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August 25, 2024
Ukraine Open Thread 2024-203
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Woke and Awake
WOKE
“He [imprisioned Russian Telegram bilionaire] Pavel Durov wanted to be a global citizen who is fine living away from his homeland. He miscalculated. The enemies we now have in common see him as a Russian and therefore unpredictable and dangerous. . . It is high time Durov understood that one can choose neither the home country nor the times one is born into,” he added.
— Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev
AWAKE
“The Kursk situation has highlighted the importance of the military component. I do hope that our military has got some ideas because the nature of the war has changed completely. It’s no longer a special military operation. We have realized that we are fighting against NATO to the fullest extent,” Stepashin said.”
–former Russian Prime Minister Sergey Stepashin
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Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 25 2024 15:07 utc | 1
Russians continue to whittle down the Kursk invaders, while Russian Duma considers re-instituting the death penalty for foreign mercenaries on Russian territory…
Posted by: Pyrrhus | Aug 25 2024 15:10 utc | 2
Highlights from Keneddy’s speech endorsing Trump which are relevant to the topic of Ukraine:
https://asiatimes.com/2024/08/rfk-jr-endorses-trump-opens-fire-on-us-neocons/
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 25 2024 15:17 utc | 3
Elmagnostic@1507
Having just minutes ago watched Tucker Carlson’s interview with Durov; I noticed a couple of observations. One, is that Durov is indeed a small “I” internationalist, as his English is near perfect, with a barely discernible accent. Two: Durov’s extremely youthful appearance indicates that bright as he likely is; that very youthfulness indicates and individual who likely has not been through any school of hard-knocks and is now getting lessoned by the nefarious Rottenchild-owned Macron regime.
No doubt that diplomatic wheels of many iterations are humming away. Thus, the Paris regime has a diplomatic hot-potato in its greasy hands. They may attempt to sweat him down a bit…delving for weak-spots in his character. Likely that the tactic will not succeed and after perhaps two or three weeks, the proprietor of Telegram may emerge from captivity only by being circumcised of his French quadruple citizenship.
Chances are fair to partly middling that he will have learned his lesson to not play ball with the Collective Wa$te.
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 25 2024 15:30 utc | 4
There you go Peter. Even the Russian PM agrees with my take. Thanks Elmagnostic at #1.
–“The Kursk situation has highlighted the importance of the military component. I do hope that our military has got some ideas because the nature of the war has changed completely. It’s no longer a special military operation. We have realized that we are fighting against NATO to the fullest extent,” Stepashin said.”
–former Russian Prime Minister Sergey Stepashin__
Posted by: arby | Aug 25 2024 15:33 utc | 5
However the battle on the ground may be going, thank you to the Russian people for fighting the good fight against these western globalists.
Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 25 2024 15:38 utc | 6
Ukraine Weekly Update, 23rd August 2024: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-1b0
Posted by: Dr. Rob Campbell | Aug 25 2024 15:41 utc | 7
Didn’t notice the “former” part but Medvedev is also the “former” president and worth reading what he says as well.
Posted by: arby | Aug 25 2024 15:49 utc | 9
arby | Aug 25 2024 15:33 utc | 5
Look at my last post in the previous Ukraine thread.
So many here are looking for something to beat the trolls over the head with. Want Russia to do some ‘optics’. Trashy kids stuff.
Similar with the one eyed footy fans, the good time girls. Shit happens and they scream corruption or whatever. I have no interest in that crap.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 15:56 utc | 10
aristodemos | Aug 25 2024 15:30 utc | 4
A Russian ‘liberal’. any similar took off to Europe at the start of the SMO only to find that rather than greener pastures, it was full of poison weeds.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 15:59 utc | 11
We have realized that we are fighting against NATO to the fullest extent,” Stepashin said.”
–former Russian Prime Minister Sergey Stepashin
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Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 25 2024 15:07 utc | 1
……..
He is somewhat late waking up. In his RT interview at the time of mobilization, Shougu said Russia was now fighting Nato.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 16:02 utc | 12
Russia, no matter what the provocation, please continue *exactly* as you are doing now.
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 25 2024 16:09 utc | 13
My take on the Pavel Durov situation is somewhat cynical.
Maybe he was taken into custody because the West wants to exchange him for someone Russia is holding. Or alternatively, they arrested him so he can be a bargaining chip in some future exchange.
Posted by: Jerr | Aug 25 2024 16:15 utc | 14
🌍 Telegram
During the Third World War, Telegram simply could not remain unnoticed. A huge information resource that challenged the intelligence services of the entire world due to its confidentiality is a significant threat to the hegemon, its proxies and its infrastructure.
Therefore, the interests of all elements of the system, such as the CIA, the Office of the President and Meta, converged in the arrest of Durov.
Some need access to correspondence, others need control over the media space, and others do not need an overtaking competitor.
The fact that the Russian Armed Forces have all their communications built on Telegram once again proves its security. That is, the commanders themselves preferred a third-party developer to any of their domestic analogues developed by Rostec, etc. In my opinion, this is the best recognition of the defense. It is clear that they will suffer if Pavel chooses Protasevich’s path, but this is a pleasant bonus for the West, and not an end in itself.
The GUR is also using Telegram to the fullest, but Ukrainian fighters against Telegram prefer to keep quiet about this. Because then they will have to admit that it does not break, and therefore is independent.
The main task is to devalue Telegram.
By the way, the authorities from both opposing sides of the Ukrainian conflict will benefit from the complete destruction of Telegram, since the last significant independent platform on which the Kremlin and Bankova will be able to more easily cocoon their information space will disappear.
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:18 utc | 15
In the Kursk region, fighting continues, where Russian troops have pulled up and used the transferred forces from the Zaporizhzhya front and Donbass. As a result, the Russians have some success in the Korenevsky district. In particular, the Russian Armed Forces have again entered Olgovka after the recent raid of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to Aleksandrovka.
Currently, fighting is underway in Olgovka, as well as in the area of Komarovka, Krasnooktyabrsky, Kremyanoye and Kauchuk. In addition, fighting continues in the area of Russkoye Porechny, Martynovka and Russkaya Konopelka. In the area of Malaya Loknya, Ukrainian troops have driven out the Russian Armed Forces and now fighting is taking place near the populated areas. Here, the Russians have used the transferred forces from other areas of the front.
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20464
Posted by: Down Douth | Aug 25 2024 16:21 utc | 16
❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk Direction: Battles in the Olhovka area and strikes on Ukrainian armor
What is known as of 6:00 PM on August 25, 2024
In Kursk Region, the Russian forces continue to contain the enemy’s onslaught, inflicting significant losses on Ukrainian formations along the entire line of contact.
🔻In Korenevo District, the Russian Armed Forces have restored control over Olhovka, which had been the site of fierce battles several days ago. Apparently, after suffering heavy losses in equipment and manpower in the village and the surrounding area, the AFU were forced to withdraw.
Approaching Korenevo and Zeleny Shlyakh, two BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles were destroyed by FPV drones. The AFU continue their attempts to advance directly into Korenevo itself, but all their attacks are successfully repelled.
