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August 12, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: The Kursk Incursion Was Stopped

On its seventh day the Ukrainian army incursion into the Russian Kursk oblast seems to have come to a halt. The front-lines are hardening and the Russian side is using its artillery and bombing predominance to push it back.

There are three Ukrainian brigades involved plus a number of battalions that have been dispatched away from their brigades involved in other parts of the front. The 80th and the 82nd paratrooper brigades are the main forces. They have partly been trained in Britain and Germany and are using western equipment. The 22nd mechanized brigade is the third major unit. Then there are some five to ten battalions from various other brigades.

The Economist reports (archived) on the operation from a hospital in Sumy:

[T]he accounts from Ukraine’s wounded suggest it has not been a walk in the park, and remains risky. The hospital ward reeks of the sacrifice: soil, blood, and stale sweat. Foil burn-dressings line the corridor. In the yard, the patients, some wrapped like mummies from head to toe in bandages, smoke furiously. Angol, a 28-year-old paratrooper with the 33rd brigade, looks like a Christmas tree. His left arm is immobilised in a fixation device. Tubes, bags and wires protrude from his body. He was also about 30km into Russia when his luck ran out. He isn’t sure if it was artillery or a bomb that hit him. Maybe it was friendly fire; there was a lot of that. All he can remember is falling to the ground and shouting “300”, the code for wounded. The Russians had been on the run up to then, he insists, abandoning equipment and ammunition as fast as they could.

That the Russia border troops have taken to run is not astonishing. They were mostly conscripts and not armed sufficiently to withstand an armored onslaught:

Some aspects of Ukraine’s operation appear to have been meticulously planned. Operational security delivered the element of surprise, a crucial aspect of warfare. “We sent our most combat-ready units to the weakest point on their border,” says a general-staff source deployed to the region. “Conscript soldiers faced paratroopers and simply surrendered.” But other aspects of the operation indicate a certain haste in preparation. All three soldiers quoted in this article were pulled, unrested, from under-pressure front lines in the east with barely a day’s notice.

The Ukrainian army moved in with the best troops it still had plus some extras scrapped from the bottom of its barrel. Russian units which have been moved to the border have put a halt to the Ukrainian movement. Mobile reconnaissance platoons the Ukrainians have been sending down the roads to outlaying towns have mostly been eliminated. The huge progress seen on some Ukraine friendly maps now looks much smaller. Some 30 small settlements have been captured but even the local administration center Sudzha, with previously 6,000 inhabitants, has not been fully conquered.

A new Ukrainian attempt today to cross the border at the Kolotilovka checkpoint in the Belgograd region has failed and the Ukrainian units involved there have taken losses.

Russia has thus mostly contained the Ukrainian onslaught. The operation is now a new meat grinder like Krinky on the southern front previously was. An operationally isolated attrition pit into which the Ukrainians will have to feed more and more reserves they do not have or will retreat from treeline by treeline.

Russian drones and bombers are now leading the fight. The Russian Ministry of Defense claims that the Ukrainian incursion has lost much of its armored equipment (machine translation):

In total, during the fighting in the Kursk area, the enemy lost up to 1,610 servicemen, 32 tanks, 23 armored personnel carriers, 17 infantry fighting vehicles, 136 armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, four anti-aircraft missile systems, a multiple launch rocket launcher and 13 field artillery pieces.

The Ukrainian side knew of the danger that its operation could be a dead end. As the Economist writes:

Ukraine does not appear to be reinforcing its positions in any serious sense. “Our calf demands a wolf,” the security source cautions, using a local saying to warn against overly ambitious objectives.

The source cautions against comparing the Kursk incursion to Ukraine’s successful swift recapture of much of Kharkiv province in late 2022. The Russian army is taking the war more seriously now, he says: “The danger is we’ll fall into a trap, and Russia will grind our teeth down.”

It seems to me that this is exactly what has now happened. It was utterly foreseeable.

The operation though is a momentarily still a success in that it increased the moral of the Ukrainian side:

Tired, dirty and exhausted, the soldiers say they regret no part of the risky operation that has already killed scores of their comrades: they would rejoin it in a heartbeat. “For the first time in a long time we have movement,” says Angol. “I felt like a tiger.”

That week long rush of good news for Ukraine is now at its end. The involved units, which already lost a full brigade worth of equipment, will shrink away further. There will be no one to replace them. In the Donbas the Russian army continues its offensive against the weakened and retreating Ukrainian units. New York, Chasiv Yar and Toretsk will soon be taken.

There will soon be questions asked in Kiev, "What was the point?", to which no one will have a good answer. The Ukrainian commander in chief General Syrski may well have to leave over it even though the pressure to do the hopeless operation came, as The Times writes (archived), from elsewhere:

President Zelensky’s personal fingerprints are all over it. It’s been an open secret in Kyiv for many months that the president was pressing his military chiefs to launch a summer offensive.

Given Ukraine’s manpower and resources problems, they were hesitant. But Zelensky is desperate to reverse the narrative that Ukraine is losing its war.

Zelenski believed the Kursk operation would help to keep the war going with Russia failing over time and Ukraine becoming the winner. The Russian Duma announced today that there will not be another mobilization. A mobilization, and following unrest, is something Zelenski had hoped for. There will be no uprising in Russia because of the Kursk incursion, just an increase in nationalism.

The week long operations was certainly insufficient to do change the long term narrative. The high it has caused in Kiev and elsewhere will soon make room for a deep depression.

Comments

… mentioned a credible source stating that it was indeed a trap …
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 13 2024 18:31 utc | 484

With what motive? The property damage and harm to civilians seems excessive for a Russian ploy.
All the Ukrainian forces and equipment being used in Kursk were going to end up dead and smashed anyway, give or take, they are arguably giving Ukraine a better chance of securing more financial and material support in their current role so this “hastening the end” argument doesn’t appear substantial. Putin can switch people out, create new roles, whatever, without the need of a border engagement as pretext.
This border incursion’s not the end of the world, it’s small fry by the scale of the conflict, but it’s dumb and a lot more hassle than it should’ve been.
All that matter from a Ukrainian perspective is that it secures more financial and material support. If it does it’s a success for them and the conflict is prolonged.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 13 2024 19:16 utc | 501

@ Lev Davidovich | Aug 13 2024 18:52 utc | 493
exactly.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 19:17 utc | 502

Scorpion @ 498
Bah, no one anywhere, Whitehouse, Pentagon, Downing Street, Whitehall, Brussels and certainly not in the AFU command gives Zelensky the time of day. He’s a B grade character actor in a role that went sour, ratings tanked, test audience said The Star is a creepazoid, so impossible to jump the shark and save, so he’s being written out of the next season. Be fun to see what the writers come up with.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 19:17 utc | 503

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 13 2024 18:59 utc | 496
Quoting Sputnik News:

The United States consider former Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov* as a suitable candidate to replace Volodymyr Zelensky, the Russian Intelligence Service said.

Lol! It seems the Russians want interior minister Avakov to die in a helicopter accident.
See what happened to former interior minister Denys Monastyrskyi.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 13 2024 19:18 utc | 504

He’s a B grade character actor in a role that went sour, ratings tanked, test audience said The Star is a creepazoid, so impossible to jump the shark and save, so he’s being written out of the next season. Be fun to see what the writers come up with.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 19:17 utc | 504
We shouldn’t pay for a fourth season. The show should be cancelled.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 19:25 utc | 505

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 19:09 utc | 500
Putin’s number is 5 to 1. Yours looks to be almost 9 to 1.
Using your 700,000, then Russia has lost about 140,000 which isn’t that far out of line with some other people’s estimates on Russian losses.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 13 2024 19:27 utc | 506

Posted by: Roland | Aug 13 2024 18:48 utc | 489

Indeed, ignoring them will not make them go away.

