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August 12, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: The Kursk Incursion Was Stopped

On its seventh day the Ukrainian army incursion into the Russian Kursk oblast seems to have come to a halt. The front-lines are hardening and the Russian side is using its artillery and bombing predominance to push it back.

There are three Ukrainian brigades involved plus a number of battalions that have been dispatched away from their brigades involved in other parts of the front. The 80th and the 82nd paratrooper brigades are the main forces. They have partly been trained in Britain and Germany and are using western equipment. The 22nd mechanized brigade is the third major unit. Then there are some five to ten battalions from various other brigades.

The Economist reports (archived) on the operation from a hospital in Sumy:

[T]he accounts from Ukraine’s wounded suggest it has not been a walk in the park, and remains risky. The hospital ward reeks of the sacrifice: soil, blood, and stale sweat. Foil burn-dressings line the corridor. In the yard, the patients, some wrapped like mummies from head to toe in bandages, smoke furiously. Angol, a 28-year-old paratrooper with the 33rd brigade, looks like a Christmas tree. His left arm is immobilised in a fixation device. Tubes, bags and wires protrude from his body. He was also about 30km into Russia when his luck ran out. He isn’t sure if it was artillery or a bomb that hit him. Maybe it was friendly fire; there was a lot of that. All he can remember is falling to the ground and shouting “300”, the code for wounded. The Russians had been on the run up to then, he insists, abandoning equipment and ammunition as fast as they could.

That the Russia border troops have taken to run is not astonishing. They were mostly conscripts and not armed sufficiently to withstand an armored onslaught:

Some aspects of Ukraine’s operation appear to have been meticulously planned. Operational security delivered the element of surprise, a crucial aspect of warfare. “We sent our most combat-ready units to the weakest point on their border,” says a general-staff source deployed to the region. “Conscript soldiers faced paratroopers and simply surrendered.” But other aspects of the operation indicate a certain haste in preparation. All three soldiers quoted in this article were pulled, unrested, from under-pressure front lines in the east with barely a day’s notice.

The Ukrainian army moved in with the best troops it still had plus some extras scrapped from the bottom of its barrel. Russian units which have been moved to the border have put a halt to the Ukrainian movement. Mobile reconnaissance platoons the Ukrainians have been sending down the roads to outlaying towns have mostly been eliminated. The huge progress seen on some Ukraine friendly maps now looks much smaller. Some 30 small settlements have been captured but even the local administration center Sudzha, with previously 6,000 inhabitants, has not been fully conquered.

A new Ukrainian attempt today to cross the border at the Kolotilovka checkpoint in the Belgograd region has failed and the Ukrainian units involved there have taken losses.

Russia has thus mostly contained the Ukrainian onslaught. The operation is now a new meat grinder like Krinky on the southern front previously was. An operationally isolated attrition pit into which the Ukrainians will have to feed more and more reserves they do not have or will retreat from treeline by treeline.

Russian drones and bombers are now leading the fight. The Russian Ministry of Defense claims that the Ukrainian incursion has lost much of its armored equipment (machine translation):

In total, during the fighting in the Kursk area, the enemy lost up to 1,610 servicemen, 32 tanks, 23 armored personnel carriers, 17 infantry fighting vehicles, 136 armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, four anti-aircraft missile systems, a multiple launch rocket launcher and 13 field artillery pieces.

The Ukrainian side knew of the danger that its operation could be a dead end. As the Economist writes:

Ukraine does not appear to be reinforcing its positions in any serious sense. “Our calf demands a wolf,” the security source cautions, using a local saying to warn against overly ambitious objectives.

The source cautions against comparing the Kursk incursion to Ukraine’s successful swift recapture of much of Kharkiv province in late 2022. The Russian army is taking the war more seriously now, he says: “The danger is we’ll fall into a trap, and Russia will grind our teeth down.”

It seems to me that this is exactly what has now happened. It was utterly foreseeable.

The operation though is a momentarily still a success in that it increased the moral of the Ukrainian side:

Tired, dirty and exhausted, the soldiers say they regret no part of the risky operation that has already killed scores of their comrades: they would rejoin it in a heartbeat. “For the first time in a long time we have movement,” says Angol. “I felt like a tiger.”

That week long rush of good news for Ukraine is now at its end. The involved units, which already lost a full brigade worth of equipment, will shrink away further. There will be no one to replace them. In the Donbas the Russian army continues its offensive against the weakened and retreating Ukrainian units. New York, Chasiv Yar and Toretsk will soon be taken.

There will soon be questions asked in Kiev, "What was the point?", to which no one will have a good answer. The Ukrainian commander in chief General Syrski may well have to leave over it even though the pressure to do the hopeless operation came, as The Times writes (archived), from elsewhere:

President Zelensky’s personal fingerprints are all over it. It’s been an open secret in Kyiv for many months that the president was pressing his military chiefs to launch a summer offensive.

Given Ukraine’s manpower and resources problems, they were hesitant. But Zelensky is desperate to reverse the narrative that Ukraine is losing its war.

Zelenski believed the Kursk operation would help to keep the war going with Russia failing over time and Ukraine becoming the winner. The Russian Duma announced today that there will not be another mobilization. A mobilization, and following unrest, is something Zelenski had hoped for. There will be no uprising in Russia because of the Kursk incursion, just an increase in nationalism.

The week long operations was certainly insufficient to do change the long term narrative. The high it has caused in Kiev and elsewhere will soon make room for a deep depression.

Comments

They have written of the aims of this offensive – to sow doubt about the Russian leadership and create instability inside Russia, to draw Russian reserves away from other sectors, to boost morale amongst their own troops prior to the southern offensive, and to keep the western gravy flowing.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:06 utc | 400
There was no major success there, but…
Less FABs on the frontline would be a bronze or just a participation award on points 3 and 4?
And you didn’t answer the other point , announcement of nuclear terrorism (and the KNPP seems absent from that list)

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 15:22 utc | 401

On August 13, the Chargé d’Affaires of the Republic of Moldova in the Russian Federation , A. Chetraru, was summoned to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
The diplomat was expressed serious concern over information that appeared in Russian and Moldovan media that the F-16 aircraft being transferred by the West to the Kiev regime would be based at airfields in Moldova and would carry out bombing flights from there on Russian territory.
In this context, the attention of the Chargé d’Affaires was drawn to the ongoing militarization of Moldova and the holding of joint exercises of the country’s armed forces with contingents of NATO member states. It was noted that these trends contradict the constitutional status of permanent neutrality of the Republic of Moldova, its obligations under the statutory documents of the CIS, negatively affect the process of Transnistrian settlement and undermine the security of Moldova itself, where a significant number of Russian citizens live.
The statement by the Moldovan Foreign Ministry on August 13 regarding the alleged illegal deployment of Russian troops in Transnistria was dismissed as untenable and untrue.
The Moldovan side was called upon to strictly adhere to the neutral status , which is the basis of the statehood of the Republic of Moldova, and not to take steps that could contribute to the escalation of the Ukrainian crisis, indicate Chisinau’s involvement in it, and have a destructive impact on the situation around Transnistria.

https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1823366238019432456

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:31 utc | 402

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
MI-6 transmitted new intelligence to the OP and the General Staff about the imminent counterattack of the Russian army in the Kursk region in order to unblock the city of Suju and cut off the supply routes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. British intelligence recommends that Syrsky take this risk into account, so that the advanced groups of the Ukrainian army are not cut off and surrounded.

