Biden Admin Decides - For Now - Against Long Range Strikes On Russia
It seems that Biden administration for once decided to listen to what President Putin of Russia had to say.
Putin had warned of a war between Russia and NATO should the U.S. and its allies allow Ukraine the use the long-range weapons they donated against targets in Russia. Putin correctly asserted that these weapons can only be programmed and fired by trained personnel from the donor country.
Deciding against allowing such strikes was the right thing to do but it could unfortunately be revised on a later day:
Sir Keir Starmer was set to leave Washington on Friday night without any announcement on allowing Ukraine to fire long-range missiles into Russia.The Prime Minister held talks with Joe Biden in the White House to discuss pleas from Volodymyr Zelensky to let the country use the Storm Shadow missiles.
But John Kirby, a spokesman for the US national security council, said there would be no announcement on long-range missiles after the meeting. He did not rule out one at a later date.
Foreign Office sources had briefed against expecting the green light at the end of Starmer’s visit, but it will come as a disappointment to leave without a decision.
After the meeting, Sir Keir said the pair had come to a “strong position” but suggested a final decision on Storm Shadow had been deferred to the UN General Assembly at the end of the month.
There seems to have been a fight within the Biden administration where a hawkish part within the State Department and National Security Council had been briefing media towards a decision in favor of deep strikes while the Pentagon was strongly against any further provocation of Russia.
The generals know what Russian weapons could do to their assets should Russia decide to let someone shot back at them.
Posted by b on September 14, 2024 at 15:41 UTC | Permalink
next page »Lmao.
Sorry couldn't help myself. Should have titled it Blinken or Harris instead of Biden.
Reminds me of the debate. Which I wrote this about. FWIW https://shorturl.at/AJLLx
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 14 2024 15:51 utc | 2
One thing they don't know is how many missiles and uavs Russia has stockpiled at this point.
Russia can respond to asymmetrically by supplying tens of thousands of drones and hundreds of missiles to the resistance.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 14 2024 15:52 utc | 3
its weird how all the simps, neo-marxists and homosexuals, like Trudeau and Starmer, are all-in for expanded war with Russia.
Posted by: Charles E. Fromage | Sep 14 2024 15:52 utc | 4
Btw anyone read this.
Raising the Stakes in Ukraine
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/13/raising-the-stakes-in-ukraine/
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 14 2024 15:54 utc | 5
Columbia University Professor Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland & her Neocons will get their WWIII come hell or high water:
"The generals know what Russian weapons could do to their assets should Russia decide to let someone shot back at them."
Over the 2.5 years of the, a small sense of reality has forced its way into the minds of a number in the US power structure.
Russia easily destroying the Soviet then american and European air defence systems in Ukraine would have helped a great deal in that regard. How many Nato officers have been killed in assorted very accurate strikes. All withing a special military operation that hasn't yet achieved the status of war.
I doubt even in the future that US will allow nato so called long range weapons to strike deep into Russia.
So now the clowns have great wall of lies preventing them backing away and declaring victory, and Russia in front of them allowing no way forward.
And the world more and more gravitating to the vision of a multi-polar world looking on.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 15:58 utc | 7
US and UK leaders dismiss Vladimir Putin’s war threats
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePseIfdUr_c
14 Sept 2024
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and US President Joe Biden have dismissed Vladimir Putin’s threats of a potential war.
“I don’t think much about Vladimir Putin,” President Biden said.
This comes after the Russian President warned that allowing Ukraine to strike Russian territory with Western long-range missiles would mean NATO’s direct involvement in the conflict.
Mr Putin warned this move would mean that NATO countries would be “at war with Russia”.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 14 2024 16:00 utc | 8
"its weird how all the simps, neo-marxists and homosexuals, like Trudeau and Starmer, are all-in for expanded war with Russia." Charles Fromage You are to intelligent discourse what McDonalds is to nutrition with your risible drivel and projection. Best to leave a blank retort in the future if this is what you call insight.
Posted by: HandSignals4TheBlind | Sep 14 2024 16:01 utc | 9
Ricky Rubles | Sep 14 2024 15:59 utc | 8
Piss off troll.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 16:01 utc | 10
Posted by: Ricky Rubles | Sep 14 2024 15:59 utc | 8
Yawn…fuck off troll. Saving Peter some work here.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 14 2024 16:04 utc | 11
Ricky’s been Pete’d
Swiftly. Efficiently, and with justification.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 14 2024 16:04 utc | 12
I don't believe for a moment that the West can restrain itself from further provoking Russia.
A hard lesson awaits.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 14 2024 16:04 utc | 13
Lloyd Austin opposes it, so very little would have happened even if the civilians decided to go ahead..the Pentagon has an unlimited capacity to throw sand in the gears...
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Sep 14 2024 16:05 utc | 15
One other reason they 'decided against it' is due to Russia already destroying most NATO ATACMS systems during the Sumy-Kursk adventure.
They have a couple of F-16 and maybe few Himars left for the 'grand spectacle', which can turn out to be a pancake. If they create massive expectations and can't deliver it will be humiliating.
This whole discussion is also laughable considering NATO has probably used up to 150 SCALP and Storm Shadow missiles since August 2023, most of them trying to hit the Crimean bridge. Russia has learned everything about those missiles.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2024 16:07 utc | 16
watching you tankie dipshits continually reach for the copium that is this blog has been a delight.Posted by: Ricky Rubles | Sep 14 2024 15:59 utc | 8
Is that the best you've got you pathetic clown? Your mother would have put up a better fight.
