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August 9, 2024
Ukraine SitRep: Kursk Campaign Designed To Keep War Going

The (former) President of Ukraine Vlodomir Zelenski recently made some ambivalent remarks about potential peace talks:

Volodymyr Zelensky told the newspaper "Le Monde" that he does not rule out holding a referendum on the future of Ukrainian territories to end the war, but "it requires the will of the Ukrainian people."

According to the president of the country, Ukraine should not liberate all its territories by "force and weapons," because this option "costs us a lot of time and human lives." Zelensky added: – We can return our territories through diplomatic means.

This is another groundbreaking statement from the Ukrainian leader. On July 22, he said in an interview with the BBC that Ukraine is ready to negotiate the end of the war with Russia, even if Vladimir Putin leads the latter. According to the president of Ukraine, the most essential thing in this matter is a genuine desire for peace on terms consistent with international law.

He added that the "hot" stage of the war could end before the end of 2024, but the peace plan must be fully agreed with Ukraine's allies "so that no one plays with their own initiatives for ending the war."

It was and is doubtful that Zelenski really wants to make peace. In talks with the Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban he had pointed to a theory of victory over Russia. As Orban explained (machine translation):

According to Hungarian Prime Minister Orban, in reality Zelensky assumes that Russia will have to resort to general mobilization in the middle of next year. And this can lead to internal destabilization in the Russian Federation.

Therefore, Zelensky is confident that time is playing on the side of Ukraine in the war – as Orban wrote in a letter to EU leaders after meeting with the Ukrainian president. A source in diplomatic circles informed Strana about the existence of such a letter.

"As for the outcome of the war, the President of Ukraine is confident that the Russian armed forces will be forced to resort to general mobilization in the middle of next year, which will lead to internal destabilization. He believes that the Ukrainian forces are stable, prepared and able to maintain combat effectiveness even in the long term, if Western arms supplies continue. He believes that time is on the side of Ukraine, not on the side of Russia," the letter says.

At the same time, Orban notes that Putin's assessment of the situation is diametrically opposed. The Russian President believes that time is on Russia's side.

I find the Zelenski's theory of victory rather fancy.

  • Russia will need a general mobilization?
  • The mobilization in Russia would lead to the destabilization of Russia?
  • The government of President Putin would fall over it?
  • The Ukrainian army is in good shape?
  • It can stay in combat for much longer?
  • Ukraine can wait out Russia?

I would answer each of those question with a loud "No".

However, Zelenski may well believe in at least some of those claims.

The issue came up again due to the recent Ukrainian incursion into the Kursk region of Russia. There are multiple ideas what the Ukraine leaders wants to achieve with this:

Ukraine has said nothing about the mission or its goals. Theories abound, from an attempt to seize territory as a potential bargaining chip in future negotiations with Moscow, to a diversionary tactic to ease pressure on stretched defenses in Ukraine by drawing Russian forces away from the frontline.

But the Bloomberg writer comes up with a different theory – that the attack was made to unbalance Russia:

The episode exposed the fragility of Russian border defenses with growing numbers of its soldiers fighting in Ukraine. It has boosted Ukrainian morale.

And it has also punctured the Kremlin’s carefully constructed image of Putin as the protector of ordinary Russians.

Instead, the war he started in Ukraine now spills increasingly into Russia, where people in border regions live under constant risk of shelling and drones strike key industrial facilities.

For Ukraine, it’s likely to bolster Kyiv’s argument that US and European allies shouldn’t fear Kremlin threats of escalation and that it should be allowed to take the fight to Putin in any way it sees fit to hasten an end to the war.

The daily summary author at Strana suspects an only slightly different motive (machine translation):

Much indicates that Kiev's real strategy is quite different – to wage a long war in the hope of internal destabilization in the Russian Federation. And here the task is to convince Western partners (including such skeptical ones as Trump) that this is not a dream, but a real calculation. Therefore, Ukraine should not be pushed to negotiate, but give the Armed Forces of Ukraine more weapons and lift restrictions on missiles.

The offensive in the Kursk region, apparently, is designed to prove this to the West.

In an interview last night, the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine (and brain behind Zelenski), Andrey Yermak seemed to confirm that view (video).

Yermak currently sees no point in direct negotiations with Russia. He wants to convince Ukraine's supporters that Ukraine can win:

Ahead of the U.S. presidential election, Ukraine is working with the Democratic and Republican parties to keep them aware of the developments in Ukraine.

This was stated by the Head of the Ukrainian President's Office, Andriy Yermak, who spoke in an interview with European Pravda, Ukrinform reports.

"We are working today both with people from the team of candidate Donald Trump, and – even before the nomination – with Vice President Kamala Harris, who is already a candidate from the Democratic Party. It is very important for us that both headquarters, both candidates and those around them clearly understand what is happening in Ukraine, that they clearly understand the current stage of the war and our strategy. I believe it is very important that both candidates have a plan for Ukraine's victory," he said.

The plan in Kiev is not to negotiate but to prolong the war and to convince the west to further finance it. This would have the advantage of moving billions of additional dollar from western sources into the various pockets in Kiev with Zelenski and Yermak cashing in the largest share of it.

Comments

Blowing the npp, depending on the dominant winds, can possibly cause damage in Ukraine too and, I suspect, RF will then feel free to blow another npp in Ukraine, not zaporizha.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 9 2024 15:36 utc | 93
To the ‘Globalists’ who are running the show, Ukraine was always meant to be sacrificed. That’s what
‘to the last Ukrainian’ means. Why would the same people who launched Covid on the world, simply to remove Trump, have any qualms about killing a few million people in Ukraine and Russia, in order to achieve their goal of putting Russia back under ‘Globalist’ control?

Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 9 2024 16:07 utc | 101

Moldova Blogger@1404
NO NUKES. Highly probable that the Russians are sufficiently mature that they do not open Pandora’s Box. If NATO elements have committed even a fraction of the outrages which you allege against Russian convoys…then NOW is the time for a nice, totally kinetic hypersonic missile to be directed at the Rottenchild Bank in City of London. That institution is the heart of the Bea$t and logically is cutting the orders for the U$$A designated attack-dog as well as all NATO elements.
Should the Rottenchild bank be hit, massive confusion amongst the puppets running the Collective Wa$te would ensue.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 16:08 utc | 102

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 15:39 utc | 94
If only your vision weren’t so narrow you would understand that Russia now has gained another area of opportunity for attrition of the Ukrainian forces (which – don’t ask me why, but there is certainly a reason we both just don’t understand – can’t take place 500 or 1000 kilometers into Ukraine but instead right at the Russian border or within it). Also, the evacuation of Russian civilians is well underway so hopefully there won’t be more dead Russians surprised in cars and such, at least not until the Ukrainians make further further reckless, totally irresponsible advances into new, still unevacuated Russian oblasts.
After all, as the Duran guys like to say, Russia is following the Clausewitzian maxim of “destruction of armies, not capture of cities”. The fighting can take place in Kursk Oblast, around Moscow or somewhere east of the Urals. It doesn’t really matter as long as Ukrainian soldiers are pulled into “cauldrons” (which is what we call half-surrounded groupings of forces) where the possibility of their destruction can be used by Russia to ask for new negotiations or, better yet, they can promptly be released for maximum goodwill.
A final, but crucial point, that you also seem to have missed: With the Ukrainians within striking distance of a Russian nuclear power plant, the Russians have gained great sympathy in the Global South. Putin is now equipped to ask rhetorically if these Ukrainians and their NATO backers have simply gone insane, and every reasonable person will be forced to agree. If the Russians were to brutally just destroy these forces who invaded their territory, they would lose this precious sympathy.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 16:09 utc | 103

