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August 12, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: The Kursk Incursion Was Stopped

On its seventh day the Ukrainian army incursion into the Russian Kursk oblast seems to have come to a halt. The front-lines are hardening and the Russian side is using its artillery and bombing predominance to push it back.

There are three Ukrainian brigades involved plus a number of battalions that have been dispatched away from their brigades involved in other parts of the front. The 80th and the 82nd paratrooper brigades are the main forces. They have partly been trained in Britain and Germany and are using western equipment. The 22nd mechanized brigade is the third major unit. Then there are some five to ten battalions from various other brigades.

The Economist reports (archived) on the operation from a hospital in Sumy:

[T]he accounts from Ukraine’s wounded suggest it has not been a walk in the park, and remains risky. The hospital ward reeks of the sacrifice: soil, blood, and stale sweat. Foil burn-dressings line the corridor. In the yard, the patients, some wrapped like mummies from head to toe in bandages, smoke furiously. Angol, a 28-year-old paratrooper with the 33rd brigade, looks like a Christmas tree. His left arm is immobilised in a fixation device. Tubes, bags and wires protrude from his body. He was also about 30km into Russia when his luck ran out. He isn’t sure if it was artillery or a bomb that hit him. Maybe it was friendly fire; there was a lot of that. All he can remember is falling to the ground and shouting “300”, the code for wounded. The Russians had been on the run up to then, he insists, abandoning equipment and ammunition as fast as they could.

That the Russia border troops have taken to run is not astonishing. They were mostly conscripts and not armed sufficiently to withstand an armored onslaught:

Some aspects of Ukraine’s operation appear to have been meticulously planned. Operational security delivered the element of surprise, a crucial aspect of warfare. “We sent our most combat-ready units to the weakest point on their border,” says a general-staff source deployed to the region. “Conscript soldiers faced paratroopers and simply surrendered.” But other aspects of the operation indicate a certain haste in preparation. All three soldiers quoted in this article were pulled, unrested, from under-pressure front lines in the east with barely a day’s notice.

The Ukrainian army moved in with the best troops it still had plus some extras scrapped from the bottom of its barrel. Russian units which have been moved to the border have put a halt to the Ukrainian movement. Mobile reconnaissance platoons the Ukrainians have been sending down the roads to outlaying towns have mostly been eliminated. The huge progress seen on some Ukraine friendly maps now looks much smaller. Some 30 small settlements have been captured but even the local administration center Sudzha, with previously 6,000 inhabitants, has not been fully conquered.

A new Ukrainian attempt today to cross the border at the Kolotilovka checkpoint in the Belgograd region has failed and the Ukrainian units involved there have taken losses.

Russia has thus mostly contained the Ukrainian onslaught. The operation is now a new meat grinder like Krinky on the southern front previously was. An operationally isolated attrition pit into which the Ukrainians will have to feed more and more reserves they do not have or will retreat from treeline by treeline.

Russian drones and bombers are now leading the fight. The Russian Ministry of Defense claims that the Ukrainian incursion has lost much of its armored equipment (machine translation):

In total, during the fighting in the Kursk area, the enemy lost up to 1,610 servicemen, 32 tanks, 23 armored personnel carriers, 17 infantry fighting vehicles, 136 armored combat vehicles, 47 vehicles, four anti-aircraft missile systems, a multiple launch rocket launcher and 13 field artillery pieces.

The Ukrainian side knew of the danger that its operation could be a dead end. As the Economist writes:

Ukraine does not appear to be reinforcing its positions in any serious sense. “Our calf demands a wolf,” the security source cautions, using a local saying to warn against overly ambitious objectives.

The source cautions against comparing the Kursk incursion to Ukraine’s successful swift recapture of much of Kharkiv province in late 2022. The Russian army is taking the war more seriously now, he says: “The danger is we’ll fall into a trap, and Russia will grind our teeth down.”

It seems to me that this is exactly what has now happened. It was utterly foreseeable.

The operation though is a momentarily still a success in that it increased the moral of the Ukrainian side:

Tired, dirty and exhausted, the soldiers say they regret no part of the risky operation that has already killed scores of their comrades: they would rejoin it in a heartbeat. “For the first time in a long time we have movement,” says Angol. “I felt like a tiger.”

That week long rush of good news for Ukraine is now at its end. The involved units, which already lost a full brigade worth of equipment, will shrink away further. There will be no one to replace them. In the Donbas the Russian army continues its offensive against the weakened and retreating Ukrainian units. New York, Chasiv Yar and Toretsk will soon be taken.

There will soon be questions asked in Kiev, "What was the point?", to which no one will have a good answer. The Ukrainian commander in chief General Syrski may well have to leave over it even though the pressure to do the hopeless operation came, as The Times writes (archived), from elsewhere:

President Zelensky’s personal fingerprints are all over it. It’s been an open secret in Kyiv for many months that the president was pressing his military chiefs to launch a summer offensive.

Given Ukraine’s manpower and resources problems, they were hesitant. But Zelensky is desperate to reverse the narrative that Ukraine is losing its war.

Zelenski believed the Kursk operation would help to keep the war going with Russia failing over time and Ukraine becoming the winner. The Russian Duma announced today that there will not be another mobilization. A mobilization, and following unrest, is something Zelenski had hoped for. There will be no uprising in Russia because of the Kursk incursion, just an increase in nationalism.

The week long operations was certainly insufficient to do change the long term narrative. The high it has caused in Kiev and elsewhere will soon make room for a deep depression.

Comments

b wrote, “The high it has caused in Kiev and elsewhere will soon make room for a deep depression.”
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Yes, and that’s how it is with amphetamines. Which this assault seems to parallel. The high is so warm, so clear, so pleasant, so real. It’s not at all anxious or ‘speedy’; it’s calm and mellow. But the next morning, you feel a bit lower than you did before, a bit less happy than before, and you strongly desire another dose. That was my experience, and why I did not go back for more.
The high for the Ukrainians from their incursion into Russia is a lot like that. The great high will be quickly followed by an unpleasant low. Particularly as the body bags return to their home towns.
It is all so sad to me. I pray for a quick resolution, but without expectations. But that is the only way to pray, anyway. Anything else is arrogance.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 12 2024 23:50 utc | 201

For those interested: My second effort for today is “Crooke on the Liberal Dictatorship,” which examines his SCF essay and highly suggests watching Crooke’s chat with Judge Napolitano that’s linked within as it’s more important than the essay for a change, https://karlof1.substack.com/p/crooke-on-the-liberal-dictatorship

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 12 2024 23:51 utc | 202

Milites | Aug 12 2024 23:45 utc | 199
Raiding for information I guess is an ongoing aspect of warfare. It was in my grandfathers diaries – raid a trench, grab documents or whatever, maybe a prisoner but if they did he doesn’t mention them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2024 23:55 utc | 203

“keep an eye out for Peter AU1 who is swearing at everyone”
Posted by: nini | Aug 12 2024 17:30 utc | 1
“You lie.”
Posted by: Naive | Aug 12 2024 20:46 utc | 109
Peter if you don’t cuss that person out using the most offensive profanity while ironically denying this groundless allegation I’m going to be greatly and disappointed.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 12 2024 23:57 utc | 204

Posted by: Konami | Aug 12 2024 23:42 utc | 198
Thankyou.
Yes I have noticed the rise in war mongering in Europe. The UK of course thinks much like USA. Too many years without major invasion. France has manages to jump sides with care, so while invasion has happened it has not been totally destructive. I am surprised at Germany, but again perhaps it might have been expected that the grandchildren of the defeated NAZIs would rise again to share their grandparents ideals. It is never the children of a defeated nation that return to the old ways of thinking, but their grandchildren and here we are again.
I also agree with you about Europe turning in on itself again. I can almost feel the alliances forming already. Germany plus allies versus Poland plus allies, with Turkey back in the mix somewhere.
My best guess is
Germany, Netherlands, France on one side
Poland, Baltics and UK on the other.
Need more thought before allocating the others. The USA will be pre-occupied with war on China or Mexico or a civil war.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 12 2024 23:59 utc | 205

I wonder if these incursions have now left a path to Sumy wide open. Should the Russians be inclined to follow up with a Pursuit maneuver, that whole region could fall.
Another thought after President Putin’s speech, will the Russians launch their major offensive to coincide with Iran’s retaliation?
NATO fucked up bigly.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 13 2024 0:03 utc | 206

OT
“Language?
Just a few weeks back there was an entire thread devoted to idly discussing the C word.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2024 20:58 utc | 116
Canada is similar to Australia in that polite men don’t say c*** or n*****, we refer to it as the c word and n word.
Privately are humor is as outrageous as you could imagine it. In a politically correct world there is endless material available. I mean they really are a bunch of cunts so why not?

