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August 29, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-206
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F-16 in Ukraine fell in an unequal battle with “mopeds”
Already the second fighter in Ukraine crashed while trying to repel an air strike.
This is stated in the official statement of the Ukrainian Air Force.
“New parts on the F-16, perhaps it was shot down, maybe even our own,” comments our vigilant reader, having studied the text.
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine also finally confirmed the crash: “Communication was lost with one of the F-16s. The plane crashed, the pilot was killed, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said in a statement. To find out the causes of the accident, a special commission of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, working in the area of the crash of the aircraft, is intended.”
Posted by: guest | Aug 29 2024 16:59 utc | 101
Posted by: canuck | Aug 29 2024 11:57 utc | 28
Whatever be the strengths of Plato, political analysis is not one of them – Philosopher kings, indeed. Although there are counterparts in the Doctors of Metaphysics in the EU.
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:02 utc | 102
Analysis of the enemy in the Kursk region.
1) All have at least a year at the front.
2) All were trained abroad.
3) All are assault units.
4) All are on new NATO equipment.
5) The foreign mercenaries here are not from the rooster legion, but from elite PMCs.
Hades
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 29 2024 17:02 utc | 103
Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 29 2024 16:14 utc | 95
>If you’re going to risk a nuclear retaliation why risk it on a tactical strike or revenge instead of a decapitation / first strike that takes out NATO’s ability to respond?
To take out NATO’s ability to respond means all the USA/British/French nuclear subs, plus the intercontinental missiles, plus bombers.
The idea of limited strike is to bring Europe to its senses. After initial strike, USA/Britain/France have a choice: (a) serious nuclear response, in which case Russian radar notices the attack with 10 minutes advance warning and so Russia launches its full arsenal against every country in the world, ending civilization; (b) limited response. If (b), then Europe will suddenly come to its senses, as if the tide went out and they suddenly noticed everyone was swimming naked. NATO collapses, USA becomes laughing stock of world because shown to have no balls, economic crisis, etc.
Note that (a) means China get nuked, so Russia can warn China about this possible (a) (b) choice before they attack NATO initially and it’s up to China to dissuade Russia from that first attack by opening a new front, which takes pressure off Russia. Anyway, the whole plan is based on the assumption (hope?) that USA/Britain/France will take option (b): survival instinct kicks in and Poland or whoever got nuked is thrown under the bus.
I am not a nuclear scare monger and certainly don’t think situation now comes close to justifying above strategy, but it’s something to think about if NATO does get those autonomous drones working before Russia has a defense against them, so that Russia’s back is against the wall.
Posted by: anonposter | Aug 29 2024 17:04 utc | 104
Russia is not doing well in the Kursk region. The Ukrainian forces are accumulating forces there. Russians are not counterattacking nor gaining ground.
Rybar : Kursk direction. Fighting in Sudzhansky and Korenevsky districts, worsening situation in Glushkovsky district Local fighting continues in several areas of Kursk region, Ukrainian formations do not stop trying to advance and are accumulating forces.
The enemy is introducing Troops of the Red Army into the territory of the Russian Federation as consolidation units, andlarge concentrations of personnel are being recorded in the adjacent territory of Sumy region . In addition, the 92nd separate separate brigade is planned to be transferred to Sudzha and the surrounding area in full force.
In Glushkovsky district, the situation remains extremely tense. Information has appeared on the Internet about cutting off Tetkino by destroying bridges, but so far there is no unambiguous confirmation of this. At the same time, we reported both the possibility of the enemy making such a move and its high probabilitytwo weeks ago.
In Korenevsky district , the enemy does not stop trying to advance in the Korenevo area , simultaneously transferring forces to the outskirts of Olgovka and to the settlement itself, where it is advancing within the boundaries of the village and in the direction of Durovka .
From time to time, information appears about attempts by the Ukrainian Armed Forces to advance in the direction of Sheptukhovka , but so far without specifics. Scattered enemy groups were previously recorded both to the west and to the east of the village, while the capture or liberation of adjacent villages was not definitely reported.
To the south, fighting is underway in the vicinity of Komarovka . The enemy attempted to attack, but was stopped, after which it rolled back to Vishnevka . The latter remains under the control of Ukrainian formations, no counterattacks by the Russian Armed Forces were reported in the area.
in the Sudzhansky district , the enemy does not reduce its activity. In the area of Leonidovka , Pokrovskoe and Lyubimovka , Ukrainian formations are accumulating assault groups with the aim of further advancement.