I ignore them, it’s easy to ignore them, but they do play two roles here: (1) they increase traffic to the MoA website (facilitating discovery) and (2) they elicit some good replies (facilitating understanding).
Repliers though should know one thing about them: they are not sincere, they don’t believe in what they write, they just write to be disliked.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 13 2024 19:28 utc | 507

anon2020 @ 502

With what motive?

Russia has a history of sacrificing land, towns and buildings and civilians if it’s part of its long term plan to win the war.
Avdeyevka and Bakhmut were urban centers with pops in the tens of thousands and a mega bitch, Sumy is pop 250K. Sumy has to be taken to have any calm in Russia or the Donbas. What better way to take it than to empty out the garrison and fight them on open farm land?
The peanut gallery will have to sit tight a few months until season two comes.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 19:31 utc | 508

This essay explains why Russia fights a metaphysical war,

Victory as Existence
by Alexander Dugin (@Agdchan)
Winners are not judged. Everyone else is. The only exception is made for winners. For our truth to prevail — in both the grandest sense (civilizational, philosophical, religious) and the smallest (simple facts like shelling, casualties, invasions, attacks on nuclear facilities) — we must, at the very least, win.
War affects the very nature of existence. It is war that decides what exists and what does not. This is the metaphysical aspect of war — it can erase something from existence or bring it into being. As Heraclitus said, war makes one person a master and another a slave. The winner becomes the master and therefore exists. The loser either ceases to exist or becomes a slave, and being a slave is worse than not existing at all.
That is why it is pointless to be outraged by the behavior of modern Germany or Japan — because they lost World War Two, they are now slaves of the West; they effectively do not exist.
After the Cold War, Russia found itself in the position of a slave — thanks to Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and the liberal reformers. And thanks to everyone who supported these traitors and obediently lined up at McDonald’s.
There is a principle in church law: “to treat it as if it had never happened.” This is not a judgment of truth but a judgment of existence. Maybe something existed in some sense, but the church fathers command that it be abolished, reduced to nothing. The fathers, who rule over the present and have triumphed in it, freely and sovereignly, like masters, judge the past, deciding what really happened and what essentially did not.
This is how not only church fathers act, but also any ideology, any power. Orwell did not reveal any “totalitarian” paradox when he said, “who controls the present controls the past.” This is what everyone does, always. If someone wants to challenge a particular verdict on what was or was not, they only need to seize power — that is, to win.
Putin, like a geopolitical Spartacus, has led a rebellion to bring Russia out of non-existence. But Russia will only truly exist when it wins. Existence and victory are synonymous.
Russia is what will come to be.
P.S.: The fate of Ukraine also depends on this war. And it is not just a question of whether it will continue to exist (I hope not), but whether it ever truly existed at all. Existence is not proven by the past; it is determined in the present through the act of creating the future.
(This essay was translated from the Russian.)

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 19:31 utc | 509

With what motive?
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 13 2024 19:16 utc | 502

Several:
1) Draw out remaining equipment & reserves for destruction.
2) Formalize a “no negotations now, we’re taking everything” stance with the people’s full backing.
3) Use as cover to follow through on threat to start sending lots of weapons to Iran & Yemen and up the asymetric angle on NATO.
I was just throwing it out there as meat for discussion but again it is very odd how they just laid out the red carpet.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 13 2024 19:39 utc | 510

Would Russian nuclear weapons be even working ?
Russia got invaded and its government did nothing.
Posted by: Myrkâl | Aug 13 2024 19:13 utc | 501
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Exactly who do you want Russia to Nuke: The foreign troops that invaded Russia? That would include France, UK, US, and Polish forces, not to mention the UAF. Should Russia nuke them inside Russia, or should Russia nuke each country individually?
The Kursk affair is being resolved by the RUAF without a nuclear holocaust: Don’t you think your being a bit rash?

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 19:42 utc | 511

Somone is lying:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-kursk-incursion-we-dont-need-russian-land-2024-08-13/
Ukraine says it is still advancing in Russia’s Kursk region
The fact that there is still fierce fighting after a week leads me to believe there is some truth in what he’s saying.

Posted by: bored | Aug 13 2024 19:45 utc | 512

Using your 700,000, then Russia has lost about 140,000 which isn’t that far out of line with some other people’s estimates on Russian losses.
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 13 2024 19:27 utc | 507
Unlikely. I only have solid estimates until may 2024 and when I didn’t have may I was estimating 93k for end of june.
Now it could be as high as 100k but as low as 95k.
Until this exact number if I had to bet on a number for today (rounded, two significant digits) for RF KIA I’d say 110.000. But if I had to choose the same for ukraine I’d be tempted to say a nice round 1.000.000…. Yes I know it’s not the 5 to 1 that Putin mentioned some time ago, but my ratios for each semester might be as follow (remember we know jack shit about ukraine, let alone AFU, deaths. Only some extrapolation from data points where some info slipped) -10,7 -7,3 -13 -7,9 -6,1

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 19:46 utc | 513

I think what we are seeing during this “offensive” is a real time trial of NATO’s theoretical way of waging war.
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Around the time before the beginning of the SMO, there seemed to be a lot of “illustrative diagrams” from the US military showing various forms of hardware (tanks, troops, Radars, planes, missile launchers, satellites, command posts etc) all interconnected with jolly little coloured lines. Which were supposed to show lines of “instant” communication, giving overall conflict dominance and real time information. Including planning rapid moves and dispersed formations working together.
Looked good on paper I suppose.
Even the area now being used for fighting is the one (then said to be…) planned for the NATO/Ukraine thrust, into a weakly defended Kursk and then down to Belgord to take Rostov-on-Don from behind (Remember that?). Connecting with a thrust from Mariupol to isolate entirely the Donbas at the same time.
Relying on speed and movement to outmanoeuvre defenders.
Even better on paper, BUT if this technique is being used now – it has one serious default. All the “movements” etc, are dependent on unbreakable communications. I think that what may have happened is that the forces advancing were relying TOO heavily on Stalink. Once in the Russian EW area this “technical wonder waffler” became unusable.
It certainly worked BEFORE the crossing into Russia, as the cohesion and organising of the Ukes first advance was well done. (When Starlink was still operable).
They will still have some sort of protected communications, but from the number of Starlink kits, unpacked but never used, these were junked rapidly.
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Notice I said NATO rather than Uke forces, who by now are only walk on parts, even if sometimes experienced.
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Of course it will not be lost on the Russians that this was a genuine NATO attempt on Russia itself. NATO has “outed” itself.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 13 2024 19:48 utc | 514

@ Stonebird | Aug 13 2024 19:48 utc | 515
thanks stonebird.. yes indeed.. nato has outed itself here and elsewhere, but here especially..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 19:52 utc | 515

I offer thanks to b for this and all his posts, but feel we owe him an apology at this time, not just thanks. I’m ashamed scrolling through this and seeing the mess everyone has made.
Can we please return to the times at the bar when trolls and paid shills were ignored and scrolled past, rather than replied to and argued with?!
Presentation of facts is not going to change their minds or tune or job they’re compensated for. Presenting arguments or facts against the agitrop they post does not make you look wise or informed, rather the opposite.
There are even scripts on github I believe to eliminate anyone’s username from displaying, making it even easier to ignore them if you’re unable to control yourselves.
Disengagement is the way to preserve our tidy bar. No one will ever win an argument with a shill. It’s best to let their content sit avoided, walked around like a turd on the sidewalk to our bar rather than picking it up with your bare hands for no dang reason. It matters not your intention to relocate the turd to a sanitary factual dust bin blocking additional sidewalk space, we had no problem stepping around it until it could be properly removed if needed.. By the bar owner.
The sidewalk quickly becomes cluttered with more turds and then out of place dust bins spilling over making the sidewalk more difficult to pass than if one had just avoided the original otan turd not wasting a thought on it beyond the original disgust that such inhabitants exist amongst us that are so wretched and vile that they’d crap on the sidewalk to begin with. I DO understand the human urge to fight for truth, especially after a few drinks, but it would benefit everyone, at least the fantastic regulars we all come here to sit with, if yall would kindly take the fight outside (twitters or spacebook or wth ever idk idc) to prevent the obvious damage to the bar that results regardless of however awful the turd droppers are.
I do apologize for such vulgar analogies. I’m of course not against educated on-topic debate to those ideas worthy of and with those intellectuals worthy of engaging.
I don’t know if we need Rodney King standing at the door or jackbooted thugs but please imagine one or both at the entrance to remind yourselves of both the rules here and the un-stated rules that come along with basic common intellect and decency.
Sermon over. Apologies to b offered. Blessings.

