Ukraine SitRep: Kursk Campaign Designed To Keep War Going
The (former) President of Ukraine Vlodomir Zelenski recently made some ambivalent remarks about potential peace talks:
Volodymyr Zelensky told the newspaper "Le Monde" that he does not rule out holding a referendum on the future of Ukrainian territories to end the war, but "it requires the will of the Ukrainian people."
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According to the president of the country, Ukraine should not liberate all its territories by "force and weapons," because this option "costs us a lot of time and human lives." Zelensky added: - We can return our territories through diplomatic means.This is another groundbreaking statement from the Ukrainian leader. On July 22, he said in an interview with the BBC that Ukraine is ready to negotiate the end of the war with Russia, even if Vladimir Putin leads the latter. According to the president of Ukraine, the most essential thing in this matter is a genuine desire for peace on terms consistent with international law.
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He added that the "hot" stage of the war could end before the end of 2024, but the peace plan must be fully agreed with Ukraine's allies "so that no one plays with their own initiatives for ending the war."
It was and is doubtful that Zelenski really wants to make peace. In talks with the Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban he had pointed to a theory of victory over Russia. As Orban explained (machine translation):
According to Hungarian Prime Minister Orban, in reality Zelensky assumes that Russia will have to resort to general mobilization in the middle of next year. And this can lead to internal destabilization in the Russian Federation.Therefore, Zelensky is confident that time is playing on the side of Ukraine in the war - as Orban wrote in a letter to EU leaders after meeting with the Ukrainian president. A source in diplomatic circles informed Strana about the existence of such a letter.
"As for the outcome of the war, the President of Ukraine is confident that the Russian armed forces will be forced to resort to general mobilization in the middle of next year, which will lead to internal destabilization. He believes that the Ukrainian forces are stable, prepared and able to maintain combat effectiveness even in the long term, if Western arms supplies continue. He believes that time is on the side of Ukraine, not on the side of Russia," the letter says.
At the same time, Orban notes that Putin's assessment of the situation is diametrically opposed. The Russian President believes that time is on Russia's side.
I find the Zelenski's theory of victory rather fancy.
- Russia will need a general mobilization?
- The mobilization in Russia would lead to the destabilization of Russia?
- The government of President Putin would fall over it?
- The Ukrainian army is in good shape?
- It can stay in combat for much longer?
- Ukraine can wait out Russia?
I would answer each of those question with a loud "No".
However, Zelenski may well believe in at least some of those claims.
The issue came up again due to the recent Ukrainian incursion into the Kursk region of Russia. There are multiple ideas what the Ukraine leaders wants to achieve with this:
Ukraine has said nothing about the mission or its goals. Theories abound, from an attempt to seize territory as a potential bargaining chip in future negotiations with Moscow, to a diversionary tactic to ease pressure on stretched defenses in Ukraine by drawing Russian forces away from the frontline.
But the Bloomberg writer comes up with a different theory - that the attack was made to unbalance Russia:
The episode exposed the fragility of Russian border defenses with growing numbers of its soldiers fighting in Ukraine. It has boosted Ukrainian morale.And it has also punctured the Kremlin’s carefully constructed image of Putin as the protector of ordinary Russians.
Instead, the war he started in Ukraine now spills increasingly into Russia, where people in border regions live under constant risk of shelling and drones strike key industrial facilities.
For Ukraine, it’s likely to bolster Kyiv’s argument that US and European allies shouldn’t fear Kremlin threats of escalation and that it should be allowed to take the fight to Putin in any way it sees fit to hasten an end to the war.
The daily summary author at Strana suspects an only slightly different motive (machine translation):
Much indicates that Kiev's real strategy is quite different – to wage a long war in the hope of internal destabilization in the Russian Federation. And here the task is to convince Western partners (including such skeptical ones as Trump) that this is not a dream, but a real calculation. Therefore, Ukraine should not be pushed to negotiate, but give the Armed Forces of Ukraine more weapons and lift restrictions on missiles.The offensive in the Kursk region, apparently, is designed to prove this to the West.
In an interview last night, the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine (and brain behind Zelenski), Andrey Yermak seemed to confirm that view (video).
Yermak currently sees no point in direct negotiations with Russia. He wants to convince Ukraine's supporters that Ukraine can win:
Ahead of the U.S. presidential election, Ukraine is working with the Democratic and Republican parties to keep them aware of the developments in Ukraine.This was stated by the Head of the Ukrainian President's Office, Andriy Yermak, who spoke in an interview with European Pravda, Ukrinform reports.
"We are working today both with people from the team of candidate Donald Trump, and – even before the nomination – with Vice President Kamala Harris, who is already a candidate from the Democratic Party. It is very important for us that both headquarters, both candidates and those around them clearly understand what is happening in Ukraine, that they clearly understand the current stage of the war and our strategy. I believe it is very important that both candidates have a plan for Ukraine's victory," he said.
The plan in Kiev is not to negotiate but to prolong the war and to convince the west to further finance it. This would have the advantage of moving billions of additional dollar from western sources into the various pockets in Kiev with Zelenski and Yermak cashing in the largest share of it.
Posted by b on August 9, 2024 at 11:15 UTC | Permalink
next page »The entire thing is controlled from the US base in Ramstein, Germany. Zelensky, Ermak and Podolyak is saying whatever they think can help them survive (physically) while also keeping their accumulated wealth from the west (which is actually in a pending stage and can go poof at a moments notice).
Ukraine was envisioned to be the sh#thole purposed to drag down Russia to its level. That is what they are hoping for.
It's clear the Kursk attack was planned with the help of (once again) American satellites helping to find weak spots. Having systems like Peresvets is nice, but they should start piling up a price tag for the US and its ISR. Long past due date.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 11:42 utc | 2
> The plan in Kiev is not to negotiate
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Negotiate? Their gonna need a Ouija board.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 9 2024 11:47 utc | 3
Volodymyr Zelensky told the newspaper "Le Monde" that he does not rule out holding a referendum on the future of Ukrainian territories to end the war, but "it requires the will of the Ukrainian people."Those referendums happened 2 years ago. Case closed.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2024 11:49 utc | 4
Yup prolong it until the election is over and than it can proceed with full support of the Collective Waste again.
Unfortunately for the actor who speaks his scripted lines, the wunderwaffens and the ‘zecret zunnel in the Dniper’ cunning stunt master plans are just the usual fantasy - a Hollywood trope of the last second victory from the jaws of defeat dream that one wakes up from.
Most of the diversionary attacks smack of hari kiri suicide last flights.
Same goes for the MENA gunboat muscle flexing mentality.
If they aren’t there to evacuate their ‘secret’ bases they are there for the sacrifice.
All these bases, hundreds with private contractors, the PMC’s, moved directly through the military and back - we don’t have any oversight on what our forces are doing on a day to day basis. And why many return on leave with great tans and oodles of money having been off radar and incommunicado for months. With some made up story.
That is all evidence that needs to be exterminated ! Bye bye Special Forces if it ain’t your long suffering victims who will destroy you shortly - it will be your paymasters - they can’t afford you to stay alive and testify.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 9 2024 11:58 utc | 5
ZE_Rada / TG
🧩🧩🧩Zelensky's (Britain's) proposal to PutinThe attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Kursk region of the Russian Federation + extension of the VP + Budanov's statement + Ermak's interview as a whole constitute Zelensky's (Britain's) proposal to the Kremlin.
What does it mean:
🟢This is the beginning. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are capable of carrying out similar operations in both the Belgorod and Bryansk regions;
Accordingly, in order to close the border from such attacks it is necessary either to carry out a new mobilization (with an inevitable acute shortage of labor in the economy) or to suspend any offensive in eastern Ukraine;
🟢 The LP will be extended as long as necessary.
🟢Budanov : if necessary, we will mobilize everyone up to 16 years old.
You can kill them all. The men locked up inside Ukraine, with total mobilization and lowering the age, will last for a long time.
Can you afford this?
