Ukraine's Air Defense Success Numbers Are Likely Fake
Whenever the Russian forces conduct mass missiles strikes against Ukraine the Ukrainian air defense troops claim that the shot down a lot of them, often the majority.
After yesterday's wave of strikes which hit Ukrainian energy infrastructure Ukrainian media repeated such claims:
Russia's largest attack: Ukraine's defence forces destroy over 200 out of 236 Russian missiles and drones - Ukrainska Pravda
Russia launched 236 aerial weapons on Ukraine on Monday, 26 August. Ukraine's air defence downed 102 missiles and 99 attack drones.Source: Lieutenant General Mykola Oleshchuk, Commander of Ukraine’s Air Force, on social media.
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All available weapons and equipment were used to repel the air attack: aircraft, anti-aircraft missile troops of the Air Force, mobile fire groups of the Ukrainian defence forces, and electronic warfare units. A total of 201 air targets were shot down in the air combat: 102 missiles and 99 attack UAVs:
- 1 Kh-47M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missile;
- 1 Iskander-M/KN-23 ballistic missile;
- 1 Kh-22 cruise missile;
- 99 Kh-101, Kalibr cruise missiles, and Kh-59/69 guided missiles;
- 99 Shahed-131/136 attack UAVs.
This adds up to a claimed success rate of 80.3% against missiles and 90.8% against drones.
These numbers are fantasy.
At the same time the Ukrainian government walks around hat in hand to collect money for more air defense systems. If the historically high success rates were real there would be no need to ask for more systems.
That all does not sum up. (There are additional reasons to doubt these claims.)
Just a week ago the Ukrainian commander-in-chief General Syrski had published more realistic numbers.
Commander-in-Chief of Armed Forces reveals how many military facilities in Ukraine were hit by Russian missiles - Ukrainska Pravda
Oleksandr Syrskyi, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, said that since 24 February 2022, Russian missiles and drones have hit 11,879 facilities in Ukraine. Most of them are civilian facilities (6,203), and the rest are military (5,676).Source: Syrskyi, during his report at the Congress of Local and Regional Authorities, Defence Express reports.
Details: The Commander-in-Chief also specified the number of missiles and drones the Russians used against Ukraine, and how many of them were shot down.
Syrskyi said that the Russians used 9,590 missiles and 13,997 drones to attack Ukraine, of which 2,429 missiles and 5,972 drones were shot down.
(The original Defence Express report is here.)
These more realistic, but likely still way too high numbers add up to a success rate of 25.3% against missiles and 42.6% against drones.
According to Syrski 15.186 Russia missiles and drone passed through the Ukrainian air defenses to then damage 11.879 facilities in Ukraine. But what about damage created by air defense missiles which often miss to then come down to hit this or that?
General Oleshchuk should be asked why his claimed success numbers differ from those his boss has presented. He should also be asked how much damage his troops create with the use of their air defense systems.
Posted by b on August 27, 2024 at 13:40 UTC | Permalink
next page »It took so-called-ukraine's air force and government two months to start coordinating air defense numbers after the Russian's Autumn 2022 air campaign started. The initial waves of governor and air defense spokesperson reports contradicted each other on preschool algebra levels.
According to their own reports, so-called-ukraine has revealed existence of Russian Air Force never-before-imagined magical missiles that could hit multiple targets hundreds of kilometers apart from each other at the same time. Those reported numbers were never questioned by Western MSM of course.
Russian Minister of Defense much later casually mentioned that AFU commonly reports shoot down of more missiles and drones that RFAF launch. I see no logical reason to doubt the claim too much.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2024 13:54 utc | 2
Some people complained that "slow", "slow", but we are seeing some signals of a major shift in the situation in the near future.
If the desperate attack on Kursk was a gamble by the cornered Ukrainian side, Russia's concentrate attack on energy infrastructure seems to indicate a also some change of heart on the Russian side.
So there was some kind of ‘decisive action’on both sides.
The battle lines will move significantly in the coming months. I think.
For those who were frustrated by the slowness of the SMO, the sights have finally arrived. (I don't mind slow grind though.)
Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 27 2024 14:01 utc | 3
Don't underestimate Ukrainians.
They can shoot down a military jet with a hunting rifle.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 14:03 utc | 4
That Defence Express report is wrong and/or Syrski is lying. Russia has no Tochka-U missiles (the last were decommissioned in 2018 iirc) and doesn't use S300 for attacks.
Posted by: marcel | Aug 27 2024 14:04 utc | 5
RUSSIA and UKRAINE – a pre-modern history. My thought is that if you are familiar with the origin and evolution of these societies, you will not be surprised by today’s result. Of course, there is no NATO in premodern history, but Western Europe is fully explained, and thus it becomes clear.
Yesterday I highlighted a chapter on the origins of the Muslim super ethnos. Today I have uploaded a fascinating chapter on the beginning of the Jewish and Christian formations and the interaction between them, plus the development of the Bible, and ending with Khazaria. It is from “Ancient RUS and the Great Steppe”, by author Lev Gumilev. This book I am uploading now on my Substack, one chapter at a time.
https://library4conciliation.substack.com/p/5-ancient-rus-and-the-great-steppe
I have a free library that I curate on Substack, and that I publish to a couple times each week. It has always been serial publishing, one chapter, or about 1 hour's-worth of reading at a time, going on now for a year. There are many unique books about Russia already uploaded and of course Ukraine is a big part of it. The premise is that world collaboration comes from mutual understanding of our different cultures.