Looks like MI6 either didn’t lose their asset or have acquired a new on. A long time since they have passed on this sort of info.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:37 utc | 403

To make matters worse for Russia, Ukraine is flying F16s now. Apparently, Russia cannot stop these planes from arriving nor can they destroy every runway in Ukraine. They have their hands full with the Krusk debacle.
The F16 represents yet another failure for Putin’s SMO; before his invasion, sending Ukraine Javelins was a big deal for the West.
Good to see the Fighting Falcon in the air. Ukraine should take this slow before striking:
1. Many have mentioned the Kerch bridge as an inviting target. It’s destruction would further humiliate Putin. That’s the goal. The Viet Cong sought also to humiliate US leadership.
2. Striking Russian naval assets in the Black Sea. The Viet Cong would have sunk the US fleet if they had the means, why not?
3. Doolittle raids on Leningrad and Moscow. Although, the pilots would have to ditch their planes in the Baltic Sea or bail out over Russia. Costly, yet demoralizing. I doubt NATO would allow it.
4. Wrecking havoc along the long front, especially Krusk. The F16 has powerful air to ground capability and wouldn’t even have to get close to the Russian lines.
5. Shooting down Russian military planes. This would sow more chaos and embarrass Russia, which is on its way to going 404 itself, thanks to Putin.
Remember, Russia has bombed every major city in Ukraine. It is both just and legal for Ukraine to strike into the heart of Russia with these planes.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 404

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 14:47 utc | 395
A by product is not a goal, re: depletion of the ‘heavy hitters’. Unfortunately the Eastern Front is collapsing, so major gains (three villages in a day) without that many FABs, so a lack of coordination between the two fronts, to the detriment of both.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 15:39 utc | 405

Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 405
Piss off shitbag.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:40 utc | 406

The 2024 battle of Kursk ~ The 1968 North Vietnamese Tet Offensive
The North Vietnamese militarily lost in that Tet offensive; but, they managed to place enough visible death and destruction in front of the US public that the public began to believe that the war was unwinnable. Public support for the war declined, eventually leading to the end of that war. I believe this particular result is what Ho Chi Minh had intended all along.
Zelensky is no Ho Chi Minh. But it’s hard to ignore the similarities of the two battles and not conclude that Zelensky is trying to influence the minds of the Russian citizens into questioning whether or not the SMO (Putin) will achieve anything.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Aug 13 2024 15:42 utc | 407

Remember, Russia has bombed every major city in Ukraine. It is both just and legal for Ukraine to strike into the heart of Russia with these planes.
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 405
The “minor difference” being that the Ukrainian bombings aren’t distinguishable from war crimes as they intentionally focus on causing maximum civilian suffering, while Russia has intentionally refrained from striking civilian targets when at all possible. But, nice try. At least you’re being open about your allegiances now: Pro-NATO, Pro-Ukraine, Pro-Nazi, Anti-Russia.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 15:43 utc | 408

“And you little people have the nerve to accuse others of being trolls who only contribute low-effort garbage.
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 13 2024 14:25 utc | 389”
Huh? Exactly where did I call anyone a troll?
ps sorry you list your sense of humor, assuming you had one to lose.

Posted by: Mary | Aug 13 2024 15:46 utc | 409

@ Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 405
what is your ideological position with regard to this war? it sounds as though you think the west are the good guys.. most here don’t see it this way – in fact – we see it just the opposite.. for me this is a war between nato and russia with ukraine being used as fodder for the west to try to take down russia.. all that has happened is a lot of innocent people have died and the military industrial complex, along with the banking and energy complex – have profited off this.. war = money.. it is indeed a racket.. we really ought to be opposed to war for all these reasons… however – my own position is that this war was forced on russia.. i blame nato and in particular the usa-uk for this – just as i do the war on iraq, the war in libya and a whole lot of other wars…

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 15:47 utc | 410

*lost* your sense of humor.

Posted by: Mary | Aug 13 2024 15:47 utc | 411

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 15:22 utc | 402
Less fab on the Frontline except a lot more on Sumy.
Once they get the afu outside kursk, or possibly before, Sumy will be part of the Frontline.
Ukrainian stunt can be played both ways. 😎

Posted by: Mario | Aug 13 2024 15:49 utc | 412

Piss off shitbag.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:40 utc | 407
Peter has moved from denial “Muh Attrition” to anger as he goes through the four stages of grief. Grief not only over Putin’s failed SMO, but the grief of being the village idiot of MofA.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:50 utc | 413

Piss off shitbag.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:40 utc | 407
Peter has moved from denial “Muh Attrition” to anger as he goes through the four stages of grief. Grief not only over Putin’s failed SMO, but the grief of being the village idiot of MofA.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:50 utc | 414

Note that apart the wet dreams of Napoleon there is no report of 16 use.
By the way, they have a few of them, nothing that can cause havoc.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 13 2024 15:54 utc | 415

@ Mario | Aug 13 2024 15:54 utc | 416
agreed… lots of fantasy going on – still.. amazing..

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 15:55 utc | 416

Peter has moved from denial “Muh Attrition” to anger as he goes through the four stages of grief. Grief not only over Putin’s failed SMO, but the grief of being the village idiot of MofA.
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:50 utc | 414
Peter may be an idiot but at least I don’t think he’s my political enemy. You, on the other hand, cheerleading for American warbirds over the Ukraine? Well…

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 15:59 utc | 417

malenkov | Aug 13 2024 13:13 utc | 371
“Consider the possible flight paths between Iran and Russia. Who would shoot down such a plane, and exactly where?”
Way back I think in March (18/19), idly browsing Flightradar24, I spotted a US Special Forces Hercules, en route to Tblisi, and then to Almaty. For some of the time its transponders were off.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/08-6201#346a8e2c
“MC-130s’ missions are the infiltration, exfiltration, and resupply of special operations forces, and the air refueling of (primarily) special operations helicopter and tilt-rotor aircraft.”
I spotted this flight quite by chance. How many more have there been, and what weapons are scattered south of Russia’s borders?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 16:01 utc | 418

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 405
have you found putins financial documents already, or will you keep spouting more bullmanure on a daily basis?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 13 2024 16:03 utc | 419

And looking at a map, you pretty much have to go over Georgia to get to Iran.
There are plenty of naive or bought western agents in Georgia, see the recent attempted colour revolution. Maybe they are there just for that purpose.
(I always assume that weapons will be ex-Soviet for plausible deniability.)