🔻In Sudzha District, fighting continues in the area of Malaya Loknya. All attempts by the enemy to enter and consolidate in the village have been thwarted, and it remains under the control of the Russian Armed Forces. In the area of Martynivka and Russkoye Porechnoye, there are ongoing clashes.
The sector is seeing an increase in the intensity of artillery strikes on Russian positions, which is associated with the redeployment of additional guns by Ukrainian formations from other parts of the front.
🔻The Russian forces continue systematic work to destroy air defense systems and radar stations in Sumy Region. UAV operators struck an ST-68 radar of the AFU near Shevchenkovo in Sumy Region using a Lancet kamikaze drone. In the morning, a Buk-M1 air defense system was hit in Gritsenkovo.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17235
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:22 utc | 17
If the SMO is changing of necessity to address sheep dipped NATO forces and mercs invading Russia proper then I suggest that if the new goal is to “neuter” NATO troops the operation should be called “Spayto”.
Posted by: count-rumford | Aug 25 2024 16:23 utc | 18
Posted by: Jerr | Aug 25 2024 16:15 utc | 14
##########
Durov, tragically, is another young fool whose success has insulated him from the realities of the world.
No Russian of any note has any business flying private to France during the SMO, particularly not if the person in question is someone of controversy.
I’ve seen it written that he is a small “i” internationalist. Well, the Globohomo power establishment cares nothing for international laws, rules, or conventional morality.
He should survive, and hopefully be much wiser for it. Binding him closer and closer to the safety of the Fatherland.
For their safety and security, every Russian should avoid anywhere related to the Western powers.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 16:27 utc | 19
⚡️ NATO Strengthens Air Defense
🇷🇴Romania on the routes of Russian attack drones
The Deployable Air Command and Control Center (DACCC) redeployed a LANZA LTR-25 mobile radar with a crew from 🇮🇹Italy to the Romanian border town of Cataloi ( Tulcea County), located 25 km from Izmail . The radar is capable of detecting targets at a range of up to 450 km .
The decision is justified by the need to strengthen the protection of NATO’s eastern flank airspace against the backdrop of the systematic discovery of strike drone debris in Romania . On August 20, fragments of a drone were discovered in Tulcea County . UAV debris was also discovered on March 28, 2024, in an area of agricultural land near Bolshoi Island (near Braila).
Earlier, Romania redeployed counter-drone systems attacking Ukrainian Danube ports to the Ukrainian direction (in the Danube Delta region, Tulcea County). In addition, since February 2022, SAMP-T air defense systems have been deployed on the Black Sea coast of Romania at the Capu Midia military base as part of the “Eagle” mission of the 🇫🇷French Armed Forces . Patriot air defense systems of the Romanian Air Force are also based in the same area.
✨ Against the background of information about the possible use of Romanian airfields for basing F-16s of the Ukrainian Air Force , the strengthening of air defense may be associated with the need to cover them. In addition, there is a high probability of indirect participation of NATO countries in repelling Russian air attacks on the Danube infrastructure of Ukraine.
🇷🇴🇺🇸 In addition to the post by Two Majors about the deployment of the LTR-25 radar station in Romanian Catalonia , we would like to note that the radar has already begun to function in the Black Sea region.
The capabilities of the radar will allow the Alliance to cover a wide range of tasks both in identifying surface and air targets. And who all this will be aimed at – there is no need to explain.
And these are not pacifist tasks at all. With the advent of F-16 fighters, this radar will significantly simplify the work of Ukrainian formations in targeting the now important Crimea and Kherson region .
It’s an interesting situation. There are more and more military assets off the Russian coast. After all, this station is just the tip of the iceberg. There are also dozens of drones and planes, not to mention satellites.
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:29 utc | 20
Alexander Gelyevich DUGIN on the arrest of Durov:
“Pavel Durov has been arrested in Paris. This is the final proof that no one will be able to maintain neutrality during a total world war. There are two irreconcilable worlds that have turned against each other. Us and them. And there is an abyss between us. Dual citizenship, blurred loyalties, maneuvering between camps – all this is in the past. Either with us or against us. Durov flew to Baku, I believe, to negotiate with Putin about his return. But he underestimated the seriousness of the situation and did not surrender unconditionally. But this was enough for the West to immediately slap him down.
However, the internal front is also open in the West itself. Elon Musk with his x.com, which is banned in the Russian Federation, is about to find himself in a similar situation. The globalists have moved to an openly totalitarian policy: whoever is not with them is against them (and according to their logic, for Russia). And since networks and information flows play a key role in modern warfare, the first victims of an irreconcilable split are precisely those who possess such a resource.”
“What will happen to Telegram now? Most likely, this is the end. Macron and the liberal Gestapo will demand that the keys and codes from TG be handed over. The price of freedom. If Durov agrees, and so far he has been playing right-wing libertarianism in the spirit of Elon Musk and has not agreed, TG will be closed in the Russian Federation. If he does not agree, he will be jailed like Assange. And then TG will be finished altogether.”
“He who owns the networks and media is sovereign.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/107005
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:32 utc | 21
Dmitry Medvedev
Once, quite a long time ago, I asked Durov why he did not want to cooperate with law enforcement agencies on serious crimes. “This is my principled position,” he said. “Then there will be serious problems in any country,” I told him.
He considered that the biggest problems he had in Russia, and left, then also received citizenship / residence permit in other countries. I wanted to be a brilliant “man of the world” who lives well without a homeland. Ubi bene ibi patria!
He had miscalculated. For all our common enemies now, he is Russian – and therefore unpredictable and dangerous. Other blood. Definitely not Musk or Zuckerberg (by the way, who actively cooperates with the FBI). Durov must finally understand that the Fatherland, like the times, does not choose…
https://t.me/s/medvedev_telegram
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 16:34 utc | 22
🖼️>🇷🇺🇺🇦 Pokrovsk direction: advance of the Russian Armed Forces in the area of Novohrodivka and Kalinovo
situation as of 7:00 pm on August 25, 2024
Russian troops are pushing through the AFU defense in Novohrodivka, seeking to encircle the city. Ukrainian formations are gradually retreating.
▪️The advance units of the Russian Armed Forces have reached Krutyi Yar – Krasnyi Yar, consolidating on the southeastern outskirts. Russian troops are using artillery and UAVs to suppress AFU firing points.
❗️Capturing Krutyi and Krasnyi Yars will allow the Russian Armed Forces to assault the AFU positions on the slag heap of Novohrodivska mine No. 3, a key point for the northern flank of the semi-encirclement of Novohrodivka.
▪️In Novohrodivka, Russian assault groups are rapidly overcoming the enemy’s defensive lines, controlling Michurina and Turgenev streets, and fighting for Molodizhnaya street.
▪️To the south, Russian troops are fighting on the approaches to the Kotlyarevska mine and have advanced to the Mykhailivka railway station, cutting the M-30 highway.
▪️On the line Karlivka – Memryk, Russian troops have expanded the control zone, advancing from Ptychye towards Kalinovo and north along the Karlivka reservoir.
