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August 21, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: Western Media Dismiss Ukraine’s Kursk Offensive

Two weeks ago, when the Ukrainian army started its incursion into Russia's Kursk region, I had expected the Russia army to dispel the Ukrainians within a few days. That did not happen as it took time to bring enough troops towards that new frontline.

I also underestimated the size of the force the Ukrainians had made available for the operation. It is now estimated to be in the range of 10,000 to 30,000.

For now the Ukrainian army attack has mostly be stopped though it is still trying to expand what it holds in the very rural area.

Be that as it may – the operation, even when sustained longer, makes little sense.

It gives a temporary moral high to the Ukrainian army and may allow Zelenski and the British sponsors of this operation to prolong the war.

The plan in Kiev is not to negotiate but to prolong the war and to convince the west to further finance it. This would have the advantage of moving billions of additional dollar from western sources into the various pockets in Kiev with Zelenski and Yermak cashing in the largest share of it.

But all this comes at the cost of the Ukrainian defense in Donbas.

The Kursk incursion took so many troops from the defense of the Donbas that the front lines there can no longer be held up. It has also diverted scarce artillery ammunition which the Donbas defenders now lack. The Ukrainian defense in Donbas is currently crumbling with the Russian side taking several villages per day.

There was some hope expressed that Russia would divert troops from its Donbas attack towards Kursk. But the Kursk operation is on Russian ground where the Russian army is allowed to use conscript unit to defend the country. Conscripts are not allowed to take part in the operation within Ukraine. This gives the Russian army a large reserve that it can use against the incursion. It should be sufficient to end it.

Even at the beginning of the operation some supporters of Ukraine had feared that the incursion would break the Donbas defense:

Tatarigami_UA @Tatarigami_UA – 14:23 UTC · Aug 6, 2024

The situation in the Pokrovsk direction is critical, with defenses in several areas collapsed and yet to stabilize, largely due to a shortage of personnel. Diverting nearly a brigade to launch an assault on Kursk Oblast, which lacks strategic sense, borders on mental disability.

Various western oriented media have now taken a similar view:

After being initially heralded as a brilliant military stroke, the Kursk operation could end up becoming a trap for the Ukrainian Army, these analysts said.

Ultimately, the expansion of the war to new areas will, over time, favor the side with bigger resources, the analysts said. With triple the population and a larger industrial base, that side remains Russia.

One Ukrainian artillery brigade commander in eastern Ukraine told the Financial Times that part of the reason for the Russian advance was Kyiv moving its scarce resources north.

His troops were back to rationing shells for their canons — the first time since US aid to Ukraine was held up by Congress — because ammunition had been reallocated for the incursion into Russia’s Kursk region.

While Kyiv does not comment on casualties, the incursion has already come at a material cost: Ukraine lost at least 51 pieces of valuable military equipment, including German Marder vehicles, US-made Stryker vehicles and Himars rockets, compared to 27 such losses on the Russian side, according to the open-source intelligence researcher Naalsio.

"There is a risk of overextending, and there is a risk that precious personnel and resources may be lost and that Putin may use this as a pretext for further escalation," said Michael A. Witt, professor of international business and strategy at King's Business School, London.

Emil Kastehelmi, a military expert from the Finland-based open-source intelligence analysis firm Black Bird Group, said that the incursion risks attrition of Ukraine's precious reserves when it still has issues with manpower.

Hopes that Ukraine’s incursion into Russia would relieve pressure on the eastern front are not being realized as Moscow’s forces approach Pokrovsk.

Ukrainian servicemen in the Pokrovsk region say the Kursk incursion has not altered Russian attack — if anything, the pressure has increased in recent days.

There are many more, including alternative sources, tooting the same horn.

I agree that the incursion into Kursk, while tactically successful, makes little strategic sense as it will lead to large losses of men and ground in the Donbas. It is also too costly for the units involved in it.

But that holds only as long as Ukraine does not have another high card to play.

Could it be that it has more reserves or tricks that it could apply elsewhere?

I doubt this as I do not see where additional reserves could have been formed or come from.

Comments

War is the only industry in Ukraine. It’s been so for quite a while. Pretty much since 2014. With all the major industries gone, people were signing up for military service for it was the only way to make “decent” money, which was something like $400/month.
Posted by: Nomad | Aug 21 2024 21:41 utc | 223

IMF demanded Ukraine must raise taxes to keep paying their loans.
They won’t get much more taxes as everything is moved underground and the main economic activity left are bribe money, which they so far didn’t figure out how to tax effectively. Maybe lawmakers being the same people as bribe recipients have something to do with it too.
According to ex-PM Azarov, Ukraine has 19 million people left and shrinking work force. It is in a death spiral in other ways than only the battle front. Death spiral as a nation, no way out. It is disappearing like Putin predicted.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 21 2024 22:02 utc | 201

Cynic | Aug 21 2024 21:39 utc | 220
The poles remember Volyn well. They also believe western Ukraine is their territory. A recent memorial to the victims in Volyn featured an impaled baby held high in the air on a Galician trident pitchfork.
What comes around goes around I suspect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 22:02 utc | 202

I am at the point where I only read posts that include URLs.
Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 21 2024 22:00 utc | 230
I’m sorry. I just have a policy to reply to personal insults.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:03 utc | 203

Peter AU1 thanks for your comments. Your replies to some here is all they deserve. Is Tichy a jew? – he/she/it escalated the profanity and seems to need to have the last word!
I stop reading any comment as soon as it starts criticising Putin/Russia et al and make a point of ignoring any other post from that poster. That works well for me. But admire those who efficiently reply to them.
Roger, in reply to your question the other day. I have no knowledge of a timeline for President Xi’s statement about “the world seeing changes not seen in a 100 years”. Need to be a close watcher of China et al to know that. What has Pepe Escabor said? The other day Circumspect mentioned (without reference) BRICs SWIFT comming into effect this October.

Posted by: Ново З | Aug 21 2024 22:04 utc | 204

KIEVS KURSK ADVENTURE HAS “FAILED” TO DRAW RUSSIAN TROOPS FROM DONBAS
To the dismay of the Kiev Regime, Russian Armed Forces have continued to maintain their main contingent in Ukraine. “Ukraine’s adventure into the Kursk Region, designed to diminish the combat capabilities of the Russian army in other key areas, has completely failed,” said one source from the front.
“This is evidenced by Russian successes in the battles for Toretsk,” she said. “Today, Russian Armed Forces have begun the battle for the city, contradicting the narrative pushed by the Ukrainian elite to justify their own failures.”
Interestingly, even Ukrainian propaganda is acknowledging that Kiev is seriously losing to Moscow not only in equipment but also in personnel numbers. “Ukrainian officers themselves admit that their own command has jeopardized the defence of Ukraine” she continued.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 21 2024 22:04 utc | 205

I feel the most dangerous thing at the moment is the Brits pulling a large false flag to try and bring the Americans back into the war against Russia.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 19:28 utc | 132
Too true. If the British keep their well-honed deceit, like when they gave the details of their Taranto torpedo dive-bombing raid, over to Japanese to do Pearl Harbor and get Roosevelt to declare war…
It seems appropriate that the Empire is gone and soon Civil War will erase the smug Brits.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 21 2024 22:09 utc | 206