Britain and Zelensky enjoy the proxy state advantages they have created, namely:
✅The military-industrial complex of Ukraine has been moved outside the country and is provided by NATO;
✅The economy is not important, the West will stupidly donate, social services will be cut off;
✅Bankovaya is not afraid of the severity of winter without electricity (see the previous point + they don’t care about freezing old people);
✅Effective media communications make it possible to constantly retreat in the east without causing critical sentiments and riots in society;
🟢 Ermak: there will be no new “Minsk” under Zelensky. We fight to the borders of 1991;
All this essentially means: are you ready to fight for a few more years until you kill ALL of our mob. resource, suffering losses in people and economy. Is your society ready? And we are ready!!!
Actually the proposal: 1991 borders, reparations, indemnities, EU, NATO and security guarantees!
No? We continue to fight, but under new conditions: the Armed Forces of Ukraine can already fire Highmars on the territory of the Russian Federation, they have given F-16s, etc.
You can continue to attack Ukraine, you can turn Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov into Avdeevka, you can even capture Pokrovsk and Kramatorsk after some time. Britain is happy with everything...
This is Bankova’s vision of the moment. Ukraine has finally been turned by the Office of the President into a Private Military Country - a kamikaze, the goal of which is to weaken the Russian Federation and be a feeding trough for Zelensky personally🤷♂️
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 12:03 utc | 6
NATO has invaded Russia. The pretence of a defensive alliance has been thrown to the winds, and the World can see NATO for what it is.
Acts of war constitute a declaration of war.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Aug 9 2024 12:09 utc | 7
Zelenski is not president of Ukraine anymore, but. Western norms are not recognized by this enemy
Posted by: Timothy | Aug 9 2024 12:11 utc | 8
@6,
Not surprising one bit. Maybe it's time that RU actually starts taking out some of these UKR officials. Might not end the war but it wouldn't hurt either. Ukraine again shows that it's an actual prison where everyone is dispensable.
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 12:11 utc | 9
The whole Kursk shenaningan will last what ? 3-4 weeks ? And while it last , "404 reserves" will melt like butter in the sun of those hot summer days.
Speaking about reserves, it looks like a patchwork of ex-convicts and banderites ; best military value ever ?
Anyway, another pointless waste of human lives. Won't change the initial SMO goals in the end. Might even help with the "denazification" part.
Posted by: WhyNotZoidberg | Aug 9 2024 12:11 utc | 10
The longer the delusions of the west persist, the greater and more self-destructive will be their fall at the end.
It looks like Russia is shaping up for a complete occupation of the Ukraine, and the creation of a new government there.
And the inclusion of Türkiye in NATO is looking more and more precarious. It may take another ten/fifteen years of contempt from the west, mad-dog behaviour from the nazionists (if they are still around by then), progressive movement by the Saudis towards Iran, China and Russia, and the erosion of western economic power compared with the rise of BRICS, but it is looking like they will be forced to leave eventually. That will destroy NATO, if it is still around by then, too.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 9 2024 12:11 utc | 11
> Bloomberg writer comes up with
> And it has also punctured the Kremlin’s carefully constructed image of Putin as the protector of ordinary Russians
> Instead, the war he started in Ukraine
Bloomberg is predictably delusional. Every single time they misread public sentiment in Russia, replacing it with their wishful thinking. The only effect Ukraine/West have achieved is enraged Russian public that now demands harsher actions, more war, more efficient General Staff. The only critique of Putin I can see, it that he is acting way too soft.
Russia sees that Ukraine/West started this war in 2014 (which is factually true), not Putin, but nice try Bloomberg.
Posted by: taukey | Aug 9 2024 12:12 utc | 12
Looks like the Ukrainians just took the opportunity to advance as Russia were demining the area.
Posted by: Alexander Grimsmo | Aug 9 2024 12:15 utc | 13
For too long the imperialists (Russian, European, American) have invaded, pillaged and annexed other people's lands.
Let the imperialists fight one another and the ROW will make popcorn and enjoy.
Posted by: Saag | Aug 9 2024 12:19 utc | 14
NATO has invaded Russia. The pretence of a defensive alliance has been thrown to the winds, and the World can see NATO for what it is.
Acts of war constitute a declaration of war.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Aug 9 2024 12:09 utc | 7
The myth of defensive aliance went out of the window when the FRY was bombed for 78 days, i can't understand why Russia has allowed the situation to get to this stage, yes it's a Nato attack like many others have been but there has been no retaliation against any NATO Country, i believe those F-16s will operate out of Nato bases maybe in Romania, time Russia got real and realized who and what they are up against and sent a message time to test that article five bullshit which the ciminals are hiding behind, i would start with those illegal US bases in Syria, annihilate them and i wouldn't rule out hitting air bases in places like Romania where i think some missile attacks have already come from and why hasn't shipping to Ukraine been dealt with also Ukrainian rail networks and airfields? NATO weapons can't be used if they can't get into the Country to start with, hit Western Ukraine hard.
Posted by: Englishman | Aug 9 2024 12:22 utc | 15
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 9 2024 12:11 utc | 11 "It looks like Russia is shaping up for a complete occupation of the Ukraine"
When do you estimate this will happen by? The end of 2025? End of 2026?
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 12:22 utc | 16
Posted by: taukey | Aug 9 2024 12:12 utc | 12 "Bloomberg is predictably delusional."
Is this part delusional?
"For Ukraine, it’s likely to bolster Kyiv’s argument that US and European allies shouldn’t fear Kremlin threats of escalation and that it should be allowed to take the fight to Putin in any way it sees fit to hasten an end to the war."
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 12:26 utc | 17
In Russia, a revival of the memory and growing veneration of Comrade Stalin has been observed in all sections of the population for years. And for good reason. Without Stalin, there would be no Russia today.
His methods of government may be controversial, but they were successful.
In the context of the current military operation in the Northern Military District, many Russians miss the absence of an organization comparable to Stalin's secret service SMERSCH.
The surprising and successful Ukrainian Kursk-raid will further fuel the ongoing discussion about betrayal, incompetence and corruption in the Russian army, and how to prevent it.
to comrade Stalin. Hooray.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 9 2024 12:29 utc | 18
I find the Zelenski's theory of victory rather fancy.
Russia will need a general mobilization?
The mobilization in Russia would lead to the destabilization of Russia?
The government of President Putin would fall over it?
The Ukrainian army is in good shape?
It can stay in combat for much longer?
Ukraine can wait out Russia?
I would answer each of those question with a loud "No".
Posted by b on August 9, 2024 at 11:15 UTC | Permalink
Nice to see you B, would agree and would say that Z has made "The mobilization in Russia would lead to the destabilization of Russia?" a void point with his latest caper.
Now, a point that has been missed is that a lot of reforms and improvements have taken place in the RF contract forces (particularly those operating in the SMO), but perhaps too little has been improved in the conscripted/domestic domain.
Maybe this will be the key to strengthen a push for reforms there.
Am I saying this was 5d chess and was a LIHOP? Not at all, there or in the Belgorod area something like this was likely to happen sooner or later, corrections were certainly issued but (not enough) followed in the old feuds of the military.
Navy is also another realm where proof of reform is found... lacking.
Now getting back to your full list.
Will RF need mobilization? Likely if nato drops the fig leaf.
Will that be destabilizing? In the sense of changing things? hopefully.
Could Putin's government fall? Unlikely, but the west should be praying that it wont, some idiots in the west haven't thought their cunning plan.
AFU in good shape? A famine stricken, HIV infected child, mauled by a lion is in better shape.
Can it stay in combat? No, best case scenario retreat to the Dnieper and fight as little as possible.
Wait out RF? Well they can certainly wait and RF will get to them eventually, even if it has to go to the polish border for that.
And the final question you missed; Are leaders in ucraine and the west on drugs? Undoubtedly! And it's showing.
Get well soon and take it easy, best wishes
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 12:31 utc | 19
All this essentially means: are you ready to fight for a few more years until you kill ALL of our mob. resource, suffering losses in people and economy. Is your society ready? And we are ready!!!Actually the proposal: 1991 borders, reparations, indemnities, EU, NATO and security guarantees!