Tankies? Tell me you're an elderly British sour grapes loser without telling me. Myself, I'm not an ideological sort, and can see how absolute imbeciles like yourself have screwed the West. Now run back home coward, I'm sure there are American knobs to polish somewhere and we know you're the first to jump on that like a fat kid on a sandwich.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 14 2024 16:08 utc | 17
While empire flip flops over escalation, Russia is clearing out Kursk and continuing toward its SMO goals.
Where are the long range missiles?
Where are the F16s ?
Where are the boots on the ground?
When is surrender?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 14 2024 16:10 utc | 18
One other reason they 'decided against it' is due to Russia already destroying most NATO ATACMS systems during the Sumy-Kursk adventure.
They have a couple of F-16 and maybe few Himars left for the 'grand spectacle', which can turn out to be a pancake. If they create massive expectations and can't deliver it will be humiliating.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2024 16:07 utc | 17
A good point. Russia now has virtually full air dominance when it comes to surveillance, and Russia strike times once a target is sighted is something else again. Not even time to shoot and scoot before a missile has arrived.
And then the F16s. Still haven't fired a shot in anger but at least two destroyed already.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 16:12 utc | 19
Putin's "special three day military operation."
Posted by: Ricky Rubles | Sep 14 2024 15:59 utc | 8
another "highly educated" that fell for general a. milleys cheap propaganda. amazing.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 14 2024 16:12 utc | 20
Putin must remember 'Nato has nuclear weapons too' | Michael Clarke
Times Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvPXz58jmU4
14 Sept 2024
"He’s the playground bully and he always up the rhetoric at times like this."
Putin is "pulling every lever" to "get his way" but forgets that Nato has nuclear weapons too, says former Director General of Royal United Services Institute Michael Clarke.
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Interesting, as RUSI was the first, and earliest, to offer a clear-eyed and prescient analysis of Russia’s military capability in Ukraine
“Return of Industrial Warfare”. June 2022
https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare
I read that way back when Brian Berletic was my flavour of the month. And I knew Ukraine and U$NATO could not win.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 14 2024 16:15 utc | 21
I have an idea!
How about the "global south" get rid of all their Dollars and stop pricing things and buying and selling things in and for US Dollars?
Posted by: Hot Carl | Sep 14 2024 16:15 utc | 22
watching you tankie dipshits continually reach for the copium that is this blog has been a delight.
Posted by: Ricky Rubles | Sep 14 2024 15:59 utc | 8
You're delighted that Ukraine is basically done as a state and Europe is a hollowed out economic carcass?
You sure have your bits twisted!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 14 2024 16:16 utc | 23
Btw anyone read this.
Raising the Stakes in Ukraine
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/13/raising-the-stakes-in-ukraine/
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 14 2024 15:54 utc | 5
Great article - thanks.
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 14 2024 16:19 utc | 24
Dimitry Orlov talking to Nima thinks its mostly paper tiger and theater. Russia can shoot 90% of the atacams amd storm shadows down. US has dwindling supplies. Russia's assets have been moved back. Putin acting restrained and avoiding escalation plays well with brics. Finally, Orlov reports Russia is considering cutting off US from some critical imports, namely niclear fuel,heavy crude amoung others. Hitting back without military escalation.
Posted by: Dang49 | Sep 14 2024 16:22 utc | 25
Thank you b.
And to #6, you've linked wrong to that substack, lest it doesn't work in my app anyway.
Posted by: NJH | Sep 14 2024 16:22 utc | 26
An article from May 2023.
Ukraine had already received 200 Storm Shadow missiles, claims were then 400 would be delivered (they probably were delivered by now).
The cupboard is bare! Britain is demilitarized of long range missiles. Back then, it was also said based on wreckage that the newest production of British missiles were delivered.
https://maps.southfront.press/ukraine-received-200-storm-shadow-missiles-will-get-400-more/
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2024 16:23 utc | 27
Ukraine Weekly Update, 13th Sept 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-e4b
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 14 2024 16:24 utc | 28
One must wonder if Keir Starmer and Joe Biden are more concerned about their precious "migrants" being vaporized by Russian thermonuclear warheads than their despised indigenous White populations. That might be a proverbial silver lining surrounding the otherwise negative consequences of the Great Replacement of native Europeans being waged by their anti-White "leaders".
Peter AU1
Kursk started as a monumental fuckup for Russia. And the first week the U$NATO (and NAFO) were delirious with *finally* fucking with Russia on Russian soil.
And then the “find out” part of the “fuck around” equation hit.
I think senior and serious military observers have been stunned and alarmed at the numbers killed and the equipment lost.
Poltava was also a nasty surprise for them.
They know Russia can unleash a “Poltava” anywhere… anywhere… any time.
They no longer feel safe in Ramstein or Romania or al-Tanf, or Diego Garcia.
The military guys are cautious, but the rabid dogs in Team Biden are still thinking it’s the 1990s and Russia is a wet paper bag.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 14 2024 16:27 utc | 30
As noted in earlier thread - some sane heads in the Pentagon.
# Posted this a few times but worth looking at the Geological Trillions in what used to be known as "eastern Ukraine" ... the rocks tell the story
Conflict in Ukraine's Donbas Region: The Geology Behind the Headlines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvxzEa9Rkpg&t=52s [18 mins good graphics
Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 14 2024 16:27 utc | 31
It's all quite simple. Putin called their bluff in no uncertain terms...and HE's not bluffing.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2024 16:28 utc | 32
Pentagon has an unlimited capacity to throw sand in the gears...