Hopefully this gets seen through the Fog of Troll in these recent threads.
We all saw how the Kursk offensive was tactically clever but strategically misguided.
Surely the Brits and Ukies have enough brain cells to see what the barflies saw.
So why did they do it..? Honest question lol

Posted by: just some idiot | Aug 21 2024 22:10 utc | 207

The plan in Kiev is not to negotiate but to prolong the war
It will not prolong the war, it will shorten it. Kursk is another meat grinder. No bunker, the ukronazis are in the open and so are their vehicles. Turkey shooting.
Russia still has not retaliate. Russians are very patient. It is a great quality.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 21 2024 22:11 utc | 208

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 21:35 utc | 217
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While I don’t drink, and I don’t know what your health permits, I would happily buy you a round of drinks one day. Thank you for the sane and intelligent posts. And thank you for telling off the trolls too.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2024 22:13 utc | 209

Is Tichy a jew? – he/she/it escalated the profanity and seems to need to have the last word!
Posted by: Ново З | Aug 21 2024 22:04 utc | 235
Dear Lord. Peter escalated the profanity when he told me to piss off for mocking someone who said that the Kursk incursion was conceived as a Russian trap. This is my first post in the thread: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/08/ukraine-sitrep-western-media-dismiss-ukraines-kursk-offensive.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02dad0cd326a200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02dad0cd326a200d
“Am I a Jew?” How low can you get?!

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:13 utc | 210

REALITY CHECK and cognitive dissonance for all those saying “The Kursk offensive is useless and waning”. It is not. It is actually broadening, deepening, steamrolling most of Russia’s resistance and future threatens to get even worse. Shock! Horror! if all you listen to is usual TG positivity narrative.
But before attacking ME because you don’t “agree with” this assessment or like its truths, please watch all of History Legend’s latest factual reports on the region.
https://youtu.be/-anSb94GEZc
Make your replies to him, not me.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 22:14 utc | 211

Yes, I’ve been banned from this forum before, and I think it was mostly because I was drunk and unhinged and kept calling for nuking everything instead of letting the Nazi Ukraine rape and murder the citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 19:25 utc | 128
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Was that your false dichotomy then, or now, or both?

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 21 2024 22:14 utc | 212

Thank you for the sane and intelligent posts. And thank you for telling off the trolls too.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2024 22:13 utc | 242
Yeah, Peter, thanks for telling me I’m a NATO stooge for this:

Anyway, yes, all the “trap” nonsense theories would have to assume the Russian command cynically left thousands of civilians potentially to suffer and die at the hands of the Nazis. I’d prefer to think they aren’t that cynical. Posted by: Tichy | Aug 14 2024 0:49 utc | 598

This waas always a trap to begin with. Posted by: AI | Aug 21 2024 17:12 utc | 47

“Russia didn’t care if its citizens were raped and murdered.” Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 18:06 utc | 83

Do you really believe that? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 18:10 utc | 84

I was explaining AI’s only possible rationale for the statement that “this was all a trap.” Then again I guess it’s like 3am where you live so I’ll forgive you if you’re too drunk to pick up on the nuances. Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 18:55 utc | 102

This trashbag, instead of screaming and yelling at his own government being party to the murder of civilians in Kurst, instead allies with Nato propaganda and screams that the Russians don’t care if their civilians care raped and murdered.
Stinking piece of shit.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 19:21 utc | 124

Apologize, cunt.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:14 utc | 213

So why did they do it..? Honest question lol
Posted by: just some idiot | Aug 21 2024 22:10 utc | 240

1) Because they think that they are more clever, more powerful, have better weapon than the Russians.
2) Because they believe their own lies.
3) For PR reasons.
4) Because they are stupid and they think they could thus destabilise Russia when the effect will be quite the opposite.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 21 2024 22:15 utc | 214

Was that your false dichotomy then, or now, or both?
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 21 2024 22:14 utc | 245
I don’t understand the question.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:16 utc | 215

I would happily buy you a round of drinks one day.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2024 22:13 utc | 242
Anything containing ethanol is good enough 🙂

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 22:18 utc | 216

“Am I a Jew?” How low can you get?!
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:13 utc | 243
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The lady protests too much.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2024 22:18 utc | 217

So why did they do it..? Honest question lol
Posted by: just some idiot | Aug 21 2024 22:10 utc | 240
1) Because they think that they are more clever, more powerful, have better weapon than the Russians.
2) Because they believe their own lies.
3) For PR reasons.
4) Because they are stupid and they think they could thus destabilise Russia when the effect will be quite the opposite.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 21 2024 22:15 utc | 247
I think the only viable one is the third (even if it’s discredited by professional analysts both in the West and the East, it keeps making waves in the MSM,) but it can’t be discounted that this was a Hail Mary thing. If we’re lucky that might mean an imminent and conclusive defeat of the Nazi Ukraine, but I usually don’t want to hope too much and get disappointed.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:20 utc | 218

“Apologize, cunt.”
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 21:16 utc | 205
I have to step in here: Tichy there is an informal Gentlemen’s agreement: one can only call a person a ,”cunt”, if they possesses such.
Kindly please adhere to this protocol in the future.
Thanks.

Posted by: canuck | Aug 21 2024 22:21 utc | 219

The lady protests too much.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 21 2024 22:18 utc | 250
Not that it matters, but do I look like a Jew? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HldEzLcJcRs
Now it’s your turn. What’s to prove you’re not a blue-haired lesbian transvestite…

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:22 utc | 220

I have to step in here: Tichy there is an informal Gentlemen’s agreement: one can only call a person a ,”cunt”, if they possesses such.
Kindly please adhere to this protocol in the future.
Thanks.
Posted by: canuck | Aug 21 2024 22:21 utc | 252
I’ll respect the gentleman’s agreement if the cunt stops acting like a cunt.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:23 utc | 221

@ just some idiot | Aug 21 2024 22:10 utc | 240
Generational rusophobia is much like cocaine, one hell of a drug and their regular diet. Unironically, these “elites” get high on their own supply.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 21 2024 22:24 utc | 222

Operation to Mop up Kiev Mobile Groups continues to be successful in Kursk
“Attacks by Kiev Regime forces are still being repelled, and mobile groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are being cleaned up,” a source told us. “The Russian Armed Forces are clearing the rear areas of enemy mobile groups that had previously broken through.”
Over the past 24 hours, enemy attacks have been repelled in the direction of Komarovka, Korenevo, Malaya Loknya and Russkaya Konopelka. Meanwhile, “in the rear of our units, the search and destruction of enemy mobile groups continues. We have been combing forests and adjacent settlements.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 21 2024 22:24 utc | 223

@all, I let b know about the username hijacker and the sockpuppets.
The trashbag b has banned before for being a crazy will likely dispensary only to reappear at some point under a new moniker.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 22:25 utc | 224

