The Ukrainian operation makes little sense.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 15:03 utc | 1

It's genuinely hilarious watching the world's second strongest army lose home territory to Europe's poorest nation using nothing more than NATO hand me downs and raw grit.

Posted by: Giant Enema Crab | Aug 7 2024 15:04 utc | 2

Ukrainians entered a kessel!

Posted by: paddy | Aug 7 2024 15:04 utc | 3

@2

Thanks for the laugh. Things are pretty bleak for old men these days!

Posted by: paddy | Aug 7 2024 15:06 utc | 4

If I felt any relationship to the absolutely cowardly pro-war/death/assassination/genocide/nuclear disaster mouthpieces representing themselves as Americans, I would be very embarrassed for them.
instead, I simply want to vomit.
The epidemic of ignorance and gullibility that has swept this country is the one true victory our fascist state can claim.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 7 2024 15:08 utc | 5

With air cover provided by their new F-16 Wunderwaffen, one expects that the bold Ukrainian salient will be at the gates of Moscow before the first snow flake falls. /sarc

Posted by: Jim H | Aug 7 2024 15:10 utc | 6

Ukraine is all out of ways to win this war. The leadership has a Fuehrer Bunker mentality and is pursuing the same losing strategy. Perhaps they still believe that the wunderwaffen magically delivered by the US/NATO will turn the tide, but other than that there is no sense trying to figure out what the Ukrainians thought they could achieve with this or any other maneuver other than staying in the game a little longer and hoping for a miracle.

Posted by: Honzo | Aug 7 2024 15:15 utc | 7

Even pro-Ukrainian commentators are aghast about this obvious waste of men and resources:

Tatarigami_UA @Tatarigami_UA - 14:23 UTC · Aug 6, 2024

The situation in the Pokrovsk direction is critical, with defenses in several areas collapsed and yet to stabilize, largely due to a shortage of personnel. Diverting nearly a brigade to launch an assault on Kursk Oblast, which lacks strategic sense, borders on mental disability.

Well, General Budanov, the head of the Ukrainian military intelligence and reportedly responsible for this operation, is known to be a fool.

Posted by b on August 7, 2024 at 14:52 UTC | Permalink

Nearly a brigade? I thought the number was a magnitude lower (even for a lower limit brigade). 300, not 3000.

As for a reverse karkhiv, I mentioned that it might not make a lot of sense meat-wise, but also read that plenty of iskanders were used, maybe iskanders the AFU fears could sanitize potential f-16 bases.

Now let us think that budanov may be less of a fool but more of a joker. What tactics of deceit can be at play'

As I mentioned in the other thread, if kiev is rebelling (any news on that?) then end of october (or at a limit beyond normal end of february) surrendder should be at hand. What does that add to the questions?

Welcome back B, We miss you (less and less because, gods be praised, you're back)

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 15:17 utc | 8

@ Honzo | Aug 7 2024 15:15 utc | 7

Instead of "hoping for a miracle" perhaps it's just "keeping the grift going".

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 7 2024 15:18 utc | 9

Russia's immense scale now is to pre-empt any thoughts of Nato getting directly involved.
It is kind of funny to think of 2024 Ukraine trying to do what Nato daren't.

Posted by: Mickey Droy | Aug 7 2024 15:19 utc | 10

Where is Stauffenbergskyyyjj when you need him? ;o)

Posted by: Childlike Empress | Aug 7 2024 15:25 utc | 11

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 15:17 utc | 8

They had 300 in the first wave, but a brigade (or several battalions) was reported to be in total in the first and second and reserve echelons.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 15:27 utc | 12

Someone's brother was sent immediately from boot camp to the attack toward Kursk.

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1821185077671256463

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 15:35 utc | 13

Budanov's entire military career has been spent in special forces and intelligence, and he should have no training or experience in commanding a large force. Putting him in charge of an army would be like putting a PepsiCo executive in charge of the Secret Service.

Posted by: CIROC | Aug 7 2024 15:36 utc | 14

Yep, looks like the AFU swamped a small section of the RF's spread out limitanei.

It's embarrassing but this raid faces the issues of what happens when RF mobile reserve are brought in.

Before the RF had to spread them to other oblasts, now the AFU attack point is clear. They can converge forces there.

It's not like the Ukrs have much available, to try another raid on this scale elsewhere to mitigate that. At least without compromising somewhere else...

Posted by: Urban Fox | Aug 7 2024 15:43 utc | 15

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 15:17 utc | 8

They had 300 in the first wave, but a brigade (or several battalions) was reported to be in total in the first and second and reserve echelons.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 15:27 utc | 12

So the first wave was only recon in force? That might explain why those that are entrenched are taking so long.

Any news how far they did in the R200? B's map (unlike OSINT's) implies it was used and would be the logical route for a lightning drive to KNPP.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 15:46 utc | 16

Budanov is a nasty Banderite, and clearly the man to take over from Zelenski and to 'take the fight to Putin'! Oh, and with the reins of power to place another billion or so in a safe haven somewhere peaceful. Nasty is as nasty does.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 7 2024 15:48 utc | 17

It makes no sense militarily.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 15:03 utc | 1

And until now which Ukr actions made sense militarily? Unless you understand that the real reason is simple killing and destruction, another version of the Gaza method.

Posted by: rk | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 18

It looks like the objective was to take the Kursk nuclear power plant, then use it to black-mail Russia. The same as their plans to take the Zaporozhye NPI.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 19

🇺🇦🇺🇸The United States intends to request clarifications from Kiev regarding the events in Kursk Region - The White House.

Huh?

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 15:51 utc | 20

It's not like the Ukrs have much available, to try another raid on this scale elsewhere to mitigate that. At least without compromising somewhere else...

Posted by: Urban Fox | Aug 7 2024 15:43 utc | 15

They can always get some 10's of thousand from reserves.

If this was just a ploy there can be others. One way or the other we are probably 3 or 6 months away from an end to this phase. No biggie if you spend some in some hail mary plays.