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Sep 14 2024 16:05 utc | 16
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As long as a weapon is within range of a prospective target a psychopath will devise a way to use it.
The only adequate control is to remove the weapons from striking range.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 14 2024 16:31 utc | 33
This is the usual pattern, b. "Decide Against" ... then "Go right ahead".
I would interpret all that as "Decided in favour of ...".
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 14 2024 15:50 utc | 1
Dunno that I'd agree. If the Pentagon is against it, it's kind of difficult to get round. Same situation in Israel. Netanyahu wants his war with Iran; the military say no. It's been going on for twenty years - I can't even remember how long. There was a big crisis in 2012. But still the attack on Iran hasn't taken place, because the military say no, and their judgement hasn't changed, even if Netanyahu wants the war. Civilian extremists with no military experience have difficulty in arguing against the professional military conclusion.
Posted by: laguerre | Sep 14 2024 16:34 utc | 34
Charles E. Fromage@1552
Chuckie Cheesie:
Hey, cut with the homophobia. Most if not all of those samesexers in high positions are there because they are being blackmailed...usually with kids, and very occasionally with children. Honey-traps are likely the mechanism for the latter and in the more JudieChristie MagickMindfucked cultures, with the former as well.
As for those two Quislings in the $enate from South Carolina and Kentucky...any kind of samesex eroticism will get all the Born againlosers in those two brain cooked states all het up and start thumping on Constantine's "Holy" book.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2024 16:35 utc | 35
[...] the Pentagon was strongly against any further provocation of Russia.Posted by b on September 14, 2024 at 15:41 UTCThe generals know what Russian weapons could do to their assets should Russia decide to let someone shot back at them.
The Pentagon will also have accurate inventory numbers and accurate info on the lead-in times for any new production, bearing in mind that at least some production lines are shut down and capable technicians retired.
Makes it awkward for sabre-rattling towards Iran or China if the missiles get used up in Ukraine; demilitarisation indeed.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 14 2024 16:36 utc | 36
Posted by: Dang49 | Sep 14 2024 16:22 utc | 26
I agree with Orlov that much of this is theatre. But Putin is making a serious point in his statement - i.e. that NATO can't be in the ring punching away at Russia and claim that its outside of it. It has been obvious for a long time that NATO personnel are operating various delivery systems and are making use of US satellites to guide deadly missiles onto Russian targets. They are therefore combatants, which means that NATO is a combatant. I think Russia is taking this issue up with the UN - according to https://t.me/geromanat/34686.
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Sep 14 2024 16:38 utc | 37
Finally, Orlov reports Russia is considering cutting off US from some critical imports, namely niclear fuel,heavy crude amoung others. Hitting back without military escalation.
Posted by: Dang49 | Sep 14 2024 16:22 utc | 26
Should have done that 2 years ago imho. Would have loved seeing the US government and big businesses squealing like stuck pigs when their nuclear fuel, titanium etc. was cut off.
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 14 2024 16:39 utc | 38
The US has broadcast its plans for years in various think tank reports. The plan is to have the war Over There in Europe and Russia again, leaving them in ruins and the US on top again when it's over.
To accomplish this, they got various countries to sign up to "Let's you and him fight".
Ukraine took the bait (after the coup, of course), and started attacking Russians in that country, with discriminatory laws and with missiles.
Finally it worked, and Russia entered Ukraine to protect the beleaguered citizens of the Donbass. And for 2 1/2 years, the US plan has been working. I didn't think that Russia would play along, but so far they have.
But this only encourages our demented overlords.
So they came up with the plan to let France and the UK send missiles into Russia. They claim they will hit military targets, but we already know that is a lie, since they already use the short-range missiles they have to kill civilians.
The US coyly refused to allow its own missiles to be used, still planning to stay Over Here, and wait until Russia and Europe destroy each other. Echoes of Truman here.
But yesterday Putin warned that NATO sending missiles into Russia would open NATO countries up to reprisals, and he mentioned the US as part of NATO.
Uh, oh. That isn't the US plan. So they backed down for now.
I note that Harris is running ads bragging that she will ramp up provocations against Russia, unlike that wienie Trump, who keeps talking about peace, or something stupid like that.
In the comments below the articles about her ads, braindead Americans cheer her on. "Yeah, let's get him! If we don't stop him in Ukraine, he will come after Alaska next."
Too Stupid To Live, but we seem to have gotten a reprieve, just like for the last 10 years.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 14 2024 16:40 utc | 39
pyrrhus@1655
Yup. Even those brown-nosed, star-studded generals do usually listen to the Colonels, light Colonels and Majors on their staffs and have ultimately come to the realization that shit actually stinks and that messing with MamaBear is asking for T R O U B L E
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2024 16:41 utc | 40
pyrrhus at correctly 1605:
Hard to always remember the proper sequence of numbers. Apologies.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2024 16:42 utc | 42
I have not seen Lloyd Austin.since last. December. Is he alive because he is basically just sucking up free checks.
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 14 2024 16:44 utc | 43
Btw anyone read this.
