U.S. Tries To Deter Iran From Taking Revenge
The Washington Post is warmongering against Iran.
It's informal CIA spokesman David Ignatius claims today that Iran is plotting to kill U.S. politicians:
Tehran has been plotting a violent retaliation campaign against the United States for years. Iran has conducted repeated assassination plots inside the United States ever since, without success, according to Justice Department documents.Iran has applied similar methodology in most of these attacks. Iranians or their operatives who traveled to Iran have tried to recruit hit men from gangs or criminal groups. They’ve used complicated tradecraft to try to avoid detection in the United States, but, in each case, they have stumbled into the hands of the FBI.
Or the FBI has found some dimwits which fell for plots to entrap them ...
Another WaPo story claims that Iran wants to interference with U.S. elections:
National security officials and researchers noted a rise in “troublesome” Iranian influence operations designed to meddle in the U.S. presidential race.The Trump campaign has suggested Iranian hackers leaked its documents to media organizations, but no proof has emerged.
... In its recent report, Microsoft spotlighted four websites, which the company said were covertly run by Iran, masquerading as legitimate news outlets that published articles on controversial subjects including the presidential election, LGBTQ+ rights and the Israeli military campaign in Gaza.
These claims are just as bollocks as the last round of such about Russian interference in U.S. elections.
Each time such propaganda comes up is a sign that the U.S. is planning for some kind of conflict.
I doubt though that the U.S. wants a war with Iran. The news of U.S. ships and airplanes moved to the Middle East it is just trying to scare Iran into refraining from hitting Israel.
But Tehran will not do so. With the assassination of the Hamas leader Ismael Haniyeh Israel killed a foreign state guest of Iran within Iran.
It demonstrated that Israel is not deterred from such acts. If Iran leaves this without consequences Israel would start to kill Iranian politicians left and right. It is therefore determined to seek revenge:
Fereshteh Sadeghi فرشته صادقی @fresh_sadegh - 13:53 UTC · Aug 14, 2024
#Irananalysis🧵1- Iran’s Leader Ayatollah Khamenei is determined to punish Israel for the assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran. In a meeting on Wednesday he said “non-tactical retreat in any field -be it military, political or economic- will instigate divine wrath”.
2- Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says Iran’s enemies try to draw back Iranian nation by frightening them through a psychological warfare.
“Since the beginning of our revolution, they inculcated us with the fear of the U.S., the UK and the Zionist regime”.3- Iran’s leader says “by inculcating fear and waging a psychological war, the enemy intends to force us to retreat. Our nation knows it can do great things by simply trusting itself and believing the enemy doesn’t have the upper hand, as it pretends to be superior.”
Khamenei.ir @khamenei_ir - 12:47 UTC · Aug 14, 2024
The enemy's purpose in using psychological warfare on the military front is to instil fear and force a retreat. The Quran tells us that a nontactical retreat in any field, whether it is military, political, or economic, will bring divine wrath.4- All that said, the Ayatollah has already vowed a severe punishment for the Zionist regime of Israel.
By talking so, he literally states that Iran will face Allah’s wrath if it doesn’t respond to Israel’s crimes against Palestinians or reneges on its promise of revenge”.
What Iran will do, and when, is of course the question everyone is asking and for which there will be no answer until Iran strikes.
The waiting alone has an effect:
As our nation waits passively for two weeks and counting to see whether, when and how devastatingly Iran and Hezbollah will choose to attack us, in order to “avenge” the killings of two terror chiefs bent on our destruction, we Israelis feel like the hapless, helpless playthings of other, more powerful forces. This is not an acceptable situation for the revived Jewish nation. And it points to the untenable lack of a strategy by our leadership for restoring national security more than 10 months after the October 7 Hamas invasion, slaughter and abductions.
Will Israel response to whatever Iran might do?
If it decides to do so, and if it causes severe damage, the war will further escalate into conflict which Israel, even with U.S. help, will not survive.
Posted by b on August 14, 2024 at 14:19 UTC | Permalink
next page »Posted by: Polli | Aug 14 2024 14:30 utc | 1
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I am partial to the idea of completely glassing a military facility such that it cannot be used ever again for that purpose.
Attacking civilians is the kind of casus belli that the Zionists want to escalate to full American involvement.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 14:33 utc | 2
"If it decides to do so, and if it causes severe damage, the war will further escalate into conflict which Israel, even with U.S. help, will not survive."
Iran is not going to survive as Israel and USA would use n. weapons.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 14 2024 14:38 utc | 3
What you have to bear in mind is that all of these US wars have but one purpose: to bolster US arms sales. It's that simple. All about money.
Posted by: Dave Pollard | Aug 14 2024 14:39 utc | 4
The part of interfering in the elections is true... The I in AIPAC means Iran ;)
Posted by: Garlico | Aug 14 2024 14:41 utc | 5
Tehran has been plotting a violent retaliation campaign against the United States for years. Iran has conducted repeated assassination plots inside the United States ever since, without success, according to Justice Department documents.For example when the the United States murdered General Soleimani?
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2024 14:45 utc | 6
The US political system disintegration is proceeding just fine without any external machinations.
Posted by: jpc | Aug 14 2024 14:46 utc | 7
The assassination in Tehran was of course a huge blow to the Iranian government and the IRGC.........it would be as if a top IDF general was assassinated in a bomb attack on Shoreham Hotel in DC.
How would any US government react to that type of provocation? Swiftly I would dare to imagine.
So now the US, UK, France and the SocialistEU are asking for restraint. This was a clear Israeli provocation, designed to engender a quick and huge IRGC response.....but that has yet to occur.
Its my humble opinion that IRGC are waiting for the outcome of the ceasefire talks in Qatar on Thursday. If the cease fire is agreed to on existing terms, the response will be muted, if the Bibi War Cabinet lays extensive new demands on the table to stall the talks indefinitely, then all heck will break out, with a combined arms attack by the IRGC, Hezbollah, Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, the Houthis and possibly the Syrians and Iraqis with RF AA support.
The most likely target....the Haifa oil refinery, oil tank farms, chemical plants, shipping warehouses, docks, tankers in port, port infrastructure, etc., etc.,....its an easy reach from Lebanon, and Syria, and the limited Iron Dome AA cover could be overwhelmed in the area by a concentrated drone and ballistic missile and artillery attack......bet on it.....put a hundred down at the land accountant........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 14 2024 15:02 utc | 8
Keep waiting
In the mittime cost millions to keep American ships around Persian Golf.
Posted by: Andrew | Aug 14 2024 15:02 utc | 9
The US may be building a case to kill more prominent Iranians, as Trump already has done killing Qasim Soleimani . . .
. . .from a 2012 US Senate hearing. . .