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 13 2024 0:09 utc | 207

You know things are getting desperate for the Ukronazis when the Azov types actually have to fight!
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 12 2024 19:45 utc | 72
You know things are getting desperate for the Ukronazis when the Azov types actually refuse to fight!
Posted by: Mario | Aug 12 2024 20:03 utc | 83
The nazis refused to fight Russian soldiers, again and again. But when offered the chance to go marauding and kill unarmed civilians in Russia, they jumped at the chance.
Just like the good ol’ days, from 2014 to 2022.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 13 2024 0:09 utc | 208

“I tried to be reasonable. Now I’ll just tell you to fuck off.”
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 12 2024 21:02 utc | 119
I would prefer you just continue posting your viewpoints.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 13 2024 0:11 utc | 209

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 13 2024 0:11 utc | 209
I agree. Your posts and viewpoints are appreciated, Tichy, no matter what some unstable red-faced drunk Australian who spams “fa**ot” to people six times in a row has to say.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 13 2024 0:21 utc | 210

“Canada is similar to Australia in “…that polite men don’t say c*** or n*****, we refer to it as the c word and n word.”
Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 13 2024 0:09 utc | 207
I certainly hope you don’t think that’s limited to Australia and Canada, ffs.

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 0:25 utc | 211

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 12 2024 23:30 utc | 194
Ok. Thanks for the perspective. I can see all your points. Too me atm its an old kung foo movie where the lone monk stands against hundreds and incapacitates them all. All the while never actually attacking. It shouldn’t be surprising that some feel as you suggest in regards to russia as imo they have been lied to. Eventually it will dawn on them, just as it has others. russia actually secured a real geo political imperative in crimea and almost no one died. That works for me. As to abuse that movie monk took alot of it and outlasted it all. At the end of the day i dont think russia cares if u like them or not. They just wanna do business and are done with being told how they can or cannot act or believe.
Just my take.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 13 2024 0:27 utc | 212

Has anyone heard, or read anything, about a Vacuum Bomb launched against the Ukraine /Nato forces in the Kursk direction, killing almost ALL the invading Ukraine Forces in the Kursk bulge for 12 miles?
I just opened my computer, and the Microsoft News page had this story by an outfit called “Metro.” Even as I was ready it, which was only a couple of paragraphs with a photo of a burning building, it disappeared. According to what little I could read; Ukraine Forces (no number was mentioned) were vaporized by a “controversial” vacuum bomb launched against the UAF trapped in the Kursk bulge.
This is how MSM trolls work in the US.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 0:30 utc | 213

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 13 2024 0:21 utc | 210
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Just what is it you like about Itchy’s comments? Are You troll brothers from another planet?

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 0:33 utc | 214

The West is again escalating because it can.
We must admit their plan to use Ukrainins as cannon fodder was genial.
This war cost them peanuts.
I see no evidence that the west cannot finance the war. We see that all US vassal states are ready to sacrifice their economy for the Hegemon.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 12 2024 22:10 utc | 165

Reminds me of that old joke: “Why does a dog lick itself? Because it can.” Your pretentious bullshit is tiresome, to say the least. But if your intent is to be a nuisance, an annoying little dunce, then I have to say, you have succeeded.

Posted by: Mike R | Aug 13 2024 0:34 utc | 215

Another thought after President Putin’s speech, will the Russians launch their major offensive to coincide with Iran’s retaliation?
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 13 2024 0:03 utc | 206
Well, there must be one. Russia can’t afford to let this go unanswered. The airfields hosting the F-16s should be bombed. Let the citizens of Lviv choke on their meatloaves depicting the murdered Russians on the Kerch bridge in an inferno of fire and smoke.
Yeah, I’m angry. Yeah, I’m emotional. What proper Communist or even genuine sympathizer with the resistance wouldn’t be angry and emotional over the atrocities of the Kiev Nazi regime and their masters? It is the sign of the true piss-liberal left to only claim genuine support for people without power to change the status quo, such as the Palestinians. Now even that support is gone. This is typical of the fake left in my home country.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 0:49 utc | 216

Posted by: watcher | Aug 12 2024 23:59 utc | 205
[war mongering in Europe]
I am surprised at Germany, but again perhaps it might have been expected that the grandchildren of the defeated NAZIs would rise again to share their grandparents ideals. It is never the children of a defeated nation that return to the old ways of thinking, but their grandchildren and here we are again.

Very true but it must be said that Germany is split on this topic, and the eastern part (former GDR) is not in line. There are also detractors in the west, of course, but it is systematic in the east. It’s gotten so bad that some politicians talk about “splitting East Germany off”, not joking. If anyone cares about domestic Germany policy, there will be local elections in three (of five) East German Bundesländer in September, and it paralyses some folks almost as much as the USA elections 🙂

I also agree with you about Europe turning in on itself again. I can almost feel the alliances forming already. Germany plus allies versus Poland plus allies, with Turkey back in the mix somewhere.

I never thought about how it might actually unravel — it’ll depend a lot on the state and leaders of the various countries IMO. My main point is that despite right now all propaganda being about defense against (=war on) Russia, those armies might actually march against someone closer. After all, Russia is unbeatable as we’re witnessing right now: no EU country can dream of competing militarily with what the Ukrainians had in 2022. (The next closest country would be Turkey.)

The USA will be pre-occupied with war on China or Mexico or a civil war.

Domestic/civil war is certainly one way how US internal contradictions could resolve. Mexico is a bit like an inner-European conflict but: there a lot of Mexicans.

Posted by: Konami | Aug 13 2024 0:50 utc | 217

Just what is it you like about Itchy’s comments? Are You troll brothers from another planet?
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 0:33 utc | 214
Shut up, you fucking coward. Remember how I wasn’t a Marxist proletarian?

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 0:50 utc | 218

“russia can’t protect it’s borders”

US can’t either, and the mexican civilians + cartels coming through have no tanks and BMPs at all, also no artillery support, no satellites, no nothing.

Posted by: Mirko | Aug 13 2024 0:51 utc | 219

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 0:25 utc | 211
“I certainly hope you don’t think that’s limited to Australia and Canada…”
It is a genetic thing, what do you expect the offspring of criminals to do?
I am surprised that their mother country, uses the c word with an abandon! Well, maybe it is emotional baggage, or it could be attempts at getting vicarious thrills. Who knows, what would make a man in the down understand up into the early mornings to reply to stupid comments.
These two chihuahua countries, have to suck up to the big guys who feed them the food of their loins. What else they are supposed to do? Criminals, Nazis, and the likes? With their little mother country being cast aside as irrelevant!
Anyway, Goodluck to these mongerals! Eh, canuck?
The dude with two last names is most likely from their mother country, so he has to make up for his shortcomings, by convincing others that he is not working out of mom’s basement.
So chill! Ignore these losers struggling for relevance in the current world!
Thanks

Posted by: Victor | Aug 13 2024 0:52 utc | 220

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2024 23:55 utc | 203
Yes, since Ancient times. I believe the Germans used Rottweilers, in WW1, to take out sentries as they don’t bark before attacking. Raiding, amongst other things was a reason why the platoon was broken down into sections and half-sections, during the Great War, as the original structure was too cumbersome for daily trench life.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 0:59 utc | 221

The situation is unraveling for Putin and not only the miliary situation. His war propaganda is melting to the immediate needs of Russians. The Acting Governor of Kursk, Alexey Borisovich Smirno, had a press conference with Vlad and it didn’t go well:
SMIRNO: At present, the situation is difficult. As of today, 28 regions are under enemy control. The depth of the penetration is 12 km and the front’s width is 40 km.
PUTIN: (INTERUPTS) Listen, Alexey Borisovich, the military department will report to us on the width and depth of this.
What a comical video. You can see Alexey cares about the immediate needs of Russians — the situation is difficult. Yet when he reveals that Ukraine has taken 480 square kilometers, Putin shuts him down. The ‘military department’ Vlad is referring to is obviously synonymous with his propaganda department.
The Krusk Incursion has not been stopped, simply slowed down. As pointed out on this thread, Russia has been slow to react and is sending in a hodgepodge of units, another strategic error. Ukrainians are in Sudzha now. Russian refugee numbers total more than 100,000 and are growing. Soon the front will lock and Putin will have the distinct pleasure of fighting yet another mini-Stalingrad on Russian soil. Better round up those convict armies to take back Sudzha!
Attrition is a bitch — and it goes both ways. 404.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 1:12 utc | 222

Much rubbish at the start of how Putin looked nervous at that meeting. A troll talking point but also repeated by many who should have known better.
As you say, it wont end well for Ukraine.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 12 2024 19:26 utc
Peter, I thought Putin looked angry, not nervous. Usually the only emotion he shows is an amused twinkle. When I saw the video of Gerasimov’s early briefing, I thought “VVP is pissed.” (And rightly so.)