The Kursk diversion has worked very well as this thread proves. Ukies are now inside a fire bag and will be burnt, which might take up to a week to get all those hiding. For those of us watching, Team Zelinsky continually promised some type of offensive and was pooh-poohed by most, but it’s clear that one was being arranged and has now been launched. And it will soon end. I expect Russia to use its counterattack to move well onto the other side of the border and thus create another front the Ukies will be forced to defend. I also see this action as Zelensky saving his own neck.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2024 16:09 utc | 104

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Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2024 16:10 utc | 105

Just to expand on b.’s analysis concerning the recent ‘peace’ overtures from Kiev, an interview with Andriy Yermak, Zelensky’s chief of staff, was published in Evropeiska Pravda on Thursday and it further illuminates the illusionary nature of any peace talks.
Referencing the form and structure of a second peace summit (after the roaring success of the first one in June), this is what Yermak had to say regarding the formulation of a peace plan by multiple countries and Russia’s involvement in that process:
“It is possible for a Russian representative to attend the second summit to whom this plan could be handed over,” he said. “One should not treat the second summit as the beginning of negotiations with Russia.”
So there you have it, Kiev/NATO imagineering a Japanese like WWII Potsdam Declaration with Lavrov or Medvedev in the role of Japanese premier Danshaku Suzuki Kantarō, agreeing to sign on behalf of ‘Emperor’ Putin.
For anyone with an appetite for the absurd, here’s MSN’s report:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-official-dismisses-notion-of-new-peace-summit-as-start-of-russia-talks/ar-AA1otKr3

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Aug 9 2024 16:16 utc | 106

UA gloating and RU dooming seems silly. People look at the square mileage but not the map. There is always some slack to be taken up in these offensives, just like the 2023 offensyiv made some progress for the first few days before getting bogged down and destroyed in kill zones. Since RU didn’t make their own buffer zone along the border, it was inevitable that UA would be able to drive a few miles in, no matter how well-prepared the Russian border defense was.
Typical of this war: Russia always attacks where UA is strongest, UA always attacks where RU is weakest. I don’t know why this is, but it is.

Posted by: catdog | Aug 9 2024 16:16 utc | 107

reindustrialization of North America is essential.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 9 2024 13:05 utc | 35
The Titanic hit the iceberg and Captain Smith orders “Full Steam Ahead.”
The West has the Monopoly on Narratives, nothing else. Industry gives them hives. All the talent and know-how for Western Industry has said, “FOAD”. When the grubby skimmers rubbed their cloven paws together and barked “Too Big to Fail” for the Financialization of Everything, I wound everything down.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 9 2024 16:21 utc | 108

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 15:39 utc | 94
If only your vision weren’t so narrow
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 16:09 utc | 103
My vision is just fine. You’re moving the goalposts. I see it. Everyone sees it.
Stop wasting my time with this nonsense. I follow the usual suspects just as you all do.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 16:21 utc | 109

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 16:21 utc | 109
Wow… if you didn’t see that literally entire that post was sarcasm (and not aimed at you) then maybe there actually is something wrong with your vision.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 16:23 utc | 110

The Kursk invasion is either a Russian “trap” to lure Ukrainian troops into a slaughterhouse or shows Russian military incompetence. I lean towards the latter. I think that Russia’s attrition warfare is and has been the best they can do because they are unable to carry out offences–perhaps due to the systemic corruption in the Russian military pkrticularly at the top. However foolish the Ukrainians appear to be they’ve proven that they are, despite having less equipment, to be brave and willing fighters even when things look hopeless. I believe man for man they are better than their Russian equivalents (except the Chechens). I don’t know where this offensive came from but either there as some very smart generals in NATO or in Ukraine–I suspect this is a Ukrainian operation. Maybe this will wake up the Russians to develop some strategy to win rather than just move a few meters west per day.
The Ukrainians have consistently been written off in sites like this one and they’re still fighting hard so I give kudos to their fighting spirit even if it is a bit foolish.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 9 2024 16:23 utc | 111

Today, it makes no sense to set up permanent static border front lines in low-activity areas, and this is where deep in the rear/out of sight assembled forces moved to quickly attack, is vulnerable. No country in the world could avoid this sort of attack, except, a country which is small and has a short border, but that is an irrelevant factor.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 16:05 utc | 99
Yes, exactly. Criticisms of RU preparedness are silly. What do the critics expect, trenches right along the border? In such force and quantity that they can stop a sudden column of tanks and heavy IFVs? And all that sitting out in the open so UA artillery can shoot at them to their leisure?
UA has “taken” only a few empty fields and got hung up on the first small town. RU seems to be doing a fine job defending the border with air power and airborne troops.

Posted by: catdog | Aug 9 2024 16:24 utc | 112

Reviewed the comments. Clearly the Ukronazi fans are excited again, which was probably the only point of what appears to be a hail Mary, last ditch run.
As we don’t really know shit about how this is all playing out, it’s probably too early to say anything definitive yet. However, we’ve been here many many times over the last few years and the Ukies always, eventually get smashed, one way or another.
Also the offensive doesn’t erase the last several years of catastrophic losses for the Ukies. To the Ukie fans, don’t get too excited yet. As Simpliciius says, rather persuasively, this could be the last battle for the Ukies and ultimately the great kick in the nuts they need to get their stupid Nazi asses to the negotiating table and watch 25 to 30% of their country disappear into Russia.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 9 2024 16:26 utc | 113

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 9 2024 16:23 utc | 111
It has nothing to do with ‘fighting spirit’, but unlimited mass mobilization, using the existing troops on Belarus border and stripping some for Donbass and Nato mercs thrown in for good measure.
If RUAF controls gets this under control, they are still far ahead.
Obviously it did come as a shock so I don’t think it was a ‘deliberate trap’, and now the general sentiment in infosphere seems to be AFU rolling back somewhat and digging trenches. This is a somewhat worse outcome, as it will take time to dig them out of the hole and opens a new less mobile front.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 16:27 utc | 114

Sunny Runny Burger @ 79
Correct, there are no nuclear targets in Ukraine, odd how many on an otherwise bright forum don’t get that. Other than wanton vengeance (which the Pentagon/UK might welcome) the nuclear targets are all outside Ukraine to varying degrees of gamesmanship. First tier would be a NATO base in the ex-Warsaw pact, but if you are going to hit one it’s actually best to hit them all and achieve the SMO/WW3 goal of a defacto return to 1991 Baker agreement. Hitting just one base like Rzeszów to send a message risks a nuke ping pong match with probably return strikes into Russian concetrations in the Donbas first then Crimea. One big hit on all ex-Warsaw pact NATO bases is the equivalent of a strategic strike in as much as NATO would have to reply in a big enough way that prevents a further escalation on sacrosanct western European bases – or run to the negotiating table. If NATO picks the former then the USA will very likely get hit with a strategic strike and we will all meet in the afterlife. The weakest option for Russia is to get involved in a tit for tat tactical exchange over nonsense targets or “sending messages”. Drastic and terrifying stuff, which Putin understands as does UK/Pentagon and why they keep pushing him.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2024 16:34 utc | 115

Wow… if you didn’t see that literally entire that post was sarcasm (and not aimed at you) then maybe there actually is something wrong with your vision.
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 16:23 utc | 110
Oh man. I’m an idiot.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 16:36 utc | 116

To me, Putin is doing exactly what he promised to do.
Demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine.
Very very successfully.
It is truly remarkable.
Posted by: g wiltek | Aug 9 2024 14:19 utc | 70
Qu’est-ce que tu fumes?