Posted by: Inka | Aug 21 2024 21:59 utc | 229
That’s an ISW map, the same organisation that uncritically repeated the Ukrainian claims of the 90% success rate against missiles, and then, IIRC, based their analysis on that figure. The analysis proved useless because now we know the correct figure was 25-30% (far less for some targets), a figure independent analysts, including a YT channel using a flight simulator, got close to.
Russia has opened up a second offensive axis driving SW, so, far from stopping the offensive, they’ve accelerated the drive by introducing more combat power. Remember, Russia has the normally yearly Zapad exercise, which while highly staged does often practice the strategic movement of a division sized formation (about as much as their rather decrepit air-lift capability can manage). If they believed the Kursk Oblast was genuinely under threat you’d think those troops, making up the new axis, would instead be moved there. There’s also the news of the re-formation of the famous 51st Army based around Kharkov, or was that Kursk, exactly mirroring the Ukrainian stories of a Kharkov offensive, really focusing on the Kursk region.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 22:27 utc | 225

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240821/bidens-desperation-for-foreign-policy-win-explains-why-blinken-jumped-the-gun-on-gaza-deal-1119862969.html
Biden’s Desperation for ‘Foreign Policy Win’ Explains Why Blinken Jumped the Gun on Gaza Deal
Simple explanation… if the shoe fits…

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 21 2024 22:28 utc | 226

Posted by: just some idiot | 240
What’s the difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian? For hundreds of years they were the same country, they speak the same language, you put them into a lineup and you can’t tell which is which.
So the math the planners in the UK and NATO apply is that if 10 Ukrainians die to kill one Russian = 11 dead Russians. The Ukrainian people are completely and utterly expendable to them. People are already saying they are done as a people and a nation based on low birth rates and mass male deaths. NATO will happily fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Posted by: Moonraker | Aug 21 2024 22:28 utc | 227

KIEVS KURSK ADVENTURE HAS “FAILED” TO DRAW RUSSIAN TROOPS FROM DONBAS
To the dismay of the Kiev Regime, Russian Armed Forces have continued to maintain their main contingent in Ukraine. “Ukraine’s adventure into the Kursk Region, designed to diminish the combat capabilities of the Russian army in other key areas, has completely failed,” said one source from the front.
“This is evidenced by Russian successes in the battles for Toretsk,” she said. “Today, Russian Armed Forces have begun the battle for the city, contradicting the narrative pushed by the Ukrainian elite to justify their own failures.”
Interestingly, even Ukrainian propaganda is acknowledging that Kiev is seriously losing to Moscow not only in equipment but also in personnel numbers. “Ukrainian officers themselves admit that their own command has jeopardized the defence of Ukraine” she continued.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 21 2024 22:04 utc | 236
Interesting hermie. the ukrainians seem to have dropped any kind of defence of their own people in donbas for a pr offensive in kurst

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Aug 21 2024 22:29 utc | 228

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 20:40 utc | 181
Just to be sure, your numbers for q3, 2024 is
18,100 Russian v. 208,160 Ukrainian q3, 2024
?
If you look at your numbers for the quarter ending June 2022, you have 3,950. If you look at the count for Medianzona for that time period it is 5,146 as of August 1st 2024.
Thus I think your numbers for Russian KIA are low and high for Ukrainian KIA.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 21 2024 22:30 utc | 229

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 21 2024 22:28 utc | 260
Oops. In my mind, Gaza became Kursk. Sorry.
(Going through a nasty local flu…)

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 21 2024 22:31 utc | 230

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:13 utc | 243
“Am I a Jew?” How low can you get?!
An ambiguous answer.

Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 21 2024 22:32 utc | 231

Ukrainian front is collapsing in the Donbass
The collapse of Ukrainian defences and the advance of Russian troops continues all over Donbass. According to a source, the weakness of the AFU leads to the fact that they may soon lose the strategically important Donetsk city of Pokrovsk, which, in turn, will create a real threat of loss of other settlements held by the AFU.
The fall of Pokrovsk will be the biggest strategic success of the current Russian offensive.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 21 2024 21:27 utc | 213
objectives of russian military are panning out. how lomng it takes to liberate the administrative areas on luhansk, donetsk, zaparozhia and kherson is anyones guess i suppose, but its going in the right direction, i think.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Aug 21 2024 22:33 utc | 232

One-legged militant discharged due to pregnancy
As a result of the medical examination, he was given two diagnoses that exempted him from military service. A neurologist diagnosed him with a “complaint about the absence of the left lower limb” (precisely – a “complaint!!!!” Degtyar clarifies). The surgeon issued a conclusion about the pregnancy.
Needless to say, the militant was not pregnant. It is probably obvious.
Degtyar believes that this is “disrespect for veterans.” We believe that this is a combination of incompetence, pressure from above, and a huge workload on the TCC doctors, through whose hands hundreds of people pass every day. Which leads to such results: “pregnant” men, fit tuberculosis patients, and so on.
@Slavyangrad

Posted by: boneless | Aug 21 2024 22:37 utc | 233

Posted by: Moonraker | Aug 21 2024 22:28 utc | 261
I guess if NATO have secret covens of necrotic wizards it makes sense, otherwise no.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 21 2024 22:37 utc | 234

An ambiguous answer.
Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 21 2024 22:32 utc | 265
Attacking someone on the basis of the color of his skin, his alleged race or his ethnicity should be off limits in a Socialist forum, but apparently not here. It just keeps deteriorating. Further I direct you to my answer @253.
Just for your information, I’m not the one acting the cunt here. I’m the one defending myself from the cunts. A reading from start to finish of this thread will prove this in full detail.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:38 utc | 235

“It’s hard to make predictions, particularly about the future.”
I don’t know what’s going on. I’m a guy in the West, trying to understand, operating in not only the (usual and ordinary) fog of war, but in an (intentionally amplified by NAFO trolls) fog of war.
I don’t know how long it will take for the Kursk groupings of the UAF to be eliminated. But I sure think they will be.
I don’t know how long it will take for the RFAF to take Pokrovsk. But I sure think they will.
I don’t know if F16s will be a game changer. But I sure think they won’t. (You know every Russian fighter jock, and every Russian air defense team, is SALIVATING at the prospect of F16s showing up.)
I don’t know that Russia is winning, and that NATO is losing . . . but I sure think that’s the case. I don’t know if Russia and China and Iran are at least sharing notes about where to poke the Golden Billion . . . but I sure think that’s the case.
“We’ll see. It might take a while to know for sure. Be of good cheer.”

Posted by: Hunsdon | Aug 21 2024 22:38 utc | 236

Ted from Liverpool | Aug 21 2024 22:33 utc | 266
A lot has to do with how under Russian law, the military can be used outside Russia’s borders.
I think that had a lot to do with the referendums. Under Russian law, they are now Russian territory so the military fighting within Russia. Same in Kursk. Only on the small fronts in Kharkov are Russian troops outside Russian borders.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 22:40 utc | 237

The trashbag b has banned before for being a crazy will likely dispensary only to reappear at some point under a new moniker.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 22:25 utc | 258

Anyway, yes, all the “trap” nonsense theories would have to assume the Russian command cynically left thousands of civilians potentially to suffer and die at the hands of the Nazis. I’d prefer to think they aren’t that cynical. Posted by: Tichy | Aug 14 2024 0:49 utc | 598

This waas always a trap to begin with. Posted by: AI | Aug 21 2024 17:12 utc | 47

“Russia didn’t care if its citizens were raped and murdered.” Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 18:06 utc | 83

Do you really believe that? Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 18:10 utc | 84

I was explaining AI’s only possible rationale for the statement that “this was all a trap.” Then again I guess it’s like 3am where you live so I’ll forgive you if you’re too drunk to pick up on the nuances. Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 18:55 utc | 102

This trashbag, instead of screaming and yelling at his own government being party to the murder of civilians in Kurst, instead allies with Nato propaganda and screams that the Russians don’t care if their civilians care raped and murdered.
Stinking piece of shit.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 19:21 utc | 124

Apologize, cunt.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:40 utc | 238

How much are Ukro soldiers payed? And the Rusdian soldiers?