Does budanov believe he can force a nato position that forces a pause where what is left is not relevant?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 15:51 utc | 21

Well, it is said that the actual objective is Zaporizhzhia NPP.

Posted by: jared | Aug 7 2024 15:52 utc | 22

thanks b... simplicius has an article up from last night if anyone missed it and wants to read it..

SITREP 8/6/24: Shaky Start of Zelensky's Risky Gambit to Deflect Disaster

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2024 15:54 utc | 23

dh-mtl | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 19

Need to wait and see how many troops they throw in. If it remains at 3000 or so, its not enough to hold a salient through to Kursk even if they did make it there. This seems more a raid for optics - perhaps try and hold some Russian towns for awhile.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 7 2024 15:55 utc | 24

Posted by: Urban Fox | Aug 7 2024 15:43 utc | 15

It was reported AFU captured a lot of empty trenches initially. Basically in cases where the attacker has a very sharp focus, the most important task of defenders would be fighting recon and fighting withdrawal to determine the disposition and movement vectors. This attack was clearly a blitzkrieg style attack, they punched through and introduced the next partial battalion to cover the breach flanks. Text book blitzkrieg.

It can cause problem for RUAF as after the expanded breach the coverable front suddenly becomes much longer, and the attacker had initial advantage to cut off some important roads, making redeployment harder or longer. It can be contained, but the question is at what point and how far they reach before that.

Apparently air units were heavily relied to blunt the AFU attacks everywhere, then they slow down, and there's more time to cover their advance vectors. Most likely RUAF has destroyed most of the vehicles, and the soldiers can be in villages, or forests to take cover at which point it changes to static. RUAF also hit deep in the Sumy area some logistics supporting this attack.

There are already a bunch of captured Ukrainians who said their main job was to make videos and films in villages. Maybe their task is to kill civilians too.

Apparently Zelensky/Nato thinks by making a mad rush, they can increase the amount of chips they have on the negotiating table. It probably doesn't work like that, as the negotiating table is suddenly further away than before, and all those potential newly gained chips are taken away, but then you lose even more chips than you had initially.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 15:55 utc | 25

Posted by: Giant Enema Crab | Aug 7 2024 15:04 utc |

No worries. We will fuck western turds like you in the ass. You like it raw, right?

Posted by: Boo | Aug 7 2024 15:57 utc | 26

urbanfox@1543

Military logic might well impel those R.U. reserve forces to not only wipe their noses on the showboat stupidity of the Ukie incursion into Russia proper; but might decide to strike while the iron is hot by advancing say, 25 kilometers into the Sumi region on a fairly broad front...and hold it.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 15:59 utc | 27

It was reported AFU captured a lot of empty trenches initially. Basically in cases where the attacker has a very sharp focus, the most important task of defenders would be fighting recon and fighting withdrawal to determine the disposition and movement vectors. This attack was clearly a blitzkrieg style attack, they punched through and introduced the next partial battalion to cover the breach flanks. Text book blitzkrieg.

It can cause problem for RUAF as after the expanded breach the coverable front suddenly becomes much longer, and the attacker had initial advantage to cut off some important roads, making redeployment harder or longer. It can be contained, but the question is at what point and how far they reach before that.

Apparently air units were heavily relied to blunt the AFU attacks everywhere, then they slow down, and there's more time to cover their advance vectors. Most likely RUAF has destroyed most of the vehicles, and the soldiers can be in villages, or forests to take cover at which point it changes to static. RUAF also hit deep in the Sumy area some logistics supporting this attack.

There are already a bunch of captured Ukrainians who said their main job was to make videos and films in villages. Maybe their task is to kill civilians too.

Apparently Zelensky/Nato thinks by making a mad rush, they can increase the amount of chips they have on the negotiating table. It probably doesn't work like that, as the negotiating table is suddenly further away than before, and all those potential newly gained chips are taken away, but then you lose even more chips than you had initially.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 15:55 utc | 25

Well, for once RF could do a couple of salients and straighten the line by Yunakivka and let this incursion boil in a cauldron.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 16:03 utc | 28

Military logic might well impel those R.U. reserve forces to not only wipe their noses on the showboat stupidity of the Ukie incursion into Russia proper; but might decide to strike while the iron is hot by advancing say, 25 kilometers into the Sumi region on a fairly broad front...and hold it.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 15:59 utc | 27

A dozen kms would be enough. 25 you'd have to take the woods...

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 16:05 utc | 29

Another suicide operation. Mechanized infantry with no air support taking on a foe with a massive air, aviation, and artillary wing. Is this some sort of ethinc cleasning of Ukraine by the NEOCONS?

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 7 2024 16:10 utc | 30

Ukrainian Nazi terrorists shot dead a 24-year-old pregnant girl in the Sudzhansky district in the KURSK region !

The militants shot the girl point-blank in front of her husband and small child. They mercilessly fired at the car in which the people were riding. The boy and his father managed to escape. At the time of her death, the girl was pregnant with her second child.

https://x.com/SMO_VZ/status/1821211059467771947

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 16:20 utc | 31

I agree with all those who say that Ukraine has already lost the war on February 22, 2022:

1. China has not only promised Russia "unlimited friendship" but even "iron friendship".
2. China was able to do this partly because it overtook the USA in terms of GDP on a PPP basis in 2015 (data from the World Bank and IMF; can be found on the internet) and a Russian victory is in China's national interest.
3) Russia has gained excellent international backing, although formally - but only formally - she is the aggressor.

However, it must also be said at this point:
1) fascists also fight to the death;
2. the process of nation-building is not yet complete on a global scale.
3) It is one of the fundamental errors of the EU not to take note of this fact and draw the appropriate conclusions.
4) The Germans in particular find this very difficult, certainly also because no other ethnic group has driven its own nation so comprehensively against the wall and perverted all the cultural and civilizational progress that was achieved with nation-building in Europe in the wake of the Great French Revolution (especially the Declaration of Human Rights). The equality of people before God (Abrahamic religions) and equality before the law (French Revolution) mutated on German soil into a Germanic-German racial nightmare combined with a fanatic will to annihalate.
5) No other people than the Ukrainian (if there is the(!) Ukrainian people at all) welcomed the Nazis as liberators and provided so many willing to help to kill the Jews.

