Ukraine SitRep: Ukrainian Army Chief Reveals Lack of Strategy Behind Kursk Incursion
With the help of a CNN interview the Ukrainian Commander in Chief General Syrski is hoping to gain more support from western sources.
Exclusive: Ukraine army chief reveals the strategy behind Kursk incursion - CNN, Sept 5 2024
In his first television interview since becoming military chief in February, the general told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour that he believed the Kursk operation had been a success.“It reduced the threat of an enemy offensive. We prevented them from acting. We moved the fighting to the enemy’s territory so that [the enemy] could feel what we feel every day,” Syrskyi said, in a rare interview that offered a candid assessment of the war.
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Speaking to Amanpour at an undisclosed location near the frontline, the general, who took over as army chief in February, said Moscow moved tens of thousands of troops to Kursk, including some of its best airborne assault troops.And while admitting that Ukraine was under immense pressure in the area around Pokrovsk, the strategic city that has for weeks been the epicenter of war in eastern Ukraine, Syrskyi said his troops have now managed to stall the Russian advances there.
“Over the last six days the enemy hasn’t advanced a single meter in the Pokrovsk direction. In other words, our strategy is working.” he said.
Maps as provided by the pro-Ukrainian LiveUAmap:
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I can identify at least three areas where the maps show differences in favor of the Russian side. Top to bottom:
- North and north-west of Niu York:
Pivnichek east of Toretsk has changed hands. The Russia line has moved in several place there to envelope Toretsk city and, a bit further south, Nelipivka.
- North of Selydove:
Novohrodivka which is no longer partially but now completely in Russian hands.
- East of Ukrainski:
There is a new Russian protrusion developing southward. A zoomed-in view shows that the hamlet of Halytsynivka with the crossing of the COS112 and COS1139 roads has come under Russian control. This cuts a supply route for the Ukrainian troops south-east of the protrusion.
These three+ minor ones are small movements that cover only some the 100 square kilometers Russian forces took last week. The previous three weeks had seen bigger ones. But they demonstrate that the Russian's haven't stopped in Pokrovsk but have - for one reason or another - halted major movements.
The reports of the Russian Ministry of Defense still note severe Ukrainian losses in the Prokrovsk region. There are no reports of any Russian troop movement from the Prokrovsk direction towards Kursk. A rotation of frontline units and local reserve forces is the most likely explanation for the current relative quietness on the frontline.
The Kursk incursion was a costly attempt to gain leverage. It failed to reach its hoped for targets further north and to cause the diversion of Russian troops from other front lines.
Syrski of course has to keep up the morale of his troops. He also has to (re-)gain more support from Ukraine's 'partners'. That explains his otherwise funny talk like this:
“We cannot fight in the same way as they do, so we must use, first of all, the most effective approach, use our forces and means with maximum use of terrain features, engineering structures and also, to use technical superiority,” he said, highlighting Ukraine’s advanced drone program and other home-grown high-tech weaponry.
Can someone point me to one Ukrainian or 'western' equipment item which is technically superior to the Russian produced equivalent? I fail to find one.
Posted by b on September 6, 2024 at 8:08 UTC | Permalink
next page »Sirski is right that he more or less stabilized Pokrovsk-Kurakhovo front. At the cost of moving 72nd brigade from Ugledar to Selidovo thanks to which UKR regained few blocks in Selidovo today. On the other hand RUS army surprised everybody and attacked west of Pavlovka/Ugledar towards Velikaja Novoselka, gained a decent chunk of land and 2 villages and access to roads leading north and west. This creates potentially big problems for Kurakhovo garnison (it will be attacked from 3 sides (originally only attack from west was expected) and there will be a lake behind the back of defenders, bad position) and for garnison in Velikaya Novosilka which likely built all defences facing south. Sirski is doing what he can but let's not forget that he was appointed instead od Zaluzhi because Sirski is more receptive to crazy ideas coming from Zelenski's office. I have big doubts that Zaluzhni would conduct Kursk offensive.
Posted by: J_Schneider | Sep 6 2024 8:53 utc | 2
Everyone has their leanings and views but on this occasion I think Doctorow is making good sense right now:
I also used my time at the microphone to emphasize that the imminent collapse of the Ukrainian armies, the ‘crumbling of NATO before our eyes’ and other ‘breaking news’ statements these past several days of some of my peers on the leading video channels that we call alternative media are greatly exaggerated. I see in this the general human inclination to project as facts what is no more than our personal wishes. And I do not by any means exclude myself from occasionally falling into this trap.To be more precise, I do not now see the war ‘ending on the battlefield,’ as Professor John Mearsheimer was saying in an interview on another channel yesterday. I assume he meant the Russians would be overrunning the last Ukrainian trenches and putting their flag atop the building of the Ukrainian parliament (Rada) just before what is left of the Ukrainian leadership signs papers of capitulation.
No, I cannot believe that Russians will cross the Dniepr river after liberating Donbas in the coming month or two to chase down and encircle what is left of the Ukrainian armed forces. That is a very big logistical challenge and it would be far more costly in Russian lives than Vladimir Putin is likely to risk. Instead, I think it is conceivable that the Russians will accelerate their bombing of Lvov/Lviv/Lemberg and Western Ukraine until they sue for peace or until their cities are flattened and most people flee to the EU as refugees.
©Gilbert Doctorow,
a good time to keep one's feet firmly planted on the ground and not get too carried away with the winds.
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:05 utc | 3
In 29 days more than 10.000 destroyed AFU, the radius beyond the border still 20km. So quite expensive for an 80km frontline.
As for the rest, consolidation, closing cauldrons the tendrils made and starting positions for drives behind enemy defense lines. (And closing Ugledar)
I think milites will agree that RF’s problem right now is too many (good) choices. AFU only has bad ones that must take.
Operation to neutralize Ukrainian forces
- Units of the North battlegroup, backed by army aviation and artillery fire, repelled four attacks towards the settlements of Matveyevka, Olgovka, Malaya Loknya and Cherkasskoye Porechnoye.
- The Russian military foiled Ukrainian attacks on Borki, Kamyshevka and Maryevka.
- The Russian military struck clusters of enemy personnel and hardware near Apanasovka, Borki, Vishnevka, Viktorovka, Gordeyevka, Guyevo, Ivashkovsky, Kositsa, Lyubimovka, Martynovka, Malaya Loknya, Novoivanovka, Novaya Sorochina, Orlovka, Obukhovka, Snagost and Yuzhny in the Kursk Region.
- Russia's aircraft hit Ukrainian armed forces' reserves of military equipment and manpower in 16 settlements of the Sumy Region.
Ukraine's losses
- Over the day, the enemy lost up to 370 servicemen, 17 armored vehicles, including two infantry fighting vehicles, two armored personnel carriers, 13 armored combat vehicles, two artillery pieces, two US-made M270 MLRS launchers, an electronic warfare station and 12 vehicles.
- Since the beginning of hostilities, Ukraine’s losses have amounted to more than 10,100 servicemen, 81 tanks, 41 infantry fighting vehicles, 72 armored personnel carriers, 589 armored combat vehicles, 325 vehicles, 74 artillery pieces, 24 multiple rocket launchers, including seven M142 HIMARS and five US-made M270 MLRS launchers, eight anti-aircraft missile launchers, two transport-loading vehicles, 17 electronic warfare stations, seven counter-battery radars, two air defense radars, eight pieces of engineering equipment, including two engineering demolition vehicles, and a UR-77 demining unit.
Posted by: Newbie | Sep 6 2024 9:08 utc | 4
Ukrainsk and the terracon on its NNW outskirt seems to be in a semi-envelopment (N/NE/E/SE/SSE). Novogrodivka is owned by RUAF now. Controlling Ukrainsk will enable creeping west, to the south of Selidovo and putting it in a semi-envelopment later on, like Ukrainsk currently.