Posted by: vargas | Aug 21 2024 22:40 utc | 239

I’ll respect the gentleman’s agreement if the cunt stops acting like a cunt.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:23 utc | 255
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btw there’s no such “gentleman’s agreement”, informal or otherwise.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 21 2024 22:41 utc | 240

@ Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 22:14 utc | 244
thanks jake.. there are more objective viewers here that some may believe or think..

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2024 22:43 utc | 241

btw there’s no such “gentleman’s agreement”, informal or otherwise.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 21 2024 22:41 utc | 274
Well yeah, I pretty much knew that, but it’s fairly astonishing how many insults and lies the Lord of the Flies can get away with, with barely anyone calling him on them. It’s all there in black and white and yet I’m the troll.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:44 utc | 242

Further to what I suggested at the beginning of the Kursk offensive, by covertly sucking out troops from the Donbass, it now seems clear that the Ukraine PTB and the AFU have tacitly given up on the Donbass fronts and of ever re-owning the DPR and LPR. I reckon they’ll still keep fighting against Kherson, Zap, Kharkov take-overs … for a while. But inevitably these too will become RF. But Kiev obviously seems to think that the Kursk operation is a better strategic gamble and use of resources.
Consider if/when Russia gets to the DPR and LPR borders and *MIGHT STOP ADVANCING* along those lines. Much of the AFU’s present defence troops there could then be redeployed for furthering attacks into Russia and/or attacking further north or south.
Who knows what the Ukies and NATO really have planned. Clearly, this SMO is far far from over. People really should stop saying “Ukraine is about to collapse”. Despite lots of equipment and troop kills by Russia, the US, NATO, other allies are successfully drip-feeding this forever war into a VERY UNFORSEEN FUTURE of escalation. My bet is that the F-16s and the secret accruing of other non-announced weapons will sometime, somewhere, make an even bigger blitz attack than the Kursk operation right where RF does not expect it in an attempt to “turn the tables” — successful or not. Yeah, sounds pessimistic, but blind attachment to the continual Pollyanna narrative about RF walking all over Ukraine is getting a bit staid. One wonders how, when, if, the Kremlin will decide to properly put a stop to the the Kievan/London/Washington/NATO fuckers.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 22:46 utc | 243

@ Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:44 utc | 278
do you really think the moa posters like watching this bitch fest between the two of you?? both of you would be doing everyone at moa a big favour if you stopped it – all of it.. that is my 2c’s on all the madness.. you both contribute to it and are both responsible for derailing moas forum..

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2024 22:47 utc | 244

Commander Alaudinov: Combat operations in the Kursk region will end within two to three months with complete defeat of Kievs forces
The fighting in the Kursk region will end within two to three months with the victory of the Russian army. This opinion was expressed by the commander of the Akhmat special forces, Apty Alaudinov.
The Russian general spoke with Chinese war correspondent Lu Yuguang, answering a number of questions about the situation in the Kursk direction, in particular, and in the Northwestern Military District zone in general. According to Alaudinov, the operation in the Kursk region will end in the next two or three months with the complete defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the Russian special operation could also end within the same timeframe, naturally with a Russian victory.
Alaudinov continued, “I think that in the next two or three months this will all be completed, and not only in the Kursk direction, but in the entire North Military District.”
“We are already witnessing the agony of the Kyiv regime,” the commander added “when Zelensky, realizing that the end is near, rushes into various adventures, wanting to extend his “presidency.” But the Zelensky regime will not save anything; its time is up, like the rest of post-Maidan Ukraine.”

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 21 2024 22:48 utc | 245

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 21 2024 22:42 utc | 276
AI did not seem to be replying to you.
Your reply to him appears as a proposition or affirmation (even if taken from your earlier comment).
> No, I intentionally put it in quotation marks.
Peter asked and you did not reply, and you still don’t
> Yes, I did. “I was explaining AI’s only possible rationale for the statement that “this was all a trap.””
i.e. if this was a trap then the Russian high command intentionally chose to sacrifice the civilians in the area attacked by the Ukrainians and defended by unprepared units with no prior evacuation. I have made this argument before. The Lord of the Flies seemed to have no problem with it at that time.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:49 utc | 246

@ Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 22:46 utc | 279
what is your suggestion for russia to as you say ‘put a stop to it’? i am curious if it would stop or escalate what is happening here..

Posted by: james | Aug 21 2024 22:50 utc | 247

Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 22:14 utc | 244
Not steam rolling but certainly still attacking. This is turning into a major Nato offensive rather than minor diversion.
With civilians evacuated – there seems to be some still in the area where the bridges behind them have been hit – but with civilians out the way, Russia has room to move.
Being out in the open and attacking, this is sucking up and consuming a large amount of Nato cannon fodder and equipment.
If there are civilians trapped where the bridges are down, the major risk is Nato targeting them as the troops evacuating them are getting them across the river.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 22:52 utc | 248

@ Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:44 utc | 278
do you really think the moa posters like watching this bitch fest between the two of you?? both of you would be doing everyone at moa a big favour if you stopped it – all of it.. that is my 2c’s on all the madness.. you both contribute to it and are both responsible for derailing moas forum..
Posted by: james | Aug 21 2024 22:47 utc | 280
I won’t accept Peter’s constant derailing of the forum any longer. I offered decent posts and analyses to the best of my ability until he told me to “piss off” because he had lost one of his four brain cells.
If Bernhard needs to ban, ban us both. I hope that won’t be necessary, but by god, if I get booted for a fight that he unjustly started?!

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:53 utc | 249

It took two full months of winter campaign for the U.S. Army to clear out the Bulge in 1945.
From then on prisoners were not taken unless officers were on the spot

Posted by: paddy | Aug 21 2024 22:53 utc | 250

I stepped outside my door today, a walk to work, not far away. The friendly folks, with folksy smiles, with folksy waves, with folksy whiles, they seemed so pleased and so carefree. So dare I say, this troubled me. You see, I now drink heavily. And all should drink, you must agree.
But anyhow, I do digress. We’ve landed hard in quite the mess: America invades the Bear, but no one seems to really care. The monkey grew a massive brain to find more ways to dull the pain. and so I say to lad and lass: let’s hope for luck and raise a glass

Posted by: Sikuvit | Aug 21 2024 22:57 utc | 251

Oh and james @280
You show your allegiance or perhaps rather your fear. Of course you addressed your post to me. Not to Peter. That’d been a no-no.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:57 utc | 252

The plain fact is this:
PUTIN’S SUPPORT IN RUSSIA IS STRONGER THAN AT ANY TIME
Russians are not bleating cowards like those in the west. They rally around their leader if its for a righteous cause. And the liberation of Russian speaking areas in the phoney ukraine is certainly righteous. For near ten years, those people in east Ukraine have been subjected to terrorist attacks from the crims in Kiev.
Russian people have been watching the news broadcasts for 10 years. They know whats been going on there. people in the west know nothing of the previous 10 years. They dont even know that the current regime is only in power because of an illegal coup in 2014….NOT ELECTED.

Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Aug 21 2024 23:03 utc | 253

William Gruff @ 214 / HERMIUS @ 281
Sometimes I have doubts and wonder if the RuMoD is shitting us all, but then I see the troll incursion that started exactly when the AFU got hung up in Kursk and it’s pretty clear Alaudinov isn’t shitting anyone.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2024 23:03 utc | 254

This waas always a trap to begin with.
Posted by: AI | Aug 21 2024 17:12 utc | 47
“Russia didn’t care if its citizens were raped and murdered.”
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 18:06 utc | 83

Your comment is disgusting.
It will end the smo sooner because in Kursk the ukronazis are more exposed than inside the bunkers they built during 8 years. It will save many soldier lives.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 21 2024 23:04 utc | 255

“Biden Approved Secret Nuclear Strategy Refocusing on Chinese Threat. In a classified document approved in March, the president ordered U.S. forces to prepare for possible coordinated nuclear confrontations with Russia, China and North Korea.”
……..
I had noticed something on this when scrolling through a number of accounts and mentioned it earlier, perhaps in the last thread.
Martyanov covers it plus more or less the state of the US nation when it comes to weapons development ect.
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2024/08/while-inevitable-unfolds.html

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 23:09 utc | 256

Big Serge has the most level headed analysis of the Kursk adventure. The question of why remains, and I’m coming to the idea that the Donbas is lost. The Russians are almost past the 2014 fortification lines. The terrain changes from forested hills around lots of settlements that often blend together to open fields with far fewer settlements. The ever-increasing pace of Russian advances is very likely to get faster.
Kursk oblast is a (near) last ditch attempt upset Russia’s balance. It was, like Kharkov ‘22, a relatively lightly defended section of the Russian lines. It lent itself to NATO tactics of fast, highly mobile light mechanized infantry. A very deep push and some consolidation of several large settlements could relieve pressure in the Donbas. And so the best of what Ukraine has was put to this. Cobbled together units, freshly NATO trained, brand new equipment arrivals, lots of prestigious air defense and missile systems. But it needed to be much more successful, much faster than it has been.
Russia failed to nip in the bud but has responded well since then. The problem for Kiev is that it didn’t relieve pressure on the Donbas front at all. So over the next few weeks difficult decisions will need to be made about where to put dwindling resources. Based on Kiev’s behavior, we should expect a much weaker attack in the south against a much stronger Russian line. And then things go badly for Kiev very quickly.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 21 2024 23:10 utc | 257

Today Pokrovsk…tomorow Kramatorsk!
Today Pokrovsk…tomorow Kramatorsk!
Today Pokrovsk…tomorow Kramatorsk!

Posted by: Bam Bam | Aug 21 2024 23:14 utc | 258

what is your suggestion for russia to as you say ‘put a stop to it’? i am curious if it would stop or escalate what is happening here..
Posted by: james | Aug 21 2024 22:50 utc | 283
Well.. Everything that’s been done to date has escalated rather than stopped it. I mean, I don’t know jack shit, but I could make a suggestion as your regular armchair warrior.
Bomb the Ukrainian railways and establish a no-fly zone over all of the Ukraine, as in, “anything moving in the air not transmitting a recognized signal is a valid target.” It’s immaterial if it can be upheld indefinitely or to perfection, what’s important is that the order is given and that any aircraft approaching the Ukraine without a valid identification should be considered a military target.
Shut down the pipelines. Freeze trade with the EU and the United States altogether. I’d add “bomb the NATO airfields housing the Ukronazi fighters” but I know that would get the crowd’s panties in a twist. “The enemy is both absolutely impotent and incredibly dangerous.”

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 23:16 utc | 259

Your comment is disgusting.
It will end the smo sooner because in Kursk the ukronazis are more exposed than inside the bunkers they built during 8 years. It will save many soldier lives.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 21 2024 23:04 utc | 291
So now my comment is disgusting for a different reason? Because I didn’t think that the Russian command would willingly sacrifice thousands of civilians on a gamble? Or are you still brainwashed by the Lord of the Flies?

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 23:18 utc | 260

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 22:38 utc | 269
‘Attacking someone on the basis of the color of his skin, his alleged race or his ethnicity should be off limits in a Socialist forum, but apparently not here. It just keeps deteriorating. Further I direct you to my answer @253.’
I agree that Hobo 3’s question @235 could be construed as anti-semitic. You should have called him out on that.
I don’t understand why you think this bar is a ‘Socialist’ forum. There are a wide range of political opinions expressed on this site.
‘Just for your information, I’m not the one acting the cunt here. I’m the one defending myself from the cunts. A reading from start to finish of this thread will prove this in full detail.’
I’ve read the whole thread. The ‘conversation’ between you and Peter AU1 is not what this forum was intended for (read b’s bar rules).

Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 21 2024 23:19 utc | 261

Posted by: Bam Bam | Aug 21 2024 23:14 utc | 295
Its getting worse by the hour for ukraine in the donbass region. Kyivs given up defending their people who live there. Theyre on the run apparently.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Aug 21 2024 23:19 utc | 262

This can’t be a NYT error, but propaganda.
Posted by: Carlton Meyer | Aug 21 2024 15:37 utc | 13

NYT runs propaganda.
Of whatever type their masters wish.
“All the News That Fits What Our Masters Need It To Fit”

Posted by: Dogtired | Aug 21 2024 23:21 utc | 263

Today Pokrovsk…tomorow Kramatorsk!
Posted by: Bam Bam | Aug 21 2024 23:14 utc | 295
Err…mi thinks it’ll be a few months before they reach kramatosk. That will be a victory as it was where the donbas revolution against kiev started in 2014. Strelkov had his forces there, and I think Motorola was there too.