Otto Kern
DE-37412 Herzberg-die Esperantostadt

Posted by: Otto Kern | Aug 7 2024 16:23 utc | 32

@ dh-mtl | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 19

yes, that is what simplicius seems to suggest and that this may be still developing as peter au notes..

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2024 16:23 utc | 33

Suicidal or not, Ukraine has shown the strength snd courage.
Even these recently drafted soldiers are put to fight without mercy.
This means that Ukro society would fight untill the last one and die with a smile.
There is no discontent in Ukrsine. The people living there now like it as it is.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 7 2024 16:27 utc | 34

@vargas | Aug 7 2024 16:27 utc | 34

There is no discontent in Ukrsine.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 16:30 utc | 35

Mechanized infantry with no air support taking on a foe with a massive air, aviation, and artillery
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 7 2024 16:10 utc | 30

When the foe is run by Shoigu and Gerasimov the theory is parallel to the practice t.me/intelslava/64537

Posted by: rk | Aug 7 2024 16:31 utc | 36

One reason for the incursion

🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦 Zelensky sent Ukrainian citizens "into the meat grinder in Kursk" in order to "quietly" extend the mobilization for another three months, Zakharova stated.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 16:34 utc | 37

There is no discontent in Ukrsine.

Tell that to the increasing number of partisans burning cars of the TCC
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/105398
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 16:30 utc | 35

That is still nothing. No huge demonstrations, no civil unrest, no mutinies.
I see only the Russian weakness and incompetence.
How could they get surprised in the age of drones?

Posted by: vargas | Aug 7 2024 16:34 utc | 38

@vargas
Yup. Something is very, very wrong in Russia. Ukraine is taking advantage of their sloppy war tactics and making a fool of them.

Posted by: bored | Aug 7 2024 16:35 utc | 39

What an embarrassment for Russia and Putin’s ill-conceived SMO. The SMO has had the opposite effect intended.

Russia is not safer. They are being attacked by NATO weapons. Yes, Ukraine is a not a member of NATO, they are now a super-member, thanks to Putin.

Putin has destroyed Russian credibility. Russia looks weak and incompetent as they did during their flirtation with Hitler, when Stalin bumbled into Finland. His buddy Adolph salivated when Russian forces got stuck.

How embarrassing that Ukraine launched a major incursion into Russia. Energy prices are fluctuating because it was built in that Putin was competent enough to defend his gas transit stations.

And how embarrassing for the Barfiles. You guys obsess over the seizing of small villages and snail-like gains. And now Ukraine’s offense has moved up to 15 km into Russia.

The Barflies love calling Ukraine 404, yet if this is true, Russia is also a failed state. 404 stopped their invasion cold, sunk their flagship, and now is invading Russia.

Great move by Ukraine, attacking where there is no active front. It is the move I would make. So much for attrition. Attrition is mother Russia fighting a useless war for years.

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 7 2024 16:36 utc | 40

They can always get some 10's of thousand from reserves.

If this was just a ploy there can be others. One way or the other we are probably 3 or 6 months away from an end to this phase. No biggie if you spend some in some hail mary plays.

Does budanov believe he can force a nato position that forces a pause where what is left is not relevant?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 15:51 utc | 21

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Which either means stripping real troops from elsewhere, or attempt it with raw levies.

The latter can hold a fixed position & do other simple tasks. Asking them to attack is waaaay more complicated.

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It was reported AFU captured a lot of empty trenches initially. Basically in cases where the attacker has a very sharp focus, the most important task of defenders would be fighting recon and fighting withdrawal to determine the disposition and movement vectors. This attack was clearly a blitzkrieg style attack, they punched through and introduced the next partial battalion to cover the breach flanks. Text book blitzkrieg.

It can cause problem for RUAF as after the expanded breach the coverable front suddenly becomes much longer, and the attacker had initial advantage to cut off some important roads, making redeployment harder or longer. It can be contained, but the question is at what point and how far they reach before that.

Apparently air units were heavily relied to blunt the AFU attacks everywhere, then they slow down, and there's more time to cover their advance vectors. Most likely RUAF has destroyed most of the vehicles, and the soldiers can be in villages, or forests to take cover at which point it changes to static. RUAF also hit deep in the Sumy area some logistics supporting this attack.

There are already a bunch of captured Ukrainians who said their main job was to make videos and films in villages. Maybe their task is to kill civilians too.

Apparently Zelensky/Nato thinks by making a mad rush, they can increase the amount of chips they have on the negotiating table. It probably doesn't work like that, as the negotiating table is suddenly further away than before, and all those potential newly gained chips are taken away, but then you lose even more chips than you had initially.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 15:55 utc | 25

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That's another thing the AFU have no air-support and following forces in vehicles will get bombed. In ways the Russians simply won't. So the losses are unfavorable on that basis alone.

Also they haven't gone far enough to cut any roads or rail. A handful of infantry spotted lurking around an area, doesn't count as "taking" it. Which is what a lot the current "gains" amount to.

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Military logic might well impel those R.U. reserve forces to not only wipe their noses on the showboat stupidity of the Ukie incursion into Russia proper; but might decide to strike while the iron is hot by advancing say, 25 kilometers into the Sumi region on a fairly broad front...and hold it.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 7 2024 15:59 utc | 27

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Or finally cease some of the faffing around which they are guilty of. By say finally cutting off Ukrainian source of domestic power-supply, and the lines used to import power for good measure.

Take a few PR/symbolic targets in Kiev, since the Ukies want to play those games. After all why is the Rada building still standing etc?