. .Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs meets to examine the grave implications of Iran's support for terrorism and militant movements in the Middle East. Iran's support for terrorism is well known and documented and has become an established fact over all these years. Iran provides political and military support to militant movements like Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad, and directly conducts terrorist acts throughout the Middle East to advance its interests. Over the past year alone, there appears to have been a sharp spike in Iranian-sponsored terrorism around the world. The international community has been clear in its resolve against Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon. We must also, however, unite in opposition to Iranian use of terrorism, an effort that will require heightened intelligence cooperation with countries around the globe and enhanced efforts to discredit the Iranian Quds Force and its patrons.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 14 2024 15:03 utc | 10
boo hoo hoo, poor helpless, innocent, little zionist-israel, 'being attacked on 7 fronts"
boo hoo hoo
https://x.com/jalyssaspeaking/status/1823269517289570650
Jalyssa Dugrot @jalyssaspeaking
The conses are quencing, Aviva.
This is what happens when you sabotage any chance at peace negotiations by assassinating political heads, carrying out a genocide, beheading babies, raping Palestinian prisoners, murdering journalists… War crimes and crossing red lines is Israel’s MO.
https://x.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1822666268899443196
Aviva Klompas @AvivaKlompas
Israel is being attacked on 7 fronts and yet it’s called the aggressor 🙄
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 14 2024 15:03 utc | 11
Iran is not going to survive as Israel and USA would use n. weapons.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 14 2024 14:38 utc | 3
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And Israel will?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 15:06 utc | 12
@ Andrew | Aug 14 2024 15:02 utc | 9
In the meantime cost millions to keep American ships around Persian Golf.
That costs nothing except to run the printing presses.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 14 2024 15:08 utc | 13
The world's now seen who really controls FUKUS/EU and it's not the president of the US. They're a conquered people who's very existence is to serve the moneymen!!! Elections, voting etc. are just smoke/mirrors. The puppet master's shown their hand and there's no going back.
Posted by: Zico | Aug 14 2024 15:09 utc | 14
Norwegian 6 - Exactly, the US and the IDF can and does assassinate foreign leaders at will, but when the IDF assassinates Hamas and Hezollah leaders in other nation'ss capital cities no less (whether you like them or not), no retaliation can be expected ?
No going to happen.....there will be a response and most likely its not going to proportional either.
Much the like the IDF response to the Hamas Raid in force........a complete destruction of all Gaza and West Bank civilian infrastructure and civil society and the planned starvation of two million Palestinian civilians......proportional? Hardly!!
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 14 2024 15:10 utc | 15
Iran attempting assassination attacks in the U$??? Hardy, har, har, har. Never succeeding either? Give me a friggen break. That yellow rag, the WaPo, must stand for Wiping after Potty.
Simple answer to that gaslighting propaganda nonsense is what about those millions of illegal immigrants? If the tens of thousands (at least) of military age men swarming across our borders actually would include "Iranian Assassins", how come they have never succeeded?
Like b infers, a false flag incident is not outta the question. Those bass-turds in the Di$trict of Corruption will do all they can, use any nefarious tactics...to make it look like "we" are the good guys and them the baddies.
With a high proportion of the Murrikkkan people in a state of terminal delusion from immersion in nitely Boobtoob Noo$e...those ignorant sods are far more interested in Taylor Swift and NFL Vegas gambling on fake games than they ever could be regarding geopolitical matters of high importance. Thus, for a certain percentage of the Great Overwashed, any statements by govmint "Officials" is closely akin to the Word of God.
Then the FeeBees get into the equation. They EXIST to create criminals. It's their bureaucratic imperative. Their plotting and scheming centers are within their Behavior Analysis Unit (BAU) located in Quantico, Virginia. They constantly do psychological evaluations on targeted individuals and employ post-hypnotic suggestions; psychotronic weaponry (with assistance from NASA and the Agency) along with numerous additional underhanded methodologies to pull off stunts, often bloody, calculated to keep the public under tight control.
Welcome to the Brave New World...40 years and counting since the Reagan regime in 1984.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 15:11 utc | 16
Why not just tit-for-tat assassination? No need for WW3 to make a point.
Posted by: Salt Lick | Aug 14 2024 15:18 utc | 17
Tobias Cole@1502
Plausible overview, but one teensy quibble: "EU Socialist"?? Not quite hardly. They certainly are part of the centralization scheme...but that plotting is anything but socialist. It is deeply under the control nexus of the Rome based Old Black Nobility..along with the Sanhedrin. All other interpretations are simply uninformed at any level of depth.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 15:18 utc | 18
Iran will wait on the order of weeks, perhaps months or until Israhell cracks and tries to 'retaliate' pre-emptively.
Iran is trying to do one of two things:
1. Force an attack by Israhell which it can then use to "power" an immediate retaliation. An immediate retaliation which will happen too quickly for the Western powers to issue requests for restraint.
2. To drive the Israhelli leadership and people mad, draining their energy materially and psychologically and tying up their resources.
In both these cases, Time is on the side of Iran. If Iran delays it achieves #2 while drawing ever closer to #1.
Therefore the most logical approach for Iran is to keep the psyop going as long as possible while preparing for the inevitable 'preemptive retaliation'.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 14 2024 15:19 utc | 19
thanks b... goes back to the question - how does all of this change if ever? constant retaliation - look what it has brought.. none of it is positive... the usa and other countries meddling - look where it has got the world? it hasn't worked.. stop the meddling and stop the retaliation - but no.. that is hard to do and others want to dominate... these folks who want to dominate - that is a losing proposition right their...
@ Tobias Cole | Aug 14 2024 15:02 utc | 8
thanks... could be..
Posted by: james | Aug 14 2024 15:21 utc | 20
Iran is not going to survive as Israel and USA would use n. weapons.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 14 2024 14:38 utc | 3
Regardless, Iran has no choice but to fight because Israel/USA could choose at any time, for any pretence to use nukes on it.
The threat of nuclear weapons against Iran is, ultimately, a red herring.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 14 2024 15:21 utc | 21
Analysts like Mearsheimer and B here continue to say "I don't understand why USA continues to allow attack dog Israel to provoke Iran...after all it isn't in America's interest to have a war with Iran ".
But this view is premised on a specific notion of what exactly "America" is.
What really is "America" and what is its interest? If its interest is regional and global hegemony rather than balance of power, then a US supported Israeli proxy
war with Iran is certainly a major attack node against BRICS and SCO and not only less dangerous than a direct war on Russia/China....but perhaps a NECESSARY front in the calculus of Atlanticist planners. Berletic makes this point (RAND) continuously. In other words a war with IRAN absolutely IS in the hegemon's interest given the closing strategic window vis a vis the rise of BRICS which is existential (Emmanuel Todd) for USA. The psyops is to pretend it isn't.