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 16:09 utc | 420

To make matters worse for Russia, Ukraine is flying F16s now. Apparently, Russia cannot stop these planes from arriving nor can they destroy every runway in Ukraine. They have their hands full with the Krusk debacle.
The F16 represents yet another failure for Putin’s SMO; before his invasion, sending Ukraine Javelins was a big deal for the West.
Good to see the Fighting Falcon in the air. Ukraine should take this slow before striking:
1. Many have mentioned the Kerch bridge as an inviting target. It’s destruction would further humiliate Putin. That’s the goal. The Viet Cong sought also to humiliate US leadership.
2. Striking Russian naval assets in the Black Sea. The Viet Cong would have sunk the US fleet if they had the means, why not?
3. Doolittle raids on Leningrad and Moscow. Although, the pilots would have to ditch their planes in the Baltic Sea or bail out over Russia. Costly, yet demoralizing. I doubt NATO would allow it.
4. Wrecking havoc along the long front, especially Krusk. The F16 has powerful air to ground capability and wouldn’t even have to get close to the Russian lines.
5. Shooting down Russian military planes. This would sow more chaos and embarrass Russia, which is on its way to going 404 itself, thanks to Putin.
Remember, Russia has bombed every major city in Ukraine. It is both just and legal for Ukraine to strike into the heart of Russia with these planes.
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 405

Javelins? They proved not to be very effective, in fact, their efficiency declined into the teens. Who cares if F-16 ‘arrive’ or not. They seem to not be doing anything useful currently to support this AFU offensive in Kursk, wonder why. So the best remaining, creme de la creme crop troops of AFU were put to attack Kursk without F-16. Ok.
We heard Nato will base them in Romania and Moldova because they were unable to build a permanent arming base in Ukraine. Russia destroyed all base setup efforts to arm missiles.
1. At this point destroying the Kursk bridge is irrelevant, that ship has long since sailed. The war moved up a notch and symbolics no longer matter. That ship has passed, it’s now destroying enemy, which is going ever faster as Zelensky replaces Nato’s inability to provide weapons by more force recruited infantry. They spent 18 months most of Nato’s long range weapons trying to hit the bridge, to naught.
2. Once again, who cares? The RUAF fleet can hit any target in Ukraine from any part in the Black Sea. Ports being open are more or less irrelevant now, they monitor these port facilities and see stuff or fuel unloaded. There haven’t been any sinkings for months now, anyway.
3. Doolittle raid? You are too stuck up in the WW2 story fairy tales where US supposedly beat Hitler by itself, which wasn’t the case.
4. So far F-16 hasn’t been seen. Maybe they are somewhere, but the AFU offensive spearhead was crushed. If there ever was the time to use them, it was days ago.
5. Speculation. Maybe they could shoot down Russian planes. Like they could have done that last year, or the year before. And..?

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2024 16:13 utc | 421

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 4:43 utc | 270
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Posted by: snake | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 422

What is your ideological position with regard to this war? it sounds as though you think the west are the good guys
Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 15:47 utc | 411
Good guys? This isn’t cowboys and Indians. Thank you for engaging in dialogue instead of tantrums.
I guess it depends what ideology I happen to embrace at the moment. From a Marxist perspective, the only resolution would be for Ukrainian and Russian troops to overthrow their exploitive governments and form a worker superstate — that would terrify the West!
My ideology is anti-war. I am against Putin’s invasion. If you love Russia, please do everything possible to stop the war and remove Putin. He has transformed Ukraine into a NATO super state.
I want the war to go south for Putin, until he is removed and a cease-fire is negotiated.
I would be so depressed if I was a Russian soldier reading these threads, going in and assuming that the posters supported me. I would soon find out that the Russia chicken-hawks here simply want me to die and many others after me for their idiotic attrition doctrine, which is only a cope for Putin’s failed invasion.
I like both Russia and Ukraine and I know many people from both nations. Putin is only sending Russians to die to save face. His invasion failed. It is disgusting that barflies feel the same way, they have no respect for Russian life. War for them is an extended two-minutes of hate, as they morph into the worst of Orwell, the worst of fascism, in their uniquely comical way.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 423

@ YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 16:01 utc | 419
I doubt the USA would shoot down a Russian plane over Georgia. No amount of plausible deniability could hide such an attack.
Well, not unless the USA were ready and eager for thermonuclear war.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 16:21 utc | 424

I like both Russia
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 424

no you dont. you have shown plenty of times that your ideological stance is pro nazism.
you have swallowed the western propaganda lies like the good little prostitute that you are.
from the “full scale invasion” to “putin the 200b kgb agent” to every single wunderwaffels.
you are just an dishonest shill.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 13 2024 16:21 utc | 425

@Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2024 16:13 utc | 422
You didn’t throw a tantrum and start screaming Nazi, as is the barfly way. Merci.
About the F16s, we shall see.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:21 utc | 426

you are just an dishonest shill.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 13 2024 16:21 utc | 426
Yeah I’m a dishonest shill. The F16 doesn’t exist. Take your meds.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:25 utc | 427

I do genuinely wish to see an actual honest pro-NATO poster here who wouldn’t hide behind newsweek articles, random telegram channel posts or pretend they are pro-Russia like a coward and would simply say and argue what they genuinely think. I suppose “smart”, “honest” and “pro-NATO” is a rare Venn diagram.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 13 2024 16:28 utc | 428

I thank the lackey Napoleon for reminding me what the ugly face of our narcissistic and sociopathic masters and lords of the West looks like.
Watching him enjoy this dreadful tragedy is as unbearable as seeing the blindness of the Russian ruling class.

Posted by: Simon | Aug 13 2024 16:30 utc | 429

Yeah I’m a dishonest shill. The F16 doesn’t exist.
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:25 utc | 428

finally an admission, thank you very much!
now that you have gotten over the first hurdle, you should admit that you cannot bring up any proof for your spreading of the “putin is worth 200b” lie from bill browder, the convicted felon.
i am not sure how you come to the conclusion that the f16 doesnt exist though?
sounds like some mental issue, you should definetly get that checked as soon as possible!

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 13 2024 16:32 utc | 430

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:25 utc | 428
F16 exists but they have never be used in Ukraine.
So, if and when they will be used, and the really not probable case that they will succed, then you can come back and brag about it.
Meanwhile stick to more or less ‘true’ facts.
What you fantasize about is meaningless.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 13 2024 16:33 utc | 431

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 13 2024 15:10 utc | 401
East Mediterranean energy resources are also at the heart of the Palestine war. Why the oil platforms in the Eastern Mediterranean are still functioning is a mystery. Also, why shipping into Israel is unimpeded doesn’t make sense.