Therefore, it is not about current events, which I see as always casting blame according to the writer's cultural and ideological built-in bias. Cultural views are passed through history, so ancient and pre-modern history are my main subjects. Eurasia is our western cultural root. Also, there is much writing on ethnogenesis, (how are we different from each other).
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@ marcel | Aug 27 2024 14:04 utc | 5
AFU claims of Russian using S-200 and S-300 for ground strikes is almost certainty to cover their own asses from the damage and casualties their own air defense has caused all this time and just blame Russia for it through Western MSM. Some made good arguments how those missiles could be useful for RF even in ground mode conversions, but I'm ultimately unconvinced RFAF have been in need of it.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2024 14:09 utc | 7
Kiev lost all credibility with the “Ghost of Kiev” and other childish lies.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 27 2024 14:13 utc | 8
The Ukrainians are the same kind of reflexive liars as the Zionists in Occupied Palestine.
Their air defence numbers are as screwy as those the Israhelli Military Censor puts out.
Funny enough both countries are run by Zionists. Not sure if there's a connection there ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 27 2024 14:16 utc | 9
Oh dear, the command breakdown that is permeating through the Donbas and Kursk fronts has now reached Kiev. The 25-30% figure is realistic, meaning roughly 130-140 got through, which would tally with the evidence, so far. Either that or the Ukrainians are incredibly unlucky and all the surviving missiles had a 100%, 0m CEP strike average.
As they say, the sign of a pathological liar is that they lie when they don’t have to, the real interception rate was revealed last week, most Ukrainians know what’s been hit or not, why lie then?
Posted by: Milites | Aug 27 2024 14:20 utc | 10
The correct number what Ukraine could realistically achieve is probably around 20-25 % (colonel Trukhan stated his expert sources of air defense).
80% of missiles could be the best case situ, something RUAF could achieve (well, higher), where the trajectory is more-or-less known (not the case in Ukraine where missiles and drones can take rather long detours and approach from unexpected angles, with IRIS-T, Patriot or NASAMS systems then pointing in wrong direction).
Nato radar aircraft from Poland, Romania or Black Sea have tough time covering low flying missiles, let alone drones. Ukraine has to use their air defense radars to scan the low altitudes to see these missiles, which carries a high potential of RUAF discovering and hitting the radar. And there were reports of radars being struck among the attack few days ago.
Reportedly even Shahed or Geran drones flew to the Polish border unopposed.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 27 2024 14:24 utc | 11
@ Milites | Aug 27 2024 14:20 utc | 10
So-called-ukraine's population knows, Westerners don't. Opinions of internal population matters not, for it can not be expressed without a promise of harsh punishment. Westerners, however, are the only reason this war is still going.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2024 14:25 utc | 12
More posts from the War Porn Whores reveling in the blood lust from a very safe distance.
It became a SloMow because the Russians severely miscalculated. Boo! didn't work. The Ukies said 'boo, who, away and fuck yerself.'
Now we have entered the Britkrainian version of attrition, can Russia protect its sensitivity rear? Is there much left to blow up in 404? Juicy economic targets? Military? Still plenty in Russia.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 27 2024 14:26 utc | 13
Can one pretend to begin to imagine the relative cynicism that is currently sweeping throughout the vast majority of the still somewhat conscious amongst the population of Ukraine. Some have, we must admit, been so thoroughly psychologically corrupted that they want to believe in the copium.
When women are beating up press-gang recruiters, we can develop a realistic perspective on the attitudes of numerous Ukrainians...who are desperately yearning for rescue from the madness.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 27 2024 14:36 utc | 14
"Don't underestimate Ukrainians.
They can shoot down a military jet with a hunting rifle."
Ha ha, as they used to say about the South African police and army, "They are very good at shooting, but they can't count"!
And that is very true.!
Posted by: g wiltek | Aug 27 2024 14:39 utc | 15
Ukraine's Air Defense Success Numbers Are Likely Fake
I think that's a very charitable headline there B
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Aug 27 2024 14:52 utc | 16
The number of impacts--arrivals--registered by locals is what I go by, and they fill a long list with many arrivals. Plus, we look at the immediate damage done, in this case to Ukie energy system, which was immediately affected. After the several waves of attacks were over, there remained reports of BDA drones circling the central and eastern portions of Ukraine. Will Russia launch an immediate follow-up strike is now the question. Much of the Ukie electrified rail system was knocked out, and likely needs further degrading; same with the electrical power system. Also, the boasting of having neutralized the Black Sea Fleet was proven to be just that as many missiles were launched from that flotilla, but very few when the total possible is considered.
Meanwhile, the ATO is progressing as is the SMO. Putin reported rather conservative economic growth numbers yesterday--not quite 5% GDP growth over the first half of the year with inflation mostly under control and real wage growth over 10%. The more detailed reports weren't included in the Kremlin readout, which I found disappointing, http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/74935
Today, Putin talked with Modi who reported the results of his trip to Kiev and confirmed he'd attend the October BRICS Summit in Kazan.
Corruption and nepotism will cause big problems for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. People who don't know how to shoot are hiding from the front for money in mobile air defense groups▪️Ukrainian Armed Forces sniper training instructor P. Kashchuk criticized the work of mobile combat groups using a video that was distributed as a shot down cruise missile with a machine gun (later it turned out that the missile was shot down by air defense).
▪️He stated that signing up for service in these groups is a corruption scheme that helps to avoid being sent to the front lines.