Posted by: Hunsdon | Aug 13 2024 1:16 utc | 223

For those interested: My second effort for today is “Crooke on the Liberal Dictatorship,” which examines his SCF essay and highly suggests watching Crooke’s chat with Judge Napolitano that’s linked within as it’s more important than the essay for a change, https://karlof1.substack.com/p/crooke-on-the-liberal-dictatorship
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 12 2024 23:51 utc | 202
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Karl, I am very disappointed that you did not respond to my question from an earlier thread about the same subject that you are discussing now in this comment. Where, among other things, I asked the question why a “Liberal Dictatorship” was any worse, or better than a “Rightwing (i.e. fascist) Dictatorship”? I don’t disagree with you about the fact that a liberal democracy is a dictatorship. But so is rule by a conservative (or a rightwing) capitalist class also a dicatorship. What makes it so, is not the form of the state but the class content of the state that is important.
Whenever a minority class rules over a majority, is it not a dicatorship? But hold on, that is not the least of it. Even when a majority class rules over a minority, it is still a dicatorship over the minority class which MUST be held down because they are the would-be oppressor and exploitative classes who left to their own devise will rob you of you labor and your freedom. So, that is why rule by the majority class is true democracy.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 1:18 utc | 224

Governor of Kursk says 12 civilians have been murdered so far by the ukronazi terror regime. He says that they control area with 2000 russians currently there.
Has anybody seen videos that suggest the number of civilians killed in Kursk region is about that number or much higher?

Posted by: Jimmy | Aug 13 2024 1:31 utc | 225

@ circumspect
How many wake up calls do the Russians need? Like someone said on Unz (where I have to say, the quality of comments are on average not very good, but somehow actually far above the average level here), is Putin going to be finally mad for real this time? The 20th time or whatever that he’s said we’re out of patience and this time the gloves are coming off?
But the gas keeps flowing to Europe and not even are ambassadors recalled from NATO countries, much less diplomatic relations broken with them even though the Russian leadership over and over says they are in a state of war with NATO (notice the date on that article by the way – February 2023). Absolutely pathetic.

So Kursk looks to be the…. 18th? 19th? “Magic Bullet” fired by the West intended to get the Russians super angry and “take the gloves off”, maybe even to get them to start lobbing explodey things at countries outside of Ukraine. Then on the world stage they’ll be the evil bad guy and NATO will ‘have no choice but to intervene’, kind of like most of the West ‘had no choice’ but to nobly intervene when Saddam took the gloves off and invaded Kuwait.
The psychology is the same every time, maximize the shock factor and sensationalism, amp up the “sky is falling” RIGHT NOW, DON’T THINK panic and make a big sexy splash with Hollywood-esque attributes. And to be fair, some of these Magic bullets have indeed hurt Russia quite a bit and helped prolong the war, the biggest by far being the Kharkov counter-offensive for which the Russians rightly have egg on their faces for ignoring until it was far too late.
There’s been the sanctions. There was Kerch, a couple of times. Nord stream. Various big shiny ships sunk “with the Moscow gone, Russia is OUT OF THE WAR!!!” Before Avdeevka and Marinka fell there was the completely nonsensical artillery barrages and antipersonnel petal mines lobbed all over Donetsk for zero military purpose, OTHER than trying to goad the Russians into getting really angry.
The more this war goes on, the more I think the west is trying to get Russia to become like the U.S was in the second Iraq war, but at a larger scale. Just as the U.S got really mad and turned Fallujah into one of the biggest free-fire zones on the planet, so too does the west think they can get Russia so mad that Ukraine will become their Fallujah. And then they win as they’ll get what they finally have been trying to pull off unsuccessfully until now, which is turning Russia into an isolated pariah state with no friends or tangible support. Also remember that in the second Iraq war the U.S also ‘took the gloves off’ which did them zero favors, anyone remember what a big hit Abu Ghraib was on the world stage?
Kursk, like a lot of these other magic bullets has indeed hurt the Russians. But not enough to notably change the conflict (so far) or get them angry enough to do something monumentally stupid and at this point it’s not likely to. The other thing that’s worth noting about a lot of these operations is they smack of Nato doctrine in that they are attempting to create or cause the holy “Final Battle”
Pretty much any Nato excercise has at the very end, the almighty-cherry on top FINAL BATTLE, where there is one last big move made by either the attacker or defender after which everything is resolved and the winner has won and the loser is vanquished for all time, or maybe the rapture happens, I don’t know. But there’s a psychology of “one last move and then it’s over!” with no real forethought to what would happen after that. Kursk looks a lot like that so far in that UKR has indeed made some spectacular local gains and wins without much apparent thought to what would come next for the AFU that are now inside Russia and facing some forces not too happy for their visit.
I’m happy to be wrong but again, my prediction is that by the 1 month mark on Sept 6, the LOC in Kursk will be more or less back where it was and the Slow Motion Operation will still be grinding on in the RU’s favor.

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Aug 13 2024 1:31 utc | 226

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 13 2024 1:12 utc | 222
I’m curious, do you just choose your historical parallels at random, or because you’ve heard other people use them? I only ask because they often bear little resemblance to the situation you’re talking about.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 1:33 utc | 227

Shut up, you fucking coward. Remember how I wasn’t a Marxist proletarian?
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 0:50 utc | 218
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Oh! I will never forget that!
B, this: “Marxist Proletariat” is calling me names; can he be removed? Actually B, (remembering comments #1,2, and 3) I am just kidding, I get a kick out ole itchy the confused Proletariat. As someone once said, no one is worthless, they can always serve as a bad example: and after all, being a “proletariat” doesn’t make one smart. Bevin often made me look and feel dimwitted: He was a sharp guy, I miss him.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 1:36 utc | 228

The invasion of Kursk was a cope. Nothing more, nothing less. Russia didn’t have to redeploy forces from the Donbass or Zaporizhzhia oblast to stop it. What did Ukraine accomplish over the last few days? They did not capture or destroy any critical Russian infrastructure. They did not inflict heavy casualties on Russian forces in Kursk. Most of, if not all of, the Ukrainians in Kursk oblast will be dead in a week or two if they don’t retreat or surrender.
What the Ukrainians did do was walk around, take a few selfies, and pull down some Russian flags on government buildings. You can squeeze everything of note that the Ukrainians have done in Kursk into a single, thirty-second short. Ukraine continues to score brownie points on TikTok while Russia continues to win the real war on the ground.

Posted by: Monos | Aug 13 2024 1:38 utc | 229

B, this: “Marxist Proletariat” is calling me names; can he be removed?
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 1:36 utc | 228
Now little baby boy cries for mommy.
By the way, have you ever heard of the “dictatorship of the proletariat?” True democracy is only possible in a classless society.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 1:40 utc | 230

How is a military with no air force or navy pulling off this great invasion of Kursk province? How many roads and highways are they using to get into Kursk and to travel within it? How was it not possible for the air force and related forces of the Russian Federation to not destroy them before, considering that apparently thousands were (and are) supposedly entering, according to Zelensky? Unless significant elements of the military of the Russian Federation is non compliant, I’m simply not understanding how a military with no air force (other than cheap drones) and no navy (i.e. waterborne air force and missiles, etc) has been able to gather, penetrate, and dig in in Kursk, while a battle-hardened Russian army of thousands upon thousands is all around them in Ukraine proper (not to mention those stationed in Belorussia)?

Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 13 2024 1:47 utc | 231

#231
They find a weak spot, go in, no logistics, no way to go back, and take selfies.
Look at the US southern border… no nato helping the mexicans, no tanks, no storm shadows, no satellites, and they can still cross the border and noone can stop them.

Posted by: Mirko | Aug 13 2024 1:50 utc | 232

Posted by: David G Horsman | Aug 12 2024 23:57 utc | 204
“Peter if you don’t cuss that person out using the most offensive profanity while ironically denying this groundless allegation I’m going to be greatly and disappointed.”
I strongly endorse this comment.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 13 2024 2:03 utc | 233

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Aug 13 2024 1:31 utc | 226
If you proposed this course of action as a basis for an exercise you’d seriously imperil your chances of promotion. This is an operation you should conduct by moving counters, clicking icons or writing on maps in chino-graph pencils. They don’t have the forces to secure the perimeter, their ability to manoeuvre is being degraded, their supplies are being interdicted and the force they are confronting has fire-support and CAS superiority.
Mission
Enemy
Terrain
Troops available
Time
Who thinks the current Ukrainian plan has considered the impact of these factors in a logical or reasonable manner? METT-T is the most basic planning tool taught, yet they’ve done such a seemingly amateurish job with even that template.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 2:04 utc | 234

To clarify: As long as there are antagonistic contradictions within society, then every political action is an application of force in service of one combatant. “Furthermore, every state is a “special force” for the suppression of the oppressed class. Consequently, every state is not “free” and not a “people’s state”. Marx and Engels explained this repeatedly to their party comrades in the seventies.” – Lenin, State and Revolution

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 13 2024 2:04 utc | 235

US can’t either, and the mexican civilians + cartels coming through have no tanks and BMPs at all, also no artillery support, no satellites, no nothing.
Posted by: Mirko | Aug 13 2024 0:51 utc | 219
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Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Southern California were all Mexican before it was American: Just to put some perspective on the subject.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:05 utc | 236