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 16:36 utc | 117

Alas, it hasn’t. Aren’t you supposed to have some for dinner soon?
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 15:39 utc | 94
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“A day or two,” or “a week or two,” what the fuck is the difference in a two and a half year war. Love Donbass at 199 was only pointing out that the UAF stunt is a failure, the RU is mopping up. Yes, the AFU Nazis are trying to stuff as many weapons as possible into their tiny bulge, but their efforts are in vain.
This stunt was a PR operation and, as b just noted, an effort to desperately prolong the war and in my view (watching the MSN in North America) to provide a PR bump for the Kiev Regime who feels (sniff! sniff!) left out of the MS news headlines.
About your attack on b for his comment: “There is no doubt that this will, within a day or two, be achieved.” b may have made a mistake by not just pointing out the Nazis will be removed from Russian soil is a brief time. Most people understand that “a day or two” is a term for “a brief time.”
But you are an exceptional Troll, and you demand precision right to the day and the hour I suppose. You assume that b has an inside connection with the military planning and operation hierarchy of the RU. Hell, Itchy :), it takes two or three days to get the civilians out of harm’s way, never mind the victims of the Ukraine Nazi’s wounded and dead.
So Itchy, while you demand so much pinpoint accuracy, how long do you think the broken-down military can sustain its tiny pinprick of a front on Russia territory?

Posted by: Ed | Aug 9 2024 16:39 utc | 118

Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 9 2024 16:07 utc | 101
Ukraine is meant to be sacrificed but not for nothing. Someone will loose a shit load of money and if they cannot inflict serious damage to RF the empire will loose hegemony.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 9 2024 16:42 utc | 119

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 9 2024 16:23 utc | 111
RUAF and China should cooperate and start taking down US satellites, of which every one is a potential spy satellite due to Pentagon’s doctrine of mandating every US satellite to have provisions to carry spy cameras or sensors.
Most likely the lid will be kept vs. Israel, but it’s easy to see the Syrian and Iraqi militias getting more powerful weapons to hit US bases and cause a few mass casualty events. Maybe even some US aircraft on the ground. US has put half of its navy right next to Sh#trael so they have fortified there. Russia also beefed up Iran, so it’s not likely even US would fare very well in attacking Iran.
Is the game a stalemate currently in ME, or will something happen? Those US bases in Iraq/Syria are still exposed and un-defendable for US. The real problem is their air power available from carriers, missile destroyers and frigates.
A US envoy of senior military officers arrived in Cyprus just today, literally telling them that they are now a front line country/platform against Iran. So the game board is clearly setup.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 16:42 utc | 120

Already Ukrainian troops in Kursk are being eliminated. What few officers the Ukrainians have are being eliminated.
Meanwhile, the Donbass continues to come under Russian control.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 16:43 utc | 121

Russians have gained great sympathy in the Global South. If the Russians were to brutally just destroy these forces who invaded their territory, they would lose this precious sympathy.
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 16:09 utc | 103
And what are Russians going to do with this sympathy now? Or why woukd they need it? Some Brics still want to arrest Putin and “global south” doesn’t recognize even Crimea as Russia. Remember the Chinese amb. to Eu about a year ago, Mr. Fu Cong Ping Pong? He said Crimea should be Ukr. It’s not even true, it’s exactly the opposite. An occupied country won’t receive any “sympathy”. And that npp was attacked before, search tass or other news agencies

Posted by: rk | Aug 9 2024 16:45 utc | 122

unimperator @ 114

and now the general sentiment in infosphere seems to be AFU rolling back somewhat and digging trenches. This is a somewhat worse outcome, as it will take time to dig them out of the hole and opens a new less mobile front.

And, how will Ukraine supply and rotate men in these impromptu fortifications? Maybe the have a plan, maybe they can link forests and tree lines, some sort of Ho Chi Minh trail, otherwise it looks like open roads and fields to me. I’m sure they thought something through but with 404 and the UK in charge you never know, and their track record has been terrible since the start.
This incursion is not a PR stunt, gloating media out of Ukraine and the west is just too lacking – Probably the NPP or it is simply the arrival of NATO’s military attack into Russia, long in the planning and launched now before it becomes impossible.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2024 16:47 utc | 123

RUAF and China should cooperate and start taking down US satellites, of which every one is a potential spy satellite due to Pentagon’s doctrine of mandating every US satellite to have provisions to carry spy cameras or sensors.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 16:42 utc | 120
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This is not a first step. I believe we can safely assume that China and Russia have the capabilities in place to take all enemy satellites offline. As with assassination, too early use of a tactic may not achieve the desired result.
Remember, the Axis isn’t trying to punish the world for what the psychos in the West have chosen to do. Disrupting satellites will affect everyone as modern civilization (have we ever truly civilized?) is increasingly dependent on network communication.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 16:48 utc | 124

Qu’est-ce que tu fumes?
Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 16:36 utc | 117
Right now the Russians are smoking some Ukrainians, with a side dish of foolish French Mercenaries.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 9 2024 16:50 utc | 125

@Ed 118
“A day or two,” or “a week or two,” what the fuck is the difference in a two and a half year war.[…] Most people understand that “a day or two” is a term for “a brief time.”
Posted by: Ed | Aug 9 2024 16:39 utc | 118
Sigh… keep squirming and moving the goalposts. (Yeah, I really was being an idiot with my last response. My brain rots from too much apologia.) First, I wasn’t attacking Bernhard. I was pointing out a general trend in the discourse. Second, now I’m a NATO troll?! I’m a Swedish Marxist proletarian. (The strict definition of the term. Care to test my understanding of it?)
I wasn’t demanding pinpoint accuracy. Bernhard provided it. As for an answer to how long it will take for Russia to evict the Nazis from their homeland… months, (unlikely) years, or “as long as the war lasts?” In effect, the latest move has rendered the border completely meaningless.
Is it really that hard to admit a mistake? I respect people who can admit mistakes.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 16:50 utc | 126

If only your vision weren’t so narrow you would understand that Russia now has gained another area of opportunity for attrition.
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 16:09 utc | 103
Opportunité? La dernière opportunité de ce genre s’est produite lorsque Hitler a envahi la Russie et que 20 millions de vies ont été perdues en la défendant.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 16:51 utc | 127

The Sabbatean-Frankists are the real parasitic war mongers. The Sabbateans encouraged and practiced sexual promiscuity, adultery, incest and religious orgies. After Sabbati Zevi’s death in 1676, his Kabbalist successor, Jacob Frank, expanded upon and continued his occult philosophy. Frankism, a religious movement of the 18th and 19th centuries, centered on his leadership, and his claim to be the reincarnation of the Messiah Sabbatai Zevi.

Posted by: helmut | Aug 9 2024 16:52 utc | 128

I’m going to channel my inner shadowbanned here and make the argument that if this is indeed a fight to the very last Ukrainian, and Russia is going to have to kill every Ukrainian male over 16 and under 75, then they should just cut to the chase.
Nuke Sumy, first. End of Ukrainian Kursk offensive as there is only one major road headed north from there to resupply their current contingent in the borderlands. Use a nuke with a yield big enough to kill anyone inside the city limits.
Stop there, and announce that if Ukraine does not surrender unconditionally and remove all troops inside the Kursk region, Kiev is next.
The moral argument is the same as the US nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII. It will save lives, both Ukrainian and Russian.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 16:53 utc | 129

> However, Zelenski may well believe in at least some of those claims.
I have to disagree. I think he believes in all of that wholesale and expects the US make sure it all happens. This is same person who believes he will get Crimea back. That will never happen either and by some miracle it does happen it will cost the US three or four cities. Co-Presidents Blinken and Jill Biden know that.