It was more or less expected the AFU will blink in Kursk and move their troops back to Pokrovsk. A part of them moved on to reinforce Selidovo. There was a low chance RUAF would capture Selodyve before that happened. The terracon in NE part of Selidovo is still in the open, RUAF may retain control of it now.
The PR BS of 'holding Kursk' continues running on momentum in Ze propaganda but the offensives there by AFU have halted completely and are subject to counter-attacks and clearing/mopping from the north and NE.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc | 5
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Can someone point me to one Ukrainian or 'western' equipment item which is technically superior to the Russian produced equivalent? I fail to find one.
Gosh. Eyes in the skies .... US military satellite superiority plus airborne awacs and multi-million $ remote controlled intel surveillance drones along all Ukraine border regions. Jeez, how obvious is this massive advantage and yet forgotten?
Not to forget literally Billion$ is non-stop funding and ammo and weapons and US/Nato Personnel for free.
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc | 6
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc | 6
AWACS? Has little influence from Romania or Slovakia on anything occurring in Ukraine. Like those drones have little influence from same areas. The only thing they can influence are events in Crimea, which is a tertiary direction. And US drones or AWACS haven't even been flying near Crimea for a long while.
Well, yeah, US sending troops and its best equipment stripped from its active army units now means RUAF is fighting the strongest army in Nato and seems to be stemming/winning it. Ukraine lost around 20 Himars/M240 systems in Sumy-Kursk so far.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2024 9:19 utc | 7
Can someone point me to one Ukrainian or 'western' equipment item which is technically superior to the Russian produced equivalent?
Posted by b on September 6, 2024 at 8:08 UTC
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Once upon a time
Motor Sich ==> https://motorsich.com/eng/
Antonov ==> https://www.antonov.com/en
Zorya-Mashproekt ==> https://zmturbines.com/
Of course those ex-Soviet manufacturers have long since been parasitized by the Ukrainian winnowing process.
I know a number of Ukrainians whose business is the export of machine tools from Ukraine's pillaged factories.
Privatization and theft has long been the Ukrainian business model.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 6 2024 9:21 utc | 8
HERMIUS | Sep 6 2024 8:18 utc | 1
Report from Belarus is that Ukraine launched drones into Belarus, possibly to locate air defense sites.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 9:23 utc | 9
Not to forget literally Billion$ is non-stop funding
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc | 6
Ah yes, no doubting that the Western currency printing presses are far more “efficient” than the rest of the world put together. It’s not at all clear where all the “output” is going though. Ukraine doesn’t seem to be benefiting, with its ballooning deficit, bonds in technical default and its central bank depleting its reserves in support of a currency that nobody else wants.
And the IMF are in town too, threatening to insist on all manner of austerity policies for an already conflict-ravaged economy.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 6 2024 9:31 utc | 10
Kursk was the last desperate bid bey the Brits and the comedian to keep US in the war with Russia and keep the gravy flowing.Perhaps they will try something equally as stupid into Belarus as well but I doubt it. The Ukies are usually pretty good on the decisions, British or otherwise emanating from the coke shop.
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the OP said that Zelensky requires Syrsky to increase pressure on the enemy in the Kursk region and constantly show the dynamics of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ' advance. For Bankova, it is important to force the Kremlin to conduct a new mobilization in order to destabilize the internal political situation in Russia.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24227
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 9:32 utc | 11
The less amount equip side split its own remaining forces in two, and then the surprise attack ended halfway.
The fate that awaited , of course it would be the destruction of each of the divided forces.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 6 2024 9:35 utc | 12
Ukraine doesn’t seem to be benefiting from US Nato funding.
Seriously? In March 2022 they were about ready to comply with Russian's requests.
The same Govt is still in charge in Kiev. Russia's territorial advances in two and half years are minimal and now they're fighting Ukrainian military inside Kursk as well.
But yes meh attrition. And yet Ukraine survives nevertheless. Against a far superior adversary with 100 million more people and the largest land mass of any nation on earth. I suspect your yardstick for measuring "benefits' is broken and in disrepair.
That being said, Ukraine is of course really fucked now as a nation. So there is that.
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:42 utc | 13
That being said, Ukraine is of course really fucked now as a nation. So there is that.Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:42 utc | 13
Attrition has that effect, it’s what attrition does.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 6 2024 9:49 utc | 14
Nokaz | Sep 6 2024 9:35 utc | 12
From what I could make out prior to Kursk, untrained conscripts and assorted cannon fodder were placed in static frontline positions to soak up Russian firepower while the better units operated a more mobile defence and were much harder to kill.
It is those better units that have been sent to Kursk and told to maintain offensive actions. There they are easy to kill. Daily losses in the Kursk sector alone appear to be around 350 and that is virtually all from these better units.
A recent report from the Chechen's is that their main job is setting up ambushes to destroy the small units constantly trying to break through, taking virtually no losses themselves. They rarely bother with taking prisoners.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 9:49 utc | 15
Weeb Union's latest actually confirms the AFU blinked in Kursk, reducing heavily its offensive potential. It also acts to accelerate the RUAF mopping up there.
They saved Selidovo but RUAF adapted to the change, moving focus to the south (now Ukrainsk, which will act to cut off AFU forces furth E/SE/S). Losing Ukrainsk will also force a much longer route to Kurakhove, and the Ugledar 'corner' can't be saved. RUAF will converge on Kurakhove from the south and perhaps north, straighten the entire Nevelske pocket (again, reducing frontage and putting it next to Kurakhovivka). Move NW from Ugledar to envelope Kurakhove.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvOwfeLhVeI
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 6 2024 9:51 utc | 16
All of you neglect Russia’s greatest weapon - patience. We in the West want instant gratification, and that is not available. So we do stupid things…. Just go and look at Florida’s dumb new law about buying things from “Foreign Countries of Concern”. Well, most of those items are ONLY available from those adversaries. We either don’t have those natural resources or we don’t produce the finished goods in question. And we’re supposed to have / build the best technology? We just ruined our State University System’s ability to generate / develop technology. But then again, politicians are NOT engineers, and so, by definition, can’t do the math. But laws such as the one described above play well with the gaslit Base. But such laws won’t build you an industry.
Posted by: OldFart | Sep 6 2024 9:53 utc | 17
Looks like AFU is losing their own game of bluff, moving troops around from one front to plug another. Pokrovsk front finally receiving AFU reinforcements is what appears to have cause Vugledar front to start caving. If this isn't what overstretched and attrited looks like I don't know what is.
Posted by: boneless | Sep 6 2024 10:01 utc | 18
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the OP said that the main task of the Kursk operation is to escalate and draw NATO into the conflict in Ukraine. At this stage of the war, it is important for us to launch missile strikes on Russian territory in order to project the Kremlin's response.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 10:03 utc | 19
boneless | Sep 6 2024 10:01 utc | 18
Yep. Forces were moved from Vugledar to Pokrovsk about a week back.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 10:06 utc | 20
That's an incredibly Frank disclosure isn't it?
Add in the Poltava strike just for one and the shockwave that has sent through NATO.
What is the next provocation to be before 6 November?
Or hopefully reality has dawned and people are looking for those off ramps that were mentioned a couple of years ago
Posted by: jpc | Sep 6 2024 10:09 utc | 21
Our source reports that Zelensky gave the order to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to prepare for the second phase of the offensive. The sponsors bent Zelensky, promised to provide air defense and equipment. It should start soon.The first phase of the offensive is the Kursk adventure.
The second direction will presumably be:
- the Azov direction Energodar, Vasilyevka, Kherson region.
- the Kharkov direction, a strike towards Belgorod (the source indicates that this direction is already unlikely, but it was on the short list).
- Crimea (landing of troops).