Posted by: Ted from Liverpool | Aug 21 2024 23:22 utc | 264

The Russian Federation’s large force of conscripted and trained troops are now being moved up to face the AFU and are getting battle tested. The conditions aren’t desperate, so they will get breaks, be well fed, and have minor wounds treated by the at the ready medics and doctors. At the end of the day, a few months from now, the RF forces will be salty veterans, and a great number of the AFU’s most elite soldiers, pulled from when they are desperately needed, will be corpses or disabled. The RF will take losses, and while it sounds brutally cynical, the fact will be that those casualties will be among troops who weren’t scheduled for combat. Ditto that for the equipment lost by both sides.
Russia Federation offensives won’t miss a beat.
“And the band played on …”
https://youtu.be/-iwLvmPUEo4?si=f96UpUy8z_Sm5iUW

Posted by: Babel-17 | Aug 21 2024 23:23 utc | 265

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 20:40 utc | 181
Just to be sure, your numbers for q3, 2024 is
18,100 Russian v. 208,160 Ukrainian q3, 2024
?
If you look at your numbers for the quarter ending June 2022, you have 3,950. If you look at the count for Medianzona for that time period it is 5,146 as of August 1st 2024.
Thus I think your numbers for Russian KIA are low and high for Ukrainian KIA.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 21 2024 22:30 utc | 263
They sometimes get late, I have 15.150 for RF KIA from start of SMO to end of june 2022. Still looks too little?
The AFU numbers are straight from the MoD numbers (if the site is right)

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 23:26 utc | 266

@ArmchairW
One thing we already know is that it’s not going to encounter increased resistance. Ukr did receive new Western AD, but, naturally, being the dumbasses that they are, they brought it to the front in an aggressive role, instead of keeping it in the rear to defend their infrastructure – and along the way got it destroyed.
F16s are too few in number to make a difference.
We also know Russia has potentially a four figure number stock of cruise & ballistic missile right now.
If I was Russia, I’d finish off the last parts of the Ukrainian energy system, meaning the transformer stations / substations and supply lines from abroad and from the remaining NPPs, and throw Ukraine back to the Stone Age. It could be done with a tiny fraction of their missile stock.
Yes, that will cause massive civilian suffering, but a) NATO, the self proclaimed good guys, always destroy the enemy’s infrastructure right at the start of their wars b) by now everyone in Ukraine can be seen as complicit to their illegal coup regime, if only by not actively resisting it.
But that’s the most obvious move. With Russia, it’s a game of chess, and they rarely seem to choose the most obvious angle of attack, and they always seem to consider all the options. For example, massive refugee waves caused by a Russian attack might alienate Europe even further, where there are still strong pro-Russian factions, as well as potentially weaken Chinese support, ..

https://x.com/s_t_o_n_e_e_h/status/1826069389638254988
The bold part is something I thought worth highlighting about Putins Russia.
It is nearly impossible to predict what Russia/Putin will do in any given situation or at any particular time.
I guess if we could, then so could the empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2024 23:26 utc | 267

I’ve read the whole thread. The ‘conversation’ between you and Peter AU1 is not what this forum was intended for (read b’s bar rules).
Posted by: Siddhartha | Aug 21 2024 23:19 utc | 298
I am aware. I will stop this diversion for now, until such a time a cunt will try to attack me again in this very thread.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 23:28 utc | 268

Putin and Russia have escalated what I’m calling the Values War, or perhaps that ought to be the Lack of Values War, as yesterday Putin issued Ukaz #702 which implemented the “Strong Idea for the New Times” suggested back in February to ease the difficulties involved in emigrating to Russia as a “Values Refugee.” “Putin & Russia Escalate on the Values Front”. Martyanov announced it with a big splash, but TASS was the only English language Russian media to report the event. However, the event didn’t go unnoticed by global media; I cite a few examples.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 21 2024 23:30 utc | 269

Putin and Russia have escalated what I’m calling the Values War, or perhaps that ought to be the Lack of Values War, as yesterday Putin issued Ukaz #702 which implemented the “Strong Idea for the New Times” suggested back in February to ease the difficulties involved in emigrating to Russia as a “Values Refugee.” “Putin & Russia Escalate on the Values Front”. Martyanov announced it with a big splash, but TASS was the only English language Russian media to report the event. However, the event didn’t go unnoticed by global media; I cite a few examples.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 21 2024 23:30 utc | 306
This is a very welcome move and one I thought that Russia would announce earlier. Why live in a country and fight for a country that treats you like shit?

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 21 2024 23:34 utc | 270

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 20:40 utc | 181
Just to be sure, your numbers for q3, 2024 is
18,100 Russian v. 208,160 Ukrainian q3, 2024
?
If you look at your numbers for the quarter ending June 2022, you have 3,950. If you look at the count for Medianzona for that time period it is 5,146 as of August 1st 2024.
Thus I think your numbers for Russian KIA are low and high for Ukrainian KIA.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 21 2024 22:30 utc | 263
Sorry, hit the post with only the answer to you last question
We’re still, roughly , in the middle of q3 2024
Q3 2024 is still a guesstimate for RF. I only have RF numbers until end of may 2024.
And AFU Q3 2024 is and extrapolation of what the MoD has presented so far.
But yes, from some comments about casualties in Kursk I added 500 to each month for RF KIA (still no new data so don’t know if the increase in the AFU will also increase RF KIA, might have to add 600 to each month)
As I mentioned before I’m using only my best RF KIA estimate for months until 05/2024
Hope it helps
P.S. Yes, AFU KIA don’t look good for them, they’re basically bleeding at 6 times what they bled on average in the first year. Life’s a bitch 😀
P.P.S. And they’re facing and army almost half a magnitude bigger, karma…

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 21 2024 23:34 utc | 271

Posted by: Sikuvit | Aug 21 2024 22:57 utc | 287
Very nice! Even if ChatGPT could generate that, it wouldn’t be able to do the content.
The nosie-to-singal ratio hereabouts is definitely seeing an uptick, but perhaps it was always this way…

Posted by: Turdworld | Aug 21 2024 23:35 utc | 272

The plain fact is this:
PUTIN’S SUPPORT IN RUSSIA IS STRONGER THAN AT ANY TIME
Russians are not bleating cowards like those in the west. They rally around their leader if its for a righteous cause. And the liberation of Russian speaking areas in the phoney ukraine is certainly righteous. For near ten years, those people in east Ukraine have been subjected to terrorist attacks from the crims in Kiev.
Russian people have been watching the news broadcasts for 10 years. They know whats been going on there. people in the west know nothing of the previous 10 years. They dont even know that the current regime is only in power because of an illegal coup in 2014….NOT ELECTED.
Posted by: The Flying Scotsman | Aug 21 2024 23:03 utc | 289
I most heartedly agree. And being a fellow Scot, I doubly endorse your post.

Posted by: Andy Mac | Aug 21 2024 23:38 utc | 273

RE: “And then things go badly for Kiev very quickly.”
Posted by: Lex | Aug 21 2024 23:10 utc | 294
Not so fast. Russia hasn’t begun even to secure Zaporizhzhya. Many areas left still to conquer & occupy. In some ways, the real threats to Russia have just begun. New usage of ATTCAMS on Russian soil, 1000s of drones at their disposal, Storm Shadows launched soon into Russian territory, plenty of terrorist bombings ahead. We’re well into 2025/2026 before any of this ends.
Only thing that might change that timeline, would be Russia scorch earthing Ukraine. And maybe after BRICS in October and a cold starving winter, Russia will decide on a decapitation strike on Kiev and end it all.
The “taken territories” frankly just mean more headaches and more money drain for Russia. Rebuilding, administrative personnel, more troops to protect, hiring police forces, pensions and employment for residents, not to mention health care. As I said, more costs, more headaches. They’ll finish with Donbas and then move slowly into Zaphorizea & Khearson. But the first 5-7 years, all they’ve taken on is money pits. Eventually they’ll get at all those resources, but right now, can’t even turn on the NPP and use its resources.
It’s why they need China, India, Saudi Arabia…. BRICS up and running.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 21 2024 23:42 utc | 274

Peter AU1 @ 293

Biden Approved Secret Nuclear Strategy Refocusing on Chinese Threat. In a classified document approved in March, the president ordered U.S. forces to prepare for possible coordinated nuclear confrontations with Russia, China and North Korea.