Posted by: NJH | Aug 13 2024 19:56 utc | 516

Can we please return to the times at the bar when trolls and paid shills were ignored and scrolled past, rather than replied to and argued with?!
Posted by: NJH | Aug 13 2024 19:56 utc | 517
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Such times existed? when?
Myself, I think there’s a fine line between arguing with a troll and not letting an untruth go uncorrected. I’ll confess that I’m not the best person to use as an example of staying on the latter side of the line, but I really do believe that some untruths — especially the ones that seem plausible — should be challenged with honest information.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 20:01 utc | 517

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 12:48 utc | 361
“BTW Russian-Italian TG Youtuber Nicolai Lilin hazarded a guess that the strike on the NPP could be to freeze the conflict and force a desperate truce to contain a Chernobyl, giving Ukraine and NATO 2-3ys to regroup and rebuild. Bit drastic but it’s about the only thing I’ve seen that makes any sense, if 404’s crazier actions must make sense.”
The Ukrowermacht have been droning and shelling the Zaporozhye NPP since (from memory) May 2022.
Unless they have some strange notions of playing Meccano with the parts afterwards, it is fairly obvious to see that they were trying to destroy the site, create nuclear chaos, and blame Russia.
Probably also a sound reason why coked-up, delusional, psychotic sleazebags should not be in high office.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 13 2024 20:04 utc | 518

NATO is now waging chemical warfare on Ukraine’s citizens. Talk about scorched earth.

“A NEW TROUBLE IN THE SVO ZONE: A STRANGE DISEASE IS HAPPENING NIKOLAEV. THERE ARE ALREADY 12 THOUSAND INFECTED.”
A new problem has appeared in the NWO zone. Residents of Nikolaev and the region are being affected by a strange disease. People complain of headaches, heaviness in the chest and tightness in the throat. 12 thousand people became infected…
https://cont-ws.translate.goog/@wayfarervak/2866211?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2024 20:09 utc | 519

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 19:31 utc | 510

Maybe something existed in some sense, but the church fathers command that it be abolished, reduced to nothing. The fathers, who rule over the present and have triumphed in it, freely and sovereignly, like masters, judge the past, deciding what really happened and what essentially did not.

So Dugin has in common with Western ideology adherence to post-modernism. Reality is not what it is or was in fact, but what we make it to be in our heads (and force others to believe). Tsk. I remember a fat stateman from the USA expressed similar sentiments during Bush jr.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 13 2024 20:09 utc | 520

Russian Army Achieved New Victory In Pokrovsk Direction
Despite the attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to contain large Russian forces in battles in the Russian border Kursk region, the pace of Russian advance is growing on the Donbass frontlines. The Pokrovsk direction in the Donetsk People’s Republic remains one of the most dangerous for the Ukrainian military. More and more settlements are coming under Russian control one after another.
Russian troops are holding the initiative in the Donetsk direction, successfully grinding Ukrainian defenses. Currently, Russian forces took control of urban areas in Krasnogorovka. The town was turned into a large heavily fortified stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the outskirts of the Donetsk urban agglomeration.
Meanwhile, the Russian Army is completing the mop up operations on the northwestern outskirts of the town.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 13 2024 20:10 utc | 521

Stonebird @ 515
More than anything I think the AFU relied on Russia panicking and rushing towards the invaders in columns, copters and fighter bombers, all of which they were primed for. None of that happened which is why the AFU spread out and covered so much ground so fast – they just kept driving. Which is odd in itself, other than a blitz to the NPP what where their objectives and targets, undefendable micro farm towns?
The targets were to be leaden lumpen Russian orcs running at them which didn’t happen, and why the AFU spread out into nowhereland and their PR touted 1000sqkm taken – 1000sqkm of nowhereland. Either the RuMoD caught on quick, or they saw it coming. Finding out what happened in Kursk 2024 will be one of the more interesting books after the war.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 20:13 utc | 522

can somebody please restore the backups of minsk and N$2?
and NATO raus aus der schweiz!

Posted by: COViDiOT | Aug 13 2024 20:17 utc | 523

@ malenkov 518
Touché brother, touché.
Fine-lines exist and I know for certain yourself, and most others are capable of making the decisions of when to engage. A few days or weeks ago a Palestine & an Ukraine open threads were opened together, the paid disrupters clearly were directed to one rather than the other. May we all use due diligence to behave in a manner that best serves the interests of good and truth and our community. Especially with b unable to spend as much time with the mop in his hand right now. Thank you.

Posted by: NJH | Aug 13 2024 20:19 utc | 524

So Dugin has in common with Western ideology adherence to post-modernism. Reality is not what it is or was in fact, but what we make it to be in our heads (and force others to believe). Tsk. I remember a fat stateman from the USA expressed similar sentiments during Bush jr.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 13 2024 20:09 utc | 521
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So, Alexander Dugin is a Karl Roveian? We make our own reality Karl Rove? Who would have thunk?

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 20:31 utc | 525

⚡️🇷🇺 Kursk Bulge, operational situation 13.08 , 21:30 .
What is known at the moment:
The AFU continue to try to break through to the north to Kurchatov from several directions. Regarding the shelling of the settlement of Tyotkino, there is an opinion that the enemy used JDAM-ER guided air bombs on the local grain storage facility ;
▪️According to some information, there are units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the village of Snagost;
▪️The Korenovsky direction is also restless – the enemy is advancing on the settlements of Kauchuk and Alekseevsky, where they are met by the Russian army and are fighting back;
❗️The evacuation of citizens has begun in the Bolshesoldatsky district;
▪️In the south of the Kursk region, in the Belovsky district, the Russian army continues to clear the territory of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near the settlement of Ozerki, from where, according to preliminary information, the enemy carried out an unsuccessful raid on the settlement of Giri ;
▪️To the south of Sudzha, in the village of Plekhovo, armored vehicles of the AFU were hit, which indicates the loss of control of the Russian Armed Forces over the village;
❗️In Sudzha itself, local clashes continue, and it is still unclear who controls the territory. However, information is coming in every day about the presence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the city. The enemy posts videos from the settlement, but I am sure that soon the Russian army will do the same.
There was also information that the Ukrainian Armed Forces burned down the Sudzhan Agricultural College ;
Ukrainians continue to produce fakes , which are refuted time and time again by our side. In turn, our warriors continue to trophy Western equipment .
Russian aviation continues to work on the equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and personnel, as well as on the Ukrainian rear. Thus, information appeared on the Internet that in Sumy there was some kind of attack on the Sumy Cardiology Center and the hospital for war veterans, where wounded Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers are taken. In turn, in order to reduce the leakage of information, the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces introduced restrictions on movement for all categories of citizens in the 20-km zone in the Sumy region.

https://t.me/two_majors/29560

🪂 Kursk region.
Heavy fighting is taking place along the entire line of combat operations in the direction; it must be understood that the enemy, although he rushed in in groups, still managed to gain a foothold in the area and settled into defense, while our soldiers have to go on the attack and advance.
We observe a large number of manpower and equipment in all areas.
Near Sudzha, our troops destroyed a tank and two infantry fighting vehicles with infantry; upon inspection, the infantrymen had insignia of foreign states, as well as personal belongings, which confirmed the fact that they were foreign mercenaries.
In Sudzha, the enemy occupied high-rise buildings and set up firing and sniper points on the roofs of buildings.
At night, the enemy tries to use looted cars with local license plates, but they stick their own distinctive triangle signs on the doors.