Fighting also continues in Borki , where the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to advance with the forces of units of the 92nd separate brigade and two battalions of the Troops Defense Forces. The enemy fears an attack from Pushkarnoye , where it has been actively conducting reconnaissance.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 29 2024 17:05 utc | 105
@aristodamos 19
Quote -“on the machinations of Perfidious Albion. There will be a price to pay. It may happen soon, it may occur later…but the evil rulers and their ilk in the Sceptred Isle will be”
High time.the intention and actions of English pirates was evident since 2014 but Mr.putin and his Foreign minister were especially respectful of English parasites’attack even in black sea.
Cowardice is impression given to Anglo pirates.
It’s not like his love for the West and his pathetic puppy-like need to finally be accepted by them is incurable. (MoA people like to forget this, but Putin has consistently been polled by a majority population – and no not just by Western organizations – for being way too bending toward the West, even BEFORE this war broke out.
Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2024 17:07 utc | 106
“In Korenevsky district , the enemy does not stop trying to advance in the Korenevo area , simultaneously transferring forces to the outskirts of Olgovka and to the settlement itself, where it is advancing within the boundaries of the village and in the direction of Durovka.”
Ukrainian forces are advancing in some parts. Russia doesn’t have any real answer for this invasion.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 29 2024 17:07 utc | 107
Why does putin so much hesitate to attack nato especially england which has been directly sinking russian war ships in black sea? His cowardness encourages england to make more and more attacks on Russia through proxi.
Putin talks too much as if english pirates are not aware of truth and once they are told truth those satanic english race will mend its evil ways!
Posted by: Dam | Aug 29 2024 17:08 utc | 108
useless Putin
2008
Mr. Putin -there is not much time left. Anglosaxon pirate race like English and Americans are spreading their evil design like wild fire on this world, 2020 is too late. Russia has to prepare for coming world war 3 imposed on it by England and run by USA. Russia must ally with China and Germany to destroy England the primary seat of evil.
———————————————————————————————————————
4th June, 2007.
President putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.
Russia must target (rather than should) the nuclear missiles with multiple war heads against all the cities, towns and big villages( including military instalations) of england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2024 17:09 utc | 109
@101
The crash Ukraine operated F-16 could have suffered an engine flame out, the engine damaged by runway debris, or just poor reliability.
Emergency restarts are not easy when your airplane becomes a lawn dart*.
Also US design ejection seats are not always effective.
*Early F-16 crashed frequently and were called lawn darts.
Posted by: paddy | Aug 29 2024 17:10 utc | 110
The plane crashed, the pilot was killed, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said in a statement.
Posted by: guest | Aug 29 2024 16:59 utc | 101
Second one down…
And most important that makes 2 out of 6(not sure if 6 or 9) certified f16 pilots that the AFU had.
At this rhythm They’d run out of pilots in a week or so (as the 0.1% guys like to extrapolate)
Ukraine might be in the market for former or current f-16 pilots with a terminal condition (or who are stupid enough to try their luck for a pretty sum for their families)
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 17:10 utc | 111
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 29 2024 13:13 utc | 51
Yes, but we are Genleman.
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:10 utc | 112
anon2020@52…..the ghost of Prigozian rides again. First guy to point finger of accusation of corruption in the RF MOD…..no one else but Priggy…..man, was he right, eh!
Fighting a war on behalf of his country all the while being stabbed in the back. Gets the Hero Of Russia award in my book…….
Cheers M
….. anyway, looks like Putin got the message and passed it down the chain of command……
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 29 2024 17:11 utc | 113
https://t.me/vysokygovorit/17112
Currently, the main danger for our reconnaissance drones is the enemy’s air defense drones. They can be quadcopters or aircraft, they can hit either by direct ramming into the propeller or by using the air blast method near the target. I would like to draw attention to another trick of the enemy.
The air defense drone does not always destroy our aerial reconnaissance aircraft, in some cases it accompanies it to the landing site, detects a point and strikes our vehicles with Hymars. The enemy has a very high decision-making speed and from the point of detecting a field with our vehicles to the strike, a few minutes pass. Now the Northerners are taking out many MLRS installations, hunting the hunter, but it is necessary to keep in mind such a military trick of the enemy and carefully monitor the sky, fortunately, interceptor drones are visible both visually and by technical means.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 29 2024 17:12 utc | 114
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 13:22 utc | 55
You sound like an astrologist.
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:15 utc | 115
Curious: is there any risk that RF can begin to wonder if drones are carrying nukes or is that out of the question?
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 17:16 utc | 116
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 29 2024 17:12 utc | 114
Let the surveilled drone land in a decoy site and let afu hit it with a himars.
