-all of democracy. As long as you can freely choose between shitty candidate A and shitty candidate B. Who cares if anyone is well-informed, whether we have media that promotes an open honest debate on issues?
Posted by: ian | Sep 10 2024 20:31 utc | 78
re: #75
Aren't you guys aware that SCOTUS recently said POTUS is a king? All that office (s/he) needs to do now is decree that the Fed act goes against the executive's decisions and eliminate it. If that faces resistance, s/he just needs to declare 'national security' and be done with it.
The latter gambit doesn't seem to be inhibited by the Preamble or 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 13th and 14th Amendments.
Posted by: motorslug | Sep 10 2024 20:32 utc | 79
"One can conclude that U.S. is some form of oligarchy with a facade that is supposed to look like - but is not - a democracy."
Exactly. Those 2 are like a different paint color for the same car. Some people vehemently want the car to be blue while others want it as vehemently to be red. In the end it's the exact same vehicle.
Posted by: xor | Sep 10 2024 20:32 utc | 80
"Kamala is cute. I would MUCH rather hang out with Kamala than the elitist Donald. Trump looks down his nose at people. He is NOT a loving human being. Kamala, may be a tool of 'the blob', and utterly useless as the country's leader, but she strikes me as a nice person who'd be fun to be around. And, as I say, I think she is a nice looking woman."
Have you heard the stories that have trickled back about her tantrums and how she treated her staff as VP?
Posted by: ian | Sep 10 2024 20:34 utc | 81
With all due respect, I have heard a lot more Trumpspeak than b. has. Without question, he is much less coherent than he was four years ago. It’s so obvious that even his own supporters are scrambling to explain it away. My mother died of dementia; I know the signs. Trump has dementia superimposed upon his underlying personality disorder.
Posted by: Rob | Sep 10 2024 20:39 utc | 83
@ Merv Ritchie | Sep 10 2024 19:22 utc | 55
i missed it.. who was the 3rd candidate and from what party?? thanks..
Posted by: james | Sep 10 2024 20:43 utc | 84
I actually saw the re-cut of Caligula a few weeks ago. It’s 3 hours long and doesn’t have a single frame from the original left over. I was very struck at the beginning by how much Tiberius (played by Peter O’Toole) reminded me of Biden. Just a demented old man rotting away from a life of decadence. The young Caligula in these scenes was very much an empty vessel, to be filled with poison by his predecessor. Very much what’s happening with the Democrats right now.
Posted by: Caveman | Sep 10 2024 16:58 utc | 2
Check out I Claudius from the swinging 70s. John Hurt is the best Caligula I've seen.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 10 2024 20:45 utc | 85
"Some social red meat for cultural conservatives and economic lunacies for libertarians."
The US was founded by those two groups represented by the likes of conservative Hamilton and libertarian Jefferson.
The socialists basically stayed in Europe until the mid 1800s when America developed economically into something the socialists could parasitize.
Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Sep 10 2024 20:49 utc | 86
Kamala is more in tune with the intellectual vacuum left in the US of A before her complete destruction from within. Kamala's apaty is what captivate her voters and because of that she will win or the ZioNists who run the country will force her win. US of A is an invaded nation of illegals for the last hundred (100) years or so. Nothing will ever change and the so-called 'American dream' is officially death by now.
Posted by: AI | Sep 10 2024 17:22 utc | 12
Partially true, as to younger women. I don't think many men (blacks and Hispanics included) are buying it.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 10 2024 20:50 utc | 87
The US has always been an oligarchy, that people don't get this is a stunning tribute to the power of propaganda and the media. That oligarchy was tamed somewhat by the Great Depression and the success of Communism in the Soviet Union (which grew rapidly during the 1930s and then into the early 1970s) but once again declared full war on the working class from the 1970s onward. We are now in the equivalent of the Roaring Twenties, extended for decades by the US government's repeated bailouts, zero interest rates, QE and now massive deficit spending.
The socialist (market economy) success that is increasingly hard to ignore is of course China, with every monetary and fiscal weapon already used by the West to prop up the extractive and profiteering edifice known as American business. Then, also a somewhat social democratic Russia that is prospering in the face of sanctions. Defeat in Ukraine and financial collapse will smash the hubris from the oligarchy's mouths and minds. China has no interest in rescuing the West like it did post-2008 with a massive monetary stimulus.
Whichever of the oligarch tools wins will have to deal with the huge mess that is in front of them. At least Trump seems less ready to start a ruinous war in response. The person that follows whichever one wins may be more of a Roosevelt, a compromiser designated to rescue the oligarchy. Or perhaps instead a fascist tyrant, that was the choice that the US faced in the mid-1930s.
It doesn't really have much to do with her policies, if she has any that have not been dictated to her, but I knew a guy who worked as a staffer for Gavin N and he swears Gavin slept with her, Wily slept with her, Montel Williams slept with her... She's certainly ambitious and likes to go to the casting couch to make up for the lack of brains, talent or strength of character.
Yes, the world is fucked with either of the Zionazis, but Trumps stated attitude on Ukraine is much more reassuring. Whether he'll hold to it, well he's a billionaire, so I wouldn't bank on it.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 10 2024 20:55 utc | 89
As a past Trump supporter
I find Harris more appealing, youthful and possibly flexible.
Trump also has no particular agenda about which he can speak.