➖"The video shows the very terrible work of one of the groups against the background of the shot down of a cruise missile by another air defense missile. Sanek, it seems, almost for the first time shot from that Browning, to which someone's brother-in-law slobbered some kind of sight. The frame was clearly not welded by volunteers for Sanek. But even if it were under it, then without some kind of support or butt there would be no sense anyway. But the image of active activity continues, society hoots at such videos, someone somewhere gets some kind of awards for reports,” Kashchuk said.▪️With regard to mobile groups, it is time to “make a difficult but responsible decision - at least distribute these thousands of pickups to the front, then machine guns, then return bribes to those who hid there from the war, and complete the formation of other units.”
➖“Or at least recruit not from those who pay more to “fight” near a house somewhere in the Frankivsk region, but, for example, from all sorts of MKPS members and “civilian instructors” who mercilessly kill 100 plates per second,” Kashchuk added.
➖He was supported by MP Maryana Bezugla: “I have been writing for a long time about this corruption scheme, which is covered up by the command of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24101
Posted by: Down South | Aug 27 2024 14:52 utc | 18
Experts cited by Western Media also point out that last nights' attack has cost Putin 1.2 Gazillion Euros, more than any other attack. Russia is one night of missile strikes away from bankruptcy and unconditional surrender to Wolodmyir Selensky and NATO-Secretary General Stoltenberg.
According to "experts". And Western Media.
Posted by: Marvin | Aug 27 2024 14:58 utc | 19
Of course it Ukrainian propaganda - propaganda to make it look as though the Neo-Nazi forces are holding their own when - it more than likely, that many Russian missile attack were successful.
Meanwhile the IAEA - has a warning in Kursk region - pity the same IAEA didn't bother too much about missile strikes on the ZNPP.
"Military action taking place in the vicinity of Russia’s Kursk nuclear power plant poses a risk of a “nuclear incident,” Rafael Grossi, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), told journalists on Tuesday."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 27 2024 15:12 utc | 20
positive suggestions at the bottom b... i doubt anyone will ask.. ripping the veneer off the propaganda is not the job of the media sluts of today... thanks for your post and to the other fine posters that grace moa!!
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 15:13 utc | 21
@ Marvin | Aug 27 2024 14:58 utc | 19
according to those same buffoons, russia had run out of missiles a long time ago!! something is wrong in their heads and it is conveyed in their propaganda!!
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 15:15 utc | 22
And suddenly my MSM feed is not inundating me with stories about Ukraine!
Posted by: Activist Potato | Aug 27 2024 15:20 utc | 23
Posted by: Marvin | Aug 27 2024 14:58 utc | 19
I bet those “Experts cited by Western Media” don’t dare discuss the impact of further energy grid destruction on Ukraine’s already dire economic outlook, nor the impact on Ukraine’s ability to service it’s international debt, beyond the existing defaulted bonds.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 15:23 utc | 24
I think, paying debts would not be a problem for Ukraine as EU nations have been more then willing to pay Ukro debts sinds 2022.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 27 2024 15:31 utc | 25
Z claims to have used F-16s to shoot down missiles. Can this be confirmed or is it another fake?
⚡️ JUST IN: We used F-16s to shoot down missiles during the last big attack - Zelenskyyhttps://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1828393818292449301
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2024 15:32 utc | 26
To begin to understand the potential looming consequences of British support of the Ukrainian project, have a listen to this interview on Vanessa Beeley's substack with Alex Krainer. (51 mins)
The war of the worlds - a conversation with Alex Krainer
https://beeley.substack.com/p/the-war-of-the-worlds-a-conversation
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Aug 27 2024 15:41 utc | 27
"Russia's concentrate attack on energy infrastructure seems to indicate a also some change of heart on the Russian side.
Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 27 2024 14:01 utc | 3"
Yesterday some Russian mil spokesperson said this onslaught is *not* the response to Kursk.
(Just last week, one analyst or other mentioned slowdown in strikes might mean saving for something big in works)
That tells me:
1. This was planned
2. If USUK intel had insight into the plan, that might be why they triggered Kursk when they did, pulling from front 1 day ahead)
3. Either way, Ukr aint seen nothing yet...
Posted by: Mary | Aug 27 2024 15:47 utc | 28
"They can shoot down a military jet with a hunting rifle."
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 14:03 utc | 4
I heard it was a beebee gun...
Posted by: TPaine | Aug 27 2024 15:57 utc | 29
slight OT - this is for peter au in particular.. others will want to read the transcript or watch the video..
The coming collapse of Britain
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 16:03 utc | 30
Z claims to have used F-16s to shoot down missiles. Can this be confirmed or is it another fake?
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2024 15:32 utc | 26
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It is readily believable that the F-16s were scrambled to lift them out of the target zones.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2024 16:10 utc | 31
Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2024 14:25 utc | 12
Seriously? I live in a country where someone is jailed for twenty months for shouting at a police dog, whilst thugs with machetes openly fight each other and the police look on. So, tell me, what are the UK population supposed to do? Most people are focused on ever-growing bills and worried about heating their homes this winter, not Ukraine. Though more and more are rejecting the official version and against sending more money.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 27 2024 16:10 utc | 32
Posted by: Librarian | Aug 27 2024 14:08 utc | 6
Thank you! I look forward to checking out your Substack. I like your premise.
World collaboration comes from mutual understanding of our different cultures.
Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 27 2024 16:10 utc | 33
Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2024 13:54 utc | 2
During gulf war 1 the US was claiming a high percentage of scuds being killed by the patriot system. The reality is they did not get a single intercept let alone kill on a scudu. During the Yemen Saudi conflict we finally get realistic intercept and kill numbers as the Saudi's were pissed. The PAC-2 could only hit a scud homolog under 20% of the time and failed to kill any(warhead was not disabled and still hit the target despite intercept. The PAX-3 missile got those numbers up to 40% intercept rate and 5% kill rate. That is with AWACS support, full NATO crews, local AWACS supported by a 6 ship cap.