Posted by: ZT | Aug 14 2024 15:25 utc | 22
As usual, Caitlin Johstone hits the nail on the head:
https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/12/caitlin-johnstone-us-to-iran-only-israel-may-escalate/
The imperial spin machine operates by reversing victim and victimizer, aggressor and defender — claiming to act in self-defense while existing in a continuous state of attack
Posted by: motorslug | Aug 14 2024 15:25 utc | 23
I'm becoming rusted on to my speculation that Iran is waiting for AmeriKKKa's Salvation Navy fleet of 12+ ships to get close enough to the Middle East to become targets for all the angry anti-Jewrael forces.
I read recently that USA has 40,000 troops in the ME, few if any of whom were invited. So they'll be juicy targets too.
Jewrael thought it wanted to drag The United States Of Amnesia into some sort of war. I'd bet a lot of money that they'll be VERY unhappy with the resulting SNAFU.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 14 2024 15:26 utc | 24
@Arch Bungle | Aug 14 2024 15:19 utc | 19
Therefore the most logical approach for Iran is to keep the psyop going as long as possible while preparing for the inevitable 'preemptive retaliation'.The main goal for Iran is to remove the US from the region. Without the US, the Occupied Palestine beachhead is not sustainable.
In the current situation though, the order might be switched. Keeping the psyop going is definitely having an effect.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2024 15:27 utc | 25
Israel is being attacked on 7 fronts and yet it’s called the aggressor 🙄
Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 14 2024 15:03 utc | 11
Ahem! ((They))
always knew what they were doing was wrong, proof from Ben-Gurion after the Arab Revolt of 1936-1939, cited in Benny Morris’s book, ‘1948’: “we are the attackers and the Arabs are those defending themselves. They are living in the country and own the land, ..”((They)) are the aggressors all right, and you may consider apologising (hasbarat, much?)
Posted by: skrik | Aug 14 2024 15:27 utc | 26
@ ZT | Aug 14 2024 15:25 utc | 22
yes, that makes a lot of sense, so their is that... again - no interest in any type of ''balance of power''.. the west only thinks in terms of winner take all..
Posted by: james | Aug 14 2024 15:30 utc | 27
Its my humble opinion that IRGC are waiting for the outcome of the ceasefire talks in Qatar on Thursday. If the cease fire is agreed to on existing terms, the response will be muted, if the Bibi War Cabinet lays extensive new demands on the table to stall the talks indefinitely, then all heck will break out, with a combined arms attack by the IRGC, Hezbollah, Hamas, PIJ, PFLP, the Houthis and possibly the Syrians and Iraqis with RF AA support.
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 14 2024 15:02 utc | 8
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As the murder of the Hamas chief negotiator took place in Iran, Iran should be well aware that Israel has no interest in a lasting ceasefire. So it is unlikely Iran will have any expectations of the latest attempt to hold ceasefire talks in Doha will be successful.
If that isn't enough, Hamas isn't going to attend the so-called ceasefire talks.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/no-more-deception-hamas-will-not-participate-in-doha-negotiations/
I predict the next ceasefire negotiations will take place in Sinwar's office deep under Gaza
Posted by: Chas | Aug 14 2024 15:33 utc | 28
Don't forget the Strait of Hormuz if there's war with Iran.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 14 2024 15:33 utc | 29
This situation manifests a strange impotence on the part of the US. There were rumors about a return to JCPOA but I don't see how that can happen with all the partisan yellow journalism happening. As a result, what can the US offer Iran in any deal? Apparently, nothing. The political system is unlikely to allow it so there's no reason for Iran to rely on anything the US says. By default, the answer is always war.
A few liberal Jews are perceiving that a future Israel will likely be hostile to them. The government will be some sort of extremist theocracy and likely to drive out the entrepreneurial culture associated with secular/Labour voters. The US will be hard pressed to defend a genocidal nation.
So, the Houthis hit the south (Eilat), Hamas ruins the middle and Hezbollah makes the north somewhat uninhabitable. Let's see Netanyahu stonewall his way out of this.
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 14 2024 15:33 utc | 30
Posted by: ZT | Aug 14 2024 15:25 utc | 22
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Well said. What is America, but a Zionist vassal state?
Here is the MAGA crowd on Israel.
And some people don't understand why I try to minimize my exposure to other humans ...
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 15:34 utc | 31
Don't forget the Strait of Hormuz if there's war with Iran.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 14 2024 15:33 utc | 29
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It is impossible to imagine China being ok with the Straits being interrupted.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 15:36 utc | 32
Iran is not going to survive as Israel and USA would use n. weapons.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 14 2024 14:38 utc | 3
The Russia nuclear doctrine says
Russia will retaliate against a nuclear/WMD attack against itself and/or its allies.
Iran is, I believe, an ally.
It appears to me that nuclear strike on Iran, at this moment, will lead to WW3. It is not clear what will happen after conventional strikes, which looks increasingly probable.
Posted by: Grey Cloud | Aug 14 2024 15:40 utc | 33
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 14 2024 15:02 utc | 8
Hamas has repeatedly stated that they will not even attend the talks tomorrow on a ceasefire, so Friday could be an ugly day.
Blinken even canceled his trip according to an article I read.
The Empire of Lies keeps promoting the ceasefire talks. It’s their way of sowing confusion.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 14 2024 15:43 utc | 34
/alights and perches
o_o
Huh, I guess all that old USA soft power and appearance of good faith negotiator would have been really useful right now. Oh well, squandered it all for Israel. No turning back I guess, gotta burn it all down for an "ally" that uses and abuses the USA, in money & image. That lobby money must be really tasty, selling out your national power and respect for a foreign power.
^.^
At least your political names will go down in infamy among those paying attention!
/cheep cheep
Posted by: titmouse | Aug 14 2024 15:43 utc | 35
The Islamic Republic of Iran has shown more restraint against its enemies than any other nation. Even its most militant revolutionaries could not execute the CIA spies responsible for Ayatollah Khomeini's son's death, and many others, after students captured and held them during the revolution. Iranians, unlike Europeans and Americans, do not want to commit violence but no matter how passive they behave the Westerners, especially Americans and Israelis, torment them with assassinations, terrorist attacks, sanctions. Rather than strike Israel, Iran would better inspire fear in Israel if it could shoot down Israeli fighter jets attacking Iran. That is also true for Hezbollah. Once Israel learns it can no longer attack any of its neighbors with impunity it may have to finally back down. Until then, Iran, Lebanon, Syria will be targets of Israeli aggression.
Posted by: Keme | Aug 14 2024 15:43 utc | 36
all of these US wars have but one purpose: to bolster US arms sales.
i don't buy that lock stock and barrel. it presumes that of all the zionist mega donors who feed both parties not a one of them have aspirations to expand the settlement project and/or the expansion of israel. that just doesn't make sense.
Posted by: annie | Aug 14 2024 15:44 utc | 37
That costs nothing except to run the printing presses.Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 14 2024 15:08 utc | 13
Debasing your currency while being a net-importer always works wonders in the long run...