Maybe no mystery; maybe it does make sense. We can start with ‘cui bono’, to whom the benefit?
Obviously, Israeli-related commercial interests. So it is reasonable to deduce they still have clout in the region. Mystery solved.
That said, I thought shipping into Israel was being impeded around Yemen, no? Or are you talking about Mediterranean traffic? I personally have been viewing not only the public announcement that Hezbollah is using Russian missiles but also Yemen blocking Israeli shipping as symptoms of a shift in geopolitical tectonics.
In any case, the forces behind Western ‘hegemony’ have also been involved in the economic and political rise of all major nations worldwide, including those ostensibly now arrayed against them as ‘multipolarists’. A tangled geopolitical web has been woven the past few centuries: touch any part of it and the entire interconnected web vibrates, both centre and fringe.
Meanwhile, every hour literally billions of dollars worth of goods flow through just the Red Sea owned by families many of whom have been involved in such trade for millennia and with connections in every major nation and trading network world wide. The Jewish credit networks are a well-known, though not deeply analyzed, manifestation of this dynamic but surely are not the only ones.
The point being that even though there is ostensible conflict around Yemen, Gaza, Ukraine and elsewhere such flows continue on uninterrupted. Making what is ongoing a type of geopolitical negotiation, with occasional kinetics. Maybe Israel is making a play to control most of the trade through the Red Sea into Gaza instead of the Suez Canal, thus controlling the main artery of maritime trade between East and West. Perhaps they also have their gaze on Odesa as the next major link into Europe after Gaza? This speculation is probably wrong, but something like this is probably ongoing as part of an attempt to determine the main players in long-term global trade flows.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 16:35 utc | 432

Schrödingers F-16s…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 13 2024 16:37 utc | 433

A week has passed since the beginning of the NATO invasion of the Kursk region, and the enemy, contrary to Gerasimov’s promises, has not been “squeezed out of Russian territory”, but only according to official data controls 28 settlements in the region (the authorities do not know about the fate of at least 3 thousand citizens, and 180 thousand residents were evacuated), continues sabotage and it started digging in. Moreover, the AFU was again convicted of using chemical weapons, and former Ukrainian president Zelensky is begging the West for even longer-range missiles. In parallel, the shelling of neighboring regions, especially Belgorod region, intensified.
Without justifying the “hype” at all, we note that in conditions of a lack of honest official information, conversations about the “choked blitzkrieg of the Armed Forces of Ukraine” or about the “exhausted enemy” are no less dangerous – because they anger the population of the border region and “rock the boat” no less than panic, which even Putin admitted. Moreover, the Kiev regime hardly has the strength to continue the Kursk adventure for a long time and the turning point will come soon anyway, and the invasion has breathed a second wind into many Russians, who have become much more active in helping the front and fellow citizens in trouble.
If you read only Russian MoD and govt’s official channels or affiliated channels the situation in Kursk is already under control. Unfortunately this is not the case. Likely it will be possible to kick the invaders out of Russian territory in coming weeks when all battalions (3-4) pulled back from the SMO zone are going to be put into the battle but it’s not anymore a matter of days. Plus in order to secure the border and set up a buffer zone on former Ukrainian territory it will be necessary to increase the number of troops involved in the SMO from 600k to at least 700k.
Eurasia & Multipolarity

Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 13 2024 16:38 utc | 434

Mario@432….please, enlighten us, how about a front line report. You seem to have far more important 404 information than any poster here.
Cheers M
…..it is about bragging rights, yes…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 13 2024 16:39 utc | 435

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:25 utc | 428
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Provide a source for the F-16s being active today if you want to be taken seriously.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 16:39 utc | 436

According to the BBC website:
“Ukraine not interested in holding Russian territory after offensive, Kyiv says”..
Quelle Surprise !!
Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Aug 13 2024 16:46 utc | 437

A week has passed since the beginning of the NATO invasion of the Kursk region …
Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 13 2024 16:38 utc | 435
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In the future, please accurately state that it is a Nazi invasion of the Kursk region. Ukraine is NOT in NATO.
Let’s remember, this all started with a genocide of the population of the Donbass in 2014 by self-identified Neo-Nazi units. Post-2014, people could travel to Ukraine and the Nazi forces would organize “Safaris” where Russians in East Ukraine could be hunted without legal consequence.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 16:47 utc | 438

Posted by: Engineer-John | Aug 13 2024 16:46 utc | 438
They might find the reverse is not true though!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 16:50 utc | 439

Watching him enjoy this dreadful tragedy is as unbearable as seeing the blindness of the Russian ruling class.
Posted by: Simon | Aug 13 2024 16:30 utc | 430
What inept gaslighting. You are the one that supports Putin invasion, which has killed hundreds of thousands. If you are against death, call for an immediate ceasefire.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:55 utc | 440

Ukrainians seem like very stupid people.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Aug 13 2024 16:56 utc | 441

I certainly hope that the Ukrainian invasion into Russia is not analogous to the invasion of the US at the southern border, because the reason people (not many Mexicans nowadays, so 1848 is irrelevant) waltz across the border and are bused or flown to the place of their choice is because the US government wants it that way.
Or, that is, the class which controls the US government wants millions of illegals to work for peanuts, undercutting workers wages in the US.
They also want them to beef up the US armed forces, since young people born and raised in the US are unfit for the role, being obese and drug addled.
If Russia is deliberately letting invaders attack people living in the border areas, the way the US does, it would be a terrible thing. We can only wait and see.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 13 2024 16:59 utc | 442

The invasion is not stopped. It is ongoing. Ukrainian forces are very hard to remove. They obviously have huge manpower. It is Russia that has thin lines which is why Ukrainian forces are sometimes able to take large amounts of territory when they strike.
Kursk Region
– The situation is unchanged;
– There are localized clashes in the vicinity of Sudzha and Korenevo; –
There are fights on the western outskirts of the settlement of Kamyshnoye
– Aviation and UAV operators are active;
– There was artillery shelling in Tetkino, now everything has calmed down;
– The 61st and 54th separate airborne brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are conducting additional reconnaissance in the air

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 13 2024 17:00 utc | 443

What you fantasize about is meaningless.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 13 2024 16:33 utc | 432
F16s are in Ukraine and will be attacking Russian assets. If you need to stick your head in the sand like an ostrich and call it meaningless, be my guest.
I am sure the Russian Air Force takes a less ridiculous position regarding the introduction of the F16 and has considered all of my scenarios above.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 17:02 utc | 444

Napoleon
You are either a servile lackey or a complete ignoramus trapped in children’s narrative
Your small, narrow mental world fits on a postage stamp