Of course actually doing something worthwhile in Sumy would be useful too. Taking territory removes recruitable population for Z-man to press-gang. Which is an instance where taking territory *does* matter in this war.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Aug 7 2024 16:37 utc | 41

vargas | Aug 7 2024 16:34 utc | 38
bored | Aug 7 2024 16:35 utc | 39
Napoleon | Aug 7 2024 16:36 utc | 40

Oh, another "full scale" suicide incursion 😮

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 16:41 utc | 42

@ Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 16:41 utc | 42

those folks are our local 'full scale suicide incursion' at moa, lol...

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2024 16:55 utc | 43

the stupidity is truly phenomenal.

Posted by: annie | Aug 7 2024 17:03 utc | 44

Russia left the civilians with no protection. Having only border guards with small arms? Where is the Russian military? Russia didn't see the attacking coming?

Ukrainians are killing civilians and burning monasteries in Russia.

American Stryker armored personnel carrier shoots at a civilian car in Kursk region. Zeleny Shlyakh area. All passengers killed.

According to incoming media reports as a result of Ukrainian troops attack the church of the Gornal St Nicholas Monastery in the Kursk Region was burnt.

This shelling is yet another flagrant violation by Ukraine of its international obligations under the 1954 Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict.

Protection of cultural property is UNESCO 's mandate.

We call on UNESCO Director-General Ms. Audrey Azoulay to raise her voice in defence of Russia's cultural property and condemn the criminal actions of Kiev!

Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 7 2024 17:07 utc | 45

ZH has a posting up with an interesting perspective on the incursion

EU NatGas Soars As 1,000-Soldier Ukraine Raid Into Russia Captures Key Gas Facility

the quotes

There are meanwhile breaking reports the Ukrainian Armed Forces have captured the Sudzha gas measurement station, which is in the center of Sudzhinsky district, according to source RybarEU. European NatGas prices jumped on the news (to their highest since Dec 2023).
Gas is pumped there for transit to Europe.

Thousands of Russians have reportedly fled the assault, and the region is still in chaos and under constant shelling.

The incursion may have multiple intentions, short and long term. We just get to watch at this point.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 7 2024 17:08 utc | 46

Posted by: CIROC | Aug 7 2024 15:36 utc | 14
"a PepsiCo executive in charge of the Secret Service"

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this was actually the case.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 7 2024 17:20 utc | 47

psychohistorian | Aug 7 2024 17:08 utc | 46

Definitely something to watch.

Rybar has posted an article about the possible economic motives for the attack on the Kursk region.

"The collective West is trying to squeeze Russia out of the energy markets. The task is the complete disconnection of the EU from Russian gas supplies." Particularly the West is aiming at strong European leaders Fico and Orban with the partial suspensions on the Druzhba pipeline.

https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@rybar_in_english/16756

Posted by: Belle | Aug 7 2024 17:21 utc | 48

Oh, another "full scale" suicide incursion 😮

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 16:41 utc | 42

Winning battles losing SMO's. Seems to be 404's bread and butter.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 7 2024 17:21 utc | 49

Posted by: Napoleon | Aug 7 2024 16:36 utc | 40
" It is the move I would make."

Exactly. Well put. Stupidity has a very large membership. With the emphasis on 'member'

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Aug 7 2024 17:24 utc | 50

Giant enema crab-
You're a psychopath. I very much expect that the ending of you will be epically painful and absolutely hilarious.

Posted by: Robert | Aug 7 2024 17:25 utc | 51

I don't know. Shoigu's expressions, too?

Putin listening to Gerasimov about the incursion
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1821227449713062272

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Aug 7 2024 17:26 utc | 52

Ukrainian forces still advancing in Russia. Russia's laziness and underestimating the NATO-backed Ukrainian forces has led to this.

Kursk direction: fighting in Sudzha and advanced groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Korenevo

The situation in the Kursk region continues to deteriorate: in the last hour, several confirmations have been received of at least partial control of Ukrainian formations over Sudzha, as well as the advance of an advanced armored group of the enemy to the borders of Korenevo.

— Units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered the western suburbs of Sudzha. The center of the settlement itself, located in the lowlands, is in the "gray zone." Russian troops retain control over the eastern part of the city, located on a hill.

— At the same time, Ukrainian formations advanced to the south of Sudzha: in this area, the occupation of the settlements of Gornal, Guevo and Kurilovka by the Ukrainian Armed Forces is confirmed. Russian UAV operators are conducting reconnaissance of the area and issuing target designations for the destruction of identified enemy positions, while units of the ground forces, border guards and the Russian National Guard are counterattacking.

— In the northwestern sector, Ukrainian formations also expanded the zone of control. The villages of Leonidove and Lyubimovka have been occupied. At the same time, Russian troops attempted a counterattack in the direction of the nearby village of Zeleny Shlyakh, but failed to liberate the settlement.

- One of the Ukrainian armored groups of several units of equipment conducted reconnaissance in force along the Rylsk-Sudzha highway, managing to reach the outskirts of the workers' settlement of Korenevo, which is located approximately 30 km southeast of Rylsk.

At the moment, Russian troops are striking Ukrainian formations and fighting on the highway, trying to prevent the enemy from occupying the administrative center of the Korenevsky district.

- On the second day of the Ukrainian attack in the Kursk region, the situation remains difficult: the enemy's long preparation for the attack, alas, has borne fruit. Enemy engineering equipment is being sent to the parts of Russian territory occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to equip defensive fortifications.

But capturing and holding territories are two completely different tasks, so history will put everything in its place.

— Nevertheless, the media victory of the Ukrainian Armed Forces against the backdrop of large-scale failures of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donetsk People's Republic was temporary: alas, there is a video of captured Russian servicemen and evidence of successful advancement deep into Russian territory.

Posted by: MiniMo | Aug 7 2024 17:26 utc | 53

… the real reason is simple killing and destruction, another version of the Gaza method.

Posted by: rk | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 18

The “military” goals of the Ukraine conflict are to (1) squander Russian potential, (2) massacre and dispossess Ukrainians.