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Aug 14 2024 15:45 utc | 38
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Aug 14 2024 15:45 utc | 38
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Time is always the overlooked or forgotten factor.
One can run a Ponzi scheme very successfully, for a time.
Ukraine can invade Russia, for a time.
Israel can assassinate leaders ... for a time.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 15:48 utc | 39
Anyone who still thinks mainstream media is anything but propaganda gets exactly what they deserve.
Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Aug 14 2024 16:03 utc | 40
Imo, a proper Iranian limited response would be to bomb the Hell out of every Mossad and military headquarters building.
Posted by: morongobill | Aug 14 2024 16:03 utc | 41
don't forget the kid who missed Trump and had two encrypted phones which one outlet localized near a... fbi office
they screwed up big time
Posted by: Minaa | Aug 14 2024 16:06 utc | 42
@Norwegian 25
As long as there is an Israel, there will be a US in the Middle East. You want to get rid of US, get rid of Israel.
Iran will attack, and has no fear of US or any other. Use of Nukes is a no go for anyone, not even US.
Posted by: Alpi | Aug 14 2024 16:07 utc | 43
Use of Nukes is a no go for anyone, not even US.
Posted by: Alpi | Aug 14 2024 16:07 utc | 43
I beg to differ, zionazis will if they face major losses. They don't care if the whole world burns, they'll take everything with them.
Posted by: motorlsug | Aug 14 2024 16:09 utc | 44
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With all the pointed articles and conservative news sites, if you're paying attention, one can't help but notice a trend of almost make-believe non-reality to all that's happening in our geopolitical world. I have seen many reports and astute comments that point to a Kabuki Theatre moment when it comes to WW3. The danger is very real to be sure but from certain clues we see from curious events and their ramifications it looks/appears that everybody is in on the "joke" but us! The less than serious rocket attack by Iran last spring on Israel to the "whateverthehellthatwas" Progozin march on Russia to Trumps goofy non-assassination attempt. It seems like we are the ones that are being set up or led by the nose to a certain scenario meanwhile the masses are being killed left and right to reduce the population with the wars or the vaxx or the toxic chemtrails.
There's a big bullseye on our back but those trying to see what's behind the curtain are attacked and driven to ruin for just pointing out what is happening to us.
Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 14 2024 16:13 utc | 45
It may be the most efficient Psyop in history, IMO. Israhell is loosing a billion US$ every day of the Resistance embargo plus as many Zionazis as can escape through Jordan. Not to mention every day that passes very likely sees new Russian weapons emplaced and aimed at the Zios. It would seem very inefficient to not let that run its course. THEN, I would take out a couple of those giant billion dollar oil rigs just off the coast. After giving the workers a minute or two to jump overboard, of course. The Resistance are after all, the good guys. I saw all this coming decades ago. I just happy to see the likely destruction of the apartheid state in my lifetime.
Posted by: ralph conner | Aug 14 2024 16:15 utc | 46
Watching American fearmongering about Iran is comic, but it is so ingrained that everyone believes it here without question. The funniest aspect to me is that Iran is targeting Trump with a series of amateur assassins. The idea that Iran blames the assassination of Suleiman on Trump personally, and not the US government as a whole, is absurd. It is such an inward view by Americans that every election means a complete fresh start and nothing from the past remains.
Posted by: Bob | Aug 14 2024 16:15 utc | 47
ThirdWorldDude | Aug 14 2024 15:45 utc | 38
Love the satire/sarcasm dude. The threat of endless mountains of debt is the real danger, they say that the biggest killer of powerful civilizations has always been...Compound Interest.
Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 14 2024 16:16 utc | 48
Thanks B, glad you're back (was worrying because the other thread is a tad long and had been kursked by trolls, still I hoped that you had just taken some days off and glad it was likely that)
So the US has joined UK+EU on pressuring Iran and, hopefully, with the same result.
I still fear that the main threat will be using any kinetic meaningful attack as a cover for a false flag to seriously damage the al aqsa mosque.
As for the assassination talk, I think they're trying to reboot the "Iran tried bumping off Trump" diversion.
As for palestine peace talks, can't see what guarantees could be given that would allow it to accept it as "blood money" for the assassination (and don't think israel would accept anyway)
As for what Iran should do? They should know best, let's see.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2024 16:17 utc | 49
ThirdWorldDude | Aug 14 2024 15:45 utc | 38
One BIG reason why Gold is almost at 2500 dollars usd is because their currency has lost so much purchasing power it's off the charts! Our "money" is worth/valued at 97% less than it was in 1913...
Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 14 2024 16:18 utc | 50
motorlsug | Aug 14 2024 16:09 utc | 44
Nukes will NEVER be initiated by any Western govt or vassal state cuz the tiny hats that own and control over half the entire world still need to rake in more assets, more wealth and more resources before they're done. So no shitting in their backyard while the process of acquiring EVERYTHING is still ongoing.
Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 14 2024 16:24 utc | 51
Why would the West feel the need to raise the level of hysterical (and patently false) accusations against Iran and Russia to the current level? Why have both Trump and Harris blamed supposed hacks of their campaigns on Iran? Surely it would be more credible, and make more electoral sense, to blame them on your political opponents?
This makes no political sense. Recent elections in France and Britain show that pro-Palestinian and pro-Russian forces, though capable of mounting impressive popular demonstrations, are completely impotent politically.
The only explanation I can think of is that the Establishment thinks a war against Iran and/or Russia is inevitable, and they are preparing public opinion for military conscription and the economic hardship inevitable in a real war. This would explain the savage crackdown on popular support for Palestine on US campuses (remembering the Vietnam experience) and the much softer treatment of Moslem violent resistance to far right attacks in the UK (to avoid Moslem - mainly Pakistani - opposition to war on Iran.)
If this is true, the least that can be said is that it's not working. Anti-Moslem sentiment may be rising in the UK, but it's directed almost wholly at immigrants, who are not Iranian.
Posted by: geoff chambers | Aug 14 2024 16:27 utc | 52
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 15:48 utc | 39Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 14 2024 16:16 utc | 48
Those whom God wishes to destroy, he first deprives of reason, and makes them believe that (((they))) themselves are God-like, even superior against the Laws of Nature!
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Aug 14 2024 16:30 utc | 53
Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 14 2024 16:18 utc | 50
Inflation is a feature, not a bug in the fiat Ponzi scheme.
Also, gold is currently at 2500 bucks because it's price fixing mechanism is a sui generis Ponzi within the greater fiat Ponzi. Guess what would happen if "someone" found out that there isn't enough physical Au to cover for 1/100th of the "paper gold" that is being traded daily! :)
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Aug 14 2024 16:40 utc | 54
Psychological warfare is a two way street; well maybe in this case a three way street. The empire tries to scare Iran by moving equipment, in turn Iran delays the attack causing trauma to the entity – sweet revenge in and of itself.