Raising the Stakes in Ukraine
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/13/raising-the-stakes-in-ukraine/
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 14 2024 15:54 utc | 5
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So now military escalation rather than diplomacy is the name of the game — at least for those who send the sons of the working class to fight and die in wars rather than their own. In his classic antiwar novel, Dalton Trumbo lays it out much more powerfully than this writer ever could:
“So did all those kids die thinking of democracy and freedom and liberty and the safety of the home and the stars and stripes forever? You’re goddamn right they didn’t. They died crying in their minds like little babies … They died yearning for the face of a friend. They died whimpering for the voice of a mother a father a wife a child.”
It bears repeating again and again that this ugly and bitter conflict was eminently avoidable. It is a conflict not of Russia’s but of the West’s choosing.
By: John Wight
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Thank you, Dogon Priest. That is a keeper.
Posted by: Ed | Sep 14 2024 16:45 utc | 44
What chance US NSC envoy Jake Sullivan on visit to Beijing made no dents in the China-Russia relationship. Wang Yi made clear the escalation should stop and end the war through talks. Trade barriers and EU sanctions won’t deter China.
http://nl.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/zgyw/202408/t20240830_11482159.htm
The Muslim world is uniting, but takes time … Türkiye-Syria-Iraq-Iran and the GCC states … add Pakistan-Indonesia-Malaysia. China and Russia are sovereign in Central Asia and Caspian Sea basin. Sahel and African nations too are looking towards the BRICS union.
I read this again. Again I burst into laughter. Pure comedic gold. Am I the only one laughing at this? AM I missing something. This administration is Richard Pryor level hilarious.
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 14 2024 16:49 utc | 46
To anyone who tells me “we need to beat Putin”
My response is - “so you think we need to march on Moscow ? “
Posted by: Exile | Sep 14 2024 16:50 utc | 47
Btw anyone read this.
Raising the Stakes in Ukraine
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/13/raising-the-stakes-in-ukraine/
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Sep 14 2024 15:54 utc | 5
It is a very good piece. I think Wight is a powerful voice. The Trumbo quote breaks your heart. That said, I have no doubt the sons of bitches will strike Russia with these weapons, because as Doctorow noted in his most recent article, NATO really has no other military options, and the lack the character to negotiate a peace. Some em if ya got em.
Posted by: KMRIA | Sep 14 2024 16:51 utc | 48
Wage laborer@1640
Good many of those "too stupid to live" types fearfully took the jab. What goes around, comes around.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2024 16:52 utc | 49
The military guys are cautious, but the rabid dogs in Team Biden are still thinking it’s the 1990s and Russia is a wet paper bag.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 14 2024 16:27 utc | 31
I certainly agree with that but I believe the rabid dogs are now well outnumbered by the realists in the US power structure/deep state.
Time will tell on that one way or another I guess.
I think the Change began somewhere around Tucker Carlson heading to Russia as what I believe to be a CIA rep to speak directly and publicly with Putin - Putin pretty much made that clear.
That thick parcel of Russian history that had been prepared for the meeting plus other factors showed that Russia placed a lot of importance on that meeting.
It is likely to be not just the Pentagon but also CIA that are swinging away from direct war with Russia.
Even Stoltenberg now says the war will at some point have to be ended through negotiations - a big change on the part of Stoltenberg there.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 16:54 utc | 51
Sooner or later the US are going to resume taking potshots at Russia. Now they'll just have a story ready to say it wasn't them.
Imagine a newly elected Kamala wishing to be seen as at least as strong as, or stronger than her male predecessors.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 14 2024 16:55 utc | 52
Impending US/UK approval for long-range missile strikes into Russia received a far amount of hype in the MSM - up to the point the Biden-Starmer meeting actually began. Very muted afterwards.
Bottom line in USA remains: no actual war with Russia. (Trump in debate said several times: no war, Russia has nuclear weapons)
There was a flurry of excitement in Israel earlier this week anticipating a big move into Lebanon - that seems to have gone quiet as well.
Posted by: jayc | Sep 14 2024 16:56 utc | 53
2 self-mutilated eunuchs, Starmer and Trudeau, yapping about long-range weapons against Russia. The former, another Brit cut-out snapping his suspenders like he has power outside of his handlers, and the latter, void of cognition and historical knowledge, echoing the vapid grunts of his mother Maggie.
Canada, once an Honest Broker, the fertile ground of Diplomacy, could have assisted in cobbling together a settlement for Ukraine neutrality. Instead, we have a manchild, taking instructions from backdoor others, high of purported intellect, short of common sense.
That these 2 "leaders" with the majority votes of a minority of voters can wrap themselves in Il Duce capes and lead their nations to their deaths is precisely what "Democracy" is not.
To the last thread about Michael Douglas visiting Herr Zelenski. BlackRock/Hollywood use available Chosen Agents to send messages. I don't know Kurts last name before the Chosen in Hollywood had him change his name to Douglas, but someone can look it up.
Russia is playing the Western Pawn, Ukraine, in her own time, for this battle is a sideline to the war that the dying U.S. is losing.
Tell me how Thomas Massie's wife died?
Posted by: kupkee | Sep 14 2024 16:59 utc | 54
As I have said previously, as delusional as the now disabled Joe Biden is, he is clearly not insane to the level of wishing to engage in WWIII over the corrupt Nazis in Kieve, regardless of what the far left Trotskyite PM Sir Keir had to say...........
Sir Keir apparently has no torque in DC. He has no cards to play in this game. The UK naval and army forces are totally undermanned and out classed in every category. Serbia has more MBT's than the UK by a mile.....WTH! The UK's two CV's are rarely out of port due to mechanical flaws and the lack of trained aircrews and escort destroyers and frigates, the RN even had to use a supply replenishment ship as the command ship in the ME, just pathetic.