The ratio of Russian to Ukrainian casualties and talk of Ukrainian military defeats are misleading because Ukraine’s sponsors want Ukrainians to be killed in the process of damaging Russian interests.

The absolute number of Russian casualties is high, which is why the signup bonuses are now so generous and contracts are for the duration of the conflict, no one here should struggle to understand the significance of that for themselves, nor that the Big Picture is the sum of all the smaller pieces.

The response to these border incursions has gradually improved but how Ukrainian forces are still getting bodily into Russian territory is a mystery. The previous recent border incursion had Akhmat forces complaining at ridiculous fire support delays resulting in enemy units having to be defeated in direct combat that ought to have been blown up when they were sighted.

The new minister of defence will doubtless get to it all eventually but he’s started at least two years late. A lot of the excuse mongering here is atavistic rubbish that'd be music to the ears of Timur Ivanov and his well-wishers.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 7 2024 17:28 utc | 54

vargas | Aug 7 2024 16:34 utc | 38
bored | Aug 7 2024 16:35 utc | 39
Napoleon | Aug 7 2024 16:36 utc | 40

Oh, another "full scale" suicide incursion 😮

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2024 16:41 utc | 42

As a teenager I was looking out my window, watching a truck cross a railway crossing. The truck driver, was looking into the early morning sun rising in the east. Blind to the train, the engine hit him full force on the cab, throwing him out and onto the right-of-way. Several of us rushed to see what we could to do help. Surprisingly, the young driver appeared OK but he said nothing, just lay there breathing hard, but shallow. Slowly, but increasingly blood started to trickle out of his mouth and ears. Unbeknownst to us, this young man was dead, taking his last breaths, body, bones and organs shattered.
That is Ukraine.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 7 2024 17:29 utc | 55

I don't post here often so you may suspect me of being yet another anti-Russia sock puppet, but the regular MoA commentariat has to admit that these posters have some legitimate points that should be addressed instead of ignored or dismissed.

First, Russia has proven itself crafty with drone development and assault techniques but has shown none of the bold ingenuity the Ukrainians have displayed. That ingenuity, together with the brutal toughness and resolve of their troops, are what's kept Ukraine in the war.

Second, the Russian MOD has been a total dysfunctional soap opera. Witness the absurd Prighozin affair and the MOD procurement scandals, both of which have reshuffled some important positions in the upper ranks. It's not a good look or conducive to operational success.

Third, and finally, attrition is not some ingenious strategy planned in advance. It's the only type of war Russia can competently prosecute given the limitations in 1 and 2.

Nonetheless, Russia has some overwhelming advantages, Ukraine is indeed a corrupt mess, and so IMO Russia will probably attain most of their goals. But you have to admit, despite their huge materiel advantage, they have not been able to seize operational initiative for the last two years. That's astounded the world. Maybe the Russian military needed to pass through the crucible of Ukraine to develop into a truly modern fighting force.

I'm leaving now; no need to through me out!

Posted by: Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 17:34 utc | 56

Somewhat reminds me of Pickett's Charge in the Battle of Gettysburg.

Posted by: Eric Blair | Aug 7 2024 17:34 utc | 57

So that incursion gives Ukraine .0001% of Russian territory. Only 9223 km to Vladivostok!! At this rate Ukraine will get there in 4611 years give or take a year ... provided of course they go direct and don't get sidetracked trying to take cities like Moscow or St.petes.

Hows that for "muh attrition"?

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 7 2024 17:38 utc | 58

Mandatory evacuation is underway from 23 settlements in the Sumy region, which borders Kursk.

Air raid alerts sounded continuously for 28 hours, stated the head of the Sumy regional military administration. 6,000 people will be evacuated.

He also noted that significant air defense forces have been deployed to the region (to cover the attacking Ukrainian forces).

Ukraine isn't phucking around. It seems Russia is about to find out.

Posted by: bored | Aug 7 2024 17:38 utc | 59

How much would a call on oil and gas stocks make, if the Sudzha gas measurement station were to be destroyed or placed at risk to be destroyed?

Everything finds its source in the oil and gas industry profit motive. Thanks B..

Posted by: snake | Aug 7 2024 17:40 utc | 60

Putin has been underestiatig Ukraine during the course od SMI while remaining eager to please his western "partners".

Posted by: vargas | Aug 7 2024 17:43 utc | 61

Posted by: bored | Aug 7 2024 17:38 utc | 59

Just reverse the countries in your statement to make it a tad more accurate.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 7 2024 17:44 utc | 62

The MSM have not covered this at all from what i've seen. Even The Telegraph had no mention on their site, even on the Ukraine specific page. That's unheard of. They are usually dancing around the office every time a drone hits it's target. Presumably they haven't been given the go ahead from Military "Intellignece" to inform the plebs?

Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 7 2024 17:44 utc | 63

With the Ukrainian Neo-Nazi regime - attacking civilian areas inside the Russian border - will the RF be given a green light, to attack civilian areas inside Ukraine.

"According to Russian military estimates, up to 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been involved in the attack. The personnel broke though using dozens of heavy hardware pieces, including tanks of various types, US-made Stryker armored personnel carriers, and other armored cars and equipment.

The fighting raged through the night, continuing into Wednesday, with the Russian military conducting artillery, aerial and ballistic missile strikes on the advancing Ukrainian forces.

The incursion has been halted, with the invading force losing over 300 troops and 54 armored vehicles, including at least six tanks, the chief of the Russian General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, told President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 7 2024 17:47 utc | 64

Ze_Kartel/TG

#gossip
Office of the President and General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues to draw up reserves to the Kursk region.

In terms of gossip, Zelensky’s task is to maintain control over several settlements in Russia until the end of the month, in order to demonstrate this everywhere as a help. That is why reserves are being pulled there, and in other sectors of the front there are failures and shortages of ammunition and equipment.

...

There was gossip that Syrsky promised Zelensky to fulfill the offensive plan adopted and developed in the presidential office.