Posted by: Simon | Aug 13 2024 17:02 utc | 445

malenkov | Aug 13 2024 16:21 utc | 425
What about NS2? The US seem to have got away with that.
What do you think Special Forces planes are doing in Georgia?
When you have total media control you can persuade people that black is white.
I could easily see some never before heard of “Georgian Liberation Army” claiming the hit.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 17:04 utc | 446

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 14:47 utc | 395
A by product is not a goal, re: depletion of the ‘heavy hitters’. Unfortunately the Eastern Front is collapsing, so major gains (three villages in a day) without that many FABs, so a lack of coordination between the two fronts, to the detriment of both.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 15:39 utc | 406
I stand corrected, but Pete’s list included diversion of troops from front to kursk, wouldn’t that also be a by product? And if (as he has stated) it’s Z’s list, then there would be no goals, only byproducts, regime overthrow, troop transfers… In the sense you give (and I don’t disagree) Z had no goals in this caper.
Not that it would amaze me that Z has no goal that he can present publicly

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 17:04 utc | 447

sounds like some mental issue, you should definetly get that checked as soon as possible!
Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 13 2024 16:32 utc | 431
That was a tactic in the old Soviet Union, locking up dissidents in mental hospitals.
I would suggest that you are mentally ill. You have a tantrum whenever anyone strays from Russian war propaganda. Why do differing opinions infuriate you?

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 17:08 utc | 448

Your small, narrow mental world fits on a postage stamp
Posted by: Simon | Aug 13 2024 17:02 utc | 446
You certainly aren’t a poet.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 17:09 utc | 449

The Ukrainian Gambit began in 1997 when William Perry
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Perry
was replaced by William Cohen
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cohen
Shut up and stop making a fool of yourself because you know nothing about this tragedy
(The Ukrainian Gambit … our masters will die of laughter because they despise the Ukrainians even more than the Russians)

Posted by: Simon | Aug 13 2024 17:12 utc | 450

@ Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 424
okay.. thanks for responding.. what nationality are you? i am a canadian… it sounds as though you identify with the way this nato – russia war has been presented in the western media – it is all russias fault and russia invaded and etc. etc. – putin has to go… these are western msm talking points.. what is missing in your overview is the role of nato, especially since the maiden protests of late 2013 and 2014.. events like this appear to be completely overlooked or ignored.. the idea that the usa-uk wanted a war with russia appears beyond your thinking capabilities, or – you have completely bought the narrative as presented in the western msm… that is why i ask what nationality you are…

Posted by: james | Aug 13 2024 17:15 utc | 451

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 17:04 utc | 447
##########
The issue for the Empire of Lies and its mentally/emotionally/morally handicapped supporters is that lies will never defeat reality. The Russians focus on physical reality. They worry less about propaganda and more about generating fatalities. They don’t attack power stations to create narratives, they destroy power stations to limit travel by electric trains. They destroy power stations such that once winter arrives, the Ukrainian government will have no choice but to surrender. By candlelight if necessary.
It would be one thing if the trolls at MoA could occasionally make a sound point on behalf of Ukraine (it’s always against Russia, not pro-Ukraine) that holds up for 3 months. They can’t. No one is lauding the military acumen or tactical genius of the AFU. No one is impressed by the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men flooding recruitment offices.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 17:16 utc | 452

At this point in time there is no evidence that the F16’s are in the Ukraine.
Nor is there any evidence that they have flown combat missions from any NATO country either.
Volo’s PR photo op in front of an obsolete F 16 C in Romania accounts for nothing.
The instant one arrives in the Ukraine, somewhere around Lvov its going to be neutralized by Russian hypesonic missiles.
UAF pilots have yet to be certified to fly the aircraft, so who will fly them…….NATO pilots of course.
More wunderwaffe nonsense, the UAF army is collapsing all along the southern front, and nothing happening near Kursk will change that equation. The UAF is done, stick a fork in them……

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 13 2024 17:18 utc | 453

Dear barflies,
Why do you even read the verbiage from Napoleon, Vargas, and one or two others from the same flock?
Months of discussion prove to me they won’t change your opinions and vice versa.
Therefore, there’s zero point to reading or replying to their comments.

Posted by: despondent | Aug 13 2024 17:19 utc | 454

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 17:08 utc | 449
you can label your love for nazism as “different opinion” as much as you want, but you will still remain a nazi shill.
article 51 of the un charter, r2p. russia protects the people that are beeing systematically ethnically cleansed from THEIR land. and nato supports this ethnic cleansing.
yet you little nazi shill pretend that its “muh invasion”.
are you a doctor? because your diagnose about mental illnesses is awfully off.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 13 2024 17:21 utc | 455

More wunderwaffe nonsense, the UAF army is collapsing all along the southern front, and nothing happening near Kursk will change that equation. The UAF is done, stick a fork in them……
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 13 2024 17:18 utc | 454K

Yep, but gotta keep the NAFO’s engaged. They have very short attention spans, shorter tempers, and zero memory.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 13 2024 17:22 utc | 456

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 17:09 utc | 450
##############
Still no source for as my dear friend, Jeremy Rhymings-Lang, has named, “Schrödingers F-16s”?
If you make unsupported claims, what is your value to the bar?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 13 2024 17:22 utc | 457

@ YetAnotherAnon | Aug 13 2024 17:04 utc | 447
NS2 wasn’t Russian territory or even state property, let a lone a military asset.
I imagine Russia could respond forcefully to any attack by Georgian entities within Georgia.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 17:24 utc | 458

@ despondent | Aug 13 2024 17:19 utc | 455
As a general rule I tend yo agree, but sometimes I learn things from the responses.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 17:26 utc | 459

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 16:35 utc | 433
******
Yes I was thinking of Mediterranean shipping into Israel. Also, as you stated shipping into Eilat has been greatly reduced (50% as of March 2024).
The Eilat to Gaza route is interesting but probably not economical because of cargo unloading and reloading costs and time. Possible but I don’t see it at this time. Perhaps, if there is another Suez crisis.
Odessa has always been in the Israeli sights as a target of economic opportunity. However, I think they realize that the best they can now hope for is an Autonomous Odessa Oblast under Russian control.
However, they are looking at other countries. For example, Jarred Kushner signed a very unpopular deal with Serbian government latest week to built a resort hotel. He’s now onto Bulgaria. People need a place to stay, after all.
If Serbia and Montenegro get together again there’s the seaport. Then with Bulgaria, there’s the Black Sea and Euro-Asian opening.
Just sayin

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 13 2024 17:30 utc | 460

Watching TG clip these last couple of days I noticed that the AFU created a target rich environment of heavy equipment for the RuAF but what exactly are they there to shoot at? “I think I saw something move behind that farm shed, over on the right, fire at it!”