No? We continue to fight, but under new conditions: the Armed Forces of Ukraine can already fire Highmars on the territory of the Russian Federation, they have given F-16s, etc.
You can continue to attack Ukraine, you can turn Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov into Avdeevka, you can even capture Pokrovsk and Kramatorsk after some time. Britain is happy with everything...
This is Bankova’s vision of the moment. Ukraine has finally been turned by the Office of the President into a Private Military Country - a kamikaze, the goal of which is to weaken the Russian Federation and be a feeding trough for Zelensky personally🤷♂️
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 12:03 utc | 6
So the only thing that Ukraine has to contribute to the 'war effort' are the bodies of its entire male population in the prime of life (a bit of a stretch as they take anyone who can walk). Then Russia will become so tired of killing them that it will concede. The West will provide endless supplies of weapons. More F16's, more everything to help Ukraine in its glorious quest. Ukraine's fearless leaders will have saved Ukraine, which will be a vast wasteland - agriculture, industry, and demographics destroyed, ready to be rebuilt by the EU. Sounds like a great plan.
Posted by: Mike R | Aug 9 2024 12:36 utc | 20
Interesting points.
I dont Ukraine is in a position to be playing the "long game" - with regard to the war.
I get the impression that Zelensky just says stuff - makes it up as it comes to him.
Also I have the impression that Ukraine is trying to make it through til after the election - Trump likes to think that he has a surprise in his back pocket and I think the surprise is that he will strongly back Ukraine because he would like to succeed where Biden failed (not to mention the Gaza issue).
I like the neocons are routing for Trump, so there is some dismay about Harris' strong performance (and the failure to select a j*w*sh running mate).
I think the suggestion that the objective was to threaten the NPP to cause Ruskies to drop the ball on other fronts is best fit - a desperate act. I think that the wanton killing of civilians supports that theory.
Posted by: jared | Aug 9 2024 12:41 utc | 21
The daily summary author at Strana suspects an only slightly different motive (machine translation):
Much indicates that Kiev's real strategy is quite different – to wage a long war in the hope of internal destabilization in the Russian Federation. And here the task is to convince Western partners (including such skeptical ones as Trump) that this is not a dream, but a real calculation. Therefore, Ukraine should not be pushed to negotiate, but give the Armed Forces of Ukraine more weapons and lift restrictions on missiles.
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That might "work" for them medium-long term, when you have retarded RU civilians that are ready to sell their country for cheap, "war bloggers" that for the sake of exclusivity and hype, write every possible garbage without thinking of the potential consequences on the masses, higher inflation/cost of living and so on.
Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 9 2024 12:44 utc | 22
A surprise box-style attack will not significantly change the course of the war.
The Belgorod Volunteer Army fiasco of some time ago is now a long way out of memory.
So I think that this story skirmishes of Kursk will not matter too by Christmas time.
In terms of "big trends" I've already moved my mind to winter.
I think one of the Important observation point of this war will be this winter's war of attrition without electricity for heating.
Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 9 2024 12:47 utc | 23
... meant to say "I think that the neocons are routing for Trump"
Also meant to say that in addition to imagining himself a great military leader, Trump plans to use the MIC to jump start the US economy - creating the best economy ever.
I feeling like Trump is losing his edge - mentally and purpose. It seems a cliche tale of person who starts with a goal and then loses track of goal and simply wants to win for the sake of winning.
Posted by: jared | Aug 9 2024 12:49 utc | 24
Posted by: Mike R | Aug 9 2024 12:36 utc | 20
It is possible this offensive had much higher expectations which seem to not be materializing. After it was clear, Podolyak, Ermak and Budanov came out of the shed and started raging how they will sacrifice the entire population.
This could be near the end game. This all just seems to confirm the theory that the population of Ukraine will continue to scatter east and west, and the nation will whither into the history books.
According to ex-Ukraine PM Azarov, Ukraine has less than 19 million people left.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 12:52 utc | 25
Regarding the need of another mobilization in Russia, even Russian youtube channel Russians with Attitude predicted not so long ago that mobilization would be needed in the spring of 2025. I have now idea, hope they are wrong.
Posted by: caleb100 | Aug 9 2024 12:54 utc | 27
Barantchik shares his reasons for the "illogical" Kursk invasion:
⚡️ The Ukrainian Armed Forces crossed another red line on August 6Surprisingly, few people talk about the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces crossed the red line. I think that's in vain.
NATO is constantly probing both our collective consciousness (RF) and the boundaries of what is permissible in the consciousness of its own citizens.
This is precisely why, constantly testing the boundaries of what is permitted, NATO leadership is forced to implement a policy: One step forward, two steps back.
Let's remember what line Macron tried to overcome, and before him, the Poles. They wanted to introduce parts of their armed forces into Ukraine in one way or another. But it didn't work. The collective consciousness of the countries did not allow this to happen. It was too dangerous a step.
And what line did NATO cross in the form of proxy-Ukrainian Armed Forces, and we did not react appropriately, a little earlier? The territory of the Russian Federation was invaded by sabotage and reconnaissance groups under the pirate flag of liberators, formed from citizens of the Russian Federation.
And what is important is that these sabotage and reconnaissance groups were not interested in military success. They were interested in crossing another "red line" and publicly politically recording this.
Let us now return to current events from the point of view of their illogicality and impracticality from a military point of view and ask ourselves the question - WHY?
Why is the Ukrainian Armed Forces doing this? What benefit is it trying to extract by losing its already limited resources in the Kursk region? After all, it is obvious to everyone that they will be knocked out pretty soon.
It seems to me that the box is not very difficult to open if we put all the red lines in a sequence - all together. After all, now, the SVO battle arena has expanded to our territory. At the same time, we did not use nuclear weapons once again.
What is now stopping the boot of a French or German pseudo-instructor from successively crossing the border of Ukraine first, and then the Russian Federation? After all, we ourselves allowed the battlefield to be expanded to the territory of the Russian Federation under talk of using American weapons.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but from my point of view, the main goal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Kursk region is precisely this: to overcome yet another red line and gradually, on a full-scale, draw NATO (initially in the form of Polish or French units) into the conflict in Ukraine. (c)
Posted by: Boo | Aug 9 2024 12:55 utc | 28
I think X promotes and incites too much hate inside and out ukraine and the collective waste in general. Did you see what I told you? Maduro bans X although temporary it can be permanent. To wit in a televised speech on Thursday, Maduro accused the tech mogul of “inciting hatred, fascism, civil war, death, [and] confrontation of Venezuelans,” as well as violating national laws.
Posted by: AI | Aug 9 2024 12:57 utc | 29
So the only thing that Ukraine has to contribute to the 'war effort' are the bodies of its entire male population
Posted by: Mike R | Aug 9 2024 12:36 Utah | 20
Females too. It's been a few months since video surfaced of Russians capturing a young,pregnant woman in fatigues on the battlefield.
Posted by: Mary | Aug 9 2024 12:58 utc | 30
According to ex-Ukraine PM Azarov, Ukraine has less than 19 million people left.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 12:52 utc | 25
UN says that 38 million crossed to the west, maybe half came back
44-19=25 take out the oblasts under RF protection (6m) and a couple of million that went to RF proper and 19 might be 17 or less, mainly elderly I would say. And that's before counting the KIA/MIA
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2024 12:59 utc | 32
Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 9 2024 12:29 utc | 18
Oh come on now... You remind me of my father was an inveterate Stalinist, 2 years in concentration camp (for communists), artillery officer in the 2nd world war, fucking the Germans in the Balaton offensive and in Austria together with the 3rd Ukrainian army under marshal Tolbukhin.
All in all, Stalin was a man of his time, hard to replicate now...
Posted by: Boo | Aug 9 2024 12:59 utc | 33
"In terms of "big trends" I've already moved my mind to winter.
I think one of the Important observation point of this war will be this winter's war of attrition without electricity for heating."
Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 9 2024 12:47 utc | 23
Agreed.
USA goal is no longer to regime change Russia (and maybe that was never the goal of the more intelligent hawks) but rather to prevent an alliance between Russia and EU, and to keep EU weak and internally divided. Thus if and when Ukraine war ends, USA will arrange another war in Eastern Europe so that both EU and Russia are forced to focus on that conflict, allowing USA to push both EU and Russia out of Mideast and Africa.
USA might have a temporary goal of making Democrats look good for Nov election, but this Kursk raid is not really effective at that, IMO, plus the deep state doesn't care that much about Harris versus Trump. Better minds in the USA deep state know that USA stands no chance against Russia in East Europe or China in East Asia, but USA can dominate in Mideast, Africa and South America, which have plenty of valuable natural resources, so these minds are ready to ditch both Ukraine and Taiwan. Trump has no objection to that line of thinking. Harris is a pushover so it doesn't matter what she thinks or wants: deep state will simply roll over her ideas.
Uber hawk talk of fighting a naval war with China is mix of bureaucrat fiefdom building plus code language for reindustrialization (tariffs on China, moving industry from Taiwan, South Korea and Japan to North America). No real military planner thinks USA can win a naval war off the Chinese coast, but these planners are aware that USA is vulnerable to blockade of sea traffic from east Asia, so reindustrialization of North America is essential.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 9 2024 13:05 utc | 35
Keep up the copium, losers. Ukraine’s special 3 day military operation is in effect.
Posted by: Rick Rubles | Aug 9 2024 13:16 utc | 36
KURSK as PEARL HARBOR?
Hear me out...
* To put a bow tie on the SMO this year Russia needs to...
-- draw out AFU's best equipment & personnel
-- energize the country's support for more active measures in the war
-- provide an ironclad reason to fulfill the threat of employing asymetric warfare via arming of Iran, Yemen, etc
[Noting the critical timing of an imminent widening of conflict]
* Thus they lay a trap
-- de-mine an avenue right into Russian territory conveniently lacking in significant defensive forces
-- that avenue leads right to a tantalizing honeypot of the Kursk NPP
-- pretend to be stunned, surprised, embarrassed and unable to fully respond immediately, thereby encouraging the AFU to commit everything they have left and galvanizing the useful idiot NAFO crowd in support of going "all in"
Maskirovka?!?
They'd never admit to it of course just like US would never admit to deliberately exposing Pearl Harbor. Granted PH just got US into a long fight whereas this is Russia working on their endgame.
This gives them all the cover to justify the complete annexation of Ukraine. It also gravely complicates the US & Israeli circumstances. What happens if the Middle East erupts? Russia supplies the BRICS with all their resource needs while the "collective west" chokes on $200/barrel oil.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 9 2024 13:24 utc | 37
welt.de is of course gloating about the ongoing genocide that the "ukrainians" do against ethnic slavic people.
nazis have never forgiven that the slavs had the right to defend themself.
now chief head-propagandist and nazi-enthusiast sven felix kellerhoff, known for ignoring nazi crimes when it comes to slavic people, but always aknowledges their crimes against the jewish people, has another piece of propaganda written.
and in perfect german revanchist fashion, he hopes that his time the battle of kursk gets a different outcome.
nazis gonna nazi. they were never defeated, no matter how many hollywood movies are beeing made about brad pit "killing all the nazis".
Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 9 2024 13:24 utc | 38
"For Ukraine, it’s likely to bolster Kyiv’s argument that US and European allies shouldn’t fear Kremlin threats of escalation and that it should be allowed to take the fight to Putin in any way it sees fit to hasten an end to the war." Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 12:26 utc | 17Yup. This is what happens when you pussyfoot around with Nazis. You just embolden them. If Lvov or some other Nazi stronghold in "Ukraine" isn't reduced to smoldering ashes, this brazenness will continue. Imagine what this is doing for public support of the SMO in Russia?
Posted by: bored | Aug 9 2024 13:30 utc | 39
A very strange feature of what is
happening is the low-key
response of the MSM. The New York
Times today has a tiny paragraph about
the Kursk incursion referencing an
article on an inside page.
One might think that "NATO backed ally
invades Russia" would merit a front-page
headline.
I would have expected endless articles
about Russian incompetence,
big blow to Putin etc. etc.
Posted by: bumble | Aug 9 2024 13:31 utc | 40
So the only thing that Ukraine has to contribute to the 'war effort' are the bodies of its entire male population
Posted by: Mike R | Aug 9 2024 12:36 Utah | 20
yes. And as they are high on their national ideology, that would be nothing for them.
Russia cannot follow that.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 9 2024 13:31 utc | 41
Posted by: Ed4 | Aug 9 2024 12:22 utc | 16
The answer is:
When the Ukrainian army collapses.
Then you say: "When will that be?"
And I reply: "When they run out of men, officers or materials or the will to fight"
And so on . . .
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 9 2024 13:33 utc | 42
❗️Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost 13,925 military personnel this week – Russian Defense Ministryhttps://t.me/rtnews/68028
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2024 13:35 utc | 43
The forces trapped in those forest belts and villages cannot be easily supplied or maneuver...anywhere really. It's a suicidal gambit made by a desperate coke addict. It does however give the NAFO retard contingent, represented even here, much needed hope to pin their murderous fantasies on. I mean, these clowns are obsessed with territorial gains, even pointless ones. Call of Duty kids trained by Hollywood and video games.
Meanwhile in the actual region, those troops are getting fucking plastered. I'm sure those French and Polish soldiers wish they stayed home.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 9 2024 13:38 utc | 44
The forces trapped in those forest belts and villages cannot be easily supplied or maneuver...anywhere really. It's a suicidal gambit made by a desperate coke addict. It does however give the NAFO retard contingent, represented even here, much needed hope to pin their murderous fantasies on. I mean, these clowns are obsessed with territorial gains, even pointless ones. Call of Duty kids trained by Hollywood and video games.
Meanwhile in the actual region, those troops are getting fucking plastered. I'm sure those French and Polish soldiers wish they stayed home.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 9 2024 13:38 utc | 44
Here everyone talks about everything: how good we are, how crazy the others are, etc...
No one realizes that the coup or little coup, as you might call it, has been prepared for months without anyone having managed to communicate it to the highest commands; what troops they are, where they come from, where they were trained, where they were supplied, how they were transported there, who studied the plans, who studied the psychology of the enemy commanders. what means of communication they are equipped with, how long their reconnaissance patrols have been going back and forth without anyone finding them, how many kg of material each sulphate carries, what autonomy it has without being refilled and how it must behave in every situation... and finally remember, whether you like it or not, they too are Russians commanded by a Russian.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 9 2024 13:42 utc | 45
Our source reports that the Russian Armed Forces have received an unofficial order not to take anyone alive in the Kursk region. In fact, all the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers who are currently in the Kursk region are suicide bombers.Bankovaya is aware of this order, but continues to send Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers to attack in the Kursk direction.
The Kursk adventure of the Ukrainian Armed Forces may ultimately cost the Ukrainian army dearly.
We will add that this Kursk adventure can only be justified if it is not the main attack, but a distraction, and if in another direction, during the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, there is a large-scale territorial success.
But all sources are confident that it will be difficult for Bankovaya to maintain this pace for more than a month and a half. Then the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have a severe deficit in everything, which will lead to further failures at the front.
Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 13:43 utc | 46
"rather to prevent an alliance between Russia and EU"
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 9 2024 13:05 utc | 35
Some people are already overflowing with such desires in their words.
quote from a article.
"European NATO members need to do a better job of deterring a hypothetical Russian attack and dealing with the loss of Russian oil and gas, vice presidential candidate J.D. Vance has said.
The Republican senator from Ohio, who was picked by former US President Donald Trump as his running mate for the November election, said a potential Trump administration would demand “self-sufficiency” from the EU"
His demand for "self-sufficiency" means, in essence, that USA would not tolerate a situation where Europe restores relations with Russia and trades resources from Russia on a regular basis without any repercussions.
then...