“we Israelis feel like the hapless, helpless playthings of other, more powerful forces.”
The link for the above quote seems to be a self-referencing link, but anyway, boohoohoo, we are hapless playthings, boohoo; we only have an empire in our pocket. Boohoo. We'll break all conventions, all laws – boohoo.
Ugh, that had to write that, it hurts.
In the meantime, lack of action, here is some food talk, which makes me hungry for Persian gaz nougat. Originating in Isfahan, It is made from pistachio, almond kernels, rose-water, egg whites and sap from Persian manna. Mmm, mmm.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 14 2024 16:44 utc | 55
Not sure if this should be on this thread or the Palestine one (and Erdogan is not known for his reliability but...)
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said that his country will seek to hold Israel accountable for the crimes it has committed in the Gaza Strip and will not allow it to "set the region on fire."
"We will oppose Israel's attempts to set the region on fire. Israel, which is committing genocide [in Gaza], will be held accountable," Erdogan said at a ceremony marking the 2001 founding of the ruling Justice and Development Party that he heads.
Erdogan also said that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will address the Turkish parliament on Thursday. The republic's parliament will have an emergency meeting on that day in support of Palestine. "Abbas will be our guest today, while tomorrow he will address the parliament. He will announce to the whole world Palestine's struggle for freedom. We will show the whole world that Abbas has the same right to speak in our parliament as [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu has in the United States," the Turkish president said.
Turkish authorities condemned Netanyahu's speech to the US Congress on July 24 and invited Abbas to address the local parliament on August 15.
Abbas arrives in Turkey on Wednesday evening for a two-day visit and will meet Erdogan on the same day.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2024 16:47 utc | 56
The US always tried to prevent the targeted people/country from defending itself, while it gives itself and its proxies support to commit any war crime it wants.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 14 2024 16:49 utc | 57
I continue to see what our world is going through as a civilization war about public/private finance in a MAD world. It is playing out in proxy wars all over the globe but all the parts are connected.
I am beginning to think that what is coming will be a checkmate of sorts by the axis of resistance. It will be a military event that will involve China/Russia/NK/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Yemen/Hezbollah and others like maybe Turkey and will cripple empire military significantly.
The quest is what sort of response to the slap down will empire make. I believe the choices will be surrender or go MAD.
I really don't know which way it will go but am glad to see the God Of Mammon cult brought to heel or extinction for all of us failed humans. Fuck the patriarchal barbarians!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 14 2024 16:51 utc | 58
Iran has deterrent dominance over the US.
They have (probably for 30 or 40 years) the ability and if pushed the motive to shutter 20% of the world crude exports and a similar large percent of liquid natural gas exports through the Hormuz Straits.
None of that matters to Israel!
Posted by: paddy | Aug 14 2024 16:51 utc | 59
"It's informal CIA spokesman David Ignatius claims today that Iran is plotting to kill U.S. politicians:"
Which tells me the deep state is planning/threatening to assassinate...someone, should he or she get any ideas of his or her own instead of following orders..
"In the meantime, lack of action, here is some food talk, which makes me hungry for Persian gaz nougat. Originating in Isfahan, It is made from pistachio, almond kernels, rose-water, egg whites and sap from Persian manna. Mmm, mmm.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 14 2024 16:44 utc | 55"
Mmmm ... Sounds yummy
Posted by: Mary | Aug 14 2024 16:54 utc | 60
@56.
The Turks are all smoke and mirrors as long as they support ISIS-lite in Idlib, keep USAF at Adana, and they don't heat Cyprus up over by the UK air bases.
IOW stop serving the CIA agenda!
Posted by: paddy | Aug 14 2024 16:55 utc | 61
@52
It is all deflection.
Iran, Russia, etc have no impact on the crooked ballots and the fraudulent counting.
No one outside the counting room could achieve 81 million count for in the basement genocide Joe now
Posted by: paddy | Aug 14 2024 17:00 utc | 62
Iran and the Axis of Resistance are preparing multiple layered defenses for the anticipated onslaught, regardless of the intended severity of their retaliation, and this requires extensive coordination. My guess is US bases in Syria will be among the initial targets. Following Shoigu's consultation for Russia's infusion of AD systems and other potential cover, Iran and its allies will be better shielded from the worst aggression that may come from the Mad Dog Zionists and their US warmonger supporters.
Posted by: norecovery | Aug 14 2024 17:03 utc | 63
Therefore the most logical approach for Iran is to keep the psyop going as long as possible while preparing for the inevitable 'preemptive retaliation'.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 14 2024 15:19 utc | 19
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Makes sense.
I have been mulling over the "logically" inexplicable notion that Israel gets to provoke/attack, but Iran does not get to retaliate.
FWIW my conclusion is that the psychological framework is analogous to that of parent-child. Parent punishes, child does not not get to retaliate for punishment because the child was already guilty of some infraction that led to the punishment.
In this case Israel is the "parent" with "natural authority" to punish the Iran "child." The child is already guilty . . . of existing, basically, but also of putatively aiding the resistance. Thus endless punishments are earned, but no retaliation is "allowed" by the "parent."
The Zionists "parental authority" to punish guilty child Iran comes of course from Yahweh.
This is the only way I can figure out why the US/UK/Israel don't see the absurdity of their attempts to "forbid" and determine appropriateness level of retaliation for Israel's blatant provocations, and offenses against numerous national and international norms.
The only reason this absurd "parent" role can succeed, for a while, or appear to succeed, is because these "parents" wield nukes.
Eventually, though, Iran must strike, and strike hard---otherwise it will be seen by peers and ROW as accepting a "child" (non-sovereign) position in the power hierarchy. I like Arch's scenario.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 14 2024 17:07 utc | 64
Arch Bungle@1519
Just got a flash here. If the Iranians have a deep perspective on American culture, the logical timing for their retaliation would be on Labor Day Weekend. Such timing would place the hidden forces "guiding" the $enile One's regime in quite a pickle. Why? Labor Day weekend is the last blast of vacation time, particularly in the Di$trict, where weather is likely to once again be hot and sticky...and virtually no major governmental business going on. Most of the "Indians" would be out of town, while some of the Chiefs will need to stick to their routines...but hardly all of them.
Such timing would drag out the neurotic and virtually existential fears of the Zionist Entity into hyperspace.
That timing would be little more than 3 weeks away...but a relative eternity for the primary perps in Tel Aviv and Occupied West Jerusalem. Relief from the accumulating tension would migrate into unmitigated bellicosity...all at the same time as both military and economic infrastructural degradation will require significant attention. Weeping women and frightened "Chosen" kiddies would take their tolls on the national zeitgeist.
Quite possibly, my prediction would not develop within that timeline. But it does make sense on a psycho-political and military basis. No doubt that both the Izzies and their partners in crime will have contingency plans...but "the best-laid plans..."