❗️Russian troops are actively attacking the flanks of the AFU defensive lines in the area of Kalinovo, seeking to bypass and isolate the enemy strongholds.
https://t.me/rybar_in_english/17236
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:40 utc | 23
Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:40 utc | 23
I generally scroll through the Geroman twitter account as it of contains reposts of things of relevance. But it is nowdays clogged with utterly iralevant maps from assorted armchair types.
Similar to the bulk of the Russian tg bloggers.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 16:46 utc | 24
It will soon be a month since the start of the Kursk incursion/invasion and while there have been a myriad of reasons posited for the operation, both from the Kiev side and from various Russian commentators, the only one that made sense to me was the capturing of the Kursk NPP (but even that is not without its issues, after all what does one do with it? How do you maintain the supply lines from the Ukraine border? How do you deal with the employees? Threatening to unleash a Chernobyl seems a step too far, even for the NATO death-heads).
I know only hind-sight will illuminate the ultimate goal(s) of this NATO-Kiev operation but as a citizen of Perfidious Albion, it does (like Krynky last year) feel like exactly the kind of operation engineered by British state and military intelligence who still to this day no doubt wish to emulate the legacy of the WWII Special Operations Executive. I know plenty of others who have speculated along these lines and as time ticks away, it’s getting more and more difficult to understand the point of this suicidal adventure.
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Aug 25 2024 16:48 utc | 25
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 25 2024 15:17 utc | 3
***********
lol.
How can RFK jr endorse someone who hired the services of J. Bolton and M. Pompeo….
Posted by: scc | Aug 25 2024 16:51 utc | 26
How can RFK jr endorse someone who hired the services of J. Bolton and M. Pompeo….
Posted by: scc | Aug 25 2024 16:51 utc | 26
He is an empire man who believes US must hold Israel as that is a US unsinkable aircraft carrier in the mid east. Control of Persian gulf oil.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 16:55 utc | 27
My take on the Pavel Durov situation is somewhat cynical.
… they arrested him so …
Posted by: Jerr | Aug 25 2024 16:15 utc | 14
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They arrested Durov because they can.
“Rules based order” messaging demands total oversight.
Players like Musk must be on drugs to get a decent night’s sleep.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 25 2024 17:07 utc | 28
According to operational information, the General Staff of Ukraine has deployed over 1,000 units of equipment and almost 25,000 troops in the Kursk operation. Detailed composition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk direction:
• 3rd Battalion Nightingale of the 14th Bpak Regiment;
• 3rd Mbr of the 22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• Tank Battalion of the 22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 409th Separate Brigade of the 22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 2nd Company of the 33rd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• Battalion “Shkval” of the 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• ADN of the 43rd Separate Artillery Brigade;
• 48th Separate Brigade;
• 1st Mbr of the 54th Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 99th Separate Mechanized Brigade of the 61st Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 101st Separate Mechanized Brigade of the 61st Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 1st infantry battalion, 80th airborne infantry brigade;
• 2nd infantry battalion, 80th airborne infantry brigade;
• 2nd infantry battalion, 82nd airborne infantry brigade;
• 3rd infantry battalion, 82nd airborne infantry brigade;
• 4th airborne battalion, 82nd airborne brigade;
• agr 82nd airborne brigade;
• 3rd Shb 92nd Brigade;
• 1st infantry battalion, 95th airborne infantry brigade;
• 73rd about 101st TrO unit;
• 67th about 103rd TRO;
• engineer unit of the 116th brigade;
• Khorne group 116th brigade;
• 239th about 129th TrO unit;
• Bravo Team group of the 130th separate battalion;
• 2nd company “Shkval” of the 225th separate battalion;
• tank unit “Tur” of the 225th separate battalion;
• 425th separate battalion;
• 501st separate battalion of the 36th separate mp;
• 808th separate brigade;
• Dragons group of the special forces detachment “Omega” of the NGU;
• 1st detachment of the CSO “West” of the special forces;
• “Alpha” unit of the SBU;
• Project M2 UAV group of the SBU;
• Flying Skull UAV battalion.
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20463
Our source in the General Staff said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot break through the enemy’s defense in Korneyevo, which is why Syrsky is transferring new units to the Kursk region from Zaporozhye/Odessa and the Volyn region. The list of brigades and units will be increased, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces contingent will be increased to 40 thousand troops.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24081
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 17:11 utc | 29
There’s Hope ..
Ukrainian veteran emotionally tells what is really happening on the front line.
Link to Bitchute
Lets “hope” it grows.
Posted by: Carrion | Aug 25 2024 17:17 utc | 30
“The list of brigades and units will be increased, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces contingent will be increased to 40 thousand troops.”
Deir Ezzor 2.0
Shit happens in war. What does matter is being able to turn shit to advantage. Something Putin is very adept at.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:17 utc | 31
I just heard on RT that Blackrock has ordered the Kiev regime to stop burying dead Ukrainian men on land “owned” by Blackrock, as it lowers the value.
At what point will Ukrainians rebel?
Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 25 2024 17:19 utc | 32
Pyrrhus @ 2
Russians continue to whittle down the Kursk invaders, while Russian Duma considers re-instituting the death penalty for foreign mercenaries on Russian territory…
What’s to reconsider, you break into my house I shoot you. They should get a quick publicly broadcast military trial and hung on scaffolds in Red Square like Nazi criminals in 1945. Putin’s a pussy, I’m starting to sound like Paul Craig Roberts, or even a troll.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 17:20 utc | 33
@Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 17:11 utc | 29
And the meat grinder will grind on, sucking in more and more of the Ukrainian army. Russia may then take it slow, to suck in as many as possible and make a later campaign to take Sumy much easier. Then more Ukrainians get sucked in to try to defend/take back Sumy. Syrsky has done the Russians a massive favour that will just keep on giving.
Average daily losses of Ukraine as reported by the Russians, at the front line, is 2100 so far in August. Add in the losses away from the front line and simply missed, plus AWOL, and the Ukrainians are probably running at about 3,000 a day. Plus 30 pieces of artillery every day, multiple EW and anti-battery radar systems, and whatever tanks and AFV/IFV are left to stick their heads above the parapet long enough to get them blown off. The Russians still have very large reserves that they have not yet committed to theatre, and those reserves are growing by 10,000s every month with new volunteers.
The Kursk incursion just speeded up the Russian journey to victory.
Putin’s a pussy,…
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 17:20 utc | 33
The Russian wet works bloke Putin got back from Germany and personally greeted comes to mind.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:26 utc | 35
From previous thread, an excellent TG post on the legal history of similar cases to the recent Telegram arrest. I’ve censored coin references to get the text past MoA’s spam filter, original link provided. The channel is double-plus legit.
https://t.me/sashakots/48596
To my friends from Telegram. Fly to the Russian Federation immediately.
1. On January 23, Anatoly Legkodymov was arrested in the USA. ### Banker bot in Telegram. At that time, the largest bot for exchanging ###currency. A few weeks later, the entire project team was jailed. Including Pavel Lerner (creator of the ### and ### exchanges).