I saw that. It’s what happens when a driven, low IQ, utterly unprincipled, utterly corrupt, triple A certified a-hole finally goes senile. If there’s such a thing as One Dimesional Man Biden is the singularity. Assuming there are ranks whatever form of underworld demon Trump is he has to be better than the inchoate wanton demented one that Joe is. I’ll take Don Corleone over Tony Montana riding the nuke button any day.
Growing up in the duck and cover Cuban Missile Crisis ’60s you somehow figured incoming nuclear missiles would be some hyper tuned in, every channel screaming, every front page blazing, terrifying crescendo, actually it’ll hit when everyone in the EU is having mid morning espresso at the cafe and USA are at the mall eating Cinnabon. Won’t even know what hit them.

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50 posts. I call that spamming. You were banned once. I see no reason not to get rid of you a second time.
Your ego and narcissism are too obvious.
NO STONE UPON STONE LEFT OF LVIV! (#85)
And for that alone, I will call you a criminal against humanity of the nazi creed.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 21 2024 23:47 utc | 276

Ново З | Aug 21 2024 22:04 utc | 235
@Roger
Xi: “the world seeing changes not seen in a 100 years”
Iirc. He said it on a visit to Putin-Moscow. He was departing. He embraced Putin and said *we’re seeing/making changes for the next 100 years*
Obviously I don’t recall correctly the direct quote.
The “moment” was posted on many telegrams at the time…
——
Someone like Karlof1 would know. But I’ve noticed he’s posting here less.
I’m assuming because it’s harder and harder to step past the sewerage.
I’m not a bar luminary, but even I have now thought better of wasting my time posting items that in bar time past would have interested many, and been a catalyst for discussion….
Frustrating because it means the trolls and barfleas win.
Disruption of threads and exchange of observations gleaned from extrapolating from both msm and alternative sources. = this is the objective.
It’s frustrating to see long term barflies (who really should know better) take the bait…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 21 2024 23:51 utc | 277

what is your suggestion for russia to as you say ‘put a stop to it’? i am curious if it would stop or escalate what is happening here..
Posted by: james | Aug 21 2024 22:50 utc | 283
Lol. No “suggestions”. You can’t suck me into that! I’m no military prognosticator. And you may be right as a way to escalation.
It’s just that so many (of us, here) just WISH Russia would put a stop to it with a big fist (which I believe they still have in reserve). However, we minions must just trust the RFAF planners to work their attrition magic and (eventually) entrap the AFU so as to never get out. End result — a big win.
I think I see that that is the frustrating method behind their not putting a stop to it.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 23:54 utc | 278

Very late to this discussion. I must disagree with b that tactically this was a success as Ukies cannot afford to lose as many men and equipment in what clearly would become a loss and withdrawal to the start line or worse.
But then, I’ve advocated for Ukies to retreat behind the Dnieper for most of the year to save the remnants of their army and its equipment. Gotta protect those Black Rock assets it appears.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 21 2024 23:55 utc | 279

Trubind1 @ 311

In some ways, the real threats to Russia have just begun. New usage of ATTCAMS on Russian soil, 1000s of drones at their disposal, Storm Shadows launched soon into Russian territory, plenty of terrorist bombings ahead.

They won’t be used for civilian terrorism, military bases are pretty spread out and resilient. They’ll be used against Russia’s military industry, that will be the USA’s priority and where they’ve been headed on the escalation escalator.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 21 2024 23:55 utc | 280

Posted by: Turdworld | Aug 21 2024 23:35 utc | 309
Sincere thanks for reading, and thank you for reciprocating.
We monkeys, I think, go insane for reasons that we deny are even extant as the stone of history grinds onward.
Fwiw, I always dreamed of a career in the arts. Even took a couple of valid stabs, but blue collar life was my fate but it turned out ok and it takes care of my lover. But now I see that society is changing in unknowable ways, and livestock management will be the future if there is actually a future. AI will be perfect for that, but for all the bells and whistles a machine is still just a machine. Without the chemical insanity, without the biological drives to reproduce, and without the ape-honed towers of received inanity and the resultant networks of self-generated pain, no AI will ever replace a living wannabe artist to the true connoisseur.

Posted by: Sikuvit | Aug 21 2024 23:58 utc | 281

Melaleuca | Aug 21 2024 23:51 utc | 314–
Thanks for your kid words. Here’s the exchange as cited by Al-Jazeera:

“Right now there are changes – the likes of which we haven’t seen for 100 years – and we are the ones driving these changes together,” Xi told Putin as he stood at the door of the Kremlin to bid him farewell.
The Russian president responded: “I agree.”

Yes, the Values War exists at MoA too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 22 2024 0:05 utc | 282

Melaleuca @ 314
My guess is the free soda and pizza internships and 7.25/hr 20hr week troll schedule got upped to $13/hr 40/hrs a week across the board. Probably got a sandwich board man recruiting on the sidewalk in town at Langley too. Land of opportunity, who says the Biden economy is a fraud?
Don’t give up, if you give up you lose.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 0:09 utc | 283

Looking at a map, in the areas where Nato are attacking, it looks as though they want to follow the river around until it crosses the border back into Ukraine.
It will take a number of small towns but certainly nothing strategic. It will give the river as a natural defence line, but so long as Russia can evacuate the civilians, it will be a free fire zone and Russia has the firepower. A frontline that will suck up cannon fodder to keep it manned.
Nato constantly feeding scarce cannon fodder in now for the offensive – because the need to draw Russian forces away from elsewhere where the F-16s will be used? To get the nod from the US to use the F16s to strike into Russia? That is certainly what Bojo is pushing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 0:12 utc | 284

It’s just that so many (of us, here) just WISH Russia would put a stop to it with a big fist (which I believe they still have in reserve).
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 23:54 utc | 316
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That “so many” are the emotionally incontinent kids. It’s not the adults at the bar.
Everything will be resolved at the appointed time and not a day sooner. I’m not one of those autists who launch into WW1 history at the drop of a hat in the bar, but I do know that the SMO is not exactly groundbreaking when recent human history is taken into account.
The SMO is not a movie or video game. Yes, Russian civilians will die. This is war.
Ukrainian civilians have died too. In Afghanistan, civilians died. In Iraq, civilians were bombed under “Shock and Awe’.
No one should be happy the innocent are dying. Under conditions of armed conflict between superpowers, a lot of innocent people are going to die. Russia cannot “end it” until America is exhausted (financially and/or politically) or has policy changes at the top of the bureaucracies. No amount of bombing or use of nukes will accelerate those conditions.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 22 2024 0:15 utc | 285

And Bernard’s ‘moderation’ is beyond pathetic and incompetent. It’s Cowardly.
Posted by: EC | Aug 22 2024 0:08 utc | 323
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At various times in the past I’ve also remarked negatively about the site owner’s sporadic policing, and expressed the wish that he delegate some of his powers. That much said, perhaps you’re new here and unaware that he’s recuperating from serious heart surgery. Recovery from such surgery is measured in months and demands a minimum of labor and stress. It’s likely that he’s working too much right now just by simply writing blog posts.
So have a heart and, for the time being at least, cut the guy some slack.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 22 2024 0:25 utc | 286

But then, I’ve advocated for Ukies to retreat behind the Dnieper for most of the year to save the remnants of their army and its equipment. Gotta protect those Black Rock assets it appears.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 21 2024 23:55 utc | 317
Now it’s too late. If I were an AFU south of zaporizhea or east of poltova… I’d worry
Maybe the f16 are there to try smd give some air cover to the routed AFU .