https://t.me/two_majors/29561

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 20:32 utc | 526

LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 20:13 utc | 523
They certainly wanted to go fast and a long way into Russian territory.
It would not even surprise me that Zelensky thought he could “do a Prigozin” and march on Moscow cheered on by locals throwing roses (or was that Rumsfeld in Iraq?).
Clearly they expected to get to Kursk NPP without much trouble. The terrain between Belgorod and Moscow is (I think) flat with no real natural barrieres. The Ukes lost 35 tanks, which could have been useful in a deeper strike.
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I don’t read many books – I think the film will come out earlier, with Tom Cruise as the leading Rambo.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 13 2024 20:33 utc | 527

NJH @ 525
On reason to talk to the trolls is the hope of turning them, pretty low on the rung, at the bottom but who knows what damage may come forth. The littler gentler trolls could be fed a bit, Zanon, shadowbanned, now Vargas, the blustering angry ones sent in to bust up the bar and scare away interested passersby should be starved and posts quickly removed by b, who is lenient and now occupied.
This forum is not for the regulars to shoot the shit but to try and improve the world situation, if a passerby happens on the site and sees an idiot comment he might keep scrolling but if he sees a page of useless argument and invective he’ll drop MoA forever. That’s why NAFO sends the goons. Don’t feed the ugly trolls, and the cute ones only a little.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 20:34 utc | 528

Ukraine War Day #902: Did Ukraine Seize Russia’s Gas Meter? – Part I
be sure to read the comments to the article – if you are into this sort of thing..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 20:36 utc | 529

the purpose of paid trolling is intelligence gathering. The idea is to generate responses which will then go into a database.

Posted by: nazcalito | Aug 13 2024 20:42 utc | 530

Posted by: benzannato | Aug 13 2024 18:56 utc | 495
2024 18:56 utc | 495
Adams-Onis treaty, check that out, like all treaties uncle Sam wiped his ass with it, but reckoning time is coming, if you think Ukraine was big wait for Mexico to reclaim its property, basically every state with a Spanish name. Yankees have committed many crimes, just like the genocide, and nobody is immune to retribution.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 13 2024 20:48 utc | 531

And pro Russian types saying that “it was a trap” are in huge cope mode.

Keep telling yourself that. Russia might have gotten tired of killing 40 and 50 year old Russian ethnics press ganged into suicidal positions. The ‘cope’ appears to be yours, as the forces allocated to this little venture are systematically destroyed. I’m sure you can find the endless videos already.. for instance the captured BMP after a perforation hit by ambushing RAF units as the vehicle drove through a settlement.
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that all those rapid response units and special forces arrived immediately, almost as though they were waiting.
It’s probably best not to be dilettantes in military matters, like NATO’s leadership. What was that proverb about land wars and Asia? Inconceivable says the NATO planner through his non working comms moments before the FAB said hello.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 13 2024 20:54 utc | 532

nazcalito @ 531
Bullseye, hopefully this will worry everyone away from feeding trolls.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 20:55 utc | 533

I do not understand why capturing the gas station would have any strategic value. The pipeline from the station traverses Ukropia. The Ukronians could interrupt the flow anywhere along that stretch, so what have they gained if they have the gas station? They can entertain themselves by watching needles on gauges bounce around?
Granted, the Nazis will doubtless wreck the place when the Russians get around to driving them out, but until then what have they got?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 13 2024 20:59 utc | 534

Dugin:
“Putin, like a geopolitical Spartacus, has led a rebellion to bring Russia out of non-existence. But Russia will only truly exist when it wins. Existence and victory are synonymous.”
I totally agree with Dugin.
That is why I am on Russia’s side.
This is a monumental fight between evil and good.
Russia is fighting an evil monster, and by fighting an evil monster, unperfect as it is, it became a force of good.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 13 2024 21:07 utc | 535

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 20:01 utc | 518

Myself, I think there’s a fine line between arguing with a troll and not letting an untruth go uncorrected. I’ll confess that I’m not the best person to use as an example of staying on the latter side of the line, but I really do believe that some untruths — especially the ones that seem plausible — should be challenged with honest information.

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Thanks, I see where you are coming from. Don’t engage, but put the truth out there.

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 13 2024 21:10 utc | 536

Well, thinking BIG, a canal could be made to connect Eilat to Gaza (and thus to Mediterranean and RoW etc.), then it would work.
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If Belt & Road is going to thrive ….. then an extra East-West canal will help handle increased trade volumes very nicely.
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US elites made a mistake surrendering manufacturing in
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There also seem to be huge problems involving technology toxicity, especially viz chemical manufacturing and Big Ag farming methods
Posted by: Scorpion @498
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Definitely getting OT on this exchange so it will be my last response.
I realized as soon as I hit Post you were suggesting another Canal. My thoughts are if the Isareli were going to do it they would have done it already. Although Eilat to Gaza is most direct, Eilat to just north of Gaza may be more beneficial overall. For example, isolating Gaza, secondary defense line, opportunity for large canal system, economic development, development of interior, etc.
On US surrendering manufacturing overseas, it was due to the rise of financialism over capitalism. Easier and more money to be made financing industry than managing one (especially with overseas investment tax credits).
On toxicity,it too big a subject to discuss as a whole.
G’d Day

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 13 2024 21:10 utc | 537

malenkov | Aug 13 2024 17:24 utc | 459
“I imagine Russia could respond forcefully to any attack by Georgian entities within Georgia.”
Yes, easily, and then if CIA have their way Russia could have another war on their borders, which is part of US strategy going back to Breszinski and Wolfowitz.
Pro-Russians (or at least not wanting Georgia to be Ukraine II) are in control in Georgia at the moment. Be really nice to keep it that way if at all possible.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 21:10 utc | 538

Posted by: canuck | Aug 13 2024 13:06 utc | 366
“Wavell’s offensive ended at El Agheila on 7 February 1941 with the destruction of nine Italian divisions and the capture of 130,000 men…
…Hitler realised that he would have to support the Italians in North Africa. On 11 February 1941, Major-General Erwin Rommel’s Afrika Korps landed at Tripoli.”
I don’t know how the Brits rounded up 130k Italians, word got to the Nazis, they make a decision, corral troops, and ship them to Africa ready to face the British…all in the span of four days.
The fog of war, eh?

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 13 2024 21:11 utc | 539

@ malenkov | Aug 13 2024 17:26 utc | 460
> but sometimes I learn things from the responses.
You’re right. Me too. :-). For instance (but not limited to), some of Milites’s replies.
Maybe barflies should should just try to be more discriminating…. Or maybe it’s not really a problem and I should simply continue incrementally skipping more “content”. I’m fine with that.

Posted by: despondent | Aug 13 2024 21:11 utc | 540

William Gruff | Aug 13 2024 20:59 utc | 535
They’ve already wrecked it, don’t know how easy repairs would be.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 21:12 utc | 541

molech baal mosiach baphomet and the little helpers khazharian Ashkenazim have sure turned this place into a toilet
and it has been allowed
very interesting

Posted by: gordan | Aug 13 2024 21:14 utc | 542

@ YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 21:10 utc | 539
Let’s also not assume that the only flight path connecting Russia and Iran overflies, or even has to approach, Georgia.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 21:16 utc | 543

William Gruff @ 535

Granted, the Nazis will doubtless wreck the place when the Russians get around to driving them out, but until then what have they got?

I read that link, it offers no speculation as to motive. That station could have been destroyed from a far, certainly wouldn’t want to be close to it when it goes. Blackmailing your EU allies over gas is bad idea #1 even if the UK and USA are pushing you but yeh, they could turn it off from UKR turf. Whether the AFU blows it up or leaves it intact when pulling out will be informative, bet they leave it intact. Libya, Syria, Ukraine, the spice must flow.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 21:18 utc | 544

So, we know for a fact the gas hub has been blown up? Wow, the spice has never stopped flowing. The great houses might just turn on the emperor, that’s why it never stops flowing.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 21:25 utc | 545

Re:
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 12:26 utc | 355
…and…
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 13:31 utc | 378
“This is really good news.”
Agreed. I’d say quite profound.
It shows that a growing number of nations are not only pushing back against fascist overthrow by the US/UK/IS axis powers, but they are also going to pursue the treasonous perpetrators legally.
This is the snowball that will destroy the whole PNAC yank delusions of cultural superiority. Not a moment too soon.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 13 2024 21:29 utc | 546

How is it possible that Ukraine manged to surprise Russians with this incursion? In the age of cheap drones?