They have plenty of them.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 17:18 utc | 117
@101
Fog of war? is this a different pilot than the one killed by the Russian airstrike on Sunday/Monday?
Seems that the West would like to cover that up and say that he died not due to RF competence, but due to a tragic “accident.”
Although, both scenarios are not good for Ukraine. Losing these pilots is more devastating than the aircraft.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 29 2024 17:23 utc | 118
Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 29 2024 14:15 utc | 67
I would have thought the Med is a bit too close to The Red Sea for the Yank’s comfort.
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:26 utc | 119
from the Simplicius article linked above:
Lastly, for the old salts amongst our readership, you’ll be happy to hear Russian frontline commanders report the perfect soldier is a miner or laborer worker in the ripe age group of 50-60 or so—there are no better soldiers, he says
Interesting. Not what is usually assumed, no? Still strong in body but much stronger in mind and will than a young kid with little life experience, I guess.
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 29 2024 17:27 utc | 120
The German Army Chief of Staff Lieutenant-General Alfons Mais is getting nervous. He knows that the 18-million-euro wheel-tracked SkyRanger air-defense system will blow up in the same way the 2 F-16 have so far.
Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 17:28 utc | 121
I miss Shadowbanned as he would tell it like it is. He also predicted Ukraine/NATO getting bolder and bolder and increasingly attacking Russia.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 29 2024 17:29 utc | 122
Forbes is reporting that 100 more Bradley’s and 10 more !!# APC are headed to Naziland.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/vikrammittal/2024/05/17/ukraine-is-receiving-more-m2-bradleys-and-m113s-from-the-us/
I would summarize but I wont turn off my adblocker to read that zio rag.
Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Aug 29 2024 17:31 utc | 123
You sound like an astrologist.
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:15 utc | 115
Never thought of that, but yes, 12 cycles of 135 years for a greater (there are still bigger ones) 1620 year cycle
Close enough for analysis
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 17:31 utc | 124
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 14:20 utc | 68
“to be useful they must be near enough to be sitting ducks.”
From my limited knowledge I believe the standard F-16 or F-35 on a carrier has such short range (forget what) as to be ineffective, ie the saftey zone for the carrier is way beyond the F-16/F-35 flight range.
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:32 utc | 125
Ugh. Cant type today apparently.
100 Bradley’s and 100 M113 APC deathtraps
Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Aug 29 2024 17:33 utc | 126
“Evacuating civilians from the border villages of the Glushkovsky district is becoming more and more difficult every day – shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces is intensifying, attacks are being carried out on bridges, enemy sabotage and reconnaissance groups are trying to break into populated areas, and Ukrainian drones are monitoring everything that is happening on the ground.”
Russia is just letting it happen and failing to oust the Ukrainian troops and failing to stop them at the border. Russia doesn’t have full control of its border.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 29 2024 17:33 utc | 127
@MiniMO cheering for shadowbanned
Sorry lad, you’re not getting the fancy and risky plays you so yearn for.
Slow, methodical and winning safely is all you will get.
Posted by: Roland | Aug 29 2024 17:33 utc | 128
Ugh. Cant type today apparently.
100 Bradley’s and 100 M113 APC deathtraps
Posted by: JoeDontSurf | Aug 29 2024 17:33 utc | 126
Should last a whole week in kursk 😀
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 29 2024 17:39 utc | 129
Posted by: AI | Aug 29 2024 15:25 utc | 83
Alec Guiness will lead them out (“Kill him,kill him.”)
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:42 utc | 130
Here is a solution to the Toretsk issue……..by pass the stronghold completely.
Cut it off and then let it die on the vine, no need to expend any substantial troops and armor taking the city.
Disconnect it and keep moving, do not impede your progress and momentum.
Big Mo is everything!
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Aug 29 2024 17:42 utc | 131
In the Pokrovsky direction, Selidovo is being stormed. However, the dynamics of events are very rapid (Novogrodovka was taken in 3 days), today Russian troops are already breaking through to the central areas of the city. Therefore, there is a possibility that the city will not hold out for long. Let’s simulate what might happen next.
If Selidovo is taken, the Russians will probably begin the Kurakhovo operation. In fact, it is already partially advancing. Southeast of Mikhailovka (adjacent to Selidovo), enemy troops are advancing from captured Memrik to the outskirts of Ukrainsk and Galitsinovka. The Russians tried to enter the latter, but were repelled by the Defense Forces. It is obvious that the assaults will continue, since the Russian Armed Forces intend to seize the heights in order to take under fire control the Karlovka-Kurakhovo road, along which the main supply of the Karlovka group goes.