Posted by: badjoke | Aug 27 2024 16:15 utc | 34
Yesterday some Russian mil spokesperson said this onslaught is *not* the response to Kursk.
Posted by: Mary | Aug 27 2024 15:47 utc | 28
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I believe that was Peskov, Putin's press secretary.
Everyone underestimates the Russians, it's beyond comical to me at this point.
As the expression goes, "Slow to saddle, fast to ride." People mistake the Russians' pace as confirmation of their "limited" capability.
When the Russians are full go, may God have mercy on their enemies.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 27 2024 16:16 utc | 35
ZH has a posting up with the title
Ukraine Might Be Gearing Up To Attack Or Cut Off Belarus' Southeastern City Of Gomel
the quote
The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry released a statement on Sunday warning about what it described as the “threat” posed by Belarus’ military buildup along the border, the motivations of which were analyzed here in early August. Belarusian President Lukashenko also drew attention last week to the whopping 120,000 Ukrainian troops that he claims were the first to deploy there. For reference, Belarus only has around 65,000 active soldiers, one-third of whom are stationed along the Ukrainian border.
Desperation flailing
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 27 2024 16:17 utc | 36
I could believe a 50% success rate of modern air defense systems against drones, especially with how expendable both sides treat them. Where the US has always returned its drones from missions, use them to as a transport platform for missile payloads, East European doctrine seems to be to just treat them like missiles.
In any case, it's sad that mainstream journalists dutifully report these numbers as if they're gospel. The Ukrainian state will lie through its teeth to protect its position in the war, and unfortunately journalists in the US and Europe seem to think of themselves as war propagandists who need to shore up morale on the home front. They're selling this war like used car salesmen trying to get a lemon off the lot. The enormous human cost of the war, the number of lives lost, is practically never mentioned, unless we're getting told gleefully how many Russians the Ukrainians claim to have killed to demonstrate how well the war is going for them, and how with just a few dozen billion more dollars they could end up on the outskirts of Moscow.
Are there any western journalists reporting on these figures in a critical way? I remember Seymour Hersh, or maybe someone else, I can't remember, reporting on Israel's grandiose claims about its Iron Dome system. I don't think Ukrainian war propaganda has gotten a treatment like that at all in any mainstream outlet. You only find these critiques on blogs like this.
Posted by: fnord | Aug 27 2024 16:18 utc | 37
It's a difficult question to figure out BDA. I don't trust either side, here. Look at the Ukrops claiming thousands of RFA killed and the RFA the converse, when on both sides it is probably an order of magnitude smaller. Yet, we still get hoi polloi here, citing kill counts (from the side they like, not from both).
With your article, I immediately noted the histrionics and bald assertions in the first two paras. Yes, everyone should take everything with a grain of salt. But not because of you. You're an intellectual lightweight. Appealing to similar mouthbreathers.
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 27 2024 16:20 utc | 38
These "numbers" are beyond absurd. No way in hell are they downing 90%. These folks are talking out of their ass as they usually do.
Posted by: MoT | Aug 27 2024 16:22 utc | 39
@ Anonymous | Aug 27 2024 16:20 utc | 38
bullshit... appropriate poster name, lol..
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 16:23 utc | 40
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 16:03 utc | 30
>The coming collapse of Britain
Countries like Britain don't collapse. It cannot go bankrupt because it has debt in its own currency. It cant have chaos unless the military and police refuse to obey orders, and Britain is nowhere near that point. It can't be invaded. It can perhaps be nuked if Russia is sure it can take out 100% of the British arsenal in a first strike AND Russia isn't worried about USA or China response to a Russian nuclear strike on Britain, however nuclear strike is extremely unlikely. Britain can definitely become a less pleasant place to live, but the decline will be very slow, like 100 years to hit bottom.
Climate change (slowing AMOC) could speed decline up, as could a serious pandemic, but Britain won't suffer alone from those issues.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
@ anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
thanks.. it sounds like it is becoming a less hospitable place to live.. whether we get a huge financial crash or not, britians role in this nato-russia war is extremely prominent and for all the wrong reasons.. i suspect finances are a big part of it too..
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 16:30 utc | 42
Here’s today’s Russian Defence Ministry SMO report, proudly sponsored by @Anonymous:
Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (27 August 2024)Last night, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a group strike with long-range airborne precision weapons, including Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles, and attack UAVs against critical airfield infrastructure of Ukraine. All the assigned targets been engaged.
The units of the Sever Group of Forces in Liptsy and Sumy directions have engaged the 22nd Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 101st and 118th territorial defence brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine close to Chervonoye, Vorozhba, Baranovka, Pustogorod (Sumy region), and Liptsy (Kharkov region).
Three counter-attacks launched by AFU assault detachments have been repelled.
The AFU losses were up to 115 troops, three motor vehicles, and one Anklav-N electronic warfare station.
The units of the Zapad Group of Forces have improved the tactical situation and delivered strikes at manpower and hardware of the 4th Tank Brigade of the AFU, the 12th Special Operations Brigade, 104th, 110th, and 114th territorial defence brigades near Kolesnikovka, Boguslavka, Tabayevka (Kharkov region), and Serebryansky forestry.
Four counter-attacks launched by assault detachments of AFU 43rd and 63rd mechanised brigades have been repelled.
The AFU losses were up to 490 troops, two U.S.-made M113 armoured personnel carriers, two armoured fighting vehicles, four motor vehicles, two UK-made 155-mm FH-70 howitzers, one U.S.-made AN/TPQ-36 counter-battery warfare radar as well as Anklav-N and Kvertus electronic warfare stations.