- a provocation on the border with the PMR and the beginning of the "swing". (At the moment, it is also unlikely, since the Kursk adventure did not bring the necessary result).
- they were also preparing a provocation on the border with Belarus, but decided to abandon it, since Lukashenko has already pulled together a sufficient number of troops.We are watching...
According to our data, it should begin within the next 10 days.
The military is trying to dissuade Zelensky from the second phase of the offensive in 2024. They say that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have enough forces and the second adventure will cost even more. A larger-scale failure in defense is possible if the Russians hold their positions, as they did in the Kursk region, which is now like "ballast".
https://t.me/legitimniy/18653
Posted by: Down South | Sep 6 2024 10:13 utc | 22
Not to forget literally Billion$ is non-stop funding and ammo and weapons and US/Nato Personnel for free.
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc
There's nothing "Free" in this situation.
And you well know it.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 6 2024 10:17 utc | 23
That the southern operation quoted by down south is again on the cards is interesting. Weeks before Kursk, the Ukie channels were saying the was to be an intitail offensive to the north then the main offensive to the south, likely in the direction of the ZNPP.
Another interesting piece here by Legitimate. LOike in Syria were the Brits were running their white helmets 'Assad gasses his own people' operation, the Brits are now doing 'Russia kills POW's' videos.
#layout
Be careful!!!
There are British specialists in black technologies (provocations).
In Syria, they shot videos about weekly chemical attacks, found piles of corpses, and made "movies".
In Ukraine, the top topic is the killing of prisoners of war. The purpose of these videos is to increase hatred, throw away the peace case, warm up the war, provoke tougher mobilization, and so on. In short, all that is necessary for British multinational corporations to squeeze all the juice out of Ukraine.
CNN published footage of the shooting of Ukrainian prisoners of war, which they received from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
It is claimed that the first video was shot near Pokrovsk in late August. It shows three Ukrainian soldiers kneeling, then falling and lying on the ground.
The second video was shot in May in the area of Rabochino, Zaporizhia region. On it, the AFU fighters lie face down, after which they are shot.
98% that staging.
2% allow the killing of prisoners of war. Yes, in war, this is always found on both sides.
Recall that the first people who began to kill, torture and mock prisoners of war in PUBLIC were the Nazis and mercenaries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2022. The morons were even proud of it, until they were kicked in the head by the sponsors, who clearly explained that you can't brag about it, but on the contrary, you need to hush up such things.
Conclusion: the British need war and they are dissatisfied with the fact that in Ukraine more than 60% of the population is already in favor of a peaceful case and the figure continues to grow.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 10:31 utc | 24
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc | 6
Of course Kiev has techno superiority. But then you believe the russians are fighting with spades and robbing robbing washing machines of their micro chips.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 6 2024 10:44 utc | 26
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:05 utc | 3
Doctorow is contradicting himself.
If you destroy all the Ukrainians in the trenches or you make them surrender by flattening out their cities is always a victory on the battlefield.
By the RF point of view, the first is preferable simply because it will delay any rebuilding of Ukrainian army.
He is also wrong on the definition of collapse. It doesn't mean the obliteration of all the afu, a disordered retire to the Dniepr will be indeed a collapse.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 6 2024 10:46 utc | 27
unimperator
"They saved Selidovo but RUAF adapted to the change, moving focus to the south (now Ukrainsk, which will act to cut off AFU forces furth E/SE/S). Losing Ukrainsk will also force a much longer route to Kurakhove, and the Ugledar 'corner' can't be saved. RUAF will converge on Kurakhove from the south and perhaps north, straighten the entire Nevelske pocket (again, reducing frontage and putting it next to Kurakhovivka). Move NW from Ugledar to envelope Kurakhove."
Yes the RUAF strategy seems on a simple level "hit 'em where they aint".
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Sep 6 2024 10:49 utc | 28
One of the issues of interest in this conflict during 2024 has been the careerist Syrsky.
What does he see as his personal endgame? The man is not silly, he's a pragmatist so he will be under no illusions about how this war will end.
Up until Kursk he could've passed off the betrayal of his motherland (Syrsky was born and bred in the Russian Republic of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics), as a 'soldier just following orders', but now that the army under his leadership has invaded Mother Russia and in doing so many Russian civilians have been murdered - there is no way back from that. Russians will execute immediately if they apprehend him.
Both the SBU and Langley will be watching General Syrsky closely as the endgame approached, lest he do a deal with the RF to cop a plea, simply 'cos everyone knows his only way to get square with the motherland would be to sell out to Russia - although there is no guarantee that Russian intelligence would feel beholden to Sysrky. The man has behaved so dishonourably toward Russia and its citizens, allowing him to walk for treason would be a huge ask for any Russian intelligence officer, military or otherwise.
On the other hand, despite what langley may be telling Syrsky right now, it is impossible to see amerika opening its arms to him one of the senior officers responsible for amerika/nato's humiliation.
Maybe he has a deal stitched up with some minor state whose boss is short of the readies, trouble is the type of minor state that would be prepared to take him would be the opposite of salubriuous.
Heheheheh . . . . it couldn't happen to a bigger arsehole.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 6 2024 11:03 utc | 29
UK to provide £162 million package of air defence missiles for Ukraine as Defence Secretary meets international partners
UK to supply 650 Martlet Lightweight Multirole Missiles (LMM) through £162 million ($250 million) contract to boost Ukraine’s air defences (gov.uk)
In unrelated news, U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer on Tuesday told the nation that the upcoming October budget would be "painful," as he paves the way for government spending cuts to address a £22 billion ($29 billion) financing shortfall.
Starmer said that the U.K.'s public finances were "worse than we ever imagined" and that "difficult" decisions lay ahead, after he announced plans to test winter fuel payments made to pensioners.
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"We have no other choice given the situation that we're in," Starmer said in a speech in the gardens of 10 Downing Street, the prime minister's residence.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 6 2024 11:06 utc | 30
Debsisdead | Sep 6 2024 11:03 utc | 29
An interesting question. His Russian family disowned him and he remarried in Ukraine. The Ukraine family have disowned him, two sons now living in Australia, one from first marriage and one from the second marriage.
The Russian got promoted to top spot when the Ukraine nazi would not carry out Brit/US orders.
Makes it likely he has been working for the Brits or Americans for quite some time.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 11:11 utc | 31
Because the RF are now bypassing Pokrovsk..............no need to enter the city.....bypass and keep moving, let the city die on the vine............excellent strategy by the way, and a great way to conserve human resources too.....
As the dry season continues, keep moving..........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 6 2024 11:13 utc | 32
In the Pokrovsk direction, its southern wing (which has already moved into the Kurakhovsk direction in essence), Russian troops have come close to Gornyak, a city seven kilometers north of Kurakhovo.The advance from the recently captured Dolinovka was more than three kilometers. In parallel, the Russian Armed Forces captured Lesovka. The general advance of the Russian Federation from the north towards Kurakhovo and the Kurakhovskoye Reservoir, large fortified areas of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, continues. Similar attempts are now being planned from the south - from the area of Ugledar and Velyka Novosyolka, where the Russians have been advancing in recent days.
That is, the general plan of the Russian Federation remains the same - to bypass the main defensive lines of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the rear and create a threat of encirclement of the Ukrainian army on a wide front from Ukrainsk to Ugledar, prompting the Ukrainian Armed Forces to retreat west to the border of the Donetsk region with Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhia.
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20682
Posted by: Down South | Sep 6 2024 11:22 utc | 33
Ukraine Weekly Update, 6th Sept 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-250
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 6 2024 11:29 utc | 34
On the other hand, despite what langley may be telling Syrsky right now, it is impossible to see amerika opening its arms to him one of the senior officers responsible for amerika/nato's humiliation.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 6 2024 11:03 utc | 29
________
Maybe, maybe not. Remember Big Minh?