Posted by: RobertJHarsh | Aug 9 2024 16:55 utc | 130

Eat that Tichy!
Posted by: Ed | Aug 8 2024 23:21 utc | 220
I’d be overjoyed if Bernhard’s ludicrous prediction of “one or two days” actually came to pass.
Alas, it hasn’t. Aren’t you supposed to have some for dinner soon?
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 15:39 utc | 94
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again Itchy, you are a liar. You would not be “… overjoyed if Bernhard’s ludicrous prediction of “one or two days” actually came to pass.” You would be depressed and out of sorts. You are “overjoyed” because you think the UAF’s, including French and Polish merc’s, are on the verge of some kind of breakthrough. You are blind to the fact that the incursion was an act of desperation: You are blind Itchy, your Russophobia is clearly evidenced in your comments. Get help!

Posted by: Ed | Aug 9 2024 16:56 utc | 131

The moral argument is the same as the US nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII. It will save lives, both Ukrainian and Russian.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 16:53 utc | 129
The problem is that argument was a lie. Japan didn’t surrender because of the atomic bomb.
In this case, there is definitely merit to thinking about a shocking escalation from the Russian side, but we’re not even close to having to play the nuke card yet.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 16:57 utc | 132

again Itchy, you are a liar. You would not be “… overjoyed if Bernhard’s ludicrous prediction of “one or two days” actually came to pass.” You would be depressed and out of sorts. You are “overjoyed” because you think the UAF’s, including French and Polish merc’s, are on the verge of some kind of breakthrough. You are blind to the fact that the incursion was an act of desperation: You are blind Itchy, your Russophobia is clearly evidenced in your comments. Get help!
Posted by: Ed | Aug 9 2024 16:56 utc | 131
Okay. You are a cunt. What I told you in that post was exactly how I felt when I read yours. I studied Russian in high school. I joined the Swedish Communist Youth when I was 13. I visited Leningrad and Moscow where our “sister school” students lived. I live in a country where telling people what I think publicly can get me fired. I’ve considered emigrating to Russia for two years now, especially since I learned Sweden was to join NATO, but my mother is very ill and I don’t want to leave her.
You’re a fucking anonymous internet hack who probably couldn’t make your way through the Communist Manifesto if your life depended on it.
Now go to hell.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 17:02 utc | 133

Just read Moldova bloggers post and he made the point better. Strategic nukes first. Don’t waste time with tactical ones. Probably better to nuke Sumy and Kiev simultaneously, as the latter no doubt has a lot of high level NATO types (generals, advisers, etc.) wandering around.
Once its gone, no more parade of politico scum like BoJo and US Congress folks visiting for the Zelensky knee-down, either.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:02 utc | 134

“I’m a Swedish Marxist proletarian.”
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 16:50 utc | 126
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That will be the day!

Posted by: Ed | Aug 9 2024 17:02 utc | 135

That will be the day!
Posted by: Ed | Aug 9 2024 17:02 utc | 135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ufF-5dUII

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 17:03 utc | 136

@Tichy – do you see a path forward for Zelensky and Ukraine to win even if he were to survive a 100KT nuke dropped on Kiev?
Maybe he gets lucky and he’s in France at the closing ceremonies of the Olympics, or something. But what is left of the UAF? The entire contingent in Kursk region is now cut off from supplies. They are easy pickings for the slaughterhouse.
Not to mention 1 million or so dead civilians. Society completely unravels there as any able survivors must leave the army to focus on saving their families or whatever is left of them.
No way Ukraine is anything other than a spent country after that. There is no coming back.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:09 utc | 137

The cancer known as USSR is to blame for all this, with its statsi KGB gulag feeding russophobia to this day. Russia collapsed in 1917 destroyed in 1918-1922 and 1941-1945 collapsed again 1991. duped and fvcked by NATO, it lost it’s sphere of influence was throw into the 1990s in misery and humiliation.surpassed economically by Japan Germany France UK.. now being attacked by nato along a state former part of itself, as it watches its citizens being killed and cries. Banned in the Olympics,its president wanted as criminal in half of the world, turs into a phariah state. I’m surprised there are any nationalists left. What the cancer of socialism/communism does to a country 😥

Posted by: Yeltsin | Aug 9 2024 17:12 utc | 138

I’m going to channel my inner shadowbanned here and make the argument that if this is indeed a fight to the very last Ukrainian, and Russia is going to have to kill every Ukrainian male over 16 and under 75, then they should just cut to the chase.
Nuke Sumy, first. End of Ukrainian Kursk offensive as there is only one major road headed north from there to resupply their current contingent in the borderlands. Use a nuke with a yield big enough to kill anyone inside the city limits.
Stop there, and announce that if Ukraine does not surrender unconditionally and remove all troops inside the Kursk region, Kiev is next.
The moral argument is the same as the US nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII. It will save lives, both Ukrainian and Russian.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 16:53 utc | 129
Unusual how many are endorsing nuclear war today. Not just here, but all over the Internet, it seems the Ukronazi fans are terribly excited at the prospect of Russia initiating a nuclear exchange.
For all you praying for nuclear war, just commit suicide. You have nothing to live for. Go make your own private end of the world and leave the good people of earth to struggle against imperialism and it’s wars and genocides.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 9 2024 17:15 utc | 139

Unfortunately short of a Maginot Line in the relevant territories it’s clearly been demonstrated by Ukraine that Russian Ukrainian borderlands are exceedingly permeable, even by using the main border highways! Rambo types could conceivably persist for months in the territorial wilderness, but for what strategic purpose?
Rather, as others have stated, it appears the unstated message is that not only are Russia’s south western borders exceedingly porous, and therefore invadable, but that Russia is already saturated to the hilt with fifth columns, whose focus would be unleashing bio-atomic (dirty bomb) devastation on the Russian Federation, thereby leading to the deposement of its leadership, if not outright disintegration of the Federation itself. Doubtless this would come at a most terrible cost to the most likely operational suspect, Ukraine, but then is it not already apparent that Ukraine is an entirely disposable cat’s paw of the West’s?
The question: Is NATO sufficiently deterred against a significant attack against Russian nuclear infrastructure, notably including civilian, regardless of however ostensibly plausibly deniable the act? Vis a vis Ukraine, Russia’s triumph against the latter seems inevitable, however the reality, of course, is that Russia is contending with the totality of NATO, in which case the danger comes most gravely in the form of nuclear terrorism (entirely plausibly deniable or falsiable by the Western MSM), and whether Russia is prepared to respond in tit for tat kind.
To wit, in a form that is direct, declarative, and fully acknowledged by Russia, lest Russia itself adopt the (hypothetical) tactics of NATO-concerted terrorism on a like nuclear scale and with equal pusillanimity. Leading to a civilization-destroying spiral of such unacknowledged acts, so that the majority of the human world ends in the most indescribable mystery.

Posted by: Ludovic | Aug 9 2024 17:20 utc | 140

@Tichy – do you see a path forward for Zelensky and Ukraine to win even if he were to survive a 100KT nuke dropped on Kiev?
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:09 utc | 137
Zelensky and the Ukraine can never win. That isn’t in the cards. This is all just the opening salvoes of the third world war. NATO vs Russia and China.
Putin needs to handle this somehow. I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes. As for the Western leaders, they’re all so bloody stupid that they will probably just be happy-go-lucky until a giant something falls from the sky. And yeah, I realize that as I’m saying this I am probably underestimating the enemy.