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:07 utc | 65
@ paddy | Aug 14 2024 16:55 utc | 61
…and last I checked, Turkey was still sending supplies to “Israel” — including fossil fuel.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 14 2024 17:08 utc | 66
ZT@1525
Appears that you believe that the puppet regime in the Di$trict of Corruption actually possess full agency. Not even the Agency has that ultimate decision empowerment. Both the regime and their primary attack-dog receive their orders from higher up the control-mechanism's scrotum-pole.
Man, you need to do some deep research into one helluva lot of alternative internet sites. Over time you should be able to discern which ones are for real and which just blowing smoke and bloviating.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:12 utc | 67
China/Russia/NK/Iran/Iraq/Syria/Yemen/Lebanon/Palestine
The Resistance to Imperialist Occupied Territories (RIOT) for short.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 14 2024 16:51 utc | 58
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 14 2024 17:13 utc | 68
Result of visa applications to Oz.gov for refugees from Jewrael Oct 7 to Aug 14:
Palestinians = 10,033 requests.
7,111 rejected.
2,922 granted.
Jews = 8,981 requests.
233 rejected.
8748 granted.
Right Wing Loonie opposition leader, Peter Dutton, demands that all Pal applications to Oz be rejected.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 14 2024 17:15 utc | 69
Grey Cloud@1540
Agreed. The R.U. administration has made it clear that they have Iran's back. Proof of the pudding are the massive airlifts of such advanced toys as S400 missiles; advanced E.W. weaponry and the very latest in early detection radar.
Quite possible that a significant chunk of Jordanian desert will attain a glass surface, due to the interception of Izzy nukes. Should such a scenario play out...the City of London controlled Hashemite "Kingdom" of Jordan would cease to exist due to a monster uprising by its Palestinian majority.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:20 utc | 70
Posted by: bisfugged | Aug 14 2024 16:13 utc | 45Agreed it was a very constrained reaction but the picture of Iranian drones slowly cruising over Knesset at night: that's 100% effective. link to allisraelnews (pro-Israel news outlet)The less than serious rocket attack by Iran last spring on Israel
Posted by: Keme | Aug 14 2024 15:43 utc | 36Yes. A fact that's certainly acknowledged all of the world but not in the headquarters of the West. The "letter" by Macron & Starmer & Scholz calling for more Iran restraint is so laughable. (None of these countries found itself able to condemn the murder of Ismael Haniyeh.)The Islamic Republic of Iran has shown more restraint against its enemies than any other nation.
This is so often seen as a weakness, same with Russia BTW. In most situations, including this one IMO, it is a clear sign of strength. I believe that people confuse "not being provoked" with "being pushed around".
Rather than strike Israel, Iran would better inspire fear in Israel if it could shoot down Israeli fighter jets attacking Iran.Perhaps but like with recommendations to the Russian MOD, I trust that Tehran have a good grasp on the matter. It's certainly not that the Iranians are soft or wimpy: the bloody war against Iraq (which Iran fought without support while USA and USSR were backing Saddam Hussein) must be in people's memories.
Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2024 17:21 utc | 71
The draft agreement on a comprehensive strategic partnership between Iran and Russia will be signed in the near future.https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/11559The document is currently under consideration by both countries.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2024 17:22 utc | 72
Donbass @32, I heard that the China Iran railway route is open. It's hard to speculate on exactly what would happen.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Aug 14 2024 17:26 utc | 73
In response to
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Also, gold is currently at 2500 bucks because it's price fixing mechanism is a sui generis Ponzi within the greater fiat Ponzi. Guess what would happen if "someone" found out that there isn't enough physical Au to cover for 1/100th of the "paper gold" that is being traded daily! :)
Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Aug 14 2024 16:40 utc | 54
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Nice to read such clarity of understanding from anywhere in our world. When the music stops, its going to be really ugly for a bit I think. Adjustment to reality for the West from the Hollywood house of cards and debt crazy will be interesting. I expect the axis of resistance has some ideas on how to unwind the financial fiction into some sort of just reset but the focus now is on stopping the patriarchal barbaristic bully.
I hope we are watching the watershed moment in humanities evolution where the excesses of patriarchy and barbarism are eliminated and a more sharing, civil and peace multipolar world results.
The future is all around us, just not evenly distributed.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 14 2024 17:27 utc | 74
— 🇵🇸/🇮🇷 NEW: Iran has been asked to send a delegation to tomorrow's ceasefire negotiations in Doha – Iran reportedly declined, saying it 'does not acknowledge or speak to representatives of the Zionists'https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/8464
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2024 17:31 utc | 75
Bisfugged@1618
Buttressing your reminder that inflation since 1913 is one simple fact. Prior to that takeover of the U.$. money supply by the conspirators on behalf of the Zillionaires...the price for first-class postage here in the Ruptured Republic was two cents. Yeah, for the cost of two pennies, you could send a letter anywhere in the land. Cost for mailing a postcard...ONE penny.
There are many fake measures of inflationary trajectory...the most untruthful would be the so-called "Consumer Price Index". That one is heavily weighted to luxury goods and costly items, conveniently overlooking the fact that the bottom ends of the working class, along with those with fixed (actually broken) incomes; simply cannot afford much beyond the most elementary basics...and even the shelter element of the"food, clothing and shelter" equation is now beyond the hopes of those living on the streets and beyond the dreams of likely a solid 80% of the Gen Z's, as well as likely half of the "Y"s. Many of both the younger generations are living in mommy and daddy's basements...or if from more fortunate circumstances, in one of their childhood bedrooms.
So you wanna keep up with the price of 1st Class postage? Better keep your eyes and ears open, because it now seems to jump higher and higher every three months or so, in tune with yet another trillion dollar space-mission beyond the Ionosphere.
Skyrocketing national indebetedment is a tax on everybody...except for those on the higher rungs of the "investor class".
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:38 utc | 76
3rdWorldDude@1640
Ah yes, that "paper gold". P.T. Barnum, around a century and a half ago, famously remarked that there is "a sucker born every minute".
Funny how historically ignorant is the average Murrikkkan. Federal D. Roosevelt, once in office, seized all the small gold stashes in the country at twenty fed notes per ounce. Weeks later, he upped their value to $30/oz. Nice racketing if you can get by with it. Safe-Deposit boxes were the first stashes raided.
Today there are numerous "holding" facilities for your precious hordes of gold...advertising on alternative media endlessly, particularly on "patriotic" and "Christian" sites. Devout believers and boobtoob noose addicts appear to be the easiest marks for the predatorial class.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:46 utc | 77
My guess is US bases in Syria will be among the initial targets.