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 6 2024 11:31 utc | 35
reply to 27
I can sympathize with what Doctorow is saying because it is so difficult to imagine an end to this war. Indeed, I think most people, all the way up to the Kremlin only think of it in 'rational' terms as with what should have happened in Istanbul.
When Russia takes Donbas, does anyone really think Zelensky will stop? Resign? Negotiate? He can't and that's the problem at a minimum. This is why I think he's got to be eliminated along with some cronies. Even surrounding Kyiv isn't going to do it.
What is the end game here? I think - eliminate him, surround some major cities and make local agreements. Roll across to Transnistria and cut off Odessa (but that looks very difficult). Even if the Ukr. army collapses, what authority says, "Enough"?
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 6 2024 11:34 utc | 36
malenkov | Sep 6 2024 11:31 utc | 35
I was thinking Bojo may have given him a passport as well. The Brits have been big on Ukraine nazis having given refuge to heaps at the end of WWII. Britain in this case includes Canada. Those headchoppers from that pocket at the corner of the Golan/Jordan border. Never had there been any reports of whitehelmets there. I assume there was some VIP headchoppers US/UK wanted to extract when Russia was about to destroy that bastion. The Brits gave them some white coats to put on and they were taken out through Israel (A little video footage of them going through the fence) and from there shipped to Canada.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 11:41 utc | 37
What is the end game here?
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 6 2024 11:34 utc | 36
Collapse of Empire. Go back and read the Russia China joint statement.
Ukraine theater is finished when Ukraine male population has virtually ceased to exist. Certainly when will to fight of remaining male population has ceased to exist and we are approaching that now. There is also the problem of Nato supply chain.
According to Ukraine channels, one missile strike on one nuke substation will cause blackouts in winter. Strike on two substations will cause full blackouts now.
Russia has set this conflict at a pace it can keep up forever while constantly increasing the living standards and general prosperity of its people.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 11:56 utc | 38
Reply to 38
Doctorow has been consistent in saying that Right Bank Ukraine (west of the Dniepr River) is the Ukrainian heartland, but that's not strictly correct. The nationalist Ukrainian regions are the four westernmost regions added in 1939 and 1945. The rest are historically Russian, including a large chuck of Right Bank Ukraine.
There hasn't been much discussion of the spiritual/religious aspects of this conflict, but I don't see how the Russians will leave the Monestary of the Caves in Kiev and the Pochaev Lavra in Ternopil in the control of people they consider schismatics.
Posted by: ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 12:15 utc | 39
About 2-3 weeks after the "peace conference" at Bürgenstock/Switzerland in June some of those Ukrainian talkers posted the following in one the usual Telegram channels:
"Big bang in September. Then Russia will talk."
Another 2 weeks later, July 15, Zelly said in a press conference that Russia will be invited to the next peace summit in November.
For me, this is the big picture, the strategic setting behind the Kursk adventure: by threatening Russia with a nuclear disaster the West intended to have a strong bargaining position at the coming conference in November.
If they would have succeeded in capturing the Kursk NPP, they would have staged provocations at it, making it look like Russia is attacking it. We would be witnessing a big wave of propaganda by now: "hey world, look at Russia, it hasn't anything left except attacking their own NPP. Now the world has to stand together and force Putin to come to the table etc. bla bla"... that would have forced a lot of countries, which had taken a neutral stance so far, to take a position against Russia and their "nuclear blackmail".
In the background, they would've started talks with Russia: "now sit down and accept our generous offer to capitulate, otherwise we will just blow up the NPP and make you the scapegoat"...
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Sep 6 2024 12:15 utc | 40
Posted by: ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 12:15 utc | 39
You are correct. One of my Russian connections told me there is a special word for Ukrainians in the four westernmost regions: zapadenze.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 6 2024 12:22 utc | 41
boneless @ 18
Looks like AFU is losing their own game of bluff, moving troops around from one front to plug another. Pokrovsk front finally receiving AFU reinforcements is what appears to have cause Vugledar front to start caving. If this isn't what overstretched and attrited looks like I don't know what is.
Wasn't exactly this plugging holes and collapsing supposed to happen to the Russians with the incursion into Kursk? I know, it's not nice to rub it in, but I blame the UK so rub, rub away.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2024 12:23 utc | 42
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Sep 6 2024 12:15 utc | 40
Oh, forgot the timing in regard to the US elections: that whole stunt leading to a peace conference would have given Biden / the Dems a boost in their domestic propaganda too: "we are leading the world to peace, now vote for Democracy, we are the only ones standing against Autocracy!"
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Sep 6 2024 12:30 utc | 43
❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Artemivsk Direction: Advance Towards the Siversky Donets - Donbas Canal Near Klishchiivka and Fighting in the Zhovtnevyi District of Chasiv YarSituation as of 2:00 PM on September 6, 2024
In the Artemivsk direction, Russian forces continue the offensive on several sectors of the front. After the relative stabilization of the line of contact, the Russian Armed Forces have significantly expanded the area under their control both near Chasiv Yar and near Klishchiivka, which became possible in part due to the redeployment of Ukrainian units to the Kursk direction.
▪️In the area of Bohdanivka, Russian forces advanced several kilometers westward and consolidated on the outskirts of Hryhorivka. The capture of this settlement will contribute to further offensive and straightening of the front line along the Siversky Donets - Donbas Canal.
▪️To the south, Russian forces cleared the eastern part of Kalinivka (Kalinina) and also consolidated on its western outskirts, where fighting is currently underway. About 70% of the settlement is under the control of the Russian Armed Forces. Fierce battles are raging for the village, as its liberation by Russian forces will open the way to Chasiv Yar from the north.
▪️In Chasiv Yar itself, fighting is taking place in the Zhovtnevyi district, where Russian forces have entrenched themselves on the first streets in the private sector, and have recently captured a unit of enemy fighters.
▪️Southeast of this, assault detachments of the Russian Armed Forces have significantly expanded the area under their control in the vicinity of Klishchiivka. The strategically important height 215, for which battles have been raging for several months, has also come under the control of Russian forces. The major stronghold and the adjacent tree lines are under the firm control of the Russian troops.
❗️Yesterday, there were objective evidence of the presence of the Russian Armed Forces directly on the territory of the Siversky Donets - Donbas Canal, almost three kilometers southwest of height 215, which would have been impossible without holding the high ground. So far, the enemy has only captured a single Russian soldier, but the very fact of the advance is an important prerequisite for the future straightening of the front line along the canal at the line of Kurdyumivka - Andriyivka.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17499
Posted by: Down South | Sep 6 2024 12:31 utc | 44
Posted by: Multipolar Panda | Sep 6 2024 12:15 utc | 40
Yeah, that makes sense.
And the first commander and troops that captured the Kursk NPP would have been promoted to the category of Heroes of Ukraine and Martyrs of the Order of Western-Values-And-Who-We-Are, instant celebrities and saints á-la George Floyd. Instead, best guess they're fertilizing Kursk soil.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 6 2024 12:31 utc | 45
Ukraine
Ukraine was created (1920-1954) by the Bolsheviks with three pieces:
+ Volynia-Galicia, which is where the ideological narrative of the kamikaze regime that London and Washington installed in Ziev (2014-) comes from and that they financed, armed and encouraged for the old project (1997-) of the Ukrainian Gambit
+ lands of the Cossacks
+ lands of Russia
Posted by: Simon | Sep 6 2024 12:33 utc | 46
Somehow I cannot see Syrsky living long if he goes to england and the odds for him in any amerikan big metropolis are not gfreat either.
The reason I consider some hick burg in a hick nation more likely is that foreigners there stick out like dogs' balls, so a potential assassin would be spotted, whereas in either england or amerika , unless Syrsky tries his chances in a remote village 'n keeps his head down, the Russians will knock him real quick.