The units of the Yug Group of Forces have taken more advantageous lines and positions, defeated manpower and hardware of 54th, 93rd mechanised, 110rd assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the 119th Territorial Defence Brigade near Kuzminovka, Verkhnekamenskoye, and Katerinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).
One counter-attack launched by the AFU 5th Assault Brigade has been repelled.
The AFU losses were up to 780 troops, one German-made Leopard tank, one armoured fighting vehicle, four motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M198 howitzer, one 152-mm Msta-B howitzer, two 122-mm D-30 howitzer, and one Anklav-N electronic warfare station.
Three AFU field ammunition depots have been destroyed.
The units of the Tsentr Group of Forces have liberated Orlovka (Donetsk People's Republic), defeated units of 53rd, 110th mechanised, 25th air assault brigades of the AFU, and the 109th Territorial Defence Brigade near Vozdvizhenka, Rozovka, Novgorodskoye, and Sergeyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).
Seven counter-attacks launched by AFU 150th and 151st mechanised brigades have been repelled.
The AFU losses were up to 530 troops, one tank, four armoured fighting vehicles, six motor vehicles, one 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system, and two 122-mm D-30 howitzers.
The units of the Vostok Group of Forces have improved the situation along the front line and hit manpower and hardware clusters of the AFU 72nd Mechanised Brigade close to Vodyanoye (Donetsk People's Republic).
Russian troops have repelled one counter-attack launched by assault detachments of the 128th Territorial Defence Brigade.
The AFU losses were up to 145 troops, one armoured fighting vehicle, seven motor vehicles, one 152-mm D-20 howitzer, and one electronic warfare station.
The units of the Dnepr Group of Forces have defeated units of the AFU 35th Marine Brigade and the 124th Territorial Defence Brigade close to Ivanovka and Tokarevka (Kherson region).
The AFU losses were more than 85 troops, four motor vehicles, one U.S.-made 155-mm M777 gun, one 155-mm Paladin self-propelled artillery system, one U.S.-made 105-mm M119 howitzer as well as one Anklav-N electronic warfare station.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 142 areas during the day.
Air defence facilities have shot down four Tochka-U tactical missiles, three French-made Hammer aerial guided bombs, and 31 unmanned aerial vehicles.
In total, 640 airplanes and 283 helicopters, 30,564 unmanned aerial vehicles, 575 air defence missile systems, 17,586 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,425 combat vehicles equipped with MLRS, 13,690 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 25,262 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.
https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12526932@egNews
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 16:31 utc | 43
Every day another piece of "Russian propaganda" turns out to be true...
Posted by: xblob | Aug 27 2024 16:32 utc | 44
“They can shoot down a military jet with a hunting rifle."
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 14:03 utc | 4
I heard it was a beebee gun...
Posted by: TPaine | Aug 27 2024 15:57 utc | 29
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Babushkas with pickle jars!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2024 16:33 utc | 45
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2024 14:52 utc | 17
Salud Karl, check out Lavrov's presser with the Yemen's foreign minister, not too long but with some interesting points, like the RF nuclear doctrine being clarified, Durov, and a Lavrov swing with his usual flair at the Eurocrats.
https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1966772/
Posted by: Paco | Aug 27 2024 16:35 utc | 46
@ anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
Given up on “muh attrition”, have we?
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2024 16:35 utc | 47
anonposter (41).
Its decline, will be a lot quicker - if Scotland can break free from the illegal union - England, currently steal hundreds of millions of pounds every day from Scotland - using smart accounting tricks - including most of its energy, which it then sells some of it, back to Scots at an inflated price.
Scotland - also is home to England's nuclear subs at Faslane - getting rid of them is a must.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 27 2024 16:37 utc | 48
Riffing on a theme, lets say that Ukraine does shoot down 90% of Russian drones/missiles.
At what cost?
I suppose that Ukraine's air defense is costing the West tens of millions of dollars on slow days and upwards of a billion on hot days.
The West will lose this proxy conflict gradually then suddenly, everywhere, all at once.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2024 16:38 utc | 49
I look at it this way. If Israel can have an almost 100% shoot down rate with Iron Dome and borrowed assets, then it is not unreasonable for Ukraine to have an 80% or better shoot down rate. Don't let reports of stuff being hit, damaged or destroyed fool you.
Posted by: Matt | Aug 27 2024 16:38 utc | 50
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 27 2024 16:16 utc | 35
“When the Russians are full go, may God have mercy on their enemies.”
Did the SU ever reach full go in Afghanistan?
I do know they did reach it quite a few times with their allies. Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia Poland etc. Of course, it is so much easier when you command both sides armies ;)
Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 27 2024 16:39 utc | 51
b,
In the same vein as your winning post, "The Houthis have become a dangerous rogue nation. The US Navy could crush them" /.../ "The Houthis have defeated the US Navy",
if someone wants to do some digging there has to be a similar downward progressing series of headlines at Reuters regarding Zelensky.
Today's Reuters headline and subtext are this:
Ukraine's Zelenskiy to present plan to Biden to end war with Russia
Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Tuesday that the war with Russia would eventually end in dialogue, but that Kyiv had to be in a strong position and that he would present a plan to U.S. President Joe Biden and his two potential successors.
Posted by: librul | Aug 27 2024 16:40 utc | 52
@ Milites | Aug 27 2024 16:10 utc | 32
Wrong person to ask. Ultimately, it's true whether anyone likes it or not.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2024 16:41 utc | 53
Posted by: Biggus Dickus | Aug 27 2024 16:39 utc | 51
Muh Soviet Union
The 1970s called, they want their Cold War paranoia back.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 16:48 utc | 54
At least the Ukies seem to be getting the hang of this propaganda business. They're no longer trying to claim they shot down more devices than the Russians actually launched.