She does seem an airhead, but I dont hear inciteful things from Trump either.
They are both really poor communicators - suggesting some kind of cognitive lack.
I saw a video of Harris discussing the issue of enforcement of law and the need to control crime and that this was an issue in which black people have great interest. She was fairly sharp - so what has happened, is it just her attempt to avoid details. They both seem to be doing that.
And I think for many Trumps strong advocating for Israel is a red flag - both because of what is seen as the over great influence of Israel in US politics and because of what is now happening in Gaza.
Trump is a loose cannon - there was at some point the suggestion that he is less inclined to foreign interventions but he is also very inclined to try to ingratiate himself with the military and business.
It's a mixed bag. I think Harris as front for OBomber is a bit more predictable - although what it predicts is pretty bad.
Posted by: jared | Sep 10 2024 20:58 utc | 90
Kamyhoe's sole mission in life was to sleep with as many powerful men as possible..........Montel and Speaker Willie included............and when Biden went sleepy during the first presidential debate she went active again.....
It would be just too funny if the outcome was not so tragic..........Kamyhoe in the Orval Office (no pun intended) should scare the living daylights out of every American voter with a job........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 10 2024 21:00 utc | 91
Whatever you think of Trump, he's the only US president in half a century who hasn't gotten us into a new war and he tried to get us out of Syria but his generals circumvented his plan and ignored his orders. It's undeniable that the Democrats are now the war party and the MIC hates Trump. Not holding my breath, but I hope Trump is less gullible than he was in 2016.
Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 10 2024 21:01 utc | 92
@20:14 utc 74:
If you like to be in bed with Kamala, you'll love to be intimate with Nancy Pelosi.
What the heck, invite Hilary Clinton too, you'll make a wonderful foursome.
Posted by: Young | Sep 10 2024 21:05 utc | 93
@Posted by: Rob | Sep 10 2024 20:39 utc | 83
My girlfriend and I have been discussing this for the past few months. Let's remember his age of 78, in 2016 he was 70. The amount of stress this man has been through in eight years which included getting COVID, while leading what could at the least be described as an "unhealthy" lifestyle, would diminish the strongest of men. For a man getting close to the good functioning lifespan that most healthy men can achieve of 85 (every good year after that is a gift), a significant cognitive decline would be expected. Even at my now healthy age of 61, I shudder at the toll such stress would take on me. And getting shot will not have helped.
It will be a miracle if he makes it through the four years of the presidency given all the shit that will be thrown at him. He most definitely does not have the same level of cogency, focus and energy as in 2016. His speech at the convention was a rambling mess. He may still win the debate though, as just allowing Harris to speak at length without a tele-prompter is usually enough to defeat her. He should obey the maxim that he seemed to at the Biden debate "when your opponent is committing suicide leave them be".
Pardon the pun.
Was the horse a mare?
In which case
“She is the most MARE-of-the-same candidate…”
Nightmares and pantomime villains.
God we still got another two months of this shitfest Punch and Judy kiddy theatre.
Can’t wait to see all of them on trial in the coming world court.
It’ll take years.
Many will die of old age in remand.
In some specialty built prison colony village.
Killers all of them.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 10 2024 21:10 utc | 95
@Posted by: Paranaense | Sep 10 2024 21:01 utc | 92
The fucker tried hard with the murder of the Iranian #2 Soleimani, together with a bunch of senior Iraqis, in Iraq. We have the level-headedness of the Iranians to thank for peace there, not Trump. He also released the weapons to Ukraine that Obama had held back. I still see him as less of a warmonger than Harris, but he is no peace maker - just somewhat more pragmatic. Obama was just a smooth version of Bush/Cheney, helped by an extremely fawning media.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 10 2024 20:45 utc | 85
Thanks for the recommendation! During the movie, I was reminded that show existed, as Claudius was portrayed as feeble minded in it. It made me want to watch that show, which I will definitely do now.
Posted by: Caveman | Sep 10 2024 21:17 utc | 97
lets hope they both expose the fallacy of the worth of USA politics and its circus.And the world sees it .
Posted by: Jo | Sep 10 2024 21:17 utc | 98
If the polls showed Trump with a wide lead no one would believe it.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 10 2024 19:37 utc | 65
Nate Silver gives Trump a 63.8% chance of winning the electoral college as of September 8, 2024. https://www.newsweek.com/nate-silver-poll-kamala-harris-shrinking-lead-donald-trump-1950526
Posted by: nazcalito | Sep 10 2024 21:19 utc | 99
Harris is the 4th term for Obama. Biden was senile in 2019 but the senility couldn't be hidden anymore after the last debate with Trump.
Obama is the ONLY PRESIDENT to buy a house in D.C. AFTER his term ended. When Obama commented on Biden's ability to F things up and "Joe, you don't have to do this", meaning not running for President, it took a short while before the light went on in Barry's head. "Wait, wait, Joe, you know there might be an avenue."
Biden didn't pick Kamala for VP. It was Barry all along.
As far as Trump being in Israel's pocket, there is a lot of truth to that, BUT, don't overlook Ivanka and Jared whispering in Daddy's ear for 4 years.
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 10 2024 21:27 utc | 100
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Saw a Trump interview with some people about school lunches. He's definitely lost a step or two mentally but nothing on the order of Reagan or Biden.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 10 2024 16:57 utc | 1