Posted by: norecovery | Aug 14 2024 17:03 utc | 63
norecovery, I don't think this is a correct reading. This is fight between the entity and Iran. Any attack on these bases would automatically draw the empire into the fight. The initial attack will be on the entity. The empire has said they it will help the entity defend itself against an attack, not attack Iran in response. Any attack by the empire on Iran, well, that's game on. Hold your ankles, and kiss your arse goodbye, as it were.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 14 2024 17:48 utc | 78
the most untruthful would be the so-called "Consumer Price Index". That one is heavily weighted to luxury goods and costly items
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And don’t forget the “hedonic quality adjustments”!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 14 2024 17:52 utc | 79
Quite possible that a significant chunk of Jordanian desert will attain a glass surface, due to the interception of Izzy nukes. Should such a scenario play out...the City of London controlled Hashemite "Kingdom" of Jordan would cease to exist due to a monster uprising by its Palestinian majority.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:20 utc | 70
Buttressing your reminder that inflation since 1913 is one simple fact. Prior to that takeover of the U.$. money supply by the conspirators on behalf of the Zillionaires...the price for first-class postage here in the Ruptured Republic was two cents. Yeah, for the cost of two pennies, you could send a letter anywhere in the land. Cost for mailing a postcard...ONE penny.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:38 utc | 76
Intercepted nukes don't go bang, vitrify anything. Some litter but that's all.
As for inflation, basically prices of what is worth having double every 10/11 years
First noticed seeing absurd prices on military equipment but then saw that a boeing 747 was an excellent indicator for almost half a century.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2024 17:53 utc | 80
Newbie@1647
Abbas is comfortably ensconced within the Izzies' back pocket. Essentially, his role on the West Bank is that of a Quisling puppet for the Zioni$t entity.
Erdogan spouts deep and heavy rhetoric to keep his Islamist supporters quiescent. Meanwhile, his shipments of stolen (by the U.$) Syrian oil to the Yidistanis refineries in Haifa. The Iranians, the Hezbollah and the rest of the Resistance forces are quite aware of that perfidy and that impels, almost compels, all of the above to target all that stolen oil.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:53 utc | 81
Paddy@1651
True. The Izzies may not give a fat, furry, fiddler's fart about oil shipments getting cut off by Iran's Straits of Hormuz. What does shiver their timbers is that the relatively small forces the U.$ have in their occupation of Syrian oilfields would face instant erasure should the SHTF scenario play out in the Muddle East.
All that stolen oil gets trans-shipped to the greedy Erdogan clan and further trans-shipped to the Izzy refineries in Haifa
With their oil supply suddenly zeroed-out, the Izzy war machine will come to a grinding halt.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 18:00 utc | 82
HoarseWhisperer@1715
Wondering about the average I.Q. Down Under.
If you Aussies had not allowed your outsider controlled regime in Canberra to impose onerous gun-control measures (following a false flag incident) a bunch of you folks would have had the means to eliminate your puppet regime in Canberra...like we Yanks did in 1775 against the "legitimate" British government.
First measure by a revolutionary government of and by the Australian people would be to shitcan Dominion status and declare The Republic of Australia. Also, do please remove the Bank$ters in Sydney, et al and set up your own financial apparatus, one totally accountable to the good people of Australia. That way, the moneyed elite would not be easily enabled to buy off the office-holders in the people's government.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 18:10 utc | 83
Newbie@1647
Abbas is comfortably ensconced within the Izzies' back pocket. Essentially, his role on the West Bank is that of a Quisling puppet for the Zioni$t entity.
Erdogan spouts deep and heavy rhetoric to keep his Islamist supporters quiescent. Meanwhile, his shipments of stolen (by the U.$) Syrian oil to the Yidistanis refineries in Haifa. The Iranians, the Hezbollah and the rest of the Resistance forces are quite aware of that perfidy and that impels, almost compels, all of the above to target all that stolen oil.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 17:53 utc | 81
I mentioned in the first line that Erdogan is less than reliable, and yes, Abbas is a Kapo (probably got an old timer Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei to explain what was expected from him)
Now, circumstances change and though certain people cannot be redeemed, they can often change sides as they see their benefactor falling from grace. We can only hope.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2024 18:16 utc | 84
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
This is what the west wants to teach ya
Keep off our green green grass
Or we’m a kick y’all’s ass
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
Pull up a ringside seat, yeah
We want you to hear all the crying
We want you to see all the dying
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
Sit down and listen to teacher
Trust not your ears or your eyes
Trust in our beautiful lies
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
We’ve always used this procedure
Learn you what’s wrong and what’s right
In the glare of our big gas light
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
This is just rinse and repeat yeah
Korea Iraq Vietnam
Who’s our next Passover lamb?
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
This is how we’re gonna beat ya
Fight us with sword or with pen
We’ll wear you down in the end
Gaza’s not a bug but a feature
You not like us? We delete ya
Agent Smith’s hand in your chest
Now you’re a Smith like the rest
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 14 2024 18:26 utc | 85
American KABUKI…
America will not attack Iran. America will limit its intervention to firing at missiles and drones… and it will be mostly ineffective. Indeed, Iran will use more advanced weapons than on April 13. These more advanced missiles will not be easily intercepted. Most will hit their targets.
About the targets, Iran is not seeking to kill civilians. Iran will hit military and economic targets. Besides well known military bases, Iran could hit Haifa’s petrochemical infrastructure which would burn for days and deprive Israel of lots of energy. ALSO, Israel depends upon 5 desalination plants for 50% of its drinking water. Damaging or destroying those plants would bring Israel to its knees and would take months or years to fix. Economically, Israel would cease to function as a state. The 2-3 million dual citizens would leave permanently.
Already, israel is nearing collapse with 46,000 business bankruptcies, no tourism, the cancellation of a $25 billion Intel facility, etc.
The end is near for Israel and it may cause the Zionists to use nukes… Of so, israel will disappear permanently, the Holocaust myth will be deleted, AND Pharisees will be targeted everywhere for years.
Posted by: Liberator | Aug 14 2024 18:41 utc | 86
Buttressing your reminder that inflation since 1913 is one simple fact. Prior to that takeover of the U.$. money supply by the conspirators on behalf of the Zillionaires...the price for first-class postage here in the Ruptured Republic was two cents. Yeah, for the cost of two pennies, you could send a letter anywhere in the land. Cost for mailing a postcard...ONE penny.
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When I was a child the cost to send a letter was 3 cents.
According to the Christian Science Monitor,
"In 1851 Congress wanted to make the mail service more affordable. So it reduced the cost of a first-class stamp from 5 cents to 3 cents. For the next 107 years, the price remained about the same."
It was a shock when it went up to 4 c/ in August 1958.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 14 2024 18:44 utc | 87
Israel's determination to get itself destroyed is really a remarkable psychological case study.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Aug 14 2024 18:49 utc | 88
Tobias Cole 8
There are two Socialisms and two Capitalisms, just as there are two Wests and two Easts depending on which Pole is magnetic North at any particular moment.