Posted by: Arthur Foxake | Aug 27 2024 16:48 utc | 55
Climate change (slowing AMOC) could speed decline up, as could a serious pandemic, but Britain won't suffer alone from those issues.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
That ain't going to happen, so you're probably correct with your slow, 100-year, decline.
Posted by: Phil R | Aug 27 2024 16:50 utc | 56
Paco | Aug 27 2024 16:35 utc | 46--
Thanks, Paco, for the FYI. I'll check it out.
As for Ukie AD and its use, Simplicius has a very interesting audio capture of the conversation between an Su-34 being attacked by a Patriot and the pilot's controller, https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/powerful-russian-strikes-usher-in I suggest it be read by all barflies who will surely be surprised by the new TOW-type drones Russia introduced in Kursk.
"They can shoot down a military jet with a hunting rifle."
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 14:03 utc | 4
"I heard it was a beebee gun..."
Posted by: TPaine | Aug 27 2024 15:57 utc | 29
You are both wrong: it was a slingshot like David...
For you guys that still believe in the 'Man Made Climate Crisis" brought to you by your friendly MSM let me tell you the unvarnished truth.
The earth's climate has always changed and always will.
In the last 2 MM years we have had 17 ice ages-roughly one every 100,000 years.
In the cycle the earth gets warmer for 30,00-50,000 years then it gets colder for 30,000-60,000 years-has to do with the wobble in the Earth's orbit and so on....
Right now we are in the getting warmer part of the cycle for about another 20 to 30 thousand years-then it will get colder once again.
The closest mankind has come to the possibility of extinction was roughly 70,000 years when only 20 pairs of mating humans were alive say around 70 people all together with non nubile- the children and the elderly-that was during the last ice age.
Now let's do the math 70 people at the peak of the cold; now 8,000,000,000 ( eight billion people now)...hmmmnnn-"I think the warm cycle is better than the cold cycle."
That's really all there is to it.
Mankind had fuckall has to do with the Climate Cycle.
Paco | Aug 27 2024 16:35 utc | 46--
Sorry for the OT--
Unfortunately, I see Lavrov has made aa massive gaff by saying "Hamas attacked Israeli civilians" on 7 October when it specifically attacked Zionist occupation forces. I'd thought he'd learned to cease saying that lie, but in this case, he proves to be an old mule. The rest of Lavrov's phraseology after that gaff doesn't redeem him or it; I'll include it for context:
"When all of us, while condemning this terrorist attack, at the same time refused to recognize the legitimacy of the reaction that followed. It was tantamount to collective punishment of the Palestinian people, regardless of gender or age. This was a gross violation, just like any terrorist act."
Russia's MFA must rethink its line. Perhaps it ought to cite the statements my Smotrich and others advocating the genocide of all Palestinians made well prior to 7 October and an excellent reason for Hamas's attack to free themselves.
@ karlof1 | Aug 27 2024 17:17 utc | 60
Sadly, when it comes to exaggerated solicitude for the tender feefees of exterminationist Zionists (pardon the redundancy?), Russia isn't appreciably better than most countries.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2024 17:23 utc | 61
This reminds me a joke going approximatively like:
Russia sends missiles on Ukrainian soil.
Ukraine : We destroyed 72 missiles.
Russia : We sent 30. Each objective has been hit.
Ukraine : Some destructions
Posted by: DidierF | Aug 27 2024 17:29 utc | 62
@anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
"Countries like Britain don't collapse."
🇬🇧🏦💲 Starmer warned that his government's budget statement would be "painful" and asked people to accept "short-term pain for long-term gain."https://t.me/European_dissident/59398
Things are worse than we could have imagined. I did not imagine that a black hole of 22 billion pounds would form in the finances of the state.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2024 17:35 utc | 63
Countries like Britain don't collapse.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
You sound really sure of that. A lot of British people are at the end of their ropes, and Two-Tier Keir made sure to warn people things would get worse. A substantial slice of the population would likely welcome a Putin viceroy, never mind a change in government.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 27 2024 17:44 utc | 64
Syrski's statement that 6,203 civilian facilities were attacked is VERY misleading.
I wonder how many of those civilian facilities were being used for military purposes? I'll bet the answer is 6,203.
Posted by: Belle | Aug 27 2024 17:44 utc | 65
@ Belle | Aug 27 2024 17:44 utc | 65
exactly.. but that part is ''conveniently'' left out in the details.. the devil is in the details.. i recall at the beginning ukraine hiding war machines in shopping malls - had the video to show it at the time too..
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 17:49 utc | 66
The key question is: for how many hours without electricity can refrigerators still preserve food inside them.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 27 2024 17:54 utc | 67
@ vargas | Aug 27 2024 17:54 utc | 67
good question.. depends on the food... as for the refrigerators.. they are making them now as planned obsolescence - 10 year life span..
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 17:57 utc | 68
Posted by: vargas | Aug 27 2024 17:54 utc | 67
Are we sure that Ukrainians have got any refrigerators left? That they haven’t all been requisitioned to provide microchips for Ukraine’s “home-brew” cruise missiles..???
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 18:05 utc | 69
Are we sure that Ukrainians have got any refrigerators left? That they haven’t all been requisitioned to provide microchips for Ukraine’s “home-brew” cruise missiles..???