After taking Selidovo and, accordingly, Mikhaylovka (almost all of it is under Russian control), Russian forces will move to Ukrainsk. And after taking Ukrainsk and Galitsinovka, Ukrainian units in the area of the Karlovskoye Reservoir will have to retreat in order to avoid being encircled. Ukrainian troops will be forced to retreat behind the Kurakhovskoye Reservoir to the main nodal center here – Kurakhovo. And the enemy will occupy the northern shore of this reservoir.
At the same time, the second stage of the Russian offensive here will probably be a bypass of the Kurakhovskoye Reservoir. Thus, the Russian army will enter Kurakhovo from the west. The Ukrainian army does not expect such a maneuver now and, accordingly, did not build defensive structures (probably, only hastily equipped defenses will be built). Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be forced to leave the city without serious fighting.
At the third stage, the Russian Armed Forces are apparently planning the Ugledar operation. After the fall of Kurakhovo, the city will find itself in a semi-ring and, in order to avoid being caught in a cauldron, Ukrainian units there will probably be withdrawn.
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20553
Posted by: Down South | Aug 29 2024 17:43 utc | 132
Russia is not doing well in the Kursk region. The Ukrainian forces are accumulating forces there. Russians are not counterattacking nor gaining ground.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 29 2024 17:05 utc | 105
#########
Now do Donbass.
It is funny to me to see you trying to convince yourself about Kursk. Reminds me of Julian trying to reassure himself that the SMO will continue into 2025. LOL
The Kursk incursion is going nowhere. Already they have lost a lot of men and materiel, and the Ukrainian supply lines have been decimated.
The Nazis’ problem is that instead of having superior tactics or strategy, they constantly chase staging performances for others. It was supposed to pull Russians from Donbass, then it was supposed to seize the power plant, then it was to facilitate a coup against Putin. In another week they will have invented another goal. They do that because they did not start the incursion with an achievable goal, so now they have to scramble for new explanations almost weekly.
Lack of congruence and purpose will always sabotage efforts. People don’t win by accident. They win due to resolve and focus.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2024 17:44 utc | 133
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:10 utc | 112
Gentlemen.
Posted by: horseguards | Aug 29 2024 17:54 utc | 135
Green light etc.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
Green light is decent for not interfering with your natural night vision and might be good for augmented night vision illumination, so the choice of green isn’t mysterious at all.
The use of green light might possibly indicate that there are special forces hiding close by who operate the thingamajig. They may be directing attention and/or seeing if they will provoke a reaction.
It is not laser of any kind nor pattern, just ordinary light.
Hard to judge but the source seem to be perhaps ten meters up.
It could be some sort of “night only” stealth drone/miniature dirigible/”balloon” with very quiet propulsion. There are ways of making propellers almost soundless. Considering how efficient LEDs are and how it may not need more power than for five or ten minutes of flight at a time any non-buoyant parts of the drone might not be much larger than a matchbox (compare with Black Hornet, those are not completely soundless though).
Maybe for detailed reconnaissance answering very specific tactical questions (filling in missing detail and open questions).
Despite a lot of open questions it makes sense enough to me, no “aaliunz” required 🙂
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 29 2024 17:56 utc | 136
(Sorry for not writing it better and more fluently —tired).
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 29 2024 18:02 utc | 137
@MiniMO cheering for shadowbanned
Do they send the inexperienced but enthusiastic minions from Integrity Initiative here to get them battle-hardened for Twitter trolling? Dunno. But yes, of course, Russia is losing in Kursk and it’s only a matter of hours until the Kursk NPP is overrun. After that, it’s straight to Moscow. Oh yeah. China next, right?
Some western narratives just reek of delusion and desperation. One expects more from propaganda minions.
Posted by: Tom Paine | Aug 29 2024 18:03 utc | 138
vargas @ 134
What motivates Ukro forces in Kursk so much?
$20 all you can eat sushi?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 29 2024 18:11 utc | 139
Clash of Worlds: Horde (ed: careerists & system pigs) vs. Laotians (ed: volunteers & conscientious professionals).
Recently, Roman Alekhine was slandered saying that he had become too arrogant as an assistant to Governor (of Kursk) Smirnov. They say that he is being pulled up short, put in his place, but he does not pull himself together and continues to tell the truth.
Roman politely noted that he is an assistant to the governor on a voluntary basis and if his work interferes with the governor, he will resign his powers right now.
Alekhine is now doing more for the Kursk direction than some ministries will do in years. Half of the country’s military volunteers came to Roman’s aid.
Naturally, at their own expense and at their own risk.