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 17:30 utc | 461

Deep State updated early today. Pretty significant advance toward Gordivka (sp?). Took Ivanivka and fields adjacent.
Gordivka is first larger town, and a significant stepping stone towards Povrosk. Not really into significant combat yet, inside that city, just some probing. But the advance across Ivanivka and related sets RFA up to be able to at least have a “wall” facing the Gordi. Not pincers nipping a salient, but at least not just a sole tentacle of their own. I don’t think it will be a tomorrow type thing, but a this month thing, maybe even this week, to get into Gordi seriously.
It seems strange (even more than normal) how the DS updates are working. I mean they clearly didn’t report Kursk on time. And even now are just reporting “day 2”. Also, it seems like on the days where they report Kursk, they don’t report other sectors. So…does that mean nothing happened or (presumably) the report for other sectors (which is my interest) reflect a couple days progress.
So…a lot of things wrong with DS. Been wrong before, but a little worse now. All that said, it’s obvious how everyone (including on the pro RFA side) is somewhat dependent on DS updates. I actually sort of find myself playing a mental Bayesian guessing game of wondering what the next update will be. And it’s partly where the progress will occur and partly where/when an intel drop will be done (or, increasingly, confessed to).
For tomorrow (unless that’s another Kursk only, and from days ago), I would expect to see something about the Suriyak report in the south of Chasiv Yar (small hill, but helpful in pushing the front, which is lagging).
I’m also curious about Zhelane (south part of the Pokroskv tentacle…I do need to learn how to spell better). Just would have expected it to get swallowed a while ago. But DS still showing grey zone there, meaning contested. Not sure how to interpret, given the (increasing) thumb on the scale from DS. But at the same time, it really may be local conditions. All that said, would not be surprised in a day or two to see a similar change as with Ivanivka.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2024 17:35 utc | 462

The AFU is continuing to push deeper into Russia. IMHO it looks like the RF is letting them really stick their neck out to make it easier to chop it off. AFU has to run logistics through a big narrow salient with zero AD coverage. Why stomp’em when you can just continue to bleed them?
I’d say the one thing that did totally surprise me about the SMO to date is the West’s willingness to keep walking into woodchippers.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 13 2024 17:38 utc | 463

‘ The 61st and 54th separate airborne brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are conducting additional reconnaissance in the air’
What, when they’re hit by a FAB 1500?
You must understand taking territory is pointless without an objective, this is not a game with victory points for every hex captured. The more they push into Russia the longer the path home will be, the longer it takes for their logistics train. Sorry, in this ‘game’, you can’t switch off the ‘realistic supply’ option. Cool graphics though!

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 17:41 utc | 464

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 17:30 utc | 462
They are suffering ordeal, by crappy planning.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 17:43 utc | 465

464:
107D chess! Yes…the RFA, didn’t bother obliterating the UFA advance a week ago. Got to make a better trap first.
A man believes what he wants to believe. And disregards the rest.

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2024 17:44 utc | 466

I have waded through the sewage that abounds on this thread. I agree strongly with don’t feed the trolls. Or, to be more literary:

“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
― George Bernard Shaw

I would offer a more bar-adjacent metaphor than trolls: soccer hooligans.
MoA is well known as an anti-Nazi, pro-Russia bar. Recently a gang of soccer hooligans have shown up and started singling the Liverpool fight song in a Machester United bar. Given that metaphor, is it surprising that Peter AU1 has reached for the nearest pool cue and started “encouraging” them to head for the door?
Its also well-known that the barkeep, b, is a most tolerant soul (continued good wishes for his recovering health). So it falls to the customers to take out the trash.
You’re never get a Liverpool hooligan to admit that ManU is a better team. We need to run the hooligans out of the bar so it can go back to intelligent discussions with honest facts.
I do not follow soccer, and that’s about as far as I can take the metaphor.

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 13 2024 17:49 utc | 467

Every-time some kind of “pacifist” take power : wars ended-up being needlessly extended … Pacifism for itself is an utopia. “Pacifist” Hellensky should have pursue neutrality if he wanted “Peace” instead of doing the ATO… and not following terms of the Minsk agreement. Let him and his supporters bear the fruits of their inconsequential behavior.
Once again, the Russians are mopping up the shit of Euro-Anglo politicians.
Save a khokol ; vote down a deep-state senator !

Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 13 2024 17:49 utc | 468

For the sake of multipolar world and future Russia, free from Putin’s oligarchs and western liberals it is important to expose the fake narrative about the Russian omnipotency.
I do not say that Putin is a bad person, he is much better then any western leader, but he does not understand the nature if this conflict. He is too soft.
Therefore, I am not a troll, I do not enjoy in Russian defeats. On the contrary.
I took this troll like course as I was schocked that almost everybody thinks so one dimensionally. Somebody has to play devil’s advocate.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 13 2024 17:50 utc | 469

“Piss off shitbag.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 15:40 utc | 407
Show some respect for b Peter.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 13 2024 17:53 utc | 470

… smile-gentlemen-we-are-winning
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 13 2024 13:18 utc | 375

Rube whispering is a handy genre to encourage unity in difficult times, the cost seems to be that necessary reforms also gets buried under it, for how could reform be necessary when all is so timeless and correct. This isn’t the first border rodeo.
An uncontroversial assessment would be that it was within the means and obligations of the MoD to surreptitiously deploy backup surveillance and fire support assets, to cover many related scenarios, as indicated by previous border incursions.
Luring Ukrainian forces into those preparations would have been a worthy piece of work.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 13 2024 17:53 utc | 471

There’s still no reason for Ukraine to be there losing materiel and soldiers. What does success look like for Ukraine in Kursk oblast?
Cheering for this Kursk action is like cheering for Ukraine in the Olympics, it might provide serve some purpose for patriotic fervor and national cohesion but is ultimately inconsequential to the war effort. Worse than inconsequential because picnics in Kursk cost Ukrainian lives.

Posted by: a stone | Aug 13 2024 17:57 utc | 472

Show some respect for b Peter.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 13 2024 17:53 utc | 471
——
I take your point. However, b has had plenty of opportunites to tell both the hooligans and Peter AU1 to tone it down. He has not yet intervened.
Its very difficult to interpret silence. So, until b says something, I will just stay at my end of the bar and let Peter and the hooligans duke it out.

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 13 2024 17:58 utc | 473

A man believes what he wants to believe. And disregards the rest.
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2024 17:44 utc | 467

It was a conjecture, but the end result will be the same — destruction of what’s left of the AFU reserves, with nothing accomplished beyond embellishing AFU’s reputation as terrorists.
For now NAFOs will temporarily get to celebrate their territorial gains while losing their ass everywhere that really matters.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 13 2024 17:59 utc | 474

The Ukrainian side has begun to describe the Kursk action as a “raid”, a different spin from what was presented during the first few days when sources stated they were going to dig in and hold territory to force Russian concessions. A “raid” is an action that does not hold territory.
I would guess that this shift in terms is intentional for propaganda purposes, to define the parameters of success for the various domestic and international audiences.