Posted by: vargas | Aug 13 2024 21:32 utc | 547

Posted by: NJH | Aug 13 2024 19:56 utc | 517
Can we please return to the times at the bar when trolls and paid shills were ignored and scrolled past, rather than replied to and argued with?!
there is a way
Also its possible the website mess is a result of the fact that no body knows…the condition of the Kursk incursion is not definite, not static and its changes are not being well communicated.. in such a situation.. you can expect a mess..
Yet, in most posts, there is some value.. and the problem we have is that we don’t have a way to parse the comments and extract from each of them the value added to the conversation. for sure, it would take fewer than a few paragraphs to communicate the value.
The second problem is the time span of the comment page is too long.. days instead of 3 eight hour segments each.
a fourth problem is within a content there might exist several different subjects. and there is not way to sort the elements of interest to a specific user from the mass of words that constitute the comment section.
Is it possible xpath and xml technology could sort this out.. at read time for each user.
element tags may be the answer?
Each subject is enclosed between element tags). Example, if the post is about a military gain or loss in Kursk during Ukraine/NATO invasion. The comment could be tagged. comment whatever it is . the tags will not appear in the rendering of the page the users see and neither will any comments not similarly tagged.
In the next paragraph in the same comment appears information on the change of Generals on the Russian side. comment content here
and in the final paragraph of the same comment could be a thank you for a link. thank you joe for the xyz link
using https://www.w3schools.com/xml/xpath_intro.asp it would be possible to render various versions of the comments at various times during the posting session.. In this way, the ability of trolls to interfere with serious comments could be limited.
Implementing server side xpath | xslt | according to W3C server side standards makes rendering special purpose output easy. All that is needed is to program an appropriate interface between user (either as poster or a reader) and the list of comments. A number of providers with good software exist. If B were to require all comments to be element tagged, and to provide a user interface so that users could obtain user designed reports in HTML showing only the elements each user desires to see. it would greatly simply use of the website for the users. .. efficiency would prevail and comment chaos would remain, even get worse, but the complexity and chaos would no longer be a detriment.
Converting tagged elements into rendered HTML reports would brand B’s bar as innovative and it would likely eliminate people calling for limiting or banning this person or that comment or whatever.. by parsing the elements things that are not of interest are ignored.
How many Xpath xslt experts are there on this list.?

Posted by: snake | Aug 13 2024 21:36 utc | 548

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 13 2024 20:09 utc | 521
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Dugin is talking about something much older and time-tested than postmodernism.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 21:45 utc | 549

I haven’t been able to go through all the comments here so if another commenter has reported this, apologies.
The commenter “elkern”, on Colonel Lang’s old site now run by TTG, reports:-
elkern says:
August 13, 2024 at 2:04 pm
TTG –
My working hypothesis is that Ukraine attacked the cooling tower with explosives via drones. I consider this to be the most likely scenario because it fits the reports from the only independent source I’ve found: the IAEA.
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-242-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine
“International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) experts at Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) witnessed thick dark smoke coming from the north-western area of the plant, after hearing multiple explosions throughout the evening.”
“The IAEA team reported hearing an explosion today at the same time the ZNPP informed them that a drone had allegedly struck one of the plant’s two cooling towers.”
““These reckless attacks endanger nuclear safety at the plant and increase the risk of a nuclear accident. They must stop now,” said Director General Grossi.”
Of course, it’s possible that Russia faked all the evidence, but that theory is (1) more complex, so it fails Occam’s Razor, and (2) requires us to (again) believe that Russia is willing to damage expensive infrastructure that it expects to control for decades/centuries.
https://turcopolier.com/ukraines-kursk-offensive-blitzed-russia-with-electronic-warfare-and-drones/#comment-241589

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 13 2024 21:48 utc | 550

“How is it possible that Ukraine manged to surprise Russians with this incursion? In the age of cheap drones?
Posted by: vargas | Aug 13 2024 21:32 utc | 548”
this i ask my self also. and that has something to do, with the fact, that i have nada military experience. so i listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnSfQkvKERo and am happy when he explains, that i am in good western-elite company…

Posted by: COViDiOT | Aug 13 2024 21:50 utc | 551

It is interesting that so many people have so much to say about something which to use contemporary parlance is really just a nothingburger.
When one nation invades another it is to take control of all or part of that nation, for if it cannot do that normal conditions will apply – meaning ongoing resourcing and equipping of the invader has to happen for as long as the invaders are present.
In other words if one nation invades another it must get full control including and especially logistic control of the region it has invaded. Generally speaking this is by invaders grabbing for an entire portion of the invadee’s nation, a chunk large & self resourced enough to independently feed, clothe and feed itself, preferably with a surplus sufficient to provide for the invaders lest the indigenous population suffer badly.
Although one must admit when it comes to nazi or fascist invasions the latter never seems to matter too much.
My point is that none, zero, nil of those circumstances are in play when one considers the ukie invasion of a part of Russia’s Kursk region.
Ukieland must keep a line of communication and supply open to its invading troops at all times and this is likely an impossibility and equally likely will be the first point of attack, well defence really, by Russia.
Russia doesn’t even have to ‘take it over’ although the RF troops inevitably will, but now they have degraded the ukies AD & EW sufficiently, they can just stand off and launch continual attacks on much needed ammunition and food supplies heading to the invaders as well as the evacuation of wounded ukies the other way.
Doing this is extremely low risk from a casualty point of view for Russia, and will ensure that the nazis fall into a dire situation fast.
More importantly now that the nazis have begun using captured locals as some type of perverse guarantee in blood against direct attack from Russia, by placing these unfortunates around ukie staff HQs, ammo storage facilities etc, attacking supply lines where using such shields is clumsy and difficult, Russia will be able to force the ukie invaders into submission without directly risking the lives of its citizens.
Of course the lives of captured locals are now miserable and the odds of survival not great, however any harm done to them will be the result of deliberate acts by the nazis such as those we have already seen during the initial slaughter by nazis.
These will not be able to be passed off as “shit happens in war” by a sick west to their populations long indoctrinated into accepting the fallacy of collateral damage as being an acceptable fact of modern warfare.
Russia’s leaders will feel pressured to ‘do something and do it fast’ by the naysayers every country must suffer, backed of course by the same NAFO types who try to hang about here at MoA, but it may well save more lives in the long run by holding off on direct attack on the now dug in nazi mercenaries and instead, severing supply lines and waiting for the inevitable collapse brought about by General Winter.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 13 2024 21:51 utc | 552

All the fighting I see in videos takes place within some 15 minutes drive from RUS-UKR border. It takes me longer to get to my office.