US Socialism is when the State controls everything and a tiny , unelected elite abuses everybody else.
Russian Socialism is when the State cobtrols everything and within a Democratic power structure shares out resources in a measured way for the population's benefit.
And the opposite.
Right now Europe is a US Socialism model. Resources are blown up and political freedom doesn't exist while US operates the strings of war from afar.
What you call Socialism is what we call Nazi Jackboot.
Alas! Poor Yorick.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 14 2024 18:52 utc | 89
It sure looks like Iran is running a mighty psy-op, keeping Israel on tenterhooks. This effect is there, but the sad irony is: it's not of Iran's making. It's merely happenstance. The reality is, Iran is currently somewhat incapacitated, politically. They're going through a government transition. Remember, they lost a president in May, then had to hold elections, and now the new president is settling in. Not without difficulties, as there are serious disagreements about the cabinet make-up (and hence, policies). For example, for some unimaginable reason smug dimwit Mohammad Javad Zarif (the former Foreign Minister who was instrumental for the JCPOA) was to be "Vice President of Iran for Strategic Affairs", plus "Head of Center for Strategic Studies". He was even appointed as such, but quit after only 10 days. For a political animal very much in love with himself to quit those positions and instead prefer to sink back into obscurity, there must be some serious divergency among the executive of Iran. So Masoud Pezeshkian and his team and allies have to sort themselves out before they can call any shots. It may be some more weeks before anything happens.
Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 14 2024 18:54 utc | 90
Two headlines in today's NYT (as memory serves):
1. Israel increases demands for ceasefire deal
2. Democrats seek to ease anger over Gaza policy.
BTW the headlines generated by an internet search for "NYT today's front page" never seem to match what I see on the print edition at the supermarket . . .
Posted by: Jane | Aug 14 2024 18:54 utc | 91
Posted by: Liberator | Aug 14 2024 18:41 utc | 86
America will not attack Iran. America will limit its intervention to firing at missiles and drones… and it will be mostly ineffective. Indeed, Iran will use more advanced weapons than on April 13. These more advanced missiles will not be easily intercepted. Most will hit their targets. ..
"Will hit "their" targets .. What targets as Haifa, TelAviv or what else ?
I doubt, most would fail due to US-Reconn + Counter measures. Hamaws+Hezb are so WEAK today!
Kept that, finally to comment here on MoA ?
Listen:
The only way to get any 'Immediate responses' by IRAN and/or its allies (who is it?)) everyone alike, would be to copy/re-animate the Israel's US-like "strategy" how to assasinate/kill possible new negotionating willing persons.
That's all to finish that discussions of UN/UNESCO etc commands.
MethanYahoo is a "FREE" man wolking around the whole world, without being detained by anyone (protected by ICC mafia?).
So, dear real MoAs, keep probably being desperate with Your mostly good comments above here - and pls. let the so-called trolls behind You ..
Thanks for reading - bye..
(same is wished and then being validated on other forums polluted by so-called trolls)
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Posted by: spare_truth_01 | Aug 14 2024 19:06 utc | 92
Iran uses this time to fine-tune air defences, fine-tune cooperation with it's allies. Plus as time goes by Israel is simply bound to make a mistake. It is not a matter of they just might make a dumb mistake, they are insane and will most definitely damage themselves and their position.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 14 2024 19:07 utc | 93
This latest "news" of supposed assassination attempts is to be cobbled together with the Trump charges of Iran hacking him, which, along with other sundry propaganda efforts, are meant to condition the U.S. populace for war with Iran. This is a war drive against Iran, and the clique inside the Pentagon and State Dept and CIA that want this confrontation are working daily to make it a reality. But first, given the scale of what this war would portend, they must prepare the population accordingly. These are extremely dangerous times, as it will continue to be so long as the U.S. warmongers have state power and the means and ability to conduct wars of conquest and genocide.
Posted by: paddy | Aug 14 2024 16:55 utc | 61
Incerlik is open, but they don’t have the Empire isn’t using it as a major launching point for military operations anymore as gauged by local flight activity observed by locals. This has changed under Erdogan. But, He is a street hustler and doesn’t mind pocketing shekels from oil.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Aug 14 2024 19:16 utc | 95
Tweet:
A major cyberattack has targeted the Central Bank of Iran (CBI) and several other banks, leading to widespread disruptions in the country’s banking system, @IranIntl has learned.
Initial assessments indicate this could be one of the largest cyberattacks ever against Iranian state infrastructure.
Israeli article:
Massive cyberattack rocks Central Bank of Iran, computer system paralyzed - report
According to reports, all the computer systems of the banks in Iran were paralyzed following the cyber attack.
AUGUST 14, 2024 16:56
Updated: AUGUST 14, 2024 19:08
The Central Bank of Iran (CBI) and other banks were targeted on Wednesday as part of a significant cyber attack that led to widespread disruptions in the country's banking system, Iran International reported.
According to reports, all the computer systems of the banks in Iran were paralyzed following the cyber attack. Initial estimates indicated that this could be one of the largest-ever cyberattacks against Iranian state infrastructure.
The cyber attack is most likely a signal from the Western countries to Iran, that is, conveying a message that demonstrates how Iran can be harmed.
The last cyber attack carried out against Iranian institutions took place last December when a significant part of the gas stations in the country were damaged as part of a cyber attack, which the Iranians attributed to Israel and the US.
Israeli media later reported that a paper had been stuck onto ATM machines in Iran, which read, "Dear customers, it is impossible to withdraw money from this ATM. This is because all of Iran's national budget and resources have been allocated to the wars and the corrupt religious leaders of the Islamic Republic regime. "We are very sorry."
According to Iran International later on Wednesday, data was stolen during the attack.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-814715
Posted by: teri | Aug 14 2024 19:17 utc | 96
re: aristodemos | Aug 14 2024 18:10 utc | 83 et al
Formerly I appreciated your comments but after today's lot, I'll not take them too seriously.
Posted by: Ново З | Aug 14 2024 19:18 utc | 97
The warmongers will rule until there is an uprising to overthrow them. Keep on 'voting' sheeple and keep reaping the same harvest.
Posted by: RO | Aug 14 2024 19:18 utc | 98
Maybe the delay in Iran retaliating is to allow Russia/Iran to distribute "ship killer" missiles and manpads to all the regions folks happy to use them against Western hardware?
All kinds of very juicy targets in the region.
I wonder what happens when the US loses an aircraft carrier. Do they withdraw or stick around to lose another one?
Posted by: saner | Aug 14 2024 19:18 utc | 99
The threat is more powerfull than the execution.
Chess saying.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 14 2024 19:20 utc | 100
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More useful to bomb Bet Shemesh or any other religious crazy/settler town than left wing Tel Avivniks
Posted by: Polli | Aug 14 2024 14:30 utc | 1