The team has been sitting in France all this time. Awaiting trial. Nothing is happening, no information is coming in. I called the girlfriend of one of the team members yesterday.
The French court, the prosecutor’s office and Europol do not decide anything. They just broadcast the accusation from the USA. I saw the accusation in the case. Lawyers are completely useless. In cases of this level, with interest from the US, they have no influence on anything.
Of the entire team, only Anton Shkurenko jumped out, who decided to sit in Moscow. Everyone who was outside the Russian Federation was accepted (ed: detained)
2. On December 23, upon arrival in France, my friend was arrested. There is no information about this in the Russian media at all. Those who are into ### exchange know him. The French also took in other people, in their opinion, who are connected. Including the pregnant housewife wife of my arrested friend. There has been no information since December. They are just sitting and waiting. In the same detention center as the people from ### Banker.
Only the part of the team that was in the Russian Federation bounced back. Of course, now they do not leave the Russian Federation.
3. Two years ago, my friends from ### Cash were arrested. Those who were abroad were taken in. Lesha was given 6 years in the EU. Roma, thank God, was given house arrest pending trial in the USA. Waiting for trial is very scary, your nerves are burning wildly because of the unknown.
Only those who were in the Russian Federation bounced back from Tornado. They are doing well.
4. A month ago, a group of Russians, about 10 people, were taken to the UAE. And immediately extradition to the USA. There is nothing about this in any media. The charge is circumvention of sanctions through payments in crypto.
The part of the team that was on the Russian side bounced back.
5. ### and ###-e. You know everything about this. It is worth mentioning that the employees of the legal successor, the ### exchange, were also arrested abroad later. And I am 100% sure that they were released only under very special conditions. Namely, full recruitment. You could say that he was lucky. Otherwise, he would have been in prison for a long time.
6. Roma Sterlingov. The creator of the ### Fog mixer. He was accepted at the age of 21. Roma was unlucky, he was not given home detention before the trial. He waited three and a half years in a US prison. The jury trial took place quite recently. They gave him 30 years. The prosecution requested 50 years. 10 days ago, Roman’s defense council filed a 37-page petition challenging the term, here is a link to the document: (PDF)
But I think it’s useless.
Summary.
Five of the six tragedies above happened before my eyes. I knew the team members. Statistics clearly show that sitting outside the Russian Federation is the worst possible decision.
In the worst case scenario at home: In the Russian Federation, there are no long terms for such crimes at all. And the level of comfort in a penal colony in the Russian Federation is comparable to Norwegian prisons.
Practice shows that they do not touch in the Russian Federation. Especially now, when the world has become bipolar. And even before the split: remember Jan Marsalek. He is doing well in the Russian Federation. There is nothing that can be done for Pavel. Pavel’s arrest is not the beginning of the process. It is the result of long-term work of a large number of specialists in the United States.
I personally, with my own eyes, saw the charges in the above processes. They were not prepared by Interpol and Europol. They were prepared by the United States. France is simply a place of residence and waiting. Interpol headquarters is located there. And local authorities and law enforcement agencies are a relay station for the United States.
The chronology of other cases shows that after the first arrest, then always, without exception, there are arrests of teams. Those members of the teams who made the decision to urgently fly to the Russian Federation – their fate turned out well.
Others who decided to defend themselves in the West – their fates were bad. I could give another five examples, everything is exactly the same there.
Friends, your main goal now is to take care of yourself. Perhaps, every hour counts for you. Find an opportunity to urgently move to your homeland. And do not build illusions that the UAE is a neutral zone.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 25 2024 17:27 utc | 36
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 17:11 utc | 29
25,000 men is quite a respectable figure.
Looking at just the names laid out, it feels like a very respectable army, but considering that the Ukrainian side has repeatedly had its collected troops crushed by the Russians and then gathered new troops again, it might be group of inexperienced soldiers.
I wonder how many of the well-trained soldiers have survived.
Posted by: Nokaz | Aug 25 2024 17:28 utc | 37
LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 17:20 utc | 33
as far as I know .. Russia does not perform capital punishment, So I am not sure why “Putin is a Pussy”
Capital punishment is a legal penalty in Russia but is not used due to a moratorium and no death sentences or executions have been carried out since 2 August 1996. Russia has had an implicit moratorium in place since one was established by President Boris Yeltsin in 1996, and explicitly established by the Constitutional Court of Russia in 1999 and reaffirmed in 2009.
That said , I believe they should .. in some form for terrorists within Russia’s borders
Posted by: Carrion | Aug 25 2024 17:28 utc | 38
No Russian of any note has any business flying private to France during the SMO
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 16:27 utc | 19.
I don’t know if he considers himself very Russian. Though, at least he’s not like the much richer Yandex guy who ran to Israel and talks shit about Russia all day long. Or those other “Russians” who ran to Israel outraged by the smo and found themselves called in the Bibi army. Absolutely hilarious the karma bitch
Posted by: rk | Aug 25 2024 17:31 utc | 39
Just have to post this one.
Fellarinasaurus Bonk
@slayerofmoskali
I am starting a NAFO Veterans Division, focused on offering an innovative, personal approach to Fellas & Fellarinas mental health & wellness that centers around the warrior. PTSD, anxiety, & depression are the most common mental health challenges for our warriors.
Troll factory PTSD. What next…
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:36 utc | 40
Posted by: too scents | Aug 25 2024 17:07 utc | 28
##########
Or, more likely, Musk is a collaborator and all of his “free speech” stances are kabuki.
I think the elites have figured out how much to give the masses “just enough” to build credibility that people go along to get along.
I think the people of the West have forgotten what true heroism and sacrifice look like.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 17:38 utc | 41
Both on the “old” territory of Russia, and near Donetsk , there is a shortage of personnel, we are transferring personnel, practically directly replenishing losses.
In order to expel the enemy from the territory of the Russian Federation, including new regions, to defeat him and consolidate the achieved result, manpower and personnel are needed. Without those who will break through to enemy positions under fire, the goals of the SVO are impossible to achieve.
@voenkorKotenok
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 25 2024 17:41 utc | 42
Posted by: Carrion | Aug 25 2024 17:28 utc | 38
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Indeed. “Putin’s a pussy” wrote yet another internet keyboard warrior.