Mission
Enemy
Terrain
Troops available
Time
Who thinks the current Ukrainian plan has considered the impact of these factors in a logical or reasonable manner? METT-T is the most basic planning tool taught, yet they’ve done such a seemingly amateurish job with even that template.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 2:04 utc | 234
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There is the possibility Milites, that they did consider the impact of these factors and then said fuck it we will do it anyway, what the hell do we have to Lose? I think, for what it is worth, they know that their goose is cooked, even if the Trolls don’t.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:15 utc | 237

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:15 utc | 237
Agree, that’s why I said ‘logical or reasonable’. I read a fascinating paper about the Germanic attitude to war being Wagnerian, the lone hero romantically battling the odds, whereas the Russian view was that it was a mathematical science. I guess the Ukrainians have opted for Sparta over Spock.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 2:24 utc | 238

Based on everything I have been able to pick up, this seems a solid analysis

Review of the week-long offensive on Kursk Oblast 🇷🇺
⚡️ Planning and reconnaissance:
The enemy used the same tactical techniques that were tested by him in the Kharkiv region in 2022 and by us in 2024 in the same direction.
The main idea was to use NATO satellites and aerial reconnaissance to identify areas with lower density of strong points and problem areas, then attack with small maneuverable groups, bypass the strong points, eliminate rear supplies, and consolidate until the main forces arrived.
⚡️ Initial attack phase:
The first to stand in the enemy’s way were border guards and conscripts, who had only light weapons, the available firing positions with machine guns and mortars were identified in advance and massively attacked at night by kamikaze drones and Baba Yaga drones. None of the units have yet fully developed means of combating this threat.
⚡️ Promotion:
After the drone attack, the enemy’s heavy equipment made corridors in our defense, through which the SSO and the Ukrainian mercenaries entered, dispersing deep in the rear.
⚡️ Connection problems:
The enemy skillfully used electronic warfare, which left many of our units without communication and information about what was happening, and not only the units, but also civilians. Weak organization for action in extreme situations in the border area, on the part of the administrations.
⚡️ Encirclement and supply disruption:
A significant part of our strongholds were surrounded. The enemy blocked supply routes and critical roads with sabotage groups in advance, which made it difficult for reinforcements and supplies to arrive.
There were almost no strongholds or large groups of soldiers around the border villages and towns, which allowed the enemy to freely enter the operational space and spread along the flanks.
⚡️ Media manipulation:
The enemy actively used information and psychological operations (TsIPSO) to undermine morale and spread panic among the population and soldiers. By publishing photos and reports about allegedly captured territories, our major telegram channels picked up these leaks, playing into the hands of the enemy.
This situation exacerbated the problems of our defense, as many of our fighters and commanders became disoriented due to the lack of a clear front line and the enemy’s continuous maneuvers.
Now we need to calm down, I repeat, all the necessary forces and means are in place, after clarifying the situation and understanding where the enemy is actually dug in, and where he is simply taking photos near the signs with the name of the settlement. Then systematic work will begin on squares, in order to squeeze out the enemy! Aviation work to disrupt supplies is carried out around the clock, now FPV drone operators and other specialists are already involved (we will show the video soon). The main task: remove the DRG and cut off supplies, then our fighters will do what they do best 😎
The enemy will be defeated, don’t even doubt it.

https://x.com/GeromanAT/status/1823121028991893663
The bolded section – The trolls that hit this site were bad enough but those that started furthering this psyops, that should have known better, essentially working for Nato – that was starting to piss me off.
That goes back to the Helsinki Group and the so called decolonization of Russia.
Trashbags.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 2:27 utc | 239

I read a fascinating paper about the Germanic attitude to war being Wagnerian, the lone hero romantically battling the odds, whereas the Russian view was that it was a mathematical science.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 2:24 utc | 238
From what I can make of it, the Russians seem to have both. Mathematics at the top end and many willing to hold out and fight to the last if need be at the lower end – especially among the more elite forces.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 2:34 utc | 240

Something that the Trolls could never understand about the SMO is that the reason that the SMO moved at such a slow but definite pace is because Russia was not fighting to take NEW territory: the territory (Oblast’s) was already ceded to the RF via the four referendums. The majority of the people who spoke Russia, and considered themselves Russian, asked to join the Russian Federation. Russia. So, had to proceed slowly and cautiously because many of the civilians who were dying in the conflict were already Russian citizens. Russia was simply destroying an invasive foreign force from Russian territory.
The Kiev Nazis had no respect for the lives or property of the self-proclaimed Russian citizens; they considered them inferior vermin, yet this is the reason that they had to be liberated by the RUAF. Clearly, it was decided before the start of the SMO, that the only way to prevent the slaughter Russian citizens in the four Oblast was to fight a war of attrition until the fucking Nazi bastards could no longer muster the troops and arms necessary to wage an offensive war against the four Oblast (five including Crimea), even with US / NATO support.
I think that, warts and all, the RUAF did a fucking good job.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:50 utc | 241

I think that, warts and all, the RUAF did a fucking good job.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:50 utc | 241
Very much so.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 2:53 utc | 242

Mission
Enemy
Terrain
Troops available
Time
Who thinks the current Ukrainian plan has considered the impact of these factors in a logical or reasonable manner? METT-T is the most basic planning tool taught, yet they’ve done such a seemingly amateurish job with even that template.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 2:04 utc | 234
The bolded section – The trolls that hit this site were bad enough but those that started furthering this psyops, that should have known better, essentially working for Nato – that was starting to piss me off.
That goes back to the Helsinki Group and the so called decolonization of Russia.
Trashbags.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 2:27 utc | 239
Agreed on both counts and milites did you see my assessment some posts ago? It is clear sign of a AFU fail right?
Peter, I have tried to avoid them and the noise, trying to make sense of what is happening and how it would best be solved.
If there is so much noise, much more than usual , new handles, handles hijack … something right must still remain on MOA for such effort to trash it.
Maybe like telegram, 1/4 out? Someone’s worried of what is being said .
https://tass.com/economy/1828265
Hold on and wait. From the Newbie who you know

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 13 2024 2:54 utc | 243

Al Jazeera’s take on the Ukrainian incursion…
Why Has Ukraine Sent Troops into Russia Now?
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2024/8/12/why-has-ukraine-sent-troops-into-russia-now

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 13 2024 2:55 utc | 244

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 2:27 utc | 239
Yet still garrisons fought back, and Sudzha held for days. The Ukrainian assessment of the likely enemy response was obviously they would run, they didn’t.
Interesting reference to ‘squares’ or probably ‘grids’, meaning a methodical clearing operation, aided greatly by the evacuation of civilians. It also means that Russia must have a large force, if they are going to clear several hundred square Km’s, whilst maintaining a perimeter along the entire line of contact.
‘Cut off supplies’ to the DRG’s or the entire force, which would suggest assaults against the Ukrainian MSR, or place in an operational encirclement.
As for EW, I’m guessing the border guards and garrison troops had more older vulnerable systems, they certainly had little electronic protection against drones.
So Kharkov ‘43, with the Russians this time punishing a force who advanced beyond its means.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 13 2024 3:00 utc | 245

@ Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:50 utc | 241
Valuable perspective, Ed, and rarely so well articulated. My compliments!

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 13 2024 3:02 utc | 246

Newbie | Aug 13 2024 2:54 utc | 243
The brits have targeted Russia with a few major psyops on telegram. No doubt US up to its eyeballs in it too.
One here that I used to have a bit of respect for anon2002/anon2020 or something like that was a bad one.
Just digging up every tg channel he could that was criticizing the Russian leadership and posting it here. May as well have been a straight out nato asset.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:03 utc | 247

Posted by: Mike314159 | Aug 12 2024 20:18 utc | 94
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 12 2024 21:04 utc | 122
Posted by: Milites | Aug 12 2024 21:41 utc | 150
A sane and realistic post by Mike314159 and the equally realistic follow ups by Unimperator and Milites. Kudos to all.
Without real knowledge of RF forces and dispositions near the Ukraine border near Sumy and Karkov it is presumptuous to speculate on how Russia will react to this situation- particularly if a secondary incursion from Belgorod direction is anticipated (Some Western MSM are touting that some such probing has already occurred).
But I will repeat what I have written before in previous posts- namely this is a very well planned NATO/Ukie operation involving substantial (20,000??) personnel. Many of these are/were clearly experienced and well trained. I think it highly likely that many of these are “sheep dipped” NATO soldiers-probably Poles/French and (Nordic/Baltic origin?) mercenaries. The reported recent build- up of Ukrainian forces on the Belarus border were probably really transit of these NATO troops to the “jump off” points near Sumy.
The actual objective(s) of this Kursk operation remain entirely speculation, but regardless, it seems that if the securing of the Sudzha node was assured (for NATO) the overall planning was pretty competent. This seems not to have eventuated (spirited resistance by border guards etc.), and the anticipated progress of NATO has -for the moment- been stymied.
Given all this uncertainty it is prudent for RF to keep its reserve strike forces uncommitted until they can be employed in a decisive manner, and so some extent this will depend on how NATO react to the existing situation. Just as I have no details of the RF reserve formations, I have no real idea of the NATO reserves (all of Poland AF??) or the logistic arrangements to (hypothetically) get these to where they might be sensibly engaged. Milites might have some good thoughts on this.
The Western MSM reports seem to be full of “expert opinions” at present, though I suspect may f these are somewhat hopium induced. I will be interested to see if these expert insights change over the next three days.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 13 2024 3:08 utc | 248