And here two worlds collided, which do not understand each other, because they have fundamentally different motivations. I would say that this is a clash of Entuziastov Highway (ed: Laotians) and Leninsky Komsomol Avenue (ed: Horde).
People whose only goal in life is to sit and stay in a chair will never understand people who can leave this chair at any moment, because they see no value in it. That’s how the horde fights against Laos.
ЖИВОВЗ
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 29 2024 18:21 utc | 140
#122 MiniMo- so you missesd your buddy-Shadowbanned ..did he volunteer and now fight for glorious 404 country???
#127 MiniMe- it’s about the time pack up your stuff and go help 404 country and please..take vargas & Julian with you !!!!
I’m thinking this Kursk incursion is the Russian “defeat” Zelensky needs to negotiate. Nevermind that all land East of the Dnipro river and Odessa are Russian. Putin promises to be nice to the Ukraine Orthodox Church in Crimea. Americans and don’t know how to read maps anyway. That old Ukie pluck won in the end.
Posted by: Scottindallas | Aug 29 2024 18:41 utc | 145
Maryana Bezuglaya writes that the F-16 was shot down by a Ukrainian Patriot missile: “ According to my information, the F-16 of the Ukrainian pilot Alexey “Moonfish” Mes was shot down by a Patriot anti-aircraft missile system due to a lack of coordination between units. The reports noted that he “lost control.” The event occurred during one of the most powerful air attacks by the Russians on August 26. War is war, such episodes are possible. But the culture of lies in the Ukrainian Air Force Command, as well as in other senior military headquarters, leads to the fact that the military decision-making system does not improve based on truthful, consistently collected analytics, but worsens and even collapses, as is happening in the Pokrovsk direction. And none of the generals have been punished. General Oleshchuk remains in office .”
We also do not understand why they lie. The attack was really massive, so there could have been an air defense error. “Patriot” is not without sin.
We think there is no need to explain why the image of Western technology is more important than the memory of the Ukrainian pilot.
This is hilarious from zerada telegram.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 18:42 utc | 146
Weren’t these F-16s supposed to be “game-changers”? Having said that, I’ve lost count of the number of “game-changers” already deployed…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 18:47 utc | 147
Which reminds me, where’s @Napoleon? Shouldn’t he be here to crow about the F-16s?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 18:56 utc | 148
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 18:56 utc | 148
###########
Someone posted recently that the NAFO psyop has had budgetary cuts. Napoleon may have had to get a day job.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2024 18:58 utc | 149
Re the second F16.
I think it was last year, just a few Ukie aircraft were shot down at extremely long range while flying low, with no warning of incoming missile.
Any way a drone could down an F16, the pilot has plenty of time to eject – damaged control surface or engine out. Drone strike would be little different to a bird strike. Operating well behind the lines, the drone would be surveillance only, not explosive.
More likely missile strike which killed or injured the pilot or perhaps catastrophic break up of the aircraft.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 18:59 utc | 150
well – Mini has a point ^^
but neither russia nor usa are in full control of it’s borders 😛
russia’s much longer – 2nd place on land borders and 1st overall – known weakness.
Posted by: Hodes | Aug 29 2024 19:00 utc | 151
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 18:42 utc | 146
‘I’m not saying that the S-300 I handled before is super boring…’
Posted by: tyrone_slothrop | Aug 29 2024 19:07 utc | 152
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2024 18:58 utc | 149
I could understand if someone was paying Shadowbanned, but Napoleon…
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 19:09 utc | 153
Posted by: tyrone_slothrop | Aug 29 2024 19:07 utc | 152
Note the profetic comment by Russian bot9000.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 19:12 utc | 154
I have been thinking about the drone videos from both sides where they finish off the wounded. Not nice, but not finishing off the wounded only works if both sides follow some rules on that.
I guess a military uniform has to be looked at in the same way as every other weapon. Damaged equipment can be dragged off the battlefield, repaired and put back into battle. Its only when enemy equipment, be it a uniform or tank or whatever, is destroyed or captured that it is completely out of the battle.
I was thinking about this in relation to the two F16 pilots that were destroyed along with their planes. A large number of F16s have been produced so plenty of them, but capable pilots willing to fly in Ukraine may be much scarcer so the pilot is likely the most valuable target, more so than the aircraft.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:14 utc | 155
Napoleon may have had to get a day job.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2024 18:58 utc | 149
Well, all I can do is wish him, as the saying goes, “Good Luck With That”…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 19:14 utc | 156
What motivates Ukro forces in Kursk so much?