Yeah the amerikanms did let big Minh in but the difference is that when the attempted Vietnam colonisation was arseholed, the Vietnamese didn't really show any ill-will to south Vietnam's former amerikan puppets.
That will not be how Russia looks at it.
As to why the Vietnamese leaders didn't try to off Minh, I dunno why other than they just didn't want the problem, or more likely Minh who had family in North Vietnam's leadership, did quite a few things over the years which advantaged Vietnamese nationalism eg during the months after Diem's death (which Minh played a major part in at the behest of amerika), Minh as titular leader of South Vietnam turned a blind eye to the rise of South Vietnamese nationalists aka the Vietcong. That appears to be why the amerikans arseholed him & inserted Khanh who exiled Minh for a time.
Also back in the 1950's Minh 'escaped' from NVA imprisonment which was pretty suss, although maybe the PLF considered the work he had put in against japanese occupation during ww2.
Minh was a different character in a different time than Syrsky who I cannot seesettling anywhere in england or amerika & continuing to breathe long term.
We shall see, eh.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 6 2024 12:37 utc | 47
Multipolar Panda @ 40
"Big bang in September. Then Russia will talk."
Syrskyi gave an interview a month before Kursk saying, hold tight, we have a big surprise coming. I remember it because I wondered if he was talking shit but was pretty sure he wasn't. ClownWorld is all about surprises.
Two massive assaults now, BIG counter offensive last year and Kursk, both with no air cover against a force with a very large, very professional, very sophisticated air force. You think someone somewhere in the militaries of the Pentagon, UK, Brussels and Kiev would go, "WTF ARE YOU ALL DOING!" All I can figure is in both attacks the plan was to throw enough bodies into the assaults that the RF air superiority could be overcome and the targets, Melitopol and the Kursk NPP reached. I think NATO watched Zulu and Zulu Dawn for inspiration putting aside that despite the good effort the Zulu lost. Maybe they fell asleep before the end.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 6 2024 12:46 utc | 48
What’s the end game?
It’s of course to inevitably lose again, but prepare for the next century to try again…that’s what they (our ziofascist owners have done for centuries..) by brainwashing our kids and grandkids with lies.
When you listen to the clown king of England Bozo being sly about what he and his cohort believe and get up to, well done again Vovan and Lexus , it is obvious they he is just a tool like the other scions of the dynastic failures.
Partying it up as the Anglo Europeans aristos rats nesters that they inhabit for service to their Masters.
Yeah they replay Waterloo at a drunken dinner , they listen to Kissinger and whoever the current head honchos are. But they never ever stop thinking about destroying Russian and Russian culture which is the legitimate successor of the old Roman Empire of Europe.
One that incorporates EurAsia and makes civilisational progress for the multitude of humanity.
The destruction of the Slavic Russian speaking Ukrops against their Slavic Russian speaking RF is the bloody murderous gain for the ancient khazarian shaleshifters who failed to retain the Eastern European , EurAsian parts of the Roman Empire - splitting the garden into west Europe and west EurAsia ; creating the fake Catholic and then Protestant Opium of the masses and eschewing the orthodox Greek which gave rise to Russia. Catherine’s plans , and yes the extension of the Russian Empire to the warm lands and waters of their South. Now swiftly progressing without war or rancour as the collective South Asians rush to join the Bricks! Even the long time ‘enemy’ Turkey contemplates the inevitable.
It is over for the dreamers of being the small tribe that owns the whole earth to do with as they like.
The ziofascists, magik money dynasties, of the shaleshifters have been banging on that ‘lost Eden’ door ever since. In endless proxy wars and millions of dead European slaves.
It’s over.
They know they lost within the first year. They lost again with the failed offensive last year.
So they build big cemeteries and depopulate Slavic Ukrainians so there won’t be many who can rejoin their RF brothers and cousins when they finally come to sense.
The running away by the Faces , the shapeshifters is the Rats leaving the sinking ship. Plundering as much as they can from us, the citizens of the Collective Waste distracting us with more austerity and the blame on ‘Russia’.
Actually I sense some retreat from the whole Russophobia (it having become counter effective. With the young Russians now turned back towards being proud Russkies), reversing decades of propaganda to turn them against their history and walk into dangerous balkanisation.
That failure to turn them from Catherine the Greats unifying principle of Greek Orthodox ‘glue’ that the khazars could not infiltrate. The attempt to turn them into the same idiotic wasters woke rainbow trans humans that we collective westerners and satraps are forced into by the global monopoly of ziofascist media, academic and cultural influencers.
That daily more fragmenting the make believe left/right split imposed from above by the Always Masters, the magik money khazarian shapeshifter empire owners. So that we to end up fighting our brothers and cousins and allow a openly ruthless fascist jackbooted masked police thugs to stop us rising up them.
Fuck them and all their works. We take the streets tomorrow with anti fascist, anti paramilitary , anti nazios mass murder and terror with a stop the War, stop the genocide and dismantle the illegal apartheid entity.
London and all the cities of the world. Let’s join the young Mir kids - we are all Rooskies again.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 6 2024 12:54 utc | 49
Important article in RT:
https://www.rt.com/business/603586-russia-china-us-sanctions-payments/
Trolls, go there now and read. I command you!
I explained a couple months back back in comments here that the USA was widening the net of economic sanctions on Russia by targetting intermediaries and that it might work to some extent. Well, it is working to some extent. Not a path to victory for the West but it counts for something, gives hope to Western honchos.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 6 2024 13:01 utc | 50
I see a lot of speculation on tactical maneuvers and the choices of individual actors in the Uke comedy, which is fun (this is a bar, after all), but there are soooo many options available to Russia now that a lot of guessing wrong is guaranteed, as the Ukes have been proving on the ground. On the other hand, the strategic imperatives of the conflict remain the same: defeat NATO, de-Nazify Ukraine, de-militarize Ukraine PERMANENTLY, and reintegrate Russians into Russia. These are not line items, they are aspects of single meta-imperative, and all MUST be done.
In order to accomplish the meta-objective, it is necessary, at a minimum, to destroy the AFU as a fighting force and disband it entirely, CROSS the Dnieper and reclaim Odessa and Kherson, reclaim and Russianize Kiev and establish a defensible buffer zone between Russian areas of any vintage (including Transnistria and Belorus). IF a Ukrainian rump-state is allowed, there can be no institutional continuity with the current regime, all personnel from the top down must be replaced and the debts to foreigners repudiated. Economic and military dependence on Russia must be complete until such time, if ever, the west ceases to pursue the destruction of the Russian state.
If I were in Putin's shoes, I think I would prefer to occupy the whole of Ukraine after their unconditional capitulation, which would force the nazis and sympathizers to flee to the west, allow for a thorough de-militarization, and reduce the potential for provocations because they would have to emanate from NATO countries directly. After the initial clean up and the accession of oblasts to Russia, including Kiev and Odessa, everything east of the Dnieper, a land bridge not just to Transnistria, but to Hungary, a deep buffer around Belorus and a 'straightening' of the 'Denieper line' on the west of the river to keep any potential front shorter, then I suppose a new 'Ukraine' might be established with pro-Russian officials and a constitution that would prevent renewed western influence, but not until then.
I don't think this is all going to happen by the end of 2025, although the 'kinetic phase' might end substantially sooner.
Posted by: Honzo | Sep 6 2024 13:01 utc | 51
All of you neglect Russia’s greatest weapon - patience. We in the West want instant gratification, and that is not available. So we do stupid things….