I’d like to remind the bar that despite his advanced age, Putin can still put most of us into submission during a physical confrontation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 17:42 utc | 43
rk | Aug 25 2024 17:31 utc | 39
Apperently due to sanctions, he was forced into a forced sale of yandex and the buyers knew it. Had to sell it for peanuts in the dollar. Several millions vs a number of billions on a peacetime market.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:43 utc | 44
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:36 utc | 40
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More like a cash grab from other low-IQ simps, predators preying on the weak.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 17:43 utc | 45
Musk is a collaborator
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 17:38 utc | 41
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Of course Musk is a collaborator. He serves many masters and that puts him in insane risk.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 25 2024 17:43 utc | 46
According to operational information, the General Staff of Ukraine has deployed over 1,000 units of equipment and almost 25,000 troops in the Kursk operation. Detailed composition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kursk direction:
• 3rd Battalion Nightingale of the 14th Bpak Regiment;
• 3rd Mbr of the 22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• Tank Battalion of the 22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 409th Separate Brigade of the 22nd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 2nd Company of the 33rd Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• Battalion “Shkval” of the 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• ADN of the 43rd Separate Artillery Brigade;
• 48th Separate Brigade;
• 1st Mbr of the 54th Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 99th Separate Mechanized Brigade of the 61st Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 101st Separate Mechanized Brigade of the 61st Separate Mechanized Brigade;
• 1st infantry battalion, 80th airborne infantry brigade;
• 2nd infantry battalion, 80th airborne infantry brigade;
• 2nd infantry battalion, 82nd airborne infantry brigade;
• 3rd infantry battalion, 82nd airborne infantry brigade;
• 4th airborne battalion, 82nd airborne brigade;
• agr 82nd airborne brigade;
• 3rd Shb 92nd Brigade;
• 1st infantry battalion, 95th airborne infantry brigade;
• 73rd about 101st TrO unit;
• 67th about 103rd TRO;
• engineer unit of the 116th brigade;
• Khorne group 116th brigade;
• 239th about 129th TrO unit;
• Bravo Team group of the 130th separate battalion;
• 2nd company “Shkval” of the 225th separate battalion;
• tank unit “Tur” of the 225th separate battalion;
• 425th separate battalion;
• 501st separate battalion of the 36th separate mp;
• 808th separate brigade;
• Dragons group of the special forces detachment “Omega” of the NGU;
• 1st detachment of the CSO “West” of the special forces;
• “Alpha” unit of the SBU;
• Project M2 UAV group of the SBU;
• Flying Skull UAV battalion.
https://t.me/the_military_analytics/20463
Our source in the General Staff said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot break through the enemy’s defense in Korneyevo, which is why Syrsky is transferring new units to the Kursk region from Zaporozhye/Odessa and the Volyn region. The list of brigades and units will be increased, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces contingent will be increased to 40 thousand troops.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24081
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 17:11 utc | 29
So my early guesstimate of 30.000 (with a no lower than 24.000) seems to have held quite nice.
Also that it would now be 30.000+++ (significantly more and those stated 40.000 (+15.000) don’t cover losses so far so it’s probably more than 40.000)
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 25 2024 17:46 utc | 47
Our source in the General Staff said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot break through the enemy’s defense in Korneyevo, which is why Syrsky is transferring new units to the Kursk region from Zaporozhye/Odessa and the Volyn region. The list of brigades and units will be increased, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces contingent will be increased to 40 thousand troops.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/24081
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 17:11 utc | 29
So this means that Russia doesn’t control the border area around Kursk and can’t stop Ukraine from transferring troops to Russia. It is Russia that doesn’t have enough men to fight the war. Ukraine still has plenty.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 25 2024 17:46 utc | 48
LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 17:43 utc | 45
The troll world is no doubt a dog eat dog world 🙂
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:47 utc | 49
He is an empire man who believes US must hold Israel as that is a US unsinkable aircraft carrier in the mid east. Control of Persian gulf oil.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 16:55 utc | 27
Maybe. Im pretty sure the dems will do the same. kenedy will know that as well, so….maybe theres something else. Msm will have a hayday w kenedy and his vax stance. msm will get a shit tonne more clicks thats for sure. Maybe thats it
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 25 2024 17:52 utc | 50
Players like Musk must be on drugs to get a decent night’s sleep.
Posted by: too scents | Aug 25 2024 17:07 utc | 28
Musk is nothing but controlled opposition. Apart from being one more jew fuckerberg clone building the machinery needed for digital tyranny and total control, his media task is the same as Trump’s, to drop a few edgy words about the “deep state” every now and then so that all the “white hat” believers can fart and chortle in relief, drink a beer and go back to sleep for a few years while their slaughterhouse is being erected.
That the EU threatens closing X for not meeting its information submission requirements means nothing. The EU is a kakistocracy, but beside that, them hooting and wooting about X or Musk serves exactly the same purpose: get the “white hat” believers to think that their saviour Musk is working hard to make everything better, and going back to sleep.
Posted by: Michael A | Aug 25 2024 17:53 utc | 51
Tannenhouser | Aug 25 2024 17:52 utc | 50
He has simply gone over to the realist/nationalist side of the power structure rather than sticking with the debauched and crazy globalists.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:55 utc | 52
RE: Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 25 2024 17:46 utc | 48
Sounds more like Ukraine is “transferring” units to make the 40k while Russia will haul out more reserves. A bit of a difference on the ground. Russia has “reserves” sitting all over Russia. 2K here 2K there, 100k trained ready to roll soldiers. Not hard to do If the need arrives.
But guessing the air power will come into full force once evacuations are done. Then, where do those Ukraine 40k run to?
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 25 2024 17:55 utc | 53
Just have to post this one.
Fellarinasaurus Bonk
@slayerofmoskali
I am starting a NAFO Veterans Division, focused on offering an innovative, personal approach to Fellas & Fellarinas mental health & wellness that centers around the warrior. PTSD, anxiety, & depression are the most common mental health challenges for our warriors.
Troll factory PTSD. What next…
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:36 utc | 40
I was just reading about the terminal mental (and sometimes physical) decline of NAFO
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Aug 25 2024 17:57 utc | 54
But guessing the air power will come into full force once evacuations are done. Then, where do those Ukraine 40k run to?
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 25 2024 17:55 utc | 53
When will the evacuations be done and why haven’t they been done already? It is almost 3 weeks since the invasion and people on this forum said the Ukrainian forces would be pushed out in a few days.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 25 2024 17:58 utc | 55
Or those other “Russians” who ran to Israel outraged by the smo and found themselves called in the Bibi army. Absolutely hilarious the karma bitch
Posted by: rk | Aug 25 2024 17:31 utc | 39
Jews keep forgetting that it’s mainly jews who kill jews. Pretty much all terrorism against jews for the last century was performed by israel or by the fathers of israel to expedite its creation.
Posted by: Michael A | Aug 25 2024 18:00 utc | 56
Trubind1 | Aug 25 2024 17:55 utc | 53
Do not feed the fucking trolls.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 18:02 utc | 57
RE: Ukrainian forces would be pushed out in a few days.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 25 2024 17:58 utc | 55
Guess many here weren’t in the loop that Russia decided to create a gigantic killing field, inviting all NATO ground troops and equipment to amass themselves for the pepper spray of of Kinzahls coming. I sure didn’t know.
Evacuations, when done humanely, take time. Not that Ukraine would know a thing about an orderly or humanly acceptable way to evacuate populaces and their pets ect.
Everyone gets maybe a day, or less, to run for their lives in Ukraine.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 25 2024 18:06 utc | 58
What’s wrong with you ? Are you blind to the benefits of controlling the Narrative?
DEI Boeing is a very successful, not-government subsidized, high-quality manufacturer that secretly is pretending to make sub-par products to throw their enemies and competitors off-track. The 2 astronauts are being tested for their endurance by sneakily extending their 8 day tour into 8 months. Unplanned for them, but planned by the Dark Hand of the U.S./West’s almighty Central Control Room.