Posted by: a stone | Aug 13 2024 18:08 utc | 475

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 17:02 utc | 445
If and when it will happen I will be with you.
By now you are only dreaming.
It reminds me of the wunderwaffen Challenger, Leopard, Abrams, Patriots…
Everything burned with near to no effect.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 13 2024 18:08 utc | 476

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 13 2024 17:49 utc | 468
Word.
(Funny thing is every time someone reasonably ask everyone not to feed the trolls, the next poster invariably adresses a troll and usually quite politely.)
It’s so hurtful to be ignored … It’s something I wholeheartedly wish for all those trolls.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 13 2024 18:10 utc | 477

475:
Certainly, it could end up being a strategic miscalculation and the wrong thing. But so far, at least the operational initial planning and execution were excellent. And pro Russian types saying that “it was a trap” are in huge cope mode.
Then again, I don’t expect much intelligence or moral courage from the average Internet lickspittle. Little Me Too dogs:
https://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/bigdogmetoo.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2024 18:11 utc | 478

Historically, Russia has only themselves to blame for the far-right Bandera movement in Ukraine. Bandera thrived because Stalin was a tyrant. Many Ukrainians (foolishly I think) threw their lot in with Hitler when Germany snatched Ukraine from Stalin’s distopian grip.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 18:12 utc | 479

every time someone reasonably ask everyone not to feed the trolls, the next poster invariably adresses a troll and usually quite politely.
Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 13 2024 18:10 utc | 478
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Thanks for your commiseration. Yes. Its the textbook definition of insanity:
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
—-
By trying to popularize the term soccer hooligan, I’m trying to get through the mindset that these bad actoers can be reasoned with.

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 13 2024 18:25 utc | 480

“Bandera thrived because Stalin was a tyrant.”
Bandera thrived because Stalin failed to eliminate him.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 18:26 utc | 481

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 18:26 utc | 482
With due respect for you many contributions here, may I ask why, after nearly 500 posts, you continue to play whack-a-mole with this obvious hooligan? I understand the hooligan’s goals, and he is achieving them. I don’t understand your reasoning. Could you enlighten me?
The only way to get rid of these people is to shun them, ignore them, or just yell obscenities at them. Correcting their non-stop falsehoods wastes your time and (as the saying goes) does NOT annoy the pig.

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 13 2024 18:31 utc | 482

And pro Russian types saying that “it was a trap” are in huge cope mode.
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 13 2024 18:11 utc | 479

I threw out the idea of a honeypot days ago, but then The Duran mentioned a credible source stating that it was indeed a trap and had originally mentioned it to Mercouris a couple months prior.
Tell me this… Why de-mine an area when you don’t already have your own forces present to use it or at least defend it?

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 13 2024 18:31 utc | 483

john brewster @ 481
Pointless to reason, pointless to fight, paid (minimum wage) NAFO trolls, or wannabe NAFO trolls. How sad is the latter?
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 18:31 utc | 484

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 18:31 utc | 485
Props to you. Uppie is more to the point than Albert.
The question is why otherwise intelligent people persist in searching to make the hooligans “understand”. Someone even posted the rules for “forum sliding” as a guide to the uninformed – to no avail.

Posted by: john brewster | Aug 13 2024 18:36 utc | 485

@ john brewster | Aug 13 2024 18:36 utc | 486
For the record I have no interest in making a troll “understand” anything. And especially in the case of paid trolls, ignoring them will not make them go away.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 18:41 utc | 486

I may have missed it Bonaparte. But I did not see where you answered James’ question from post 452.

Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 13 2024 18:43 utc | 487

Indeed, ignoring them will not make them go away. They will go away after the narrative undeniably moves gainst them, i.e. Ukrostan obviously losing again, and they will scurry back into their holes. Until then they will shit up the thread what seems to be their goal.
The line above, that Bandera was only reacting to Stalin’s evil, is pure revisionist claptrap. ‘Oh those poor Nazis apparently only reacting to some even greatererer Evil!’ At least one should point that out.

Posted by: Roland | Aug 13 2024 18:48 utc | 488

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 18:12 utc | 480
Lol ! Who created the uniate chisme ? Stalin ? Who created the OUN ? Stalin ? Who send the guy to Radio Free Liberty Europe in Munich after WWII ? Stalin ?
On devrait jamais quitter Sainte Hellène !!

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Aug 13 2024 18:50 utc | 489

These NAFO losers btw have their own discord channels and are organising “raids” etc. I can imagine them going “hey that argument with the Nazis in Ukraine makes us kinda look bad, what can we say against it?” “How about that it’s all Stalin’s fault, that’ll do it!”
Pathetic.

Posted by: Roland | Aug 13 2024 18:50 utc | 490

Historically, Russia has only themselves to blame for the far-right Bandera movement in Ukraine. Bandera thrived because Stalin was a tyrant. Many Ukrainians (foolishly I think) threw their lot in with Hitler when Germany snatched Ukraine from Stalin’s distopian grip.
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 18:12 utc | 480

is this written in one of the new revisionist history books from the baltics, or did you make that up by yourself?
if the prior, then keep on shilling for your nazi friends.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 13 2024 18:51 utc | 491

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 424
Ouch. Looks like james has called you bluff and your pride couldn’t resist showing your sophist hand and completely undermining every shitty point you have made in a trolling frenzy here since the madcap Zelensky invasion of zero military installations in Kursk’s middle of nowhere, non strategic zone.
“I’m anti war” you claim. Of course this is why you have the handle ‘Napoleon’ in honour of the power mad French imperialist who sought to impose his authoritarian will on the whole of Europe. Like, Hitler and yourself, he thought that Russia was beatable. You, Hitler and your namesake were very wrong, and very opposite of ‘anti-war’.
This is what you said less than 30 minutes ago:
“It is both just and legal for Ukraine to strike into the heart of Russia with these planes.”
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 15:38 utc | 405
Here’s your ‘anti war’ reaction at the outset of the madcap Zelensky invasion of Kursk:
“Great move by Ukraine, attacking where there is no active front. It is the move I would make. So much for attrition. Attrition is mother Russia fighting a useless war for years.”
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 7 2024 16:36 utc | 40
You’re a non stop stream of anti Putin hate, regurgitating every western corporate media trope without any independent thought.
“Putin is only sending Russians to die to save face”
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 16:14 utc | 424
…so far around 80,000 Russian troops have been killed and around 700,000 Ukrainians. If you want, you can double the Russian casualty figure and half the Ukrainian figure, even with this Napoleon mathematics, Zelensky has sent way more people to their death. Yet, in all your supposed ‘anti war’ rants you have not uttered a syllable of criticism for the butcher, neoliberal stooge Zelensky.
You’re a strange Marxist if you have no criticism of this fascist puppet Zelensky, whose troops are plastered with Nazi emblems, whose weapons come from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, who are supported by the neoliberal political class of Biden, Blinken, Macron, Trudeau, Starmer, Johnson, Sholz, the unelected EU clowns.
A Marxist would oppose these horrors with every fibre of their body. What do you think about the illegal detention of Bogdan Styriuk by the Kiev junta? Posted anything to support this Marxist critic of Zelensky’s fascist regime? No, not a word.
Let me check the Palestine thread, see if you’ve posted anything protesting the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. Nope, big fat zero.
You’re no Marxist.
You’re not anti war.
You’re a desperate and meaningless pro NATO troll who shits on an otherwise thought provoking message board. Even the rest of the troll squad have disappeared before the inevitable massacre of Ukrainians and NATO forces in Kursk, but you’re the only one who hasn’t realised that you’ve been utterly brainwashed by the western corporate propaganda narrative.
The time stamp on your latest shit is priceless. 🤡😂
Comment by Napoleon | August 13, 2024 at 18:12
Roland is correct. John Brewster is correct. But credit to all who shot this clown down.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 13 2024 18:52 utc | 492