Posted by: Nomad | Aug 13 2024 21:52 utc | 553

Posted by: vargas | Aug 13 2024 21:07 utc | 536
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What Dugin is speaking about, and which eludes smooth brains, are the fundamental truths of power, which as I have said for 2+ years, has its own laws and rules.
It doesn’t care about aesthetics or morality. You either win, or you lose. It is a binary. To lose is to potentially lose everything forever. How you arrive at winning or losing is a secondary consideration. If you have to throw the soft innocent bodies of your 4-year-old children at the enemy to win, you must. The cost of losing is slavery, and possibly extinction. There are no sad songs played for the defeated. See the native Americans.
The Russians got a taste of failure in the 90s and were somehow preserved to get a second chance. Make no mistake if NATO via Ukraine somehow prevails, everyone in Russia would become a degenerate loser as the Germans and Japanese have become. The Slavic culture would be erased, their women defiled, their children brainwashed, and their history annihilated.
That is what Dugin is talking about.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 21:57 utc | 554

Bankova has been talking about an offensive for a while. Much of the talk suggested that it would be one last shot and then Ukraine would have to negotiate. I’ll bet this was that offensive. Lots of NATO equipment, lots of mercs, lots of Ukrainians who just finished NATO training, and tactics that were pure NATO light mechanized infantry (but without air superiority again).
It was fanciful but if it worked a big chunk of Russian land and the Kursk NPP along with poetics about the Kursk disaster to start Putin’s leadership time and another now (Zelensky actually said this in his address a day or two ago). Like Kharkov ‘22 it was generally well planned to play to NATO strength and local Russian weakness. But I’m not sure anyone thought through supplying the Ukrainian forces for any length of time.
Russia will be slower to root out the remaining Ukrainian forces than commenters will like. Partly because it’s not as easy as it looks and partly because Moscow is unconcerned with the timelines established by western commenters. But in the end the likely outcome is that Kiev got in a kick to the nuts while it was getting its ass whopped. The kick didn’t drive Russia off of it so it just makes Russia more pissed.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 13 2024 22:01 utc | 555

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 13:54 utc | 385
Re:
“https://www.douxreviews.com/2017/09/philip-k-dicks-electric-dreams-hood.html
This is me.”
‘Ubik’ is one of my favourites of PKD also.
My parents had a sizeable sci-fi collection (approx 600+, a whole bookcase), and PKD was always the sci-fi author that drew me in completely, and back repeatedly.
Cheers.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 13 2024 22:08 utc | 556

Weeb’s recent click bait headline, paraphrased as, Russians advance 10 sq km, Ukrainians 40 sq km illustrated a point many posters have brought up. Why are Ukraine able to advance far farther, far quicker, than Russia? It’s a fair question but illustrates a fundamental misconception of looking at military success through ground gained, which, I genuinely feel, is often due to expectations shaped by social, not military, influences.
Russia’s 10 sq km is taken from Ukraine, is probably lost for ever, whereas the 40 sq km taken by Ukraine will be back in Russian hands sooner than later. Eventually the Ukrainians will have to cede back all the ground taken in their Kursk operation; whereas, Russia will have permanent control over the ground it recently captured. So the 10 v’s 40 is really 10 v’s 0. Russia is methodical, because it wants to retain captured territory, and is casualty averse, Ukraine’s motives are driven a good deal by optics and a seeming indifference to casualties.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 22:09 utc | 557

A reincarnated Heinz Guderian might have completed the sprint to the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant, captured it, surrounded it, rigged it with explosives thereby turning it into the world’s largest dirty bomb, and then held it hostage while negotiating with Moscow. This was no trivial gambit since it was likely that Chernobyl brought down the Soviet Union and that potential is a hellofa negotiating chip. Probability of success is pretty low, but what better option did they have? Russia dodged a bullet IMHO.

Posted by: TomA | Aug 13 2024 22:12 utc | 558

The Russians are advancing quickly toward Pokrovsk and gaining substantial ground around Toretsk and Niu York, so the Zelensky gamble does not seem to be paying off. Then there is the daily bleed of losses, with the Ukrainians seemingly bled out of armoured vehicles and a dwindling supply of artillery. Becoming an infantry army with very limited “technicals” and no real artillery or air support (what little air support there is is getting shot down in the Kursk area).
Once through Pokrovsk, the Russians are out of the foothills and onto a plain full of small villages and towns with little of the industrial buildings and deep fortifications that they have been fighting through so far. Not good for a dwindling Ukrainian infantry army made up of predominantly the press-ganged and coerced, with a few experienced soldiers who have been fighting for two and a half years plus with little leave.
Ukrainian losses for August 13th, as reported by the Russian defence ministry:
– Sever Group (Kharkov): 65 troops, 5 motor vehicles, 2 artillery pieces,
– Zapad Group (Luhansk area): 470 troops, 1 APC, 4 motor vehicles, 6 artillery piece
– Yug Group (Donetsk north): 510 troops, 1 HMV, 8 artillery pieces
– Tsetr Group (Donetsk south): 635 troops, 1 tank, 1 IFV, 2 motor vehicles, 4 artillery pieces
– Vostok Group (southern front): 100 troops, 3 motor vehicles, 5 artillery pieces, 1 counter battery radar system
– Dnepr Group: 55 troops, 4 motor vehicles, 1 artillery pieces
In total: 1,835 troops (about 2,000-2,500 with undercounting: 60,000 to 75,000 a month). We seem to have hit a new normal of 2,000 to 2,500 reported losses.
1 tank, 2 AFV/IFV/APC, 1 HMV, 18 motor vehicles; continuing transformation of the Ukrainian army into infantry plus “technicals” (pickup trucks with mounted weapons). They even seem to be running out of simple pickup trucks. Are vehicles being hoarded for the Kursk push?
26 artillery pieces, a lower level but still at a rate of over 750 per month. Only 1 Counter Battery Radar system. Perhaps Ukraine is starting to run severely short of artillery, and counter battery radar and EW systems.
In addition the Russians are adept at shooting down ATACMS and HIMARS missiles, as well as hunting down and destroying HIMARS systems. They are also destroying a lot of weapons dumps.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 13 2024 22:17 utc | 559

apparently it’s still going, so this is false

Posted by: smorg | Aug 13 2024 22:21 utc | 560

“…largest dirty bomb, and then held it hostage while negotiating …
Posted by: TomA | Aug 13 2024 22:12 utc | 559”
if this is the case, we have to expect other dirty attacks. may be they restore the AN-225 and deliver the cheronbyl reactor to moscow.

Posted by: COViDiOT | Aug 13 2024 22:22 utc | 561

On reason to talk to the trolls is the hope of turning them, pretty low on the rung, at the bottom but who knows what damage may come forth.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 20:34 utc | 529
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You don’t talk to trolls in the hope of turning them, you talk to them, and about them, to expose them for what they are, or could be: Agent provocateurs. We all came to this site for the first time looking for something; knowledge, information, curiosity, a fight, or to be a provocateur: The last two are not the same thing. The fighters just don’t like us, and they want us to know it; perhaps they are driven by their personal ideological picadillo’s, whatever.
However, the Agent provocateurs, are a different kind of animal all together. From this side of the computer screen, we cannot know their intentions, or who they work for, but they are often not just bullshitters, but people or bots on a mission.
Right now, in the UK and Germany, efforts are in place to arrest commenters and bloggers who go against the grain of the “official” narrative of the state; see “Craig Murray: We Are the Bad Guys” https://consortiumnews.com/2024/08/13/craig-murray-we-are-the-bad-guys/
In the US, we have the Scott Ritter affair and of course, we had the Julian Assange fiasco. The so called western “liberal democracies” are turning into openly fascist pig styes, and in the US “liberals” are busy tossing the US Constitution out the window. Their goal is to make us, the dissenters, the bad guys.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 22:22 utc | 562

apparently it’s still going, so this is false
Posted by: smorg | Aug 13 2024 22:21 utc | 561
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What is false, please be more specific. We are not mind readers here!

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 22:27 utc | 563

Just trying to read back through the thread to where I last stopped and its just trolls and replies to trolls. Utter crap and a waste of time reading.
Either tell them bluntly to piss off or give them no reply. Those that reply to trolls are equally as bad as the trolls when it comes to making a thread a waste of time.
The good threads are when there is extra information that I haven’t picked up in my reading elsewhere and not completely swamped by trolls and what they generate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 22:33 utc | 564

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 405
Wow.
You truly are a whole new level of deluded Nazi fan-boy.
Enjoy your fantasies while you still can…they have a very limited shelf life.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 13 2024 22:35 utc | 565

@ Ed | Aug 13 2024 22:27 utc | 564
he is probably responding to the topic i linked to @ 530 and which william gruff and some others have responded.. it isn’t clear if ukraine has done anything to it, or has gotten to the site… that article i linked to doesn’t know definitively..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 22:36 utc | 566

Now something different from Kursk, let’s not forget that many of the Ukrainian troops were press-ganged into action, often against their will. You’ll never hear Napoleon or Julian talk about the people forced as slaves to fight at gunpoint.