I think Europeans would do best to ignore this kind of American bullshit.
I am frustrated that the "divide and conquer" tactic has worked so well from the Roman Empire to the present day.
Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 9 2024 13:43 utc | 47
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 9 2024 13:05 utc | 35
"reindustrialization of North America is essential."
And also, if you read Professor Hudson, reindustrialization of North America is impossible, given the financialised nature of the US economy, which will be impervious to any moves in such a direction. There is also the deliberate de-education of younger US citizens (starting from an already low baseline) to consider.
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 9 2024 13:44 utc | 48
Here is an assessment from the Bundshwehr closely mirroring my own:
German Colonel Laments: Attack on Kursk Region Is PointlessUkraine will not achieve strategic success by attacking Kursk Region. It is already clear that this operation will not even have operational significance.
This was stated on air by Bundeswehr Colonel, Senior Research Fellow at the Department of International Security Studies at the German Institute for International Affairs Wolfgang Richter on the Die Welt TV channel.
“It is surprising that the Ukrainians are carrying out such an attack that will not make a deeper operational impression. This is already evident from the scale of their forces. Secondly, they themselves are under pressure in Donetsk, they also lack personnel reserves there. It is even more surprising that they are using about a thousand people for this attack on a secondary front. But perhaps this is precisely the goal – sabotage, spreading uncertainty. Strategic initiative is a big word, it cannot be achieved, but at least it can attract attention...
This is not the first case, we have already seen this in the Kharkiv region in recent months, and Russia responded to this by creating a buffer zone near Kharkiv. Ukrainians now risk that the Russians will do something similar here," Richter said.
Zelensky's coke fueled fantasies are getting lots of his people killed. How long before noone but the stupidest or most desperate mercenaries join the UAF?
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 9 2024 13:44 utc | 49
The nazis act as if ex-Ukraine is as large as Russia and Russia is as small as ex-Ukraine! :D
Closer to the topic: many interesting ideas and views, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's a little bewildered about or (if that is too uncomplimentary (it's not in my case but probably is for many others)) at least trying to figure out what the hell is actually going on with this recent/current escapade.
Maybe the actual explanation is that the nazis figured they weren't dying fast enough and decided to jump into the frying pan? That they have a deadline to reach one way or the other?
In this world that actually sounds plausible :P
I do not believe they have any large hidden Ukrainian sources of personnel or heavy equipment. I don't even believe their backers do (there's some but it's relatively little).
"Recruitment" from those that fled will at most only work for a short while before refusal becomes violent even outside ex-Ukraine. Nobody that flees from a war want to take part in it.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 9 2024 13:45 utc | 50
galvanizing the useful idiot NAFO crowd in support of going "all in"
TJandTheBear | Aug 9 2024 13:24 utc | 37
So "all in" in Kursk is what? They increased numbers to 2k-3k and a few tanks? That's nothing, no one cares. And this is not the first party over the border. In the first one the terrorists even escaped after they killed some civilians, took some selfies and ran back. Doesn't look like a trap, looks like complete failure, that's the very best they are. Give them a week or two and the event will be erased from memory like Crocus or Crimea cluster bombs
Posted by: rk | Aug 9 2024 13:46 utc | 51
and finally remember, whether you like it or not, they too are Russians commanded by a Russian.Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 9 2024 13:42 utc | 45
That's a lot of words to...not say very much. Is that you, Zelesnky? Try to state what you mean clearly, as the salad above is meaningless, if it was meant as rebuttal I can't even tell. Those poor bastards near Kursk are getting their assholes blown out for the fantasies of a few idiots.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 9 2024 13:48 utc | 52
Thanks B! - Keeping the war going by all means seems to be a goal for all earning through it. Even by burials:
Thomas Röper translated Russian investigations into German (try Deepl for translation) about the probability of Zelensky and some of his western donors earning lots of money throughout burial businesses.
Couldn´t get the link in here, so interested may try to search for "2024/verdienen-selensky-und-grossspender-der-us-demokraten-am-bestattungen-in-der-ukraine/"
He also wrote about the Kursk terror campaign with focus on using German mrader tanks and the enraging of the Russion population concerning the resulting associations to WWII: "...das-unglaublich-gefaehrliche-spiel-des-westens-mit-dem-feuer/" (The unbelievable dangerous game of the west playing with fire")
Posted by: Blue Angel | Aug 9 2024 13:52 utc | 53
Give them a week or two and the event will be erased from memory like Crocus or Crimea cluster bombs
Posted by: rk | Aug 9 2024 13:46 utc | 51
Agreed, but IMHO this is essentially all she wrote for the AFU. They're a house of cards and they voluntarily pulled their most stable cards. Once the trap is fully closed I would not be surprised to see the AFU start to evaporate along the entire front.
Of course, NATO won't be able to do a damn thing because the US administration clowns will be entirely distracted by Israel's own attempt at self-immolation.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 9 2024 13:53 utc | 54
Alexander Grimsmo@13..... surely you are not saying the Ukie low command outsmarted the Russian high command at their own game....demine an area and get your balls kicked.....or some grift and graft, some nudge nudge, stink stink..... cause this whole SloMo has been one stinking pile of shit from the get go.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 9 2024 13:54 utc | 55
When it comes to the reasons for the Kursk operation, I think that most commenters are underestimating NATO.
The 'Globalists' (i.e. British Empire Elites) are desperate to establish their 'One World Government', based on global institutions, i.e. to re-create the British Empire as a global colonial system. Failure to do so will mean the end of 500 years of European (British) world domination, and with it the source of these Elite's wealth and power. Presently, their power is rapidly being eroded and they stand to end up controlling a relatively resource impoverished, industrially weak rump West representing less than 10% of the global population.
To get their 'One World Government' project back on track, 'Globalists' need to get Russia, then China, back under their control. This is the reason for the Ukraine war from the outset. And from the outset, there has been the underlying threat that if NATO does not prevail by conventional means, that they would escalate to a nuclear confrontation. Unfortunately, for the 'Globalists', the Pentagon has made it clear that they are not interested in a nuclear confrontation with Russia and has resisted every trap laid for it by the British to draw the U.S. into a direct confrontation with Russia.
Having failed to escalate using the U.S., the British led NATO (Ukraine) decided that the next best thing is to convert civilian nuclear assets into dirty bombs, with which to threaten and, if necessary, severely damage Russia. Remember the stories from a couple of years ago about how the 'Ukrainians' were trying to make dirty bombs in a research facility, until the Russians took it out. And remember how the Zaporozhye NPP has been central to NATO's objectives since the beginning of the war, including last summer's offensive. The objective of the Kursk offensive was nothing less than to take the Kursk NPP and turn it into a dirty bomb to use against Russia, and thus to flip the outcome of the entire war.
An advantage of using the NPPs as dirty bombs is that it can all be blamed on the Ukrainians. The British, and Americans, would say that they had nothing to do with it.
So far, it looks like NATO's goal in the Kursk operation will not be met, and the reason is that they went ahead with the operation with out a key element : air cover that was supposed to be provided by the F16s. That they went ahead without this important element means that they understand that time is running short, the end is nigh, and that they could not wait another year to get a revised plan in place.
Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 9 2024 13:54 utc | 56
In Chicago, I heard Uke propaganda on the local radio station 720AM. They said the Ukes were invading Russia, deeper everyday. The host said it gives him some hope. Fools.
Posted by: Leroy | Aug 9 2024 13:56 utc | 57
The whole Ukraine mess seemed distant and much of it felt like a psyop for either the West or Russia.
My wife's family still lives in Kiev and they report back life continues as usual. That is, until recently. Her 18-yr-old cousin just came here to live with the in-laws for a while, after leaving the country through Poland.
I wonder how many more Ukrainian diaspora took in the next generation? A significant portion of Ukrainians lived outside the nation's borders prior to 2014.
Posted by: leplouc en laplage | Aug 9 2024 13:56 utc | 58
@ Posted by: vargas | Aug 9 2024 13:31 utc | 41
> Russia cannot follow that.