What could possibly possess a UK PM to push for a nuclear confrontation with the RF? Really this is prime proof as to what an incompetent he really is.
Like the IDF, now the UK is attempting draw the US into a confrontation over the fall of the Nazi, anti Orthodox dictatorship in Kieve (due to collapse on October 1st by the way, when the RF big arrow coup d'grace is set to begin), just like the IDF is attempting to draw the US into a general war against Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, and the Houthis.
Not going to work at this time, remember we are less than 60 days away from a national election for POTUS and Congress............
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 14 2024 16:59 utc | 55
I certainly agree with that but I believe the rabid dogs are now well outnumbered by the realists in the US power structure/deep state.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 16:54 utc | 52
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The dangerous missiles are controlled by people in (or near) Ukraine, not Washington D.C.
The resolution for this crisis is to remove the missiles. Same as Cuba in '62.
If the West can't prove that the physical threat has been removed then Russia will deal with the consequences.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 14 2024 17:02 utc | 56
Hey, cut with the homophobia.
Posted by: aristodemos | Sep 14 2024 16:35 utc | 36
No.
It's fun how you read that post and only came out with a feeling that "oh noez someone touched my anus."
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 14 2024 17:05 utc | 57
51 days til the election and talk of long range missiles has been a tad of a distraction in an otherwise dreary genocidally depressing cycle complete with not so subtle lectures about anti-america americans and what's happening to the youth. i think it's likely dem neocons, whoever is running the show, couldn't afford NATO taking a hit from Russia over the next few weeks.
Posted by: annie | Sep 14 2024 17:13 utc | 58
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 14 2024 16:59 utc | 56
Agree with your post apart from “far left Trotskyite PM Sir Keir”. Starmer is a deeply-embedded Deep State/WEF globalist, who has previously served as director of the Crown Prosecution Service and has some unanswered questions from that period of office.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 14 2024 17:15 utc | 60
28 Imperator - totally on.....the UK Army now has less than 200 active MBT's, some Challenger I's in reserve storage.....they are a threat to no one..........they are a parade ground army only good for Trooping of the Colors................
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Sep 14 2024 17:15 utc | 61
Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia Sergey Ryabkov said that the decision to allow the strikes has been taken and Kiev has been given carte blanche.
There is no reason to doubt his words, or any reason to believe the US/UK intimating or saying otherwise.
The consistent pattern of US/NATO behaviour in the entire conflict (as in others) has been to first decide the next moves and then to stage a public/media "we might-we might not" charade.
Ryabkov: The Russian response will be brutal
"The Russian President has said everything on this topic. The decision [to allow Kiev to strike] is there, all the carte blanche, indulgences have been issued to Kiev’s clients. Therefore, we will respond in a brutal way. There is an element of serious risk here, because the opponents in Washington, London, and other places clearly underestimate the degree of danger of the game they continue to play," Ryabkov said.
https://tass.com/politics/1843249
Posted by: JB | Sep 14 2024 17:21 utc | 63
If the West can't prove that the physical threat has been removed then Russia will deal with the consequences.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 14 2024 17:02 utc | 57
'Deal with' or 'deal out'?
I have been thinking a bit about this idea some have that that the war/conflict will continue indefinitely re terrorism sabotage ect, even if it drops to much lower level warfare.
There is the growing resistance to war with Russia from the remaining people in Ukraine.
The empire also realizes that if the conflict dropped to that lower level, the Ukrainians will have time to think about the enormous losses they have suffered, many not returning home due to their unreported deaths will also hit home.
I think that for the majority of remaining Ukroids any form of a winding down of the frontline conflict will also give time to reflect on what could have been with Minsk II plus Russia agreeing to/bending over backwards to the main points of the peace talks early in the SMO.
Much that will sink in so long, so as there is even a winding down of the conflict..... Its at the point now where large numbers of Ukraine are recognizing the bullshit coming from the west. This understanding will greatly increase in the not too distant future.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 17:21 utc | 64
From the Trump debate, Harris is al in on supporting the neocon perpetul war scam over Kiev:
"I actually met with Zelenskyy a few days before Russia invaded, tried through force to change territorial boundaries to defy one of the most important international rules and norms, which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity."
The neocons make the norms and rules and would trade Brussels and NY for them!
Posted by: paddy | Sep 14 2024 17:21 utc | 65
Within the Outlaw US Empire/NATO/EU's garden there appear to be many rakes that keep being stepped on as the Elmer Fudd/Porky Pig series of policy decisions continue to be delivered. One example is sanctioning RT on the eve of the BRICS Media Summit. Here's a portion of Lavrov's message to the Summit participants:
Among the many items on the busy agenda of the Presidency, the BRICS Media Summit occupies a prominent place. For the first time, it was organised by TASS, one of the leaders of the Russian and international information space, with the assistance of the Chinese news agency Xinhua.Media cooperation within the framework of our association continues to strengthen. We are witnessing an intensification of information exchanges and, in general, an increase in interaction between the media of the participating countries. It is no coincidence that the theme of your summit is "The Role of the BRICS Media Community in Strengthening Stability and Cooperation in the Modern World."
In the context of the historically irreversible process of the formation of a polycentric world order, the professional work of journalists, editors, managers, and specialists in the field of news media is especially in demand. It is difficult to overestimate the role of the media in the development of interstate communication, strengthening the atmosphere of friendship, trust, and mutual understanding between peoples. It is gratifying that your event is attended by the heads of the leading media of the BRICS countries, as well as representatives of other countries of the Global South and East, the World Majority.