Milites | Aug 13 2024 3:00 utc | 245
That methodical clearing and a large force. That is the impression I have gained. My thought is the large force hold the perimeter. Special forces units go in, clear a section, then the perimeter moves in to hold the cleared ground.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:08 utc | 249

Barrel Brown | Aug 13 2024 3:08 utc | 248
From the ukie channels, a big part of this operation was to draw Russian reserves from other fronts to the northern sector. Rus Mod has not done this.
Like the last times, the main Nato force is sure to attack to the south.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:13 utc | 250

Posted by: Mike R | Aug 12 2024 18:59 utc | 45
It was planned as a suicide mission to seize the Kursk NPP. Still suicidal if they had achieved that because there is no way they could have kept a functioning supply line open. Success and they could have caused a lot of problems. Having failed their objective, it is now just a suicide mission. Supply lines will be cut and units that don’t surrender will be destroyed.

Good insight. But we can go a little further with it: if he hadn’t put those crack troops in harm’s way up there, they would have been sacrificed defending Donbas which is about to get run over. So perhaps the calculus was that since either way we are about to sacrifice these troops, making a splash by invading RF territory is a better return for such sacrifice since it can be used to get more support from NATO sponsors etc. because we can push the narrative that Putin is vulnerable, Russia is vulnerable etc.
In other words, this is the sort of sacrifice made by a side which knows it cannot achieve actual victory but is instead willing to settle for a short-term narrative boost, sacrificing some of its precious few remaining crack troops in so doing.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 13 2024 3:16 utc | 251

https://www.rt.com/news/602515-eu-threatens-elon-musk/
quote from the article
“Musk claimed last month that the investigation was opened because he refused to accept a “secret” censorship deal with the EU. “If we quietly censored speech without telling anyone, they would not fine us,” Musk said. “The other platforms accepted that deal. X did not.””
<=Suggesting if you post at any place, more than likely than not, the alternative media provider has been seduced by the PTB. Maybe alternative media owners should announce the state of its independence. check one: this media has not been compromised, or this has been compromised and users should be aware or I am not allowed to tell you whether or not this media has been compromised. There is just no excuse for a media no one can trust. International law needs to address the problem. Alternative media has been promoting the real truth as a consequence of open debate.

Posted by: snake | Aug 13 2024 3:17 utc | 252

This nato attack to the north – the Ukie channels resident and legitimate forecast it – was to create dissent within the Russian ranks, to draw in Russian reserves from other sectors, and to boost morale amongst the cannon fodder.
All preperations for the main event still to come.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:17 utc | 253

I think that, warts and all, the RUAF did a fucking good job.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:50 utc | 241
Very much so.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 2:53 utc | 242
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Thank you, Peter. My point, which I failed to mention above, is that sure the RUAF could have quickly mowed down every home and building in the four oblasts to get to Kiev as quickly as possible, and they could have killed every human being that got in their way like the Concern Troll’s demand here at MoA. Yes, they could have acted like the Germans Nazis did in WW2 when they invaded the Soviet Union; but how would that have been beneficial to the new Russian Citizens of the four (five) new Russian Oblasts, who were seeking freedom from the Kiev Nazis who came to power via a coup in 2014?
And, of course, we both know exactly what the Trolls would have said about the RUAF then? They would have called the RUAF fucking Nazis, and they would have been right.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 3:23 utc | 254

“Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Southern California were all Mexican before it was American: Just to put some perspective on the subject.”
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:05 utc | 236
Please see “map of Mexico Empire 1821” to get an idea of its size and reach (it slowly unraveled- but you will get the gist) A great deal of real-estate had its genesis in the hands of the Spanish overlords. So no surprise if these areas have a Spanish/Latin flavour.
The Original Newbie
(I am as the tree of knowledge in Eden- know me by my fruits:-)
(be wary of imposters that would lead you astray, to the dark side- “to nuke”, “to IP ban”…these walk in the shadows 🙂

Posted by: newbie | Aug 13 2024 3:25 utc | 255

I think that, warts and all, the RUAF did a fucking good job.
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 2:50 utc | 241
Yes. And the Ukie fortifications in the Donbas are steadily being reduced despite the diversion around Kursk.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 13 2024 3:25 utc | 256

The Original Newbie
(I am as the tree of knowledge in Eden- know me by my fruits:-)
(be wary of imposters that would lead you astray, to the dark side- “to nuke”, “to IP ban”…these walk in the shadows 🙂
Posted by: newbie | Aug 13 2024 3:25 utc | 255
Do you want me to buy you a larger hat?
But on a more serious note, the past. I have thought about it often. The past cannot be changed. It is only the future that can be changed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:31 utc | 257

Ed | Aug 13 2024 3:23 utc | 254
There was an article in WaPo or NYT some time back maybe a couple of years back about how bad Russian missiles were because although they were targeting civilians they couldn’t hit any.
Seems like drivel to any sane person but many here in the west actually believe that sort of crap.
This conflict in military to civilian casualties ratio – there is not much like it in recent history. Like Putin said – let the men fight but leave the women and children alone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:43 utc | 258

But on a more serious note, the past. I have thought about it often. The past cannot be changed. It is only the future that can be changed.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:31 utc | 257
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Peter, I am not so sure that the future can be changed either, of course we will never know until it happens, and then it will be too late.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 3:52 utc | 259

T Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the OP said that the technologists of the Presidential Office and TSIPSO use the panic of Russian military commanders to their advantage, to form a symbol of the reincarnation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Kursk operation. Despite the complete lack of success in 2024 and the strategic defeat on the Eastern Front, an attack was organized that has not yet taken any results, but it was Russian bloggers and military officers who corrected the information victory for Ukraine, even larger than the Kursk operation.
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that the Kursk operation did not reach its original goal and now the Ukrainian Armed Forces are forced to hold a new section of the unprepared front, which is subjected to constant artillery and air strikes. For Syrsky, the Kursk operation is the second Bakhmut meat grinder, which he must now keep until the end.
Resident
Our source reported that the operation in Kursk takes on symbolic significance for Syr and Ukraine, if we fail, it will be a sentence for the Commander-in-Chief.
Zelensky has publicly stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are conducting an operation in the Kursk region.
“Bid. The most important thing was the report of Commander – in – Chief Alexander Syrsky on our defense actions at the front and the operation in the Kursk region,” the president wrote.
He said that he had instructed the Interior Ministry and the Security Service of Ukraine to prepare a ” humanitarian plan for the territory of the operation.”
Meanwhile, the Defense Ministry and diplomats were instructed to submit a list of necessary actions on our part in order to get permission from our partners to “use long-range weapons to protect our territory.”
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not control Suja, now our units are located along the south-western perimeter of the city and are waiting for reserves for the assault. At the moment, fighting is taking place along the entire contact line in the Kursk region, and the AFU assault groups are unable to move deeper into Russian territory and are trying to gain a foothold in the captured positions.

https://t.me/s/rezident_ua

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:52 utc | 260

Do you want me to buy you a larger hat?
But on a more serious note, the past. I have thought about it often. The past cannot be changed. It is only the future that can be changed.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:31 utc | 257
I always thought a sombrero would be neat headgear- probably quite fetching and practical in the heat in the old borders of the Mexican Empire. And me being part of the Peon/peasant class (sedlak), it would be a natural fit. Probably useful in the outback/ or some variant- there of. Alas, I’m closer to Polar bears- so it’s a toque for me.
Correct- the past cannot be changed (in this multiverse)- and the future is unwritten- hence an open book. However, I tend to follow the ideas of Marcus Aurelius as to what we have available to us- “the present”…We all have a bubble of “now”. The past is gone. The future may not happen (for us). So enjoy the now (however far out the bubble goes- weeks, months etc.) Gratitude is the Greatest virtue.
But this is OT, so I will be silent,…lest it give all the other myriad newbies grief, of being called trolls 🙂
The Original Newbie

Posted by: newbie | Aug 13 2024 3:59 utc | 261

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:43 utc | 258
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Good point Peter, only the monsters want total war, and that is why we have to expose the trolls. It’s 11:00 pm my time and I am having a couple of Jalapeno, Pineapple, Margaritas; so, cheers and good night.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 4:03 utc | 262

Ed | Aug 13 2024 3:52 utc | 259
I guess we cant do much other than be aware of what is occurring. I think it was President Xi said to Putin something along the lines of “Change that hasn’t been seen in 100 years”.
Past present and future…. I would like to be around to see the multi-polar world fully formed… or at least that occurs while I’m still around but Putin and Xi had better get their act together and speed things up otherwise I will miss out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 4:03 utc | 263