Previously, he resisted having to throw infantry into a meat grinder, but in the end he accepted the conditions and will fulfill what he will be allowed to do with Bankova.

That is why the attacks on Syrsky decreased and Zelensky even supported the commander-in-chief.
It is worth understanding that if the Ukrainian Armed Forces fail, all the dogs will be hung on Syrsky, although he is just an office puppet.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 7 2024 17:50 utc | 65

Joy Polloi

"Maybe the Russian military needed to pass through the crucible of Ukraine to develop into a truly modern fighting force."

Yep. I think that's a fair assessment. And the same applies to many other aspects of the country. For example, we've often been told that Russians had something of an inferiority complex about the West. That too is gone, as the country rises to the occasion of the new reality of a declining West and a rising East.

Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 7 2024 17:50 utc | 66

It’s all in the name of defending democracy of course...

Oh, wait a minute...

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed laws on the extension of martial law and general mobilization from August 12 for 90 days, i.e. until November 10.

This is evidenced by the data on the website of the Verkhovna Rada, Ukrainian News Agency reports.

In particular, the Verkhovna Rada's website notes that the bills on the approval of the Presidential decrees "On extending the period of martial law in Ukraine" (No. 11433) and "On extending the period of general mobilization" (No. 11434) were returned with the President's signature on August 7.

As Ukrainian News Agency earlier reported, on July 23, the Verkhovna Rada extended martial law and mobilization from August 12 for 90 days, that is, until November 10. This was the 12th parliamentary vote on these issues.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 7 2024 17:50 utc | 67

Posted by: Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 17:34 utc | 56

Notwithstanding all your valid criticisms of Russia, Uke "ingenuity" is what? Dancing to Brit and Yank dance numbers? Built solidly on a "corrupt mess" foundation. Hardly seems like the basis of a winning military strategy.
As has been stated many time here, Ukraine is but a pawn in the U.S. Neocon war against Russia and Russia is in no hurry to speed things up as Europe, D.C., and Ukraine bleed out.

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 7 2024 17:51 utc | 68

Russia does not fight with aa half of its strengrh because of some ingenious Russian plan meant to preserve the forces fir the future war with NATO.
The fact is that the Russian middle class soes not like this war. They are mainly pro liberal and their number increased in the last years.
There are a lot of them in Serbia and they do not care about Russia at all.
Most of attendents of this blog/forum are greater Russian patriots then these people.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 7 2024 17:56 utc | 69

So when can we expect Sir Kid Starver to condemn this latest outbreak of far-right thuggery against innocent civilians?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 7 2024 18:00 utc | 70

@Posted by: Milites | Aug 7 2024 17:44 utc | 62

A state of emergency has been introduced in the Kursk region

▪️The acting governor noted that the difficult operational situation remains in the border areas of the region.

Like I said, Russia is about to find out.

Posted by: bored | Aug 7 2024 18:02 utc | 71

But you have to admit, despite their huge materiel advantage, they have not been able to seize operational initiative for the last two years.

Posted by: Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 17:34 utc | 56

LMAO! Everything has been and continues to go Russia's way and they have yet to "seize the operational initiative". In that case I'd hate to see what would happen to Ukraine if they did.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 7 2024 18:03 utc | 72

Posted by: bored | Aug 7 2024 18:02 utc | 71

find out what?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 7 2024 18:08 utc | 73

Posted by: bored | Aug 7 2024 18:02 utc | 71

How helpful of you to provide sources for your quotes, just, so, you know, they can be verified.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 7 2024 18:09 utc | 74

It seems Battle of the Bulge 2.0, and like the Germans in 1944 they will lost a lot of very useful elite troops in the fight, and won't change the result.

Posted by: Dave | Aug 7 2024 18:10 utc | 75

"Uke "ingenuity" is what?"

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 7 2024 17:51 utc | 68

I was thinking of their use of underwater drones, attacks on Crimea the development of new drone techniques, and somehow keeping the element of surprise. I mean, driving 15 km into Russia is pretty surprising.

Agreed however that Ukrainian leadership has been very foolish to follow the advice of the US over the last several years. That hasn't benefited the Ukrainian people, or businesses in Europe now deprived of gas, or the many countries spending money to fund the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 18:11 utc | 76

Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 7 2024 15:49 utc | 19

It looks like the objective was to take the Kursk nuclear power plant, then use it to black-mail Russia. The same as their plans to take the Zaporozhye NPI.

That makes sense as a military operation by the losing side in this war.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 7 2024 18:15 utc | 77

@ Posted by: Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 17:34 utc | 56

> despite their huge materiel advantage, they have not been able to seize operational initiative for the last two years.

Like one retired Colonel said: "Russia's goal is to slaughter the pigs, not to capture pig farm". You're correct, attritional warfare was caused by limitations. People keep forgetting, Ukraine is a big ass country, with large population, daily supplied with weapons from around the world. I feel like, people have inadequate expectations from wars on such scale. Entire nations have emptied their weapons stocks dry to keep Ukraine in the fight. The only way Russia can deal with it is peace meal. I'm not sure what "operational initiative" you expect from a meat grinder. Russia kills 2k+ troops a day and constantly on the move. What else do you need?

> That ingenuity, together with the brutal toughness and resolve of their troops, are what's kept Ukraine in the war.

Ingenuity is a natural consequence of lacking the material: IEDs in Iraq, FPVs in Ukraine, Hamas's sugar pipe rockets. It is what always happens to poorly equipped army, not something to be praised.

> That's astounded the world.

You mean what narrative MSM constructed? Because world at large is with Russia. What's really astounding is WW2 lend-lease level of support for Ukraine from 50+ countries, 1 bln people, hundreds of bln dollars with nothing to show for it. And yet, average Russian barely even noticed the war is going on.