Posted by: OldFart | Sep 6 2024 9:53 utc | 17
Amen
ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 12:15 utc | 39
The Black Sea coastal regions and Crimea were Crimean Khanate/Ottoman empire and had never been Kievan Russ territory. Poland and Lithuania took chunks of Kievan Russ and that is Belarus and Ukraine. Part of Polish Russ was then taken by the Austro-Hungarian Empire and that is Galicia - home ground of cultural nazism. Natialism was installed into the Galicians by the Austrian's so it would spread into the rest of Polish Rus, by then I think retaken by by the growing Russian Empire. Galicia returned to Poland in WWI. In treaty that was mid or late 1600s, the unpopulated left bank went to Russia, and also the city of Kiev was returned to Russia. At some point, 1700's? Crimea and the Black Sea shores, Azov Sea regions went to Russia in a treaty with the Ottoman Empire. Crimea was populated by Tatars but the rest mostly unpopulated. Lenin added the ethnic Russian areas to the Polish Rus area to create the SSR 'Ukraine'. Stalin deported the Tartars to Kazakhstan after WWII and Crimea become an ethnic Russian region. In WWII, Stalin added Galicia to Ukraine, and in I think 54, Khrushchev added Crimea.
The term Ukrainian first appeared on old European maps to denote the part of Poland that was Rus. That is what I consider ethnic Ukraine. The polish part of Kievan Rus minus Galicia.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 13:13 utc | 53
I read with bemusement an article yesterday about how 'Maerican conventional weapons dominance' (ha!) threatens nuclear security because Maerica could destroy all of the Russian and Chinese launch sites conventionally before they could respond.
This isn't just hubris, it's outright fucking stupid. I assume these lies are to continue to project the MAERICA STRONK bullshit to the citizens of the West, but the possibility that they could actually believe such outrageous nonsense in quarters of the Pentagon is not beyond the realm of possibility given the complete fucking clown show it is.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 6 2024 13:22 utc | 55
That is what I consider ethnic Ukraine. The polish part of Kievan Rus minus Galicia.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 13:13 utc | 53
Honest question, no gotcha: What's the basis for talking about "ethnic Ukrainians" and what's the difference between them and Russians? I've never seen any.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 6 2024 13:23 utc | 56
The Ministry of Defense currently has no funds for combat payments for the Armed Forces of Ukraine for September, but they plan to fix this, said the head of the budget committee of the Verkhovna Rada, Roksolana Podlasa.The authorities are hiding behind the fact that the money for the payments went to the purchase of weapons, because the United States was dragging its feet with the transfer of military packages.
They promise to fix the situation.Let's just say that there will always be a shortage of money, since there are more payments, and fewer loans are being given. At some point, there will be delays in social payments, salaries for public sector employees and the military.
This will lead to the hryvnia exchange rate being reduced to 45-50 per $1 in order to cover the holes in the budget. The war will gradually devour everything, which will ultimately lead to default in Ukraine and hyperinflation.
Don't keep your savings in hryvnia. They risk turning into "garbage".
https://t.me/legitimniy/18658
Posted by: Down South | Sep 6 2024 13:26 utc | 57
All of you neglect Russia’s greatest weapon - patience.
Posted by: OldFart | Sep 6 2024 9:53 utc | 17
China seems to have the same thing.
In short, the ‘enemies of US imperialism’ are rather patient than us.
Conversely, people lose patience and perseverance when they are dragged into the US and its alliances.
I am convinced that this tendency is strongly related to neoliberal economics and the capitalist system.
When a country is ‘westernised’, it is only encouraged to make a quick profit.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 6 2024 13:27 utc | 58
reply to 51
I think if 2 -3 million males (not pensioners) died, Ukraine is finished permanently, extinct. If 2K dead/neutralized can be maintained for 2 -3 years, this gets real and not crazy. Of course, that assumes EU/US will prop up Ukraine almost totally during that period and nearly all industries or institutions requiring males be shut down or nearly so.
Insane? Sure. But who frags the TCC/Enslavers? Who stops the punishers from marching captured men off the street onto the front lines (at gunpoint)? The Rada does nothing but an occasional complaint. Notice how nobody does anything about obvious genocide in Palestine. Nothing is unthinkable. This is why I think encirclement of cities stands a chance of working in Russian strategy. Polls of opposition to the war mean nothing. Zelensky and his regime need to be stopped physically and the question is, how can that be done in an economical way by Russia?
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 6 2024 13:31 utc | 59
Reply to 53
Throughout all the centuries you describe, there was no such ethnicity as "Ukrainian" - there was only one Orthodox people and that is why they cleved in 1654 to Russia and not Poland or the Ottoman Empire. The Ukrainian ethnicity is a modern construct that is defined as "not Russia". And therein lies the tragedy. An enormous amount of money has been poured into an artificial distinction. Every item of heritage that the people living on the territory of Ukraine have was created by the unified Orthodox culture. In the last 33 years of independence, nothing has been created that would give distinction. It is still all "not Russia", but what is it - remains undefined.
Posted by: ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 13:32 utc | 60
Not to forget literally Billion$ is non-stop funding and ammo and weapons and US/Nato Personnel for free.
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc | 6
This is unintended ignorance of a high order. The U.S./Western Empire is being funded by DEBT, borrowing away your future by securitizing/financializing existing assets of the past. The Industries are mostly gone, so now the debt is anchored on paper-promises. I print currency/click numbers on a computer screen and you promise to pay me using "assets" like U.S. Government Debt/Treasuries/Notes/Bonds (promises to pay).
Long Term Bonds are very, very hard to sell since the buyers need to be compensated for a very uncertain U.S./Western future. And there is no greater waste of resources, real or financial, than the skimming/killing operations of war.
Russia is slowly strangling the Ukraine (the Battle) and the U.S. is losing the War as the "unlimited" privilege of printing/conjuring U.S. paper slowly, inexorably grinds to a halt.
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 6 2024 13:34 utc | 61
"Not to forget literally Billion$ is non-stop funding.."
Posted by: Fred | Sep 6 2024 9:15 utc | 6
You guys don't get it-the US is printing DEBT not money.
"Gold is money, everything else is credit"
J.P. Morgan 1913 testifying at the US congress when he is asked, "What is money?"
"We have no other choice given the situation that we're in," Starmer said in a speech in the gardens of 10 Downing Street, the prime minister's residence.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 6 2024 11:06 utc | 30
"We have no other choice given the situation that we put ourselves in," Starmer said in a speech in the gardens of 10 Downing Street, the prime minister's residence.
"Fixed it! " lol
Posted by: Carrion | Sep 6 2024 13:38 utc | 63
"The Brits have been big on Ukraine nazis having given refuge to heaps at the end of WWII."
The idea was they might be needed if "we" decided to fight Russia in 1945. Had Churchill won the election ... who knows?
I had a colleague, nice guy, always thought he was Polish.
"My dad's Ukrainian"
"How come he ended up here?"
"Well he was on the wrong side!"
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 6 2024 13:38 utc | 64
what's the difference between them and Russians? I've never seen any.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 6 2024 13:23 utc | 56
Honest answer - I cannot tell about a Russian where he lives - in Mother Russia or at the Ukraine.
But I can tell a Ukranian from a Russian, by seeing him or especially her, by figure, by face, by walk and manner, even before s|he starts talking. Does not matter where s|he lives, in Russia or at the Ukraine
I do not know how, but I assure you there is a difference.
Posted by: Poslan1 | Sep 6 2024 13:41 utc | 66
I explained a couple months back back in comments here that the USA was widening the net of economic sanctions on Russia by targetting intermediaries and that it might work to some extent. Well, it is working to some extent. Not a path to victory for the West but it counts for something, gives hope to Western honchos.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 6 2024 13:01 utc | 50
There is nothing in this article that is fatal to Russia or China. Both countries have memories of hard times and a way will be found around U.S/European meddling in the settlement of accounts.