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 18:05 utc | 69
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We all know, of course, that only the Russians are desperate enough to do that. ;-)
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2024 18:08 utc | 70
The key question is: for how many hours without electricity can refrigerators still preserve food inside them.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 27 2024 17:54 utc | 67
It's not a key question.
You can feed yourself without refrigerated food.
Fresh food, canned food, dried/salted food.
Key question is clean drinkable water.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 18:09 utc | 71
Always funny thing in ukies infographics about types of shoot down targets - is number of S-300.
Russia doesn't use S-300 in ground attack role, it is ridiculous (technically possible but not needed as they have much better tools for the job).
It is that ukies need to have cover up story for all S-300 missiles with expired shelf life date, falling down on residential buildings. It is damn Ruskies!
Posted by: Abe | Aug 27 2024 18:10 utc | 72
Today I read they took dozens of new settlements in Kursk and captured hundreds of Russian troops.
They just chuck this stuff out on the assumption there are lots of daft Telegraph readers around to believe it and share it.
Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 27 2024 18:15 utc | 73
@Glasshopper | Aug 27 2024 18:15 utc | 73
I see that again and again over here (when I bother to look). It reminds me of this Orwell quote
“Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various “party lines.”So what we are seeing is nothing new.
― George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 27 2024 18:27 utc | 74
Russia is closer to Israel than any country in the world. 20 percent of Israelis are Russian speakers. 80 percent have roots in Russia or close by.
The Anglo-American empire have used Israel, but Russia is the country with the longstanding cultural ties.
Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 27 2024 18:27 utc | 75
malenkov | Aug 27 2024 17:23 utc | 61--
Thanks for your reply. In the Q&A, Lavrov seems rather perplexed with the MFA's position; at least, that's my interpretation. Russia's constitutional issue with its many dual passport/citizens has always been an issue, but not nearly as volcanic as now. Russia well knows Palestine's history and the quality of people that have led the Zionists well prior to WW2. Russia needs to rewrite its position in time for the UNGA Debates next month. I wonder if Iran will make its reply prior to or after that event.
The above comment was for karlof1 60.
Yes. Marvellous Orwell quote Norwegian. Thanks.
Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 27 2024 18:34 utc | 77
Russia is the country with the longstanding cultural ties.
Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 27 2024 18:27 utc | 75
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Thank Catherine for the Pale.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2024 18:34 utc | 78
Mario | Aug 27 2024 18:09 utc | 71--
Yes, and its complement, a working sewage system--both are electrically powered. And to pressure can, you need propane or some similar fuel as you can't lose your source of heat halfway through the process, and meats take almost two hours to properly can. Once it gets cold, however, nature's refrigerator will work fine provided you can find food to buy or have money to purchase what's available.
Glasshopper | Aug 27 2024 18:27 utc | 75--
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I'm well aware of that and how Russia's constitution complicates things. IMO, Stalin thought he might be able to control the nascent nation given those connections, but he greatly misjudged the Zionist Project as did those who followed him. Some adjustments were made, but the main problem is Russia lacked the dollars to buy the regional leaders once Nasser was killed.
and meats take almost two hours to properly can.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2024 18:39 utc | 79
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Meat can be salted and dried.
People have forgotten how to handle food. And many other basic things.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2024 18:45 utc | 81
"In any case, it's sad that mainstream journalists dutifully report these numbers as if they're gospel."
Posted by: fnord | Aug 27 2024 16:18 utc | 37
So writes an infidel. To the faithful, gospel is what should be reported, you do not want to be a heretic, do you. To others, gospel is a set of legends, basically, literature rather than history.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 27 2024 18:49 utc | 82
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
>Countries like Britain don't collapse.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 27 2024 17:44 utc | 64
>You sound really sure of that. A lot of British people are at the end of their ropes, and Two-Tier Keir made sure to warn people things would get worse. A substantial slice of the population would likely welcome a Putin viceroy, never mind a change in government.
Because I am sure. The only slices of the population that ever really matter are the security force slice and the slice of leaders who these security forces obey. Another important slice is the vital workers who feed and otherwise support the security forces and leaders, but those vital workers are easy to control, especially after they see what happens to the slices of rebels, non-vital workers, unemployed workers, and non-worker useless eaters.
This was all explained in Animal Farm. When one of the sheep complained that the pigs were not keeping their promises to improve conditions on the farm, the pigs sent an attack dog to rip the sheep's throat out, and no further complaints from the other sheep after that incident.
All successful revolutions require the security forces to either step aside or participate in the revolt, or there needs to be plenty of outside assistance to overthrow the security forces. Britain is not at that stage. Neither is Russia or North Korea or Iran or USA or any European country. Ukraine is getting close to that stage.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 27 2024 18:50 utc | 83
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2024 18:39 utc | 79
You can use coal or wood provided you have open air access or a proper fireplace.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 18:54 utc | 84
Meat can be salted and dried.
People have forgotten how to handle food. And many other basic things.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2024 18:45 utc | 81
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Indeed, but first you have to have meat.
Not sure I’d want to be a house pet in 404 this coming winter.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2024 18:59 utc | 85
Russia needs to rewrite its position in time for the UNGA Debates next month.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 27 2024 18:31 utc | 76
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Needs to, yes, but I’m not exactly holding my breath.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2024 19:00 utc | 86
Be careful about trusting Orwell. It is actually impossible to know both what happens on a particular battlefield because you were there and know what's happening in multiple battlefields. (It is difficult to know what really happened in any chaotic situation like a battle, because it is chaotic and terrifying to boot, by the way.) It is also either naive about how newspapers in nations at war work. That's mostly to repeat what the government says. Attributing it to the "party line" while ignoring the tendency to be loyal is deeply naive. (But Orwell was an experienced writer and sometime journalist!) Or it is an impossible demand that the newspapers must print the plain truth, as one particular soldier sees it, ignoring the difficulty of even knowing the truth. Demanding the newspapers supply good intelligence to everyone who can buy a newspaper they can pass on to the enemy is a huge ask.