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 17:20 utc | 141

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 16:48 utc | 124 “. I believe we can safely assume that China and Russia have the capabilities in place to take all enemy satellites offline”
Short of detonating nuclear weapons in outer space (which would also take all Chinese and Russian satellites off line) I safely assume Russia and China do not have the capability to do that.

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 17:21 utc | 142

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 9 2024 17:15 utc | 139
So what’s NATO’s move after the scenario I outlined happens? You think they’re really going to go all in and do a counterstrike on Russia using Nukes?
That’s suicidal for them. Their precious, shitstain markets from which they derive all their power are FUCKED. You can kiss Western Europe goodbye. ANd probably America, too.
No, they’ll rage a lot about the barbaric Russians unleashing the Nuclear Pandoras box (when it was in fact them that did so back in ’45) but in the end they’ll have no choice but to accept the total defeat of their puppet regime.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:23 utc | 143

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:23 utc | 143 “scenario I outlined happen”
Is China okay with your scenario?

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 17:25 utc | 144

If RUAF controls gets this under control, they are still far ahead.
Does being “far ahead” count for much in war? Unless it compels your adversary to lay down arms and desist (either surrender or negotiation), points have iffy import.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Aug 9 2024 17:31 utc | 145

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 17:20 utc | 141
Agree with you on that, especially the last paragraph. Putin seems to have been operating under the assumption that an attritional war would eventually result in smarter heads outside of Ukraine accepting their fate. Heunderestimated the sheer viciousness and willingness to take stupid risks by NATO.
Let’s hope he wakes up.
As for NATO, if their goal is to destroy Russia irregardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine, then Putin needs to accept that as well and plan accordingly. I would start by telling the people of Russia that NATO has defacto declared war on Russia, intends to destroy each and every one of them, and get the populace to rally behind him to finally exterminate every last one of the neocons. With extreme prejudice! We need heads bashed in with baseball bats and the skulls in smithereens to send a message.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:32 utc | 146

Ahenobarbaric@1715
NO fuggin NUKES. Once Pandora’s box gets opened, the whole world is endangered. Simplistic solutions are not solutions, nor are they simple…lots of snakes, akin to the head of Medusa. Speedbumps can be taken out by bulldozers and Russia has plenty of them.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 17:37 utc | 147

Posted by: rk | Aug 9 2024 16:45 utc | 122
As I told Tichy, that entire post was sarcasm, and me venting at every plan truster who insists that every incursion into Russian territory or missile/drone strike deep inside Russia, which Putin/Lavrov/Peskov 50 times over told us was a red line that would lead to “strikes against decision-making centers”, is actually a clever Russian trap and/or means nothing at all. I always found the “/s” tags people use annoying, but maybe there’s a reason for them after all.
To expand on what Chris Cosmos said about Ukrainian “fighting spirit”: It is indeed pretty amazing how this Ukrainian army, which has been at the verge of collapse every single day for 2½ years now, reduced to sending 50 year olds and 15 year olds into a “meat grinder”, is still able to pull off these counter-offensives.
But yeah, I’m a Ukraine shill and “concern troll”, as opposed to someone who wishes Russia and its population well (including the poor civilians of Kursk oblast, who are naturally furious at being treated as expendable by the Russian leadership, not that the high priests here at MoA – for whom Russian civilians are equally expendable – give a shit about them either). I happen to wish that Russia didn’t have an autistic lawyer at the helm who allows Russian nuclear power plants to become blackmail targets by encroaching Ukrainian forces and Russian early warning radar sites and nuclear bomber bases be struck by missiles and pretend like nothing happened. And also, lest we forget, Russian civilians either killed or hastily evacuated from their homes because they happened to live in “squares on a map” that both the Kremlin and the people on high horses here on MoA consider irrelevant.
Sometimes I think the biggest trick the West ever pulled on Putin was Brzezinski calling his book “The Grand Chessboard”. It seems to have literally infected Putin with the idea that he’s actually playing chess with the West. (Recall his favorite anecdote about the West as a piegon that just flips over the chessboard when it loses by the “rules”.) In reality, Russia is facing down an opponent that for 70 years was prevented from annihilating Russia by the development of the Soviets’ own nuclear deterrent (Churchill’s “Operation Unthinkable”, which was rejected but morphed into US plans to simply nuke about a hundred Soviet cities, which were in turn dropped after the USSR detonated its own first nuke four years earlier than the CIA expected), but is now systematically calling bluff after bluff.
And yes, Russia will eventually win this war. They also won WWII, but only after 25 million Soviet citizens were dead and most of the country was in ruins. I spent my whole life believing that Soviet nuclear weapons (and even then only as the last layer of deterrence) were the guarantee that no war would ever be fought on Russian soil again, and I’m upset that this was apparently just a joke. Seeing people being called “concern trolls” for expressing disappointment over this by the vile cynics on this site (who have the gall to think of themselves as somehow morally and intellectually superior) makes me want to vomit.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 17:38 utc | 148

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 16:51 utc | 127
Which was PRECISELY my point. Remind me to never employ sarcasm on this site again…

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 17:41 utc | 149

The Netherlands does not restrict Kyiv from using transferred F-16 fighters to carry out strikes on Russian territory – the country’s government
“>https://t.me/Novichok_Rossiya_2/11565

First the USA OKs USA weapons attacking into Kursk, traditional Russia, now this statement, it’s all coordinated, and the statements and rhetoric will accumulate. It’s not PR, it’s not a negotiating move, it’s not to show their masters they still have fight and need more money, it’s an attack into Russia, Russia will either squash it fast or it will grow into NATO Russia war, seems NATO wants that as much as Netanyahu wants war with Iran. They are up to something big in the world. It’s the west’s version of the final scene in the Godfather when Michael settles all scores in one fell swoop, they’ve been getting there slowly, to trick the woke sheep, but relentlessly – that’s the give away, the doggedness.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2024 17:41 utc | 150

@Unnamed 148
Great post.
Putin thinks he’s playing chess but it’s really a game called Cage match ultimate fighting with no rules. Any weapons are acceptable, too.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:42 utc | 151

Yeltsin@1712
Stoopid is as stupid says. Russia as a pariah state with its president considered as a criminal by half the world? Ridiculous on the face of it. First thing you should do is go to some deserted gravel pit and take your .12 gauge along with your boobtoob. Won’t inform you as exactly what to do but you should get the drift.
Boobtoob Noose is one Hundred percent toxic. You can get more informed common sense here on MoA than what appears to be your primary info source.
Who knows, with enough knowledge you can become a valued contributor.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 17:43 utc | 152

ZH has a posting up with the title
Pentagon Refuses To Rule Out Strikes On Moscow In Shocking Exchange On Ukraine’s Incursion Into Kursk
the quote

The Pentagon on Thursday was asked by a reporter during the daily briefing whether Ukraine forces’ use of American weapons in its ongoing Kursk incursion is “consistent” with US policy of what Ukraine can and cannot do with US weapons. It has become clear that Ukrainian troops are currently using American weapons to attack Russian territory, troops, civilians, and infrastructure.
Spokeswoman Sabrina Singh answered without hesitation that “yes it is consistent with our policy” and explained that Washington has supported the need for “crossfire” from Ukraine back across the border onto Russian positions from which it is being attacked, even if that is on Russian territory. She framed what is happening in Russia’s Kursk oblast—an offensive which has entered day four—as ‘defensive’ in nature.
Singh still tried to point out that it remains US policy for Ukraine to avoid striking deep into Russian territory using American arms; however, when pressed about the scenario of a direct attack on Moscow, she simply said: “I’m not going to put a specific range on it” and thus refused to rule it out. But she did caveat that “we still don’t support long-range attacks into Russia.” Singh additionally explained, “I’m not gonna draw a circular map for you here of where they can and cannot strike.”

end game anyone?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2024 17:43 utc | 153

The Summer 2024 Kiev offensive will advance backwards as it was with the Kiev 2023 offensive.