China is the Black Widow Spider that caught the U.S. Hornet in it's web and is slowing sucking it dry. Ask Walmart and Home Depot and any U.S. auto parts store/distributor where they are going to replace their "made in China" stuff on a moments notice. Foolish, foolish Americans letting the dishonest Grifters in Washington, D.C. (District of Dual Citizens) to control the message and the levers of power.
"Free Trade", "The Rubel will be rubble."
My gawd, Bugs Bunny had higher morality and more common sense.
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 6 2024 13:45 utc | 67
Reply to 66
I think if you do a genetic test, you will find overwhelming correlation between people identifying themselves as Ukrainians and those identifying themselves as Russians.
Posted by: ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 13:49 utc | 68
There's the eastern Slavs and the western Slavs. Several other scattered here and there. The eastern slaves are the Rus. Bellorussians and Ukrainians have different dialects I assume due to one being under the control and influence of Lithuania and one being under the control and influence of Poland. The Russians, although for a time had to pay tribute to the mongols/Tatars never came under the control and influence of another people. Culture is history. Language/dialect is history. Belarus never had a Galicia, but they too, as an SSR declared independence, though stayed determinedly neutral until the west let them know in no uncertain terms that neutrality is not and option.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 13:50 utc | 69
"The Brits have been big on Ukraine nazis having given refuge to heaps at the end of WWII. Britain in this case includes Canada."
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 11:41 utc | 37
One of the reasons behind Canada's support is that Canada is the country with the most Ukrainian expats.
This is because the Canadian Western prairies (grain growing after 1947-oil, gas as well) agricultural land and weather are similar to Ukraine's land.
Also, around the turn of the 19th century Leo Tolstoy financed tens of thousands of Ukrainians to emigrate to Canada whom 'lived long, prospered and procreated::
"Following the completion of his major novels War and Peace and Anna Karenina, Russian writer Leo Tolstoy experienced a spiritual crisis that led him to denounce the privileges of his social class and its attendant material wealth and embrace the simple rural life of the peasantry. In the persecuted Russian Doukhobor sect, who also rejected militarism and church ritual in favour of finding God in their hearts, he saw a prime example of how it was possible to live his new-found pacifist ideals in everyday life. He was so taken with their lifestyle, calling the Doukhobors “people of the 25th century” that, in 1898, he decided to help finance their mass emigration to Canada, away from the persecutions of the Russian church and state."
[email protected] luck with the protest, you Englanders are quite lucky, you can protest, back home the fuckers would just shoot us.
All the best, M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 6 2024 13:52 utc | 71
He was so taken with their lifestyle, calling the Doukhobors “people of the 25th century” that, in 1898, he decided to help finance their mass emigration to Canada, away from the persecutions of the Russian church and state."
Posted by: canuck | Sep 6 2024 13:51 utc | 70
And after a few decades of torching buildings, naked protests, and killings the Doukhobors settled peacefully and productively in the Kootenays.
The same thread needs woven into the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, heck, all of Eastern Europe. Stop the feuding, stop killing each other. Send the money-changers home. You cannot build a lasting nation on skimming and whining about your neighbor.
;)
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 6 2024 14:00 utc | 72
404 got a big haircut on their public debt, the usual suspects helping the "negotiations" with the creditors in their Parisian office.
Well ... I hope the usual suspects have their balls firmly in place, cause it's ultimately putting them in the palm of Siddhartha Putin. What if he says "screw you" just for the sake of it ?
Posted by: Savonarole | Sep 6 2024 14:04 utc | 73
ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 13:32 utc | 60
As part of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Rus people were called jointly Ruthenians.
The term Ukraine was simply that region of Poland where the Ruthenians lived with no drawn borders on maps I have seen.
Wikipedia.
"Ruthenian and Ruthene are exonyms of Latin origin, formerly used in Eastern and Central Europe as common ethnonyms for East Slavs, particularly during the late medieval and early modern periods. The Latin term Rutheni was used in medieval sources to describe all Eastern Slavs of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, as an exonym for people of the former Kievan Rus', thus including ancestors of the modern Belarusians, Rusyns and Ukrainians."
Hitler also used that name in Mein Kamp and considered them different to Russians.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 14:05 utc | 74
"And after a few decades of torching buildings, naked protests, and killings the Doukhobors settled peacefully and productively in the Kootenays.
The same thread needs woven into the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, heck, all of Eastern Europe. Stop the feuding, stop killing each other. Send the money-changers home. You cannot build a lasting nation on skimming and whining about your neighbor.
;)"
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 6 2024 14:00 utc | 72
Well said.
[email protected] precedence has been set. What do you do with your 'physical' gold when the government declares it illegal to hoard or hold gold? As has been done in the past, or heaven forbid some smart ass polii gets the hoity idea they can freeze your bank account and assets. Just the physical stuff, not the paper stuff, that's just imaginary floating on the ahem....market.
Cheers M
....gold's one those things that can go one of two ways, makes you rich (by western standards) or gets you killed, and that depends on the state of anarchy one finds oneself living in.
Not dissing your passion, I found lots of red and green jasper in a river flowing from the Mourne Mts. Not sure if that's one of your indicators for the presence of gold, just something I read or seen. I do know gold was found there but the locals like their Mt just they way it is, no mining any time soon, if ever.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 6 2024 14:13 utc | 76
Reply to 74
But Russians are also people of the former Kievan Rus and there is no separate ethnicity, just one Orthodox culture. You can apply a label to people synonymous with the region that they live in, but that does not create a separate enthinicy. To take an example from the USA, people who live in Appalachia are not a separate ethnos, although they are called "Appalachians".
Posted by: ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 14:17 utc | 77
canuck | Sep 6 2024 13:51 utc | 70
An interesting history there, the connection between Galicia and Canada. Eastern Galica is now the part that is in Ukraine.
When Galicia was part of Austria, there was no east and west Galicia. At some point, many Germans migrated to western Galicia. I assume at that point, it was largely uninhabited so the Germans moves. Off memory, I think the Germans were there for about 100 years or so, but prior to WWI had mostly migrated onwards to Canada. I guess this, apart from Austria gave the Rus Galicians their connection to Germany and their fast alliance with Hitler when he came to power and Germany becoming Nazi Germany.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 14:18 utc | 78
Deluge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_(history)
This is the origin
This is the origin of the whole mess
The rabbis after the expansion of Christianity decided not to be a religion ...
(which is what it had been in the past in the times of the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans, when Judaism was made up of people from "all the nations of the world", of the world of that time)
... and with the passage of time the rabbis forged an ethnic group: the Yiddish people
and the Yiddish people triumphed demographically in Poland-Lithuania by finding a place in the totem pole
A) Catholic aristocracy
B) Yiddish people
C) Christian peasantry
Hell for C, paradise on earth for A and B
until the Cossacks and the Russians destroyed the paradise
the Ukrainians and the Palestinians ... They are paying this old broken porcelain
Posted by: Simon | Sep 6 2024 14:22 utc | 79
back home the fuckers would just shoot us.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 6 2024 13:52 utc | 71
Easy to see why now too. I see Ireland is now a loyal Nato dog. I cant see what you lot were fighting about. You lot were a bunch of whinging losers so now you disparage Russia.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 14:28 utc | 80
ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 14:17 utc | 77
Piss off idiot.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 14:30 utc | 81
West struggles to ascertain Zelensky’s Kursk strategy?
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/122206
🇩🇪 🇺🇸Zelensky on a begging trip in Ramstein
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 6 2024 14:32 utc | 82
Reply to 81
Right, nothing to say so you turn to invenctive. How nice to get the best of you!
Posted by: ChecksandBalances | Sep 6 2024 14:33 utc | 83
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 6 2024 11:34 utc | 36
If it all goes south, Zelensky or whoever will be like Hitler in the bunker moving inexistent divisions in his mind.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 6 2024 14:33 utc | 84
"Technical superiority" is a poor choice of words for what Ukraine does that Russia doesn't.