$20 all you can eat sushi?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 29 2024 18:11 utc | 139
Hey, they are fighting for freedom, democracy, western values, liberalism, US-rule based order, just everything US billionaires love – And what could be sweeter and more honorable in this world than to die for Blackrock?
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Aug 29 2024 19:16 utc | 157
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 19:12 utc | 154
Absolutely, if it’s true what Bezuglaya posted it’s more than a pathetic first appearance of the much hyped wonder waffles…
But now we know, that Patrio systems are capable of shooting down F-16 fighters. A viable data point.
Posted by: tyrone_slothrop | Aug 29 2024 19:19 utc | 158
Posted by: paddy | Aug 29 2024 17:10 utc | 110
I don’t recall many F-16 crashes but did not research it. I would also wager that most F-16 crashes are due to pilot error.
Totally disagree about the ejection seats…those suckers work every time. They are capable of doing 0/0 highly survivable ejections, that means stopped on the ground.
If you look at an F-16 and a lawn dart you will see strong similarities. It was kind of joke between maintainers but the aircrews did not like it so much.
One last thing concerning flame-out, the F-16 has an auxiliary power unit that can be fired up within seconds which will provide electrical and hydraulic power to the jet. This means you can still fly it and glide to a hopefully safe landing site
Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 29 2024 19:21 utc | 159
Why does putin so much hesitate to attack nato especially england which has been directly sinking russian war ships in black sea? His cowardness encourages england to make more and more attacks on Russia through proxi.
Putin talks too much as if english pirates are not aware of truth and once they are told truth those satanic english race will mend its evil ways!
Posted by: Dam | Aug 29 2024 17:08 utc | 108
He doesn’t want a war with nato. Hes not an idiot. It’s a war no one wins
Posted by: Feck | Aug 29 2024 19:23 utc | 160
This means you can still fly it and glide to a hopefully safe landing site
Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 29 2024 19:21 utc | 159
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How many dead stick landings have you done?
Posted by: too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:24 utc | 161
Posted by: tyrone_slothrop | Aug 29 2024 19:19 utc | 158
It’s more probable that the f16 hit the target aka the patriot.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 19:31 utc | 162
too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:24 utc | 161
Anything that flies can glide. It could be just Ukie bullshit, but they were not young blokes/kids. Likely very experienced pilots.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:31 utc | 163
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:31 utc | 163
A f16 will glide more or less like a stone.
Maybe slightly better than f104, better known as ‘the widow maker’.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 19:33 utc | 164
What motivates Ukro forces in Kursk so much?
Posted by: vargas | Aug 29 2024 17:53 utc | 134
The knowledge that via back channels the US have warned Russia not to touch them. All part of the escalation process.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 19:38 utc | 165
Anything that flies can glide.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:31 utc | 163
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Sure. But many things cannot glide to a flare for landing.
The space shuttle could maneuver to flare because it had approach altitude to spare. The ceiling in Ukraine is much lower. Crazy low.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:39 utc | 166
Mario | Aug 29 2024 19:33 utc | 164
Depends on height and speed. The will have a better glide ratio than a whirly bird. In a heli, there is a zone known as the dead mans seat. A lot of mustering pilots would fly in that zone. High enough that a crash will most likely be fatal, not high enough when at very low speed or hover to put it into a dive and get the airspeed for auto rotation.
A fixed wing flying just above stall speed a low levels is also in that zone. Sufficient height is required to gain/maintain airspeed in case of engine out.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:40 utc | 167
I think it was last year, just a few Ukie aircraft were shot down at extremely long range while flying low, with no warning of incoming missile.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 18:59 utc | 150
I can remember Andrei Martyanov discussing that. From memory, the missile designation was R37M, with a theoretical range of 450km and high-supersonic/hypersonic capability, but it’s one of those things where there isn’t much info in the public domain.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 19:46 utc | 168
155 – In WW2 the pilot might have been more valuable than the plane, but modern military jets are much more expensive. One is shot down or crashed, and that is a loss in the millions of dollars.
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 29 2024 19:48 utc | 170
too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:39 utc | 166
So an F16 is a spaceship? But even so those particular spaceships also glided in for a landing.
On everything, glide ratio is the thing to look at. Survivability of engine out landing I guess depends primarily on what surfaces in relation to stall speed are available with that glide ratio radius.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:49 utc | 171
So the first F16 has been sorted. I hope it will be many more, soon!!
The Danes must feel like complete idiots. Mette Frederiksen has run the country like PolPot, since Covid….
Never underestimate a Marxist’s ability to fuck things up.
I hope Russia has placed Denmark on a seriously unfriendly list! They deserve that.