I keep coming back to the civilization war context and do wonder to what extent the Kursk situation is taking away from Russia’s military ability in other theaters like Occupied Palestine/Syria/Iran
Any thoughts?
Are there any barflies that aren’t waiting for a decisive blow from the axis of resistance against empire? This civilization war shit is not for the faint of heart. Just how do you take a bully down in a way that doesn’t make the opposition bullies? I see the China/Russia axis as attempting to execute that effort and it is above my pay grade…for which I give the leadership mucho credit and respect.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 4:07 utc | 264

The Original Newbie
Posted by: newbie | Aug 13 2024 3:59 utc | 261
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Take it from a Texan; the Sombrero is king. I am 72, and I have had heart surgery, and my wife has Parkinson disease, but we both mow and edge our yard in 98-degree heat thanks to our Sombreros. Remember to put a wet rag on your head under the Sombrero.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 4:16 utc | 265

I keep coming back to the civilization war context and do wonder to what extent the Kursk situation is taking away from Russia’s military ability in other theaters like Occupied Palestine/Syria/Iran
Any thoughts?
psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 4:07 utc | 264
Russia never reacts to provocations in a knee jerk way. They haven’t even pulled reserves from other sectors in 404 let alone allowed it to affect the greater war.
About the only difference I have seen is a lessening of glide bombs on the eastern front, which are now heavily used in Sumy/Kursk.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 4:18 utc | 266

Ed | Aug 13 2024 4:16 utc | 265
More to do with hat band size. Bit of an Aussie joke I guess, but if someone starts tooting their own horn, you ask them if the need a larger hat.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 4:31 utc | 267

Below is a Reuters sub heading that tells the real story

Ukraine said on Monday its biggest cross-border assault of the war had captured 1,000 square kilometres (386 square miles) of Russia’s Kursk region and that Russian President Vladimir Putin would have to be forced into making peace.[my emphasis]

How many lines of coke did it take to get to that conclusion Z?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 4:37 utc | 268

Fuck all this idiotic confusion about the multiple posters calling themselves “newbie”. Pick more unique usernames right now. Yes, even you “the original Newbie that everyone knows”. (No, a lot of us just scroll past your mostly unreadble and chaotic posts, so don’t give yourself so much credit).

Posted by: Wisco | Aug 13 2024 4:40 utc | 269

“Musk claimed last month that the investigation was opened because he refused to accept a “secret” censorship deal with the EU. “If we quietly censored speech without telling anyone, they would not fine us,” Musk said. “The other platforms accepted that deal. X did not.”
There is just no excuse for a media no one can trust. International law needs to address the problem. Alternative media has been promoting the real truth as a consequence of open debate.
Posted by: snake | Aug 13 2024 3:17 utc | 252
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If you are trying to make Musk into a “Good Guy,” forget it! This SOB has been supporting the overthrow of elected governments in Latin America and Africa in order to get to their Lithium for battery production at the right price: He is a fucking pig.

Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 4:43 utc | 270

make Musk into a “Good Guy,”
Posted by: Ed | Aug 13 2024 4:43 utc | 270

Elon “horses for handies” Musk is perfectly transactional.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 13 2024 4:49 utc | 271

Posted by: juliania | Aug 12 2024 23:35 utc | 122
Thank you, karlof1. That was an interesting if muddled viewpoint from Alistair Crooke, and I wish it had been better explained by him, though that may not be possible. I didn’t catch the name of the substack writer who had been trained (at Oxford?) by the ‘liberal elite’ but had reneged against such. Well, you might say I too was trained by them, in the small liberal arts college that I being a foreign student was admitted to back in the day. But I haven’t gone against what was taught there, only against the neoliberal interpretations that came out of those original texts which we all as students studied.
What Crooke doesn’t see and therefore doesn’t promote is the human goodness of original judaic teachings which made that faith a faith to be reckoned with and the one on which Christianity is built upon. Fortunately, most ordinary peoples DO see the difference because it is written in their hearts. Ordinary people know genocide is horrible and wrong, and all the surrounding rot as well. The two strains of judaism Crooke discribes as existing in Israel currently are not that – the people who follow a peaceful judaism left the state in droves as the genocide was taking place.
That true Israel is here in the US right now, currently breaking free of AIPAC and the hardliners in peaceful protest. It’s in communities all over the world living in harmony with their neighbors, in common humanity. What’s left in Israel are extremists; they are not living as Moses and the prophets who spoke with God, as David who wrote the Psalms; it’s fanaticism, not faith there now. Madness and cupidity, immorality, genocide! Applauded by the US Congress to their everlasting shame.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 13 2024 4:55 utc | 272

I continue to be challenged to keep up by fellow barflies but had to go look up
“horses for handies” and zoomed right to it…..sigh
Yeah, Musk is one of the tools on the inside where you get to feel good about doing shit like that.
And, back to Ukraine, all those folks, the wannabe Elons, behind the curtain directing the Ukraine nightmare have the same exceptionalism delusions that more money will buy success and merit doesn’t matter.
Private finance, as I continue to harp about, is the social cancer in our species form of social organization that needs to be eliminated. Sovereign nations should be the only entities that provide core financial services between and within nations…..Michael Hudson has provided extensive documentation of what private finance has existed for 2K years and the potential that sovereign public finance offers.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 5:09 utc | 273

All preparations for the main event still to come.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 3:17 utc | 253
… the main event still to come.
Now you have my full attention.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 13 2024 5:13 utc | 274

Don Firineach | Aug 13 2024 5:13 utc | 274
When the F16’s come in, that will be that fat lady singing.
Lindsay Graham talking about retired F-16 pilots ect, Russian pilots training specifically for combat against F-16’s, all eager to bag the first one and collect the reward.
There will also be a large Nato ground force to accompany them. Some Ukie cannon fodder, others sheepdipped Nato forces.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 5:22 utc | 275

On the escalation ladder the Ukr incursion was the USUKEU answer to Iran and Russia, namely ‘go for it, we are ready with a new front’.
Dr Folamour and the genocidal maniacs.

Posted by: Minaa | Aug 13 2024 5:46 utc | 276

@juliania | Aug 13 2024 4:55 utc | 272
Crooke’s main point is that those who control the Empire need further resources to prop up its inverted financial pyramid – and that means war of neoliberal conquest.
On Judaism, it may be noted in the not too distant future that the British handed its followers a poisoned chalice in the form of the proposed, if relatively short-lived, state of Israel.
Islam also owes a debt to Judaism. The three peoples of The Book – when they don’t fight with each other, they fight amongst themselves.
I read your comments – you are clearly what we call in my neck of the woods – ‘a decent sort’.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 13 2024 5:51 utc | 277

@Peter AU1 | Aug 13 2024 5:22 utc | 275
Thank you Peter.
So a sheep-dipped frontal assault on ZNPP … probably desperate enough to attempt it …. conjecture.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 13 2024 6:03 utc | 278

@psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 5:09 utc | 273
Yes and Michael Hudson like the circle around Lyndon Larouche has pointed to the american system of political economy associated with Alexander Hamilton and Henry Carey and how many other countries attemped to copy and implement the idea. France Germany Russia China Japan and Paraguay for example. Hudson points out that the US later didnt want anybody to follow their example.
And Great Britain was deeply involved in twarting all such attempts.
However Britain was sophisticated enough to give some room for Germany to implement it until Germany was needed to beat France in 1871 and Japan was allowed to implement it until they had beaten Russia in 1904.
Basil Hall Chamberlain, the brother of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, was in Japan during (1874-1910) most of the Meiji restauration (1867-1912), ie the attempt to follow the above-mentioned american example by being inspired by western ideas.
Until the ground had been prepared for the russian revolution, Britain had use for Japan to evolve like that but later it wasn’t needed and after Meiji’s death I get the impression that an irrational fanatical aspect (earlier started) came to bloom.
Basil probably wasnt an agent of influence in the way his brother in Germany was, but Basil was needed to improve the understanding of Japanese thought and wrote explanatory books for westerner’s. But since he also lectured Japanese university student’s (about their own maternal language!) he may have been useful for facilitating recruitations for british intel. But I dont know anything about that.
Like Germany had nazism bloom under the influence of Basil’s brother..
Libertarians in the US are, as it seems totally against Hamilton’s system for internal improvement.
I think one motive for being so much against a strong federal economic power was originally that the south states feared the federal government would free the slaves and later that it redistributes wealth to the poor from the middle class.
That is logical albeit evil.
They realise that they dont benefit from supporting the development of any competition.
Libertarians have an individualist outloook.
There is no sense of belonging to humanity in general.
Exceptionalism probably looks reasonable to them.
But the idea was inspired by Germany’s Leibniz who did have a positive view of cooperation between nations and he also vouched for more extensive ties with China.
The two british brothers belonged to a family of widely travelled adventurers and one forefather, Sir Neville Chamberlain was the first britton Napoleon I ever knew. Cynthia Chung’s recent series put’s Napoleon in a context connecting him with the much older oligarchic networks (that are implicit in psychohistorian’s comment) also including the Maffia.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 13 2024 6:07 utc | 279

On last evening’s news program on ARTE (ARTE Journal), the map thrown up on the screen to accompany images of “fleeing inhabitants” gave the impression that Ukraine has captured all of the Kursk and Belgorod oblasts. But the actual citizens who were interviewed expressed satisfaction with the accommodations provided (which include an infirmary) and did not seem terrified. Meanwhile the only evidence that citizens are demoralised was from a ‘dissident’ reporter who assured us that many people are criticising the war but will not appear on camera out of fear. The story was followed by a long non-news item (as if actual events were in short supply) about dissidents who continue to resist “Putin’s war.”