The volunteers from the Golden Hands of the Angel together with the special forces freed a conscript who at the last moment managed to escape from the Ukrainian Army and was not be captured.
He wandered around, they shot at him on but he survived!
He contacted his mother, she contacted the military, and he was literally pulled out by Kursk volunteers under the cover of special forces.
In the video, the volunteers of the Golden Hands of the Angel are driving through the territory occupied by the Ukrainian Army to find him.
The conscript runs to them, seconds to rescue.

**VIDEO**

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 22:44 utc | 567

Is Vladimir Putin slowly genociding Russians ?
I remember his smirk when he talked about K-141 Kursk sinking.

Posted by: Myrkâl | Aug 13 2024 22:55 utc | 568

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 424
“His invasion failed.”
That phrase alone is completely off the mark.
1) Ukraine was committing war crimes against their own citizens.
2) The oblasts joined The Russian Federation, which is their right under international law…and it was confirmed by overwhelming support in the referenda.
3) They asked for Russia’s protection, which under R2P provisions is fully legal under international law.
4) Russia came to help…and here we are.
I think you’re being highly disingenuous, and ignoring every fact that contradicts your pro-Bandera fantasies.
My penny’s worth.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 13 2024 22:57 utc | 569

Russia’s 10 sq km is taken from Ukraine, is probably lost for ever, whereas the 40 sq km taken by Ukraine will be back in Russian hands sooner than later. Eventually the Ukrainians will have to cede back all the ground taken in their Kursk operation; whereas, Russia will have permanent control over the ground it recently captured. So the 10 v’s 40 is really 10 v’s 0. Russia is methodical, because it wants to retain captured territory, and is casualty averse, Ukraine’s motives are driven a good deal by optics and a seeming indifference to casualties.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 22:09 utc | 558
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Milites, this question came up earlier on this thread and, in my view, answered quit significantly: One of our regulars, I can’t remember who, pointed out that the Russians are fighting on a front line that is quite battle-hardened, where NATO & the US had 10 years to dig trenches, lay mines and booby traps, and train the second best, and largest military force in Europe.
Secondly, the goal of the SMO was not to gain territory per say, but to eliminate the NATO / Kiev armed forces, and exhaust their fighting compacity on the ground which the RUAF has been doing successfully by exterminating three US/NATO trained and supplied armies, while working on the fourth as I write.
There is a difference from walking into a village protected only by light conscript forces and border guards, also lightly armed and a hardened battlefield; but your point is also correct and important to note.
Cheers

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 22:59 utc | 570

“… I remember his smirk when he talked about K-141 Kursk sinking.
Posted by: Myrkâl | Aug 13 2024 22:55 utc | 569”
may be he knows more then the normal people about the strange story of the sunken kursk. the destruction of the granits via targeted detonation as example…
what do You know about it?

Posted by: COViDiOT | Aug 13 2024 23:04 utc | 571

Ostro | Aug 13 2024 11:37 utc | 346
*** One day, the Ukrainians would say, why did they choose a Jew as their president. And, that a Jew had finished Ukraine.***
Two — Poroshenko and then Zelensky.
Tymoshenko a Jewish/Baltic female nutcase PM already having tried without success to become the wrecking President.
Plus of course the presence of post-Soviet criminal Oligarchs, who ought to have been warning enough….

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 13 2024 23:18 utc | 572

Weekly round up from the front lines, and summary.
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/weekly-round-up?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2024 23:24 utc | 573

@Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 22:33 utc | 565
Old tampermonkey/grease script is here: https://anonpaste.io/share/7b87d2302c

Posted by: S.O. | Aug 13 2024 23:25 utc | 574

S.O. | Aug 13 2024 23:25 utc | 575
Its the many replies that mess up the threads more so than the actual trolls.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 23:29 utc | 575

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 13 2024 18:31 utc | 484
I said it already that it was a trap.
Necessary to look at what is happening elsewhere.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 13 2024 23:33 utc | 576

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 21:45 utc | 550
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 13 2024 20:09 utc | 521
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Dugin is talking about something much older and time-tested than postmodernism.

So advanced he leads philosophy into transcendent common sense. Several of his pieces the past year or two have been urging Putin to embrace the Path of War but in this piece he goes a little further in explaining how Victory creates a new reality.
He might be getting into the heart of why Putin is often seen as overly cautious: perhaps Putin fears breaking our reality if he actually wages war with the West for Russia is indeed traditionally regarded as part of Europe. This is why it is a Special Military Operation not military operations designed to vanquish the opponent under the banner of War following a formal Declaration. Dugin argues for War; which means he is willing to risk the Death of his entire nation for such Victory, and what might happen if nuclear powers go at it in full-blown War is hard to imagine let alone undertake.
So I wonder sometimes if Dugin is really thinking through all that he is urging his leader to undertake. If I understand Putin’s strategy, it is to give the West the rope with which to hang itself, becoming over-extended and under-resourced which, along with fifth column demoralization campaigns, will ultimately engender collapse from within. The current military kinetics are the flailing around of a dying beast; still dangerous, but fast fading. If it succeeds, much better than full-blown War.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 23:37 utc | 577

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 13 2024 19:16 utc | 502
You are unable to think like the Russians. It is the same for the ukronazis and their supporters. It is a great advantage for the Russians that their enemies are so stupid.
Benefits: saving soldier lives; easing the progresses everywhere else; destroying afu reserves and elite troops; fighting on a territory they know.
Aka another meat grinder. The sooner the ukronazi reserves are exhausted the better. In Kursk moving targets are easy to destroy: no bunker for the ukronazis there. Installing a cauldron. It is getting interesting.
Kursk oblast is Russian territory;
Lugansk Republic is Russian territory;
Donetsk Republic is Russian territory;
Zaporozhje oblast is RRussian territory;
Kherson oblast is Russian territory.
So, except in Kharkov oblast the ukronazis are attacking everywhere else Russian territories. Nothing special in Kursk compared to the other fronts. Except the trap.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 13 2024 23:46 utc | 578

Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 23:37 utc | 578
Dugan has always been that way.
Lavrovs hybrid war – slower and not a hollywood war movie, but is a method of taking down the Empire without mutually assured destruction.
Russia moves into war mode, that means the civilian economy is devoted to war, not to constantly increasing prosperity. That would put the Russian people through much greater hardship.
Many ‘avid’ Russian nationalists through do want Russia to go into full war or total war mode.
They would quite likely bring about the downfall of the Russian federation if they had their way.
Perhaps at some point, things in Europe will escalate to a point Russia has to go into full war mode, but as yet that is certainly not required. Russia with its now booming economy and increasing prosperity of the people has been able to fend of everything Nato has thrown at it, and while Russia’s economy is constantly improving, all western economies have quickly became worse.
On top of that, increasing dedollarisation and the emerging multi-polar world will add to the effect of failing western economies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 23:55 utc | 579

Vargas and others with questions about how Ukraine got the element of surprise at Kursk.
This article from Pat Lang’s site attempts to explain it.
https://turcopolier.com/ukraines-kursk-offensive-blitzed-russia-with-electronic-warfare-and-drones/

Posted by: morongobill | Aug 13 2024 23:56 utc | 580

“…if you think Ukraine was big wait for Mexico to reclaim its property, basically every state with a Spanish name.” — Paco
The Spanish colonial construct wants to restore “its” property? Let’s just go a step further and restore “Mexico” to its previous owners–the Spanish Crown. That would be pretty big.