Posted by: g wiltek | Aug 29 2024 15:58 utc | 93
That’s an odd Marxist who supports increased US military presence in Denmark, is a giddy enthusiast for war against Russia, and is in favour of tripling military spending over the next 10 years. Genuine Marxists tend to be anti-war. Too many workers die.
There are way more fake Marxists than real ones. These Social Democrats of today are just Liberals in a hurry. They have long since abandoned their anti-war orientation.
Advice: Try to distinguish the fancy packaging from what’s inside.
Posted by: N.Hanrahan | Aug 29 2024 19:50 utc | 172
I don’t recall the commenter name who keeps asking Napoleon: where are the F16s?
But, now we know the answer: in burnt-out pieces littered over the Ukrainian steppe.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 29 2024 19:52 utc | 174
One is shot down or crashed, and that is a loss in the millions of dollars.
Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 29 2024 19:48 utc | 170
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How much do you think it costs to train a pilot?
1000 hours at $25’000/hour is $25 millions.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:52 utc | 175
Remember the overriding principle, this war was always between the White Russians and the Bolsheviks who now control the US and Ukraine.
So before they lose, they’ll deploy the Sampson Option. The attempt to capture Kursk was part of that. It has failed.
I think we could see a dirty bomb launched at Moscow from an F-16 using a Western cruise missile like the Storm Shadow, and Israel nuke Damascus if they get into further trouble.
Posted by: JackG | Aug 29 2024 19:54 utc | 176
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 19:38 utc | 165
I take it that you haven’t seen any of the many, many videos and images of destroyed Ukrainian/NATO kit littering the rural landscape of Western Russia?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 19:54 utc | 177
@93 The Danes are only f^%$3d if the US promise to send them more modern fighters (F35s) turns out to be illusory.
I mean, that would never happen, right? /s
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 29 2024 19:55 utc | 178
too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:52 utc | 175
A couple of things, perhaps in the wording you used – you have flown a bit?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:55 utc | 179
So an F16 is a spaceship?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:49 utc | 171
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The F16 is a hovercraft full of eels.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:55 utc | 180
you have flown a bit?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 19:55 utc | 179
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About 2000hrs. Mostly backcountry. Hundreds of off airport landings.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:59 utc | 181
I take it that you haven’t seen any of the many, many videos and images of destroyed Ukrainian/NATO kit littering the rural landscape of Western Russia?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 19:54 utc | 177
Certainly no one is saying they cant take out some of them – but a complete wipe out – which is what should be happening – is prohibited.
We wait the Russian reposnse to this escalation. If they do not respond, then the next escalation in the progression to Doomsday begins.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 20:02 utc | 182
too scents | Aug 29 2024 19:59 utc | 181
Thanks. I put in some time mustering in a gyrocopter, one of my mates was in cropdusters. All things that flew greatly interested me though.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 20:02 utc | 183
Russia probably downed its first F-16 today. MSM is flooded with reports of an F-16 which had a “successful mission” because it shot down “a missile” but which then “crashed” The reports make a point of asserting that the Russians didn’t shoot the plane down.
What does this tell us, given what we know about today’s media atmosphere of Orwellian doublespeak?
Easy answer: the Russians must have shot down an F-16!
Posted by: GW | Aug 29 2024 20:05 utc | 184
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 20:02 utc | 182
But there will be a complete wipe-out, just that it won’t be to the timetable set by instant gratification-seekers in the West.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 20:06 utc | 185
Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 20:02 utc | 182
The Russians seem to have a little more testosterone than the hairy doomsday fairies that sometimes litter the barroom floor lashing out in fear.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 20:07 utc | 186
All things that flew greatly interested me though.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 20:02 utc | 183
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Airplanes are neat. The airplane crowd is insufferable. Money ruins everything.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 29 2024 20:07 utc | 187
Russia is not doing well in the Kursk region. The Ukrainian forces are accumulating forces there. Russians are not counterattacking nor gaining ground.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 29 2024 17:05 utc | 105
The cost of merely maintaining status quo in Kursk direction for the AFU is transferring on average another battalion every 3 days. And mind you, they are only light infantry battalions (that means no vehicles, or artillery support). This was also implied by Dima (whatever you think of him, it has been implied by even more sources including Ukro insider channels).
They are transferring infantry to prevent Russia from making advance / maintain status quo.