Ukraine and Israel are self-sacrificing themselves for the greater good of WEF rear-smacking, American Drug and Obesity proliferation for the greater good of the multi-billionaires and various airhead mediocrities that pushed the end of the parade, turd pushers into the front of the parade, band leaders – Pedo Joe and humping Camala.
All’s well, self destruction is the plan, and nothing, whatsoever, can be allowed to divert from the plan.
Posted by: kupkee | Aug 25 2024 18:11 utc | 59
RE: Do not feed the fucking trolls.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 18:02 utc | 57
Point taken. 🍺
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 25 2024 18:12 utc | 60
Paraphrasing something I heard attributed to Apti Alaudinov, “Ukraine is deploying its reserves to Kursk, and that is a good thing because it will save us (Russians) time trying to hunt them down.”
Kursk is an all-in move. And as it continues to stall and maybe reverse, Ukraine will get crazier and more dangerous. Back against the wall, nothing to lose.
This could be the scenario that finally breaks the Ukrainian military for good.
I can’t stop thinking of NAFO bro Julian shrilly pleading 2 weeks ago that there is no way Ukraine will fall this year. That was just before Kursk. LOL
It still may not happen but the Nazis are losing so much of the Donbass right now, that by this time next year, Russians may be driving to Transnistria before Moldova can merge into Romania.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 18:31 utc | 62
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 25 2024 17:46 utc | 48
It means the Russians stick to the age old principle of maintenance of purpose, whereas the Ukrainians are following the siren songs of, ‘just one more push’ and ‘they must break soon’. A golden rule is, the more an army pursues a failing strategy the more they’ve emotionally invested in it, which is a dynamic that has literally cost millions of lives.
If Zelensky is stripping the cupboard bare, it just means that Russia has more opportunities to go on the offensive. The only good thing is that it shortens the war, just as the equally pointless, but desperate, Ardennes offensive in ‘44 removed 600 AfV’s from the German tank park and probably shortened the war by six months.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 25 2024 18:33 utc | 63
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 25 2024 17:58 utc | 55
Most didn’t, the predictions ranged from 2-4 weeks, but they were based on Ukraine not doubling down on failure and following basic military principles. Luckily, for the Russians they didn’t, now all those units that would have taken 5X the resources to dig out of fortifications and defence lines have decided to make it a lot easier.
It’s exactly the same principle as hunting big game. Go into the territory that the animal knows like the back of its paw, ceed the advantages that your weapon gives you to your prey, as you purposefully match your inferior skills to that of the beast. Or, climb a tree, leave a tethered animal and wait.
Posted by: Mi;ites | Aug 25 2024 18:48 utc | 64
NATO redeployed a LANZA LTR-25 mobile radar to the Romanian border town of Cataloi. The radar is capable of detecting targets at a range of up to 450 km.
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:29 utc | 20
Just far enough to reach Odessa. NATO has been busy the past couple of years, putting up radars in East Europe.
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 25 2024 18:51 utc | 65
For their safety and security, every Russian should avoid anywhere related to the Western powers.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 16:27 utc | 19
Replace Russian with Chinese (Meng Wanzhou), Iranian, Syrian…along with anybody not supporting the Rules Based System which would be those nations that accept only the UN Charter.
Where is Vicky or Victor. Must have gotten lost while heading to his shelter in Tel Aviv.
Hey Canuk. I liked your response to Vicky
The Norom Fellow/Girl whatever.
Posted by: Angelo | Aug 25 2024 18:56 utc | 66
Also that it would now be 30.000+++ (significantly more and those stated 40.000 (+15.000) don’t cover losses so far so it’s probably more than 40.000)
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 25 2024 17:46 utc | 47
And to think that I estimated 19-15,000 fighters. I didn’t think that even in these situations the mother of the imbecile is always pregnant! I hope that NATO is not getting involved! I have loved ones in Babylon.
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 25 2024 18:59 utc | 67
Paraphrasing something I heard attributed to Apti Alaudinov, “Ukraine is deploying its reserves to Kursk, and that is a good thing because it will save us (Russians) time trying to hunt them down.”
Kursk is an all-in move. And as it continues to stall and maybe reverse, Ukraine will get crazier and more dangerous. Back against the wall, nothing to lose.
This could be the scenario that finally breaks the Ukrainian military for good.
I can’t stop thinking of NAFO bro Julian shrilly pleading 2 weeks ago that there is no way Ukraine will fall this year. That was just before Kursk. LOL
It still may not happen but the Nazis are losing so much of the Donbass right now, that by this time next year, Russians may be driving to Transnistria before Moldova can merge into Romania.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 18:31 utc | 62
Nicely put, and I think they lost another BUK and its showing.
The frogfoot/Rook can be ugly as f***, might have been superseded by the hellduck, but it’s work is a beauty to behold.
Su-25 attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed Ukrainian troops and armored vehicles in a border area of Russia’s Kursk Region, the Defense Ministry said in a statement.
“Su-25 crews carried out an attack with aircraft weapons, targeting Ukrainian troops, armored and motor vehicles in a border area of the Kursk Region,” the statement reads. “According to intelligence reports, all designated targets were hit,” the ministry added.
The Defense Ministry also released video footage showing the combat operation of pilot crews.
After using aircraft weapons, the planes performed an anti-missile maneuver, released decoy flares and returned to the departure airfield.
Posted by: Newbie | Aug 25 2024 19:03 utc | 68
Where is the Telegram – Durov hardware/serverfarm(redundancy) located? No analysis of his fate is possible without it, there is no case as such when the hardware is under control by either the West or the “Brics”.
Posted by: PetrOldSack | Aug 25 2024 19:37 utc | 69
Posted by: PetrOldSack | Aug 25 2024 19:37 utc | 69
It’s not about the hardware.
It’s about the crypting keys.
Only thing you can do with the hardware is take down the service.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 25 2024 19:43 utc | 70
https://t.me/MedvedevVesti/18392
As for the alternative to TG, which is currently used by the military as a secure frontline messenger.
There is an alternative. And more than one. Roman Alekhine and the respected Umeltsy Frontu write about this . Moreover, there is experience in the combat use of at least two types of closed messengers. Do not think that we do not have patriotic ATIs. That there are no people capable of making a quality product. We have everything.
But everything, traditionally (as with drones, for example) rests on the position of different departments. “We have everything, we don’t need it, get in line and wait, who are you even, you did not graduate from military academies.” Therefore, for now, Telegram.
However, Durov’s arrest may probably become that magic trigger, after which the introduction of the Russian military messenger will go faster. The main thing is not to repeat the mistake with the production of FPV drones. Where a single manufacturer made drones, and the enemy massively suppresses them with electronic warfare.
I don’t mean that we need many messengers. We need one. But it really works, is effective and safe.
“The final piece of paper. Factual. Real! Armor.”