Posted by: benzanotto | Aug 13 2024 23:57 utc | 581

canuck | Aug 13 2024 13:06 utc | 366
*** And, “Hitler realised that he would have to support the Italians in North Africa. On 11 February 1941, Major-General Erwin Rommel’s Afrika Korps landed at Tripoli. The British won some spectacular victories over the Italians, but found the Germans a much tougher nut to crack.”***
Was told years ago by a chap who was a British soldier in North Africa at the end of the fighting, that his unit was deployed to guard both Afrika Korps and Italian POWs.
The German prisoners were a bit miffed at the Italians, who they felt had let them down.
The British soldiers were bored and fancied occasionally going to town for a few pints.
But of course they couldn’t leave the prisoners unguarded — so came to a friendly arrangement with the Germans, that the German POWs would temporarily take over guarding the Italian POWs, and the British would then fetch the Germans back some beer. Seems the arrangement worked really well.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2024 0:00 utc | 582

russia can’t protect it’s borders”

US can’t either, and the mexican civilians + cartels coming through have no tanks and BMPs at all, also no artillery support, no satellites, no nothing.
Posted by: Mirko | Aug 13 2024 0:51 utc | 219
Correction: US chooses not to protect it’s borders. We had made a good start to turning the problem around but when Biden took office in 2020 he reversed course because the Democrats need to import new voters. It was a political calculation and could just as easily be reversed again.

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 14 2024 0:03 utc | 583

Naive | Aug 13 2024 23:46 utc | 579
Not a trap as 2000 civilians are in the areas now held by Ukraine. I saw drone footage put out by the ukies that were targeting civilian vehicles. Vide of a Ukraine follow up unit show the lead unit had shot up all the cars traveling on the road as they went through a town.
A capture prisoner said they were given orders to shoot any civilian that resisted.
Definitely not a trap. A straight out terrorist operation that targeted civilians.
here was no build of Nato/Ukie forces near the jumping off point so Rus Mod would have had sufficient forces to deal with whatever ongoing threat was across the border in that sector.
Widely dispersed forces were pulled in at the last moment, only beginning to converge and concentrate just prior to crossing the border. The officers in charge were only told about it several days before hand and the actual troops to be used, less than 24 hours before hand.
All coordinated through starlink which the Russians shut down shortly after the battle began.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 14 2024 0:05 utc | 584

A capture prisoner said they were given orders to shoot any civilian that resisted.
Definitely not a trap. A straight out terrorist operation that targeted civilians.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 14 2024 0:05 utc | 585
As expected. Unfortunately all signs are, this will turn into a real massacre, not just a Bucha one.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 14 2024 0:21 utc | 585

Posted by: Naive | Aug 13 2024 23:46 utc | 579

Kursk oblast is Russian territory;
Lugansk Republic is Russian territory;
Donjeck Republic is Russian territory;
Zaporožje oblast is Russian territory;
Herson oblast is Russian territory.
So, except in Harkov oblast the ukronazis are attacking everywhere else Russian territories. Nothing special in Kursk compared to the other fronts. Except the trap.

I am pretty sure that unofficially Harkov and Sumi are considered Russian territories too. And the rest of former Ukraine as well. Plus Pridnjestrovlje. Possibly Budžak too.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 14 2024 0:25 utc | 586

Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 424 …..
So what are your views on NATO and the US-empire?

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2024 0:25 utc | 587

@Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 23:29 utc | 576
Yeah, but if you grab a copy you can repost it next time so I won’t have to.

Posted by: S.O. | Aug 14 2024 0:26 utc | 588

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 23:37 utc | 578
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I think Dugin is expressing a law of reality. A law of life that pertains as much to us as to two competing bacteria in an ocean. No one remembers the extinguished tribes of the past. If anything, they “exist” as defined by their destroyers now. The Americans write Japanese and German history for children to learn.
Whatever one thinks of Dugin, he is as much an ardent Russian patriot as anyone. He knows the cost of failure in the SMO and conflicts to follow, and that it could mean an end to Russia (Rum, the third Rome), and possibly humanity. The future he has seen is one where liberalism’s final frontier after freeing people from their gender is to free us from being human at all (transhuman, post-human).
This isn’t the stuff of the Kursk invasion but it is the highest level stakes if one is a materialist.
I am not a materialist.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 0:26 utc | 589

@: NJH | Aug 13 2024 19:56 utc | 517
Agree. Basic Rule #1 is “Don’t feed the trolls.”
@all
Larry Wilkerson – on the Judge – suggest that President Putin is building the apparatus to take on NATO – which he believes he will have to in his lifetime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphJs-ImRd0
Larry also notes that Netanyahu ‘owns’ America – which we already know – and that he wants the US to take on Iran – which we also already know.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 14 2024 0:26 utc | 590

Planned and controlled by US and NATO. Putin bitchslap the Ukies. Normal.

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 14 2024 0:32 utc | 591

Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 18:12 utc | 480
*** Historically, Russia has only themselves to blame for the far-right Bandera movement in Ukraine. Bandera thrived because Stalin was a tyrant.***
“Bandera” territory was in west Ukraine.
….. Which was ruled by Poland, not the USSR.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2024 0:36 utc | 592

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 14 2024 0:03 utc | 584
This has gone WAY beyond importing potential voters at this point imo.

Posted by: eman | Aug 14 2024 0:37 utc | 593

Borzikkman is reporting that the UK is pulling its Challenger 2 tanks out of Ukraine and that Ukrainian troops are fleeing the Donbass.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 0:38 utc | 594

Borzikkman is reporting that the UK is pulling its Challenger 2 tanks out of Ukraine and that Ukrainian troops are fleeing the Donbass.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 0:38 utc | 595
Do you have a link in case it’s not just a one-liner?

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 14 2024 0:46 utc | 595

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 17:26 utc | 460
“As a general rule I tend yo agree, but sometimes I learn things from the responses.”
Yeah, it can be tiresome holding your nose while avoiding the turd stench, but I agree these retards quite often reveal quite a bit about their “owners” and agendas hidden among their droppings. I think that is how (the much missed) Shaddow was outed.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 14 2024 0:48 utc | 596

Anyway, yes, all the “trap” nonsense theories would have to assume the Russian command cynically left thousands of civilians potentially to suffer and die at the hands of the Nazis. I’d prefer to think they aren’t that cynical.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 14 2024 0:49 utc | 597

Posted by: morongobill | Aug 13 2024 23:56 utc | 581
Goodness, that was like reading an article from Signal.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 14 2024 0:05 utc | 585
Not a trap, that normally only happens in fiction, but maybe they knew something was up, but not where, now they know they’re setting a trap.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 14 2024 0:55 utc | 598

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 14 2024 0:46 utc | 596
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A TOTAL FAILURE! UK Has Withdrawn Its CHALLENGER-2 Tanks From UKRAINE┃Ukrainians Are Fleeing DONBASS

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2024 1:08 utc | 599

Milites | Aug 14 2024 0:55 utc | 599
Yes. The Ukraine channels forecast the attack to the north, but they thought is would in the Kherson sector, to retake the small area Russia currently holds on the border.
But the way Nato pulled this off, no build up of forces before hand did take Russia by surprise, though they reacted very fast.
Dier Ezzor in Syria was an eye opener for me in the way Russia or Putin operated re setting a trap. A us is led air attack that included and Australian and Danish aircraft destroyed the defenses on the mountain over looking the air port which the defenders and city relied on for supplies.
Russia helicoptered Syrian reinforcements in, and I thought there would be a battle to retake the mountain top. But that did not occur. Instead it was turned into an ISIS. The small garrisson holding just the airfield perimeter and the city perimeter were the bait. Isis poured in there in droves, but Russia had obviously made it top priority for the aircraft.
The Druze general leading the defense on the ground was exception and with those defenders plus the Russian aircraft, the Dier Ezzor old grave yard became what was pretty much the graveyard of ISIS.
Nato/Ukraine attacks to widen the flanks are still ongoing so they will be so they will be taking big losse. Still likely civilians in settlements held by Ukraine, but every where else, civilians have been cleared and is a free fire zone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 14 2024 1:16 utc | 600