Posted by: Kaiama | Aug 9 2024 17:44 utc | 154

We shouldn’t personalize this too much to be about Putin, either. That’s the exact same nonsense that the West uses to lie to their own populations. Ultimately this is about the Russian people, whom I love and want to see succeed. If they need a better wartime leader they should rise up and figure out how to get one.
Maybe Erdogan is available.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 17:44 utc | 155

Right now the Russians are smoking some Ukrainians, with a side dish of foolish French Mercenaries.
Posted by: kupkee | Aug 9 2024 16:50 utc | 125
Right now Ukraine has penetrated 30 km into Russia and has taken 350 square kilometers. Putin was caught with his pants down. If you need to cope by pointing out that people die in war, go ahead.
Many Barflies are suffering from epistemic closure and cognitive dissonance. The SMO is a failure. Putin’s idiotic goals are farther away now than when the war started. The Ukrainian invasion of Russia is an embarrassment and the sweet lemons here are even more embarrassing.
And please don’t respond while sitting on Santa Claus’s lap, as is the Barfly way, rattling off your future wish list and all the SMO presents you and Putin will get for your metaphorical Christmas that never comes.
Deal with the present. The SMO is a bloody slog that hasn’t moved in years. Ukraine is integrated with NATO and has invaded Russia. Santa Claus is not coming to town.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 17:50 utc | 156

🇩🇪💥🇷🇺 KURSK – 1943
🇺🇦🇩🇪💥🇷🇺 KURSK – 2024
❗️Apparently, the Ukronazis did not read what happened next in the history textbooks.

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/123591

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2024 17:50 utc | 157

After so many soldiers and civilians killed inside the sovereign territory of the Russian Federation, I still do not understand why Putin do not give the Axis of Resistance (Irak, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria and above all Iran) their modern weapons and system to sink some american ships (better carriers), to shut-down US warplanes and to obliterate the US bases in the ME, assisted by his IRS and russian specialists on the ground as the western countries, especially US is making to kill scores of russian civilians and soldiers inside RF with total impunity and joy by the MSM.
Everybody ans specially in the West, will understand the message if the modern russian stand-off weapons start to appears in the ME and they, for sure, will back-down in Ukraine.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 9 2024 17:52 utc | 158

“No nukes!”
So then where does the escalation end?
The escalation ends with nukes. It has been that way all along. The only way to avoid that is for Russia to betray China, put on their gimp suit and dog collar, kneel before the Empire and hand their leash to Uncle Scam.
Or revolution in the US, but I’ll not hold my breath for that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2024 17:52 utc | 159

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 16:09 utc | 103
These are all good points, unnamed one. May your un-name be a more frequent name visiting this forum.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Aug 9 2024 17:54 utc | 160

unnamed@1738
Somehow you managed to skip over the origin of all those missiles which are being used to attack vulnerable sites in Russia. Not ONE of those missiles were developed by the Ukes. Nor are ANY of them being programmed and controlled by the Kievites. That’s all NATO $hit, and mostly built to enrich the owners of the WARDefenseIndustry. Yeah, like the Rottenchild Crime Clan happens to be the biggest shareholder in Lockheed-Martin, the biggest source for grifting by greedy Congre$$-Critters as well as for the Zillionaires.
Dima on his site this morning revealed that Ukie psywar types, probably with We$tern assistance, telephoned hundreds of Russian citizens in the Kursk attack bubble, presenting themselves as Kursk Regional authorities and advised them to immediately EVACUATE their towns and villages. This cluttered up the roads, much as was the case in May of 1940 when French and Belgian refugees did…effectually jamming the roads which the French were needing to send in their reinforcements and supplies.
War is dirty. The Russian government makes mistakes too. But when their enemies are dirty and utterly vicious and often attack civilians, it’s easy to discern which side includes the angels with black wings and red halos.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 17:55 utc | 161

The Summer 2024 Kiev offensive will advance backwards as it was with the Kiev 2023 offensive.
Posted by: Kaiama | Aug 9 2024 17:44 utc | 154
This is a taskforce of 1-3k troops right? Can it even be compared to the 2023 offensive? Remember those oblasts were Russian territory too.
With the amount of hysteria and talk of nukes on this thread, you’d think they sneaked in 100k troops.

Posted by: Autumn | Aug 9 2024 17:56 utc | 162

The Ukrainian Neo-Nazi’s played their part in the attack on Kursk.
“One of Kiev’s battalions involved in the cross-border attack on Russia’s Kursk Region shares its name with a Nazi special operations unit that was active in Eastern Europe during World War II, Ukrainian news website Focus has reported.
The Nachtigall Battalion”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 9 2024 17:56 utc | 163

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 17:50 utc | 156
The SMO was started to thwart the Ukrainian/Nato attack on Donbass.
While Ukraine/Nato killed a huge amount of civilians, they killed far less had it started 3 weeks later. And yeah, they have the Azov basin land connection and a large chunk of Ukraine, whose army grouping is melting fast away in Donbass.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 18:00 utc | 164

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 16:36 utc | 117
If you have any sense you’ll stick to invading Egypt. That went well – for a while.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 9 2024 18:00 utc | 165

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 17:21 utc | 142
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Russia in particular is way ahead of the West when it comes to physics and all space-based conflict will be rooted in the ability to manipulate the laws of physics.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 18:01 utc | 166

One more post and I will stop for the day. I find myself agreeing more with Napoleon’s last post.
This is an existential war now for Russia. Let’s make the assumption that the Kursk incursion in due course of time ends badly for Ukraine, just like the 2023 fail-o-muh-offensive did. All their troops are wiped out or crawl meekly back across the border. A win for Russia, right?
Not so much. This situation is different – the ’23 fail-o-muh-offensive was inside of Ukrainian (former) territory they were trying to win back. And, sure, it may mean the end for the UAF. But from NATO’s perspective, they just proved they can send a bunch of armed proxies into Russian territory. It would be the same as if Mexico invaded the SW US and made it pretty far across the border, using Russian weapons and advisers. Even a failure could not be tolerated.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 9 2024 18:03 utc | 167

Psychohistorian@1743
We must ever bear in mind that the Zionist Occupied Government in the Di$trict of Corruption is a totally owned subsidiary of the mostly Talmudist owners of the “Federal” Reserve Bank. Their actions are orchestrated by $oros$,along with other major Talmudist campaign contributors to both of the 2 peas in a pod parties and are in no wise representative of informed American citizens.
Ms. $ingh appears to be one more of those youngish female DEI appointees. She is a relatively minor spokeswoman for the likes of the falsely Irish-named Sullivan and more certainly by Blinken, Winken and $tinken…the latter of whom obviously owes his allegiance to the six-pointed $tar of the Golden Calf Worshippers.
The Department of $tate is totally under control of the collective enemies of humanity. The upper regions of that rats’ nest are utterly infested with dual citizens and suchlike traitors.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 18:04 utc | 168

Billygoat Gruff @1752
Where did you lose your common sense, your very sense of survival, my man. Sometimes you post very sensible stuff and I enjoy that…but NUKES?