Thank, God! Russia is not suicidal and plans to remain a nation after this war. Ukraine is always free to destroy itself. It's their choice.
Posted by: taukey | Aug 9 2024 13:58 utc | 59
Sorry, especially to the Russians, it should be: "...using German MARDER tanks and the enraging of the RUSSIAN population..."
Posted by: Blue Angel | Aug 9 2024 14:01 utc | 60
and finally remember, whether you like it or not, they too are Russians commanded by a Russian.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 9 2024 13:42 utc | 45
That's a lot of words to...not say very much. Is that you, Zelesnky? Try to state what you mean clearly, as the salad above is meaningless, if it was meant as rebuttal I can't even tell. Those poor bastards near Kursk are getting their assholes blown out for the fantasies of a few idiots.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 9 2024 13:48 utc | 52
Already seen 80 years ago at my house: Civil war fomented by the enemy.
SORRY
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 9 2024 14:01 utc | 61
Translated From “The Jonas Blog” 09-Aug-24 (Ed note: Jonas is a neutral military blogger based in Moldova):
August 9, 2024 9:53 am
The SMO is now a War.
The final legal barriers (both domestic and international) preventing Russia from using its full military might, including Strategic Forces, were removed the moment Ukraine invaded Russia with military force.
The gunning down of civillians, burning down of homes and churches – including shelling a Monestary, and the occupation of actual UN recognised Russian Soverign territory by Ukraine using NATO supplied weapons and equipment plus ISR (and US ISR guided HIMARS) consolodates, underlines the legal authority for Russia to officially go all in and officially upgrade the so called “Special Military Operation” to “War”.
There is more than enough evidence to now clearly prove in even a corrupt western Court of Law that Ukraine is formally backed by a larger and much more powerful force called NATO.
Therefore at the very least “NATO backed forces” can be legally shown to have invaded Russia and to have committed War Crimes.
It gets worse –
Last night a column of Russian trucks and armoured vehicles advancing to meet the NATO backed Ukrainian invasion force was attacked and destroyed by NATO missiles and weapons systems, including US guided HIMARS missiles using cluster munition warheads inside Russia.
The Russians clearly never anticipated US guided Tactical missile stikes deep into Russia against its military forces and paid the price for travelling in long columns – 100’s of Russian troops killed and wounded and columns of armour destroyed in what is arguably “the” most serious attack inside Russia yet using NATO weapons and ISR.
This alone gives Russia the right to respond in the Nuclear Sphere against at least UKraine, and to respond in the Space Theatre by using Anti-Sat lasers and Anti-Sat missiles to blind NATO ISR over the battle-space.
Both Putin and Medvedev are fully qualified Lawyers.
They both know what has just happened.
They now know that both Generals and Politicians (and many pundits and activists too) will be calling for Russia to now use their Legal right to use all means necessary to protect Russia.
It is possible that NATO know this too, and as they have been slowly dismantaling Legal barriers in Russia for some time, including targeting the Russian Strategic Anti-balistic-Missile radar stations and the Russian Strategic (nuclear) airbases, without Russia invoking their Legal Rights to respond at a Strategic level, this invasion by NATO backed Ukraine, using NATO weapons, and NATO ISR, may be a deliberate attempt by NATO to provoke Russia into going “all in” in Ukraine.
At time of writing, Ukraine is still advancing into Russia. The defending Russian troops have underestimated and not understood that this is a new style of attack using Russian-Style small unit assaults backed by tactical missiles and artillary.
Currently Ukraine is destroying columns of Russian reinforcements, with such serious political ramifications in Russia that Russin media is restricting reporting, and even Russian backed Telegram channels are downplaying this.
This attack / invasion is not Tactical – it is a Strategic assault that continues to be a threat the KUrst nuclear power station, just a few miles the last skirmish.
This is a much bigger deal than most Analysts realise.
This invasion of Russia by NATO backed forces could be the tipping point.
We need to watch carefully what the Lawyers Putin and Medvedev decide, as they know, as now we know, that there is no longer any legal barrier for the use of Russian Strategic Forces against Ukraine / NATO.
Posted by: From Moldova Blogger | Aug 9 2024 14:04 utc | 62
Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 9 2024 13:54 utc | 56
" I think that most commenters are underestimating NATO."
It is very difficult to under-estimate NATO, and I don't think anyone here (apart from the trolls) is doing so. The rest of your post is just very imaginative. Well done!
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 9 2024 14:06 utc | 63
Posted by: From Moldova Blogger | Aug 9 2024 14:04 utc | 62
I see imagination is not confined to dh-mtl. Heartening!
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 9 2024 14:10 utc | 64
And btw concerning stockpiles notice how the stuff that was and is being sent to "Israel" is first and foremost bombs for aircraft that until now was completely useless for ex-Ukraine (and likely still is considering Russian capabilities).
And since neither ex-Ukraine nor "Israel" needs a lot of naval stuff China should keep on being vigilant and ready to turn all US naval assets into truly sunk costs! (Release the cargo containers!) :)
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 9 2024 14:12 utc | 65
Zelensky and his band of robbers know what awaits them when the war ends. So they are at least trying to buy time with the blood of the forcibly recruits; and the gullibility and corruption of mainly the European Union. I think Russia is happy to oblige them.
It's obvious that Russia is not at war with Ukraine but with the collective West. And if the West is dissipated in Ukraine all the better. Some members of the Russian parliament have started to talk about the people in Odessa wanting to be liberated. Make your own guess.
Posted by: Steve | Aug 9 2024 14:13 utc | 66
I think that most commenters are underestimating NATO.
Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 9 2024 13:54 utc | 56
I'll never underestimate NATO stupidity.
Drawing Russia (and ultimately China & NK) into a nuclear conflict is suicidal. They're much better equipped and prepared all the way around.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 9 2024 14:14 utc | 68
This attack / invasion is not Tactical – it is a Strategic assault that continues to be a threat the KUrst nuclear power station, just a few miles the last skirmish.
This is a much bigger deal than most Analysts realise.
This invasion of Russia by NATO backed forces could be the tipping point.
We need to watch carefully what the Lawyers Putin and Medvedev decide, as they know, as now we know, that there is no longer any legal barrier for the use of Russian Strategic Forces against Ukraine / NATO.
Posted by: From Moldova Blogger | Aug 9 2024 14:04 utc | 62
And so Russia will take off its gloves. Too late or too early? I think NATO satellites should monitor the Caspian. Big and strange shipments in transit to Iran.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 9 2024 14:18 utc | 69
To me, Putin is doing exactly what he promised to do.
Demilitarizing and denazifying Ukraine.
Very very successfully.
It is truly remarkable.
Posted by: g wiltek | Aug 9 2024 14:19 utc | 70
I enjoyed reading these.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-8824-day-three-of-kursk-attack
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/invasion-kiev-performs-reverse-smo
Posted by: ReinhardVonSiegfried | Aug 9 2024 14:19 utc | 71
Note that in the reasoning attributed to Zelenski EUrope is a passive player that remains stable and pays the bill.
But the combination of migration, desindustrialisation, and the cost of financing the war in Ukraine are taking their toll, and funds are limited. Yes, it is possible to continue paying Ukraine, but the money will have to come from somewhere: agricultural policy, energy policy, or monetary policy. Less farming subsidy, less alternative energy projects, or more money printing.
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 9 2024 14:22 utc | 72
I think time is on the side of neither Ukraine, nor Russia. Elongating the war aids --fill in blank--
Posted by: Call it what u will | Aug 9 2024 14:26 utc | 73
Posted by: From Moldova Blogger | Aug 9 2024 14:04 utc | 62
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Dont worry, the fighting nazi ukies continue learning the hard way until the 'last ukrainian'
Posted by: AI | Aug 9 2024 14:34 utc | 74
In the past, after a stupid ukie stunt that kills russian civilians, it has taken a few days for RUAF to put together a devastating missile strike. I'd guess in the next couple of days the Rada will evaporate along with the remaining power distribution/generating grid.