Posted by: Gene Poole | Aug 13 2024 6:22 utc | 280

📋🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Kursk Region – #Summary for the Morning of 13 August 2024; 06:59 (GMT+3)📍
🔹The enemy continues to try to expand its zone of control by launching raids. Thus, by nightfall, enemy infantry on 3 AFVs were reported from the field, attacking our positions near the settlement of #Snagost. It is not clear who is in charge of the settlement now.
🔹Over the past day, the AFU rolled up on #Korenevo, but were repulsed. The enemy suffered the heaviest losses during two days of fighting near #Martynovka. Apti Alaudinov reported in the evening that 37+12 enemy AFVs were destroyed respectively. In the morning, the AFU again began pulling equipment to this front section. Their task is to break through our defence and reach #Kurchatov via #Lyubimovka.
🔹The enemy used aircraft to attack ground targets yesterday. Our aviation works much more intensively than the enemy’s. The results of the destruction of enemy equipment from the ground and air have finally passed all stages of approval and began to appear on the Net yesterday in a wide stream.
🔹#Sudzha is in the grey zone, if we speak in general terms. Local residents write about the periodic presence of the AFU in the town, the enemy publishes videos from the southwestern part, the date of which is unknown. It is not possible to withdraw the residents to our rear. In total, according to official data there are 2,000 civilians left behind enemy lines in the occupied territory.
🔹Near #Giryi, Belovsky district, enemy equipment was destroyed 🎬👇after data was received about the breakthrough of an enemy armoured group. 7 APC-4Es, an M113 APC, a pickup truck and up to 50 enemy militants were annihilated.
🔹The situation is not completely stabilised. The enemy is conducting raids on a wide front to seize territory, trying to stretch our forces along the front. In conditions of disgusting communication often wastes precious time to clarify the situation to make combat decisions. During the day the intensity of fighting will only increase, in the morning the AFU used aircraft to strike in the area of #Tyotkino. This direction also remains dangerous for tanks. In addition, the threat of an attempt to organise raids in the direction of #Tyotkino and #Troyebornoye cannot be ruled out. The enemy is trying to solve the problem of a breakthrough to #Rylsk, #Lgov, #Kurchatov.
🔹Yesterday’s all-day raids on the #Kolotilovka checkpoint on the #Belgorod border section also showed the enemy’s aspirations in this direction. Not counting losses, the enemy was climbing all day long, baring his teeth against the border guards and the RFAF. Against the #Bryansk section of the border, the presence of the enemy was also recorded.

https://t.me/two_majors/29505

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 6:29 utc | 281

Our source reports that the Western press, as if on cue, began to promote the “brilliance” of the Kursk adventure.
There are several reasons for this:
1. Bankova officially confirmed that it was the Ukrainian Armed Forces that attacked/invaded Russian territory, which means that Western sponsors need to support their executors. Plus, warm up the case that the Ukrainian Armed Forces need to be given the go-ahead to fire Western missiles anywhere in Russia in order to increase the level of escalation and possibly force the Kremlin to strike Ukrainian territories with tactical nuclear weapons.
2. Expand the panic in the Russian Federation, saying that the offensive is so strong that run and protest against the Kremlin and help the Ukrainian Armed Forces advance.
3. The Kremlin did not fall for the attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region and no one transferred large-scale forces there, which means the plan did not work and it is necessary to warm it up in the media in order to increase public pressure from the Russian people on the government and force Moscow to send everything it can there, and not carefully, slowly and sensibly squeeze out the Ukrainian Armed Forces units that entered this bag. If the Kremlin starts throwing everyone in the Kursk direction in panic, it will weaken other directions where the Ukrainian Armed Forces planned to attack with their main forces.
Conclusion: while the plan of the Presidential Office has not achieved the most important, this is what such a powerful Western media case of praise and an attempt to destabilize is connected with.
We are watching… we will say one thing, that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not be able to hold this bag for more than two months, and holding on to this adventure will devour Ukrainian reserves in equipment and military potential, which will further affect the country’s defense capability. As a result, the Mega Victory will become a Mega Betrayal.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18519

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 6:32 utc | 282

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Chronicles of the special military operation
for August 12, 2024
Russian forces struck a plane parking area at the Myrhorod military airfield in Poltava Region. The enemy launched drones over Voronezh, Rostov, as well as Belgorod and Kursk Regions.
In the Kursk direction, the enemy attempted an attack from the Spalnoye-Krupets line towards the village of Hiryyi, where during the attack they lost up to a dozen armored vehicles, most of which were BTR-4E, one of which was captured as a trophy.
In the Slobozhansky direction, Russian forces repelled several attempts by the enemy to break through the state border in the area of Kolotilova and Bezymeno.
In the Artemivsk direction, Russian forces made significant advances towards Hryhorivka from the direction of Bohdanivka.
In the Pokrovsk direction, Russian assault troops consolidated on the outskirts of Hrodivka near the ruins of a brick factory on the southeastern outskirts, and also liberated Lysychne and took most of Ivanovka.
In the Donetsk direction, the Russian Armed Forces took full control of Yasnobrodivka, consolidating on the opposite bank of the Karlove Reservoir from Karlove.
In the South Donetsk direction, Russian forces are expanding their control zone in Kostyantynivka, and have also advanced several kilometers west towards the T-05-24 highway near the Ikryana Gully.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/16933

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 6:34 utc | 283

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk Direction: Situation in Sudzha and Defeat of AFU Armored Group in Belovsky District
What is known as of the end of August 12, 2024
In the Kursk direction, Ukrainian formations are attempting to expand their penetration deeper into Russian territory. At the same time, more and more footage is appearing online demonstrating the successful destruction of AFU armored vehicles and personnel by Russian troops.
🔻In the Korenevo district, in the vicinity of Snagost, where the enemy previously attacked Russian positions, the situation is shrouded in the “fog of war”. The situation also remains unclear in Krasnooktyabr’skoye, but there have been no reports of enemy units entering the settlement.
▪️Russian troops cleared Kremyanoye, where the presence of AFU units had previously been recorded. During the battle, the enemy lost at least one Roshel Senator armored vehicle, abandoned by its crew to the south of the settlement. It is worth noting that in this case, the Ukrainian advance detachment was likely ambushed by Russian troops and, without the support of heavy equipment, was defeated.
▪️In the area of Korenevo and Tolpinskoye, Ukrainian formations launched an attack supported by armored vehicles in an attempt to breach the defense of Russian troops in this sector. The enemy’s assault was successfully repelled by Russian units, while the AFU, apparently, retreated to their initial positions.
🔻The situation in the Sudzha district remains consistently tense. Today, videos from the enemy side appeared on the network, demonstrating the presence of AFU units in the central districts of Sudzha, as well as in the area of Martynivka – and, according to reports from the scene, the enemy was spotted in the settlement during the day.
❗️Nevertheless, to declare the complete control of the AFU over Sudzha, based solely on footage from the enemy side, would be premature, as at least some of the videos were recorded several days ago. At the moment, there is no official information from the Russian authorities and no footage of objective control from the Russian Armed Forces.
🔻In the Belovsky district, Russian units are engaged in battles in Plekhovo, with no reports of the settlement falling under AFU control. At the same time, it is known that the enemy has occupied Spal’noye, through which Ukrainian mobile groups subsequently penetrated deeper into Russian territory.
▪️In the morning, equipment of Ukrainian formations was spotted in the area of Girya. According to the footage, the enemy was advancing from the southwest, from the direction of Kamyshnoe. As we noted earlier, the size of the armored group that broke through to the settlement was larger than initially assumed.
Nevertheless, the attack on Girya resulted in the most significant single-time losses of personnel and equipment for the enemy: at least seven BTR-4E armored personnel carriers were destroyed, with one of them captured by the Russian Armed Forces as a trophy. One Ukrainian pickup truck was also destroyed, and an unspecified number of enemy personnel were eliminated.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/16932