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 18:07 utc | 169

I still do not understand why Putin do not give the Axis of Resistance (Irak, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria and above all Iran) their modern weapons and system to sink some american ships (better carriers), to shut-down US warplanes and to obliterate the US bases in the ME, assisted by his IRS and russian specialists on the ground as the western countries, especially US is making to kill scores of russian civilians and soldiers inside RF with total impunity and joy by the MSM.
Everybody ans specially in the West, will understand the message if the modern russian stand-off weapons start to appears in the ME and they, for sure, will back-down in Ukraine.
Posted by: Dave | Aug 9 2024 17:52 utc | 158
##############
Yes, you do not understand. You’re approaching this emotionally and not logically or rationally.
No message to the West will change anything. They have abandoned popular consent, they violate their own laws regularly. The idea that the psychopaths of the West can be reasoned with is a waste of time and the Axis is well aware of this now after giving them every opportunity for peace.
Russia’s and Chinese vectors of attack are not kinetic. They are diplomatic and economic. They are carving out a New World Order that doesn’t include the West except as consumers of Eastern goods.
This Kursk thing isn’t a fly on an elephant’s ass. It doesn’t matter in the long run. What is happening with BRICs and SCO is what matters.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 18:08 utc | 170

Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 17:21 utc | 142
There are, at least in theory, many less crude ways to destroy or render useless satellites in orbit besides sending a missile to blow them up (with resulting space junk).
There were a series of articles in the Asia Times claiming that China had already placed “relativistic klystron amplifiers” in space. Here is one of them: https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/china-in-a-microwave-weapon-great-leap-forward/
Now I know what a klystron is, and the article at least somewhat clarifies what a relativistic klystron amplifier is. The central point is that it would be a powerful source of directed microwave radiation that would “fry” the electronics of an enemy satellite. Given a sufficient power source (such as a nuclear reactor, and satellites with nuclear reactors have been placed in orbit many times, in particular by the USSR) and perhaps an energy buffer such as supercapacitors (in order to be able to fire off short, powerful bursts), such a weapon could be reused and it could be used to disable only particular satellites, without breaking them up.
There’s also the (pretty funny) method of using basically a space tug: A very simple, maneuvering satellite that approaches and then grabs hold of an enemy satellite, and then decelerates it until its orbit is unstable. Then your space tug lets go and accelerates itself back to a stable orbit. The satellite you “hugged” this way will then burn up in the atmosphere without leaving any debris. Again, given a sufficient power source, enough reaction mass and powerful enough thrusters, this space tug would be reusable, possibly many times. Such a space tug (or weapon, or whatever we want to call it) would be pretty straightforward to build.
A third method would be to generate an electromagnetic pulse to disable satellite electronics within a certain range, which could be done with a nuclear weapon (obviously with a quite large, perhaps unacceptably large, range), but also by non-nuclear means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Non-nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse_(NNEMP)
What Russia and China have actually put in space we can only speculate about. But they’ve had plenty of time to think about these things, they have plenty of people who understand these things far better than I do, and the Chinese (Russia not as much, unfortunately) have been quite productive in the field of constructing and launching military satellites in the last few decades. Hopefully either of them, or both, have enough assets in orbit already to disable or “deorbit” all American satellites before the US can meaningfully respond.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 18:11 utc | 171

Nappyoleon@1750
How goes your retreat from Moscow? Did the Brits name their “loos” after Waterloo?

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 18:12 utc | 172

LoveDonbass@1808
Aha! A voice of clarity and sanity…a welcome relief from bubbleheads blowing soap suds.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 18:14 utc | 173

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 18:12 utc | 172
Is that all you’ve got? Calling people names? You’re a joke.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 18:14 utc | 174

A second iteration, with larger elements involved would be develop a pair of pincer moves, say about 30 k’s east and west of the Ukie incursion polyp, in order to nip the entire bud perhaps 20 k’s in depth BEHIND the entire Ukie drive. Strikes me as strange that the Russian general staff has not developed such contingency op-plans.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 16:00 utc | 98
I’ve mentioned Gordeevka as a nice wedging maneuver (maybe Guevo for the second prong) Yunakivka as joining point and new border town. Straightens the line without too much extension and not too close to the woods.
BTW for those wanting to bomb Sumy… the population is mainly russian.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 18:14 utc | 175

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 17:02 utc | 133
On the Internet, no-one knows that you are really a dog, or whatever. Such assertions are both unprovable and inherently dubious, as well as being a favourite tactic of those who want to conceal their true affiliations. You may be exactly what you claim, but there is no point in saying so. Your words (in aggregate) will prove your position.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 9 2024 18:17 utc | 176

Ukraine was committing genocide against the Donbass for a decade BEFORE Russia went in. Putin tried Minsk TWICE before starting the SMO to a lot of domestic criticism.
Israelis popularly condone the rape and genocide of their neighbors.
Why does anyone think they are dealing with rational moral actors?
There is no “message” that can be sent to Biden (who is not President in any way that matters, despite what some NAFO trolls say), Scholz, or whoever is the PM of England this week. These people are dangerous psychopaths, dragging millions of their citizens along with them. If you want to end the world, start nuking. Until then, be satisfied with destroying the currencies and social cohesion of these countries. The latter is easily done as they seem to be consuming themselves through the internal cognitive dissonance of their elite-promoted ideologies (feminism, globalism, liberalism).

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 18:17 utc | 177

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 17:02 utc | 133
On the Internet, no-one knows that you are really a dog. Such assertions are both unprovable and inherently dubious, as well as being a favourite tactic of those who want to conceal their true affiliations. You may be exactly what you claim, but there is no point in saying so. Your words (in aggregate) will prove your position.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 9 2024 18:17 utc | 178

Is that all you’ve got? Calling people names? You’re a joke.
Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 18:14 utc | 174
##############
It seems that self-awareness may not be your strong suit.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 18:21 utc | 179

Posted by: Yeltsin | Aug 9 2024 17:12 utc | 138
As you nearly destroyed Russia, and caused the premature deaths of many thousands of Russian citizens, you’ve got a brass neck to say anything on the subject. And in any case, you are dead, you hopeless drunk.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 9 2024 18:22 utc | 180

Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Apti Alaudinov – has said that Nato organised and commanded the Kursk breach – he added that many French and Polish troops co-ordinated the attacks. in Kursk.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 9 2024 18:24 utc | 181

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 18:21 utc | 179
I haven’t seen your nick around here before, but I have read your posts in thread and they haven’t left me very impressed. I think we can safely name you a joke as well.

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 18:25 utc | 182

Why haven’t the Ukrainians reached Moscow yet? After all, their SMO has been going for over 3 days now. Have they got bogged down in muddy south-west Russian cow pastures?
Some online video sources suggest they’ve been reduced to looting Russian washing machines in order to recover microchips for the drones. But there would be no point in trying to actually use the washing machines when the electricity is off for up to 18 hours a day.
Meanwhile the Ghost of Keeeeev has been reported to be practising circuits and bumps in his F-16, which is about all he can manage before the engine ingests something that disagrees with it.
It’s also reported that the Ukrainian entrants for the Kinburn Split bathing beauty contest didn’t make it to the inaugural parade.
And while all this is going on, Ukraine continues its economic and financial free-fall.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 9 2024 18:26 utc | 183

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 9 2024 17:50 utc | 156
All you prove in that post is that:
a) you don’t have a clue, and
b) you are posting from a position of anti-Russian prejudice.
Surely they taught you better at troll school?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 9 2024 18:28 utc | 184

Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 17:03 utc | 136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgfCxi0xFis
Proletärer i alla länder, förena er! ☭

Posted by: Unnamed | Aug 9 2024 18:35 utc | 185

Kursk is a trap and a distraction from what’s coming to the ME. Is Qatar ready for a war in the ME? That should be the main focus at the moment not eastern europe.