Orwell in my opinion exposed himself as a grotesque fabulist and anti-Communist hysteric and pro-imperialist propagandist at least by 1942 (date of Animal Farm.) As you see, I have doubts about Spanish Civil War Orwell.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 27 2024 19:02 utc | 87
T Legitimate
#rumors
Our source reports that after today's night missile strike by the Russian Armed Forces on the AFU airfield in Starokonstantynove, Khmelnitsky region, two AFU aircraft, one of them an F-16, were damaged.As the source explains, the Russians used a prolonged combined attack for 6-8 hours. The Ukrainian Armed Forces raised aircraft, including F-16s, to repel the attack and to "save the birds", as they are an easy target at airfields. But as soon as the aircraft partially repelled the threat and sat back on the airfield after three hours in the air, "daggers"were fired at it. https://t.me/s/legitimniy
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2024 19:03 utc | 88
"They can shoot down a military jet with a hunting rifle."
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 14:03 utc | 4
"I heard it was a beebee gun..."
Posted by: TPaine | Aug 27 2024 15:57 utc | 29
You are both wrong: it was a slingshot like David...
@Posted by: canuck | Aug 27 2024 17:03 utc | 58
Heard Zelensky is drinking lots of coffee
as he is ready to take aim with his piano finger.
Posted by: librul | Aug 27 2024 19:03 utc | 89
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 27 2024 18:59 utc | 85
Yup, I predict an uptick in Ukrainian social media cat videos being tagged as “recipes”...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 19:07 utc | 90
Countries like Britain don't collapse. It cannot go bankrupt because it has debt in its own currency. It cant have chaos unless the military and police refuse to obey orders, and Britain is nowhere near that point. It can't be invaded. It can perhaps be nuked if Russia is sure it can take out 100% of the British arsenal in a first strike AND Russia isn't worried about USA or China response to a Russian nuclear strike on Britain, however nuclear strike is extremely unlikely. Britain can definitely become a less pleasant place to live, but the decline will be very slow, like 100 years to hit bottom.
If Britain tries to print its way out of bankruptcy, then you get a currency collapse. There is still a collapse. Bankruptcy is better than a currency collapse, but governments always choose the printing press.
And it has already been invaded. England is no longer the homeland of the English. After the collapse, you'll get a bloody civil war.
Posted by: JackG | Aug 27 2024 19:18 utc | 91
And apologies for the off-topic; in the UEFA Champions League qualifiers, Dynamo Keeeeev have just conceded a goal and are now losing 3-0 aggregated across two legs, despite them being dressed in a highly patriotic blue and yellow kit.
Of course Zelly and his minions will report this as successfully defending 40 out of 24 shots on target...
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 19:20 utc | 92
Peter AU1 | Aug 27 2024 0:32 utc | 131 (Old Thread)For some reason I can no longer read black on white pieces, only short summaries and so forth. This black on blue that b has here is still okay for me to read.
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Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 27 2024 19:28 utc | 93
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 27 2024 16:28 utc | 41
Countries with own currencies do collapse or, at least go bankrupt, and there is plenty of examples.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 19:29 utc | 94
It can perhaps be nuked if Russia is sure it can take out 100% of the British arsenal in a first strike AND Russia isn't worried about USA or China response to a Russian nuclear strike on Britain, ...
Posted by: JackG | Aug 27 2024 19:18 utc | 91
Why should the USA or even China (?) give Russia an answer to the thermonuclear destruction of England? If GB no longer exists, then it is gone, and no one in the world will take a risk on something that is gone.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 27 2024 19:36 utc | 95
People have forgotten how to handle food. And many other basic things.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 27 2024 18:45 utc | 81
I hope Ukrainians can relearn the most important of those basic things by winter.
Posted by: Samu | Aug 27 2024 19:36 utc | 96
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 19:29 utc | 94
Yes, indeed, currency debasement can bring down nations and empires just as effectively as military campaigns. In some ways it is more effective, as it is symptomatic of internal rot, rather than external assault.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 19:38 utc | 97
I hope Ukrainians can relearn the most important of those basic things by winter.
Posted by: Samu | Aug 27 2024 19:36 utc | 96
But they don't have to do that. At the behest of the Americans, the EU will take care of them - as long as the EU still exists.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 27 2024 19:49 utc | 98
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 27 2024 19:49 utc | 98
As long as they can fly to EU.
Those that remain in Ukraine will have no such luxury.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 27 2024 19:55 utc | 99
@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 27 2024 19:38 utc | 97
i know it sounds very simplistic for me to say this, but these wars are all about finances and who controls what financially.. i said much the same @ 42... war=money.. right now the whole financial system is in a precarious place as i see it.. but perhaps it takes a much longer time frame for it to unravel.. maybe not.. in the meantime the printing presses will be in overdrive..
Posted by: james | Aug 27 2024 19:59 utc | 100
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The trap continues widening inch by inch. It’s fascinating to watch from the distance, simply by pressing the ‘play’ button and observing how the death crater expands. To make it clear, there are practical consequences of what is not an accusation but an obvious fact are observed. Soon, Ukraine won’t know what hit them. Recall the Supreme Commander in Chief has said that Ukraine will "certainly receive a worthy response" for the attack on Kursk Region, and all the goals Russia has set for itself will be achieved.
Posted by: AI | Aug 27 2024 13:46 utc | 1