The Ukies fucked up. That was what the look on Putin's face said.
Posted by: comrade simba | Aug 9 2024 14:34 utc | 75
On Sudzha.At no point in the offensive since August 6 did the enemy fully control Sudzha.
The city was operationally surrounded by midday on August 7, due to the fact that mobile enemy groups that had slipped past the city began firing at cars on the highway, establishing local fire control over the roads, which was clearly visible in videos from civilians trying to enter or leave Sudzha.
Again, on August 7 there were already videos of objective control from drones confirming the presence of the enemy in Goncharovka (from where footage of Ukrainian Nazis looting later appeared) and in the western part of Sudzha. Objective facts confirming the complete capture of Sudzha never appeared.
After the entry of the "Aida" group and other units of the Russian Armed Forces (which are still working there), Sudzha is completely uncontrolled by anyone, there are some floating zones of control due to the limited forces in this area on both sides. In the city itself, meanwhile, since August 6, the presence of our military has remained, who for one reason or another did not withdraw from the city until the appearance of enemy mobile groups in the area of the roads leaving the city.Today, the situation in the Sudzha area remains difficult, as in the city itself. Our specialists are working, this is not an easy job, but there are already successes, the enemy continues to suffer painful losses in the Sudzha area. It is necessary to intensify the destruction of identified enemy targets, reducing the time from receiving target designation to the strike by the Aerospace Forces or UAV operators.
BorisRohzin
https://t.me/geromanat/31257
Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 14:36 utc | 76
Those referendums happened 2 years ago. Case closed.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2024 11:49 utc | 4
There are repeated referendums. Even in Norway (Ireland and Denmark too).
The Elite doesn't care about "Vox populi, vox dei". They consider us sheep. Sheeple wasn't coined without reason.
Posted by: Grey Cloud | Aug 9 2024 14:42 utc | 77
The odds of the cabal running the U.S. empire defeating Russia using Ukraine is very near zero. As Russia grows stronger, and Ukraine continues to be systematically destroyed, those with eyes to see are witnessing the early final stages of the collapse of the evil empire of death, deceit, and delusions.
Posted by: Robert | Aug 9 2024 14:43 utc | 78
Moldova Blogger ( Aug 9 2024 14:04 utc | 62 ):
He is right about some things.
However... (the fancy version of "But...").
I hope the person you quote and whoever shares his views all realize that if they are entirely right and if Russia decides to respond with nuclear weapons then it is a situation where it would be both pointless and suicidal for Russia to use tactical nuclear weapons against ex-Ukraine, and that instead —if they consider it necessary— they would use strategic nuclear weapons against those backers of the nazis that themselves have strategic nuclear weapons (the US, the UK, and France) and those places in NATO that store nuclear weapons.
Because using a tactical nuke against ex-Ukraine or right at their own border or even within what is now legally Russia in their (and my) view obviously isn't a sane proposition. Are they supposed to be striking the front with their own people? There's nothing else of interest and nothing at all in ex-Ukraine that requires any kind of nuke. In addition a tactical nuke risks triggering nuclear responses from the US, the UK, France, and perhaps also various "nuclear-sharing" NATO members.
If (a very big if) you are right then we are at the start of a global nuclear war, 12 o'clock sharp no seconds remaining.
Somewhat more likely is if the nazis are extremely successful, are pouring across the border in large numbers (doesn't seem to be happening, only a few thousands), and reach for example the NPP and blowing that up, if all of that then that could make the Russians feel that enough is enough and decide to launch a nuclear attack at the root of evil (on the US etc. but still not against ex-Ukraine).
But it doesn't seem like that is the case and thank God/everything good for that.
[And also: it's raining today, so no for that reason too :) "Just because"]
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 9 2024 14:52 utc | 79
yet another PR stunt.
Of course it shows that Russian military headquarters were dumb to not consider this option seriously, but then the fast evacuation of civilians and the fact that Ukres have been shooting heavily and as always civilian targets, and also something iconic a monastery, tells how well this is Anglo-Merican typical terrorism actions. This offensive is of course a NATO plan.
At the same time, beingg evacuated and already smashed by Ukres, the area can then easily be more smashed like hell by FAB and whatnot, so flesh and blood of Ukres mixes finely and thoroughly with soil.
The idea that this could put Putin bad among Russian public is delusional... it could yes but because a big proportion of Russians want to see some of Ukraine, ie. Galicia, annihilated. Make a Gaza in Lwow, Ivano-Frankovsk, wipe if entirely.
Posted by: Timur | Aug 9 2024 14:52 utc | 80
I would be suspicious that the Kursk incursion is the result of Netanyahu’s efforts to cause as much chaos as possible for all his present and potential adversaries.
Is he attacking Russia by proxy for providing aid to Iran?
There are Plenty of zionist fellow travellers in the Ukraine Government, and there are numerous incentives and threats Israel can use to influence events.
Netanyahu would consider it some kind of victory if he succeeded in destroying all of humanity; he is mad and will cause huge and global catastrophe unless he is stopped.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Aug 9 2024 14:58 utc | 81
… Ukraine has finally been turned by the Office of the President into a Private Military Country - a kamikaze, the goal of which is to weaken the Russian Federation and be a feeding trough for Zelensky personally🤷♂️
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 12:03 utc | 6
This reminds me of the following link provided in a recent thread:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necropolitics
I believe the massacre of Ukrainians to be a primary goal of Zelensky’s sponsors, not a side effect of their mobilisation as such.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 15:08 utc | 83
"I think time is on the side of neither Ukraine, nor Russia. Elongating the war aids --fill in blank--"
Posted by: Call it what u will | Aug 9 2024 14:26 utc | 73
In my opinion time is on Russia's side.
Only time will tell.
Thanks for the posting b. You have the bar firing on all cylinders it looks to me.
The crowd has gotten a bit rowdy but I think it is a sign of the times.
I smiled as I skimmed through the comments for this thread and noticed we have the nuke firsters back making their case and trying to project it on Russia where it won't stick.
I haven't read any commenters suggesting that the incursion will force Russia to take its eye off the Occupied Palestine situation but I expect pressure from any direction is part of the strategy now.
Ukraine is losing 2K per day and have been at that rate for some time. Add the loss from this incursion by the time it is over and it seems quite the lost cause.
Yes, there is more demilitarization happening and losses on the Russian side as part of that, sad to see....but better to get rid of that ordinance and such now so that it is not laying around for folks to cause problems with in the future.
I wonder if Z has a group of Hollywood producers assigned to manage the Ukraine "Wag The Dog" myth going forward?
I continue to posit that the West is not in control of geopolitical event timing and that Ukraine will go down before November.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2024 15:12 utc | 85
@ Posted by: Rick Rubles | Aug 9 2024 13:16 utc | 36
> 3 day military operation
That 3 day thing have long before a marker for troll or deeply delusional individual. Idk what's worse.
Posted by: taukey | Aug 9 2024 15:14 utc | 86
There is a lot of talk now of “buffer zones” but not what is specifically intended.
Looked at in a very straight forward way, it should be possible, at minimal expense, to clear areas of natural cover adjacent to the Russian border by firing incendiary rockets into any problem areas, with appropriate wind conditions the burns can be directed away from Russian territory.
Backed up by unmanned surveillance patrols and heavy fire support, manned incursions should become impossible, if for no other reason that it would be impossible for manned units to approach within many tens of km without being easily targeted.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 15:14 utc | 87
"..This is a much bigger deal than most Analysts realise.
This invasion of Russia by NATO backed forces could be the tipping point.
We need to watch carefully what the Lawyers Putin and Medvedev decide, as they know, as now we know, that there is no longer any legal barrier for the use of Russian Strategic Forces against Ukraine / NATO.