I hope that the forum will become a platform for establishing working contacts and exchanging experience. It will contribute to the formation of a constructive information and news agenda based on truth and verified facts. It will allow us to formulate new ideas aimed at expanding the opportunities for the multi-million audience of the BRICS countries to receive complete and reliable information about what is happening in our countries and in the world as a whole. [My Emphasis]
Note that neither TASS nor Xinhua were sanctioned for their ongoing publishing of news and information.
I read a report saying that the Estonian FM while visiting China learned China holds NATO at fault for the Ukraine crisis, a position that apparently caused him great pain in his Nazi brain. Unfortunately, I can't find the link to that news item, which I found somewhat humorous--clearly the result of stepping on another rake.
"The Russian President has said everything on this topic. The decision [to allow Kiev to strike] is there, all the carte blanche, indulgences have been issued to Kiev’s clients. Therefore, we will respond in a brutal way. There is an element of serious risk here, because the opponents in Washington, London, and other places clearly underestimate the degree of danger of the game they continue to play," Ryabkov said.
Posted by: JB | Sep 14 2024 17:21 utc | 64
Maybe, finally, it's game on.
Posted by: Tichy | Sep 14 2024 17:25 utc | 67
Not even Hollywood can imagine what happens behind the scenes in the US. The pressure must be extreme, between the fanatical warmongers in the State Department and the realists in the Ministry of Defence, the sparks will fly and in between - a demented president. I almost want to think of a combination of "Dr Strangelove", "Titanic" and "Downfall", with a dash of "The Naked Gun" - but it will be even crazier!
Posted by: xblob | Sep 14 2024 17:28 utc | 68
Posted by: xblob | Sep 14 2024 17:28 utc | 69
I’d add Catch-22 to your mix.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 14 2024 17:31 utc | 69
Posted by: Charles E. Fromage | Sep 14 2024 15:52 utc | 4
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Starmer is bi and has an open relationship in all sense of the word where actions are always justified.
Posted by: AI | Sep 14 2024 17:32 utc | 70
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Sep 14 2024 17:15 utc | 61
In the eyes of the left, Starmer is certainly more far-right than far-left, and certainly socialism's worst traitor.
He has focused his attacks on the left in the Labor Party, so UK left look hate him like a beast.
However, what concerns me is that the phenomenon of "former Trotskyists" becoming allies of the military-industrial complex CIA/MI6 and becoming the worst enemies of their old left-wing comrades can be seen here as well.
That's exactly what the neoconservatives did.
hmm...When a Trotskyist "corrupts" and becomes a dog of the capitalists, does something extremely unpleasant occur in his personality...
Posted by: Nokaz | Sep 14 2024 17:34 utc | 71
Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia Sergey Ryabkov said that the decision to allow the strikes has been taken and Kiev has been given carte blanche.
I agree with this. Even if the west would want to stop itself, that would be impossible now. Everythig is delayed for several weeks.
Too many politicians in the West are not afraid of Russia any more.
Posted by: vargas | Sep 14 2024 17:34 utc | 72
kupkee | Sep 14 2024 16:59 utc | 55
Starmer is no Maggy Thatcher for sure. One good spanking from her and Bush launched Desert Storm.
Kirk Douglas was born Issur Danielovitch in New York.
Posted by: Felicity | Sep 14 2024 17:35 utc | 73
US and UK leaders dismiss Vladimir Putin’s war threats
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePseIfdUr_c
14 Sept 2024
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and US President Joe Biden have dismissed Vladimir Putin’s threats of a potential war.
“I don’t think much about Vladimir Putin,” President Biden said.
This comes after the Russian President warned that allowing Ukraine to strike Russian territory with Western long-range missiles would mean NATO’s direct involvement in the conflict.
Mr Putin warned this move would mean that NATO countries would be “at war with Russia”.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 14 2024 16:00 utc | 9
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The most important thing that the MSM and Joe Biden don't want to do quote President Putin verbatim as b did yesterday:
"[T]he Ukrainian army is not capable of using cutting-edge high-precision long-range systems supplied by the West. They cannot do that. These weapons are impossible to employ without intelligence data from satellites which Ukraine does not have. This can only be done using the European Union’s satellites, or US satellites – in general, NATO satellites. This is the first point."
"The second point – perhaps the most important, the key point even – is that only NATO military personnel can assign flight missions to these missile systems. Ukrainian servicemen cannot do this."
"Therefore, it is not a question of allowing the Ukrainian regime to strike Russia with these weapons or not. It is about deciding whether NATO countries become directly involved in the military conflict or not."
September 12 2024, Kremlin.ru
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One can only wonder why the Western Media, Biden, and the State Department, doesn't want to include this tidbit while dismissing Vladimir Putin’s "war threats"?
Posted by: Ed | Sep 14 2024 17:41 utc | 74
Guys, Sumy is also falling after the Kursk's designed trap; according to our guys, overnight, Russian aviation hit formations of seven brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces in the Kursk region, and also struck reserves of 11 brigades in the Sumy region. Bravo!