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 22 2024 0:27 utc | 287

The thought just occured to me that Kiev’s/West’s longer plan might be, as obviously stated, to threaten and attack, plus appear to threaten anywhere and everywhere along the whole Russian borderlands to obviously either force troop transfers to defend the whole border AND/OR to cause full RF mobilisation. That would then elevate it from SMO to war, thus bringing the US/NATO overtly into Ukraine.
It would also put any Odessa takeover further on RF’s backburner. Every day passing I’ll bet (the French down there) are establishing defences for Odessa.
In summary, the West ain’t backing off at all, and after 2.5 years are building up to more imports, more attacks, more syrategies to tie up and thwart RF strategies.

Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 0:30 utc | 288

karlof1 | Aug 22 2024 0:05 utc | 320
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And there you have it @bar.
Karl, with the exact quote and a source.
Thank you Karl. And congrats on your substack, which I see cited by Escobar almost frequently.
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Can we please, collectively, focus on what this @bar does so well…. Cutting through the obfuscation of msm to what is really being inflicted on us .. all of globally?
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Right now I’m observing the U$ military occupy almost 2/3 of my country.
Military bases are springing up like mushrooms in a cowpat after rain.
The state of Western Australia is now almost fully controlled by the soft power forces of the U$.
And South Australia and the Northern Territory are also now being subsumed.
No one notices.
Thus no one cares…
The U$ wants war with China, and Australia has already been designated the missile “lillypad”.
No good will come to us from this.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 22 2024 0:32 utc | 289

@ EC | Aug 22 2024 0:08 utc | 323
Another thing: While I don’t have the relevant comment at hand (Typepad search functionality is abysmally bad) I do recall that for the time being the site owner is banning only on account of sockpuppetry and username theft, and even then only when instances are called to his attention via email. Garden-variety trolling is not at present a bannable offense.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 22 2024 0:33 utc | 290

Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 0:30 utc | 335
Yeah. There’s something going.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 0:36 utc | 291

@ Jake Blanchard | Aug 21 2024 23:54 utc | 316
thanks jake.. that is a fair response and i think you realize there are many unknowns – too many for us to say with any authority that we know the best way to move forward here.. so – thanks for your response.. and i agree with your conclusion at the bottom @ 335.. as i have said, and as others like pepe escobar has said – we are in the early innings or chapters of a developing and much longer war here.. the basis for this is finances as i see it… it started that way and it may have to end that way too..

Posted by: james | Aug 22 2024 0:37 utc | 292

Tichy | Aug 22 2024 0:25 utc | 330
*** it quickly becomes obvious that Abimael Guzman actually thought himself the “most advanced being in the Universe.” ***
Didn’t Guzman eventually turn out to be a long time employee of the CIA?

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 22 2024 0:37 utc | 293

Interesting reports of a Britkrainian Airborne Assault being used in the Kursk Expedition. Was wondering how they would get the drop on the ZNPP……time will tell. Looks like next big Britkrainian push will be south….
Holy Bat Crap can you imagine the squeals and squaks should the Britkrainian’s capture not one, but two NPPs. Cue….nails screeching on chalk board……cut.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 22 2024 0:40 utc | 294

I’m not one of those autists who launch into WW1 history at the drop of a hat in the bar
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 22 2024 0:15 utc | 328
Let’s see… tried estimating population , war duration from WWI, same for protest dates.
LoveDonbass I was never mean to you!
In summary, the West ain’t backing off at all, and after 2.5 years are building up to more imports, more attacks, more syrategies to tie up and thwart RF strategies.
Posted by: Jake Blanchard | Aug 22 2024 0:30 utc | 335
Jake, if they keep up, or escalate , the Kursk capper … there won’t be enough meat to feed the monster.
November or February … either that or they have to go vegan.., or polish

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 22 2024 0:40 utc | 295

Thousands of Ukrainian men escape US war by swimming over a 300 foot wide river between Ukr and Romania though dozens have drowned: “Though draft-age men are banned from leaving the country, tens of thousands have fled since the beginning of the war in February 2022, according to the border authorities of neighboring countries.
At least 15,000 have escaped through Romania, according to the Romanian border patrol police. One escape route is
the Tisza River, [a portion of the river…is less than 300 feet across]
which separates Romania from Ukraine for 39 miles….Dozens have drowned. Others are badly injured.”…8/21/24, “On a river between Ukraine and the EU, border guards search for draft evaders,” NPR… https://www.iowapublicradio.org/news-from-npr/2024-08-21/on-a-river-between-ukraine-and-the-eu-border-guards-search-for-draft-evaders

Posted by: susan mullen | Aug 22 2024 0:43 utc | 296

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 22 2024 0:05 utc | 321
Ad personam fallacies.
And yes, you are a criminal against humanity of the nazo creed. Or of the NAtional-ZIonist creed, because what you want for Lvov is what is currently happening in Gaza.
Now I’m a Nazi for wanting to bomb the shit out of Nazis. The Nazis munching on the bread loaves made in the liking of the victims murdered on the Kerch Bridge. Sold in bakeries. The Nazis reveling in the murder of the Russian subhumans.
People of Lvov are not all nazis. And you are getting too emotional. It looks like you cannot control your emotions. Even Russian women and children can control their emotions. It is in their education. Read Chekhov. You submit to the western propaganda and you want that Russia will do exactly what the nazis and their supporters want: to commit war crimes and a crime against humanity. You have no value, nor dignity.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 22 2024 0:47 utc | 297

LoveDonbass @ 328

Everything will be resolved at the appointed time and not a day sooner… No amount of bombing or use of nukes will accelerate those conditions.

“Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. Have no fear for atomic energy, ’cause none of them can stop Jah time.”

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 22 2024 0:47 utc | 298

susan mullen | Aug 22 2024 0:43 utc | 347
More have likely escaped across the polish border but apparently that cost $10,000 so I’m not sure how many would have that amount of money. Not sure what it costs for guides/smugglers to get to the River. I assume many would try that way without paying.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 22 2024 0:49 utc | 299

Newbie@346…..not enough meat? How do you figure that out? For over two years they have even dying by the 10s, maybe even 100s of thousands, and they are still there. One FAB day at a time. Maybe Russian MOD numbers are off by percentages higher than they claim and Ukie, while dying ain’t dying that bad.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 22 2024 0:51 utc | 300