You mistake Russia's economy of force for weakness. My guess, you fell for sensational, all-encompassing narrative about brave, plucky Ukrainians taking on the Goliath Russia. I mean, they're plucky, but also suicidal. You don't want to fight like that. Burn bright, but short. Ukraine is literally getting spent without regard for future generations in a suicidal mad rush, aiming to inflict maximum damage on Russia. On the other hand, Russia fights with one hand, prioritizing social and economic stability above all, thinking long term. If things go the same way, at some point there won't be Ukrainians left to sing about their bravery, yet Russia will remain.

That said, I agree with the rest. Russia's MOD certainly has problems you've identified (some of which are bureaucratic in nature and inherent to any big military force).

Posted by: taukey | Aug 7 2024 18:18 utc | 78

Ukrainian Army captures gas measurement station Sudzha in Kursk region
07 Aug, 2024 Odessa Journal

On Wednesday afternoon, the Ukrainian army, which advanced into the Kursk region, succeeded in capturing the Sudzha gas measurement station, through which Russian gas is transported to Europe.

Sudzha, the last remaining gas transit point for Gazprom through Ukrainian territory, was under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces as of 13:00 Moscow time, according to the publication Rybar.

Other sources report that the city of Sudzha itself is now in operational encirclement: it is occupied by the Ministry of Defense and FSB forces. The Gazprom station is in close proximity to a checkpoint. According to reports, Ukrainian troops have advanced 3 kilometers further into the Kursk region since the start of the day, and have taken control of Obukhivka, Pokrovskoye, Tolstiy Lug, and Lyubimovka.

Through the Sudzha station, Gazprom exports approximately 40 million cubic meters of gas daily. This fuel is supplied to Austria, Slovakia, and Hungary, accounting for about half of Gazprom's exports to Europe. The remaining gas is purchased by European countries via Turkey through the "Turkish Stream" pipeline.

Witnesses report that Ukrainian forces have taken the western outskirts of Sudzha. Ukrainian troops are now operating within the city after mobilizing reserves overnight, and there is a serious possibility that Sudzha could be lost.

The next target for the advancing Ukrainian forces could be the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant, according to military correspondent Alexander Sladkov from "Russia-1." The plant, which supplies energy to 19 regions in the Central Federal District (CFD), is about 45 kilometers away from the Ukrainian troops.

The unexpected advance of the Ukrainian forces into the Kursk region caught the Russian military leadership off guard: by Wednesday morning, control was lost over 11 settlements in the region. President Vladimir Putin held an emergency meeting with government members and security chiefs, at which he accused Kyiv of "provocation" and strikes on residential buildings.

Posted by: Contrarian | Aug 7 2024 18:21 utc | 79

While all these Ukrainian guys are gallivanting around in rural Russia, who is actually doing actual important stuff like, er, repairing and maintaining Ukraine’s electrical grid?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 7 2024 18:22 utc | 80

I'm leaving now; no need to through me out!

Posted by: Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 17:34 utc | 56

I thought you were seeing yourself out. Apparently not as you posted again.

Buh bye.

Posted by: Milton | Aug 7 2024 18:25 utc | 81

Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 18:11 utc | 76

That is Nato, not Ukraine. Everything since a few months in is Nato.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 7 2024 18:25 utc | 82

I was thinking of their use of underwater drones, attacks on Crimea the development of new drone techniques, and somehow keeping the element of surprise. I mean, driving 15 km into Russia is pretty surprising.

Posted by: Joy Polloi | Aug 7 2024 18:11 utc | 76

Surprise is only positive thing when it leads to a positive result. When you use the element of surprise to launch an attack that ends in suicide you might have surprised the enemy but in the end it's just suicide.

Unless the objective of this attack was to bite the hand of the countries that are paying for their war by cutting off Russian gas to Europe it's achieved nothing.

Those naval drones aren't Ukrainian btw ... they're British and they wouldn't be able to find a Russian target without NATO ISR guiding them.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 7 2024 18:26 utc | 83

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 7 2024 15:18 utc | 9

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This is an important angle to understand. Ukraine not only launders money for American politicians, but Ukraine also launders money for politicians throughout the West.

Part of the reason the West is pushing so hard is to protect this valuable mechanism of grift, without which it would be very difficult to organize Western governments against their citizenry.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2024 18:26 utc | 84

reply to 78

It is often overlooked that national suicide is Ukraine's goal. As insane as this sounds, we need go no further than official remarks about "down to the last Ukrainian" or "to the last drop (of blood)". It's the national standard and their actions are consistent with this.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 7 2024 18:29 utc | 85

Posted by: Glasshopper | Aug 7 2024 17:44 utc | 63

Yes, I’ve just listened to a BBC Radio report that is surprisingly cagey and understated, using phrases such as “unverified Ukrainian sources”, “Russian government has said”, “no official statement from Ukrainian government”.

Very odd.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 7 2024 18:32 utc | 86

"The operation to raid the Kursk region was developed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and British intelligence services, member of the State Duma Committee on Security Shkhagoshev told RIA Novosti"

Posted by: rk | Aug 7 2024 18:34 utc | 87

People keep forgetting, Ukraine is a big ass country, with large population, daily supplied with weapons from around the world.

Entire nations have emptied their weapons stocks dry to keep Ukraine in the fight.

Posted by: taukey | Aug 7 2024 18:18 utc | 78

this is correct, and those people (and posters here) that say its "ukraine" are either complete idiots (highly likely), or willfully spreading misinformation (equally as likely) as trolls in order to pretend that "the underdog" destroys russia.

nato/us/uk/eu have invested BILLIONS into project ukraine, emptied the weapon stockpiles of dozens of countries from old soviet stocks, supplied tonnes of different types of "wunderwaffels", provide loans in the billions, supply energy and so on. its all in the open, yet you get trolling idiots like napoleon among others, who keep spewing their ignorance in an effort to provoke.

all the while supporting nazism.
congratulations eu citizens.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 7 2024 18:37 utc | 88

will the RF be given a green light, to attack civilian areas inside Ukraine.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 7 2024 17:47 utc | 64

Never, as it's important to Russia's allies and their overall diplomatic stance that they maintain some dignity and honor. Sure, there'll be isolated incidents but nothing sanctioned.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 7 2024 18:42 utc | 89

“Ukraine” should have stacked satoshis instead, their only possible “win” at this point

Posted by: EJ | Aug 7 2024 18:42 utc | 90

Vargas, you are a fucking bot. Tell your programmers you haven't passed the Turing test.