Posted by: AI | Sep 14 2024 17:44 utc | 75
Interesting speculations by "callsign Katzman" channel interpreting on what Medvedev meant in his latest TG post about the possibility/certainty of NATO LR attacks, namely this - "the response (to the LR attack) may involve the usage of new type of non-nuclear weapons". Link here: https://t.me/pozivnoy_kazman/14307
Original post by Medvedev here: https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/529
Translated excerpt from Katzman's longish post here:
Moreover, the answer may also be through the use of new delivery vehicles without nuclear equipment.
We are not talking about quasi-ballistic Iskander-M and Kinzhal or, say, Zircon with conventional warheads, let's say. We are probably talking about a completely different type of warhead and on unknown carriers. There will be nothing nuclear in them. No fission reaction in the first stage, no fusion reaction in the second. But the power of this "conventional" explosive will be an order of magnitude and much more superior to, say, such a powerful explosive as octogen. Let's say, a ton of such explosive will work like a nuclear sabotage mine at one of its minimum powers, like 0.02 kt of TNT equivalent. But without light radiation, radiation, EMP and radioactive fallout. Not enough? And what if ten or a hundred arrive?We are talking about the so-called "ideal" explosive (it can also become an ideal rocket fuel, but only if we learn how to obtain it cheaply). Yes, we are talking about polymer nitrogen. We do not know if such a weapon already exists in series. We know that the very possibility of creating such substances was predicted, and then proven in 2004 in our God-saved Empire. Yes, the first experiments showed that enormous pressures are needed to obtain substances with the required characteristics. But the work continued. And results were obtained at 15 times lower pressures. For example, here ... A fairly ancient link. Or here . But Skolkovo (whose favorite brainchild it was, no need to write), and Phystech, and many other offices, including very experimental and very technical physicists 😉, actively continued to dig into the topic. The topic is also being dug by enemies, but we, in this matter, have an obvious head start. And not so long ago, even those of us who want to increase our citation rate in peer-reviewed journals stopped writing on this topic...
Posted by: Boo | Sep 14 2024 17:45 utc | 76
'Deal with' or 'deal out'?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 17:21 utc | 65
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Both.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 14 2024 17:46 utc | 77
Posted by: too scents | Sep 14 2024 16:31 utc | 34
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I believe he was speaking of the ability of the Pentagon to obstruct the civilian government.
No one rules anywhere without the military on their side.
That's why the lasting and most successful coups are military-driven.
Anyone can issue orders. If people will not follow those orders, what difference do those orders make?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 14 2024 17:46 utc | 78
UN General Assembly? What? Article is paywalled for me. Why are they intending to bring this issue to the UNGA? And why not the Security Council?
Posted by: Rian | Sep 14 2024 17:47 utc | 79
Guys, Sumy is also falling after the Kursk's designed trap; according to our guys, overnight, Russian aviation hit formations of seven brigades of the Ukrainian armed forces in the Kursk region, and also struck reserves of 11 brigades in the Sumy region. Bravo!Posted by: AI | Sep 14 2024 17:44 utc | 76
Such rate of destruction, there's no denial the AFU Kursk grouping is crumbling.
The main thing Russia has to watch for what the force coming south from Glushkovo consists of. Apparently AFVs and tanks, including some Leopard tanks.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2024 17:49 utc | 80
Posted by: Rian | Sep 14 2024 17:47 utc | 80
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Could it be possible that the State Department has counted heads a believe that they might have the numbers to proceed with UN permission? A little arm pulling here, a little bribery there: Who knows?
The US would get vetoed for sure in the Security Council.
Posted by: Ed | Sep 14 2024 17:54 utc | 81
Meuleuca passed this on: "UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and US President Joe Biden have dismissed Vladimir Putin’s threats of a potential war.
“I don’t think much about Vladimir Putin,” President Biden said."
This is the problem and why we are worried that this demented crook ends all life on the planet. The whole story of Biden withdrawl from the race and his health issues have disappeared. Any reporter worth the ink in his pen should ask over and over the same question: WHEN was Biden diagnosed with mental dementia? How can anyone accept that the US has a person who is mentally incapacitated has the power to end life on the planet?
Posted by: Stierlitz | Sep 14 2024 18:06 utc | 82
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2024 17:49 utc | 81
"The main thing Russia has to watch for what the force coming south from Glushkovo consists of. Apparently AFVs and tanks, including some Leopard tanks."
I think you have the name of the town wrong!
Glushkovo, Glushkovsky District, Kursk Oblast
Posted by: angelo | Sep 14 2024 18:08 utc | 83
So, Pres Putin taught a master class in escalation dominance. Well played, sir!
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Sep 14 2024 18:10 utc | 84
Imagine a newly elected Kamala wishing to be seen as at least as strong as, or stronger than her male predecessors.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 14 2024 16:55 utc | 53
Kamala will sit, roll over and beg as commanded by the "collective Biden", as the Ruskies say. She's a fucking mannequin just like Biden. The oligarchy doesn't enlist thinking people with agency anymore. Frankly, it can't. In order to push unpopular war politics, it requires empty vessels, nothing more. If you want to evaluate a western politician ask yourself: does this person have any ability or inclination to challenge the "collective Biden"? If the answer is yes, then they may have some value to humanity.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 14 2024 18:13 utc | 85
Posted by: Ricardo Rubleso | Sep 14 2024 18:09 utc | 85
Sounds like rage-quit and temper tantrums of the last NAFO fans. They even established a mental care unit for broken down NAFO members.
No one cares what permission or not USA gives, because they don't even have too much left to conduct a separate or specific attack if they wanted.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2024 18:13 utc | 86
the west giving empty threats again? lol...
thanks b..