And in this sense, it is important to listen to real participants in military operations, to understand what they need. Moreover, there are many specialists among the front-line soldiers themselves who, even with small means and the help of existing messengers, are already creating working reconnaissance and strike contours.
In the meantime, we have to admit that the evil joke about the arrest of the Chief of Communications of the Armed Forces in France is only partly a joke. And partly a statement of the state of affairs in the sphere of implementation of the Russian combat messenger in the army.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 25 2024 19:54 utc | 71
I don’t want to get ahead of things but I’ll hazard this: I stopped following the day to day fighting after the Kherson pullback as I realized it’s just a back and forth with a clear general trend of the RF grinding forward, no need for a useless dose of daily anxiety. Of course couldn’t help get caught up in Bakhmut but since then I stayed away from the silly daily wrap-ups from sites like Dima etc.
Now, I understandably got caught up in Kursk but without much anxiety, at this point it’s obvious, the AFU pushes forward, grabs a town, the Russian fall back intentionally, then destroy everything and everyone, and move back forward. It’s like watching reruns. I get the feeling the Pentagon, UK, AFU generals are like 5y/os watching a favorite DVD over and over not realizing they’ve already seen it 20 times.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 20:07 utc | 72
“If Zelensky is stripping the cupboard bare, it just means that Russia has more opportunities to go on the offensive. The only good thing is that it shortens the war, just as the equally pointless, but desperate, Ardennes offensive in ‘44 removed 600 AfV’s from the German tank park and probably shortened the war by six months.”
Posted by: Milites | Aug 25 2024 18:33 utc | 63
I have to disagree with your idea that the failed Ardennes offensive ‘probably shortened the war by 6 months”
Well the real war-the much larger front- was on the Eastern front with Russia and the war basically ended with Russia marching into Berlin.
You know more about the subject than I-are you suggesting some of those 600afv’s could have been redeployed on the Eastern front?
Dear Barflies, there have been rumors in recent days that the Russians would launch a massive retaliatory strike on Ukraine’s Independence Day. So far, this doesn’t seem to have materialized. Correct? I would have been a bit surprised as well; the Russians appear to be the more rational actors in this conflict.
Posted by: Tuk | Aug 25 2024 20:17 utc | 74
Posted by: canuck | Aug 25 2024 20:13 utc | 73
It was a diversion of reinforcements, the West got over 2,000 replacement vehicles, the East only 900 odd, given the respective length of the two fronts, it meant a far higher concentration of armour on the West. When Hitler finally ordered 6th Pz Army Eastwards, on the 8th Jan, it was too late. Four days later, and whilst still in transit, the Russians launched their massive winter offensives and smashed through the lines, due in part to a lack of armour to stop the penetrations.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 25 2024 20:37 utc | 75
Posted by: Milites | Aug 25 2024 20:37 utc | 75
Just like Ukraine these days it made a “splash” but did not change anything.
( only whose forces would move faster to the core area. W-Alieds or SU)
Posted by: MAKK | Aug 25 2024 20:41 utc | 76
Troll factory PTSD. What next…
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2024 17:36 utc | 40
This made my day.
Posted by: Hunsdon | Aug 25 2024 20:46 utc | 77
Posted by: Tuk | Aug 25 2024 20:17 utc | 74
Ukraine and NATO prevent any information about RF strikes except if there is PR to be made e.g. if a civilian target is hit.
Russia in turn I think provides some combat footage of their strikes but there is no way od knowing what we really see, whether is real or AI and what the actual damage is.
Info space is effectively sanitized about RF strikes.
Posted by: alek_a | Aug 25 2024 21:01 utc | 78
. If he does not agree, he will be jailed like Assange. And then TG will be finished altogether.”
“He who owns the networks and media is sovereign.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/107005
Posted by: Down South | Aug 25 2024 16:3
Disagree. If he doesn’t comply, there is nothing they can do. Only him and his brother know about the encryption. They already anticipated this (telegram) measures are already in place
Posted by: Smith | Aug 25 2024 21:07 utc | 79
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 20:07 utc | 72
I’d love Dima and his fellow YT’s to do a retrospective and look at the Korsun/Cherkassy operation in early ‘44, as the Russians struggled to maintain a tenuous encirclement. The fighting was characterised by constant back and forth movement, with some perimeter villages changing hands multiple times a day. In the end the Germans broke out, but lost 25K+ men and all their heavy equipment, not including the thousands who died in the relief columns. The Germans got the best of most of the tactical exchanges, especially armour v armour, but it was an operational loss for them.
The danger of focusing on tactical exchanges often means the wider operational picture is obscured by relatively meaningless exchanges. This is why the side who is operationally outmatched often focuses on the tactical, because it conceals the true operational picture. Their aim, invariably to try and confuse the two in the minds of the observer, equating successes in the former with those of the latter, which they demonstrably are not. The reliance on combat footage, by the YT analysts, explicitly strengthens this confusion, as does their use of technology to micro-map the conflict.
Posted by: Milites | Aug 25 2024 21:17 utc | 80
Tuk @ 74
the Russians appear to be the more rational actors in this conflict.
That’s been obvious for a long while, if not decades and centuries. In 2024 it doesn’t take much to be more rational than ClownWorld. Remember when N. Korea seemed crazy? Then ClownWorld stole the show.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 21:22 utc | 81
Obligatory, “Where are the F16s”?
For the WW2 autists, that was a rhetorical question.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 21:43 utc | 82
Posted by: canuck | Aug 25 2024 20:13 utc | 73
“It was a diversion of reinforcements, the West got over 2,000 replacement vehicles, the East only 900 odd, given the respective length of the two fronts, it meant a far higher concentration of armour on the West. When Hitler finally ordered 6th Pz Army Eastwards, on the 8th Jan, it was too late. Four days later, and whilst still in transit, the Russians launched their massive winter offensives and smashed through the lines, due in part to a lack of armour to stop the penetrations.”
Posted by: Milites | Aug 25 2024 20:37 utc | 75
Thank you for the tutorial.
It is notable to me that I don’t read a single commentary anywhere that captures the dilemma that the US/West now faces: specifically that there are two guys in charge of countries that are “the tail that wags the dog” that are ruling in a context of fearing oblivion. The servile USA (!!!) must go along with what they want. That’s how (bribery) campaign “contributions” work.
Netanyahu faces prosecution and potential prison. Zelensky faces exile and assassination. Try getting cooperation from a person walking up the steps to a gallows or guillotine. Good Luck with All That. This ain’t Cincinnatus or simple retirement. Ride The Tiger Because you can’t get off of it.
Anyone who thinks that this doesn’t think this affects their judgment is a fool. How can it not? If you could do “Quantum Leap” into their bodies, wouldn’t you be horrified?
These two are like a drowning man clambering on top of other victims to save themselves. It doesn’t make me more empathetic to Ukraine to understand this situation – since they may not want to think about it. I think the CIA must be agonized as to how to handle this. Do you notice how Burns/CIA does real diplomatic deal making once Blinken accomplishes nothing (other than public lying)? Somebody in DC must be frustrated beyond belief.