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 29 2024 20:09 utc | 188
Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 20:02 utc | 182
The Russians seem to have a little more testosterone than the hairy doomsday fairies that sometimes litter the barroom floor lashing out in fear.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 20:07 utc | 186
Sure, and they will have much more extreme provocations to deal with soon. NATO/US/UK simply will not stop escalating.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 20:14 utc | 189
And so the theft begins – International Law is now what the West says it is – as it steals, to fund a Neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine.
“The EU has made its first transfer of interest earned on Russia’s frozen central bank assets to Ukraine and other states aiding Kiev, the bloc’s chief diplomat, Josep Borrell, announced on Thursday. A total of €1.4 billion ($1.5 billion) was transferred, he said.
Speaking to reporters ahead of a meeting with EU foreign ministers, Borrell called the development “good news” and said that the funds would be used for Kiev’s military needs and to finance Ukrainian.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2024 20:14 utc | 190
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 19:33 utc | 164
Au contraire, quite easy to research.examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxzJAcq1Mc
Posted by: Milites | Aug 29 2024 20:20 utc | 191
Airplanes are neat. The airplane crowd is insufferable. Money ruins everything.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 29 2024 20:07 utc | 187
Yep. For me, I preferred to be far away from assorted rules and regulations. Never flew into official airstrips.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 20:24 utc | 192
Ukrainian forces are advancing in some parts. Russia doesn’t have any real answer for this invasion.
Russia’s plan:
1. Minimize casualties.
2. Let Ukraine run around in the wooded areas of the Kursk Oblast, which has zero strategic value.
3. Continue to slaughter the Ukraine Army with drones and stand-off missiles, as well as take out their remaining armored units.
4. Concentrate on their victorious advance in the East, taking out Ukraine’s logistics’ hubs.
Posted by: JackG | Aug 29 2024 20:25 utc | 193
JackG | Aug 29 2024 20:25 utc | 193
Yes. The Brits continue to send in the best units of Ukro cannon fodder that is available. Kursk has been turned into another Deir Ezzor.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 20:31 utc | 194
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2024 20:14 utc | 190
Presumably nobody has thought about such niceties as, y’know, an audit trail…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 20:37 utc | 195
Silly me, I forgot it’s the EU and they are allergic to audits…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2024 20:40 utc | 196
Posted by: Mario | Aug 29 2024 18:42 utc | 146
Estimates for friendly fire drownings in a hypothetical Cold-War were 25% minimum. As a Rapier gunner told me, by the time you realise the air intakes stretch the full length of the fuselage, and not halfway, it’s too late. That was using an optical LOS system, with highly automated, long-range systems, that can obtain firing solutions in seconds, the crew act as a fail-safe, but that only works if the time has been spent integrating the different AD elements, not making PR videos. Flying F-16’s on CAP (Combat Air Patrol) against waves of missiles/drones without developing strict protocols with ground based AD is a good way to kill your aircraft and pilot.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 29 2024 20:48 utc | 197
Milites | Aug 29 2024 20:48 utc | 197
In recent missile strikes, recent as in Kursk, Ukros have been saying where are the air defence? Why is the air defence not working?
That it was shot down by a patriot I think is unlikely.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 29 2024 20:52 utc | 198
@146
“Maryana Bezuglaya writes that the F-16 was shot down by a Ukrainian Patriot missile.”
In upcoming months, we’ll hear many more reports of F-16’s shot down accidentally by Ukrainian Patriot missiles. Or something equally incredulous.
If not that, the F-16’s will be pulled out of the war zone. Just like the mighty Abrams tank.
Posted by: GW | Aug 29 2024 20:52 utc | 199
NATO/US/UK simply will not stop escalating.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 29 2024 20:14 utc | 189
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And?
The West is done. Like Ukraine, we will have to suffer through some time of death throes and temper tantrums.
The West was done when Boris Johnson convinced Zelensky to stop the peace process.
You’re thinking, “Wow, that was a long time ago!”
Yes, it was. That was the first and easiest offramp.
Since that time, what has NATO achieved? The sanctions supercharged the Russian economy and accelerated the global push for de-dollarization.
Ukraine has lost much of its most valuable land, and millions of citizens have fled to Europe or emigrated to Russia.
Almost weekly NATO trainers are being killed near the front lines, and NATO itself is being demilitarized.
Let’s say this carries on for 5 more years. How can the West win? By win, I mean defeat Russia and change the government away from the existing Siloviki cabal that supports and surrounds Putin. If Putin disappeared tomorrow, he would be replaced by someone less patient, less philosophical, and less cautious.
The only move the West will have as the Global South continues to coalesce around Russia, China, and Iran would be global annihilation.
Not a victory, but a flipping of the board where the West is destroyed as well.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2024 20:54 utc | 200