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 6:36 utc | 284

🇷🇺⚡️Dumin appointed to command the SMO in Kursk Oblast
Colonel General Aleksey Dyumin, a native of Kursk who distinguished himself in planning the Crimean operation in 2014, will coordinate the actions of the Russian Armed Forces group in the Kursk region with security agencies and local authorities.
Despite the fact that Dyumin is not formally currently an employee of the General Staff or the Ministry of Defense, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief has given him special powers: in fact, he will be responsible for more than just the actions of the army; local administrative bodies and all other security agencies will also come under his manual control directly in the emergency zone.

https://t.me/intelslava/64908

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 6:38 utc | 285

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 12 2024 21:11 utc | 130
“Russia is Lindy. “
LOL!! russia is most definetely not Lindy. England is.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Aug 13 2024 6:41 utc | 286

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 4:07 utc | 264
“Are there any barflies that aren’t waiting for a decisive blow from the axis of resistance against empire? This civilization war shit is not for the faint of heart.”
One decisive blow will not do. This civilisation war has been raging for some decades (if not longer) and is being waged on many levels (economic, propaganda, military and others) which cannot definitively be separated from each other. Accordingly, the resistance must plan their blows carefully or risk isolating efforts on one front from the others. That would weaken the overall effort. It would be great to see the Empire go down under a flurry of well prepared blows, but preparation and timing for these are critical which require very good information sharing, coordination and military planning on the part of a significant number of resistance players (RF, PRG, Iran etc), or isolated anti-Empire efforts would probably fail. If such measures can be put into place (formally or informally) then the Axis Of Resistance can be taken seriously.
Perhaps such structures do already exist-I hope so-, and perhaps the collective blather and apparent desperation on the part of the West is indicative of this realisation.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 13 2024 6:58 utc | 287

re: Kursk incursion & “Russia can’t defend her borders”
Question only for those who have ever perused a book on Russian History:
Does anyone else have “Hotel California” playing over and over in their head?
You can check out IN any time you like,
But you can never leave!

(cue electric guitar solo)

Posted by: retroflecks | Aug 13 2024 7:02 utc | 288

mirko. Los carteles tienen permiso especial para entrar a USA. Su producto es vital para la economia Estadounidense. Sin el producto la sociedad estadounidense colapsaria. Ni walt Street funcionaria.

Posted by: Manuel V | Aug 13 2024 7:18 utc | 289

🔥 Kursk
Yesterday, the parties continued fighting in small groups. There is still not a single video of us familiar with battles around static defense lines. All are ambushes.
The work of the IPSO has increased on both sides. Russian telegram channels accuse the Ukrainian Armed Forces of reprisals against civilians, the Ukrainian Armed Forces post videos of conversations with local grandmothers.
Yesterday, up to 20 videos appeared from the Russian side with the destruction of Ukrainian Armed Forces equipment. It is obvious that the Kursk operation has ceased to be an easy walk.
The role of the main speaker “on the ground” was taken by Apti Alaudinov, who, in Prigozhin’s mode, talks about the results of the day every evening.
Videos of interrogations of prisoners from both sides appeared.
In the evening, it became known that Putin appointed Alexei Dyumin commander of the northern direction of the “SVO”, i.e. now he will be responsible for this operation. It turns out that for the second time during the “SVO”, Gerasimov has been removed during a crisis. The first time Surovikin was appointed.
Alexander Sladkov writes that Dyumin is very suitable for this position because:
1. Dyumin is a military man, respected in the army and in the special services. He will quickly get into the subject and start making important decisions.
2. Dyumin is Putin’s man, he will not allow the President to be deceived in reports, either to himself or to others.
3. Dyumin was recently a brilliant governor, he will take into account in his actions the needs of not only the military, but also civilians of the Kursk region.
4. Dyumin will certainly arrive in Kursk with extraordinary plenipotentiary powers. And this is excellent, the situation is extraordinary.
The Ukrainian side continues to be extremely stingy in giving out any information about the operation🧩

https://t.me/ZeRada1/20997

Our source expressed rumors and a partially conspiracy case that it seems that the Kremlin was specifically waiting for Bankovaya and Zelensky to officially recognize the invasion/attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on Russian territory in the Kursk region.
Incidentally, some people on Bankovaya tried to dissuade Zelensky from officially recognizing this invasion, and continuing to ignore it, but getting the necessary PR from it, and in case of an unsuccessful outcome or other scenarios, blaming it on some “Russian democratic forces and partisan forces”, as was the case before. Yermak convinced Zelensky to officially talk about this adventure and sign up for it.
Perhaps this will be Zelensky’s biggest miscalculation in this chess game or the most brilliant set-up.
We are watching… the game is gaining momentum.

https://t.me/legitimniy/18521

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 7:30 utc | 290

Like it or not, the West respects strength and defiance and they don’t respect people who grovel at their feet and beg to be accepted even as you kick them in the ribs and humiliate and abuse them in every way you can think of.
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 12 2024 23:30 utc | 194
You are right. But Putin doesnt understand this.
Further. The west is probably going to destroy planes transferring missiles from Iran to Russia. They saw how weak the Russian army and leadership is. The fact is, “an average Russian” has a deep inferiority complex to The West. I watch rich Russian liberals in Serbia how they go to shopping in “Lidl”. That is an almost religious experience for them.

“Together, we are prepared to deliver a swift and severe response if Iran were to move forward with the transfer of ballistic missiles, which would, in our view, represent a dramatic escalation in Iran’s support for Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine,” the State Department spokesman said.”

Posted by: vargas | Aug 13 2024 7:30 utc | 291

Weeb Union reports the AFU cheap gains south of Sudzha, in the west-east direction toward Malo Soldatskoe are over. Several AFU recon groups have got ambushed after they initially bypassed one strong point, they often find unexpected resistance. AFU infiltration troops were stopped at the border checkpoint with mines, dragonteeth and shot at. Some vehicles and tanks drove into mines.
AFU control most of Sudzha, RU control eastern part.
RU took back Snagost. Malaya Loknya still contested.
AFU sent more brigades toward Sudzha area.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2024 7:44 utc | 292

Any news about the rate of recruitment into the Russian armed forces since the US-Ukronazi special military operation began?

Posted by: Squeeth | Aug 13 2024 7:57 utc | 293

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 13 2024 4:37 utc | 268
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Take the root squared of that number and see what you get!

Posted by: AI | Aug 13 2024 8:00 utc | 294

> That the Russia border troops have taken to run is not astonishing. They were mostly conscripts and not armed sufficiently
Can also be by design. Lure them out and squash them in the open, rather than bombing human shields Kiev regime insist on using. Cannes all over.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 13 2024 8:00 utc | 295

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Aug 12 2024 18:53 utc | 40
Yep, and a positive aspect of this war is it will kill off a bunch more Neo-nazis from all over Europe in the coming months/years. It’ll thin out the ranks of the skinhead gutter trash that’s going around beating up old Muslim women and children.

Posted by: let’s get bizzay | Aug 13 2024 8:02 utc | 296

🔻The situation in the Sudzha district remains steadily tense. Today, videos have appeared online showing the presence of AFU units in the central districts of Sudzha and also in the Martynovka area.
❗️Nevertheless, it is premature to declare that the AFU has full control over Sudzha based solely on the footage from the enemy’s side, since at least part of the videos were recorded several days ago.
🔻In the Belovo district, Russian units are fighting in Plekhovo, no reports on the transition of the settlement under the AFU control have appeared. At the same time it is known about the occupation of Spal’noe by the enemy. In the morning, AFU equipment was seen in the area of Gir’i.
Nevertheless, for the enemy, the attack on Gir’i resulted in the most significant single loss of personnel and equipment recorded to date: at least seven BTR-4Es were destroyed, one of which was taken by the Russian Armed Forces as a trophy. One AFU pickup truck of was also destroyed and an undetermined number of personnel were eliminated.

https://x.com/rybar_force/status/1823258244879441955

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2024 8:13 utc | 297

MI-6 passed on new intelligence to the OP and the General Staff about the Russian General Staff preparing a plan to encircle the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region.
British intelligence believes that Syrsky needs to ensure control over the flanks in the Sumy region in order to hold the only road through which supplies are supplied to the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/23848

British intelligence warned the Presidential Office and the General Staff of enemy plans to cut off supplies to the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region, and now Western media are reporting on this.
The longer Ukrainian troops remain inside Russia, the higher the risks.
This is the opinion expressed by BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner.
According to him, the biggest risk is that Russia will deploy enough forces to encircle and cut off Ukrainian troops before they can retreat. Large losses or mass capture of prisoners will negate all recent successes in strengthening the morale of the Ukrainians.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/23859

Posted by: Down South | Aug 13 2024 8:21 utc | 298

A group of Ukrainian soldiers have been encircled between Toretsk and New York and are being bombarded.
-Head of DPR

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 13 2024 8:23 utc | 299

Posted by: Naive | Aug 12 2024 21:01 utc | 118

Totally expected and reminiscent of the previous incursion into Belgorod oblast from a couple months ago. It is true that history repeats itself as a farce…

Posted by: ThirdWorldDude | Aug 13 2024 8:27 utc | 300