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 25 2024 21:45 utc | 84
“Dear Barflies, there have been rumors in recent days that the Russians would launch a massive retaliatory strike on Ukraine’s Independence Day. So far, this doesn’t seem to have materialized. Correct? I would have been a bit surprised as well; the Russians appear to be the more rational actors in this conflict.”
Posted by: Tuk | Aug 25 2024 20:17 utc | 74
Alex Mercouris, whom I like, mentioned that Russia may have not bombed that day as Modi was in Kiev that day -so out of respect.
Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 25 2024 19:54 utc | 71
Ardennes here Ardennes there etc… chitchat, my grandfather was in the rear as a liaison officer of the RSI (fascio) at the German command! If the clouds hadn’t opened and the weather hadn’t improved, the Allied air force wouldn’t have intervened and the German tanks would have arrived where they wanted!
Posted by: LEMMNING1 | Aug 25 2024 21:51 utc | 86
Eighthman | Aug 25 2024 21:45 utc | 84
Great post ! This is exactly the danger we all face. Russia included.
he would clamp onto doorjambs, and when death yanked him through ..
he would go without grace..
without the consolations of philosophy ..
arms flailing, legs kicking ..
and by it is all ..
Posted by: Carrion | Aug 25 2024 21:58 utc | 87
That the Z-tards making this invasion out to be anything but a massive blunder and geopolitical humiliation of Russia are overdosing on copium
Posted by: Jeanie Gold | Aug 25 2024 21:59 utc | 88
Alex Mercouris, whom I like, mentioned that Russia may have not bombed that day as Modi was in Kiev that day -so out of respect.
Posted by: canuck | Aug 25 2024 21:48 utc | 85
Thank you for that heads-up. Totally plausible reason for a delay, India being a customer and conduit for so much Russian oil, and probably not trying too hard to block resources from flowing into Russia through it. India receives a real lot of second hand electronics, and everything else, for recycling, and I imagine some of the sanctions on Russia would ordinarily block their transit to them. But once something is marked for recycling creative bookkeeping can relabel anything into something else.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Aug 25 2024 21:59 utc | 89
2.5 years into the three-day SMO to decartelize Mexico
300000 dead Americans, mostly poor black people and prisoners
US troops have made it almost 50 miles past the border to liberate Mexicans from their cartel government, fighting continues endlessly
Chinese and Russian equipment moves into Mexico freely from the south
USS Enterprise sunk in the first year of the war, several more ships since then
Washington DC briefly evacuated after the Blackrock March of Peace
Mexican assassins traveling to Africa to shoot Blackrock mercenaries harvesting gold
50% of pre-war American vehicle stocks expended or captured
US purchasing munitions from Saudi Arabia and Finland to continue the war (after raiding Canada for all it had)
US actions condemned by everyone except for Canada and Britain, including all of its other allies
Former American presidents saying we should decartelize Guatemala next
Cuba and Venezuela joining the CSTO and BRICS out of fear of future decartelization
Greece leaving NATO after the US refused to intervene when Turkey ethnically cleanses Cyprus, and is now buying weapons from China
Australia switching to the Cyrillic alphabet
Canadian dictator propped up by American troops firing into protestors after a stolen election
American-Canadian Games of Friendship formed after Olympic ban
Unlimited online footage of American soldiers exploding from grenade drone attacks
Mexican counterattack seizes 10% of Arizona
How does Putin do it?
Posted by: Jeanie Gold | Aug 25 2024 22:06 utc | 90
Angelo | Aug 25 2024 18:56 utc | 66
[+ LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2024 16:27 utc | 19]
Replace Russian with Chinese (Meng Wanzhou), Iranian, Syrian…along with anybody not supporting the Rules Based System which would be those nations that accept only the UN Charter.
The Russian govt has already done more for French Citizen, x than the Australian govt did for Assange in a decade.
>… Assange is proof the Borge will come for anyone.
Ritter, Gabbard; Richard Medhurst was held returning to the UK this month.
Judge Nap got his first taste of being targeted for Naughty Thoughts.
Jackson Hinkle is demonitorised everywhere (and is too young and idealistic to understand the danger he is facing.
This is not a definitive list of those who act as if western liberal democracies believe in freedom of speech and expression, only to discover it is all a lie; the Borge didn’t blink when zelensky’s thugs killed Gonzalo Lira.
The Myrotvorets list is SOP, not an aberration.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 25 2024 22:06 utc | 91
canuck @ 85
Alex Mercouris, whom I like, mentioned that Russia may have not bombed that day as Modi was in Kiev that day -so out of respect.
Putin bombing Kiev on independence day would be really crass and out of character, but I give him the go ahead for the next day. Kidding aside, Russia has only hit military targets till now and that isn’t likely to change, why would Russia need to strike military targets on independence day? Military targets have their own schedule of time and place. Really folks, including Mercouris, think it through.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 22:12 utc | 92
Modi was in Kiev (on Ukrainian Independence Day
Anyone able to answer why the fuck Modi was in Kiev ??
Felt a spasm of regurgitation at a pic of him hugging Smelly Tshirt.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 25 2024 22:13 utc | 93
Posted by: canuck | Aug 25 2024 21:48 utc | 85
It is clever not to do what the enemy is expecting. Patience… patience…
Posted by: Naive | Aug 25 2024 22:22 utc | 94
@ LightYearsFromHome | Aug 25 2024 22:12 utc | 92
RF has not executed a single military action according to any kind of arbitrary/holiday calendar, not one. The only political action of this kind was made during orthodox christmas 2023, an offer for a short ceasefire, a simple internal political move. Some might call this a practical and professional approach.
So-called-ukraine and their handlers are those who warn of “inevitable Russian something-or-other” or announcing “Russia’s failure to do-a-thing in time” for holidays and anniversaries to exploit PR.
It is, in fact, so-called-ukraine and NATO who pick local holidays for indiscriminate strikes on civilians.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 25 2024 22:25 utc | 95
Disagree. If he doesn’t comply, there is nothing they can do. Only him and his brother know about the encryption. They already anticipated this (telegram) measures are already in place
Posted by: Smith | Aug 25 2024 21:07 utc | 79
And the encryption can be changed. Time for the Russians to build their own message platform.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 25 2024 22:26 utc | 96
Posted by: boneless | Aug 25 2024 22:25 utc | 95
Quite right! Symbols are only useful for the PR propaganda.
Posted by: Naive | Aug 25 2024 22:28 utc | 97
Now let’s see what is happening when no one replies to a troll… LOL
Posted by: Naive | Aug 25 2024 22:29 utc | 98
Down South@1629
These moves of high-level radar systems in a part of Romania bordering on the contested lands may be the straw which breaks the back of Russian hesitancy in directing some energy into removing that threat. The Romanians are playing with fire and may not realize that that Rule 5 NATO ‘doctrine” may not suffice to keep them safe from retaliation.
With little Macaroni’s French forces added to the equation; it may be possible for the R.U. to demand instant release of the owner of Telegram. If such a scenario is not in contemplation; then the Rottenchild owned president of France may be faced with “what to do now.”
Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 25 2024 22:34 utc | 99