Posted by: AI | Aug 9 2024 18:36 utc | 186

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2024 17:52 utc | 159
There is no other option than Nukes now. God forbid that it came to this, I pray that Putin has not taken leave of his senses to the point where he will permit further and deeper incursions/invasions, bow to America and allow them to station troops in Eastern Russia for easy access to China.
I live in Western Europe and understand the consequences of an all out nuclear exchange only to well, however at this point we might as well get on with it – if that is what it takes to smash American oppression.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 9 2024 18:38 utc | 187

Unnamed – good posts, fellow factory worker, but try to let bait float downstream unmolested.
Btw, Love Donbass has been around quite awhile. Welcome to the bar. Just be smart, and drink sociably.
Re: the topic… The last 24 hours has not demonstrated any forward movement by Ukie forces. (If I’ve missed something please post a link)That tells me “the offensive” has stalled. Now Russia has to kill everything that crossed the border, and I’d venture to guess that the forces brought in to do that job won’t stop ay the border. Heh heh… The Ukies created the Sumi Front.

Posted by: comrade simba | Aug 9 2024 18:40 utc | 188

Norwegian @ 157

🇩🇪💥🇷🇺 KURSK – 1943
🇺🇦🇩🇪💥🇷🇺 KURSK – 2024

Supposedly plenty or mercenaries involved in the incursion, when this ends Putin could show some word wide media cojones and hang any captured ones in Red Sq. in the exact same spot the scaffolds were set up in 1945.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2024 18:42 utc | 189

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk direction: fighting in Sudzha
what is known as of 18:00 August 9, 2024
Although active clashes continue in the border area of ​​Kursk Oblast, the front line has somewhat stabilized as reinforcements of the Russian Armed Forces arrive. However, it is premature to talk about stabilization of the situation.
🔻In the Sudzhansky district, for the first time on the Internet, facts of the presence of Ukrainian formations on the western outskirts of Sudzha in Zaoleshenka appeared, which we wrote about a few days ago. Russian troops hold the eastern half along the Psel River, the enemy is not there.
▪️According to residents of Vtoroye Knyazhin, the Ukrainian Armed Forces infantry entered the village under the cover of armored vehicles, and part of the population managed to leave the village.
▪️According to some reports, the enemy attempted to break through the state border in the area of ​​the Kucherov farmstead, 22 kilometers southeast of Sudzha. At the moment, there is shooting on the approaches, there is no information about entering the settlement directly.
▪️Also, footage appears online confirming the enemy’s advance toward the Yuzhny farm : north of Kazachya Loknya, a Lancet UAV crew hit a 2S1 Gvozdika howitzer located in a forest belt. In addition, west of Viktorovka, at a road intersection, an enemy stronghold was hit by fire.
An interesting point: judging by the footage, the strikes often hit armored vehicles that have already been abandoned. Indirectly, this may indicate that the enemy is experiencing problems with organization and management in places, as well as supplying its troops in the combat zone.
🔻In the Korenevsky district, Russian troops are holding Korenevo under stable control. Statements about battles on the approaches and in the village itself, as well as alleged infantry attacks supported by tanks, turned out to be a radio game by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Later, the head of the village, Roman Pugachev , reported that there were no clashes in the village, although he confirmed shelling from the enemy.
▪️War correspondent Alexander Kots notes that on the highway from Lgov, surveillance cameras continue to operate, which the enemy uses for its own purposes to determine the movements of the Russian Armed Forces.
At the moment, fighting continues along the entire breakthrough area. It is possible that in the next few days the enemy will introduce a second echelon in order to expand the control zone and advance further to the east. So the main battles are still ahead.

https://t.me/two_majors/29272

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 18:44 utc | 190

Mike Mihajlovic and BMA military update now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFkCD0C4wfE

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 18:45 utc | 191

In response to

Billygoat Gruff @1752
Where did you lose your common sense, your very sense of survival, my man. Sometimes you post very sensible stuff and I enjoy that…but NUKES?
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 18:07 utc | 169

I agree and question the authenticity of the sender.
We have had this no first use nuke conversation at the bar many times and while the situation is more intense currently, the response is the same……the God Of Mammon bully cult will not be put down by another bully but by a consortium of countries that want to live their lives another way….bottom up versus top down if you need simplicity.
And nukes are only used in defense. It is my understanding that Putin has said that the Russia/China alliance currently has nuclear superiority over the West.
That is why NATO is burning through everything under nukes they got and it fills the Russian goal of demilitarization so all is good……
We are watching history being written in that time when “things” speed up for a while and big geopolitical changes occur….fascinating

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2024 18:46 utc | 192

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 9 2024 18:38 utc | 187
No.
NATO is in desperate need to go nuclear because it will never win a conventional war with RF, nor that israel/us can win a conventional war against yemen/Lebanon let alone Iran.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 9 2024 18:48 utc | 193

Russia is in deep trouble. Now there’s stories on pro-Russian telegram channels like “DD Geopolitics” that say Russia is requesting/getting missiles from Iran. Seems like Russia has burned through their inventory and are running low. Meanwhile the West keeps supplying Ukraine with weapons, men, and money.

Posted by: bored | Aug 9 2024 18:53 utc | 194

Posted by: bored | Aug 9 2024 18:53 utc | 194
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Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2024 18:57 utc | 195

If Russia uses nuclear weapons to repel the attack it will be a sign of weakness that shows its conventional army wasn’t strong enough to defend itself.
If NATO uses nuclear weapons to attack Russia it will be a sign of weakness that shows its conventional army was never strong enough to take on Russia.
Whoever uses nuclear weapons first loses.
(Just semantics)

Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 18:57 utc | 196

This farmyard foray by the Ukrainians is about as strategically and operationally significant as Hitler capturing the Channel Islands. Sure, it looks good for propaganda purposes but it will make bugger all difference to the outcome of the SMO.
Unless of course the Ukies take Moscow by the end of the weekend and topple a “fragile” Putin (if he hasn’t already died of 27 different kinds of cancer).

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 9 2024 18:59 utc | 197

@194
Your claims are the exact opposite of what’s being reported in US media, which almost always slants the news to portray Russia in as negative a light as possible. See the latest NYT reports for examples of what I mean.
What’s the source of your info that Russia’s MIC is sputtering, can no longer produce enough missiles, and must henceforth rely on Iran to make-up the difference.

Posted by: GW | Aug 9 2024 18:59 utc | 198

@bored | Aug 9 2024 18:53 utc | 194

Now there’s stories on pro-Russian telegram channels like “DD Geopolitics” that say Russia is requesting/getting missiles from Iran.

You have not linked to any source, because this is an incorrect rumour.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2024 19:00 utc | 199

Posted by: bored | Aug 9 2024 18:53 utc | 194
So what? The Mighty US global power is literally begging Japan and S Korea to provide it artillery shells too.
Everything is neighborly relations, trade and helping each other out.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 19:01 utc | 200