"Terrorism against civilians" is more accurate.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 6 2024 14:43 utc | 85
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 6 2024 13:34 utc | 61
What frightens me is that we, the West, a sinking civilisation, have weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons.
I have faith in Russian reason. I also trust in Chinese reason.
But I have no faith in the sanity of the country in which I live, nor the ruling class of American empire.
These people have no moral compass and they use all kinds of false flags and deception with impunity.
They have no hesitation in deceiving others.
I see the US still sitting in Iraq, having started the war with the lie of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. They seem to have no shame in the fact that the reason for the war was a lie.
I read that the White Helmets, the US stooges who want to start the US war in Syria, staged the poison gas attacks narrative.
The coronavirus fiasco was also originally a collaboration between the US and Taiwan, which caused the worst fuss. Taiwan, which does not have a seat at the UN or WHO as a country, started making a nonsense fuss about such as China and the WHO covering up the disease, when world should have been dealt with disease calmly.
Look at Israel, they immediately spread lie as soon as the war broke out. They made a fuss about Hamas chopping babies' heads.
All these liars are ‘puppet regimes of the US and US itself’.
These people, scum-like people whose only purpose in life is to lie, have nuclear weapons.
This fact is frightening me.
It is hard to believe that these people will calmly accept the fall of the empire.
because they do not have a sense ‘what not to do’.
so I am worried that they are going to make some bad move suddenly, before printing U.S. paper lose its power.
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 6 2024 14:46 utc | 86
canuck | Sep 6 2024 13:51 utc | 70
Actually, the conditions you mention there is I think the very reason the idealism of communism spread so strongly throughout the Russian Empire. Same in China. Not just religion but the abject poverty of the many, and the wealth and power of the few.
Tracing my family name plus my mothers maiden name back, all names go back to poverty ridden England apart from two, a couple from northern Ireland, Irish by ancestry, an old name there. Certainly from the 1850's back, all recorded are in the parish records of the relevant church. The center of town/village life, local government, record keeping.
Even in the slums of London the same. I guess the Brits may have avoided a revolution by offshoring the poor to mostly Australia and I think a lot to Canada.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 14:47 utc | 87
Britain is preparing a military coup in Ukrainehttps://t.me/European_dissident/59805Ukrainian professor of journalism Nikita Vasilenko believes that London wants to put Zaluzhny in his place.
He believes that a change of power in Ukraine can only happen by force. The trigger for a military coup will be defeats at the front.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 14:47 utc | 88
If we are opimistic
If we are optimistic, the imperial power of London-Washington and the puppets of Brussels will dissolve in about 30 years (?) like a sugar cube in a cup of tea
and with luck we will only see the plebs of Rome ...
(the capital-city and the Corruption District)
... burn down the capitol in a great party of drama-cracy and demo-crazy
But I don't know, art of prophecy is certainly complicated
Posted by: Simon | Sep 6 2024 14:55 utc | 89
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 14:28 utc | 80
I believe that our friend the leprechaun is in fact a Canadian contributor.
Real Irish people are not represented by the WEF centrists running the nation.
Posted by: irish al | Sep 6 2024 15:00 utc | 90
That being said, Ukraine is of course really fucked now as a nation. So there is that.
Arguably the point of the whole "SMO". Ukraine is no longer a rival industrial power in Eastern Europe. Its population has been scattered and many if not most of its best and brightest who fled are not coming back, because what would they come back to? The brain drain was already a problem afflicting post-Soviet nations. Now anyone with the skills to make it outside of Ukraine is gone.
Russia will annex the regions of Ukraine it currently occupies. The war of attrition will go on until it can't any longer. Russia will emerge from the conflict with a black eye and some broken bones, but it will have proven to its imperialist adversaries that it means business, and it will have what remains of Ukraine as a captive market into which it can export Russian capital.
Posted by: fnord | Sep 6 2024 15:02 utc | 91
TASS headline today:
"Chernobyl would pale in comparison to strike on Kursk NPP — Rosatom chief"
Therefore drag out victory.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | Sep 6 2024 15:03 utc | 92
dana
@dana916
🇩🇪🇺🇦Germany, together with the Netherlands and Denmark, will transfer 77 Leopard 1A5 battle tanks to Ukraine.Germany itself will also supply Kiev with 12 PzH 2000 self-propelled guns. Six this year and six next year.
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dana
@dana916
According to Ukrainian resources, the 225th separate assault battalion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which included nationalists and mercenaries, completely lost its combat capability (personnel and equipment were destroyed), a month after entering the Kursk region.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 15:05 utc | 93
irish al | Sep 6 2024 15:00 utc | 90
Could well be. Those two Irish in the EU parliament were certainly standouts.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 15:11 utc | 94
It appears that some areas of the front are seeing a respite as units get rotated and readied for another push, while other areas continue the slog. More focus on the massive rear area drone and missile raids is proper given the scale of destruction. There must also be some adjusting happening with Russia's overall logistics train to keep abreast with the advances. Plus, the current belt of urban areas now being confronted is complicated by the network of mines related to those urban areas. It remains a grind.
Johan Kaspar @ 50
The last line in the article says it all...
Far from a demonstration of strength, Washington’s overbearing meddling in the trade relations of sovereign nations across the globe is more akin to burning the furniture to keep warm. It will eventually be self-defeating.
Posted by: circumspect | Sep 6 2024 15:18 utc | 96
"Can someone point me to one Ukrainian or 'western' equipment item which is technically superior to the Russian produced equivalent? I fail to find one."
1. Fpv drones
2. All optical equipment
3. More himar videos of successful strikes than tornado mlrs, although they are vulnerable to iskanders which are excellent.
4. Long range drones, especially the ultra low flying ones
5. Acoustic sensing technology, for both artillery counter battery and radar supplementing air defense.
6. Ground robotics for attack and logistics, but it's close
Russias list
1. Guided bombs
2. Intermediate range ballistic missles, iskanders seem to be outclassing atacms
3. Loitering strike drones, lancet
4. Possibly machine learning enhanced targeting, part of the lancet magic
4. Tanks
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Sep 6 2024 15:19 utc | 97
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2024 15:05 utc | 93
I keep noting that there is an FIL rouge.
Every new supply goes on the line, some now the rest next year.
Germany is supposed to supply 17 IrisT systems, 2 this year the rest next year.
With the distruction rates going on the front those supplies are substantially useless.
Posted by: Mario | Sep 6 2024 15:19 utc | 98
"Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 6 2024 11:29 utc | 34"
I found your blog, extremely well presented and detailed, and I also like your brief bio....
But as you also call yourself "The Busker", I have spent 10 minutes, trying to find a video of you Busking, because Music is far more interesting to me than war, which I find totally disgusting
maybe put a link on your substack, if you haven't already.
I do have family connections to the Scottish Borders. In fact My Mum's Dad, a Music Teacher and an Officer and a Gentleman, was born there, before moving to London to teach music.
He actually survived 4 years in The Trenches in France, only to die of Appendicitis a couple of years later in rural France.
Posted by: tonyopmoc | Sep 6 2024 15:22 utc | 99
The cars of the Ukrainian TCC employees were equipped with electronic warfare devices so that the detainees could not call their relatives and report that they had been taken to the front.https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/11907
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 6 2024 15:25 utc | 100
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Ive noticed a couple instances lately of kiev trying to bring Belorus into the conflict. By doing this they hope Poland will join in.
It will have gone unoticed laregly, by most, but kiev recently claimed, following a recent russian drone and missile attack, that they shot down bla bla number of missiles but that two drones returned to their launch points..."one in russia, the other in belorus".
The implication being that Belorus is involved in the conflict..
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 6 2024 8:18 utc | 1