Posted by: james | Sep 14 2024 18:17 utc | 87
Hope you tankie dipshits enjoy eating crow. I'll be back next week when the US has greenlit the the Ukrainian march on Moscow and b(ullshitter) is doing his best Baghdad Bob impression to re-assure all of you idiots that mighty Russia is secure and stable.
Posted by: Ricardo Rubleso | Sep 14 2024 18:09 utc | 85
Why would you return to the bar, really? That in itself is very odd, Retardo.
You may be right. The west is highly irrational in it's profound decline. But why the anger? Why are you excited to return and gloat? I'll tell you why. Because you want Ukraine to spark WW3 with those weapons. And that, my confused friend, is why you are distasteful to the bar. You see, we generally want the conflict to end asap. We generally don't want to see nuclear WW3. We are, in a word, sane.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 14 2024 18:19 utc | 88
Decision deferred to UNGA later this month … meaning when leaders have a chance to meet face-to-face and a concensus is reached with key NATO countries. Decision postponed …
Ukrainian march on Moscow.
Posted by: Ricardo Rubleso | Sep 14 2024 18:09 utc | 85
Fascinating, cant wait for it.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Sep 14 2024 18:23 utc | 90
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 14 2024 15:58 utc | 7But isn't *exactly* all they have? NATO will back out, declare victory and leave the Ukrainian mess to EU/Germany. This will be hilarious to sober bystanders but easy to sell to their gullible natives: "We have prevented WW3!", "Only through the heroic Ukrainian effort could we keep Europe free!" and so on.So now the clowns have great wall of lies preventing them backing away and declaring victory, and Russia in front of them allowing no way forward.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 14 2024 18:26 utc | 92
If the West should fire its own weapons against Russia from UKraine, why should Russia not have the right to fire back its own weapons from UKraine against the West? It's only fair
Posted by: Ali | Sep 14 2024 18:26 utc | 93
Biden quotes
"For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power"
"I don’t think much about Vladimir Putin"
"Folks, I can tell you I've known eight presidents, three of them intimately."
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 14 2024 18:28 utc | 94
Posted by: Michigan Dude | Sep 14 2024 16:39 utc | 39I don't have any recommendations for Beijing or Moscow but it is interesting to me why they have been so lenient on counter-sanctions.Should have done that 2 years ago imho. Would have loved seeing the US government and big businesses squealing like stuck pigs when their nuclear fuel, titanium etc. was cut off.
Cuba has been sanctioned for 62 years IIRC and is badly suffering for it. Russia got "sanctions from hell" and didn't even blink an eye, or so it seems. Our local doom brigade will put it on "Putin weak" but there will be good reasons why they've been so goddamn patient on the economic front.
The trivial reply could be "they (or: their capitalists) need the revenue" but I am not sure. China did issue counter-measures but also much milder than imposed on them. In the prisoner's dilemma from game theory, tit-for-tat is one of the dominating strategies. China has been doing some of that; Russia's more like tit-for-two-tats (which can be even better). Anyway, any non-trivial insights are welcome.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 14 2024 18:31 utc | 95
Posted by: Konami | Sep 14 2024 18:26 utc | 94
They will not back down. There's a simple reason.
Most likely the US sent IMF to Moscow to allow IMF and US participate in BRICS some form. If Russia refuses, USA could go even more berserk in the face of a cliff, as banking/financial/economic collapse of the US and rest of the west is imminent. Lowering rates will only accelerate the displacement of west and its ability to obtain anything from the outside world.
In other words, rapid poverty, discontent, and breaking down of western countries. That will inevitability happen, right now Ukraine war is covering it all up. US want to poke its fingers into the BRICS through IMF.
Plainly, financial collapse of the west is near.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 14 2024 18:32 utc | 96
pepe escobar quote from today's article...
"As it stands, a deaf, dumb and blind Washington remains obsessed with its single-minded declared goal of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia.
Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Anatoly Antonov cuts to the chase: “It is impossible to negotiate with terrorists”, adding that “no schemes or so-called ‘peace initiatives’ to cease fire in Eastern Europe without taking into account Russia’s national interests are possible. Conferences won’t help either, no matter how beautifully they are named. As in the years of the Great Patriotic War, fascism must be eradicated. Goals and objectives of the special military operation will be fulfilled. No one should have any doubts that this is exactly how it’s going to be.”
And that brings us to the current incandescent juncture. There are only two options ahead for the U.S. proxy war against Russia in Ukraine: an unconditional Kiev surrender, or escalation towards a NATO war against Russia."
BRICS, the rise of China and how the Hegemon buried the concept of “security”
Posted by: james | Sep 14 2024 18:32 utc | 97
Posted by: AI | Sep 14 2024 17:44 utc | 76
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Please, always post sources. NAFO bros don't post sources because most of what they post is propaganda.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 14 2024 18:33 utc | 98
@ Ricki Rubles | Sep 14 2024 18:31 utc | 97
you bring some humour and entertainment to moa, lol... are you filling in for fred today??
Posted by: james | Sep 14 2024 18:34 utc | 99
Posted by: Ricki Rubles | Sep 14 2024 18:31 utc | 97
you nazis are so cute when you whine.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 14 2024 18:34 utc | 100
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This is the usual pattern, b. "Decide Against" ... then "Go right ahead".
I would interpret all that as "Decided in favour of ...".
Ah well. It was nice knowing you all.
One last drink for the road ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 14 2024 15:50 utc | 1