The line above, that Bandera was only reacting to Stalin’s evil, is pure revisionist claptrap. ‘Oh those poor Nazis apparently only reacting to some even greatererer Evil!’ At least one should point that out.
Posted by: Roland | Aug 13 2024 18:48 utc | 489
_____
+100!

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 18:52 utc | 493

Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Southern California were all Mexican before it was American: Just to put some perspective on the subject.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:05 utc | 23
To put further perspective on the subject: “Mexico” as you describe was simply a construct of the Spanish colonial empire. Most if not all of those entering the US have no historical ties to the lands of the SW US states. Even if they did they aren’t confining themselves to those states but proliferating to the rest of the US where they have zero historical claim.

Posted by: benzannato | Aug 13 2024 18:56 utc | 494

Dead Man Walking?

US Working to Replace Zelensky – Russia’s Foreign Intelligence
MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Washington is working on options to replace Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky with a more manageable and less corrupt figure, the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) said on Tuesday.
“In the current situation, Washington is working on options to replace the Ukrainian leader with a ‘more manageable and less corrupt figure, who would suit most Western allies,” the statement said.
Zelensky is taking “insane steps” that threaten to escalate situation far beyond the borders of Ukraine, the SVR said.
The United States consider former Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov* as a suitable candidate to replace Volodymyr Zelensky, the Russian Intelligence Service said.
“The former Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov is currently being considered as a suitable candidate. The US consider Avakov’s ‘strengths’ to be his close ties with Ukrainian nationalist formations and his continuing contacts with the leaders of European countries,” the statement read.
The US administration is planning to launch a powerful information campaign to discredit Zelensky in order to force him to leave his post, the SVR said.
“The US administration has already instructed affiliated NGOs to work out the scenario of Avakov’s coming to power in Ukraine. Now this issue is being discussed with the leaders of the leading Ukrainian opposition parties … as well as with a number of influential deputies of the Verkhovna Rada from the ruling Servant of the People party,” the statement said.
*Included in the register of terrorists and extremists in Russia.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 13 2024 18:59 utc | 495

Posted by: Jerr | Aug 13 2024 17:30 utc | 461
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 16:35 utc | 433
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Yes I was thinking of Mediterranean shipping into Israel. Also, as you stated shipping into Eilat has been greatly reduced (50% as of March 2024).
The Eilat to Gaza route is interesting but probably not economical because of cargo unloading and reloading costs and time. Possible but I don’t see it at this time. Perhaps, if there is another Suez crisis.

Well, thinking BIG, a canal could be made to connect Eilat to Gaza (and thus to Mediterranean and RoW etc.), then it would work.
If Belt & Road is going to thrive, the world population must keep growing. And if world trade keeps growing, especially between East and West and with 1-2 billion population boom in Central Eurasia as seems probable, then an extra East-West canal will help handle increased trade volumes very nicely.
There’s a whole lot of greed and subterfuge because that’s human nature of course as various major players jostle for position during times of change, but there are also just basic ‘objective’ logistics caused by long term economic growth.
My personal feeling is that the US elites made a mistake surrendering manufacturing in the mistaken belief that data made stuff obsolete (and they will overplay AI accordingly). There also seem to be huge problems involving technology toxicity, especially viz chemical manufacturing and Big Ag farming methods, with those who have gained most from such toxicity being loth to give it up, let alone help clean it up. Some pretty big mistakes have been made since the 1800’s and it’s not clear how they will get remedied, so that sort of self-serving inertia needs to be factored in too.
And so we muddle along from century to century!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 19:06 utc | 497

TJandTheBear @ 484

I threw out the idea of a honeypot days ago

I tried to but, the RF very successfully Iskandered two HQs, Karkov area and Sumy, and French merc concentration in Sumy, right at the start, according to TG channels and Brozzikman on Youtube. If true that would require place and time, IOW inside, on the ground intelligence, spies, it’s impossible to have such knowledge and not know that something is up.
Other thing to note is that Russia somehow had all it’s best forces at the ready, highly mobile ones specialized in search and destroy, Spetsnaz, Chechens, Wagner, a Donbas special group, and I think Russian 810th, exactly what is needed here, and it’s is interesting that they’d all be 1-2 days away. One more, AFU was all set up with Stingers, MANPADs, bunch of mobile AD and I think only hit one or two helicopters, the targets just weren’t there for them. Read on TG somewhere that AFU expected Russian suckers to rush in Spetsnaz on copters to be swatted like flies, but Russia did exactly not that for some reason.
That it was a trap sounds too much like cope, RuMoD screws up plenty, a lot of conscript POWs taken and that column in Kursk that early on got HIMARd with clusters was very bad news. It’s not impossible that it was a trap – with screw ups, which is very much how war goes, a mix of good and bad. Whichever way this incursion breaks will reveal a lot.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 13 2024 19:07 utc | 498

…so far around 80,000 Russian troops have been killed and around 700,000 Ukrainians. If you want, you can double the Russian casualty figure and half the Ukrainian figure, even with this Napoleon mathematics, Zelensky has sent way more people to their death. Yet, in all your supposed ‘anti war’ rants you have not uttered a syllable of criticism for the butcher, neoliberal stooge Zelensky.
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Aug 13 2024 18:52 utc | 493
I’m afraid thee numbers for may came in strong, more than 6.000 KIA so over 93.000 for end of may and likely 100.000 for end of first semester. The number now can be as high as 110.000. But 800.000 for the same data point for AFU seems close enough.
The basic idea is that this silly adventure by Z will certainly cost a million killed and a million maimed.
The April 2022 offer was a most generous offer and Z couldn’t take it…

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 19:09 utc | 499

Would Russian nuclear weapons be even working ?
Russia got invaded and its government did nothing.

Posted by: Myrkâl | Aug 13 2024 19:13 utc | 500