Posted by: From Moldova Blogger | Aug 9 2024 14:04 utc | 62
A well thought out idea-you changed my mind on this offensive-I was mystified why the MSM was high fiving over this attack into Russia but with your idea this makes sense-they want to appear they didn't know what was happening.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 15:14 utc | 87
>it should be possible, at minimal expense, to clear areas of natural cover adjacent to the Russian border by firing incendiary rockets into any problem areas
Should also be possible to set existing forested problem areas on fire, now that it is summer dry season. Easier than sending infantry into those forested problem areas to locate and liquidate the problems.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 9 2024 15:25 utc | 89
‼️🇷🇺🏴☠️Gazprom: "Events in the Sudzha area led to a sharp increase in prices for both natural gas and LNG. Who benefits from this?"▪️"Events in the Sudzha area led to a sharp increase in prices for both natural gas and LNG. The annual peak of exchange prices was recorded on August 9. And it's only summer. The question arises: who benefits from this?
▪️Also, a significant factor may be the planned scheduled maintenance work at facilities in the Norwegian gas industry. According to analysts, it is possible that these works may be delayed, as happened last year. Analysts also believe that the upward trend in gas prices will continue," said Gazprom official representative S. Kupriyanov.
https://t.me/geromanat/31261
Posted by: Down South | Aug 9 2024 15:30 utc | 90
Ukraine Weekly Update, 9th August 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-44e
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 9 2024 15:30 utc | 91
thanks b... nice to see you back...
many good posts from others in the first part...
@ dh-mtl | Aug 9 2024 13:54 utc | 56
yes, i think you are in the ballpark with all of that.. thanks for your commentary... this whole war is an insane exercise, not to mention the many innocent people lost, while the demented politicians - yermak in particular with zelensky in tow - are still standing.. they need to keep the money flow happening.. it goes back to what you say.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Aug 9 2024 15:31 utc | 92
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 9 2024 14:52 utc | 79
Capturing the kursks npp may make sense, exchange that with zaporizha one.
Blowing the npp, depending on the dominant winds, can possibly cause damage in Ukraine too and, I suspect, RF will then feel free to blow another npp in Ukraine, not zaporizha.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 9 2024 15:36 utc | 93
Continuing once again:
Continuing from last thread, the main point of mine was that Bernhard explicitly said he had no doubt they'd be kicked out of the country in a day or two. Are they out? Do they show signs of getting out within the next day?
And that was the mentality I was commenting on, not on whether Russia could defeat Nazi Ukraine.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 8 2024 20:41 utc | 133
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Source
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‼️🇷🇺🔥Russian Army Defeats Ukrainian Armed Forces Column That Broke Through Kursk Region
▪️The enemy was moving in the Malaya Loknya area - this is approximately 15-20 km from the border.
▪️The equipment stopped, where it was overtaken. The vehicles were destroyed by Ka-52M helicopters, and the infantry in the forest was finished off by artillery.
SOURCE with video
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2024 22:12 utc | 199
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Eat that Tichy!
Posted by: Ed | Aug 8 2024 23:21 utc | 220
Okay, what am I supposed to eat? Have the Russians kicked the Nazi bastards out of their land yet? I'd be overjoyed if Bernhard's ludicrous prediction of "one or two days" actually came to pass.
Alas, it hasn't. Aren't you supposed to have some for dinner soon?
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 15:39 utc | 94
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 9 2024 15:25 utc | 89
Troops are only deployed to areas of Russia and newly adopted territories so unmanned solutions, with an appropriate legal basis, seem to be long overdue.
The trouble with the latest incursion seems to be that it will be far more difficult to remedy the systematic problems of responsibility for decision making and outcomes that it will be to eliminate the Ukrainian forces involved.
It’s possible we’re going to see a lot the usual excuse mongering, that’s a habitual substitute for necessary reform, and a repeat of similar and related problems as the underlying processes get fixed bit by bit, all while Russia’s enemies often have a better understanding of what subordinates are up to that their superior do.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2024 15:53 utc | 95
Very pertinent point from Barantchik about the strategic initiative. So far, Putin has left the war to be dictated by the west, but this needs to be gradually directed into Russian dominance rather than reacting to new threats:
The invasion of the Kursk region is a NATO ground operationThe war is already in its third year, colleagues . Let's call things by their proper names. Kiev is not trying to show or prove anything to anyone. The Kiev regime is acting on orders from the US. This is a new round of escalation in the conflict.
The US (NATO) decided that it was time to move on to a ground operation on the internationally recognized territory of Russia. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces began an offensive in the Kursk region. An important detail: it is reported that there are many foreign mercenaries in the advancing ranks, and perhaps even career soldiers. They heard both Polish and French speech.
Let me remind you that Western countries first allowed long-range weapons to strike at the internationally recognized territory of Russia. We reacted weakly to this. Now they have dared to conduct a ground operation. Here is Marat Bashirov writing about this.
From a tactical and strategic point of view, the attack on the Kursk region is also an attempt to seize the initiative at the tactical level, which was in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces on all sections of the front until August 6.
I constantly write that without seizing the strategic initiative in the conflict between the West and Russia, we will not win the war. Moreover, our seizure of the tactical initiative may be temporary, since the big game is played by the enemy's rules. And the invasion of the Kursk region is a clear example of this.
I have no doubt that the enemy will be driven out of the territory of the Kursk region. But we have found ourselves in new realities. Now our entire state border is a line of combat contact. This means that we need people, we need weapons and equipment, we need engineering equipment for the defense lines.
And if we continue to remain in the US-imposed conflict scenario, then new unpleasant surprises await us.
For example, a civilian vessel under the Ukrainian flag in the Baltic Sea will launch a missile strike using the MLRS on St. Petersburg. And the West will call it Ukraine's right to self-defense. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are already using such tactics in the Black Sea to strike Crimea.
Posted by: Boo | Aug 9 2024 15:55 utc | 96
@Ed
Side note.
When you told me to "eat that," my first reaction was that "oh wow, maybe I'm wrong, let's go check." As in, yes, I was disgusted by your tone, but that paled in comparison to the hope that maybe, maybe, Russia had just gone medieval on the Fascist scum and sent their satanic assholes singing with Saint Bandera.
But, no. I got fooled by a cheerleader.
Posted by: Tichy | Aug 9 2024 15:59 utc | 97
What surprises me is that apparently the R.U. does not have Rapid Deployment Forces (RDF) for such contingencies as this raid in heavy force in the Kursk region. Air transportation of such elements into areas perhaps ten k's from the Ukie advance, with heavy electronic warfare and drone protection, could fairly rapidly establish a stop-line...particularly if the RDF units included highly portable anti-armor missilry.
A second iteration, with larger elements involved would be develop a pair of pincer moves, say about 30 k's east and west of the Ukie incursion polyp, in order to nip the entire bud perhaps 20 k's in depth BEHIND the entire Ukie drive. Strikes me as strange that the Russian general staff has not developed such contingency op-plans.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 9 2024 16:00 utc | 98
What people who are blaming 'ISR' are yet again missing is the attacking force was transported very quickly over a long distance to the border. Therefore, in the probable event ISR did pick it up, there was no more reaction time.
Today, it makes no sense to set up permanent static border front lines in low-activity areas, and this is where deep in the rear/out of sight assembled forces moved to quickly attack, is vulnerable. No country in the world could avoid this sort of attack, except, a country which is small and has a short border, but that is an irrelevant factor.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 9 2024 16:05 utc | 99
One should not underestimate the maliciousness of the "Ukrainians". It looks as if the Kursk nuclear power plant is indeed the target of the attack. It is even possible that a full-scale meltdown is to be triggered there, which would cause panic in Russia and, according to the Western media, would of course have been caused by " self-inflicted fire".
For Russia, of course, this constitutes a nuclear attack and I am sure that every major Ukrainian city now has one or more nuclear bombs assigned to it. A "smaller" solution for Russia could also be to use tactical nuclear weapons against deployment areas in Sumy. Although this entails many political and health risks, it would be the lesser evil, assuming the above case.
Posted by: xblob | Aug 9 2024 16:06 utc | 100
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Thanks b. for an excelent conclusion.
Maybe the guys in Keremlin would also realize that.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 9 2024 11:30 utc | 1