Yes, it is very clear that some clever posters are unable too... But...

Posted by: Premind | Aug 7 2024 18:42 utc | 91

“Ukraine” should have stacked satoshis instead, their only possible “win” at this point

Posted by: EJ | Aug 7 2024 18:42 utc | 90

Like the SMO, Ukraine would have bought in at the top and it's been downhill ever since.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 7 2024 18:49 utc | 92

“Ukrainians” capturing a town means rape, pillage, hostages… Also, Kursk NPP is within artillery range.

What a disaster.

But its a war. You win some, you lose some. Its not a linear progression.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 7 2024 18:50 utc | 93

“Ukrainians” capturing a town means rape, pillage, hostages… Also, Kursk NPP is within artillery range.

What a disaster.

But its a war. You win some, you lose some. Its not a linear progression.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 7 2024 18:50 utc | 94

all the while supporting nazism.
congratulations eu citizens.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 7 2024 18:37 utc | 88

Just wait... perhaps they'll jump in on the pending fiasco in the Middle East!

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 7 2024 18:51 utc | 95

"The operation to raid the Kursk region was developed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and British intelligence services, member of the State Duma Committee on Security Shkhagoshev told RIA Novosti"

Posted by: rk | Aug 7 2024 18:34 utc | 87

Figures...

MI6 has been very busy from the start and budanov has been auditioning for the 007 role for long.

Now... does anyone have serious info about how far they went on the roads (particularly R200)?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 7 2024 18:52 utc | 96

“Ukraine” should have stacked satoshis instead, their only possible “win” at this point

But won’t they need a working grid and reliable internet to do that???

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 7 2024 18:52 utc | 97

First, Russia has proven itself crafty with drone development and assault techniques but has shown none of the bold ingenuity the Ukrainians have displayed.

"The law of competitive balance" ... generally speaking in any human competition the side that has the most resources and is winning the competition keeps doing what's worked for them in the past while the side that's losing or has the least resources keeps changing tactics to gain an advantage over their opponent.

You also have to remember that this is a war between nations not a video game or a movie. The soldiers fighting this war on thye Russian side are civil servants in the employ of the Russian state. If Russian soldiers get killed or injured it's a cost to the Russian government in terms of pensions, rehab and survivor benefits. There's also the cost in training replacements as well as keeping the Russian people in favour of this war.

Second, the Russian MOD has been a total dysfunctional soap opera. Witness the absurd Prighozin affair and the MOD procurement scandals, both of which have reshuffled some important positions in the upper ranks. It's not a good look or conducive to operational success.

It's only a soap opera when the media makes it out to be a soap opera. Ukraine has had it's own clown show but it's taken seriously or gets cut from the highlight reel in western media

Third, and finally, attrition is not some ingenious strategy planned in advance. It's the only type of war Russia can competently prosecute given the limitations in 1 and 2.

For some reason we in the west always look for binary solutions to problems. You're either liberal or conservative, for us or agin' us, attrition or manuever. The Russians today are using the same strategy they use fighting the Germans in 1943 except the Germans didn't have 9 years to turn the Donbas into a fortress. You can pour a lot of concrete in 9 years.

That "active defence" posture that has been labeled as "attrition" was how the fought. They took trench line by trench line, field by field, village by village. Occasionally they would break through German lines and have a massive armoured advance but generally they beat the Germans bite by bite.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 7 2024 18:55 utc | 98

CTPAHA.UA

What is happening on the border of Kursk region?

Information about what was happening in the border area was contradictory throughout the day. In the morning, the Kursk region authorities announced that the Ukrainian troops who had attacked the Russian region in the morning had been "thrown back beyond the borders of the Russian Federation." However, later, the Russian authorities and public groups reported that fighting on the border was still ongoing. The acting governor of the Kursk region said that clashes were taking place in the Sudzhansky and Korenevsky districts. Moreover, judging by the video, they were quite intense.

Later, a number of Russian Telegram channels wrote that Ukrainian troops were in the border villages of Nikolayevo-Daryino and Darino (marked in blue on the map), from where they were trying to drive them out. And Ukrainian publics published videos, allegedly of captured Russian soldiers. 

Later in the evening, the Russian Defense Ministry announced that all Ukrainian units had been driven out of Russian territory and published a video, allegedly showing the destruction of Ukrainian equipment in the Kursk region.

A number of Russian military Telegram channels suggest that this was a case of "reconnaissance in force" and that the Ukrainian Armed Forces may try to attack the Russian border area again, but with even greater forces.

Ukraine has not officially commented on the fighting in the Kursk region. This may indicate that the situation is still far from being resolved or from any more or less acceptable result that could be made public.

Posted by: Contrarian | Aug 7 2024 18:57 utc | 99

Mali has cut all ties wit Ukraine - because it is supporting terrorist groups within the country - Ukrainian terrorists attacked a Russian Wagner Group in Mali the RWG was welcomed into Mali - the Ukrainian terrorists were not.

As of today - Niger has also cut all diplomatic ties with Ukraine as well.

Meanwhile the EU and Nato have pressed Georgia to take the side of the Neo-Nazi ran state of Ukraine in the conflict with Russia - Washington has suspended any aid that was due for Georgia - whilst the EU has suspended talks on Tbilisi’s accession to the bloc - and froze $32.5 million in payments to the Georgian Defense Ministry. The US is planning a regime change in Georgia later on this year - when elections are held in the country - the country’s pro-Western president, Salome Zourabichvili who vetoed the Foreign Agent Law - but, was overridden by the ruling Georgian Dream party - is expected to play a big party in the up and coming Georgian Colour Revolution instigated primarily by the US.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 7 2024 18:59 utc | 100